Bitcoin Forum

So the owner closed the (very busy) official thread a few weeks ago and no one started a new one?!

Strange.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=722202.0

I still mine at BAN and the pool operator does seem to have the pool running better as the payouts hit my wallet every 2 hours. I never was a big fan of PPS but with the 10% bonus the pool pays I really do like the steady payouts. The pool has had pretty good luck finding blocks the last couple of days even if it does not mean anything to the miners. The pool is gearing up for merge mining soon, which once again I am not a big fan of merge mining either but as long as I can make more with this pool I will stay.

Edit: Most just use the pools IRC chat now

The admin locked it after deleting posts & evidence of a scam accusation involving their S3 givaway to fake users apparently:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=782765.0

Seems the admin (Phawner) uploaded fake pics, and the owner (s0br) was unable to deny/disprove any of the accusations.

Not sure I ever seen any "proof" of fake pictures or winning fake users... I know I was a winner and recieved a S3 miner. I have proof of it in my basement and have a friend that was also a winner of a miner. Sure seems there is a mounted attack against a new pool that was much needed. I have seen scam accusations against most of the pools and some by members that carry a lot of weight not just by members hiding behind newbie accounts. As s0br said either mine at the pool if you want or don't. If your cause is so almighty why not go after all the pools that have been accused of scams??

It is not my case or my accusation - I am answering the question that was asked. Keep your hair on  :D

Yup. And after the amount of name calling & childish insults the BAN shills posted - they can stay on IRC too  ;)

Wow... Still at it eh?

get a life  ;)

I don't really see them the way you guys are saying. I have been mining there since it started and well they are really far better than any pool out there. In terms of transparency, they are really transparent. Why do you guys have so much against them ?

One of the people seemingly involved (fire000) who was attacking everyone negative is now flooding my mailbox with demands that I remove the negative rating I left on him (after encountering him crap-flooding random unrelated threads just to harass people who raised an alarm on this stuff.

(apparently I'm supposed to be scared that he and his sketchy cronies will negative rate me on the forum, oh noes)

The guy is a loony. I've lost count of how many nonsensical postings he's made on behalf of BAN on the scam accusation thread. I see he has now neg-rep'd anyone who has posted on the thread, as well as some who have simply asked him to shut up elsewhere on other threads..... ::)

I'm afraid you might be getting a few emails from people he neg-rep'd for no reason asking if you can remove them, starting with me..... :D :D

What a clown..... :P


Maybe this will help you:

Proven fake pics.
Proven fake user accounts.
s0br refusing/unable to answer a single question.
thephawner refusing/unable to answer a single question.
Deleted comments/evidence from pool thread.
Pool thread still locked.
Barrage of insults from the same few BAN shills, ongoing.
Etc, etc.......

I see no transparency there.......

Have a read of the scam thread, you'll see what I mean........ ;)

Ah, but your forgetting about the customer support:

https://i.imgur.com/OHo6bog.png

Transparency at it's finest....... :D :D

Hi gmaxwell there a scam thread re you :)   HAVE A NICE DAY ps have the balls to post ya scam claims under your own ID you gave yourself away :) I will leave it at that till ya trip yourself up more :)   But a few will put 2 and 2 together what fake id you are hiding behind with some research :) GOOD look for a MOD :)

Ps if anyone looking for the scam thread on the mod it can be found here and there an moral issue to be debated in there...  Re the trust rating system and how it should be used....   If been interesting to see what the views of 2 MODS has been vs the users to this point both in that thread and in an PM :)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=825856.0

If you look back on your posts you are in the fact the one that has started the name calling and personal threats etc all they did was finally drop to your level...


Just one example of your fine work "

.....Really?
Member
**
Activity: 70
View Profile  Personal Message (Offline)
Trust: -6: -1 / +0(0)
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!
Ignore
Man, I'm really sorry he's dragged you into his tiny little world.  All I can say is contact a moderator. The guy is a complete waste of space, Just do what everyone else does & try to ignore him, use the button.

Failing that, smash his teeth in  Smiley Wink Chin up lad, I hope he hasn't put you off Bitcoin or miners, the majority of us are actually OK, I promise  Wink"



PS A NUMBER OF US REPORTED THIS FINE EXAMPLE OF YOUR HANDY WORK THERE REALLY AND WELL the mods left it there and we NOW KNOW WHY :)   This is just one of the many fine examples of your down outright personal attacks against BAN members and it admin which you started way back in aug and still going with them now change the record as it so old it not funny :)

The MODS could of put a stop to the BS months ago in the BAN pool thread BUT HAVE CHOSEN TO TURN A BLIND EYE TO IT TO THIS POINT rather than deal with it when it was 1st report countless times by many ban members but it appears the MODS SUPPORTS THIS TYPE OF BEHAVING IN THIS FORUM by it users and even DISH out BS ratings on users defending themself against these actions of this member in question I WONDER WHY a quick look at the MOD ID and a couple of the fake ids it NOT hard to spot  ;)


To your last effort "Tip Of The Day: The next time someone tells you to f*ck off of a thread - you really should. Really."

LMAO it a free country where I live everyone has a right to free speech and an option if you do not like that then move on BUT IT IS A HUMAN RIGHT so you can not tell NO ONE " The next time someone tells you to f*ck off of a thread - you really should. Really."  As everyone is allowed a voice....  Just yet another example of your fine work .....    Also one has the right to post in this forum if they choose with out downright threats been made against them as you have done a number of times against myself and other members of BAN....   Which there is many example of your handy work of both personal threats and threats of violence against people.....

Again " it a free country where I live everyone has a right to free speech and an option if you do not like that then move on BUT IT IS A HUMAN RIGHT so you can not tell NO ONE"

It also up to you to prove your FUD claims NOT the BAN POOL NOR IT OWNER as it innocence to proven guilty..   AS of yet you have not dropped one bit of prove anywhere that can not be shoot down as FUD on your part by many different users YET you keep going on with ya FUD attacks etc...   IF you were so sure of your self you would of taken the pool ops offer up that he made about 6-8 weeks ago to go see a lawyer and collected a size-able  bounty for it have you taken this offer up Huh?   NO  I think that says it all and what this is on your part change the record as it growing OLD NOW Smiley 



Have a nice day Smiley   :-* :-* :-*

PS FOR THE MODS I LOVE THE DOUBLE STANDARDS HERE on moving or locking threads if one attacks the P2 it locked straight up YET one attacks BAN as here it left :)    GOT to love the MOD that behind the FAKE id in really :)   PS there enough proof around the place to link the MOD to the really ID if one chooses to look  ;) AND also the actions of this mod and what he been doing with the threads re the P2 pool etc vs the BAN ones...   GOOD LOOK THAT A MOD IS HIDING BEHIND A FAKE ID AND ATTACKING POOLS MAKING PERSONAL THREATS AGAINST OTHER USERS ETC WITH OUT HAVING THE BALLS TO DO IT IN THEIR OWN ID

Also the MOD I am referring to may also want to think about the UN charter of human rights before they going posting things on users in future and deal with all parties NOT ONE as one does have the right to defend Just in case you need it the UN basic human right charter can be found here it may pay to read it sometime as everyone has the right to defend they have the right to free speech they have the right to not cope abuse threats etc eg the 2 examples that were highlighted above of many that REALLY and OTHERS  have dished out for months to a few BAN pool members and admin BUT you as an MOD have supported for months quite happily and even jumped on the bandwagon NOW There is that many examples of P2 pool users attacking myself and other BAN members for months all we DONE in each and every case is defend our self's NOT the other WAY around as you claim in your BS trust RATING there enough proof all over this forum of this....    

