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Title: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: TheBitMan on May 25, 2012, 09:11:19 PM New site name!
http://bitmint.weebly.com/ Title: Re: MiniBits Update! (Larger amounts now added!) Post by: TheBitMan on May 28, 2012, 03:02:36 AM refilled and updated!
Title: Re: MiniBits - Buy micro amounts of Bitcoin with PayPal Post by: Tittiez on May 29, 2012, 10:13:26 AM A bit on the expensive side.
Title: Re: MiniBits - Buy micro amounts of Bitcoin with PayPal Post by: NothinG on May 29, 2012, 10:27:17 AM A bit on the expensive side. Depends on how desperate one would be to buy BTC in PP.Title: Re: MiniBits - Buy micro amounts of Bitcoin with PayPal Post by: Tittiez on May 29, 2012, 10:29:16 AM Depends on how desperate one would be to buy BTC in PP. Well, good point I guess.Title: Re: MiniBits - Buy micro amounts of Bitcoin with PayPal Post by: Clipse on May 29, 2012, 06:04:59 PM 100% markup, nize!
Title: Re: MiniBits - Buy micro amounts of Bitcoin with PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on May 29, 2012, 07:01:53 PM 100% markup, nize! Supply and demand ;DI run the only legit site I know that sells btc with paypal and I need to make a profit... Title: Re: MiniBits - Buy micro amounts of Bitcoin with PayPal or Credit Card Post by: TheBitMan on May 30, 2012, 11:27:56 PM Adding higher amounts soon since the most purchased is .30 btc
Title: Re: MiniBits - Buy micro amounts of Bitcoin with PayPal or Credit Card Post by: TheBitMan on June 03, 2012, 01:19:08 AM I had no idea PayPal stops you from making more than 4 purchases sometimes. I may increase the amount of btc you can buy soon.
Title: Re: MiniBits - Buy micro amounts of Bitcoin with PayPal or Credit Card Post by: caston on June 03, 2012, 01:20:54 AM consider adding support for https://pygg.co/
Title: Re: MiniBits - Buy micro amounts of Bitcoin with PayPal or Credit Card Post by: TheBitMan on June 03, 2012, 01:24:23 AM consider adding support for https://pygg.co/ Good idea, says it's only available in Australia right now. I'm in the U.S.Title: Re: Buy And Sell Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on June 05, 2012, 09:57:42 PM You can now buy amounts up to 2.00 BTC at a time.
Title: Re: Buy And Sell Bitcoins With PayPal (Changed name) Post by: TheBitMan on June 05, 2012, 10:10:20 PM Since we don't only sell mini bitcoins anymore here's a more appropriate name
http://bitmint.weebly.com/ Title: Re: Buy And Sell Bitcoins With PayPal (Changed name) Post by: Bitcoin Oz on June 06, 2012, 10:09:24 AM Since we don't only sell mini bitcoins anymore here's a more appropriate name http://bitmint.weebly.com/ Any reason there is a scrollbar on the side of your site ? Title: Re: Buy And Sell Bitcoins With PayPal (Changed name) Post by: TheBitMan on June 06, 2012, 10:55:36 AM Since we don't only sell mini bitcoins anymore here's a more appropriate name http://bitmint.weebly.com/ Any reason there is a scrollbar on the side of your site ? Title: Re: Buy And Sell Bitcoins With PayPal (Changed name) Post by: TheBitMan on June 27, 2012, 12:13:22 AM big updates coming soon!
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy And Sell Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on June 27, 2012, 08:51:09 PM Full update is now complete. Lowered price per coin and new way to sell!
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy And Sell Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: antares on June 27, 2012, 09:36:21 PM how can I buy from a country that doesnt allow send as gift(applies here in germany for example, the option simply isnt there)
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy And Sell Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on June 27, 2012, 10:17:04 PM how can I buy from a country that doesnt allow send as gift(applies here in germany for example, the option simply isnt there) I have had that problem with another person from Germany. I will PM you.Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy And Sell Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on June 28, 2012, 06:35:31 PM im thinking of taking the selling feature down, not many people sell to the site.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: xxaudioxx on July 01, 2012, 02:21:52 PM I have the same situation. I just received a Paypal Claim for the Btc i sold to him 2 weeks ago... :(
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 02:26:19 PM PayPal limited my account I'll take a screenshot..
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 02:31:09 PM They even opened up cases of money I sent myself to my other account..http://i47.tinypic.com/209gdp4.jpg
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 02:44:07 PM And here are only a small amount of the cases paypal opened up..not me I blocked out the peoples names,amounts and transaction id for privacy
http://i47.tinypic.com/1262uci.jpg Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 02:45:16 PM How do I respond and what do I tell paypal?
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 02:47:18 PM How do I respond and what do I tell paypal? CRAP, CRAP, CRAP.First do not respond with ANYTHING yet! Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 02:50:58 PM How do I respond and what do I tell paypal? CRAP, CRAP, CRAP.First do not respond with ANYTHING yet! First, please tell me how many charge backs YOU recieved during the operation of your business. By that I mean before this shitstorm how many times, when you SOLD BTC did you get a chargeback (loss) in your business? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 02:55:14 PM Well that being said I won't request scammer tag yet. Don't rush, figure it out, and repay me (and others) in full and it won't reflect bad on you. I can't pay you guys back it says waiting on other party for some. What's your paypal name?Crap this is why I never accept PP. I broke my rule and look what happens. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 02:58:47 PM How do I respond and what do I tell paypal? CRAP, CRAP, CRAP.First do not respond with ANYTHING yet! First, please tell me how many charge backs YOU recieved during the operation of your business. By that I mean before this shitstorm how many times, when you SOLD BTC did you get a chargeback (loss) in your business? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 03:01:26 PM How do I respond and what do I tell paypal? CRAP, CRAP, CRAP.First do not respond with ANYTHING yet! First, please tell me how many charge backs YOU recieved during the operation of your business. By that I mean before this shitstorm how many times, when you SOLD BTC did you get a chargeback (loss) in your business? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 03:02:47 PM The only action I can take is on purchases paypal wont let me do anything with selling..
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 03:08:23 PM someone told me to put in digital goods sale if someone ever charged me back so it might be the same scenario.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 03:18:33 PM Does anyone have any actual real world experience in this situation? I believe PP found out TheBitMan was dealing BTC as a business and has swooped in to shut him down. nothing yet, this might be a stupid questions but do you think everyone at paypal is aware that bitcoin is against the tos?TheBitMan, has any of your 10 suppliers answered the PP email yet? I believe you may be able to see a difference in the status. Like yes the seller has responded to their inquiry. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: mcorlett on July 01, 2012, 03:19:11 PM Does anyone have any actual real world experience in this situation? https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=2555.msg101084#msg101084Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 03:21:18 PM I have to go mobile soon but I will be on my phone taking care of things, just might take a little longer to respond.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 03:56:01 PM Since the payments were sent as gifts/personal payment I am responding as "none of the above". I see this as a personal debt between me & TheBitMan. someone else i sold to calle paypal abd they said all i have to do is verify it was a gift and you can get your money..I also agree with BurtW. I would prefer repayment of the $190 via BTC or some non-PayPal method. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: redrobin on July 01, 2012, 04:00:21 PM No, you have to call paypal and verify that YOU sent the money. This is all on your end they need to speak to YOU
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 04:23:26 PM im on hold now with them im saying it was gift
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 04:28:43 PM the lady said they did this because i dont have a proper amount of info on my account they said they will unhold all the money once i give them A LOT of info..not 18 so idk how a drivers license would work out. they also want info on my bussiness
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: redrobin on July 01, 2012, 04:36:18 PM All they want to do is verify your account. You're not even paypal verified. Just get verified and tell them they were a gift. Of course they'd want ID. Tell em you have no business.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Raoul Duke on July 01, 2012, 04:36:24 PM the lady said they did this because i dont have a proper amount of info on my account they said they will unhold all the money once i give them A LOT of info..not 18 so idk how a drivers license would work out. they also want info on my bussiness I suggest you do NOT tell them you buy and sell virtual money. Do not mention Bitcoins. But, having said that I do not know what to actually tell them. You might try telling them it is not a business account ???Anyway, you may need to get your parents involved? Can/Will they help you out? You should be able to have a verified PayPal account without a driver's license. Many adults do not have a license so there must be other things you can provide (Passport, etc). I don't have a drivers license and I have 3 fully verified paypal accounts, 2 personal and 1 business, so yeah, passport/ID card also works. They also ask for a proof of address. A bank letter works to verify the address, unlike on MtGox lol Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 04:44:10 PM so i will link my bank account or something and i will tell them they were gifts
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Raoul Duke on July 01, 2012, 04:47:33 PM so i will link my bank account or something and i will tell them they were gifts Linking a bank account will only raise your yearly limit to €2500/$3500. Now they will probably want your ID and proof of residence also, if they already limited it. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 04:53:49 PM i will try and fix everything once i get back to my computer later today
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 04:59:35 PM does anyone know what will make my account verified? paypal has a huge list of things i dont wanna add inportant stuff and they say im still unverified..
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: redrobin on July 01, 2012, 05:03:18 PM Yeah your ID, address and bank account info. Just get verified and give out all the money you owe. You can always get a new account. You shouldn't be worried about giving paypal your DL# when you have thousands of dollars out in limbo.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 05:09:57 PM Yeah your ID, address and bank account info. Just get verified and give out all the money you owe. You can always get a new account. You shouldn't be worried about giving paypal your DL# when you have thousands of dollars out in limbo. how about ssn instead all that becuase i dont have a license..and my account is my name not my parentsTitle: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 01, 2012, 05:11:43 PM https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/terms-outside
II. User Responsibilities As of January 1, 2002, you must be at least 18 years of age to register for an account and use the Service. Additionally, if your credit report reflects an unacceptable level of risk, you will not be eligible to use the service. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Raoul Duke on July 01, 2012, 05:12:36 PM https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/terms-outside II. User Responsibilities As of January 1, 2002, you must be at least 18 years of age to register for an account and use the Service. Additionally, if your credit report reflects an unacceptable level of risk, you will not be eligible to use the service. Let's hope he registered his account before that date, then ;) Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 01, 2012, 05:13:29 PM This one is for you Psy.
"No Multiple Accounts. Should you register for more than one Personal Account, PayPal reserves the right to terminate all of your accounts and will restrict you from the system going forward. Users may register and hold one Personal Account and either one Premier or one Business Account." ;D Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Raoul Duke on July 01, 2012, 05:23:31 PM This one is for you Psy. "No Multiple Accounts. Should you register for more than one Personal Account, PayPal reserves the right to terminate all of your accounts and will restrict you from the system going forward. Users may register and hold one Personal Account and either one Premier or one Business Account." ;D Reading that carefully, I'm within their terms, 1 Personal account in my name, 1 Premier account also on my name, and 1 Business account in the name of my company. I should also note that the Personal and Premier accounts are in 2 different countries, each one verified with my ID from each of the countries ;) Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 01, 2012, 05:24:41 PM Well hopefully someone can advise TheBitman on how to get successfully verified!
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 05:26:55 PM ifit helps i have a premier...the one everyone is involved with then a personal i made a few days ago with no money idc about the personal
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Raoul Duke on July 01, 2012, 05:27:49 PM Well hopefully someone can advise TheBitman on how to get successfully verified! He just needs to do what they ask. Nothing more to it. Add a valid Credit Card and/or bank account and upload scans of his DL/ID/Passport and proof of residence. ifit helps i have a premier...the one everyone is involved with then a personal i made a few days ago with no money idc about the personal Did you mess the punctuation and you mean you older account, the premier, is the one where this mess is happening? Re-read that sentence 5 times and can't still figure that out lol Also, sending or receiving too many gifts on a Premier account is suspicious, as Premier accounts are for persons who do business in their own name. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: redrobin on July 01, 2012, 05:42:48 PM How to get verified by paypal. "He just needs to do what they ask. Nothing more to it.
Add a valid Credit Card and/or bank account and upload scans of his DL/ID/Passport and proof of residence." It's that EASY. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 05:44:35 PM How to get verified by paypal. "He just needs to do what they ask. Nothing more to it. it's not easy at all im not 18. so i have no id no passport and no dl only a bank account and a prepaid visaAdd a valid Credit Card and/or bank account and upload scans of his DL/ID/Passport and proof of residence." It's that EASY. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 05:45:24 PM the premier is what i am having the big problem with
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Raoul Duke on July 01, 2012, 05:57:13 PM How to get verified by paypal. "He just needs to do what they ask. Nothing more to it. it's not easy at all im not 18. so i have no id no passport and no dl only a bank account and a prepaid visaAdd a valid Credit Card and/or bank account and upload scans of his DL/ID/Passport and proof of residence." It's that EASY. You have no ID? Since when? Where do you live, man? Somalia? lol In any civilized country you'll need to have an ID card. So, scan that ID card, scan a letter from your bank, can be a pdf taken from your internet banking as long as it holds your address, and upload the scans on their site, and add that bank account to Paypal. And, redrobin, yes, it's that EASY. If he sends them the stuff, the ID verification probably will be enough to take out the limitation of the paypal account, and that takes 24hrs or less. The bank account verification is usually done in 3 or 4 business days, sometimes less. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 05:59:14 PM How to get verified by paypal. "He just needs to do what they ask. Nothing more to it. it's not easy at all im not 18. so i have no id no passport and no dl only a bank account and a prepaid visaAdd a valid Credit Card and/or bank account and upload scans of his DL/ID/Passport and proof of residence." It's that EASY. You have no ID? Since when? Where do you live, man? Somalia? lol In any civilized country you'll need to have an ID card. So, scan that ID card, scan a letter from your bank, can be a pdf taken from your internet banking as long as it holds your address, and add that bank account to Paypal. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 01, 2012, 06:01:06 PM On Monday, go to your bank with some ID (your account is in your name??). Have them notarize a letter with your physical address and your bank account number and fax/mail that to Paypal. That may work.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 01, 2012, 06:03:13 PM Although I'm sure that if you account is under investigation paypal is probably reading these posts. A simple google search of any of your emails leads to you trading active here and on your sites.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Raoul Duke on July 01, 2012, 06:04:58 PM my permit is coming soon but it says my birthday the problem now is that im under 18 I think the real question now is: Did you open the account before or after January 1, 2012? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 01, 2012, 06:12:29 PM 2002! He was 7!
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: redrobin on July 01, 2012, 06:20:50 PM No DL no passport nothing and under 18. wtf
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 06:31:25 PM No DL no passport nothing and under 18. wtf TheBitMan: Please tell us that you get along with at least one of your parents well enough to talk to them about this and get them to help you out of this mess.Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: redrobin on July 01, 2012, 06:35:17 PM The concern isn't your DL situation. It's the reversed transactions.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 06:36:56 PM The concern isn't your DL situation. paypal said once i verify everything the money will be unheld so i need a way to verify other than dl passport etcTitle: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: chungenhung on July 01, 2012, 06:50:44 PM I spoke to paypal.
The worse that will happen is all the funds will be going back to the original payment that BitMint uses. In that case, BitMint can send us the money using other methods, such as ACH direct deposit, Money order, Dwolla, etc. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 07:03:14 PM i am going to enter my ssn when i get home what i want to know is, is that all i need or will they ask me for more?
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Philj on July 01, 2012, 07:06:02 PM Add me to the list of people that have money on hold from selling BTC to TheBitMint. I'll happily accept the BTC that I sold you if this paypal thing goes south.
I can't wait until we as a community can get 100% away from this paypal shit. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Tittiez on July 01, 2012, 07:07:03 PM Can't you convince your parents to get you an ID? You don't need to be 18 to get an ID. Then scan the ID, block your birth day, red under 18 message, and under 21 notices out, then send it in.
Of course if you set the account to somewhere between 18 and 21 you can leave the under 21 notice on the ID. Some states don't even put under 18 messages on them anyway. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Philj on July 01, 2012, 07:12:49 PM Do you still have the BTC available to refund some/all of the people you dealt with? Just asking in the event that paypal takes too long, or the USD shows back up in your account.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 07:16:59 PM i dont see how an id will work, if i block my birthday they will know im tryibg to hide something, as for paying back everyone thats A LOT of money that i simply dont have you have to realize that the anount i sent you isnt what i made back off it the profit alone cant pay everyone back
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 07:19:26 PM Paypal is not going to verify you. You're under 18 you have no bank account or ID. The people you traded with weren't aware you were a kid. Do you plan on repaying with bitcoins or what? i have no bitcoins of my own i only have what i buy with paypal i have said before that i am a teenager multiple times, i have a bank account and a ssn thats all i have to offer to verify i dont see gow thats not good enoughTitle: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Tittiez on July 01, 2012, 07:20:03 PM i dont see how an id will work, if i block my birthday they will know im tryibg to hide something, as for paying back everyone thats A LOT of money that i simply dont have you have to realize that the anount i sent you isnt what i made back off it the profit alone cant pay everyone back Well what other choice do you have? Its worth trying am I right? Just make it look inconspicuous, use a black box to hide some information, and have it just cover the birthday information. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 07:20:39 PM So, you ran a scam and people aren't getting paid back? how is it a scam if i ge tbarely nothing out of it,everyone knows paypal is a risk and i am trying my best to get everyone there money backTitle: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 07:21:31 PM i dont see how an id will work, if i block my birthday they will know im tryibg to hide something, as for paying back everyone thats A LOT of money that i simply dont have you have to realize that the anount i sent you isnt what i made back off it the profit alone cant pay everyone back The money is not "gone" it is just tied up. Everyone stay calm. We will get the money back eventually.Please answer the parent question directly: are they an option? So, you ran a scam and people aren't getting paid back? Let's not start the whole scam thing. He is obviously trying to work this out. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 07:22:52 PM You got over 800 dollars out of me alone. How can you say that's barely "nothing." the money is held its not mine, i didnt get anything out of youTitle: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Philj on July 01, 2012, 07:23:38 PM so, lets assume the payments get reversed. You now have all that USD in your account. Options (least fees to most fees): check, money order, buy BTC and send, Dwolla, certified check, wire transfer, Western Union.
My preference would be to just get back the BTC that I sent you. What state/country are you located in? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 07:25:24 PM so, lets assume the payments get reversed. You now have all that USD in your account. Options (least fees to most fees): check, money order, buy BTC and send, Dwolla, certified check, wire transfer, Western Union. USMy preference would be to just get back the BTC that I sent you. What state/country are you located in? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Tittiez on July 01, 2012, 07:26:02 PM I got fed up with Paypal a long time ago and switched to Google Checkout for processing payments. I'm much happier now.
