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Hi all,

I am doing some research for a Bitcoin company that is interested with developing a hardware wallet to see if it has a viable market. Trezor has some traction, but perhaps only in the existing Bitcoin community. With things like Multi-sig popping up everywhere, do you think this negates some of the pressing need for Hardware wallets? Interested to hear your thoughts.

I wish trezor had an android app and came with an otg cable

Seems there is room in the market for more hardware wallets, at least to me.

Yes there is huge market as most Bitcoiners will buy one sonner or later. But I guess most will need just one, and Trezor is already available now so if Trezor will be able to manufacture enought to fill the high demmand this year, you missed the biggest boom I guess

I'd buy one but would need to feel it is safe and secure because otherwise what's the point?

Thanks for the feedback guys! So what would be some of the features you'd like to see in a hardware wallet? I assume any competitor would need to have the code Open Source'd like Trezor, perhaps bluetooth? Support for altcoins?

Most important is plug and play on any computer without user action like installing drivers, if it can be done with bluetooth, why not, but USB has every computer and bluetooth only some computers.

The most important function is security though

Bluetooth would decrease the security, because anyone with bluetooth could try to crack the wallet, while with USB one would need physically contact.

Also I think it would increase the energy comsumption and the price. 

Hardware wallets are much safer than anything else I can think of.

If the price is decent, yes. I likely wouldn't shell out a couple hundred bucks for a hardware wallet unless more brick and mortar shops started accepting BTC... And I have a mobile wallet anyways (Bread) which is secure enough storing enough money to go shopping with anyways. So likely no, if its sub $100, maybe depending on its appearance  ;D

Alts would be interesting.. But how do you decide which one?

Yes, but it deppends on the features, the price and if the wallet might be adaptaded to use with other coins

Yes I would buy one. Why not? Safety and peace of mind are worth the money.

But people buying iphones because of...? They are small actually simple and cost way more than a Trezor...
There are enought people with several hundreds of bitcoins and 130$ isnt really much compared to that.

I would buy one if it convinces me that the device is secure and easy to use.

I would buy it if it were affordable and really well made

Hardware wallets are the future.  I love my Trezor, but it's not perfect.

The perfect HW wallet to me, would be credit card sized, with an e-ink display, keypad, and RFID.

It would be powered by the RFID, and you can stick it to the back of your smartphone.  Whenever you stage a payment on your phone, you turn your phone around, and type in your pin. The card would then sign the transaction, and hand back control to the phone.

It would also work on shop terminals, so payment would be as easy as holding the card over the shops terminal, and keying in the pin (or or not, if the transaction value was small).

It would also be your key to online sites.  Put your phone/card onto a USB RFID reader plugged into your laptop/computer.

If the device comes with more or better security features for my bitcoins than trezor, then yes i would buy it.

Yes if the hardware wallet is really secure, and not too expansive..

I would buy one if there was a standard, so it worked with more than one wallet software. There need to be support for Android as well, so some sort of rfid is probably needed. Perhaps take a look at the yubikey neo hardware for inspiration?

Yes, yes I would  ;D

No. I'm in the middle of nowhere and rarely make in-person purchases. If I bought one, I'd only use it maybe once a year on trips. I would definitely consider a USD<->BTC "on-demand convertable" debit card, though, assuming there weren't any time-based dues regardless of use.

I share this sentiment although I'd probably purchase a hardware wallet for the novelty. At this stage I barely make any purchases in-person using bitcoin so it wouldn't get a lot of use.

And your second sentense tell why bluetooth is not an option - not secure.

Online wallet are not so secure. There is always a chance of being hacked. That's why i think hardware wallet are really secure.

I believe i would love to see a hardware wallet with GPS tracking in case you lose the hardware wallet you can find it easy with a beep it, come on guys get more inventive!!!!

No, never.
I travel a lot and I don't want to carry any additional device besides my laptop and my tablet.
I believe it's one of BTC's greatest asset that it's immaterial. I don't want to change that.

True.

Btw, it may not make sense to buy a Trezor to keep your 0.1 btc safe, but what if you have 100 btc? ;)

It is not safe that trezor stores recovery seed online.
trust yourself only and create paper wallets. if you need to spend BTC offline then use Electrum to broadcast transactions from offline pc.

I think Hardware wallet would be more believable security wise so chances are that there is a good market for this.

i would buy 1 but in my country the price is too high

Yes, I'd buy one. But what would you have that trezor hasn't already done?

I also like the idea of eventually using trezor for other things, etc. password manager.

Of course I would buy if of without further thinking,anything goes off that's related to security and bitcoin preservation is worth trying

Definitively if it cost around USD 30. Keep it very simple but secure. Hardware transaction signing is necessary given how much people computers are infected, without it Bitcoin cannot be adopted to the masses

It's still interesting security wise to make one part of the signature harder to steal, if the wallet is cheap enough - this is actually a good use case for our upcoming smartcard based wallet which will be demonstrated at launch with a multisig wallet partner.

Would that be a smartcard based wallet with a display like the trezor so that we can visually validate the transaction?

^  Agree. I would buy one for sure as soon as the price isn't that high and ofcourse the wallet has to be very secure.

And, it has to be easy to manage it.  I'm sure more of these devices will be developed soon as appearently there's definately interest for these products.

Would consider that. But really deppends on price, uses I can have for it, secure, etc...

No, it's only a smartcard, so it has no display - however it can "type" a summary of the transaction as a keyboard, acting as a different second factor validation - for more details, check https://hardwarewallet.com/ ("Application Security") or https://btchip.github.io/btchip-doc/bitcoin-technical.html#_user_validation ("User validation") for a more technical explanation.

Ah. My bank's 2fa token is an EMV card that also has a ~ 14 key keypad, a display and a built-in battery so I figured it ought to be possible in a standard smartcard form factor.

If I were to buy a hardware wallet, it would be to protect me if my computer is compromised. The use case where the wallet is stolen and I need to protect against brute force attacks doesn't seem too important, because $5 wrench attack. I'm not really keen on buying a hardware wallet if it doesn't fully cover the case where my computer is compromised.

I guess your solution should be much cheaper than trezor though.

it's possible, just a bit more work (and money, of course). I'm calling that a display card, not a smartcard though, but probably only because I'm too pedantic :)


this second factor scheme protects you well enough if your computer is compromised, in my opinion. Feel free to discuss why you think it doesn't by PM if necessary  :)


yep, "much" sums it up pretty well.

I'd buy if it is secure and easy to use

are there any alternatives but trezor ?

I've only read many messages about Trezor. Not sure whether there are reliable alternatives yet, but I'm sure they'll be developed otherwise. 

I think Trezor already is a great device, but the current price of $119 is a bit too high for me. However, if you own many BTC and do pay with BTC offline, I don't think the price of a Trezor is too high then for you.

Of course alongwith me many people are gonna buy it security concern has been increasing day by day.People are more and more worried about storing their coins somewhere safely

I really need such a hardware wallet which can be used like USB KEY.

Very intresting in  hardwere wallet

I would if they offer some advanced security features.

Did you guys see that btchip has started to ship their smartcard-based wallet?

See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134999.0 or https://buy.hardwarewallet.com/

i would never buy a hardware wallet. why would you buy something
that's not secured enough like your own wallet in your pocket. there are always good hackers i don't trust a hardware wallet.

Yes I would do this because I must say that its pretty safe and nice altrough I maybe would make one by myself because I think some hardware wallets are not trusted in my eyes.

I would buy if have big amount of btc like 10000 btc but if i dont have i just use blockchain wallet..

Yes I would love to buy one because such a wallet is pretty secure and I would also feel safe to use instead of a normal
Hardware are almost not hackable, are they even hackable ??

i guess yea i mean web wallets are not secure
and i cannot just print out paper wallets every single time

Buying one would be pretty nice, I think a lot of people will also buy this to be honest, and I also like this idea.
They are good secured mostly and also easy.

If I didn't already have a hardware wallet, I would buy one right away.  I have a Ledger nano and love the thing!  I can't believe it took me so long to buy one.  I think a hardware wallet still has a huge market, even with multi-sig.  It's so much easier to be able to just plug in a secure device and spend your bitcoin.  A hardware wallet must be portable and easy to use.  I love how small the Ledger nano is and how well it works with my phone via OTG cable.

Good idea to initiate hard wallet for better security and comfortable used. i think the problem is still about price of that wallet,i'm sure people more like to choose online wallet with free registration,because trezor is still expensive for some people,can you give us free hardware wallet? :D

Of course , if I have more money to buy that hardwere wallet. And also when i have a lot of bitcoin to save my bitcoin into hardware wallet. I said that because in my own wallet still a little bit amount of bitcoin.

I agree, I also would like to do this because its very safe and I think its just cool to have such a wallet.
Hardware wallets are just pretty safe.

Yes I would buy one!

The case bitcoin wallet (https://choosecase.com/) or the trezor is a good option for a hardware wallet I have been wanting to buy one for along time now, but its a bit expensive!

Paper wallets are a free alternative!

i will never buy a hardware wallet only because it's not secured enough.
not even secure enough to convince me for using it.

I finally gave in and bought a HW.1 just last week... I wonder how i lived without it :)
It keeps my private keys as safe as using a paper wallet, while i can still use it without completely sweeping it and making a new one.  ;D

Why do you think they aren't secure?  What method do you use to store your bitcoin, that isn't a hardware wallet, and is secure?