Just in case you need it the UN basic human right charter


http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

just a quote from the preamble of the long doc linked above.....

"PREAMBLE

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations,

Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms, "


You may want to think about this the next time you try to tell someone to f off or threaten them etc as you have in this forum a few times to people replying to you....    They also have the right to defend themselves etc.....     Maybe think long and hard there about what this DOC is and what power it carrys with it the next time countless users report posts of abuse and threats and act on them and not turn a blind eye etc

PS to this part of the above post by the mod in question with the fake account attacking the BAN pool I would be very carefully what you claim has happen here in the past re all this and ya BS claims.....     As there countless BAN members that can shoot ya down I will start be saying think long and hard about this part of your post

"(after encountering him crap-flooding random unrelated threads just to harass people who raised an alarm on this stuff."  AS countless BAN members would have records of reporting posts of really and others eg cath etc when they 1st started on the ban pool back in AUG and you doing nothing re these reports you are the one that BASICALLY has said to these USERS go for it cause as MUCH TROUBLE AS YOU CAN so I would be very carefully what you claim etc as I have said here it not hard to link YOU to THE FAKE accounts and also your lack of respond to the issues when they should of been dealt with months ago :)   SO you may want to go back through each and every report you have got from any BAN members as you will FIND the BAN members reported a number of these users on countless times very early in the piece well before we had to turn to the above methods which you are basically saying look if it a BAN members we will attack them BUT if it A MOD OR P2 user we going to turn a blind eye TOO there is that many examples and time stamps all over the forum that quite clearly show this....   AND squash your BS CLAIMS of "This user has been attacking people for posting honest concerns about what appears to be a pretty obvious scam; as well as disrupting conversations with offtopic ranting. He seems to be very unreliable. I'm not sure if it's confusion, trolling, or what. But I consider them untrustworthy."  As it been the other way around....  

SO I would be VERY carefully on your claims in future as IF need be I will dump things TO HAVE YOU REMOVED AS A MOD as there enough proof to take ya out and your lack of actions and the hiding behind FAKE IDS and protecting these users in question it either what apply for one group users apply for others or it does not apply at ALL. NOT it apply's for some and NOT others as has been happening for months NOW :)  

HAVE A NICE DAY and I have noticed the mod in question has been on line BUT ducking for cover and staying right away the 2 public threads wonder why :) :)  

I just noticed this on the scam thread, left on the above users trust rating:

https://i.imgur.com/BQChoXO.png

Pretty much sums up BAN, it's admin & all their various aliases/shills I reckon  ;)

It's kind of sad that the antics of a few vocal users keep following any mention of BAN everywhere. At this point I have no idea what their point or motivations are but I can't see a point to it all by now.

For what's it worth, regardless of whether there was someone posting fake pics of miners or not, I did get the Antminer S3 that I was promised as a result of the BAN giveaway and a lot of other folks did so as well. There was a user from Netherlands that got the BTC value of the Antminer S3 as well and now that the contest has been over for 2 months people still just talk about that rather than concentrate on the great payouts which is really what it should be all about. Sad but what the heck...

I'm not sure I understand your statement correctly.

Are you saying it's OK for a pool to scam & that you think it's sad that people get upset and talk about it?

Which vocal group are you referring to exactly? The small group of people from BAN (fire000 above included) who have constantly peppered the scam accusation page with abuse, hatred, childish comments and excuses for the admin who never bothered to turn up after promising to look into it?  Or the group of people who stated their concerns to the community about what they did?

In any case, it would probably be more appropriate to post your comments about it in the scam page, as this thread was purely a question that I believe has been answered clearly already.

I had a longer answer ready to post but you know what? It's not worth it. Though I do wish to clarify that I think fire000 is just as bad if not worse. With the way he acts I think he does more harm to BAN than anyone and even wonder if he's not just a troll account...

fire000 has done no more or less harm to BAN than the pool admin ThePhawner and his aliases have done by their multitude of embarrassing, childish, insulting and pathetic posts on the scam thread for the last 6 weeks - the last one of which was 5 minutes ago  ::) They are only harming themselves, it's pathetic.

Pool received a good review

http://bitcoinsinireland.com/bitcoin-affiliate-network-mining-pool-review/ (http://bitcoinsinireland.com/bitcoin-affiliate-network-mining-pool-review/)

Not any more.......

I wonder how much s0br is paying this clown to delete comments & links on his referral blog...... ::)

Ive mined here since they started, never won an s3 and the whole giveaway scam thing i admit was a bit curious when it all went down but ive stayed with the pool and the payouts have always been legit and the bonus is nice.  the times when they had payout issues in the past s0br has been very good at paying what was due and then some.  so ill keep mining here til someone better comes along, if that even happens.

The payouts were never an issue here I think - just the fake winners. I won't touch them simply because of that, I just don't trust them now.

Well, that's the great thing about this pool. You only need to trust them for two hours at a time if you have your payout set to every two hours. That said, I've stuck with them since that first month with only brief interruptions and they have recovered from every issue they had and made up for payouts when they were not as they should be. They have been very stable lately.

It is hard to understand how people can fall for crazy schemes and buy into cloud mining for unbelievable promises of profit yet a pool that consistently and provably pays out 10% over baseline and where the maximum risk is 2 hours of your hash rate plus your reaction time is feared.

It's hard to believe that you actually fell for this BS..... ::)

Do you seriously think that a pool can run at a 10% loss on everything they earn? How is that? All you know is what they claim they do - & what they claim is completely different to what they actually do, as has been clearly shown already. Ask yourself, how can a pool consistently over pay it's miners? Where is that payment coming from? Where is the proof that you are getting 10% more on every payment? Where are the stats that clearly show this 10% payment?

It's barely possible to run a pool at a profit under normal circumstances, ask any reputable pool dev, so to run a pool at a 10% loss is impossible unless a) they have more BTC than sense and want to give it away (like their S3's?  :D), or b) It's BS.

Given their history - I'll go for b)

I don't care if they are running at a loss. I don't care if they are not sustainable. I do care that I'm making 10% over what I should be, and the moment that changes there are plenty of pools to move to.

Put your hash power into a simple mining calculator like the one at bitcoinwisdom and they pay 10% over that. It really is that simple.

I'll go for answer b) too.......as in BS.