I had a Walmart Moneycard hooked up to my paypal account and accidentally charged the temporary card shortly after it expired and they blocked my bank account and put my account under investigation and set it to limited. They asked for a fax of payments I have done with the bank account, which I don't have because its just the bank hooked up to the damn WalmartCard, its all online. I didn't feel like sitting through a few months of bitching with their terrible support. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Tittiez on July 01, 2012, 07:30:23 PM Tell your parents you owe lots of people thousands of dollars worth of money, its being held by Paypal because of suspicions, and your under 18 so you shouldn't have an account in the first place. Have them call in, explain the same to the rep, and maybe they can work something out.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Philj on July 01, 2012, 07:31:24 PM so, lets assume the payments get reversed. You now have all that USD in your account. Options (least fees to most fees): check, money order, buy BTC and send, Dwolla, certified check, wire transfer, Western Union. Philj - you know how this works, you do not have the money, he does not have the money, PayPal has the money.My preference would be to just get back the BTC that I sent you. What state/country are you located in? I was more speaking of when paypal does end up reversing the funds. They can't seize the funds permanently, they can only let them go through or reverse the transactions, at which point something can be done outside of paypal. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: redrobin on July 01, 2012, 07:34:17 PM You owe thousands of dollars, I don't think you grasp that concept.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 07:35:50 PM i will respond to everything once i get home again i am killing my data limit right now,paypal is asking me for like 7 different types of info ssn,bussiness info but if there is no bussiness info how do i prove all that to them??
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 07:40:59 PM You owe thousands of dollars, I don't think you grasp that concept. i don think you graspt the concept that I DONT HAVE YOUR MONEY paypal HELD it. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Tittiez on July 01, 2012, 07:51:17 PM Paypal doesn't have all the coins i sent you. No, people that he sold your coins to have your coins. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Maged on July 01, 2012, 08:55:24 PM I hate to say this, but I told you so...
I need some btc fast through paypal. I have a good rep here and saw your post on someone looking to buy. Can I buy $30.00 worth? Sorry, but if I traded with you, my Paypal account would get banned for sure. I trust you enough to do this, but you're just far too open with what you're doing, and since you will have sent me funds, Paypal will burn me, too.Word of advice: quit while you're ahead. It's great that you've lasted this long, but your run is going to be forcefully ended soon by Paypal. You'll also burn everyone you've bought BTC from with Paypal in the process. That being said... I cash out checks every now and again. I don't really use my paypal for anything else and I wouldn't loose any money because I earned all my btc then just profited off those few coins.. Hmm.... Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 10:37:34 PM did you stop the gambling site ? no it's actually ready but this put that offTitle: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: rdponticelli on July 01, 2012, 10:39:35 PM I can't understand why so many people keep using PP
It's the only way to merchant in the states? Well, people also keeps using windows... Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 10:40:21 PM omg I forgot why i hate paypal so much. This is really bad for me. I was selling GreenBTC's bitcoins to TheBitMan and Using my LLC's Paypal account. Now My Paypal account is negative balance I'm going to call my bank and have them close my checking account that was linked to my paypal account. I'm going to have to try to cancel all item I have sold on ebay but haven't shipped and see if paypal will let me refund a negative balance. I'm just happy I stopped selling BTC for paypal almost two weeks ago or this could be alot worse. I think I'm only in a loss of around $1,000 :( This seems a bit over the top considering you will most likely simply get the money back once he figures out how to verify. I hate paypal and don't trust them for anything too easy to do charge backs and steal your money. As is stands right now my paypal account is negative and because of the temp holds, if the hold aren't reversed they are going to try to withdraw that money from my checking account within 1-2 weeks. Paypal has already stolen 1K from me today, I'm calling tomorrow first thing and closing my checking account that my paypal is linked too to prevent them from stealing another 1K from me. I've lost alot of money thru paypal in the past by scammers and fraud and they will go after you for every penny even when the fraud is against you. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 10:52:45 PM Spoke with paypal again they said I need to show invoices and vendor info??
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 10:56:22 PM I hate paypal and don't trust them for anything too easy to do charge backs and steal your money. PayPal is reversible. No news there. Everyone knows that.As is stands right now my paypal account is negative and because of the temp holds, if the hold aren't reversed they are going to try to withdraw that money from my checking account within 1-2 weeks. It would not be another 1K it would be the same 1K.Paypal has already stolen 1K from me today, I'm calling tomorrow first thing and closing my checking account that my paypal is linked too to prevent them from stealing another 1K from me. I've lost alot of money thru paypal in the past by scammers and fraud and they will go after you for every penny even when the fraud is against you. So true. But again. No news there.Assuming the money goes back to you then your account will no longer be negative. Assuming the money goes back to TheBitMan and then he pays you, are you then going to send the money in to PayPal? Or, are you trying to rip them off? Spoke with paypal again they said I need to show invoices and vendor info?? What happens when you tell them that these were personal payments of money owed?Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 11:21:31 PM If I wait the 6 months will paypal just unlimit it?
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 11:39:25 PM If I wait the 6 months will paypal just unlimit it? You think people are going to wait 6 months? You better tell your parents that you screwed up and people are going to start looking to sue them for the fraud that you have done! Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 01, 2012, 11:40:06 PM If I wait the 6 months will paypal just unlimit it? Assuming this plan also includes borrowing all the money from somewhere (parents?) and paying everyone back first, then maybe. But what made you think that after 6 months PayPal would do this? Did they say anything that would indicate a 6 month wait would accomplish anything? Or, is that how long until your 18th birthday? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: redrobin on July 01, 2012, 11:58:12 PM You should really consider another option. Nobody is waiting 180 days. You can't blame everything on paypal, this a big fuck up on your end. This is a sure form of fraud, that's fact.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 02, 2012, 12:04:03 AM You should really consider another option. Nobody is waiting 180 days. You can't blame everything on paypal, this a big fuck up on your end. This is a sure form of fraud, that's fact. This is as much as my fault is it is yours. Everyone knows this can happen. You were also sending the coins for my site which clearly states "The site also takes no responsibility if money is sent and if my account gets frozen or deleted" Everyone knows the risk of paypal and I am trying my best to help everyone so I would appreciate it if you stopped putting the complete blame on me.Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 02, 2012, 12:13:28 AM 100% blame on you, you're a teenager who has no ID wtf. That alone constitutes fraud on your end. there not asking me for id, no one my age has id other than school id and that would only show paypal im under 18Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 02, 2012, 12:14:15 AM talked to paypal once again we all just have to wait they said it's on line to be reviewed.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: chungenhung on July 02, 2012, 01:34:10 AM OP, you need to give paypal as much info as you can.
On those that you don't have or can't provide, just tell them that. They will then review with what they gather. If you are not doing illegal things, they will lift the frozen funds. I also called them, they said the worse thing that will happen is the money will just go back to where they came from. In this case, back to BitMint. Then he would have the money to send us via other methods. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 02, 2012, 01:40:15 AM OP, you need to give paypal as much info as you can. Thanks for the info when I called them they said they just have to look over the case they said 24 hours but I think it will take longer than that.On those that you don't have or can't provide, just tell them that. They will then review with what they gather. If you are not doing illegal things, they will lift the frozen funds. I also called them, they said the worse thing that will happen is the money will just go back to where they came from. In this case, back to BitMint. Then he would have the money to send us via other methods. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 02, 2012, 03:11:07 AM I never said I wasn't going to pay you guys back. I am waiting for paypals response.
On another note If any of you contact me in anyway other than by this forum, my paypal email or my sites email I will call the police and tell the them you are stalking me. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Tittiez on July 02, 2012, 04:31:20 AM So he fucked up, okay. Give him a few days at least, at least he is trying. He isn't a scammer yet.
Yes he committed fraud, but if he fixes all this then you can all go about your business and this will be over. If nobody does anything rash there is a chance this can be solved in just a few days. Imagine how long court would take you. That won't get you or him anywhere for months. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Tittiez on July 02, 2012, 04:37:40 AM And TheBitMan, I hope you can solve all this. Isn't one of the perks of Bitcoin no age restrictions? Paypal might have been a bad idea on your part though, I must admit. :P
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Raoul Duke on July 02, 2012, 08:18:34 AM I never said I wasn't going to pay you guys back. I am waiting for paypals response. On another note If any of you contact me in anyway other than by this forum, my paypal email or my sites email I will call the police and tell the them you are stalking me. Are you sure you want to go that way? The fact is that you owe all this people a LOT of money. Antagonizing any of them is not the right thing to do and only makes you look bad. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Raoul Duke on July 02, 2012, 11:50:10 AM And TheBitMan, I hope you can solve all this. Isn't one of the perks of Bitcoin no age restrictions? Paypal might have been a bad idea on your part though, I must admit. :P Paypal was only a bad idea because he didn't even have a verified account. And BTW, none of you noticed on the Transaction details that his account was unverified? It's there, in bold letters (The sender of this payment is U.S. - Unverified), right in front of his email address, so I don't understand all of you acting surprised when he said he was unverified. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Philj on July 02, 2012, 12:04:27 PM Chill out some. Give the guy at least a couple of business days to get things figured out. Its pretty clear that paypal's system flagged it on the monthly check they do and no one with the power to fix it is even in the office yet. If he stops working towards a resolution, then take whatever action you want. Until then try to be helpful rather than vengeful. Getting police and a lawyer involved will only slow the process down at this point.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Raoul Duke on July 02, 2012, 12:20:44 PM redrobin, I'm not defending him. And I'm finding rather disturbing the fact that he doesn't want to get help from his parents. Even more disturbing is what he said about complainting to the police if anyone emailed him :-\
What I meant was if I sold some BTC to someone and they paid using Paypal I would certainly not do a 2nd transaction with them as soon as I spotted the Unverified part on the tansaction details as I'm well aware of the limits on payments sent and received imposed on Unverified accounts and also because the name of the person can be completely fake and if they screw me I may not see a single cent back. And I still can't understand how was it that you were surprised that his account was Unverified when all of you had access to that information. (Re-reading the thread it was BurtW who mentioned not knowing his account was Unverified, but I wasn't mentioning you specifically, redrobin) Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: John (John K.) on July 02, 2012, 12:35:45 PM Being unverified doesn't matter. He's not 18 he can't do any business on paypal at all. Read their user agreement. People are suprised he's a child with no ID come on, why are you defedning this kid. He has made no effort at all to repay anyone. Paypal agrees that this is fraud as well. I'm getting the money back through a lawyer -redacted- doesn't seemed concerned with this situation. Just chill out man. Give the person a chance to sort out things before going the extreme route. Do not forget that he's a minor, and hence getting police/lawyers involved will definitely slow or stop things for both of you. Getting the money back through a lawyer would be the last thing you could do now and filing a suit on a minor isn't the brightest thing you could do. Paypal will not agree that he is pulling a fraud on you as you're on the receiving end of the money, not him. The worse thing Paypal would do is returning the money to him, and he can pay you guys easily back via other methods. Paypal will not 'eat' the money up if he has violated the rules - they're legally obligated to return the money to the source. TheBitMan, I remember telling you that dealing in Paypal will get you burned when you started your service a couple months ago. Now that the situation has escalated to here, the last bad thing you could do is to become defensive like: I never said I wasn't going to pay you guys back. I am waiting for paypals response. On another note If any of you contact me in anyway other than by this forum, my paypal email or my sites email I will call the police and tell the them you are stalking me. If anything goes wrong on your end (running away, calling the police and telling they're stalking etc), and someone pulls the plug on you by contacting the lawyer/police, this case will leave a black mark on your records indefinitely. You're required to state your previous court cases and so when you're applying for an university and job. So please sit down, relax and sort this trouble out methodologically. BurtW has offered precious advice - ask him politely via PM/post if you meet with any further problems. Be brave, sit down and have a talk with your parents too - they can bail you out quite easily if they would talk to Paypal on your behalf. Use your real ssn, and give any information that would verify your account with them. And no, I've got a fully verified PayPal account when I was still 15 years old with multiple four digit transactions each month without a hitch - so if you are willing there is no excuses to not verify yourself. I grew up outside the States though, and my local PayPal does not require me to enter a birthday date to verify yourself. Linking to a valid CC and bank account was sufficient. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: John (John K.) on July 02, 2012, 01:15:12 PM He's made no effort at all. I've already filed criminal fraud it being over 500$ makes it a felony, feel bad about the felony part but he hasnt even returned a penny. I plan on also suing his mother, through a lawyer. All fraud criminal charges will be pressed against -redacted-. I don't care if he's a minor that really proves the fraud, his mom can pay what he owes. rebrobin please take this the wrong way. You are an idiot. I recommend you return to your mom's basement. He never committed fraud against you. He never represented he was 18+. He never made any materially inaccurate statements. He did put a disclaimer on the website (the part about being not responsible won't stand btw) so you can't even argue that he mislead you as to the risks. He made a materially misrepresentation against PayPal not you. The $1000 he owed you isn't material in the filing of criminal charges. The alleged fraud involve a misrepresentation as to his identity not the transaction involving you (or me). He bought $1K BTC and paid you with $1K PPUSD. There was no fraud in that transaction. Did you ask his age? Did he lie to you in order to complete the transaction? If not then there is a criminal fraud and you have no standing for a civil suit. As far as a lawsuit. Your posts indicate you have never (not even once in your life) hire legal counsel. You would spend >$1K he owes you on legal costs before this ever got to courtroom. Your best timeframe for a judgement would be 6 to 12 months. No you can't collect anything but ACTUAL DAMAGES. That would be the amount owed plus interest (i.e. saving account interest rate not pirate's interest). Yes -redacted- owes you (and others) money. Someone owing you money who hasn't instantly paid you isn't fraud. You have no case. I honestly hope your weren't so retarded as to file a police report because if you did you all but guaranteed that PayPal will freeze everything involved (likely your own account too) for 6+ months. The Police will do absolutely nothing just like your "lawyer" won't once you find out he wants $200 to $500 per hour just to start looking into the case and you are looking at 5 to 10 hours before a suit is even filed (plus court costs). You are a counterproductive troll. Your actions, rants, and public masturbation won't help the situation. If anything you will scare the stupid kid into never coming back. The situation was easily resolved. a) PayPal allows the tx to stand - Done (doesn't even require them unfreezing his account) b) PayPal freezes the account for 180 days but he (or parents) repay and he gets the funds after 180 days c) (worst option prior to you dumbassery). PayPal freezes the account and he can't/won't pay but we get repaid in 180 days. however you now introduced d) He disappears because you scared the shit out of him. Your Police report and bluff of a lawsuit go nowhere and nobody sees a single cent. I'd like to add something between c and d : C1) PayPal reverts every cent back to his payment source, and he can repay you guys using other methods. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Philj on July 02, 2012, 02:49:38 PM TheBitMan: Just totally ignore redrobin. He has not and will not file a lawsuit. It is all bluster and bluff. In fact, I suggest for your own mental well being put him on your ignore list so you do not have to see his idle threats and counter-productive bullshit. Just stick to the matter at hand. We all (except one idiot) appreciate your efforts at cleaning up this mess. Hang in there and we will work this out together. redrobin: I have read all 31 of your posts and have come to the conclusion you are an noob idiot. Welcome to my ignore list. +1 Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Elwar on July 02, 2012, 04:01:49 PM Just remember, any contract with a minor is null and void.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: madberry on July 02, 2012, 08:43:54 PM He reached 200 transactions which puts him in Paypal's spot light. I believe the many gift transactions might have something to do with it to.
Give BitMint a chance to solve this with paypal. Paypal can take up to 72 hours to resolve cases. If he only provides them with SSN then his age will not be an issue. Unless Paypal by now has been told about his age by him or someone else. Redrobin I understand you pain and for some of us $800 is a lot of money. How ever the dumbest thing you did in this post was revealing transaction numbers which are now search able. Again I can sympathize with you but rethink what you have said above after you have calmed down a bit. I do applaud bitmint's entrepreneurial mind and this will be a great learning experience for him. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Littleshop on July 02, 2012, 10:35:36 PM Any advice on responding to paypals dispute? How are others dealing with it?
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 02, 2012, 10:40:15 PM Any advice on responding to paypals dispute? How are others dealing with it? If they ask say it was just a gift.Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: augustocroppo on July 02, 2012, 11:59:21 PM Any advice on responding to paypals dispute? How are others dealing with it? If they ask say it was just a gift.Funny... I have been dealing with you in the last two weeks and my account was not audited. Yesterday I tried to send you funds and PayPal returned a message indicating that your account is blocked to receive payments. If you are not 18 years old, how much old are you? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 03, 2012, 02:55:32 AM Any advice on responding to paypals dispute? How are others dealing with it? If they ask say it was just a gift.Funny... I have been dealing with you in the last two weeks and my account was not audited. Yesterday I tried to send you funds and PayPal returned a message indicating that your account is blocked to receive payments. If you are not 18 years old, how much old are you? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Maged on July 03, 2012, 07:54:02 AM I do applaud bitmint's entrepreneurial mind and this will be a great learning experience for him. I don't. The only thing I agree with is that he is going to learn that he should really look into why other people aren't also doing something as extremely profitable as this.Paypal to Bitcoin has really gone downhill. First exchanges took it (fee: close to free?), then CoinPal tried (fee: 7%), then tens of other adults that thought that they could get away with it tried (fee: 10-20%), then finally a child tried (fee: 30%) I told him to quit. If he had, he'd have actually left the business with plenty of extra money. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: augustocroppo on July 03, 2012, 01:24:46 PM Any advice on responding to paypals dispute? How are others dealing with it? If they ask say it was just a gift.Funny... I have been dealing with you in the last two weeks and my account was not audited. Yesterday I tried to send you funds and PayPal returned a message indicating that your account is blocked to receive payments. If you are not 18 years old, how much old are you? That is not the answer for what I asked. I asked how old are you, do you understand that? I will wait one more time for you answer. If you cannot answer a simple question like that, you should be out of business. People should not trade with a person which cannot disclose his/her age. Do you understand that? It is nothing personal, it is business. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 03, 2012, 01:31:49 PM Any advice on responding to paypals dispute? How are others dealing with it? If they ask say it was just a gift.Funny... I have been dealing with you in the last two weeks and my account was not audited. Yesterday I tried to send you funds and PayPal returned a message indicating that your account is blocked to receive payments. If you are not 18 years old, how much old are you? That is not the answer for what I asked. I asked how old are you, do you understand that? I will wait one more time for you answer. If you cannot answer a simple question like that, you should be out of business. People should not trade with a person which cannot disclose his/her age. Do you understand that? It is nothing personal, it is business. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 03, 2012, 01:57:13 PM Just got off the phone with paypal and I have an update. The bad news is my account is permanently frozen so yes my days selling and buying are over. The good news is that they have to look into the transactions now and that can take a little bit longer but it looks like you will all get your money back.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 03, 2012, 02:10:58 PM If you have not already go onto paypal, they are waiting for anyone who sold to me to respond. Say it was a gift.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 03, 2012, 04:20:23 PM i thought you were 16 ? , last time you said 15 (1 year ago) so must be 16 now ? my birthday was 2 weeks ago, i dont remember saying i was 15 but i might of lied (at the time i didnt want people knowing my exact age..)Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 03, 2012, 04:23:25 PM i would also like to say someone has been emailing me/callin me and texting me i have been ignoring it all but enough is enough and i have now filed a reporta report with the fcc for harrasment with a minor and if it continues i will then contact the fbis online task force
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Philj on July 03, 2012, 04:33:20 PM i would also like to say someone has been emailing me/callin me and texting me i have been ignoring it all but enough is enough and i have now filed a reporta report with the fcc for harrasment with a minor and if it continues i will then contact the fbis online task force It was probably paypal trying to get in touch with you to get your account unfrozen. ::) Keep us posted on progress and ignore the asshat(s). Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 03, 2012, 04:37:21 PM i would also like to say someone has been emailing me/callin me and texting me i have been ignoring it all but enough is enough and i have now filed a reporta report with the fcc for harrasment with a minor and if it continues i will then contact the fbis online task force It was probably paypal trying to get in touch with you to get your account unfrozen. ::) Keep us posted on progress and ignore the asshat(s). Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 03, 2012, 05:27:43 PM I called them again today also they said 10-15 days.. Like I said just give it some time you will all get paid back as long as I get the money back I am going to pay everyone back.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Philj on July 03, 2012, 05:30:31 PM I called them again today also they said 10-15 days.. Like I said just give it some time you will all get paid back as long as I get the money back I am going to pay everyone back. Have you considered how you are going to transfer that money since using PayPal is not an option? Are you going to try to send it as USD, or convert it back to BTC and send it that way? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 03, 2012, 05:47:07 PM Since I can no longer use my paypal so send funds I will most likely send via btc but I have to find a way on how to cash out the money to bitcoins.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Tittiez on July 03, 2012, 06:14:26 PM Since I can no longer use my paypal so send funds I will most likely send via btc but I have to find a way on how to cash out the money to bitcoins. Where do you live? Someone might do an exchange with you in person if you live near a city. Just send the paypal funds to your bank account hooked up to the prepaid, cashout at an atm, and trade someone in person for bitcoins, and pay the bitcoins back. Sure its a stretch but it should work (right?). Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TangibleCryptography on July 03, 2012, 06:45:53 PM If he has the cash we can help. The question is will PayPal allow the funds to be withdrawn to his bank account? If his account is indeed frozen they won't and it will likely be 180 days. If PayPal is directing the funds back to his bank account on record there may be options.