I know, aren't they great!?  I couldn't believe it took me so long to finally buy one.  They are so cheap too.  It was the best bitcoin investment I have made for sure.

They're the best... I used to use an android wallet to keep pocket change, electrum to keep a couple hundred dollars worth of BTC and paper wallets to store my main funds... Paper wallets are great, but you have to keep on making them, sweeping them, trashing them,... In the end, it's a big hassle. Now, i've invested a lousy 18 bucks, and i'll never have to reboot with a live cd, unpack bitaddress, generate wallets, put them on a usb, print them, erase the usb,... Just pop in the stick, open the client and transfer  ;D

I must say that I really would like a hardware wallet to be honest, I think its pretty safe compared to a normal wallet its much safer for sure, I really have no doubts about buying this.

hardware wallet are expensive

The ledger HW.1 costs 18 bucks, postage included... I think that shouldn't be to expensive ;)

I would not buy it till the expansion of bitcoin and the proliferation of hacker attacks to the regular users. I think it is reasonably secure to hold wallets just in your pc right now.

I most likely will although I heard some good and bad things about it and I also heard its bad in some cases but I honestly would not care.
Its still much safer than a normal wallet.

I would not buy it till using bitcoin in our country will be same legal as cash.
I needn't evidence that I use Bitcoin or other e-currencies, while this can be used against me.
HW wallet hard to hide or destroy quickly  ::)

Which country are you from? Most countries i know off don't seem to care about bitcoin, as long as you pay taxes on your deals :)

Russia, Ukraine, no matter, same law problems.
If you just use emoney to pay few times a month few dollars - nobody cares.
But if you use e-currencies in your business - take care of yourself.
I'm use them about 12 years, and, believe me, it was better, when most clerks don't know what is wm (btc etc.).
Now they know, but in their heads it's synonym of money laundering, unpaid taxes etc. No restrictions against BTC, WM directly yet (but in process). But small business has laws that say: you can accept cash and wire transfers only. Big companies has more complex laws and more tax audit too.

I don't think i would buy a hardware wallet because it isn't secured enough.
That's why i don't want a hardware wallet every hacker can steal your coins and you are
not able to get them back because you don't have any warranty on your coins.

I'm sorry, but are you talking about a hardware wallet? Why wouldn't they be secure?
With a hardware wallet, your private keys are not accessible from the web, nor from a pc. They are stored on the hardware wallet itself, i think that's pretty secure. Worst thing that can happen is one of those virusses that replaces the address you want to send coins to when you copy/paste it from a mail or a website. But this risk is equally big with any kind of transaction you want to generate, so you always have to double-check.

I don't have any idea to buy a hardware wallet and it's not available in my place. And I'll give it a try if I found more merchants in my area.

Could you share your country/continent and payment options? A couple of those vendors deliver worldwide, some accept BTC, others also accept different payment options like PP.

Indeed, maybe you can and I also can recommend you this because its very secure and also very easy.
I in the overall experience think its a okay thing to invest in.

I'm from North India, Tamil nadu and this is my area pin code: 606402.

Actually I don't have idea to buy right now, may be near in future as I didn't use Bitcoin much right now.umm. I also read about hardware wallets, I may try them later.

If you ever decide to buy one, i just looked it up, and those ledgers are even cheaper when you buy them from India... Very strange, i payed more for a ledger sent within the EU as you would have to pay to get it shipped from the EU to india.

Its in my opinion very secure if you ask me because its offline, no hacker can achieve it to hack something that is offline...
A hardware is in my opinion pretty good to be honest.

That's true its secure and its offline, no hacker that hacked your hardware wallet. But also the thing is,
What if you lost your hardwallet? What if someone stole it to you? All things have its different disadvantage, it will be good depending the one that will use it.

Nothing is possible for hackers even its a hardwarewallet but its less risk.. if you hardware wallet target by hackers it can be possible to hack unless you are not using internet.. and all of your bitcoin transaction are offline..

that's good idea,OTG cable is good solution for people who have big capacity of data,and if hardware wallet support with otg cable,i think its will have higher price,because otg cable will give us benefit to only bring smartphone and Trezor without bring laptop or computer. lets wait until hardware wallet have that feature.

I must say that I would consider to buy a hardware wallet because I heard that a hardware wallet is pretty secure.
This is because of the fact its a offline wallet and cannot almost not get hacked..

Hardware wallet or online wallet, they have both disadvantages and advantages it will just depend on the
user of bitcoin of how he will going to take care of his hard earned bitcoins.

True, completely true, but i do think it's the community's task to educate new users about the advantages and disadvantages of different types of wallets.
I'd never recommend an online wallet, so i try to give all the pro's and con's about these kinds of online wallets (pro = easy accessible and small learning curve; con = you don't have your private keys with you, so you're basically not in controll of your coins). In the end it's still the user's choice.

I would consider to buy one, I back in the days already thought about it but I never done it.
I think its pretty safe and also pretty nice.

I would never buy a hardware wallet because i don't trust them why would i give them my coins
and never be sure if their secured enough. I'm just using my own pc to store them don't use the wallets.

NO not even a hardware wallet secured by my self. Because i dont trust my money on the internet.
Every good hacker can steal your coins is they want to trust me they're no where save in wallets.

for now I do not need it, I think blockchain is for bitcoin wallet is perfect for me, apart from that I also put it on android that I had, so I feel like it has a hardware wallet :)

I maybe consider doing it but some people are saying its not safe at all and other people are saying again its very safe.
So I'm doubting about it to be honest I maybe will consider this in the future..

A hardware wallet is okay, but I do not want it, I like a paper wallet much more and that is also why I would never buy a hardware wallet.
I consider hardware wallets as safe but they can still get a sort of hacked.

I think it's not save enough to buy a hardware wallet. I want to manage my own coins and
not let it do by a hardware wallet. I don't trust internet anymore these days want to manage my own moneys.

No i think i would never use or buy a hardware wallet because who is looking after my coins
when i put them in that wallet. Don't trust that idea at all so i will secure my bitcoins by my self.

definitely i would if it is affordable.  especially if it is an external one.  Just connect it when needed.  the better if it can be connected to any device with locking security.   

I would never buy a hardware wallet because i already did and i can tell you don´t be to sure witch one you´re
going for. Because there are allot who just want to get your coins and don´t give something about you and the way you get your coins. be careful

There are allot of places where you can buy a hard ware wallet but don´t trust them all. There are allot of
providers who just want to steal your coins instead of storing them into their wallets. so be careful witch one you want to use.

Probably I would buy a hardware wallet not now but later. Currently I don't have any plan to buy one because, I didn't use much Bitcoin.

No i would never buy a hardware wallet thats why people are getting rid of their coins read the forums about the hard ware wallet no one is talking good things about it. There are only a couple of wallets who are save enough to use to be careful witch one you want to trust.

I would not buy any hardware wallet. because I think I am satisfied with online wallet.. may be I'll buy an hardware wallet in future but right now I am Ok with my current wallet because I don't have much money..

Lol don't worry I think you can buy hardware wallet as well If you saved some Bitcoin means,  I have checked in Google regarding this bro. Price is little high only and hardware wallets are released in many countries especially in China, Greece, France, Germany and US.

You can be okay with a online wallet but you also have to keep in mind about the security of it.
A paper wallet as a example is way safer than online wallets and a hardware is also safer than it.

Yes a hardware wallet is way safer than a online wallet so I would recommend you to buy a hardware wallet or a paper wallet, it would be much better for yourself.

I have purchased a ledger wallet and i am waiting to receive it, i think to move there and see how much easier, faster, and safer is it comparing with online wallets. So my answer yes i would buy a hardware wallet.

Yes ,but if i have money to buy ,because i have a friend that use a hardware wallet it is safer than a online wallet even when PC or the one who manage online wallet crash the bitcoin have a chnace to loose but on a hardware it is safe except the hardware will broke.

I maybe would consider it because a hardware wallet can be very good secured but it depends if I really need it, I already have a paper wallet and I'm happy with it.

Now hardware wallet is safer than online because almost of stealer of bitcoin money now is in the online world so it is safer now if i have hardware wallet because now in my place few people only knew about bitcoin and even stealer dont know that it is money so it would be safer than online wallet.

For me, the most important thing is security more than anything else. If your hardware offers excellent security service, I think people will come and buy your product. Additional features are just icing on the cake. Good luck! :)

Indeed security is very important no doubt about that, I think a hardware wallet is pretty safe for it because the fact is that its offline.
I really would consider this for sure.

I have one bitcoin hardware wallet but i dont tried to use it because i heard allot of storys that everyone can get in and other shit. So i am scared to use it would it be secured enough to use it or will others take my coins.

Online wallets had given me increased security and I don't have long time holding plan, so I don't go for a hardware wallet. One who has the plan to just hold for users could use those wallet.

I find hardware wallets good only if you have really huge amount of bitcoins and want to keep them safe.
And even then I don't think properly secured software wallet (I would recommend Armory here) is worse in terms of security than Trezor.
You want to remember that Armory is free, hardware wallets are not.