I really don't understand the trolls here (cathoderay, .....Really?) It's not like you are spending money that you may never get back. All you have to do is point a single miner here for a few hours to prove it to yourself whether this works or not.

Stats & proof or it ain't happening.

You seem to have determined not to believe it anyway. Anyone who posts data here you'll just call a shill and/or say the data is made up, which it very well could be. That's why I'm suggesting that you prove it to yourself with one of your miners.

You seem to have determined to believe it anyway, simply because they say so. Anyone who posts stats & proof will be believed. Show everyone these 10% extra payouts you get..... ::)

My payment for last 4 hour period...

Time: 2014-11-06 19:06:26 Amount: 0.01441407 Bonus: 0.00131037 Donation: 0 Shares: 20758183 Avg Hashrate from last payment 6,189.05 GH/s 203ba4f9b66a4... 12 confirmations.

Ok, this is my last feeding of the trolls. This is my dashboard that updates in near-real time, so you could verify yourself in half the time it took me to take this screen shot.
https://i.imgur.com/XoCeJ1O.png

You should be able to calculate out based on the number of normalized to difficulty 1 shares that I submitted ("Pending Shares") the current PPS rate and my pending payment. Note that I am getting paid every 24 hours, a change I recently made there in order to produce fewer transactions in my wallet, and because I have grown to trust them to make the payouts like they should. The default is 2 hours and the maximum is 24 hours.

I'd really prefer to not post my current receiving address publicly, but if you PM me for it I will share it privately and you will be able to verify that my payout will be the pending + bonus.

My hashrate there is approximately 3.2TH/s.

Let me first say Hello SUPER NEWBIE and welcome, it is nice to see you with so few posts (even less than me) attacking an honestly good pool. i will take your questions one at a time and slowly so you can understand. Since you clearly have NEVER mined on this pool, it makes me wonder why you even posted such negativity about them. if you did mine on their pool you are either blind or just plain stupid because a lot of the "proof" you asked for has always been plainly right in front of you.

Do you seriously think that a pool can run at a 10% loss on everything they earn?

What makes you think he is running on a 10% loss, I suggest you do a little more research into pools management, maybe take a class or two if you can find one, or just call s0br maybe if you ask nicely he will share with you how to profitably run a pool without scamming and unethically screwing your members.

Ask yourself, how can a pool consistently over pay it's miners?

Actually there is a trick and I know it and I bet the rest of the loyal BaN members have figured it out as well. if you have a business structure like s0br has set up, you can pay bonuses and still make a wonderfully nice profit. You just have to be smarter than the keyboard you are typing on. In your case you clearly lack this skill.

Where is that payment coming from?

Very simple from the rewards in the Blocks we solve DAAAH

Where is the proof that you are getting 10% more on every payment? Where are the stats that clearly show this 10% payment?

ok this is how I know you have NEVER mined on this pool or you are just very stupid. The bonuses are not listed in one place but actually 3 different places, they are in realtime ran on the dashboard, they are in your transaction history and they are in your earning history. how you could have possibly missed this is beyond me. Since the first day i have mined there your reward per submitted share has always been available and in viewing, your estimated shares are calculated as well, your hashrates for each worker is in realtime and shown,  and the bonuses and BTC you earn are clearly shown in a few places with a constant running statistic as well.

Please sir before you make yourself look stupid, if you have pissed the owner and admins off in BaN I will gladly answer your stupid questions so you will not look like a complete noob idiot. Just PM me and ask, if I can answer you I will. this posting of yours was a very false and ridiculous attempt to attack this pool with lies and slander. even a non member can see some of these things just by going to the site.

If instead of charging a fee you pay out a 10% bonus then you are running at a 10% loss.


There is no trick with a mining operation on its own. Maybe he has a side business that runs with a profit. But if the mining operatiion pays out 10% more than what comes in, then it's running at a 10% loss. If you are paying someone 11 BTC to mine 10 BTC for you then you are losing bitcoins fast.


So when a block is created and the pool gets 25 BTC it pays out 27.5 BTC from those 25 BTC. That makes sense.

I am not in the know there and I am not going to condemn or promote them either way, but I do want to try to clear the fud about this. The pool reward is pps so blocks are not necessarily paid at a 10% loss based on luck. PPLNS would be that way. If they have a trick or they think they have a trick to stay ahead of luck then it works until it falls apart and in the mean time I am happy with these rewards.

So when the pool is lucky it breaks even. When the pool is unlucky or has even luck it takes a loss. Over time it takes a massive loss. Several PPS pools went bankrupt in the past, even when charging fees.


It's not illegal or a scam to throw away hundreds of bitcoins and pay miners too much. That's a whole different discusison.

I've only heard of one pool doing something like this before, and they were "investing" the coins in a ponzi scheme.

Asking questions here is not "stupid questions". Noone is a "complete noob idiot" for asking questions in a situation like this.

"A trick", "business structure" or "rewards in the blocks we solve" makes absolutely no sense. It sounds like a scammer talking.

One of the big things at play with the pool is it seems the pool operator owns or controls most of the hashing. So even the 10% he pays out to the minority of the miners I think is still less than what he is paying for rent on a lot of his miners. So if you would look at the fact if he is renting a large portion of his hashing or paying the same amount or less out to miners on a PPS it all the same and comes down to weather he is lucky enough to find the blocks.

Edit: all the above is my opinion only

When you pay a very high price to rent hashes and a very high price for people to mine in your pool you have to be extremely lucky just to break even.

Noone is that lucky.

The only statement in all you said that I'd disagree with :D

My pool went nuts with luck the last 2 days.
6 blocks in a row under 21% of diff - pool averaged 10.4% diff for 6 blocks in a row.

If you want to bet against the odds you can rent hashpower at high prices too. ;)

Nope, I have zero delusions about "luck" ... though many in Bitcoin seem to have not heard about or understand random probability and statistics in general :)

There was no betting against any odds, it was simply that my pool was extremely "lucky" for the last 2 days.

History shows your luck.
Your history of "luck" has NO effect on future expected block finding.

I am not saying weither it's a smart move or not to rent or pay what the pool does, but am just pointing out what I see. Since it pays PPS and I get paid every 2 hours, I really don't care how many blocks are found or what kind of luck the pool has. I will say I am happy to have won a S3 miner from the pool and am happy with the payouts I have been getting.

You sir are the reason why Children should not attempt this industry. If you are not 13 or still in high school, I feel bad for you. You have no understanding of business economics, and even less understanding on how to run a profitable mining pool. Please save yourself farther embarrassment and stop posting uneducated answers.

You need to learn a lot before you post such ridiculous and, i am sorry, but STUPID answers.

what i sense in you is a disgruntled teenager who was hoping to get an S3 but was never chosen as a winner and now is posting all he can in an attempt to tarnish a reputation. Sorry but that is what your post is screaming behind the scenes.

anyone experiencing low hashrates ? i'm getting about 10% lower than normal even after trying multiple different settings after many hours of tests.