Assuming he has or can get the cash we are willing to sell to him at cost and even cover any cost to get us the funds. TheBitMan just needs to get certified funds to our account. Acceptable methods are bank wire, cashier's check send by overnight mail to our business address, or cash/cashier's check deposit at any Bank Of America branch. If TheBitMan provides us a list of people he owes, the amounts and bitcoin addresses (obtained from each creditor) we can disburse the funds owed directly. Our cost: nothing. We will even cover the origination cost of a bank wire or cashier's check. Happy to act as a trusted third party and build some good PR. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 03, 2012, 07:15:20 PM I doubt he'd meet face to face with anybody at this point. He's calling the FCC about static on his voicemails. Got to be another option. People on here seem willing to help you out of this situation. I'm sure somebody would have advice on this subject. They've got advice on everything else. It wasn't just static, the person was sending me pictures of myself (my facebook picture) and signed me up to websites and texting services. I was receiving texts 2:00 am in the morning. I looked up harassment laws and if I want to file charges this person can get a $2,000 fine and/or up to 6 months in prison.Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 03, 2012, 07:18:01 PM I believe paypal can send me a check, I cash the check. At this point I think a money order is the best option.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 03, 2012, 07:20:23 PM I doubt he'd meet face to face with anybody at this point. He's calling the FCC about static on his voicemails. Got to be another option. People on here seem willing to help you out of this situation. I'm sure somebody would have advice on this subject. They've got advice on everything else. It wasn't just static, the person was sending me pictures of myself (my facebook picture) and signed me up to websites and texting services. I was receiving texts 2:00 am in the morning. I looked up harassment laws and if I want to file charges this person can get a $2,000 fine and/or up to 6 months in prison.I believe all that totally. Just don't go trade cash for coins with some random dude though! Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 03, 2012, 07:21:55 PM I doubt he'd meet face to face with anybody at this point. He's calling the FCC about static on his voicemails. Got to be another option. People on here seem willing to help you out of this situation. I'm sure somebody would have advice on this subject. They've got advice on everything else. It wasn't just static, the person was sending me pictures of myself (my facebook picture) and signed me up to websites and texting services. I was receiving texts 2:00 am in the morning. I looked up harassment laws and if I want to file charges this person can get a $2,000 fine and/or up to 6 months in prison.I believe all that totally. Just don't go trade cash for coins with some random dude though! Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TangibleCryptography on July 03, 2012, 07:23:24 PM I believe paypal can send me a check, I cash the check. At this point I think a money order is the best option. A money order also works however they tend to be have a max value (USPS is limited to $500). Cashier's check can be paid for in cash, written in any amount and you can get one from any major bank without an account. Walk in with cash, walk out with cashier's check. However all this is likely academic. If PayPal indicated they have frozen your account AND are returning any payments to your account AND they are issuing a check for the balance then it will be 180 days before that check gets issued. We will know in a couple days but it doesn't look good. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: EuSouBitcoin on July 03, 2012, 07:26:06 PM Suggestion: Deposit cash at Chase bank branch for BitFloor.com account, buy BTC, send BTC to people who are owed money.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 03, 2012, 07:28:35 PM problem..not relating to anyone here though but I purchased clothes online for myself and I have received the clothes. PayPal now held the payment and I am guessing it will come back to me. The clothing store is a major one. What should I do in this case?
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: redrobin on July 03, 2012, 07:30:22 PM problem..not relating to anyone here though but I purchased clothes online for myself and I have received the clothes. PayPal now held the payment and I am guessing it will come back to me. The clothing store is a major one. What should I do in this case? worry about that after you clear this up at least. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: augustocroppo on July 03, 2012, 07:38:43 PM i would also like to say someone has been emailing me/callin me and texting me i have been ignoring it all but enough is enough and i have now filed a reporta report with the fcc for harrasment with a minor and if it continues i will then contact the fbis online task force I bet you are bluffing! You are not under 18 years old. You are an adult and you are lying to people feel pity about you. You are not going to call anyone as you did not call your parents when you was previously required. Moreover, this is business, dirty business... Do you know that? If you deal with somebody else's money you have to deal with people looking after you. 8) Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 03, 2012, 08:27:04 PM You don't need clothes right now if you have a full body sun burn. No, it's most likely you. And if continues I will contact the FBI. I congratulate you on being able to use Google btw.I'm sure all the harassment will stop when you pay back everyone. You'd be surprised what people will do for money these days. Don't worry he's not leaving the USA i had someone at CSS put him on the no fly list. Oh ya don't worry about the static on your Iphone its a government issued wiretap. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 03, 2012, 08:35:02 PM Harassing me is just postponing me from helping everyone. I am trying to help everyone here and in the mean time I had to email all the sites you signed me up to. And im pretty sure signing a minor up to a porn site wont help with the FBI.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 03, 2012, 08:39:45 PM I wish I could claim doing that lol All I have to do is give the FBI your forum link and they know your ip..then they know everything. I'm not trying to start a forum war here i'm just saying harassing me isn't helping the situation. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: fatigue on July 03, 2012, 08:47:01 PM My IP address is 76.90.78.108 ha ha Let the trolls begin... Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: nckrazze on July 03, 2012, 10:26:42 PM Hey TheBitMan, I would recommend getting a bitcoin loan from a fellow member to be used to pay off all the debt you are in right now. Then, once the paypal transactions are closed and you have your money back, pull the cash into a bank and put it in Mtgox and buy the coins you borrowed and pay them back. This situation is sort of ridiculous. I know you are trying, but there are other people that you owe that depend on the money.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: RandomQ on July 03, 2012, 10:59:45 PM OMG, If I sure hope the emails I just got forwarded are a joke
If they aren't I have NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM or the BOUNTY I deleted all my posts and hope to see my money in 180 Days If I egged someone to do what they did with my posts I'm very sorry for my actions. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: RandomQ on July 03, 2012, 11:25:07 PM i started getting email forwarded to me from bitmint@tormail.org
they are from other tormail email addresses saying what they did and leaving a bitcoin address for payment they are saying the wildest things possible like spoofing emails from his aol email to the whitehouse posting on terrorist websites with info tracing back to him someone from europe said they mailed ecstasy to him someone said they emailed his school with a bomb threat someone said they "Swat-ing" his house Someone said they sent him child porn and CC the police someone said they carded and bunch of stuff to him and called the police someone said they sent him tons of gay porn mags via the mail the list keeps going and going I'm deleting all the emails and putting a block on that email address from my mail server I had to lookup what half of that crap means because I've never heard of it Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: chungenhung on July 04, 2012, 04:49:24 PM problem..not relating to anyone here though but I purchased clothes online for myself and I have received the clothes. PayPal now held the payment and I am guessing it will come back to me. The clothing store is a major one. What should I do in this case? worry about that after you clear this up at least. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: bbit on July 04, 2012, 07:51:06 PM *grabs some popcorn* Ah my little thebitman what have you done here! Sorry, there is hardly any sympathy for this WE CLEARLY warned him PAYPAL is not sympathetic to bitcoin buying or selling! Matthew N. Wright specifically blasted thebitman about this I do believe ? How is that being entrepreneurial?
At least he hasn't fled yet! just a matter of time because this isn't going to end well unfortunately. :o Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: nckrazze on July 04, 2012, 09:38:54 PM *grabs some popcorn* Ah my little thebitman what have you done here! Sorry, there is hardly any sympathy for this WE CLEARLY warned him PAYPAL is not sympathetic to bitcoin buying or selling! Matthew N. Wright specifically blasted thebitman about this I do believe ? How is that being entrepreneurial? At least he hasn't fled yet! just a matter of time because this isn't going to end well unfortunately. :o Flee my ass, a bunch of fellow bitcoiners and I have our funds missing. If he doesn't show up soon or offer some collateral, this will turn into a bigger deal than it already is. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Littleshop on July 04, 2012, 10:19:41 PM my suggestion:
thebitman says that he has some $ back from paypal already. Just use bitinstant (via cash if you can), get BTC and send some to us. While we all want the full amount, some part would show good faith and will will help calm some of us. Send mine to: 14ZwmgBvKizyTbFRdCb6GBBS2gmzivagwh Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Philj on July 04, 2012, 10:30:43 PM My address you can send to, just for the record is.
1NAAMJjjBzDraRGXbVeNM8jQtuGGxZKfDT Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 04, 2012, 10:30:46 PM my suggestion: i have to wait until they unlock the payments,i cant send the money untile they unlock it and i have heard twice it should be in about 10-15 daysthebitman says that he has some $ back from paypal already. Just use bitinstant (via cash if you can), get BTC and send some to us. While we all want the full amount, some part would show good faith and will will help calm some of us. Send mine to: 14ZwmgBvKizyTbFRdCb6GBBS2gmzivagwh Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: mcorlett on July 08, 2012, 12:47:44 AM i have to wait until they unlock the payments,i cant send the money untile they unlock it and i have heard twice it should be in about 10-15 days Are you able to front the money yourself?Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: chungenhung on July 08, 2012, 07:56:47 PM has anyone got money back from thebitmint yet?
OP, what's the status? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 08, 2012, 11:08:38 PM has anyone got money back from thebitmint yet? paypal said 10-15 days, it's only been a few. Give it until July 18th.OP, what's the status? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: mcorlett on July 09, 2012, 12:15:34 AM i have to wait until they unlock the payments,i cant send the money untile they unlock it and i have heard twice it should be in about 10-15 days Are you able to front the money yourself?Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Maged on July 09, 2012, 12:04:45 PM i have to wait until they unlock the payments,i cant send the money untile they unlock it and i have heard twice it should be in about 10-15 days Are you able to front the money yourself?Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: RandomQ on July 09, 2012, 02:51:58 PM My Payment address 1Kf5qMuQkN3T2dAR4EPeBZREnfy6C7MWAS
I sold $540 worth alot less than I thought :) All transactions will have my business LLC name on them not greenbtc or my name. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: smyl on July 10, 2012, 05:02:20 AM also waiting...
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: nckrazze on July 10, 2012, 05:15:51 AM My Payment address 1Kf5qMuQkN3T2dAR4EPeBZREnfy6C7MWAS I sold $540 worth alot less than I thought :) All transactions will have my business LLC name on them not greenbtc or my name. I want my return in coins as well. I can't trust him anymore. And I want the same amount of coins I originally sent for my transactions.. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Maged on July 10, 2012, 07:53:43 AM My Payment address 1Kf5qMuQkN3T2dAR4EPeBZREnfy6C7MWAS I sold $540 worth alot less than I thought :) All transactions will have my business LLC name on them not greenbtc or my name. I want my return in coins as well. I can't trust him anymore. And I want the same amount of coins I originally sent for my transactions.. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Littleshop on July 10, 2012, 12:08:12 PM My Payment address 1Kf5qMuQkN3T2dAR4EPeBZREnfy6C7MWAS I sold $540 worth alot less than I thought :) All transactions will have my business LLC name on them not greenbtc or my name. I want my return in coins as well. I can't trust him anymore. And I want the same amount of coins I originally sent for my transactions.. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: DeathAndTaxes on July 10, 2012, 12:28:43 PM There is no set way that this works when the terms are not stated in advance. Both ways could be argued reasonably. No it couldn't. He BOUGHT BTC for USD. That was the deal. x BTC for y USD. Now Paypal blocked/reversed the payment but the debt incurred is in USD. Settlement is separate from the transaction. It doesn't magically become a debt in BTC. No where, no court, anywhere on the planet would find the alternative "reasonable". BitMit owes y USD to his creditors. If he chooses to repay in BTC (which I certainly hope he does) the amount owed is still in USD. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Philj on July 10, 2012, 01:08:42 PM There is no set way that this works when the terms are not stated in advance. Both ways could be argued reasonably. No it couldn't. He BOUGHT BTC for USD. That was the deal. x BTC for y USD. Now Paypal blocked/reversed the payment but the debt incurred is in USD. Settlement is separate from the transaction. It doesn't magically become a debt in BTC. No where, no court, anywhere on the planet would find the alternative "reasonable". BitMit owes y USD to his creditors. If he chooses to repay in BTC (which I certainly hope he does) the amount owed is still in USD. I agree. Too many people try to change the terms of the transactions in their favor from when the deal was made to when the deal is settled whenever there is a change in exchange rate. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: John (John K.) on July 10, 2012, 01:14:46 PM There is no set way that this works when the terms are not stated in advance. Both ways could be argued reasonably. No it couldn't. He BOUGHT BTC for USD. That was the deal. x BTC for y USD. Now Paypal blocked/reversed the payment but the debt incurred is in USD. Settlement is separate from the transaction. It doesn't magically become a debt in BTC. No where, no court, anywhere on the planet would find the alternative "reasonable". BitMit owes y USD to his creditors. If he chooses to repay in BTC (which I certainly hope he does) the amount owed is still in USD. I agree. Too many people try to change the terms of the transactions in their favor from when the deal was made to when the deal is settled whenever there is a change in exchange rate. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Littleshop on July 10, 2012, 09:07:26 PM There is no set way that this works when the terms are not stated in advance. Both ways could be argued reasonably. No it couldn't. He BOUGHT BTC for USD. That was the deal. x BTC for y USD. Now Paypal blocked/reversed the payment but the debt incurred is in USD. Settlement is separate from the transaction. It doesn't magically become a debt in BTC. No where, no court, anywhere on the planet would find the alternative "reasonable". BitMit owes y USD to his creditors. If he chooses to repay in BTC (which I certainly hope he does) the amount owed is still in USD. I am happy to get USD as originally agreed to. But if you make a trade, and that is what this was, and someone takes back what you traded, getting back what you ORIGINALLY started with is not an insane or even an out of the ordinary demand. Your statement of 'No where, no court, anywhere on the planet would find the alternative "reasonable".' is not correct. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: redrobin on July 13, 2012, 01:00:39 AM Any word/updates on getting anything back?
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 13, 2012, 01:58:51 AM Any word/updates on getting anything back? How does a money order sound for everyone? We all have to wait until the 18th and see what happens..Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: RandomQ on July 13, 2012, 02:43:19 AM A USPS money order will work because they are easy to cash at any PO. If you have a fake one they will not cash it.
A Bank Money Order are much harder to cash and easy to fake. I would not deposit any money order in a bank account because you can use it after 24-48 hours but it can take up to two weeks to clear and bounce. Go directly to the bank that the money order is from local branch and try to cash it. I see fake MO's around every 3-4 months from ebay. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: redrobin on July 13, 2012, 03:09:09 AM Money order sounds good.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Philj on July 13, 2012, 09:21:21 AM I'd take a USPS MO
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 13, 2012, 04:03:54 PM It now says that paypal is reviewing all cases which is a good thing, no waiting on other party.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: chungenhung on July 13, 2012, 06:26:29 PM reviewing usually means they do nothing on it, then all of a sudden every open case gets closed.