My pi worked perfectly for me. Offline with a watch-only set up on my desktop. But to be honest though lads - just writing down the seed or keys is enough to keep your coins safe. Keep spare change on your computer and its all good.

Heres the thing with hardware wallet.

You gotta ask if the same security is used in other providers that offer the same.

I was thinking about this yesterday after reading several bookmarked threads - outside from the debate from being total "offline" and eventually it would have to be sent to a hotwallet unless you just plan to let it sit there forever.

So after answering that question, you got several options after knowing ledgers hardware wallet cost small entry for like $44 or something off amazon or a bit more from their actual website.

But heres what I learned after knowing the co-author person who wrote the bi39 with trezors hardware wallet. Is the same person who made breadwallet which uses the same level of security provided on the trevors hardware wallet.

Conclusion: I save myself and downloaded breadwallet basically. Outside from the physical theft all that, theres too much variables the person has to go through - which is where also the bi39 or 38 comes into play with the encryption since its on the "network" not on the phone itself.

Also this depends on your lifestyle, but the odds of someone point a gun to my head saying enter the keyphrase is very slim. Which I can only imagine that would be the only way to brute force the actual security.

If its on a website based, which most are .. youre hoping the website provider stays online at all times.

Lets say there was a attack on the server side not displaying the website itself and you needed to access the coins? okay, lets say you do bare with it, but noticed they released what happened and they say there was a backdoor made from a rogue employee to had access to their wallet.

The scenario I just talked about has happened on several exchanges.

no i never want to buy a hardware wallet because the hardware wallets are to easy to scam. There are to many of them on the internet and they are not even secured enough to keep your coins save so dont use them at all store your own coins.

I think you can better buy one for sure due to the fact online wallets can be hacked due to the fact its online.
With a hardware wallet its offline and very safe compared with online wallets.

Hope someone can come up with a thumb drive size and of course not plug & play.

I don't plan also to buy a hardware wallet, but I'm not thinking that it is easy to be scammed but I'm thinking on losing it.
If I lost it accidentally , the btc that I have there will also be lost forever.

This is already done, if you look what I wrote.

I mention in my sentence of ledgerwallets hardware which is the cheapest one out there in a usb form - using the smart chip.

yes i'll buy it. i hope it more securable than software, but how if its broken?  :'(

I would maybe consider to buy a hardware wallet but the fact is that I love a paper wallet more and its also cheaper right ?

Its cheaper indeed but a hardware wallet is also offline and pretty nice to have, these days they are also way more cheaper than before on all kind of websites.

Nope, I prefer online wallet because I can access it at any time

Hardware wallets are okay but I also prefer online wallets above hardware wallets because they are simply much easier.

Yeah I find it also good, but of course we used to use the online wallets since we don't have to bring it and it is secured with the bitcoin
wallet provider, and the disadvantage of it , is you will need to spend for it to buy it. Simply not moving your btc in your btc wallet is way
better than storing it to hardware wallet with the same purpose.

Yes! I would definitely buy hardware bitcoin wallet. I find them safe and secure. I could keep it the way I want. Unlike online wallets, I do not even know where they are keeping my bitcoins. With hardware wallets, I can have full control with my own money. :)

Online are easier but keep in mind they are also do not have the best security compared with offline wallets.
If you want a very secured wallet use a paper wallet or a hardware wallet could also be used.

I guess I do not want to buy hardware wallet for now, I guess blockchain is enough to store the bitcoin I had, I felt safe for storing bitcoin in the wallet

That's what I'm always saying that it depends to the people who are using it and on how they are using wallets. Well for me, also I'm not going
to buy hardware as I'm already contented in using blockchain.info also.
I'm also confident that blockchain has a good security for our bitcoins stored there.

THe blockchain is pretty safe but if you have a large amount of bitcoins even the bitcoin is not safe enough.
I recommend you to take a paper wallet or hardware wallet if you have a large amount!

Why would i?, while paper wallets are already available. Paper is much more safer than a usb wallet and it is free. As long as you aren't a billionere (which you aren't) you don't need a class 1, highest quality, the most secure hardware wallet. It is not for people holding a couple btc's but hundreds of them. I can't help but thinking, even if got 1000btc right now, i would still use a paper wallet. As long as nobody knows you have that amount, you are safe anyway. Hardware wallet won't protect you if you have a gun pointing at you.

No because we have free wallet provider here and it's user friendly it has many features like buying load, paying utility bills and even this new buy steam items and mol points our wallet provider here is really great they make their costumers life convenient and we can do easy cash out even if we don't have ATM card and we don't need to buy harder wallet because their are free wallet and convenient in my country.

This is a good question. I never used hardware wallets, and I am still wondering what will happen if it broken.. but I think there must be a solution for this . they must provide private keys of hardware wallet's addresses. if it broke by chance then we can recover our wallet.

if we want to save a lot of bitcoin, and bitcoin we want to make sure it's secure carry around. then the hardware wallet is the right choice. wallet hardware provides more security, especially fingerprint access in order to access our wallet account.

Hardware wallets are okay but I still prefer paper wallets above it so I think I would not buy one to be honest.
Maybe if they are really good I will do this in the future.

Since I still can use online wallet, I better use it since it easy to manage rather than I spend to purchase hardware wallet which has expensive price. Ofcourse higher price provide better safety but I'm just looking for simplicity

Hardware wallets are offline so they are safe but the most people are going for 100% security so they will not pick a hardware wallet but instead they will take a paper wallet most of the times.

I think paper wallet is dangerous wherr yoy put your money is its because if you accidentally delete your files well i think you will be broke if that happen, well i can say blockchain is the very best and ideal where to put your bitcoin and you can assure your bitcoins are quitely sleeping safely thats why many people prefer to use it because it has strong feature that even pro hacker cannot broke, and i dont really want to put my btc in some hardware wallet becausr it is not flexible and convenient to use,

I would never call blockchain.info safe, do a quick google: https://www.google.com/search?q=blockchain+account+hacked you'll see dozens of people that lost their coins that were stored on a blockchain.info wallet
A hardware wallet might not be the most flexible, but at least your coins are safe... If you google https://www.google.com/search?q=trezor+wallet+hacked you'll see a lot of people asking questions about trezor's safety, but i couldn't see a single one proving his funds got stolen from a trezor.

In the end, it's up to you... If you want an online wallet that can be used from any computer or phone that has internet connection, and you're willing to give up some of the security, that's fine (as long as you know the risks you take).
On the other hand, if you want the best protection, and you're willing to give up some flexibility, you should go for a hardware or paper wallet.

Just my tought tough.

Buying an hardware wallet really does cost you money, but there are people considering to buy it, since they afford to buy it and the usage of
it makes them comfortable. But for me, I wouldn't buy one, since wallet address are enough for me to store my bitcoins.

Ooops sorry,  can I ask for the website so I can get infos for that there?

I would not buy one because I still think a paper wallet is way better and its also that its easier in my opinion.
Overall people are also saying a hardware wallet can still be hacked ??

No I would never buy a hardware wallet, I do not like them and they are sometimes even very expensive and that is also what I do not like about it at all to be honest.
I think that hardware wallets are safe but right now still pricey.

Yeah mate. why should we spend some money to buy a wallet when we have lots of free wallets here..
I don't think I need to buy a hardware wallet at this time when I don't have much btc, it may be safer than a online wallet. and may I buy one if I have huge amount of btc. but right now the online wallet is perfect for me.

Me also, I don't prefer buying an hardware wallet, it is hard for it to manage. And if your hardware wallet will be stolen, your bitcoin there will also
lost forever. That's why I prefer to use online wallet rather than hardware wallet. And tendency of being lost of hardware wallet once you forgot where
you have put it, is also there.

yes its will be better and great if Trezor as best bitcoin hardware wallet can operate on android operating system,and have OTG cable,and then they should put IoS on list,so people will more easy to access trezor wherever they go.

I haven't heard about that trezor, but base on your feedback on it, maybe it is the best bitcoin hardware wallet. But if it will be put on the an android
app, maybe it is now like an online wallet address, so no difference between online wallet address, this is just only my thought.

I must say if this would happen I would buy it, it would be so nice if it has this, maybe in the future they will add it you never know it of course.

Ledger wallet also offers the same otg cable as well.

So you can sync and do the same once you dl their app. All the difference is peoples experience on the cost really just my view.

hm... As for me, i will say no to hardware wallet. I do have cheap android phone which i make it as my cold store for my bitcoin wallet. As for the hot one... the free wallet should be enough. I usually hot store my bitcoin in my exchanger wallet.

Yeah2... not so much there..

If they make hardware wallet like credit card or something, i will consider it. The only thing that hard for me to forget where i put it is my wallet. Seem ppl talk a lot about Trezor but idk. Kinda pricey.

But i think we already have something like debit card for bitcoin or something. do they?

no too expensive, i like cheap usb, they do the same thing if your pc is safe

Yes, because this is a good investmwnt that is very useful specially if online bitcoin wallets breaks down .it is the safest hardqare to store bitcoins. But i can only buy it .if i have save the right amount to buy one.

Hardware wallets, for me, are the safest and securest way to keep your bitcoin. You can bring it anywhere you want. The only thing to keep in my mind is to not to lose it.