It seems you are unaware that DrHaribo is a respected and experienced mining software writer and pool operator that has been here with the bitcoin community for a long time. I suggest you reconsider what you just said in light of that fact.

If you mean on the BAN pool then no my hash rate and payout have been very stable. At first I thought I was seeing a drop in my payouts because after the difficulty change it seemed it was a day and a half later before I seen the drop But it looks normal for the change.

Edit: The reason I mention my payouts is this is what I spreadsheet out daily. As long as the payouts are right and stable over every 24hour period for my hash rate then I assume things are right no matter what's being reported on the pools dashboard. My payouts over the last 3 days  ( also over every 2 hour payout) have been spot on and show no significant  difference from day to day.

The pool also has started merge mining which I am not a big fan of after   Eleuthria explained why BTC Guild does not merge mine.

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 CK


i asked about hashrate NOT payouts aurel & most know that payouts do get slightly delayed sometimes when the "hot" wallet runs dry.

below is a screenshot of my 2nd dc that i just copy & pasted couple mins ago. all miners are identical & they're 1.5ths each. but most of them are hashing lower than normal ??? been scratching my head for sometime with various settings as i mentioned earlier too.

here's the weird part, but when i mine at other pools, the hashrates are pretty close to normal except @ BAN & Nicehash which we all know about.

WorkerHashrateDifficulty
101   1,205.60   4096
102   1,265.89   4096
103   1,356.31   512
104   1,265.89   512
105   1,205.60   4096
106   1,356.31   296
107   1,265.89   512
108   1,054.90   37
109   1,416.59   512
110   1,145.32   10
111   1,356.31   47
112   1,446.73   8
113   1,265.89   0
201   1,235.74   0
202   1,265.89   0
203   1,296.03   0
204   874.06   4096
205   1,687.85   512
206   1,265.89   512
207   1,416.59   2196
208   1,235.74   63
209   1,326.17   0
210   1,205.60   512
211   1,145.32   4096
212   1,537.15   4096
213   1,235.74   4096
51   1,537.15   2264
52   1,265.89   1953
53   1,386.45   1846
54   1,537.15   1999
55   1,567.29   2113
Total   40,628.93

Thank you DrHaribo - your knowledgable input is appreciated.


Absolutely, well said CK.

@cyberpinoy: Assuming someone who has a relatively new account to be a "stupid noob", as you so eloquently put it, is fool hardy & reckless. I am heavily involved in Bitcoin & the mining scene & have been for some years now - my choosing to open an account at bitcointalk recently does not make me any less experienced, nor does it mean that I can be considered a target for insults from members simply because they have had an account here for a longer period than me, especially when all I have done is stated facts that you obviously don't like to read, for whatever reason.

I don't post very often, only when I feel strongly enough about something to do so, & the antics of BitcoinAffiliateNetwork (BAN) - it's owner, it's admin, it's methods, it's complete lack of transparency, it's lies &  it's many posts of hatred from fake user accounts against any user who questions it's feasibility/honesty is such an occasion.

Mine with them if you want, nobody is stopping you. But don't expect concerned members to stop questioning their behaviour by simply throwing insults at them - on the contrary - it will only make them more determined to get to the truth, much of which has already been exposed in their scam thread.

I have watch a lynch mob come after this pool for the S3 giveaway and then over how much it pays out. It's funny as I have never seen this type of response when two very respected people on these forums ( Kano and Luke-Jr.) went at it over alleged  improprieties with Eligius Pool? (And when other pools had questionable  things happen and never addressed) I find it funny when other pool operators want to bash another pool as you know they have no reason to ever mine there in the first place.  Also there is one pool operator which I hold in high astiem which I have never seen question anything about this pool yet have seen him answer many questions on other pool threads.  I really am not looking to bash anyone or feel the need to defend why I mine at any pool or defend this pool, just these are my random thoughts.

Edit: without going back thru the old posts please forgive me if Kano was directing his allegations  about Eligius at Wizkid and not Luke. I may still be thinking back when Kano and Luke would go at each other over which had the better programs for mining.

I'm not trying to lynch anyone or bash other pools.

I'm saying that it is OK to ask questions if someone pays you 10% more than what you're selling is worth. Just like it's OK to ask questions if someone pays you a 7% weekly profit on your "investment". A lot more people should have asked questions about Bitcoin Savings and Trust.

Personal insults and name calling as a response is not ok.

Hand-waving and non-sensical arguments designed to cause confusion is not an answer. We've seen that before, usually from scammers.

I'm not saying BAN is a scam. I don't know much about it, personally. Maybe they are operating at a big loss in the beginning to get their pool off the ground and will charge fees later. Maybe cyberpinoy is a puppet account of someone trying to make BAN look like a scam. Who knows.

I'm objecting to the behavior of some people in this thread, and arguments that make no sense whatsoever. If that means I'm in a lynch mob I'll have to get some rope.

Thank you for the response and the lynch mob remark was not directed at you in particular but as a whole not only here but on the other couple of threads dealing with this pool. I had many questions about the pool and pulled my miners many times when I still was trying to figure out if it was for real also. Right now the pool is at 9 hours+ on paying out even tho my payout is set at 2 hours. This is the first time in about a week that its been late and a few months ago I would have switched pools but I am not as fast to move miners anymore. Anyways in a short while my miners will be pointed back to CK solo pool and I will only come back to BAN if the price of BTC warrants it. As I rather take a chance on solo mining than just turn the miners off and let them sit on the shelf. ( I am thankful to all that can carry a civil conversation on here even if their views differ)

I'm glad to see people like Dr. Haribo in this thread, educating the masses and questioning what is surely a questionable enterprise.

Now, what's happening with BAN's scheme to exploit BTC and mine more than it's proper share? Wasn't that the whole reason why they said they could afford to pay more?

No i am not a puppet

I call them like I see them, I am a loyal miner at this pool. My loyalty is not earned easily. You made some FUD arguments about a pool "you dont know much about" then you and your friends get all bent out of shape when a loyal miner there puts you in your place. Altho you may be a good software writer it seems you lack the most basic knowledge on business economics. Just because someone runs a pool that is not scandelous and profitable only for the pool owners does not make them a scam, just because you dont understand his business structure does not make it non-profitable. I watched this man, and have been watching this pool very closely for a long time now and to be honest I have done the behind the scenes numbers of what i think he may be doing and to be honest, in my opinion, its genius. Where other pools are unethically doing things to try their best to fill their pockets with as much BTC as possible and underpay the people mining for them, he has found a way to fairly pay his members  and still make a pretty nice profit.

As a respected mining software developer I would expect more from you, Software writers need the ability to always be open minded and think outside of the box. Its sad to see and say but the Owner of Bitcoin Affiliate has seemingly done something no one else so far has been able to do. Run a  fair and profitable pool.