Let us know as soon as you get the result. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Littleshop on July 15, 2012, 06:34:27 PM They have finalized the reversal of the transactions that I received. That means the money is now back in TheBitMan's account.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: RandomQ on July 16, 2012, 12:33:11 AM 1Kf5qMuQkN3T2dAR4EPeBZREnfy6C7MWAS
I screwed up on the total. Its $600. I would prefer bitcoins Or a USPS money order with tracking. The Only thing is that my paypal account was a business account for my LLC and I don't think it show my name Only my Business Name Anyone know what ID would be required for a cashing a MO made out to a business. --------------------------------------------------- $40 - Unique Transaction ID # 5KC55551L6278421G $20 - Unique Transaction ID # 83563526SH281730U $50 - Unique Transaction ID # 57907370R64832243 $50 - Unique Transaction ID # 5XJ43285W8169715B $40 - Unique Transaction ID # 7UR80556E2735483X $200 - Unique Transaction ID # 0JX22215FH012201M $200 - Unique Transaction ID # 5PC314948F217464A ---------------------------------------------------- Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 16, 2012, 12:51:26 AM Bitcoins would be a little complicated because I purchased from everyone at different rates but if we can all agree on one fixed price per coin it would be pretty simple. I would only have to write one money order to one person who will take it for bitcoins. Money orders on the others hand would be a little harder for me bc I have to fill them all out but will work pretty well.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: DeathAndTaxes on July 16, 2012, 12:53:21 AM Bitcoins would be a little complicated because I purchased from everyone at different rates but if we can all agree on one fixed price per coin it would be pretty simple. I would only have to write one money order to one person who will take it for bitcoins. Money orders on the others hand would be a little harder for me bc I have to fill them all out but will work pretty well. Don't over think this. If you owe someone $100 you simply give them $100 worth of Bitcoins. If you owe someone $212.87 you give them $212.87 worth of Bitcoins. Also the offer my company made above still stands ... If he has the cash we can help. ... Assuming he has or can get the cash we are willing to sell to him at cost and even cover any cost to get us the funds. TheBitMan just needs to get certified funds to our account. Acceptable methods are bank wire, cashier's check send by overnight mail to our business address, or cash/cashier's check deposit at any Bank Of America branch. If TheBitMan provides us a list of people he owes, the amounts and bitcoin addresses (obtained from each creditor) we can disburse the funds owed directly. Our fee: nothing. We will even cover the origination cost of a bank wire or cashier's check. Happy to act as a trusted third party and build some good PR. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Littleshop on July 16, 2012, 01:02:49 AM Bitcoins would be a little complicated because I purchased from everyone at different rates but if we can all agree on one fixed price per coin it would be pretty simple. I would only have to write one money order to one person who will take it for bitcoins. Money orders on the others hand would be a little harder for me bc I have to fill them all out but will work pretty well. USD as expressed in BTC at the time of payment. Sounds complex but it is not at all. Lets say you owe someone $60, you go to http://preev.com/ (for example) And it tells you $60 is 7.83 BTC. Send the 7.83 BTC to the persons address and you are done. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: davecoin on July 16, 2012, 01:39:32 AM My transaction was reversed today as well. Requested repayment in USD or BTC.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Philj on July 16, 2012, 02:11:45 AM Mine was also reversed. please send bitcoins to 1NAAMJjjBzDraRGXbVeNM8jQtuGGxZKfDT or mail a USPS Money Order to the address in the PM i'm sending you.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: RandomQ on July 16, 2012, 06:12:12 AM I'm fine with my money going thru Tangible Cryptography LLC Done business with them before in the past.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Philj on July 16, 2012, 09:44:43 AM I'm fine with my money going thru Tangible Cryptography LLC Done business with them before in the past. This option works for me as well. Just let me know how you are doing the transfer, and when, and I'll provide whatever details are needed to complete. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: chungenhung on July 16, 2012, 02:49:03 PM PayPal has reversed the transactions.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Philj on July 16, 2012, 05:30:53 PM If he has the cash we can help. The question is will PayPal allow the funds to be withdrawn to his bank account? If his account is indeed frozen they won't and it will likely be 180 days. If PayPal is directing the funds back to his bank account on record there may be options. I think we should do this. Can we all agree to it? I agree. All TheBitMan needs to do is get the money out of his PP account, get certified funds, and take the certified funds to BofA and deposit it OR if not BofA is available once he has the certified funds just mail the check to TC.Assuming he has or can get the cash we are willing to sell to him at cost and even cover any cost to get us the funds. TheBitMan just needs to get certified funds to our account. Acceptable methods are bank wire, cashier's check send by overnight mail to our business address, or cash/cashier's check deposit at any Bank Of America branch. If TheBitMan provides us a list of people he owes, the amounts and bitcoin addresses (obtained from each creditor) we can disburse the funds owed directly. Our cost: nothing. We will even cover the origination cost of a bank wire or cashier's check. Happy to act as a trusted third party and build some good PR. Works for me. Just tell me what info is needed from me. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 16, 2012, 07:17:43 PM Alright I think I will use Tangible Cryptography
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TangibleCryptography on July 16, 2012, 07:26:48 PM Alright I think I will use Tangible Cryptography Get a list of all the creditors and the amount you owe each (in USD). Get a bitcoin address from each creditor where we can send the amount owed. Once you have the funds and the list of creditors we can work out how you will send us certified funds. When we receive funds we will send payment in bitcoins based on "MtGox last price" to each creditor. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 16, 2012, 07:47:32 PM Since there is an hourly limit on pms and so everything can be organized I set this up.
http://bitmint.weebly.com/submitinfo.html Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 16, 2012, 08:09:09 PM Since there is an hourly limit on pms and so everything can be organized I set this up. http://bitmint.weebly.com/submitinfo.html Nice. Maybe this guy should go to work for Bitcoinica. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 16, 2012, 08:16:10 PM Since there is an hourly limit on pms and so everything can be organized I set this up. http://bitmint.weebly.com/submitinfo.html Nice. Maybe this guy should go to work for Bitcoinica. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 16, 2012, 08:19:49 PM Since there is an hourly limit on pms and so everything can be organized I set this up. http://bitmint.weebly.com/submitinfo.html Nice. Maybe this guy should go to work for Bitcoinica. I'm serious. While certainly not on the same scale you've handled this pretty well. Now if everyone gets their money back I would hope the admin can post this thread some where as an example of the community working together to collectively deal with these kinds of issue. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: xxaudioxx on July 16, 2012, 08:33:32 PM submitted my info... Thanks
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Philj on July 16, 2012, 10:16:50 PM My info has been submitted.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: nckrazze on July 16, 2012, 10:22:03 PM Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: RandomQ on July 16, 2012, 10:47:01 PM Info sent
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Littleshop on July 17, 2012, 12:23:24 AM Info sent.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Philj on July 17, 2012, 04:11:23 PM Any update today? Do you have full access to the funds in paypal? Have you started sending USD to D&T?
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 17, 2012, 06:58:03 PM Another problem.. Since I'm not 18 my ssn will not verify my account, I tried, I also need to set up a bank account and credit card to become verified. I can only take out $500 a month...
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 17, 2012, 07:04:56 PM And if PayPal doesn't release the funds tomorrow I want you all to know you WILL get your money back once they let me release the money.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: smyl on July 17, 2012, 09:04:33 PM info submitted.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Tittiez on July 17, 2012, 09:25:44 PM Another problem.. Since I'm not 18 my ssn will not verify my account, I tried, I also need to set up a bank account and credit card to become verified. I can only take out $500 a month... Have your parents order you a walmart moneycard. You can use the bank from that to verify. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: nckrazze on July 17, 2012, 10:42:55 PM Another problem.. Since I'm not 18 my ssn will not verify my account, I tried, I also need to set up a bank account and credit card to become verified. I can only take out $500 a month... Have you considered changing your name to The Bit Boy? ;D Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: redrobin on July 17, 2012, 10:51:15 PM info sent
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 17, 2012, 11:26:28 PM actually paypal might let me take it all out that might not apply..anyway i paid one person back with my personal bitcoins, i never said up any bitcoins so i have no more. Everyone will get paid back once paypal lets me take out the funds.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: ElitePork on July 17, 2012, 11:45:56 PM Hi TS,
Not sure whether you still remember me but I have exchange some BTC earlier last month. From my experience, I don't think PP will allow you to withdraw all the funds until 180 days later (but if they do, let me know!)... They will allow you to add in a bank account but it will be locked link to your account... Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: RandomQ on July 19, 2012, 05:36:49 PM Any Update?
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 19, 2012, 07:44:28 PM Still can't take the money out but there are now a few more cases open, I will call paypal once those cases end if I still can't withdraw.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: RandomQ on July 19, 2012, 09:54:29 PM Well I'm going on Vacation for week if your PayPal account still has claims on it when I get back.
I'm going to do a John Doe Lawsuit(To get all your Info from PayPal) For $600 + Damages (NSF fee's + Late Fee's) and get a judgement on the PayPal Account while the money is still in there. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: smyl on July 20, 2012, 03:00:23 PM Well I'm going on Vacation for week if your PayPal account still has claims on it when I get back. I'm going to do a John Doe Lawsuit(To get all your Info from PayPal) For $600 + Damages (NSF fee's + Late Fee's) and get a judgement on the PayPal Account while the money is still in there. If you're already getting charged excessive NSF fees and late fees over $600, good luck finding a lawyer... Though, $600 would still fit in small claims, and you could represent yourself... Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Maged on July 20, 2012, 03:02:49 PM You can file criminal fraud against him for free. He's not a John Doe, it's just a form to fill out, everybody has enough info on him. Won't get your money back, he can at least answer charges. Because you didn't verify that he was over 18 and he never claimed to be over 18, any case against him will be immediately thrown out. As far as the law is concerned, you guys all gifted him the money. You're stuck with just trusting him.(Note: Not a lawyer) Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 20, 2012, 03:05:49 PM RandomQ
Please don't clutter the thread with threats. You took a risk using paypal to transact bit coin. If you didn't know that then you know the risks now. We are cordially trying to help solve the BTC specific problem. Getting pissed off about it in public is not helping. Thanks for your consideration. BCB Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: chungenhung on July 22, 2012, 05:17:37 PM Still can't take the money out but there are now a few more cases open, I will call paypal once those cases end if I still can't withdraw. perhaps you should find another way to get the funds from? Such as from your summer job, or from your parents.We can't be waiting forever here. It's been several weeks. What if paypal keep opening more cases on you? Does that mean we would never get our money? Paypal have the tendency to open more cases as time goes by, just to keep the money to themselves. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 22, 2012, 08:59:54 PM Still can't take the money out but there are now a few more cases open, I will call paypal once those cases end if I still can't withdraw. perhaps you should find another way to get the funds from? Such as from your summer job, or from your parents.We can't be waiting forever here. It's been several weeks. What if paypal keep opening more cases on you? Does that mean we would never get our money? Paypal have the tendency to open more cases as time goes by, just to keep the money to themselves. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 23, 2012, 12:10:14 AM since paypal froze my account i cant take the money out for 180 days. I will see what I can do with my own money to pay people back although i don't have very much at all.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: redrobin on July 23, 2012, 02:15:17 AM get a loan
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: chungenhung on July 23, 2012, 02:28:17 AM OP, i really suggest you talk to your parents. People here are not going to wait 180days for you. You don't want more trouble than you have now.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 23, 2012, 02:49:17 AM I will try to do what I can, I will pay back people by how much they are owed. High to low. So people with small amounts like $20 or $50 can wait for people with hundreds..
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 23, 2012, 02:59:28 AM What is the total amount?
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 23, 2012, 02:53:40 PM What is the total amount? around $3,100Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 23, 2012, 03:22:30 PM Can you list the total individual payments to each person, with out ID, please.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 23, 2012, 07:07:52 PM Can you list the total individual payments to each person, with out ID, please. i dont know if everyone would accept to that and i dont want to upset anyone anymore than they are..Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 23, 2012, 07:29:33 PM no identifying info - just the totals ie:
800 100 100 100 50 75 20 etc.... each line would be the total that is owed to each individual so everyone knows where they stand depending on how you plan to make payments. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: augustocroppo on July 23, 2012, 10:27:49 PM Can you list the total individual payments to each person, with out ID, please. i dont know if everyone would accept to that and i dont want to upset anyone anymore than they are..Are you Paypal account frozen due lack of documents? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: augustocroppo on July 24, 2012, 12:08:59 AM He is a minor. PayPal reversed all of his transactions and froze his account. For more detailed information please read the thread. I think it would be OK to list all of the amounts, only the amounts. Then we can all see where our amount is in line. He did not provided any evidence which proves he is a minor... Anyway, perhaps Paypal limited his account because he could not provide appropriate documents. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: redrobin on July 24, 2012, 12:17:01 AM get a loan and payback the highest you owe first and then down the line. You're getting the money back in 180 days that's guaranteed, you'll be able to repay the loand. So, just get a loan and start paying people back now
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Littleshop on July 24, 2012, 12:31:54 AM get a loan and payback the highest you owe first and then down the line. You're getting the money back in 180 days that's guaranteed. So, just get a loan and start paying people back now. Highest first is not necessarily the best way to do it. Then you wait longest to make the first payout and have the most number of people who have nothing. I (think) am in the middle so lowest first or highest first does not make much difference to me. I think the best way is to pay out in rounds as you get the money, a percentage. Sure it is more work, but everyone then knows you are serious. It may be more trouble for the payouts, but we have all been put through trouble as well. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: redrobin on July 27, 2012, 01:17:06 PM Any update?
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 27, 2012, 01:28:37 PM I just spoke with small claims court in Bitman's jurisdiction. The max amount to sue for is $5000. I believe BitMan said it was about $2800. Is is possible or one person to file a claim on behalf of a group and then be responsible to disburse any judgement to the claimants. As he is a minor the claim would have to be made against a parent or legal guardian. I think unless Bitman offers to make a formal agreement to begin repayment in some orderly and timely fashion a small claim should be explored. If a claim is successful it would also protect any funds sill held by paypal so when released they would be property of the claimants.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 27, 2012, 01:45:26 PM Thanks for your response Burtw. I'd be curious to hear from others. I spoke with Paypal today and I would told that he never responded to their inquires about the authenticity of my payment. This seems to contradict his statements that he was actively involved in discussions with paypal. An update from Bitman would be appreciated as well.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: DeathAndTaxes on July 27, 2012, 02:20:33 PM Do you even have sufficient information to file a suit? At a minimum you would need his name, legal guardians name, and address. In most states filings have to be done in person so you unless you luck out and someone lives in state you have that added cost.
One further complication is that usually you can't represent someone else in small claims court. You can only file for money owed to you. So what you (or someone) would need to do if have the other creditors sign over the debt to the person filing the claim. The plantiff wouldn't need to buy the debt from the creditor(s); a simple contract could be written that the plaintiff is purchasing the debt for a representative share of the proceeds (if any) that come from the lawsuit. Likely the contract should be worded such that if a lawsuit if dismissed, or not filed that ownership of the debt returns to the creditor. Essentially the plaintiff then is owed the full amount (of the entities willing to participate) and can file for that amount. If the plaintiff wins the defendant/debtor would pay the plaintiff and the plaintiff pay each creditor on a representative basis. Still if that is the way (or someone else) wants to go I will sign over my $240 owed to anyone looking to file a suit. Honestly I think this would be a good thing for Bitcoin. While case isn't about Bitcoin it would be useful for the community to see that a debt incurred is a debt incurred. PayPal freezing the account is irrelevant, TheBitMan owes the funds. Period. If PayPal was wrong them TheBitMan may have a case against PayPal but that doesn't change the fact that he still owes the creditors. If you owe someone money you pay. If you can't pay you find a way (payment plan, getting a loan, get a second job, etc). If you don't pay you get sued. Pretty simple concepts which seem to evaporate as soon as Bitcoin even comes close. Quote It may take a few months but just be patient and you will all get your money back- unless you start some stupid law suit. Well there is no guarantee of that. He may just decide after a couple months to take the money and walk away. I certainly hope that isn't the case but saying "you WILL all get your money" is a false claim. We "may" get our money. If you are so certain I would gladly sell you my claim for 85% of the face value right now. A guaranteed profit since there is absolutely no chance that you won't be repaid right? BCB is correct on one account. A judgement could be used to prevent the PayPal funds from being taken although I doubt it would go that far. His parents likely aren't interested in having a judgement on their credit report and would pay the amount in full and collect from their son when PayPal releases the account. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 27, 2012, 02:43:23 PM Yes we do have info to initiate a small claim. I also have back up of his websites, and Bitcoin talk posts.
Yes I live in his jurisdiction and I would be glad to file the claim on behalf any interested parties and even front the $15.00 filing fee. This is a civil means and often used method to collect a debt from an individual or a business. So far Yes +2 No +1 Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TangibleCryptography on July 27, 2012, 02:46:52 PM He owes us a small amount ($30.00) but we would be willing to sign it over to a plaintiff so Yes +3.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: redrobin on July 27, 2012, 02:56:31 PM Yes for me as well
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 27, 2012, 02:59:02 PM Yes +4
No +1 Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Maged on July 27, 2012, 04:50:01 PM Good luck suing the parents without any contract of any kind agreed to by them.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 27, 2012, 05:28:38 PM In the county where we will initiate the claim it is possible to file a claim against a parent or legal guardian of an underage debtor.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: DeathAndTaxes on July 27, 2012, 06:05:27 PM Good luck suing the parents without any contract of any kind agreed to by them. Parents are civilly liable for the actions of their children. If your kid breaks my window it doesn't matter than I don't have a contract ahead of time where you agree to be liable for any damages caused by your kid. People who are unwilling to accept the liability of having a child should invest in birth control. :) I mean if you think about it for a second it would create a massive legal loophole if children couldn't be sued and their parents couldn't either. Kid burns my house down? Oops sorry he is immune to lawsuit and so are his parents. Kid runs a $20,000,000,000 ponzi scheme? Oops sorry the funds can't be recovered because the kid can't be sued and neither can his parents. The flip side of civil immunity for children is civil liability for their parents. You can't have equal protection under the law if one exists without the other. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 27, 2012, 10:46:27 PM i am trying to get a loan now to pay you all back
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 27, 2012, 10:51:41 PM Thank you for the update. That would obviously be the desired outcome for everyone.
Please keep us posted. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: PatrickHarnett on July 28, 2012, 02:40:13 AM Watching due to the loan request. Considering some funding, but probably in two parts - one to address the smaller amounts owed, and a second to address the larger sums involved. This is an "arrangement with creditors" as some will be paid ahead of others - and it makes sense given the apparent spread of claims.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 28, 2012, 09:28:49 AM Yes +5
No +1 Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: RandomQ on July 28, 2012, 04:42:53 PM Just FYI:
Paypal has sent my paypal account to there collections department and I'm now getting phone calls every day. This was a business account so its not going to ruin my credit if it goes into default/collections while I wait for judgement. Just a warning to anyone else with an paypal that is negative. I've already closed the bank account & credit cards linked to paypal account. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 28, 2012, 06:49:41 PM Just FYI: its not frozen is it?Paypal has sent my paypal account to there collections department and I'm now getting phone calls every day. This was a business account so its not going to ruin my credit if it goes into default/collections while I wait for judgement. Just a warning to anyone else with an paypal that is negative. I've already closed the bank account & credit cards linked to paypal account. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: PatrickHarnett on July 28, 2012, 09:29:42 PM I am collecting some information on this in order to supply credit and I am looking at if it is sensible to provide a loan covering the five month time period involved here.