You can check hardware wallets I recommend here: http://www.bitcoineverything.net/the-most-definitive-post-on-bitcoin-wallets/

I'm already having a wallet and I think a paper wallet is better due to this I would not buy a hardware wallet.
I think its not worth it at the moment.

It depends on how you are going to use, there are certain people prefer to use hardware wallet because they see it as a good secured storage
for their bitcoins. But also there are people doesn't really care at all regarding this matter when there is money involve.
Only few people wants to try using it.

Actually ledger wallets are not so expensive,35$ is a very good price for what they offer i have one and i am very satisfied.
Online wallets are good for payments etc. but i would never trust them my bitcoins.

I would not really... I would just use a paper wallet or a offline USB stick instead of using those complicated hardware wallets. IMO there is seriously no point other than to show off with them.

Paper wallets and physical bitcoins should be the most secure, since they are completely offline before you redeem them.

agreed,bluetooth might not on every computer,but i think bluetooth have good function for private file transafer,imagine if we can share file from bluetooth without switch internet connection on. yes i agree,the most important is security function,but also the price will matter for some people,its must be equal with security,good price should mean good security.

For now i dont think i will ever buy or even use a bitcoin wallet at all. That is only because there are allot of people who are just after your coins. And that is so sad the coin is totally not secured at all so dont think i will use wallets.

I would definitely buy a hardware wallet, a cheaper one like the Ledger HW1 and if I am comfortable with it will then go and pass to the Trezor which is more well known, however the Ledger does its job pretty neatly.
When I will reach over 5 Bitcoins I will buy one, its only 60 USD including shipping everywhere in europe from Ebay. It costs more if you buy it from the official website.

However with a lot of multisignature wallets coming out as you say, the market share of these kind of wallets will go down, and it does not look like a healthy market where to invest and creating a new one, unless you overtake all the competition (almost impossible in my opinion that you do that).

Nope, or at least not yet.
For my current amounts and needs, current software wallets and paper wallets are fine.

I think it is still safe to use bitcoin wallets, unless you are going to show publicly how much your wallet has. Of course the security measures
depends on how you are going to hide your identity and your bitcoin wallet, it's our own role for keeping it safe, and with block chain I think it is safe, that's why I don't prefer to buy hardware wallet.

i think i  would never use or even buy a hardware wallet becasue there are many people who says that there are to many scammers around the wallets who can steal your coins.

If you don't feel safe with wallets, and don't using wallet don't even use in future, then what are you doing to safe and store your coins right now? I can see you are in a signature campaign. then how you'll get paid?
do you immediately cash out your btc when you get payment from anywhere?
let me say that this is not a cool idea. bitcoin is not safe 100% but hacking margin is not that high as you thinking.
I think you don't know much about halving and it's benefit.. you should store your coins for halving and take advantage of it..
stealing btc is happening with 2 person out of 1000, it is not that unsafe. and if you use the right security options and use right wallet you'll be safe for sure.

You have no idea what youre talking about i see.  Have fun spamming FUD for a few cents of btc which i will assume you store on an online wallet before cashing out.

Sigh.

Im considering trezor at this point.  The price and the fact they accept btc are factors.

Yes I think I would buy a hardware wallet because it has a lot of advantages if you ask me, its safe and also offline and due to that fact is very safe.

It has advantages but the only downside is that they can be pretty expensive these days and that makes it in my eyes not worth it compared with a paper wallet that is also offline and easy to make.

Ledger wallet is pretty good too.

i would never buy a hardware wallet it is not trusted there are allot of people who lost their coins trough a bitcoin hardware wallet and that is very bad. that have something to say about the security of the bitcoin.

There are so many hardwares bitcoin wallets on the market witch one is the best to use i dont know. There are allot who just want to scam you so witch one can i trust>?

I never want to buy a bitcoin wallet and that is only because there are to many people getting scammed with that supid wallet i dont trust my coins into the hands of a hardware wallet so i dont want to use it so i wont not buy it.

You cannot really get scammed with a hardware wallet so I honestly do not know what you are talking.
I also never thought about it to be honest but this is because I love my paper wallet.

If you're a true bitcoiner, you will have one.
If you have over $100 in bitcoin, You should definitely have one.
If you trade in bitcoin, you should definitely have one.

A hardware wallet is becoming a necessity for all your traders and bitcoin users out there. It's basically a simplified e storage/air gap. You can't get through it. That's what you need with bitcoin.

Well I guess, even your a true bitcoiner if you are already contented using bitcoin wallets online. Then for sure you doesn't need it either.
It is not a basis that you are a true bitcoiner if you have an hardware wallet.
How about those people that doesn't see the convenience of having it.

I will as soon they make some easy to use, full security and under 20$...
BTC hardware wallet need mass adaption asap

I'm having ideas right now. I'm an ARM/Android dev.

Anyone else interested in developing a <$20 hardware wallet?

They already have awesome security. Easy to use? they really could not make them any easier in my opinion, what would you recommend as you have obviously used them and found them difficult? As for the price, trezor can cost average joe a few bucks but the ledger nano has very nice security and is less than 50 euro, if I remember I paid 35 euro for mine.

while i can use the wallet in the pc and online, I guess not intend to buy hardware wallet because it certainly would just be a waste of our money. Thank you

Yeah that's what I'm considering too, why do I need to buy for an hardware wallet if I am benefiting from using an online wallet.
And I may just use the money for buying an hardware wallet in other important things.

I just found this. I might pick one up. https://www.ledgerwallet.com/products/3-ledger-hw-1
Costs more or less US$16 (15 EUR).

yes agreed with you,its not important for me or you to buy hardware wallet for now,if we feel comfort and secure to use online or free wallet,its should be enough,and i will not make higher cost for my bitcoin devices.

You just found this? I've owned my Ledger Electrum edition for more than a year now, and it's been awesome.
If you want, buy the nano. The HW1 is the exact same, but the physical thing itself feels incomplete, if I may.

lol yeah, I just found that. I don't really use any wallet until I have the need to spend. If I do, I just use Blockchain.info

I've bought a trezor wallet when they had a promotion last time, and i have to say it is a must have.
Having your bitcoins secured gives you a very big relievement. With the price going up a few bitcoins will be interesting for hackers to hack.

But in hardware wallet there is also a risk, like the possibility of losing it and you are going to misplace it.
So you just need to be careful even you are going to use hardware wallet, still it is not secured and safe, it will just depend on how you are going to use it.

Hardware wallets are okay but because I already have a good secured paper wallet, I do not think its needed for me.

Having the same thing, I love my paper wallet so why would I step over or take another wallet, I just do not think its worth it.
I also think hardware wallets are still not proven to be very good.

Yeah,  I think hard wallets are good. But why you need to use that if you already have online bitcoin wallets, then why you need to use other wallets?
But it is still depending on how you really want to secure your bitcoins.

Would recommend a Trezor 10 times out of time

iwould never buy a hardware wallet because there are to many people who are not happy with it and they are also scammed some of them so i dont think it is verry useful to take a bitcoin wallet.....

Well if you can avail to buy a trezor then go for it, but if not, then better to stay with an online wallet.
It is also secured as an hardware wallet is. You just need to maximize the use of it.

I just finally bought a Trezor wallet.  I've had a Ledger Nano for a while now and really like it, but I wanted the convenience/security of having a screen on my wallet, and the real reason why I finally got one was because of the new Password management feature.  It is great to have a hardware password manager that is also a secure bitcoin wallet.

It seems to me like you could do the same with a portable SPV wallet on a USB stick...

No i never want to buy a bitcoin wallet and that is only because there are to many scammers around the bitcoin wallets i dont trust them all. so im using my own builded wallet.

i have no idea about it and even hearing about it for the first time. so i think i should first get information about it then i will think about either it is so safe or not. only then i will take the decission.

A lot of people are saying this and I must say that its true, why buying a hardware wallet what can be pretty expensive if you got a paper wallet and a online wallet right ?

Paper wallets are in my eyes better due to this I think hardware wallets are not needed because of this.
Its of course just a opinion of my but I think more people are thinking this.

Hard wallet, online wallet and paper wallet. As for me, I'm going to choose two, paper wallet and online wallet. I think hardware wallet and online
wallet are almost the same , the thing is you need to spend money for buying it.
Unlike online wallet, it is free.

So you mean. They issue ATM card..? For bitcoins.?

No I would never buy a hardware wallet because I already have a paper wallet and I'm pretty happy with it so for me its not necessarily these days.

I like my paper wallets, but they are for my truly cold storage "coins don't leave here" wallet. For something that I would want to store a large amount of value on, but still spend, id spring for the hardware wallet. They need to get a little cheaper before I bite howevr, lol.

I dont think so. I think there is still plenty space for new hardware wallets. Getting a more competitive price is good for customers. I think you could still compete with other companies if you offer a nice design. I dont know why people dont make custom designed hardware wallets like fantasy themed. I wouldn't mind having a skull shaped wallet or a dragons head. That would be awesome. 

In my case i dont reallt need those one since i dont really a fan of storing huge amount or staking them for so long since i regularly/weekly or even monthly sell my bitcoins since i need some spare allowance to be used and i think those people who needs hardware wallets are those company or rich one who have businesses that needs their bitcoin to be safe sleeping and that is good and ideal for them not for small players.