PPLNS pools are straight up scams from the get go, they have pool owner profit on the mind and nothing else, to say I have a PPLNS pool you may as well say i want you to mine for me and only get rewarded a tiny portion of what you actually put in. All these other mining strategies have nothing but pool profit worked in, no has ever sat down at the drawing table and said how can I run a pool that is fair to my members and profitable to me at the same time ...UNTIL Bitcoin Affiliate. There are only 2 fair paying pools PPS Pay Per Share and PPP Pay Per Proportion anything other than this is not as profitable for the miners as it should be, but is extremely profitable for the pool owners.

Lets be business economics honest, how much cost do you really have in running a good pool. You can start out cheap maybe 40-60 bucks a month for a VPS and 100 bucks a year for a website domain. A lot of coding you need is already opensource anyways so you just need to put it all together. so an upfront few BTC or cash to have a good coder put it all together. You can even go the cheap lazy route and get some cloudfare security, another small cost but may be beneficial.  So in a sense you can have roughly 70-80 bucks a month for the necessities. 0.25BTC max. As your pool grows and you begin to bring in profits you will need to upgrade to the next level servers and then begin to add support  people to help you with customer support.  

Is it that easy NO easier said than done but I am just putting the facts out there.

So tell me respected leader in pools and software developments what is the real need for any pool to have to make 40% or more of the BTC per block mined in order to be a truly profitable pool? Is there really a need to make that much while that pool sticks it to the miners actually getting them that profit. Like Ghash.io the biggest scammer pool of the BTC industry history.
If you did in fact know more abut the pool you raised the false FUD about a lot of the stuff you dont understand and dont know about would be answered.

For a respected man in this industry and an opinion others seem to cherish, maybe you should not comment on a pool "you dont know much about" with bashing and FUD posts.

Just my 2 cents  :)


I love members like you who always talk about how "heavily involved" they are in the bitcoin industry so i will respond first with a few questions,

Bitcoin Industry questions:
What is the website address of your Bitcoin Merchant site where we can buy absolutely anything with bitcoins cheaper than we can at the local walmart?

What item are you using that can only be purchased with Bitcoins and nothing else?

What is the address to your bitcoin auction site?

What is the address to the game you have that uses bitcoins as its games digital currency?

What is the address of your mining pool?

What is the address of your coin exchange?

Mining industry questions:
How many solar panels are you running on your mine?

What inverter are you using on the panels for your mine?

Are you using a charge controller on your solar system for your miners?

What type of wind turbine are you using in your mine?

What design have you used in your mine to maximize airflow and separate the hot exhaust from the cold intake?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now tell me again exactly how heavily involved you are with bitcoins and the mining industry again?

Now that the sarcasim and defense has been vented let me move on to your post in a more open minded way,

Please dont tell me the lies you are talking abut is those stupid s3s still. For god sake how many times must this community kick this dead horse. the proof of shipments was given this community refuses to accept the proof, not the owner or admins fault, the pictures have been taken about payouts and this community refuses to accept that, what proof do you people need if pictures and tracking numbers I saw provided in other posts are not enough? There is nothing wrong with the owner or the admins. I can probably say much like you are seeing from me, the loyal members who know better are just sick of the FUD and bullcrap this community continues to push. and much like you  (altho i talk a lot more) when I see a line of crap hanging out there i will not hesitate to put one in his place, and to be honest I dont care if its Dr whoever he is or Satoshi Nakamoto himself, if you say something that is not warranted I will defend what i know to be correct.


Now aside from your post let me just mention I am seeing a nice clan forming in this thread, I find it funny how all these well respected men in this industry seemingly are acting like a bunch of school girls fighting in the bathroom but doing so in the most professional way they possibly can. Talk about transparency HAHAHA look in the mirror some of you and point the finger to yourselves.

This will be my last post in here so dont bother rebutting me I dont care about your opinion of me or the pool I mine in, I make more on BAN than any other pool I have tried, I have tried many trust me and test regularly. So dont waste your time responding to me in this thread cause I wont be checking its status, you guys are seemingly tied together like a bunch of wallstreet brats in a certain and purposeful determined way to trash and bash this pool for whatever reason you have, so go on, I will keep reaping the rewards you are to foolish to accept right now. The great thing abut mining is when you own the machines you can point them absolutely anywhere you want to get a rough idea of a payout, when you own enough machines you can point them everywhere and find true honest results and profits per pool. When you dont have any or enough machines you can guess and make FUD. I chose to have the machines I need to make educated tests with facts and honest mining results and thus where my responses come from :)

Good. Thanks.

Since you seem to be the expert, please explain how a pool can payout 10% more than it could possibly earn and still make a profit.

Are there underwear gnomes involved? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tO5sxLapAts
Mine bitcoins + payout 110% + ?? = profit

PPLNS is taking 40% from the blocks, even the zero fee PPLNS pools which pay out all income from the blocks?

I'll try to focus on the positives. Thank you for making this your final post.

Except your "facts" include some complete and utter rubbish.
Either you are simply confused and do not understand pool payout methods or you are lying for some bazaar reason.

The actual payout "method" has nothing at all to do with the % of pool owners profit.
Read that again:
The actual payout "method" has nothing at all to do with the % of pool owners profit.

I run a PPLNS pool and each block I receive I payout 99.1% of the total block value.
The fact that I say and do payout 99.1% of the total block means ... guess what? ... I make 0.9% of the reward.
How the fuck is that 40%?
Seriously go learn some elementary school maths.

Prop pools are the worst pools of all since they mean that long term miners will make less per share that short term miners who hop the pool.

On a PPS pool, the amount paid out depends on the PPS rate - most pools that used to use PPS would charge a high % fee (4%-7%) because PPS is a high risk payment scheme and proven statistically that the pool should eventually run out of money.

The biggest issue with BAN is that they are hiding where the extra 10% is coming from.
Why do people hide things unless they don't want people to know it.
Also note a rather glaring issue "hiding details" doesn't at all equal "transparency" :P

Seriously can you stop posting this rubbish and learn about pools and payouts.

Your post above is simply making a fool of yourself due to it's ridiculous inaccuracies.

"The biggest issue with BAN is that they are hiding where the extra 10% is coming from.
Why do people hide things unless they don't want people to know it."

s0br has let it be known, even back when the amount was 25% that he pays it himself. He has bought BTC to cover what the pool does not cover with found blocks. I was once on the chat with him and he thought he had misplace some coins ( like 2 blocks worth) only to find out a day later when he sent out a pool email that his wallet had been compromised. Even thru trials like that the man has always paid and i have a feeling he is well funded. At the beginning he was doing it all himself and found out it may have been a bigger task than he thought but with so many miners here for the "hobby" and mining at a loss why is it so hard to believe someone wants to build a pool that he can use himself even if it is not a financial positive cash flow at this time?
Disclaimer:  (I really have no knowledge if the pool is profitable or not).

Yes you do, because they "claim" to pay you 10% extra - that means they are making a loss on every block they payout on.....

Think about it.

No I can not answer that as I believe the pool controls a large part if not the majority of the hashing power. But as a PPS pool  I really don't care.

OK, so he pays it out of his pocket.
Good, that would clear it up ... if he actually said it, not someone else.