Various people are owed $x so payments would be in BTC at current exchange rates. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 28, 2012, 09:40:26 PM TheBitMan
If you legitimately have the amount due to your creditors "frozen" in your paypal account there is no reason why you would not take this offer. Unless of course you have already spent the bulk of the funds (on clothes) and don't have frozen funds in nearly the amount you owe. If that is that case then you still need to consider this or another loan. If you have/get a job there is no reason you could not payback the amounts you owe in the 5 months time. Regardless, the people you owe did not extend a loan to you. Now that you have a respected member of the community considering a loan to you I'm sure we all would strongly suggest you do what is necessary to acquire those funds and start paying people back as soon as possible. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 28, 2012, 09:49:38 PM TheBitMan I'm all for the loan I am currently talking it out with PatrickIf you legitimately have the amount due to your creditors "frozen" in your paypal account there is no reason why you would not take this offer. Unless of course you have already spent the bulk of the funds (on clothes) and don't have frozen funds in nearly the amount you owe. If that is that case then you still need to consider this or another loan. If you have/get a job there is no reason you could not payback the amounts you owe in the 5 months time. Regardless, the people you owe did not extend a loan to you. Now that you have a respected member of the community considering a loan to you I'm sure we all would strongly suggest you do what is necessary to acquire those funds and start paying people back as soon as possible. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: PatrickHarnett on July 28, 2012, 10:07:27 PM TheBitMan If you legitimately have the amount due to your creditors "frozen" in your paypal account there is no reason why you would not take this offer. Unless of course you have already spent the bulk of the funds (on clothes) and don't have frozen funds in nearly the amount you owe. If that is that case then you still need to consider this or another loan. If you have/get a job there is no reason you could not payback the amounts you owe in the 5 months time. Regardless, the people you owe did not extend a loan to you. Now that you have a respected member of the community considering a loan to you I'm sure we all would strongly suggest you do what is necessary to acquire those funds and start paying people back as soon as possible. BCB - working on it. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Philj on July 28, 2012, 10:40:08 PM I would say that one condition be that the loan is paid direct to the people owed rather than sent to TheBitMan to distribute. Might be a little extra work, but would prevent a (low chance, but still possible) double con.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 28, 2012, 10:42:09 PM I would say that one condition be that the loan is paid direct to the people owed rather than sent to TheBitMan to distribute. Might be a little extra work, but would prevent a (low chance, but still possible) double con. That's what will happen.Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: DeathAndTaxes on July 28, 2012, 10:47:36 PM I would say that one condition be that the loan is paid direct to the people owed rather than sent to TheBitMan to distribute. Might be a little extra work, but would prevent a (low chance, but still possible) double con. I agree. I would even be willing to pay the lender a fee (say 0.5%) to handle it this way. One thing that is needed is a public (hashed for privacy) manifest of who is owed what. Would suck to have funds disbursed only to find out there are mistakes with some creditors not paid and others paid the wrong amount. TheBitMan should take the amount owed each person plus a SHA-256 hash of their bitcoin repayment address and post it in a list right in the thread. He can give the unhashed version of the list to the lender(s) and they can issue payments with confidence. Example: Code: d2f2d75a6eb129cc4aee6569896b4af4cd7290136193b9ff2a9827a0bcdd14d6 $100.00 This allows each creditor and easy way to verify the amount they are owed and the repayment address is accurate before any funds are moved. Each creditor knows the repayment address they gave to TheBitMan and thus can verify the hash while still keeping the data private. Private in public just like Bitcoin. Less chance of a screw up that way. TheBitMan this is something you can do now. While you asked all the creditors to submit info we haven't received anything back indicating the info submitted is correct. If you need a simple SHA-256 calculator here is one: http://www.xorbin.com/tools/sha256-hash-calculator Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 28, 2012, 10:50:14 PM I would say that one condition be that the loan is paid direct to the people owed rather than sent to TheBitMan to distribute. Might be a little extra work, but would prevent a (low chance, but still possible) double con. I agree. I would even be willing to pay the lender a fee (say 0.5%) to handle it this way. One thing that is needed is a public (hashed for privacy) manifest of who is owed what. Would suck to have funds disbursed only to find out there are mistakes with some creditors not paid and others paid the wrong amount. TheBitMan should take the amount owed each person plus a SHA-256 hash of their bitcoin repayment address and post it in a list. Example: Code: d2f2d75a6eb129cc4aee6569896b4af4cd7290136193b9ff2a9827a0bcdd14d6 $100.00 Each creditor can verify the amount and repayment address are correct by hashing the Bitcoin address they provided. Anonymity is protected and there is a public record before disbursement. Less chance of a screw up that way. TheBitMit this is something you can do now. If you need a simple SHA-256 calculator here is one: http://www.xorbin.com/tools/sha256-hash-calculator Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 28, 2012, 10:51:27 PM I would say that one condition be that the loan is paid direct to the people owed rather than sent to TheBitMan to distribute. Might be a little extra work, but would prevent a (low chance, but still possible) double con. I agree. I would even be willing to pay the lender a fee (say 0.5%) to handle it this way. One thing that is needed is a public (hashed for privacy) manifest of who is owed what. Would suck to have funds disbursed only to find out there are mistakes with some creditors not paid and others paid the wrong amount. TheBitMan should take the amount owed each person plus a SHA-256 hash of their bitcoin repayment address and post it in a list right in the thread. He can give the unhashed version of the list to the lender(s) and they can issue payments with confidence. Example: Code: d2f2d75a6eb129cc4aee6569896b4af4cd7290136193b9ff2a9827a0bcdd14d6 $100.00 This allows each creditor and easy way to verify the amount they are owed and the repayment address is accurate before any funds are moved. Each creditor knows the repayment address they gave to TheBitMan and thus can verify the hash while still keeping the data private. Private in public just like Bitcoin. Less chance of a screw up that way. TheBitMan this is something you can do now. While you asked all the creditors to submit info we haven't received anything back indicating the info submitted is correct. If you need a simple SHA-256 calculator here is one: http://www.xorbin.com/tools/sha256-hash-calculator Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TangibleCryptography on July 28, 2012, 10:53:36 PM cant anybody undo the hash though? No. Hashes are one way functions. If you could reverse a SHA-256 hash well Bitcoin would insta-fail (and a lot of other bad things would happen too like the instant failure of SSL, most online banking, ATM networks, VPN, password tables, etc). The irreversibility of a hash is a cornerstone of cryptography. The person who knows the "secret" (in this case their repayment address) can verify it (by hashing secret and comparing it to hash list provided) but someone who doesn't know the "secret" has no ability to reverse it. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: PatrickHarnett on July 28, 2012, 10:53:59 PM An issue that I've just been advised of is that there is a new claim to be added to the list. While the loan agreement I'm doing is at the charitable end of the scale, if people haven't sorted out their issues with this yet, the payment process isn't open ended.
And, yes, I have requested a list of valid claimants and address to pay direct. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 28, 2012, 10:54:25 PM cant anybody undo the hash though? No hashes are one way functions. If you could reverse a SHA-256 hash well Bitcoin would insta-fail (and a lot of bad things would happen). The irreversibility of a hash is a cornerstone of cryptography. The person who knows the "secret" (in this case their repayment address) can verify it (by hashing their secret and comparing it to the hash provided) but someone who doesn't know the "secret" has no ability to reverse it. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 28, 2012, 11:08:15 PM Where would users go to decode the hash?
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TangibleCryptography on July 28, 2012, 11:09:01 PM Where would users go to decode the hash? They can't. Users can CREATE the hash the same way you did. Take their address and hash it and look for the hash in the list you provided. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 28, 2012, 11:15:16 PM Where would users go to decode the hash? They can't. Users can CREATE the hash the same way you did. Take their address and hash it and look for the hash in the list you provided. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: DeathAndTaxes on July 29, 2012, 12:18:45 AM idk if theres something im not getting but if i refresh the page and enter the same address I get a different hash.. I find that hard to believe. Hashing functions always return the same output. Make sure you are hashing the EXACT same value. As an example, "test " won't produce the same hash as " test" or "test" however the SHA-256 hash of "test" will never change. The SHA-256 hash of "test" (without quotes) will ALWAYS be: Quote 9f86d081884c7d659a2feaa0c55ad015a3bf4f1b2b0b822cd15d6c15b0f00a08 The link provided is just one calculator, you can always use another one. Baring a flaw in the calculator the hash of an input will always be the same. Bitcoin simply wouldn't work if SHA-256(x) wasn't always the same value. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: smyl on July 29, 2012, 01:06:06 AM I would like to be counted as a No for the class action crap...
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 29, 2012, 02:55:51 AM I would like to be counted as a No for the class action crap... It is a "small claim" not a "class action". Fortunately if thebitman and patrick can come to terms the loan will pay off the creditors. For the record. Small Claims participants. Yes +5 No +2 Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: smyl on July 29, 2012, 05:36:07 PM I would like to be counted as a No for the class action crap... It is a "small claim" not a "class action". Fortunately if thebitman and patrick can come to terms the loan will pay off the creditors. For the record. Small Claims participants. Yes +5 No +2 for the people who agree to it, it is essentially the same thing... they would give up their right to collect, to the person bringing forth the action in small claims court... Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 29, 2012, 05:42:09 PM Correct. The 5 participants have already agreed to that.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: smyl on July 29, 2012, 05:49:34 PM Correct. The 5 participants have already agreed to that. so the 5 participants have agreed to join the class of people taking TheBitMan to small claims court? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: DeathAndTaxes on July 29, 2012, 05:54:58 PM so the 5 participants have agreed to join the class of people taking TheBitMan to small claims court? I think everyone including BCB is willing to see if TheBitMan can secure a loan. I would also point out TheBitMan didn't begin looking for a loan until talk of a lawsuit started. My guess is that TheBitMan's parents could pay this debt and get reimbuses in 180 days (even if it required using a credit card cash advance) but likely they know nothing about it. My guess is that TheBitMan doesn't want them to learn about his PayPal adventures. A lawsuit would certainly make his parents aware. If TheBitMan secures a loan and everyone is repaid then there is no need for a lawsuit to go forward. If he can't secure a loan, he can get his parents to advance the funds. If he is unwilling to do either a small claim lawsuit will force the issue and also protect the interest of the creditors. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 29, 2012, 05:57:06 PM Correct. The goal is to get paid back. If a loan is not secured then five creditors have already agreed to allow one creditor to file a small claim in TheBitMan's county on the behalf of any funds owed to them. Any judgement received from the small claim would be distributed to the creditors according to their individual claims.
Edit: The claim would actually be filed against TheBitMan's parent or legal guardian as he is a minor. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: smyl on July 29, 2012, 06:01:39 PM Correct. The goal is to get paid back. If a loan is not secured then five creditors have already agreed to allow one creditor to file a small claim in TheBitMan's county on the behalf of any funds owed to them. Any judgement received from the small claim would be distributed to the creditors according to their individual claims. Edit: The claim would actually be filed against TheBitMan's parent or legal guardian as he is a minor. So you agree that the people have joined a class of people that are allowing one member to file a claim against TheBitMan's parents, and you feel the need to be a pedantic prick, and correct me calling it class action crap... Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: DeathAndTaxes on July 29, 2012, 06:07:54 PM So you agree that the people have joined a class of people that are allowing one member to file a claim against TheBitMan's parents, and you feel the need to be a pedantic prick, and correct me calling it class action crap... It isn't a class action lawsuit. That requires certification as a CLASS. Your use of the word "class" is confusing given a lawsuit is a legal action and the term "class" has a specific legal meaning. Only a judge can certify a group of claimants as a class. So someone correcting you that it isn't a class action lawsuit is simply being factual. The proposed legal action would be a claim in small claims court. There wouldn't be a class there would be a single claimant and one (or possibly two) defendants. Any agreements between other creditors and the filing claimant would have no bearing in the case. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 29, 2012, 06:13:49 PM Thanks D&T
For further clarification - only one (1) individual can bring a small claim in this jurisdiction. "The jurisdiction of small-claims courts typically encompasses private disputes in which large amounts of money are not at stake. The routine collection of small debts forms a large portion of the cases brought to small-claims courts." -Wikipedia. When necessary, I've filed several small claims in the past and have found the process to be surprisingly quick and effective. Edit: When a successful judgment is returned then the courts take over the process to ensure the debt is paid and as anyone knows who has been served with a court ordered judgement there are additional legal and financial ramification if the judgement is not paid in the time specified. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: redrobin on July 29, 2012, 06:20:54 PM I think everyone including BCB is willing to see if TheBitMan can secure a loan. I would also point out TheBitMan didn't begin looking for a loan until talk of a lawsuit started. My guess is that TheBitMan's parents could easily pay this debt even if it required using a credit card cash advance but like TheBitMan doesn't want them to learn about his PayPal adventures. A lawsuit would certainly make his parents aware. If TheBitMan secures a loan and everyone is repaid then there is no need for a lawsuit to go forward. If he can't secure a loan and is unwilling to get his parents to advance the funds he owes well a small claims filing can't hurt. [/quote] + Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 29, 2012, 10:25:32 PM I think everyone including BCB is willing to see if TheBitMan can secure a loan. I would also point out TheBitMan didn't begin looking for a loan until talk of a lawsuit started. My guess is that TheBitMan's parents could easily pay this debt even if it required using a credit card cash advance but like TheBitMan doesn't want them to learn about his PayPal adventures. A lawsuit would certainly make his parents aware. If TheBitMan secures a loan and everyone is repaid then there is no need for a lawsuit to go forward. If he can't secure a loan and is unwilling to get his parents to advance the funds he owes well a small claims filing can't hurt. + [/quote]I was sending people messages before I posted the thread but no one was willing to do it. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: chungenhung on July 31, 2012, 12:31:51 AM so basically the thebitman has decided to pay everyone but me.
This is what he sent me in the PM "If i added you to the loan I could end up oweing the loaner a lot more than Is in my paypal, right now its ok though. I now have the job but im not sure how well it will pay or how often i will work but i will take that money (i have to start working first) and put it with money i already have and pay you as soon as i can." This means he already spent our money. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: PatrickHarnett on July 31, 2012, 12:41:10 AM Hmm, well I haven't heard from TheBitMan the last 24 hours, and this is an unexpected development.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 31, 2012, 12:43:53 AM so basically the thebitman has decided to pay everyone but me. This is what he sent me in the PM "If i added you to the loan I could end up oweing the loaner a lot more than Is in my paypal, right now its ok though. I now have the job but im not sure how well it will pay or how often i will work but i will take that money (i have to start working first) and put it with money i already have and pay you as soon as i can." This means he already spent our money. He said as much a month ago. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83679.msg1006417#msg1006417 Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: redrobin on July 31, 2012, 01:15:30 PM What state does thbitman live in? Anybody have his info? I'm paying to do a search for his info, have to wait 2 months till he's 18 for it all to be released SSN and stuff. He's made no effort, all I need is his state, hoping somebody here will provide with that.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 31, 2012, 01:26:56 PM Yes we do have his contact info which will be used for the sole purpose of filing the claim and will not be released here. As we have not heard any progress on the loan or any other recent communication from TheBitMan I think it may be time to file the claim. For those users who have not already done so, please PM a screen shot of the reversed charges from TheBitMan. This will be used to present evident of the amount owed and will also be used for redistribution of any funds.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: redrobin on July 31, 2012, 01:30:21 PM What state are you filing in?
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 31, 2012, 01:30:46 PM NY
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on July 31, 2012, 01:42:22 PM BurtW
Thanks for your efforts on our behalf. Obviously a loan it the best possible option for all involved. And I think as long as everyone knows that TheBitMan is working towards that goal everyone is glad to continue to be patient. So any updates on progress from you, Patrick or TheBitMan would be appreciated. Meanwhile the Small Claim remains a viable alternative. Thanks. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 31, 2012, 09:56:53 PM i didnt pay anyone but someone that was owed around $12 please dont junp to conclusions and please pm if you have any questions
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on July 31, 2012, 10:01:59 PM Sorry for the delay on updates I have been busy lately. I am talking to patrick now. I looked at every amount and tranactions and everything is good now. I will send patrick the list once he is ready.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: augustocroppo on August 01, 2012, 08:33:36 PM Since The Bitmint enterprise solely owner is showing good will to recover lost funds to pay his clients, I am also in good will to help the enterprise and cover up part of his debts. I have the total amount of US$ 55.00 in two Paypal accounts, which I could try to send to any of his clients.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Shadow383 on August 01, 2012, 08:38:02 PM Since The Bitmint enterprise solely owner is showing good will to recover lost funds to pay his clients, I am also in good will to help the enterprise and cover up part of his debts. I have the total amount of US$ 55.00 in two Paypal accounts, which I could try to send to any of his clients. What?Why should you? I thought he established above that he has the funds? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: augustocroppo on August 01, 2012, 08:49:00 PM Since The Bitmint enterprise solely owner is showing good will to recover lost funds to pay his clients, I am also in good will to help the enterprise and cover up part of his debts. I have the total amount of US$ 55.00 in two Paypal accounts, which I could try to send to any of his clients. What?Why should you? I thought he established above that he has the funds? Because I should donate to enterprises with good ethical responses regarding the clients funds. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: RandomQ on August 01, 2012, 09:53:38 PM Since The Bitmint enterprise solely owner is showing good will to recover lost funds to pay his clients, I am also in good will to help the enterprise and cover up part of his debts. I have the total amount of US$ 55.00 in two Paypal accounts, which I could try to send to any of his clients. What?Why should you? I thought he established above that he has the funds? Because I should donate to enterprises with good ethical responses regarding the clients funds. You could always send the Money to TangibleCryptography They are handling the Payback via BTC Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TangibleCryptography on August 01, 2012, 09:55:15 PM You could always send the Money to TangibleCryptography They are handling the Payback via BTC Maybe not. If TheBitMan secures a loan then my understanding is the payback would be directly from the lender to TheBitMan's creditors. If TheBitMan is unwilling or unable to secure a BTC loan and needs our services converting USD to BTC we would be happy to help but that seems less and less likely. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: PatrickHarnett on August 01, 2012, 10:03:54 PM For information, I have decided against funding a loan to support the payback of the creditors here. I believed that it would have been useful for the community to have this mess cleaned up, but my assessment of the risk to my funds (based on information released and not provided) would be too high.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: augustocroppo on August 01, 2012, 10:09:08 PM For information, I have decided against funding a loan to support the payback of the creditors here. I believed that it would have been useful for the community to have this mess cleaned up, but my assessment of the risk to my funds (based on information released and not provided) would be too high. How much debt The Bitmint enterprise hold for his clients? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Tittiez on August 01, 2012, 10:24:14 PM For information, I have decided against funding a loan to support the payback of the creditors here. I believed that it would have been useful for the community to have this mess cleaned up, but my assessment of the risk to my funds (based on information released and not provided) would be too high. Ouch that is bad news. I still hope that everything can be cleared up, I myself never used his service but he seems to be cleaning this up to the best of his ability, so I would be sad to see it taken to small claims. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Raoul Duke on August 01, 2012, 10:43:37 PM Since The Bitmint enterprise solely owner is showing good will to recover lost funds to pay his clients, I am also in good will to help the enterprise and cover up part of his debts. I have the total amount of US$ 55.00 in two Paypal accounts, which I could try to send to any of his clients. What?Why should you? I thought he established above that he has the funds? hmmm... $55 in 2 Paypal accounts... Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: redrobin on August 01, 2012, 11:50:06 PM For information, I have decided against funding a loan to support the payback of the creditors here. I believed that it would have been useful for the community to have this mess cleaned up, but my assessment of the risk to my funds (based on information released and not provided) would be too high. If he gave you the information would you give him a loan? BitMan why not give the information you get the money in 180 days Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: PatrickHarnett on August 02, 2012, 12:00:54 AM For information, I have decided against funding a loan to support the payback of the creditors here. I believed that it would have been useful for the community to have this mess cleaned up, but my assessment of the risk to my funds (based on information released and not provided) would be too high. If he gave you the information would you give him a loan? BitMan why not give the information you get the money in 180 days It was not as simple as that (would be nice if it was). He offered various verbal guarantees and provided some information about some of the resources he could use to back that up. I don't understand why he isn't using those (and as it was provided via pm, it is not my place to comment on those here). I also asked about having a parental acknowledgement and/or guarantee because, as is noted above, the guy is 17 which is currently the only thing I know about him. The parent involvement was consistently a blank for whatever reason, and I understand that is his choice. My choice was to step away from this because if I can't get these simple things sorted out easily, I don't need to be worrying about $4k for the next six months. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 02, 2012, 12:05:20 AM I am talking to others about a loan.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 02, 2012, 12:07:11 AM The backup money I have now is not enough to pay everyone back right now. It would take all my life savings to pay back about 40% of what I owe. A loan would be the best option right now.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: augustocroppo on August 02, 2012, 12:07:56 AM For information, I have decided against funding a loan to support the payback of the creditors here. I believed that it would have been useful for the community to have this mess cleaned up, but my assessment of the risk to my funds (based on information released and not provided) would be too high. If he gave you the information would you give him a loan? BitMan why not give the information you get the money in 180 days It was not as simple as that (would be nice if it was). He offered various verbal guarantees and provided some information about some of the resources he could use to back that up. I don't understand why he isn't using those (and as it was provided via pm, it is not my place to comment on those here). I also asked about having a parental acknowledgement and/or guarantee because, as is noted above, the guy is 17 which is currently the only thing I know about him. The parent involvement was consistently a blank for whatever reason, and I understand that is his choice. My choice was to step away from this because if I can't get these simple things sorted out easily, I don't need to be worrying about $4k for the next six months. US$ 4,000.00 ! :o I think he owned less than that... Poor him. Did he proved to be 17 years old? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: augustocroppo on August 02, 2012, 12:11:10 AM hmmm... $55 in 2 Paypal accounts... Yeah, stuck there, I just do not know what to do with that money at the moment... Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 02, 2012, 11:25:56 AM I started donating to him through here 1C8UGJXLJhmovSzLMUvCUvqJTZgxA6D7vF all funds go straight to the amount owed if I get a loan I will return the amounts.Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 02, 2012, 11:29:03 AM The backup money I have now is not enough to pay everyone back right now. It would take all my life savings to pay back about 40% of what I owe. A loan would be the best option right now. Well lenders might appreciate some transparency. How about that hashed list of creditors refund addresses and amounts? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TangibleCryptography on August 02, 2012, 01:04:26 PM Hashes are always the same. Period. No exceptions. It is that easy.