Hardware wallet is good if you have  huge amount of bitcoin but if you have  small quantity of it it would be no need since theres an online wallet you can rely on  and also  it doesnt need  to those person who actively spent their bitcoins. Hardware wallet is for  big holders only.

I would buy a hardware wallet if  i have lost of bitcoin in my holdings but  sad to say im only gaining not more than 1btc.lol. Hardware wallets could be risky though since its prone  to accidents if you dont pay attention to it, it might be lost or stolen by someone. Hardware wallet  would be expensive as i searched the prices of it even that i cant  even afford it.

That's why you must always keep more then one back up. Always backup the .wallet file on your hardrive , hardware wallet and external or USB stick. Even keep a paper wallet copy with the full keyphrase in your safe.

Lol If you feel like that keep your hardware wallet in your bank locker and then i would suggest you to use simple desktop like bitcoin core. To make its secured is upto your concern only. Best what ever you think as safety Please try to do that.

I would literally buy one if I feel that this hardware wallet is secure and fast. I can even barely buy more of these and sell it to other investors if I want. Because this is much better than other wallets online. Online wallets can scam you but not on hardware wallets. So I would suggest that I prefer to buy Hardware wallet rather than Online wallet if this will be a secure and fast wallet and offers more options.

Well, if it makes use of bitcoin becomes easier in the real world, maybe I'll buy it, but if the price is low. you know, if you're using bitcoin in the real world it would be very cool, but it may have no effect at my place for now, because everywhere I use bitcoin is still very little is known. so, maybe this time I better save the money to buy it at the right time

I have seen hardware ledger wallets going for $100 is this a good price and why so much ? It seems over priced but I don't know maybe it costs more to make because of the features. Much more then USB stick but i know it is different technology.

Multisig just got hacked, ask BitGos automation processes.

Yes, i always do that safety precautions on some other things  that needs to keep secret passcodes, questions,keys etc.  If i have a hardware wallet then i would  definitely keep those important codes that secures my funds. Money is important to our lives in able  to survive for living and we must take care of our funds.

Hardware wallet is best if you want to store your coins safely but unless someone has more than 5-10 bitcoins,buying a hardware wallet is not feasible

Hardware wallet  would be  recommended if you have thousands or even  hundreds of bitcoin but if you only posses a little amount then dont bother to buy any hardware wallet  because it would  cost you more on buying that thing and you just put a little amount of it. Having many bitcoins would do, i would definitely buy a hardware wallet.

There are some potential risks if you buy a hardware wallet, such as losing it or even someone stole it.

Both online and hardware wallet  have potential risk of losing your bitcoin into it. Just put up to your mind the most important things to consider to be kept on a safe place like passwords,keys so that incase your account would be lost  you can retrieve it.

comparing online wallet and hardware wallet are not ideal comparison ,
compare it with paper wallet ,
hardware wallet have better security than paper wallet because when used paper wallet you must be imported to a software ,
also on hardware wallet you will not get hacked easily as you used a wallet on your pc which have a lot of viruses ,
i am planning to buy a hardware wallet later if my bitcoin investment reached 50 bitcoin or so.

Well, this time I do not need a hard wallet, because the current online wallet has been very useful to me. other than that you can download for android blockchain application you use, well, I think you can assume it is hard wallet though very far from reality. but, now I have not needed it, so I do not want to buy it for today

Its all about peoples preference if  he intended to buy a hardware wallet or not it depends  on how  helpful if he use it. Some may need a hardware wallet for those big holders of bitcoin but some may  choose online wallet rather than hardware wallet. Its depends on our decisions though.

But to be hoenst at least about hardware wallets you can ensure that they do not become hacked and you have more control

you have a point but remember  hardware wallet  have also risk on losing your bitcoins it might be lost or  corrupted and theres nothing you can do about it.  Agree you have your control on your bitcoin when its in a hardware wallet just make it sure that it is  kept  in a secure place.

That could be happen if you are lame enough upon handling your hardwares but if you really placed it on secured area well you can make sure your btc is safe but those hard wallets are for people who holds lots of thousand,millions of btc or company that needed to be secured their btc since it was an ideal place for them where they can kept securely their btc and i think blockchain wallet is enough for people who do regular daily transaction.

Hardware wallet  would be very useful for those who hold large amounts of bitcoins as you also said, they can keep them in a secure place without any harm to those coins. For me having  a huge amount in online wallet would be risky i guess rahter than  putting up in on a hardware wallet.

Lol but it's very easy for you to losing it , like you saving your btc into hardware wallets like flash disk and that is very small and can disappearing at anytime

You can lose your hardware wallet if you are careless and  didnt even aware of the risk of losing it. If your a wise person and  you put importance in your money for sure you would put it in a safe place that no one knows and with that you can sleep  comfortably without  worrying anything about your bitcoins.

Everything thing comes with the risk and benefits,so does bitcoin storage whether it is online wallet or hardware wallet.

But for buying a hardware just like waste your money because if you already have a desktop for your and you can use that to save your bitcoin and become your personal wallet and especially for using offline wallet can make your amount is more secure and why you need to buy the hardware wallet?

I definitely agree with this.
For now it is not affordable for me.
For now I am relying offline wallet

afaik hardware wallet is convenient and save from hacking to any malicious software, it is preferable to have one if it comes with a decent price and available in my country I will surely buy one of those.

For me to buy hardware wallet it need to reach some level of security, easy of use and support for some of the top alt coins as litecoin, etc

Also I need to know the way it works so it can be safe near the safety I have with paper wallet, only then I would invest 100 eur or so to it

Yeah , me too . If we're talking about security , security is number one for bitcoin . Maybe you have a ton of bitcoin in your wallet , and afraid for being hacked from unknown person i will buy hardware wallet after i have enough bitcoin and buy it.

I do have used online wallet andi think it is a good service so i am not worrying at all to buy hardware wallet. As they say that it is more safe yet i think it is more hasle in the end so i just have to believe that the online wallet i am using is trustworthy

I would never buy a hardware wallet becuase i know how un secured they are and that is not the only reason because there are so many people telling me that there coins where stolen from their wallet and dont even know what happend with it and that cant happen if you are offering wallets for money.

I would never use or buy a hardware wallet and that is only because i know what the problem is with that wallets and that is that they are not even secured enough to hold your coins it can be that someone is hacking your wallet and gone are your coins.

Yes I would do this because I must say that its pretty safe and nice altrough I maybe would make one by myself because I think some hardware wallets are not trusted in my eyes.

You can choose if you want to store your bitcoin in hardware or on your pc itself but still there are risk  also when you intend to store those bitcoins on a pc wallet because it might be got virus or  crashed, you will not know what would happen the future. All have risk to lose those bitcoins if you dont pay attention  into it.

I would never buy a bitcoin wallet and that is only because i dont trust them i know for sure that the wallets are not prepared for hackers and there are allot of good hackers who can steal your coins from your wallet.

Okay but I don't think about the future and I just think about this time. well, someone in here there is any experienced with trezors and whether can synchronize with the offline wallet? looking for answer.

All of wallets have risk even if its trezor or web wallet the only thing matters their is how could thr owner handles his wallet and what is his doings to mae it more secured, but for big holders well it is very advisable to use trezor since web wallets got some bad issues if their users got huge stored balance on their web wallet applications.

It's waste to buy a hardware wallet instead of the we make paper wallet or download one desktop wallet and you save the bitcoins in that. I think these also the safe way to hold your bitcoins.

Hardware wallets are an interesting concept, I think I'd be interested and more people probably would be too. I think if you make a poll it's kinda easier to see the response on the forum for this type of question instead of scouting trough the thread ;)

Especially for using hard wallet will be easier with auto synchronizing with wallet in your desktop. But that's right with polling will make the answer will more reliable.

Yes that would be very clever I love the idea already, I feel more save hosting my own coins instead of 3rd party. It would be nice to have a seperate wallet for going out and hosing that on a hardware wallet so if it gets stolen your networth is not gone lol

yeah they are good especially trezor, but it's still a high price for a newbie, that want to go with bitcoin for the first time, they need to lower the barrier, maybe making a low level trezor or something with less features but less expensive

For sure any newbies couldnt afford  trezor in the first place but  in newbies they wont need   a trezor since they are only earning  small amounts of money for sure. Having an online wallet or offline would do already unless if they are those newbies that are  already rich then  maybe its time to  buy hardware wallet.

i would never buy a hardware wallet. why would you buy something that's not secured enough like your own wallet in your pocket. there are always good hackers i don't trust a hardware wallet.

if the hardware wallet is really secure and the price is good
i will buy it

I would consider it because I heard its pretty safe but it can also have some risks if it as a example gets destroyed or something.
It has some nice plus points but also some down points right now.

No need to buy the bitcoin hardware wallet It's wast o money I guess because there are many options like clod storage  paper wallet and desktop wallet.
So avoid that money spending and simply use any these to secure your wallet. Because

True, using trezor would be  advisable if you hold  large amounts of bitcoin because it is somehow safe to store compared  to web wallets because the risk  on online wallets  is high compared to trezor in my own view but it really depends on a person on how  he handles  of  his money.

Buying a hardware wallet can be smart but I do not use one and also will never do this because it still has some risks.
As a example when it gets destroyed for some reason you have lost it all, I think simply for such a way its not smart to buy a hardware wallet, never planning to get one due to this..