I would expect that the official forum thread for the pool that goes on about transparency would also say that.
There have been posts on the forum making all sorts of comments about where it comes from but none in the official forum thread, by him.
Clarifiying it in the official forum thread in the first post ... where he claims that the pool is the most transparent ... would obviously be very appropriate.

Um, of course you cannot answer that, you are not s0br ...

However, anyone ignoring all the FUD about BAN, and not mathematically challenged, can clearly see that it is a loss and thus the pool cannot continue it forever.
It is also statistically proven that a PPS pool cannot even continue 0% bonus payouts forever :D

However anyone that is not mentally challenged can read what  s0br posted over 3 months ago  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=722202.0  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=722202.0)  that the bonus was only temporary until the pool hit 5Th. I also don't remember him ever saying that the pool will never charge a fee?  But on that first page /post he made, it also says "This pool is intended to be a free service for a new company we're launching in the Fall and will be promoting soon. " so just maybe the pool is intented to not be a profit maker in itself but a service for something else that will make more money than any pool can.

And of coarse I can not answer about the pools profitability as I can not answer that about any of the other pools. I have not seen anyone question Slush, BTC Guild or the others if they are profitable or not?

You don't need to question Slush or BTC Guild - unless you are mathematically challenged - they already say how much of the pool income they keep - it's not 0% ... or -10% like BAN
You can even work out from their payout schemes what income will be, that you'd then have to remove running costs and 'other' costs but those aren't known.
Running costs and 'other' costs have to come from somewhere ...
I see on the 'new' thread there is listed 26 BAN servers ... wow that sounds like high running costs ...

So me being mentally challenged, I guess this 'new' thread below is just him spamming the pools forum making multiple pool threads so I can ask one of the mods to delete it and merge it back into that other thread that I've only posted in once coz someone linked my cgminer S1 binary release in there?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=854368.0

As hard as it maybe for some here to understand, sometimes a persons success is not measured in dollars and just maybe not everyone is trying to earn a living off their mining pool. As far as asking the mods to do much, the forums seem to have a different standard depending on who you are or which mod you talk to. I don't see the new thread as spamming as the other thread is locked but you do what ever you think needs to be done. There are plenty of scam accusations posted on BAN's thread by someone that already has his own scam thread for him and the lynch mob to post in but I guess it's ok to harass and make false accusations and the mods just let it go on even tho it's off topic for the thread.

I'm mining there and payouts are pretty regular and above what I would earn on average from slush's and ghash.io pools so very happy, long may it last :)

Just something for the p2 pool trolls to think about :)   loves to know why the p2 pool payouts are over 40 percent down on a rigs expected earn :)

Just something interesting for the p2 trolls that float by has done a 11 day test here BAN vs P2 pool

And well the results speak for themselves.....

Mining on 820 gh on both pools

The p2 pool paid out a grand total of   0.06576185  for 11 days so the div by 11 = 0.00597835 btc a day on avg
The mining was done on the following BTC address 14hK4PKZyisS5HECapW9jmmUfuMRt4D9o3 and all payouts from the 5th to the 16th can be traced back through the block chain to P2 blocks etc.    The mining rig was parked on the following node and still is atm http://203.219.14.204:9332  But after this little test it will NOT be on the P2 network for much longer as the earnings were down by over 40 percent on the rigs expected earn Smiley  With this I can go back even further with the data to the 30 oct when I 1st hit the p2 pool and it even worst the payout numbers as the rig got through it 1st couple days to charge up the PPLNS.. (so 16 days worth of data)

BAN paid 0.125996332 for the 11 days an avg of 0.011454212 a day

the expected earn for 820 g is 0.01041292 btc a day

I think results speak for themselves and the P2 users may want to look very close at their payouts and compare them to other pools before shooting off in other pools threads in future and make sure their own pool backyard is paying users out correct to their expected rigs earnings before shooting off and NOT 40 percent DOWN on it Smiley   As this was a very surprising result to see how far off the actual payout VS the expected was OUT

Just for people that do not know P2 uses a PPLNS payout plan for payments

Have fun trolls explaining how the p2 pool payouts balance out over time as this was no means a short test...  Smiley and here are these clowns trying to label BAN a scam lol...    I would say a pool that paying 40 percent lower than a rigs expected earn is a scam Smiley  As and be highlighted by some research on the above btc address and node and the P2 pool block hits Smiley

11 days is an incredibly short test.

It gets worst the numbers if I had looked at the whole 16 days the rig been parked there (close to 3 weeks) as the test rig hit the p2pool from the 30th of oct on the above btc address ...   it would be about 45 percent down at a guess with out adding the numbers up <<<<   I was kind to them and allow the 1 st 5 days as days to build up the PPLNS side...

I have to say the test results even shocked me as I was NOT expecting the payouts to be that low 5-10 percent yes and you could put that down to luck etc but been 45-50 percent down there something majorly flawed in the P2 system and it payouts and share system to be seeing results where a rig is earning about 50-55 percent of it expected earn

No, you actually didn't compare them correctly.
You have to take into consideration way more than just how much BTC you made.

Again, if it was compared to my pool over the last 10 days, no other pool could beat it.
Does that mean anything?
Yes, it means the luck on a non PPS pool has to be taken into account correctly - completely ignoring it is ignorance of what you are doing and means your results are meaningless.
The results are effectively a lie because they imply something that is false.
They imply that someone should expect a result that doesn't match the true expected result.
It's actually a complete failure of understanding the statistics that determine the true expected payout that you expect to average.

Did you also take into consideration that the payout received on a PPLNS pool may continue after you stop mining?
On PPS it stops. On PPLNS it depends on the N and the luck.
On DGM it also continues after you stop mining.

Yes I have factored all the above in there NO WAY if I stop now on P2 it would NOT recover the 45-50 percent the rig down after mining on there for 16 days .....   ON a pplns plan that is over a DAY as the payouts would continue for only 1 day or till their 4000 odd shares are hit :)   There is no way that would recover the 40-45 percent the rig down maybe 5- 10 yes but NOT 40-45 percent

Also how long does a test need to be as MOST other pools are in and around that 100 percent mark (expected rigs earn) within a week (+/- 10 percent for block luck)....    NOT 40-45 percent down after nearly 3 weeks of testing ....    You can park on any pool with around 2ph plus hash rate  and NOT have the results that have shown here in this p2 pool test which is sitting on 4 ph ...   weather it ghash slush yours btc guild bitminer etc   AS ABOVE this result even surprised me here with this p2 test

It seems to me a person would not want to do testing between pools from one difficulty change to another as it would not be a fair comparison.

LULZ @ the BAN shill fire000.......

They must be getting desperate to resurrect that account:  :D :D







So, did your Lawyers serve those papers? How's it working out for you?  :D :D

Nut job.

LOL @ fire000. You are 100%, certifiably crazy. I don't think ANYONE on this forum would possibly dispute that. I truly feel sorry for you, and I hope you aren't older than 12 or 13.