The SHA-256 hash of "12EjJz6qdJrvSMMpkhyzao8Z8owNcFVtfK" (without quotes in ASCII encoding) will always be: Code: 3e4c7fca9f732aa34000374d7cb6a0c733d2cd108571ab879ff796079259ec58 Now be careful and watch your whitespace. The SHA-256 hash of "12EjJz6qdJrvSMMpkhyzao8Z8owNcFVtfK " (note the space at the end) will always be: Code: 62143a1c7cc5618b7929d0da6b499d8e1f995e62db9ec45aa40bce89b1a890c5 The SHA-256 hash of " 12EjJz6qdJrvSMMpkhyzao8Z8owNcFVtfK" (note the space at the beginning) will always be: Code: d4e4045f848797fd4194ef082c36440f3ba652092ba4beaed4839bc6be7a8764 The SHA-256 hash of "12EjJz6qdJrvSMMpkhyzao8Z8owNcFVtfK<CR/LF> " (has a carriage return and line feed) will always be: Code: 8b4c58b765ac3832a6329dd14cf8c29526152fc5eb45aa61707672be379754fa Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: John (John K.) on August 02, 2012, 01:30:07 PM Hashes are always the same +1. It's like 1 + 1 == 2.Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: redrobin on August 04, 2012, 02:35:44 PM Where's the loan? You say you're paying people back, how much of the 4k have you paid back in these months? Why make hash codes when you haven't paid a cent back, transparency doesn't matter, he's not paying. Get a loan already, you're "summer" job sucking penis won't make you 4k.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: fatigue on August 04, 2012, 03:52:09 PM Where's the loan? You say you're paying people back, how much of the 4k have you paid back in these months? Why make hash codes when you haven't paid a cent back, transparency doesn't matter, he's not paying. Get a loan already, you're "summer" job sucking penis won't make you 4k. Now that depends on which penises are in mention. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: RandomQ on August 04, 2012, 08:07:08 PM Where's the loan? You say you're paying people back, how much of the 4k have you paid back in these months? Why make hash codes when you haven't paid a cent back, transparency doesn't matter, he's not paying. Get a loan already, you're "summer" job sucking penis won't make you 4k. LOL ;D I'm going to get paid back its just going to take ALOT of time and something called a judgement. I think thebitman loan is too high risk and no lending is going to touch it. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: redrobin on August 04, 2012, 08:21:02 PM Only a fool would give a loan to this kid. Anybody that thinks he will ever get a loan to pay back his debt is equally as foolish. Where's the lawsuit against him then?
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 04, 2012, 08:54:56 PM I am waiting for a response from one possible loaner and seeking more also.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 06, 2012, 02:15:28 PM TheBitMan,
This is the 2nd Lender who has denied you a loan due to lack of transparency. Most everyone here has been giving you the benefit of the doubt. At this point I would like to know: What is the total amount due to members? What is the total amount currently on hold with paypal? How do you plan to make up that difference? Had anyone seen verifiable proof that TheBitMan is actually not yet 18 years of age? Members who have agreed to the small claim and have not already done so, please PM a screen shot of your paypal accounts showing the negative balance from TheBitMan so we can move forward quickly if necessary. Once this is determined in a court we can stop posting in this thread and wait for TheBitman and/or his parents/guardian deal with the court ordered payment. Thank you. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 06, 2012, 02:22:26 PM I am not home but I will add up the total once I am home the total amount owed is around what's in paypal which is $4,300
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 06, 2012, 11:46:56 PM Total amount owed is $4,318.96
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 06, 2012, 11:47:59 PM Ok, What is that total amount on hold in your paypal account?
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 06, 2012, 11:49:30 PM Ok, What is that total amount on hold in your paypal account? $4,347.79Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 06, 2012, 11:50:54 PM Can you post a screen shot with out any identifying information to prove that total is on hold.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 06, 2012, 11:57:12 PM Can you post a screen shot with out any identifying information to prove that total is on hold. http://i48.tinypic.com/2i12gk1.jpg Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 06, 2012, 11:58:47 PM that is a positive balance. Where does is show the funds on hold. Again, with out any identifying info.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 12:02:36 AM that is a positive balance. Where does is show the funds on hold. Again, with out any identifying info. Well when your account is limited you can't take out money for 6 months and you can see the red box above saying it's limited..ill retake the shotTitle: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 12:13:23 AM http://i46.tinypic.com/2d9vgg7.jpg
You see how I can click on "learn how to remove this limitation" but I can't.. I have talked to them on the phone and it also says when I log in that it can't be appealed. http://i46.tinypic.com/s3ovah.jpg On this pic you can see it says I can't do anything but update some info and use paypals logos.. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 12:14:43 AM Are you able to verify you account.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 12:15:18 AM Are you able to verify you account. what do you mean? verity it to paypal? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 12:16:05 AM Are you able to verify you account. what do you mean? verity it to paypal? Yes your paypal account is currently unverified correct? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 12:17:32 AM Are you able to verify you account. what do you mean? verity it to paypal? Yes you paypal account is currently unverified correct? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 12:18:06 AM Are you able to verify you account. what do you mean? verity it to paypal? Yes you paypal account is currently unverified correct? Do you have a bank account. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 12:18:44 AM Are you able to verify you account. what do you mean? verity it to paypal? Yes you paypal account is currently unverified correct? Do you have a bank account. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 12:19:26 AM Are you able to verify you account. what do you mean? verity it to paypal? Yes you paypal account is currently unverified correct? Do you have a bank account. Can you attached that to your paypal account? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 12:21:11 AM Are you able to verify you account. what do you mean? verity it to paypal? Yes you paypal account is currently unverified correct? Do you have a bank account. Can you attached that to your paypal account? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 12:23:03 AM Is there a Resolution Center where it indicates "Steps to Remove Limitations"?
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 12:26:50 AM Is there a Resolution Center where it indicates "Steps to Remove Limitations"? This is on the bottom of the notice paypal gives me every time I log in http://i45.tinypic.com/291ny92.jpgTitle: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 12:27:46 AM Is there a Resolution Center where it indicates "Steps to Remove Limitations"? There use to be before they fully limited it. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 12:29:02 AM And the page was up for about a day or two and there was no way for me to give them all the info they wanted, they also wanted tax info on the business and invoices all stuff that doesn't apply to me.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 12:33:15 AM And the page was up for about a day or two and there was no way for me to give them all the info they wanted, they also wanted tax info on the business and invoices all stuff that doesn't apply to me. So where does it say the funds will be released from limitation and where does it mention the time frame the funds will be released from limitation? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 12:34:41 AM And the page was up for about a day or two and there was no way for me to give them all the info they wanted, they also wanted tax info on the business and invoices all stuff that doesn't apply to me. So where does it say the funds will be released from limitation and where does it mention the time frame the funds will be released from limitation? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 12:36:32 AM And the page was up for about a day or two and there was no way for me to give them all the info they wanted, they also wanted tax info on the business and invoices all stuff that doesn't apply to me. So where does it say the funds will be released from limitation and where does it mention the time frame the funds will be released from limitation? So if the fund are frozen in your account and it equals the amount you owe to creditors and it says the funds will be released on December 28th why did two lenders turn you down for a loan? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 12:39:41 AM And the page was up for about a day or two and there was no way for me to give them all the info they wanted, they also wanted tax info on the business and invoices all stuff that doesn't apply to me. So where does it say the funds will be released from limitation and where does it mention the time frame the funds will be released from limitation? So if the fund are frozen in your account and it equals the amount you owe to creditors and it says the funds will be released on December 28th why did two lenders turn you down for a loan? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 12:41:35 AM When do you turn 18.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 12:42:40 AM When do you turn 18. June, 2013Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 12:43:37 AM You mean you just turned 17!
Can you prove it? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 12:45:14 AM You mean you just turned 17! dude, im 17, suing me can't help because I simply don't have the money and neither do my parents. Believe me if I did have the money I would have paid you all back by now. I'm not putting my full birthday out here btwCan you prove it? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: RandomQ on August 07, 2012, 12:48:59 AM You mean you just turned 17! dude, im 17, suing me can't help because I simply don't have the money and neither do my parents. Believe me if I did have the money I would have paid you all back by now. I'm not putting my full birthday out here btwCan you prove it? If they win a judgement they can send the judgement to paypal and they will release to the people that sued the funds to satisfy the judgement.( As Long as the funds aren't already Seized for AML/YKC) Also judgements can dock wages earned IE (Money from your parents paycheck will be seized) and money in any bank account . Depends on the state laws Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 12:50:07 AM You mean you just turned 17! dude, im 17, suing me can't help because I simply don't have the money and neither do my parents. Believe me if I did have the money I would have paid you all back by now. I'm not putting my full birthday out here btwCan you prove it? If they win a judgement they can send the judgement to paypal and they will release to the people that sued the funds to satisfy the judgement.( As Long as the funds aren't already Seized for AML/YKC) Also judgements can dock wages earned IE (Money from your parents paycheck will be seized) and money in any bank account . Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: RandomQ on August 07, 2012, 12:52:50 AM The Money is Locked until Dec 2012 OR June 2013.
Judgement will take maybe 2 months. All the Money in your savings account(if there is any left in there) & 5-10% of your parents paycheck from Oct On sounds pretty fast to me. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 12:53:48 AM Do you have any money in your savings account?
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 12:55:42 AM Do you have an money in your savings account? I won't say the full amount but it's less than half of what I owe everyone. It's hard to tell my parents I have to use all my money to pay people on the internet back..This is why I am asking for patients, with my summer job money some of my savings and a smaller loan than originally asked this can happen pretty quickly. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: RandomQ on August 07, 2012, 01:00:57 AM Do you have an money in your savings account? I won't say the full amount but it's less than half of what I owe everyone. It's hard to tell my parents I have to use all my money to pay people on the internet back..This is why I am asking for patients, with my summer job money some of my savings and a smaller loan than originally asked this can happen pretty quickly. I have Paypal Collections Department Calling me a couple times a day, wanting the money. Since my Account is in the negative. I have run out of patients, maybe because i'm the second highest owed($amount) that I know of. If it was $20 or $30 I wouldn't care, if I was $100 I would wait. But its $600 dollars in my case. Alot of people like myself don't trust you because we feel that you lied to us by not disclosing your age. I would have never done any business with your if I knew you were 16 at the time, the age required for paypal is 18 and I feel you committed fraud. Oh well I learned my lesson I ask everyone before I trade now, How old are you? can you prove it? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 01:01:35 AM BitMan,
Here's the problem. You've been running around this forum for the past year buying and selling bitcoin under the name "THE BIT MAN" failing to tell anyone you are 16. Then you fuck up and have all your money frozen and everyone you traded with gets screwed. Now you essentially want us to LOAN you the money, interest free, until ( of if and when) paypal releases your funds. Meanwhile you have 2 grand sitting in your bank account. I suggest you start making some good faith payments with that two grand. That should not be so hard if you are certain that you are getting that money back in December. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 01:04:04 AM Do you have an money in your savings account? I won't say the full amount but it's less than half of what I owe everyone. It's hard to tell my parents I have to use all my money to pay people on the internet back..This is why I am asking for patients, with my summer job money some of my savings and a smaller loan than originally asked this can happen pretty quickly. I have Paypal Collections Department Calling me a couple times a day, wanting the money. Since my Account is in the negative. I have run out of patients, maybe because i'm the second highest owed($amount) that I know of. If it was $20 or $30 I wouldn't care, if I was $100 I would wait. But its $600 dollars in my case. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 01:08:14 AM Bitman,
Why are you unwilling to make any good faith payments? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 01:08:32 AM If I did make a good faith payment everyone would keep threating to sue me anyway, I would be more than happy to make a good faith payment but how far would a good faith payment go to 10 people? This is why I wanted a small loan now plus my money I am willing to do that to pay to pay you all back at once.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 01:10:05 AM Bitman, I am willing to, but everyone would still be threating and harrassing me. This is why I am asking for time. At the end of august I can give you all my summer job money.Why are you unwilling to make any good faith payments? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 01:13:25 AM Only 5 of the 10 people you owe have agreed to be part of the small claim. That means 5 people are willing to wait or don't care if they get paid back. Of those remaining five you should offer to make some form of payment now. You have 2k in your saving account now. Again, if you are so sure you are going to get money from your summer job in August then you can pay yourself back.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 01:16:35 AM For the record, I do not condone the threats and harassment. And a small claim is not a threat. It is a legal means to recover funds owed. However if you were transparent with the other members and made a genuine effort to remedy the situation you may find them to be more cordial.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 01:19:58 AM Only 5 of the 10 people you owe have agreed to be part of the small claim. That means 5 people are willing to wait or don't care if they get paid back. Of those remaining five you should offer to make some form of payment now. You have 2k in your saving account now. Again, if you are so sure you are going to get money from your summer job in August then you can pay yourself back. But then the summer job money would have to go to you guys.. I currently have less than 2k bc a relative borrowed money but that money is guarnteed back. That is also my own personal business. I can make a good dent into the amount owed if you guys wait until the end of august. I will pay out possibly 2k. But only to people that I owe $190 or more to as all other amount are pretty low and this will cut into the amount owed pretty wellTitle: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 01:21:50 AM What is your own personal business?
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 01:22:26 AM What is your own personal business? me lending money to a relativeTitle: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 01:23:46 AM Right, That is none of our business. The point is you have money in the bank to make good faith payments now. Why should believe that you won't have another excuse in the end of august?
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Littleshop on August 07, 2012, 01:23:52 AM Only 5 of the 10 people you owe have agreed to be part of the small claim. That means 5 people are willing to wait or don't care if they get paid back. Of those remaining five you should offer to make some form of payment now. You have 2k in your saving account now. Again, if you are so sure you are going to get money from your summer job in August then you can pay yourself back. But then the summer job money would have to go to you guys.. I currently have less than 2k bc a relative borrowed money but that money is guarnteed back. That is also my own personal business. I can make a good dent into the amount owed if you guys wait until the end of august. I will pay out possibly 2k. But only to people that I owe $190 or more to as all other amount are pretty low and this will cut into the amount owed pretty wellAre you saying that because I am at less then $190 I am not going to be paid? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 01:25:32 AM Only 5 of the 10 people you owe have agreed to be part of the small claim. That means 5 people are willing to wait or don't care if they get paid back. Of those remaining five you should offer to make some form of payment now. You have 2k in your saving account now. Again, if you are so sure you are going to get money from your summer job in August then you can pay yourself back. But then the summer job money would have to go to you guys.. I currently have less than 2k bc a relative borrowed money but that money is guarnteed back. That is also my own personal business. I can make a good dent into the amount owed if you guys wait until the end of august. I will pay out possibly 2k. But only to people that I owe $190 or more to as all other amount are pretty low and this will cut into the amount owed pretty wellAre you saying that because I am at less then $190 I am not going to be paid? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 01:26:59 AM Did you ever publish the list of total amount owed to each member with no names?
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Littleshop on August 07, 2012, 01:27:57 AM Only 5 of the 10 people you owe have agreed to be part of the small claim. That means 5 people are willing to wait or don't care if they get paid back. Of those remaining five you should offer to make some form of payment now. You have 2k in your saving account now. Again, if you are so sure you are going to get money from your summer job in August then you can pay yourself back. But then the summer job money would have to go to you guys.. I currently have less than 2k bc a relative borrowed money but that money is guarnteed back. That is also my own personal business. I can make a good dent into the amount owed if you guys wait until the end of august. I will pay out possibly 2k. But only to people that I owe $190 or more to as all other amount are pretty low and this will cut into the amount owed pretty wellAre you saying that because I am at less then $190 I am not going to be paid? I am not saying you should pay anyone first, I think you should pay proportionally. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 01:28:24 AM Did you ever publish the list of total amount owed to each member with no names? Not yet, the whole hash thing was confusing me I will post it with no names, but to be fair I will include everyone in the good faith payment.Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 01:29:53 AM No hashs - no names. Just list the total amount only highest to lowest
1000 900 600 500 250 50 Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 01:38:48 AM $1,095.30
$997.00 $600.00 $408.76 $390.50 $316.50 $190.00 $100.00 $60.00 $58.00 $50.00 $30.00 $22.90 Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 01:40:57 AM Payments should be made on a prorated basis. You didn't make any agreements that some debt would be senior and some would be subordinate. If you have $100 and owed $4,000 then you are repaying 2.5%. You repay each creditor 2.5% of what they are owed. I have a list made with names, amounts and addresses. I don't understand the whole hash thing which is why I didn't do it I didn't want anything to get messed up. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 01:45:29 AM So Send D&T a check tomorrow and he can start making payments.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 01:46:32 AM So Send D&T a check tomorrow and he can start making payments. I said I don't have all my money in my account right now and payments would probably be by $500. I will send him a check once I get paid.Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 01:47:18 AM BurtW, do that math for him on $500.00
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 01:49:22 AM I have to go to sleep now so I can work for all your money for tomorrow.. I will be back on tomorrow night..I work all day.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 01:52:39 AM BitMan its 9:50. You can't go to bed yet. Are you going to send D&T a check for $500 tomorrow? Here are the payments.