I don't think that I need hardware wallet because probably that I will going to invest again for buying it and for me since there are online wallets which are free then I will choose it.

And if ever I will going to buy hardware wallets there is a possibility that I will going to misplace it because I can forget easily for the things that I manage to store.

They said that it is way more safer than online wallets. But since i am not gaining too much amount and i have a big trust of the company operating in my place i guess it is really not necessary since i have also have to invest money on it.

I got a trezor and i have to say it is my best bitcoin purchase to date. I am very confident about my bitcoins stored on my trezor.  Even so when I got more bitcoins on my webwallet I make sure to transfer them to my trezor wallet, because exchanges can't be trusted.

No I would not buy a hardware wallet because I think its not needed, I rather use a cold storage its safe and also better if you are asking me, a hard wallet is not good at all because it can also get stuck.
Due to that I think its not a good option for large amounts.

I got it, and I think feeling confident for using a trezor and I can use trezor with electrum at the same time. maybe if the another people will saying if that is just waste a lot of your time and money, i think that is correct but it's matching with the advantages i can got it for my amount.

If I have a lot of bitcoins then I will going to consider to buy hardware wallet beacuse this is going to secure the bitcoins that I am holding.
I just need to put it to a safe vault or a place where I can just easily find it and not going to be familiar to other people. Because this is volatile and possibly to be stolen by others.

I dont like to put all of my coins into a wallet so i dont think i would buy a hardware wallet and that is just because i know how bad the security of the wallets are.

Yes the security is not so good plus the fact is that they can get stuck and they you have the chance of losing your wallet forever.. so that is pretty sick if you are asking me.

If you guy's don't like keeping your coins in a wallet then where are you going to keep them, in your pocket or coin purse?

@ybalevia, can you provide any proof or information to back up your claim that hardware wallets have bad security?

Then where did you keep your coin, in exchanger or something else, well do you have any experience about the hardwallet coz i thought hardware wallet is safest coz you're literally make your bitcoin is offline, however there are some disadvantages of this kind of wallet, but as long as you keep your seed is safe even when you lose it or crashed it you can get your wallet back.

Seems like that just their speculation, because too many I've always heard from the old member in here if storing in the hardware wallet is better than storing in your desktop wallet or especially online wallet.  and the chance for losing your money is just caused by your fault.

I disagree that the security of the bitcoin wallet providers online has bad security at all. Do you think blockchain has a bad security? I guess you are just putting out a statement without basis but I can't blame you if you think that online wallets does have poor security. For me, I won't go to buy hardware wallet it is just going to cost me another bucks.

THeres nothing wrong in hardware wallets  because  i think the same thing  like others said  its somehow  safe compared on desktop or online but   in hardware wallet there also a risk but in minimal situations since you could  keep it  on  a safe place that no one knows but  having a hardware wallet  could be ideal if youre holding large amounts of bitcoin.

All we used in your computer or other advanced devices will certainly have the possibility for error or loss. Because all electronics have slits to be used in a bad thing. Bitcoin wallet, as well as whether what we use in store bitcoin will definitely have the possibility to lose. So, do update every day or as often as possible towards our wallet because it is one of the ways to prevent losing

No I would never do this, I prefer normal paper wallets for it instead its just way better if you are asking me.
I also do not like hardware wallets because they can get stuck.

I'm already buying a trezor and that is cost a much for my money in the pouch but after using that I can say that is very convenient for me and that is matching the value is you spend and the result you will get it for your amount and keep it always safe.

You are right the blockchain as a example has a good security but it stays a  online wallet, who knows what will happen.
With a paper wallet you are safe from hackers, a hardware wallet is okay but I would never buy it.

in my opinion it is more secure and easy to use blokchain wallet, I suggest enable all existing security to avoid incidents that we do not want

Blockchain does  have a strong  security  regarding on keeping our  bitcoins on an online wallet because the have features like blocking  a tor ip address which  usually hackers used but one thing  i could complain  about blockchain is its  transaction fee which is  somehow big compare to other wallets but still a good online wallet though. I would buy a hardware wallet if  i hold  large amounts of bitcoin.

Blockchain.info wallet is never more secure even than desktop wallets , imagine now compared with a hardware wallet. I am a proud user of the cheapest hardware wallet www.ledger.com is the website to buy it if you like and I sleep really well at night worry free that my bitcoins may mysteriously vanish just like it happens almost all the time with the web online wallets like blockchain.info .

yeah they're having security features to prevent hacker,but the thing since they're an online wallet service,then if they turn out to scam thousands of people because this service is actually owned by someone then what you can do? don't expect the security features would prevent it
even though i don't think they wanna do it because they're just a popular service and wasting the popularity such a useless thing

No I would not buy a hardware wallet these days, because its not even every secure and it can also disappear, if you are doing something wrong or as a example you lost it.
I think its not a good option for a wallet, I would not buy it.

Yes, the possibility of  being hacked or stolen funds are there since its own by someone and have access on each of the accounts being created  no matter what security feature you activated on it. but  in  blockchain.info its impossible to happen in fact  they are one of the most commonly used  online wallet as of now.

They wouldnt  destroy their reputation  just  on a penny hacking coins on  their members account. Blockchain is  famous and almost  bitcoin users  does use this  online wallet for their transactions. It not possible  that they  would commit such act for sure. Blockchain does have  strong security  i could  recommend it  to others but if you do hold large amounts of bitcoin then  it better to  buy  hardware wallet in my own opinion because  its somehow safe.

Me too I don't want to buy hardware wallets because online wallets for me are already enough to store my bitcoins and that is going to help me to save money too.

Because in buying hardware wallet you need to invest again for it. Why you need to invest one and buy it if there are some online wallets that are just being offered for free.

I too agree, investing again for storing, i prefer we wallet like coinbase or blockchain, since i don't have more than 5 btc, if i like to store more than 1000 btc for quite some period, i might think of other options to store the bitcoin

Indeed store the bitcoin takes a lot of funds and also to take care of her. I will also do so if you have a large number of the btc or perhaps greater. because it was more than enough to make me become the richest person in a short time when the price of the bitcoin moment it is undergoing a phase of very high rise

You are right about this, for low amounts its not even needed because of the fact that the blockchain as a example already has a good secured wallet.
I think that people should also more trust online wallets these days.

Well using  web wallets are  good  if you have only small amounts of bitcoin and we could really say that  because  we are  not assuring  too much our  bitcoin holdings since there few anyways but  for those how hold  huge amounts  for sure they would worry  about their funds  stored on an online wallet  thats why some  would  buy hardware wallets and store all those huge amounts of bitcoin for more security.

You have a point, hardware wallets would be only ideal if  you are  holding large amounts of bitcoin but  if  you only have small amounts then better to  store in web wallet because you would add up expense only if you  buy   hardware wallet just for small bitcoin  is just nonsense at all.

How could it ever be considered safer to store your bitcoins online than offline, i wish people would stop posting shit they know nothing about.
Newbies reading this may actually take your shit advice seriously and end up losing their coins to a hack.

Just the entering with blockchain can be made very hard, but yes blockchain is a third party and when it comes to money or bitcoins it's much safer to store it offline by using a trezor hardware wallet then keeping it online for a third party to run away with your coins.

Yeah I would cause it gives you really good security and I think it's a good invesment for your BTC.Storing your BTC is a really big issue and more people should understand that it's crucial to choose a nice method for that.

actually all of the ad program its slot only to the safest only blokchain in my opinion. and if you had a lot of bitcoin I recommend saving it in your own applications

If it meant keeping my bitcoins safe, I would buy a hardware wallet since it's they are the safest wallets around. An alternative to hardware wallets would be a desktop wallet that you download on your desktop.

Yes for trezor, middle for offline wallet and not for the online wallet. but not all of the newbies know what is the hardware wallet, electrum and other, but they're always doing the familiar wallet site like blockchain without getting any advice. different with that we are able to make a continuous advice for newbies.

Correct, this is somehow misleading   especially to newbies  out there and  believing all of these things that are mostly  answered  here and that would possibly lead to a loss. Online and  offline wallet do differ  in security  basis. I could say that  offline wallets would  be much better  than online.

There are many hardware wallets (I use KeepKey).

The market is open for new solutions, but you should innovate, maybe offering other altcoins than BTC (XMR / ETH / Lisk).

I would but they seem very expensive for a simple device I'll stick to my mobile wallet with authy for security.

I think that buying a hardware wallet can be good sometimes if you want to travel with it or something so you can make a payment with it too someone on that way.
It can be a option but I do not recommend you one because it can also get stuck or something.

You are aware that if it get stuck you can :

Recover the btc to a wallet.
Reset the device and recover the wallet with seed.
Losing the device will not compromise your wallet.

We can say that a hardware robust wallet is essential for people holding an important amount of BTC.

No I do not think that I would buy an hardware wallet because I think its useless, I already have a paper wallet, why would I buy a hardware wallet than.
I think that I simply do not need it, not now not anytime soon.

I would never buy hardware wallets you know allot of people are using hardware wallets and do you now waht i think is that they are not getting enough attention to do it. Because most of the wallets are not for real!

Why buying hardware wallets if they only like to scamm you and rid your coins if you can store them on your local computer i can tell you that is many times saver than putting them on the internet wallets.