Oh I see one of the p2 trolls popped in the payouts are pretty damning when EVERY OTHER BTC POOL IS MURDERING the payouts from the P2 pool...   Ps up to day 17 and well the rigs are down to 50 percent of their expected earn will leave them there for another 13 days to pull a full month of data BUT can not see it doing A MAJOR BACKFLIP IN them 13 days to get the rigs in and around their expected earn for the 30 days....    ATM I am guess it will be down at lower then 50 percent of their earn.....    GREAT LOOK for these p2 trolls going around slamming other pools and and plugging the p2 pool to people when it paying at less than 50 percent of a rigs expected earn....    

Been saying for months the P2 pool system is stuffed in it set up and the data is quite clearly show this...   And the way it scamming it users as the payout numbers and data show quite clear....     It there in black and white and the data trail getting longer with each day :)

Ah yes, King BAN Troll fire000.....your morbid fixation with p2pool continues I see  ::). How is your scam accusation going against the p2pool network? Did your imaginary Lawyer serve papers on them as well yet? Or are you too busy with the UN Human Rights panel organising a peace keeping force....... :D :D :D

LOL I think data and numbers speak for themsleves here on the p2pool   Lets see up to day 18 now and it NOW RUNNING AT LESS THAN 50 percent the rigs EXPECTED EARN I would call that a scam wouldn't you that a pool is paying out 50 percent under a rigs expected earn OR a majorally flawed payout system which is the case in the P2 set up :)....    And each passing day the numbers are getting worst :)   and the numbers and data just keeps getting longer and longer on the above BTC address and node etc....   BUT then again you would not KNOW what facts and data are given your track record of baseless FUD :)

 ??? Words fail me......

Your inane & unintelligible ramblings make other BAN shills look mildly clever. You should post your amusing & misguided p2pool hate rhetoric on your p2pool scam accusation thread where it belongs, so that it can be ignored along with your other explosions of verbal diarrhoea - link below in case you've forgotten where it is:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=786309.0

Or you can post on the p2pool thread of course - I'm sure they will have a laugh about it with you, before kicking you off again.....and again  ::)

S0br really played his ace letting you out your cage....... :D

As someone who has followed this libelous tour de force (somewhat quietly) since before ....Really? ::) and his many alts came on scene I can say that assaults of this breadth and ferocity usually have a trail of breadcrumbs leading back to one of the proverbial 7 Deadly Sins, i.e. mammon. 

Is it just me or does anyone else get an inkling of broad, high level collusion on a grand, almost antitrust like scale?

 -Who profits directly or indirectly from BAN being marginalized?

 -Do the profit strings resulting from BAN defamation cross those of this forum?

 -How many alts does the person behind ....Really? :o actually have?

 -Why does striking evidence of a mod going thoroughly sour only produce more BAN attacks?

Just questions for informational purposes only. There does however seem to be a decidedly insufficient level of "like-minded" historical behavior directed towards other pools. When Legends move in unison, you have to ask yourself why... The evidence of BAN improprieties noted in this forum since August '14 does not offer sufficient cause for this to happen, IMO.

Follow the money gentlemen/ladies, if it doesn't lead to the truth, it will lead to who murdered the truth.

Now back to shadow mode for a few months to allow the Anti-BAN alts to attack the shadows. I know you ....Really? and friends. I know who you are and what you are about. Bitcoin is new and fresh, but your false message and contrived insult is as old as the sunrise.

The views and opinion expressed in this post are solely those of this BAN shill/noob and do not necessarily represent or reflect the views or opinions of this website or its sponsors, its agents, and their respective licensees, successors, or assigns.

Hello s0br mcdougle,

You have posted 29 times with this account, 27 of which are in BAN threads - that's 93% of your posts with this account. Try and use an account that you haven't used for a while & that hasn't got a history of only BAN posts next time, if you have any left that is...... ::)

You're pathetic.

I have used BAN for months and although there have been some payout issues due to site upgrades opening tickets with them have always resolved the issue.

I have since moved most of my miners to P2Pool for ethical reasons and cause I like maintaining my own node but my Tube Miners (which don't work on P2Pool) are still happily hashing there and giving the expected payout.

Do I understand why BAN offers such good rates? No. But have they been fraudulent so far? Nope. Unstable at times but seriously the payouts have been consistent and demonstrably fair except for a few incidences when there were issues (which were disclosed publicly).

If I like to use BAN's mining pool, does that make me a BAN shill or BANster?

LoL yup. You will also be accused of not being able to do basic math. But heck the payments keep coming every two hours.

When someone says that 1% out of 25 bitcoins is 40%, what would you call it? A math professor?

Luckily everyone can see through a lie like that. It's worse with the things that are believable to newbies and confuse the hell out of them. It's a good thing I don't run Bitcointalk. I would wear out the ban hammer.  ;D

I have never made such a remark, but have been accused of not able to comprehend basic math due to the fact that I mine at BAN and the pool can not keep paying the 10% bonus forever. (Even though nobody can show where the pool  ever said they will pay the bonus forever). All I do know is the pool does pay me every 2 hours and the pool did send me a winning S3 miner from the drawing.

Ah, I thought you were referring to something else in this thread.

fair enough

Although I do not know to what discussion you refer, you seem more than willing to step out of the shadows of tenure and take a pugnacious swing at the closest passer by.   So, uhh, what's a guy to do(?), litigatis , i pugnam and I'll point out where you put the dunce cap on and walked right past the painfully oblious reason for the Forrest Gump stat.

If anyone ever said "1% out of 25 bitcoins is 40%", absolutely no one with an intellect equal to or greater than Forrest Gump's would think that statement is a lie. The math in that statement could not hide anything because it makes no sense at all. You can not use gibberish to deceive; the deceiving premise in fact must mean something for it to be incorrectly considered anything.

The statement above must find harbor in one of the following:
1. It was never said
2. What was said was miss quoted
3. Whoever said it was so delirious that when he thought apple, he said Elvis is alive!
4. The statement was uttered by everyone's favorite Forrest Gump like celebrity, the master of "throw it and see if it sticks", and the only person to have more alts than Sibil, none other than .....Really? the Super Shill!
5. Dr. Haribo hasn't been out of the lab since 1999.

Lol .....Really? and his alts are really gonna get their panties in a bunch this time. The boy's skin is as thin as a genuine egg roll wrapper.

(...Ready on the right? Ready on the left? All ready on the firing line. Shooters, you may commence firing now that your target has appeared...)

He was referring to the math prodigy known as cyberpiony, who has no clue how PPLNS works and therefor assumes it's a scam even though most PPLNS pools offer the statistics needed for any user to audit how their reward was calculated if they have the desire to do so (and a functional brain).


cyberpiony (to DrHaribo): "So tell me respected leader in pools and software developments what is the real need for any pool to have to make 40% or more of the BTC per block mined in order to be a truly profitable pool?"