$500.00 $1,095.30 25.36% $126.80 $997.00 23.08% $115.42 $600.00 13.89% $69.46 $408.76 9.46% $47.32 $390.50 9.04% $45.21 $316.50 7.33% $36.64 $190.00 4.40% $22.00 $100.00 2.32% $11.58 $60.00 1.39% $6.95 $58.00 1.34% $6.71 $50.00 1.16% $5.79 $30.00 0.69% $3.47 $22.90 0.53% $2.65 $4,318.96 $500.00 If you have google docs I could upload an excel spreadsheet so you can do that math on your own. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TangibleCryptography on August 07, 2012, 02:02:10 AM Normally we use things like bank wires or cashier's checks but if TheBitMan is looking to make a series of smaller payment we can be flexible and use some payment methods which work better in the hundreds of dollar range.
Options: Cash deposit. Only works if he has a Bank Of America branch nearby. We will get him the deposit information. He makes a cash deposit at any Bank Of America branch, sends us a photo/scan of the deposit receipt and we can disburse the funds to all creditors in BTC the same day. Green Dot MoneyPak (up to $500). He purchases a pak loaded w/ up to $500 from any retailer sends us the PIN and scan/photo of receipt. We can disburse BTC the same day. USPS Money Order. Slower because it needs to be mailed and we will wait 1 day for it to clear but it still provides a relatively fast and low cost repayment option. As I indicated up thread we will handle the repayment without any fees. The BTC equivalent of each creditors repayment would be sent based on the MtGox last price at the time we send the repayment. It will be good to see Bitcoin community fix a problem for once. We just need a list of creditors, their bitcoin repayment address, and the amount owed ... oh yeah and some funds. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 02:06:29 AM This is the problem with youth today. They just don't want to except responsibility. How convenient that once he got to a place where a reasonable payment plan relative to funds available to him and he could not make any more excuses he just signs off to goes to bed. He has no intention of paying this dept.
I also was on the phone with Paypal tonight. His account is unverified and paypal claims he's made no effort to try to verify his account and as far as they are concerned these are all fraudulent payment and there will no funds released until he follow through with their requests with he as already admitted several time in this thread he is not able to do (taxes and invoices). Any one else who would like to be party to the claim please PM you paypal charge backs with transaction numbers. It really doesn't make any sense (to me) to wait any longer. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: RandomQ on August 07, 2012, 02:50:09 AM I'm posting in the future in this thread.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=98932. I requested payment in 24hrs and then I'm filing my own small claims against him myself. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Maged on August 07, 2012, 03:10:11 AM Alot of people like myself don't trust you because we feel that you lied to us by not disclosing your age. It is your legal responsibility as an adult to verify that you aren't dealing with a minor. Failure to do so is on you.Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 03:13:11 AM Anyone who did business with TheBitMan knows his real name. And that name seems to be only connected to an individual who graduated from Community College in 2009. So I highly doubt we are dealing with a minor.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: nckrazze on August 07, 2012, 03:16:21 AM Do you have an money in your savings account? I won't say the full amount but it's less than half of what I owe everyone. It's hard to tell my parents I have to use all my money to pay people on the internet back..This is why I am asking for patients, with my summer job money some of my savings and a smaller loan than originally asked this can happen pretty quickly. I have Paypal Collections Department Calling me a couple times a day, wanting the money. Since my Account is in the negative. I have run out of patients, maybe because i'm the second highest owed($amount) that I know of. If it was $20 or $30 I wouldn't care, if I was $100 I would wait. But its $600 dollars in my case. Alot of people like myself don't trust you because we feel that you lied to us by not disclosing your age. I would have never done any business with your if I knew you were 16 at the time, the age required for paypal is 18 and I feel you committed fraud. Oh well I learned my lesson I ask everyone before I trade now, How old are you? can you prove it? RandomQ and I share a very similar perspective. I will come up front and state that the $408.76 is me, and when I came to you for a trade, I judged you with all I had at the time: your username and your reputation on the forum. I'm posting in the future in this thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=98932. I requested payment in 24hrs and then I'm filing my own small claims against him myself. Eager to see the outcome of this claim, as I am sure that he will be unable to send you the funds. This should get him moving/thinking and he might be able to finally see the gravity of the situation. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: LoupGaroux on August 07, 2012, 04:45:33 AM Random-
I hope you prevail in this matter, obtain a judgement, use a Sheriff's seizure and sale and throw this scummy little piece of work, and his parents out on their asses to freeze in a snowbank. Just for the record, I called this one on June 7th. This punk is a liar from the word go, and went into this entire enterprise thinking he was smarter than the entire world, and that he was the one genius who could finesse a PayPal scam. It's too bad a small claims judge can't also sentence him to stay away from the computer for the next couple of decades. Good luck. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 11:31:09 AM To get the money I would have to go to my bank account, by bank closes at 3:00 pm I am in work past that. I will send TC a check or money order friday once my check is cashed. They didnt pay me my first week so it will be over $500 whatever it is I will send you guys the whole thing.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 11:31:51 AM or I can try and take the money out on my lunch break, if I can I will keep you all posted
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 11:49:13 AM I'm posting in the future in this thread. I dont have the money out of my account and I have work all week, how would I be able to send the payment to him if my bank closes at around 3pm?https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=98932. I requested payment in 24hrs and then I'm filing my own small claims against him myself. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 07, 2012, 11:59:08 AM I can guarntee right now I will send a payment of $500 to the total at latest saturday. The reason being I have work all week. My bank may be open later than 3 on fridays but im not sure yet. I will see what I can do friday if my bank and bank of america is closed i will go saturday because both will be open and I will have my paycheck by friday.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TangibleCryptography on August 07, 2012, 01:15:30 PM TheBitMan contacted me for funding instructions using our deposit account. The "threat" of a lawsuit may be more effective than the actual filing. I would recommend waiting to see if he will make a deposit. If he deposits $500 all creditors would receive roughly 12% of what they are owed. Obviously each creditor needs to decide for themselves what the best option is.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 02:14:12 PM My goal has always been for all of the creditors to be repaid in the most civil fashion possible. If TheBitMan has finally seen the light, and will finally make a commitment to repay, I'm glad to wait. I'm also glad to subordinate my debt to others who obviously need it more then I do right now. And I'd glad to let D&C choose how to subordinate my shares.
However if timely payments are not continued (we should decide what constitutes timely payments) the next steps would be: 1. Contact the parent/guardian and inform of our intent to file a small claim and if no response or not effort to may repayment, 2. File the small clalim. Even without RandomQ the small claim would represent more then 1/2 of the funds owed. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: AndyRossy on August 07, 2012, 02:46:51 PM I'd call the Cyberpolice.
Give this kid a break, he's trying to repay it - or at least it seems so. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TangibleCryptography on August 07, 2012, 03:21:36 PM I agree with BurtW. All debts are of equal seniority, so every dollar received in repayment will be split based on the % owed. "KISS"
Code: SHA256 hash of repayment address Owed Pct Test Tx All creditors should verify their repayment address. The table above has SHA-256 hashes of the repayment address provided by TheBitMan. Here is an SHA-256 calculator (you can use another one SHA-256 output should always be the same). http://www.xorbin.com/tools/sha256-hash-calculator Take the address you provided TheBitMan and hash it. Remember trailing spaces, tabs, carriage returns, etc all are "values" in a hash input. Be sure to copy only the exact address with no additional spaces. The % column shows the % each creditor will get from a payment. (i.e. on a $500 repayment the first creditor would get 25.360% * $500 = $126.80). The payment amount will be convert to BTC based on MtGox last at the time bitcoins are transfered to the creditors. Tomorrow I will be sending a test tx of 0.01 BTC split to all creditors by their share. The amount indicated is the amount you should receive if everything is done correctly. If all 13 creditors do the following each payment should be quick and easy: 1) Verify the hash of your address matches the hash in the list. 2) Verify the amount owed matches the amount you are owed. 3) (Tomorrow) verify the amount you receive from the test tx matches the amount listed above. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: xxaudioxx on August 07, 2012, 05:24:07 PM hash and amount is correct for mine.. thnx
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: smyl on August 07, 2012, 06:03:49 PM hash is correct for mine, thank's TC.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: nckrazze on August 07, 2012, 06:36:13 PM Hash and amount owed are correct. Thanks for everything.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 06:39:55 PM hash and amount correct. Thank you.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: RandomQ on August 07, 2012, 08:45:16 PM Hash is Correct.
Original Amount Owed is Correct. I Reserve the right to refuse partial payment, by sending received amount back to the Sender(TangibleCryptography) I do not accept An “accord and satisfaction” of the full debt amount by accepting any Partial Payments. I Reserve the right to Pursue Legal Action in the State of New York. This communication is from a debt collector and is an attempt to collect a debt. Any information obtained will be used for that purpose. ;D Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: redrobin on August 07, 2012, 09:23:31 PM Hash and amount correct. Thanks
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Littleshop on August 07, 2012, 09:46:56 PM Hash and amount correct.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: bbit on August 08, 2012, 02:49:58 AM ......
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TangibleCryptography on August 08, 2012, 06:37:12 PM So I hadn't forgotten about the test message it has just been really busy today. Will probably send it tonight. TheBitMan asked for some clarification on depositing funds so I would say there is a good chance first payment will be made Friday or Saturday.
There are 8 verification in thread and 2 were made privately to me. That still leaves 3 creditors who didn't confirm the hash & amount. I am not going to hunt people down and beg them to get their money back. :) Not sure how we should handle it if there are unconfirmed creditors on the list. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Philj on August 08, 2012, 06:48:18 PM Hash and amount is correct for me too
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 08, 2012, 07:40:51 PM Hold unclaimed funds for 30 days.
After 30 days remove unclaimed creditors from the settlement and recalculate percentages. Then release unclaimed funds and future payment to existing, verified creditors. If unclaimed creditors reappear they can deal the TheBitMan directly. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TangibleCryptography on August 09, 2012, 12:16:58 PM Was busy last night so I didn't setup the test tx. I will set it up now.
11 of 13 reported creditors have confirmed the hash & amount. update: tx sent. 0.01 BTC test repayment split by repayment share. If creditors look up the tx on blockchain.info and wonder why the total is more than 0.01 don't forget there is a 14th address in there (the change). I need some coffee that totally confused me this morning. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TangibleCryptography on August 09, 2012, 12:46:12 PM Hold unclaimed funds for 30 days. After 30 days remove unclaimed creditors from the settlement and recalculate percentages. Then release unclaimed funds and future payment to existing, verified creditors. If unclaimed creditors reappear they can deal the TheBitMan directly. That makes sense. The list I have doesn't show creditors just their repayment address so if the last 2 don't verify I guess I will need all creditors to send me a PM with their adddress so I know which 2 addresses to not send a payment to. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TangibleCryptography on August 09, 2012, 01:45:14 PM I have now given you all that I have from his loan application. I have no way to tie online names to amounts so I guess everyone does have to PM you their amount and address, if they know both then that proves it is them - and you can tie the online name to the amount and address. That will work. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: BCB on August 09, 2012, 01:47:32 PM PM SENT. Thanks T&C. I hope TBM appreciates all the effort you (an many others) have put into this.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 09, 2012, 04:30:48 PM PM SENT. Thanks T&C. I hope TBM appreciates all the effort you (an many others) have put into this. I do appreciate this thank you TCTitle: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: chungenhung on August 09, 2012, 06:50:08 PM Yes, hash of address and amount of debt verified, waiting on the test deposit
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Philj on August 09, 2012, 06:53:47 PM I got my test deposit
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: chungenhung on August 09, 2012, 06:56:31 PM Yes, hash of address and amount of debt verified, waiting on the test deposit You should already have it.i don't see any 0.01 btc incoming to my wallet. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: chungenhung on August 09, 2012, 06:57:34 PM Yes, hash of address and amount of debt verified, waiting on the test deposit You should already have it.i don't see any 0.01 btc incoming to my wallet. Test deposit received! Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Turbor on August 09, 2012, 07:09:31 PM Give this kid a break, he's trying to repay it... That's what Shakaru told all the time :D http://picture.yatego.com/images/446860760a5070.0/117547_kostuem-karneval-halloween-kqh/popcorn-kostuem.jpg Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: smyl on August 09, 2012, 07:36:55 PM I got my test deposit.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Bees Brothers on August 09, 2012, 08:39:37 PM I got my test deposit.
I got involved with this, because I let my 13 year old son use my Paypal account to convert some of his btc to purchase a video game. When the charge back occurred, I went to my son and said I am now $30 negative in my account and who knows when this will get resolved. We came up with two options: 1) pay me now or 2) pay me once this is all over and we are reimbursed, but since time is money, there will be interest due. He didn’t want to pay interest so he paid me in full (with some of his Cognitive Mining Stocks- before they shot up in value- lucky me ;D). Discussing this situation with my son, we have talked about what he would do in the same situation. I pointed out how some of these guys have pretty big amounts tied up, and in the bitcoin world, a lot can happen in a short amount of time. And that time is money. He said he would 1) Empty out his bank account. 2) Sell some his belongings 3) Get a loan from a family member or friend 4) Get another job or expand out what he does with Bees Brothers to pay off the loan as fast as he could. I was glad he recognized that his savings account was now in reality other people’s money. And that the purpose of a savings account is for helping you get out of bad situations when they occur. My son also said that “TangibleCryptography was really cool and that we should send them a box of honey caramels as thanks for helping everyone”. So Tangible Team I will send you a box of honey caramels next week. Thanks. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: nckrazze on August 09, 2012, 08:45:40 PM Test deposit received.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: LoupGaroux on August 09, 2012, 11:06:08 PM I got my test deposit. I got involved with this, because I let my 13 year old son use my Paypal account to convert some of his btc to purchase a video game. When the charge back occurred, I went to my son and said I am now $30 negative in my account and who knows when this will get resolved. We came up with two options: 1) pay me now or 2) pay me once this is all over and we are reimbursed, but since time is money, there will be interest due. He didn’t want to pay interest so he paid me in full (with some of his Cognitive Mining Stocks- before they shot up in value- lucky me ;D). Discussing this situation with my son, we have talked about what he would do in the same situation. I pointed out how some of these guys have pretty big amounts tied up, and in the bitcoin world, a lot can happen in a short amount of time. And that time is money. He said he would 1) Empty out his bank account. 2) Sell some his belongings 3) Get a loan from a family member or friend 4) Get another job or expand out what he does with Bees Brothers to pay off the loan as fast as he could. I was glad he recognized that his savings account was now in reality other people’s money. And that the purpose of a savings account is for helping you get out of bad situations when they occur. My son also said that “TangibleCryptography was really cool and that we should send them a box of honey caramels as thanks for helping everyone”. So Tangible Team I will send you a box of honey caramels next week. Thanks. Responsible parenting! What a refreshing change, somebody who doesn't expect the village to raise his children, but is willing to actually teach them useful lessons in life. I applaud you, Sir. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: nimda on August 09, 2012, 11:11:18 PM I got my test deposit. I got involved with this, because I let my 13 year old son use my Paypal account to convert some of his btc to purchase a video game. When the charge back occurred, I went to my son and said I am now $30 negative in my account and who knows when this will get resolved. We came up with two options: 1) pay me now or 2) pay me once this is all over and we are reimbursed, but since time is money, there will be interest due. He didn’t want to pay interest so he paid me in full (with some of his Cognitive Mining Stocks- before they shot up in value- lucky me ;D). Discussing this situation with my son, we have talked about what he would do in the same situation. I pointed out how some of these guys have pretty big amounts tied up, and in the bitcoin world, a lot can happen in a short amount of time. And that time is money. He said he would 1) Empty out his bank account. 2) Sell some his belongings 3) Get a loan from a family member or friend 4) Get another job or expand out what he does with Bees Brothers to pay off the loan as fast as he could. I was glad he recognized that his savings account was now in reality other people’s money. And that the purpose of a savings account is for helping you get out of bad situations when they occur. My son also said that “TangibleCryptography was really cool and that we should send them a box of honey caramels as thanks for helping everyone”. So Tangible Team I will send you a box of honey caramels next week. Thanks. Responsible parenting! What a refreshing change, somebody who doesn't expect the village to raise his children, but is willing to actually teach them useful lessons in life. I applaud you, Sir. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Littleshop on August 09, 2012, 11:40:39 PM Test deposit received.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: xxaudioxx on August 10, 2012, 12:30:26 AM test deposit received too..