What is your idea  about  hardware wallets? and  how  they would scam you? It just  no sense regarding  on the   things that you  mentioned  i supposed you are referring yo a web wallet  instead.  Yes  you could  able  to   store your bitcoin on you  pc and   much better   to buy  hardware wallets  if you  posses large amounts  of bitcoin.

Hardware wallets are okay but I think a paper wallet is better, of course it can be useful for some deals or something in person.
You can than just hand over the bitcoins for cash or something like that.

Buying a hardware wallet can be good but I think that I would not use it a lot because I have some other wallets.
I also use online wallet so that is why..

Yes I would buy hardware wallet if I have some huge amount of money in bitcoins. I don't have, but I was lucky enough to get one hardware wallet. It's from some prize, but I don't know how I got it or from where, I opened new thread for that, but without answers. I still don't know from whom I got it, just one day postman delivered it to me.
Well now I have good wallet and I don't plan to buy another one.

It's good because it's portable, and it's also safe to have it. But even though it is safer than having your money saved in an online, web-browser based wallet, a paper wallet is still the safest option you can go for. I'm using them and it feels way better and safer than having to enter your credentials in different websites.

I think that its also not worth it because its not very easily with payments, online wallets are better for payments.
On the other hand hardware wallets can be nice for large amounts maybe.

You need learning more about the hardware wallet, it's just like you're using the offline wallet but you can bring your wallet into everywhere you want. and you can synchronize the hardware wallet with an offline wallet like an electrum and that is the best combination.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2dqksb/electrum_trezor_one_happy_me/

If you have a lot better using your bitcoin wallet itself to maintain the security

You could actually use both,  especially if  your kind of a person does have many transactions  made online which  web wallet   does the edge  on having this situation  unlike  on  using hardware wallets  but  when  you possess large amounts you could store it on hardware which is somehow safe compared to web wallets.

And so ever you try an hardware wallet before? That is just for the people is want for get a high security for their money.

I would never buy a hardware wallet i think because i know for sure that allot of people are not making any kind of trouble using it but why stroing online if you can store them local.

I could somehow say that  hardware wallets  is more secure than web wallets  especially  when you are holding  huge volumes  of bitcoin. In my own side if i have   lots amount  bitcoin then for sure i would buy  hardware wallets and keep it for more  secure of your money without  any risk on  lossing it.

I would never buy a hardware wallet and that is just becuase i dont like to get rid of my coins i store my coins local because i dont trust the internet wallets sorry for that.

How much money for hardware wallet? For now I don't need some extra protection, and I'm not working with high amounts. Hardware wallet is probably for people who need it for some of this reasons.
Maybe one day in the future I will have one, for now I don't even know where to buy one, I never searched for it. But like many things, this is something good to know.

I think those hardware wallets are also like local wallet but rather than downloading whole blockchain ledger they just use remote server to make transaction. Downloading whole bitcoin ledger is very hard these days so we don't have much option left rather than using web wallets.

A hardware wallet can be good but its not for everyone and its also that a hardware wallet is not very nice too have if I have to be honest.
Hardware wallets are also not so safe as you think..

A hardware wallet is something that you can buy if you a large sum of bitcoins but its without any doubts not the safest method to store them.
If you want to have your wallet with you on that way it can be an option of course.

So tell us why you don't think they are safe, specifically what is wrong trezor or ledger

It depends on how it secured and also how good it is secured, if such an hardware wallet is not good secured it is not very safe, but its really laying if it will be secured.

Because I still new know about bitcoin, maybe when my balance more than 15 BTC I will buy hardware wallet

I will definitely buy a hardware wallet at some point. Currently the plan is to buy one when I can pay for it in bitcoin, and have earned enough bitcoin that I can afford one and still have enough bitcoin that it would be worth using it to protect. Until then, just taking smart precautionary measures will have to du as I would not be able to justify the expense.

There are a lot of pros and cons about hardware wallets. But in my opinion depending on only one resource is always dangerous.

Moreover you are saying you will buy hardware wallet after having huge amount of bitcoins is also not the right approach. Because till 15 bitcoins, you are taking the risk with your bitcoin saving. I suggest to go for off line wallets with multiple backups from the beginning of your journey towards 15 bitcoins.

Downloading the  whole blockchain is  a really pain in the ass  and you would need  huge space on your storage  and you need to wait for  couple  of days before  you  could download it completely but its worth  for the effort  and time  you spent because   pc  wallets  do have some  advantages compared to  web wallets. For me  hardware wallet would also do  if  you have bitcoin to store from it.

if you are using other wallets its indeed not necessarily but a hardware wallet can be easy and keep in mind that its very safe, because you are the only one having it and its offline too.

No i dont want to buy hardware wallet i want to have bitcoin bank ATM in every bank which exist to create witdrawals faster to spend some money.

I have buy trezor and it is very good

For me its good to lite version like our uses online wallets or electrum.. i tried to use hardware wallet but i have only slow internet it takes a long time before you can sync if you dont open your hardware wallet gradually or daily you will late for syncing and it takes a long sync again if you have a slow internet.

I think it is difficult to use hardware wallet if the internet is slow, but for safety's sake if you have much better hardware using bitcoin wallet

Agree, if you have a slow internet you would  really have a problem  with it and  it would  surely take you some time  more than weeks for sure.  You are right it is somehow safe compare to those web wallets do exist today but its still okay to use them especially when you are putting  up  small amounts and  been used for daily transaction.

Are you ever trying to use the hardware wallet? in my opinion isn't like you said. because that's is not acquiring for providing the internet connection with high speed.

We are all witnesses that cloud wallets, although convenient are not necessary secure enough. Hacker attacks are happening more and more often. With time people will pay more and more attention to security and that is the reason why hard wallets will have their market.

I would maybe do this but I do not really like such wallets if I have to be honest because these wallets are just so easy to get, you only have to steal the wallet thats all.
I rather them have a paper wallet it feels safer and is in my eyes better.

The most hardware wallets are good secured and have no security problems, I think that a hardware wallets is better because its your own thing and there cannot happen something with it if you are storing it safely!

Hardware wallet is the new platform for bitcoin wallet and I'm considering buying in the future and I know that others too. As time pass by I'm hoping for some improvements in hardware wallets that will be more advantageous than the other platforms.

I am not sure it is the new platform but it is a device which makes it way more safer for you to store your bitcoins. The more bitcoins you have the more the need is to buy a hardware wallet. If you are a geek you may find it easy to make one with a quality usb, but if you are not a geek, just buy a trezor device.

I agree how many gig  is the blockchain? I bet in my country's connection speed, i have to download it for 30 days LOL including data cap per day.  Looking at this scenario LOL i would prefer light wallets like electrum or multibit, i don't prefer online wallet and i would likely get hardware wallet because of the more security it  gives .

would buy a hardware wallet if it is cheaper than Trezor and has Android app
it seems like since 2014 not much changed,there are not so many competitors at this market
paper,brain wallets are alright,but once you are operating with big sums of money in coins
hardware wallets are best securitywise
imho trezor is ovepriced,so if there is a cheaper option with same security and added functionality ,consider me in

Its almost  90 gb as of todays update, its really hard to download this   it would took you long time like on your situation you would eventually able to download it for 30 days? lol. Your  pc might blown up for sure  not turning  of  for whole 30days. Agree hardware wallets   is more secured compared on online wallets.

i wonder if you buy a hardware wallet you will get the whole blockchain downloaded into it or not or the wallet is just specialized only for privkey and any similiar thing,because most of desktop wallet now doesn't require us to download the whole blockchain

I agree, that  is  why i prefer other light wallet like electrum or multibit, i even tried web wallets and even android  wallet.  Though im up for a pc wallet for security  and full access.  i will also like to  buy  harware wallet to securely store my bitcoin and keep it and open after 5 to 10 years of keeping it.

Hardware wallets are nice for the experience, but aren't necessarily better in terms of security compared to storing wallet files on USB drives.

At least, that's how I look at it. I am storing my wallet backups in USB drives since the very beginning, and it works fantastic for me.

And the best of all is that it's a free storing method since everyone has them in their homes.

I really trust more in web wallets than in harware wallets. The safety could be extreme but blockchain or bitcoin core is pretty accesible. It could be good for cold storage but I don't trust thousand of dollars in a hardware. You know, I had problem with blockchain in 2015 but nevermore. It's getting better everyday and the resources involved are awesome in blockchain. The support is also great.

I agree with you a hardware wallet is okay but a blockchain wallet (online wallets) are also good and its that some are good wallets and some or not good, when I talk about this I''m talking about the online wallets and the same rule is also applying for hardware wallets.

But even if the online wallet is applying a same rule with the hardware wallet, but the hardware is giving more than web wallet and that's why the people is interesting for buying a hardware wallet.... just plug and your hardware wallet is already synchronize with your computer.

Hardware wallets would be  somehow  safe or  more secure than to those  online wallets . This  hardwares would  be advisable  if you do have many bitcoins on your possession but  if you dont have much bitcoin then its better to use web wallet  because it would  add expenses only if you would  buy  hardware wallets.

I dont think i would ever buy a hardware wallet again because i already used one before and i dont like to use online wallets just becuase i know that wallets can be hacked.

I dont think hardware wallets can protect your bitcoins for sure because already stolen from me out of a hardware wallet maybe it is better to store them local?