Obviously he didn't say" 1% of 25 bitcoins is 40%", but based on the rest of cyberpiony's posts (and that one in particular, located on page 2), it definitely read like it was directed at his pool (Bitminter, which runs PPLNS @ 1% fee).

mcdougle, I'm not stepping out of the shadows from being in the lab since 1999. I'm actually active on bitcointalk almost every day and have been for three and a half years. So I don't know where that is coming from.

Am I taking "a pugnacious swing at the closest passer by"? I wanted to say two things:

1. PPLNS pools do not take 40% of the mining income. Obviously a zero-fee pool that also pays out transaction fees will be paying out 100% of the mining income, so it cannot be keeping 40%.

2. It's ok to ask questions if something strange and unusual is going on. If people tell you to shut up or only give you nonsense answers that intend to confuse you, that's a good reason to become more skeptical than you already were.

People post things that make bitcointalk a bad and unfriendly environment, and full of lies that confuse people who are new to mining and new to bitcoin.

Maybe people are allowed to act like assholes. But I am also allowed to take pugnacious swings at assholes. Any time I feel like it.

Any yet ...
Read the comment below from the fool cyberpinoy where he DID say that.

Oh the wonderful Kano, Mr no one can pay 10% bonuses beasue its a lie and its impossible, but then turns around andsays he can pay 300% earnings to his loyal members. I   ahhh......... i was just skimmming thru, and you had to bring my name up didnt you. So what is it, are you mad because I am not afraid to call your bluff and show your members how rich they are making you, is that what gets under your skin? For those of you who honestly think a PPLNS pool was not so profitable and really makes 0% because it says they have a 0% fees please ask yourself why do so many pools use that system? If it was not profitable how could they pay their website fees, how could they be able to keep things running? It does have a 0% fee and a 40% or probably more like CEX.io profit margin tho.

Forget thier idiocized math and calculations, take how many shares were put into a block that the pool has paid on, X number of shares times whatever their payout is per share, then ad all the shares up from all the miners that got paid on one of their paid shifts, subtract that number from 25 BTC and you have your PPLNS profit margin. CEX.io makes 21.7 BTC per block when all of their members combined only get paid 3.3 BTC per block solved and that was on 60PHS of power during the time I did that calculation( which was based on my earnings from my machines I had pointed there). The ONLY time a PPLNS pool is not drastically profitable is if they would solve 2 or 3 blocks per payout shift but much like CEX when things like that happen you see funny unexplainable results for your equipment pointed there.

40% was an estimated guess based on my calculations done by CEX.io and to be honest I would bet its higher than that.

CEX.io is not a mining pool, it's a mining rental service with huge maintenance fees. I have yet to see a PPLNS pool with maintenance fees.

It looks like your issue is with cloud mining, not PPLNS.

CEX.io is more of an exchange now rather than a mining pool.

It never was a mining pool anyway. But I see what you mean, people buy cloud mining there not to actually mine but hope to sell it to newbies at a higher price.

I've dabbled with Bitcoin Affiliate Network some lately but since the bonus isn't much it might not even be worthy continuing mining on the pool... Back to Slush for a bit?

Now then.........



Come on s0br/ThePhwner & all your fake alises - bring it on. Tell me I was wrong  ::)

STAY AWAY FROM THIS SCAMMING THIEVING LYING POOL!!!

WTF is that all about ???

Maybe blackarrow should have tried the BAN irc room instead, seeing as s0br has been ignoring his own pool thread for over 2 months now, despite regularly logging on.

Deja-vu?....... :D :D :D

So BAN are using hardware they haven't paid for to mine their own pool?

Why would anybody believe this from ONE FedEx proof of delivery to SOMEBODY in Las Vegas. It was not signed by s0br (Gil) and we have no idea what this one package had in it?

Just asking a question about something that had been posted that's all. Doesn't bother me one bit I'm still mining here and getting paid so I'm happy whatever ;).

when was your last payout?
mine was almost a week ago.

My last payment received was about 1.5 hours ago (its set to payout every 2 hours).

I had a payment yesterday in full as I ran 1 S3 miner there to check on payments.

So they've been down for 12+ hours.. stolen merchandise related  ???

I doubt it but I think payments will be a little longer than the normal week or so... :P

It looks like it's trying to come back to life now.. stratum servers are giving work and the website came back, for a minute.. logged in and it died again..

I seen that too.... I hope all the queue payout information did not get loss.

So far (to my knowledge) they have never not paid anything out, even if it takes a while.. I just hope it get's back up soon.. got a bunch of rented miners not making what they should right now  :-\

Looks like there was a data center hardware failure, it's slowly coming back online now. IRC #bitaffnet..

Pretty sure this pool is gonna die soon. They are only 385 BTC behind in payments, owing me (0.57BTC), and havn't made a payment since 4/25. Needless to say I've officially moved on.

If you ask in the chat, they pay out pretty quickly... just behind from not getting many blocks lately... but they have always paid me...

What is the deal of not being able to find any blocks lately? ???
Sad to see Bitcoinaffiliate off line ?

seemed like they were always the poor kid that tried to be mucho and then never got any respect, long story short.

Those who didn't bail from there were owed for the mining efforts, big time. 

Im owed about $80 from them.

I had $40 when their MySQL server crashed.

And 2 times I was skipped on payouts for about $25 each..

Anybody owed anything at this point is their own fault as there was plenty of time and warnings as the payouts got further behind. I pulled out and received after a wait all that was owed me other than a few Doge coins.

What happened to BAN was exactly what was predicted: it failed.  There was no way the pool could operate as it was advertised.  It was simply an unsustainable model.  Time and time again it was posted that BAN could not continue, yet people continued to mine there.  Oh well.  Hopefully those miners have learned their lessons.

the extra 10% was good while it lasted. most of us got out before losing payments. Definately learned my lesson - go for the highest paying pool at the moment!

See... the funny thing about your statement is that it was proved absolutely wrong.  BAN claimed they had the highest paying pool, yet I showed that during the entire time of BAN's existence, had you mined on p2pool you would have done better.

I've been waiting 4 days for my payment from bitcoinaffiliatenetwork although my account is set to pay every 2 hours. I also sent a ticket 4 days ago and reminders every day. Complete radio silence.

WTF bitcoinaffiliatenetwork? Another scam?

LOL... you're just noticing that now?  Here's a bit of friendly advice: take your miners off the pool.  The longer you keep them there, the more you're going to lose.

I bailed out and did just about what you did.

While I made out okay with them they ended up being really bad.

Over 6 months no pay, revamped the site but made sure chat and support is turned off.
Still owed for mining done, with B.A.N. .

yep and now my balance is missing.. I check in every now and then...they owe me .41xxxxx BTC for months! Now, no record on their end.. still no chat or contact availability... I can't even tell them they are a$$holes.. I hope when the operators of that pool die, it's slow and painful.  As if you couldn't tell, I do not appreciate thievery.  >:(

You had plenty of warning toward the end.

i pulled outathere way before the warnings on here...that's how old this balance is...or was..