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: John (John K.) on August 10, 2012, 02:50:46 AM I got my test deposit. You're a great parent. I got involved with this, because I let my 13 year old son use my Paypal account to convert some of his btc to purchase a video game. When the charge back occurred, I went to my son and said I am now $30 negative in my account and who knows when this will get resolved. We came up with two options: 1) pay me now or 2) pay me once this is all over and we are reimbursed, but since time is money, there will be interest due. He didn’t want to pay interest so he paid me in full (with some of his Cognitive Mining Stocks- before they shot up in value- lucky me ;D). Discussing this situation with my son, we have talked about what he would do in the same situation. I pointed out how some of these guys have pretty big amounts tied up, and in the bitcoin world, a lot can happen in a short amount of time. And that time is money. He said he would 1) Empty out his bank account. 2) Sell some his belongings 3) Get a loan from a family member or friend 4) Get another job or expand out what he does with Bees Brothers to pay off the loan as fast as he could. I was glad he recognized that his savings account was now in reality other people’s money. And that the purpose of a savings account is for helping you get out of bad situations when they occur. My son also said that “TangibleCryptography was really cool and that we should send them a box of honey caramels as thanks for helping everyone”. So Tangible Team I will send you a box of honey caramels next week. Thanks. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: RandomQ on August 10, 2012, 08:15:14 AM Test Deposit Received
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: AndyG on August 10, 2012, 10:04:13 PM I agree with BurtW. All debts are of equal seniority, so every dollar received in repayment will be split based on the % owed. "KISS" Code: SHA256 hash of repayment address Owed Pct Test Tx All creditors should verify their repayment address. The table above has SHA-256 hashes of the repayment address provided by TheBitMan. Here is an SHA-256 calculator (you can use another one SHA-256 output should always be the same). http://www.xorbin.com/tools/sha256-hash-calculator Take the address you provided TheBitMan and hash it. Remember trailing spaces, tabs, carriage returns, etc all are "values" in a hash input. Be sure to copy only the exact address with no additional spaces. The % column shows the % each creditor will get from a payment. (i.e. on a $500 repayment the first creditor would get 25.360% * $500 = $126.80). The payment amount will be convert to BTC based on MtGox last at the time bitcoins are transfered to the creditors. Tomorrow I will be sending a test tx of 0.01 BTC split to all creditors by their share. The amount indicated is the amount you should receive if everything is done correctly. If all 13 creditors do the following each payment should be quick and easy: 1) Verify the hash of your address matches the hash in the list. 2) Verify the amount owed matches the amount you are owed. 3) (Tomorrow) verify the amount you receive from the test tx matches the amount listed above. Verified - I received 0.00090415. Amount owed is correct. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: Raoul Duke on August 11, 2012, 10:56:45 AM Hey, TheBitMan, why don't you post on the OP that the service is closed and maybe say it on the thread title also?
Still hoping for some business? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 11, 2012, 01:26:01 PM Hey, TheBitMan, why don't you post on the OP that the service is closed and maybe say it on the thread title also? I just tell anyone who emails me that its shut down, I have a few threads and cant find them all.Still hoping for some business? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal Post by: TheBitMan on August 11, 2012, 01:26:43 PM BTW I am going to the bank in a few hours, I will keep you all updated.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: TangibleCryptography on August 11, 2012, 04:40:30 PM So a heads up I have only received verification of the test deposit from:
D&T BCB BurtW Philj chungenhung smyl Bees Brothers nckrazze Littleshop xxaudioxx RandomQ AndyG That is 12 of 13 creditors. The list I have from TheBitMan has PayPal names, amount, and repayment addresses so I can't determine which address is used by the missing creditor. Given 1 creditor couldn't follow instructions I will need everyone who hasn't to send me a PM with their deposit address & amount. If you already did this (roughly half have) then I don't need it again. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: TheBitMan on August 11, 2012, 04:43:43 PM Good faith payment of $500 has been made to TC, I have emailed him the list of addresses and amounts along with the receipt of the deposit.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: TangibleCryptography on August 11, 2012, 05:00:47 PM Good faith payment of $500 has been made to TC, I have emailed him the list of addresses and amounts along with the receipt of the deposit. Confirmed TheBitMan did deposit $500 today. Since one of the thirteen creditors hasn't confirmed I am uncomfortable sending a sendmany and paying everyone at once. Worse I can't simply pay the 12 who have confirmed because the list I have doesn't have forum names. This is why I need a PM from EACH creditor with their deposit address, amount, and confirmation they got the test deposit before I can send a payment. I had wanted to send a single sendmany at a single MtGox price to avoid a lot of work for myself but for this first payment it looks like I will need to send out individual payments. Code: 20664a92d28274a0f15c1e7a92cefcb837800d91b95a686abe23d8cd04574d33 $408.76 9.464% $47.32 Table has SHA-256 hash of repayment address, the amount owed, the share of total owed, and the share of the $500 repayment today. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: BCB on August 11, 2012, 05:08:47 PM TheBitMan
Thank you for the payment. Please keep us updated with regards to schedule of future payments. I would appreciate it if you could post here a date of a next payment or a list of dates for future payments and the amounts you expect to pay. I will agree to withhold of any future small claim filing unless: 1. Any stated payment date is more then 30 days delinquent or 2. 30 days from today (September 12, 2012) if no future payment date is posted here or 3. Any period of more then 60 days passes without a subsequent payment or 4. Any future payment is less then the initial payment of $500.00 I would ask that RandomQ agree to the same but it is obviously his choice of when to file based on your expected voluntary repayment schedule. Thank you. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: crosby on August 12, 2012, 11:00:55 AM Good faith payment of $500 has been made to TC, I have emailed him the list of addresses and amounts along with the receipt of the deposit. I applaud you, Bitman. I have been watching this unfold for some time now. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: TheBitMan on August 13, 2012, 02:00:51 PM Just a message to everyone, once school starts I will not be on here as much so dont jump to conclusion if I dont respond as quickly as I do now. Please be patient as I may only check once a week because I am going to have school work and hopefully another job by then.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: TangibleCryptography on August 13, 2012, 11:28:09 PM I have manually sent payments to all 13 creditors.
Code: f0ec23f43c9409d5b4250de11aeafb09181cb8a767fd2a24e6662138e032164c $50.00 1.158% $5.79 0.50554 BTC @ $11.50 The "MtGox last price" at the time of payment was used for conversion. They conversion rate vary per creditor because I had to make manual payments at different times. Now that all creditors have verified their address, future payments made by TheBitMan will be converted to BTC, split by share, and paid as a single sendmany tx. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: TheBitMan on August 18, 2012, 05:52:31 PM How much more time do you need? You"ve made one weak payment in 3 months. You owe 4K and have made one payment of 500 dollars. Nobody cares about your schoolwork. You have plenty of money to go to school yet you can't repay people you ripped off. I don't go to college..I go to high school, I don't pay for that.. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: BCB on August 18, 2012, 05:53:53 PM @redrobin
For what is worth I've asked him to keep up with the schedule below. So if an equal or greater payment of 500 is not made on or before Sept 12, the small claim will be filed. RandonQ who is filing his own small claim has also agreed to these terms. You sent your address to be repaid so I think it only fair you also agree. If he doesn't continue to make timely payment we'll proceed as described. If that's not soon enough for you you'll have to file you own claim. Everyone is pissed off and everyone wants their money back. Badgering him won't help. Thanks. TheBitMan Thank you for the payment. Please keep us updated with regards to schedule of future payments. I would appreciate it if you could post here a date of a next payment or a list of dates for future payments and the amounts you expect to pay. I will agree to withhold of any future small claim filing unless: 1. Any stated payment date is more then 30 days delinquent or 2. 30 days from today (September 12, 2012) if no future payment date is posted here or 3. Any period of more then 60 days passes without a subsequent payment or 4. Any future payment is less then the initial payment of $500.00 I would ask that RandomQ agree to the same but it is obviously his choice of when to file based on your expected voluntary repayment schedule. Thank you. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: redrobin on August 18, 2012, 06:09:15 PM How much more time do you need? You"ve made one weak payment in 3 months. You owe 4K and have made one payment of 500 dollars. Nobody cares about your schoolwork. You have plenty of money to go to school yet you can't repay people you ripped off. I don't go to college..I go to high school, I don't pay for that.. I care? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: John (John K.) on August 18, 2012, 06:15:32 PM How much more time do you need? You"ve made one weak payment in 3 months. You owe 4K and have made one payment of 500 dollars. Nobody cares about your schoolwork. You have plenty of money to go to school yet you can't repay people you ripped off. I don't go to college..I go to high school, I don't pay for that.. I care? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: TheBitMan on August 18, 2012, 11:51:31 PM as requested by pm to post here i do still intend to pay more back
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: RandomQ on August 20, 2012, 09:04:02 PM Any chance of another payment this coming weekend?
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: TheBitMan on August 20, 2012, 11:02:49 PM I have some big news for everyone!! Paypal has released the funds. It has been 45 days since the account was limited and they sent me an email saying I can now take money out. I have taken the remaining amount owed for everyone out and I should receive the check shortly! I hope to pay you all back in your full amounts within the next 2 weeks. (Although it may take paypal some time to send the check) I will keep everyone updated.
http://i46.tinypic.com/14d3tz7.jpg Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: nckrazze on August 21, 2012, 12:04:19 AM I have some big news for everyone!! Paypal has released the funds. It has been 45 days since the account was limited and they sent me an email saying I can now take money out. I have taken the remaining amount owed for everyone out and I should receive the check shortly! I hope to pay you all back in your full amounts within the next 2 weeks. (Although it may take paypal some time to send the check) I will keep everyone updated. Congratulations on your coming of age :P Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: TheBitMan on August 24, 2012, 09:47:15 PM I am asking anyone who has written my name to please delete any post with my name or info, once you get paid back of course. I think it's fair enough that once I pay you back you can delete the post. I don't want this whole fiasco to stop me from getting a good job in the future. I will tell everyone once I get the check which should be soon.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: Dubitus on August 24, 2012, 09:57:24 PM Is this still up? If so, what are the fees?
The website is very poor on information. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: nimda on August 24, 2012, 09:58:55 PM Is this still up? If so, what are the fees? The title of your post reads:The website is very poor on information. "Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed)" Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: TheBitMan on August 25, 2012, 01:10:49 AM Is this still up? If so, what are the fees? "buying coins has been permanetly halted" on the sites homepageThe website is very poor on information. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: nimda on August 25, 2012, 01:22:20 AM Has everyone been paid back? This thread is looking a lot more hopeful than pirate's lately :)
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: TheBitMan on August 25, 2012, 01:31:47 PM so what will you do next TheBitMan I think im done you closed the gambling site , you closed this , any new projects or you done with bitcoin ? Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: TheBitMan on August 25, 2012, 01:32:27 PM Has everyone been paid back? This thread is looking a lot more hopeful than pirate's lately :) I will announce on here once I make the final payment.Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: smyl on August 28, 2012, 06:11:24 PM Any news on the money from paypal?
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: TheBitMan on August 28, 2012, 09:25:19 PM Any news on the money from paypal? Yep, got the check. Do to bank timings and my schedule I will send the money out Saturday. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: TangibleCryptography on August 28, 2012, 09:27:20 PM I can confirm TheBitMan has contacted us to handle this second (and final) payment to all creditors. We will await his deposit as before.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: bbit on August 29, 2012, 03:46:04 PM Quote you closed the gambling site , you closed this , any new projects or you done with bitcoin ? I think im done no shit sherlock lol ..... Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: chungenhung on August 29, 2012, 07:53:37 PM I can confirm TheBitMan has contacted us to handle this second (and final) payment to all creditors. We will await his deposit as before. Good to hear. Once this happens, TheBitMint is a hell lot more trustworthy that Pirate!Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: BCB on August 29, 2012, 07:56:05 PM Quote you closed the gambling site , you closed this , any new projects or you done with bitcoin ? I think im done no shit sherlock lol ..... bbit, you can say what you want but the kids is making good on his debt. That's more then I can say about a lot of bitcoiners (scammer's) around here. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: bbit on August 29, 2012, 09:57:08 PM Quote you closed the gambling site , you closed this , any new projects or you done with bitcoin ? I think im done no shit sherlock lol ..... bbit, you can say what you want but the kids is making good on his debt. That's more then I can say about a lot of bitcoiners (scammer's) around here. problem is he was told NOT to do what he was doing early on but he was arrogant littlebitman so he stained bitcoin with this and some people are still pissed... lol ... I was one of the few people who said STOP do not go further...along with Matthew W. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: BCB on August 29, 2012, 10:00:39 PM Quote you closed the gambling site , you closed this , any new projects or you done with bitcoin ? I think im done no shit sherlock lol ..... bbit, you can say what you want but the kids is making good on his debt. That's more then I can say about a lot of bitcoiners (scammer's) around here. problem is he was told NOT to do what he was doing early on but he was arrogant littlebitman so he stained bitcoin with this and some people are still pissed... lol ... I was one of the few people who said STOP do not go further...along with Matthew W. Any you always did what your mother told you? I'm sure you were 17 once. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: IveBeenBit on August 29, 2012, 10:15:58 PM bbit, you can say what you want but the kids is making good on his debt. That's more then I can say about a lot of bitcoiners (scammer's) around here. This is somewhat funny to me because in the real world, I take it for granted that people will pay back money they owe, sort of like how I take it for granted that my next door neighbors won't go through the car parked in my driveway in the middle of the night and steal the change out of the console. It's a sad statement about the quality of people in this forum in general that someone making good on the damages inflicted on others is praised for doing the bare minimum. I've been reading this thread as it developed and it was clear to me that Bitman was planning all along to pay when he got around to it and it was convenient for him. He didn't actually DO anything until it was obvious that a small claims court case was imminent. He took no steps to ease the burden on his creditors when he had the chance. Specifically, he dodged questions when people asked him to borrow money from his parents; he refused to provide ID and information to people like Patrick who were going to front him the money, and he gave nothing but excuses when people asked that he make good faith payments. When the small claims case was about to be filed, he suddenly got a job and made a token loan payment. I'm happy that everyone will be reimbursed, but just as a general comment on the bitcoin "business world" in general, it's time we start demanding higher standards of conduct. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: BCB on August 29, 2012, 10:21:50 PM For me this is the whole print of the thread. "What you do on-line has real world implications." When people choose to trust and respect individuals on line the same as they in real life we'll all be better off. I hope the TheBitMan has learned that lesson and others watching this thread can see that. And in at lease some pockets of this board and in the bitcoin economy in general there is a desire to have a civil society based on mutual trust and respect and the knowledge that even on line our actions have consequences.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: bbit on August 29, 2012, 11:00:26 PM Quote Any you always did what your mother told you? I'm sure you were 17 once. I would obey adults when I was 17 specially when it came to dealing with other people's money. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: TheBitMan on August 31, 2012, 10:18:56 PM Went to the bank today, I couldn't cash it since I don't have the amount of money the check was in my account so I have to wait for it to clear which takes 2 bussiness days. Monday is a holiday here in the US so you will all have your money probaly by thursday. Sorry for the delay everyone I want this to be over as much as you do.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: TheBitMan on August 31, 2012, 10:29:25 PM Due to my schedule and bank of americas hours friday is the latest the final payment may be made. Since they are open later fridays it may be friday since that fits my schedule.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: Philj on September 05, 2012, 05:44:19 PM Any update? Friday was 3 banking days ago
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: TheBitMan on September 05, 2012, 06:58:51 PM Any update? Friday was 3 banking days ago due to the way my schedule is I will go friday, i meant this fridayTitle: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: chungenhung on September 06, 2012, 05:01:16 PM Any update? Friday was 3 banking days ago due to the way my schedule is I will go friday, i meant this fridayTitle: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: TheBitMan on September 07, 2012, 09:38:26 PM Final payment has been made and you should all receive the btc soon.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: RandomQ on September 07, 2012, 09:47:40 PM That's great that this is finally over, now I just have to pay off the collection company that paypal sold this debt too....
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: TangibleCryptography on September 07, 2012, 10:33:28 PM Verifying TheBitMan deposit now.
Will be paying all 14 creditors (TheBitMan added one more) within the hour. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: Littleshop on September 07, 2012, 10:43:16 PM Verifying TheBitMan deposit now. Will be paying all 14 creditors (TheBitMan added one more) within the hour. I was just paid. Thank you TheBitMan for making it right, thank you Tangible for helping! Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: BCB on September 07, 2012, 10:45:05 PM Paid in full. Thank you.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - PAID IN FULL Post by: TangibleCryptography on September 07, 2012, 10:51:43 PM Code:
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: xxaudioxx on September 07, 2012, 11:08:06 PM payment received. thanks..
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: chungenhung on September 08, 2012, 01:08:12 AM Received.
OP, you are a good honest person. you actually paid everyone back. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: DeathAndTaxes on September 08, 2012, 01:10:34 AM Received. Glad to see the OP make good on his obligations.
"It's not how we fall. It's how we get back up again." Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: TheBitMan on September 08, 2012, 04:01:58 AM I never intended to scam anyone and I am happy this is finally over with. I am sorry for all the trouble this has caused. I strongly believe Bitcoin has a good future but for it to survive I believe PayPal and Bitcoin should never be said in the same sentence again.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: LoupGaroux on September 08, 2012, 04:30:09 AM Good job handling your business properly. I commend your actions.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: Bees Brothers on September 08, 2012, 06:25:21 AM Thanks BitMan for sticking trough to the end. Thanks TangibleCryptography for your troubles and help. My son has a box of honey caramels shipping off to you on Monday. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: Littleshop on September 08, 2012, 05:38:34 PM While I personally will not need to purchase bitcoins with cash, you may have earned enough trust to offer a bitcoin for cash business now.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: TheBitMan on September 08, 2012, 06:00:05 PM While I personally will not need to purchase bitcoins with cash, you may have earned enough trust to offer a bitcoin for cash business now. I think I am done with businesses for Bitcoin, at least for now. This whole thing did a job on me.Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: nckrazze on September 09, 2012, 07:55:27 AM I did not receive my coins.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: TheBitMan on September 09, 2012, 04:28:52 PM I did not receive my coins. i spoke to tangible, there was some kind of error, you should have the coins now.Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: chungenhung on September 10, 2012, 07:27:01 PM I did not receive my coins. i spoke to tangible, there was some kind of error, you should have the coins now.You can learn from TheBitMan. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: BCB on September 10, 2012, 08:13:58 PM See that BitMan. You can walk away from this knowing that your're no pirate ( or Nckrazze for that matter!).
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: mark_logan on September 10, 2012, 09:12:11 PM I just read this thread beginning to end, and although the kid made a BIG mistake (Paypal), it's really quite remarkable how this thing turned out. This summer has been a gong show of scams and failures. I'm happy to see someone, finally 'fessing up and working to right the wrongs they've committed.
Good on "TheBitman" for working to make things right. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: BCB on September 10, 2012, 09:25:47 PM Yes, I think this should be stickied somewhere as a bitcoin morality tale. Also as an example how the community worked together to from a consensus and reach a resolution.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: smyl on September 10, 2012, 09:55:13 PM I got paid also.
Thanks BitMan for making good... Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: LoupGaroux on September 10, 2012, 11:37:10 PM Whoever would have predicted that the slick high school kid would end up as the honorable guy, and the notorious pirate would end up as the scummy thief?
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: BCB on September 10, 2012, 11:38:58 PM With a nic like Pirate??!! You can't be serious. Now for the kid, I was on the fence right up until my BTC payment hit.
Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: LoupGaroux on September 10, 2012, 11:45:11 PM With a nic like Pirate??!! You can't be serious. Now for the kid, I was on the fence right up until my BTC payment hit. See , I was going with the Margaritaville version of "pirateat40" and figured it was some good old boy who likes to get high and play steel drum soft porn sing along and get drunk music. Title: Re: TheBitMint - Buy Bitcoins With PayPal (Site Closed) Post by: Maged on September 11, 2012, 12:42:39 AM Whoever would have predicted that the slick high school kid would end up as the honorable guy, and the notorious pirate would end up as the scummy thief? I always thought both of these things, as shown by my post history. I'm glad to see that I was right. |