If you are a sensible type of  person you would   surely kept your hardware wallet  to a secure place  which cant be possibly stole  by anyone from you. Hardware wallets  is more secure that  web wallet   in my own  opinion because  on  hardware wallet you could  simply keep it and you are the only one  who holding it unlike on web wallets.

I would never buy hardware wallets just because i know for sure that people are getting rid by the online wallets in my opinion to store coins local is many times better/.

I would maybe consider it if I have a larger amount if bitcoin in my hands, but right now I'm not planning on getting one.
Maybe in the future I will, I now have a paper and online wallet.

I think people who have security worries about hardware wallets ain't looking hard enough. the whole point of them is that they're as secure as you can get. what i'm less confident of is longevity. if I want to park coins for many years I wouldn't trust flash memory to do it.

The longevity solution is rather simple and has been an addage many people have been taught as a kid. That is, "don't keep all your eggs in one basket. The neat thing about bitcoin though is that you can keep all your eggs in multiple baskets via backups. Yes, I would even back up a hardware wallet to a few different places if it had enough in it to be worried about.

I think that HW wallet is good to have.

No I would not like a hardware wallet because its not something that I need and I also think that its not the safest way to safe your bitcoins to be honest.
Due to that I think its not the best way to safe them.

I think hardware wallet is safe place to keep bitcoins. For me it looks safer than desktop or online wallets. But hardware wallet is expensive thing, so I don't have plans to buy it. I'm confident enough with online wallets.

it's safer but it's more expensive comparing the web wallet you can get them for free. so with they're offering a valuable for us and there are the advantages giving by the hardware wallet like an automatic sync with a desktop wallet and low risk because the worst thing if we are losing or broke our hardware wallet.

is there an assurance that hardware wallet won't be corrupted after years?

as far as i know if you don't use a device for months it will starts to deteriorate and will somehow malfunction in the end. so from time to time a person who owns one should at least access it maybe once a month.

No, thanks a hardware wallet can be nice to have and I think its also safe but I prefer a cold storage or a paper wallet, it just feels much safer and I'm also used to use them.

Lol. Even I won't go with hardware wallet but it's waste to buy a with our money and use it. Instead of that we can use the paper or cold storage or desktop wallet itself. I feel hardware wallet is kind of fancy to show off.

Well there are  still people  or bitcoin holders do tend  to  buy  hardware wallet  because   they want to have  it everytime  on  their  pocket  or any palce that they want and  its also  ideal for storing  huge amounts  of bitcoins  but  same as yours  i would  like to use desktop wallets afterall.

Even I do not find hardware wallet as a waste of money, I do not want to go for it as if a technology that might get failed by any damage or virus. But, having a hardware wallet for small amounts of bitcoin as a hot wallet must be a great idea as it ensures many security measurements for safety of our bitcoins.

Maybe in the future that I would buy a hardware wallet but right now I'm pretty happy with my nice paper wallet I'm having right now.
Its a good wallet and I right now also love it more than a hardware one.

I cannot say if I want to buy a new hardware wallet, but certainly I would welcome new participants in the hardware market. The more providers offer hardware wallets in the market, the more offers I can choose from. With other words, the more possibilities the customers have. Furthermore, I think more competition could expand the prices in two directions that you could buy a HW wallet for and also expand the features because providers could get inspired by each others' innovation.

Me either I'm also planning to buy hardware wallet in the future but as of now I am very satisfied on what I have and what I am using which is online bitcoin wallet. Because it is free, and I don't have to invest with it too. But for holding bitcoins for longer time hardware wallets are good to consider but you need to invest with it too.

For me? I don't have any plans to buy such any hardware wallets since i am not an big holders who wants to hold any longer and i guess the people who needs that are those business man and big whales on tradings since they can assure thay there allocated money are in safe waet aswell us they can make sure that they will not bwe compromise by such account locking.

No I would honestly not buy an hardware wallet because I think that a hardware wallet is not worth it and its also that with an hardware wallet you are not always secure that the security is good.

You are partly right but its also depending on what kind of hardware wallet because some are pretty good protected if you are asking me.
I think its just a matter of time before they get more protected.

I also think that due to the lack of security it has its not worth investing in a hardware wallet, I rather prefer a paper wallet or a cold storage they are in my eyes much safer and for me also better to use for my amount of bitcoins.

The purpose of hardware wallet is just for the people are searching about more level security and with guarantee their amount is not disappearing caused by the another people. the worst thing the hardware wallet is can be broken or disappearing caused by the fault of owner and i can't say that is not worth in this day.

Can you please elaborate on what lack of security you are talking about and with what hardware wallet because i don't know of any myself.

Or are you just posting bullshit for your sig payment?
Stop posting what you know nothing about!

Same here  i really dont understand  on  what hes trying to say  regarding  on the   security  of hardware wallets and   regarding with it, having  hardware wallets   is more secure compared to  web wallets  i  suppose. Maybe that  guy trying to catch  up  on his  post qouta for sure :)

An hardware wallet probably would cost more than the amount of bitcoins i have in my wallet, so it is not for me. It is not for average users neither. They are mostly for rich people who have lots of lots of coins. Hell even they don't need em, just write down your private keys. It is the best hardware wallet.

Writing down your private key is not safer than using a well known hardware wallet like a Trezor.

You could write your private key down but you must first be sure that the key is not already compromised and that it has been created 100% offline with all traces of that key being wiped from your computer before going back online, better still would be to use a computer that has no internet connection. Then you will have to follow a similar process when signing your transactions.

Now all that work is much harder than just using a hardware wallet and it's also not something that is going to be easy for new comers to do.

I always do trust the online wallet that i am using right now and i feel very comfortable using it so i see no point of buying a hardware wallet aside from spending more money i feel that it would be more hassle instead.

All the things we use must have its own risks, the most important thing is to secure the bitcoin we have is to provide excellent security and update periodically in safeguarding our bitcoin wallet. In the world of the internet or electronic nothing could protect, because indeed there must be a gap that could on hacking

Please don't trust online wallet buddy. I have lost some btc in the online. After I have started using desktop wallet only for my transactions. Please check bitcoincore or electrum wallet to have multiple wallet address combine together in one.

Thank you finally someone else here with a little common sense.
Online wallets are not a safe option, they are a users friendly and easy option but what's easy isn't always safe.

If you need to use an online wallet to purchase coins then you should get into the habit of moving those coins to an address that you control the private keys to, or better still move them to a hardware wallet.

they cost very few btc, some of them cost only 0.1,  trezor was recently dumped in price also, so you can buy it with something more, it is the only one worth it i think

Hardware wallets are indeed nice to have and they do have a high security from what I can see. However, hardware wallets can go for up to $90. In my opinion, paper wallets that are generated on an air gapped freshly wiped computer would suffice. If you have more funds, buy a raspberry pi, install linux and Electrum on it. You can easily use it as an offline device to sign the transaction.

maybe i will buy a hardware wallet if i have medium amount in btc like for example 5-10 btc so i will hold it in hardware wallet. but if i only have bitcoin in under 5-10 bitcoin, i think i will hold it in blockchain and i think its safe and secure.

I have a hardware wallet and I can really say it is teh best thing to have. I f you hold at least 2 bitcoin i have to say that you must buy a hardware wallet so you can go to bed easilty.
Because storing your coins on just your pc is quite dangerous.

Spending  $99 usd on a Trezor or less than half on a Ledger wallet to secure between  $3000 & $6000 + seems like an easy choice to me

Hardware wallets are safer way to store and have a check and balance of your bitcoins. If i can afford it i will definitely buy it, to keep the market alive of hardware wallets the makers should ensure that maximum users can afford it.

If you have  lots  of bitcoin to store  then  buying hardware wallets  would  not   be a  problem to you hence it wouldnt  cost you alot  with  it  as  long you are   ensuring  the security  of  your bitcoin. These  wallets are made  for  bitcoin users would tend  to use on storing  huge amounts because  web wallets are not advisable .

You can't blame me sir because as far as i know the wallet that i am using is currently registered into their local barangays so they really must be following rules and aside from that they are verifying its users identity to prevent receiving money from frauds.

These rules of online wallets are only for the users holding the account and in case you receive money from a fraudster, they keep your account on hold and not the fraudster's account. It's better to use more than 2-3 online wallets to be on a safe side and if you are using coinbase/xapo, it's recommended to accept money from users whom you know else in doubt, use blockchain.

That's the reason people trust hardware wallets as your safety is in your hands.

yes sir of course i do used blockchain but that was before when i saw that this wallet is really making a name on the philippines i started to used it and i was amazed on their service that made me to trust them, they can answer your cashout problems quickly and you can call them also for further questions then i've also researched their background and they were registered on the best business place in the philippines.

I think you were referring to coins.ph web wallet , right? I do agree with their  services which is  very good for me hence they always  up to date and   their  support are also good and  regarding with other problems  you could easily contact them and they reply right away but still i wont  trust  to put huge amounts  because   as  ive heard  recently about  locking  of  wallet due to  anonymous transaction which is  somehow risky. For now  im not using  hardware  wallets  because  i dont have enough bitcoin to store.

Hardware can be dead anytime
i think software wallet is best because you can  make backup to save ur coin

thanks