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Title: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 08, 2012, 01:36:48 PM Bitcoinary.com
https://www.bitcoinary.com (https://www.bitcoinary.com) Current exchanges between them handle about 17 currencies (GBP, EUR, USD etc) but what about the other 150+ currencies in the world ? and what about some of the other ways people want to buy or sell i.e. Paypal ? Bitcoinary is a peer to peer exchange, or more simply a person to person exchange. It's like an e-bay but for Bitcoins. You can create a trading history similar to the bitcoin-otc, a web of trust if you like. Also people can link to their social profiles and mobile number to establish credibility and reputation. https://www.bitcoinary.com/assets/bitcoin-buy-sell-d3d392549bb551f7aab8e4169c583a6b.png Be a Market Maker Are you in a country underserved by Bitcoin exchanges currently ? You could make money as a market maker for your local currency and using Bitcoinary to meet buyers and sellers. Also there are other markets that are underserved that would benefit from Bitcoinary. Chicken and Egg This is going to be a difficult site to get up and running, It's going to take time to establish a decent level of buyers and sellers. To help kick things off I'm going to be a market maker for Paypal trades. I'm then looking to recruit as many market makers as possible. If you're interested PM me here or through the contact page on the site. Feedback I think a site like this is key to making Bitcoin successful, we need to open up Bitcoin to more countries and more markets. I'd love to hear what people think about Bitcoinary, I'm pretty thick skinned so don't pull any punches. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: bravetheheat on June 08, 2012, 01:47:38 PM Nice design and idea :)
I believe that a few others have had already thought this up, but good to see a easy-to-use web interface =D When attempting to confirm my account, however, the page just times out - I can load the home page just fine. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: Bitcoin Oz on June 08, 2012, 01:52:33 PM Should be able to add your gpg keys :)
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: HostFat on June 08, 2012, 01:56:35 PM I verified my facebook/twitter account just to test, but now I can't disconnect them.
This is missing feature. I also can't edit my avatar. Can you also add something like this ( tag feature ) ( I wrote this suggestion for the bitmarket.eu service ) Quote In italy we are used to use "Postepay" as method to pay services/things. It's a card from the postal service. The good thing we are able to recharge other people's card without passing through paypal/visa/mastercard circuits. I was going to ask you to add this method to pay bitcoin on your service, but now I have a better idea! Tags! I think that every country has its good/best method to send money between people ( as I said in italy we have Postepay ) I know that it's a boring stuff asking everyone which is his own best method, and then adding it on your service. So this is my idea: You should add an option to add tags to every offers and the possibility to search tags. If you add this, this will be the result, example: I'm the seller I put my offer and I want to say to others that I'm going to accept "postepay". I'll search to see if others have already used postepay as tag, so I'll search "poste". I'll get these results: postepay(152),poste-pay(2),poste pay(6) So now I'm going to add the "postepay" tag ( because I saw that it's the most common tag used on your services ) I'm the buyer I only have postepay card, and I want to buy bitcoins. I'll open bitmarket and I'll search "poste". I'll get the same results but with checkboxes. postepay(152)[ ],poste-pay(2)[ ],poste pay(6)[ ] If I want to see only the offers of the first 2 tags, I'll check only them. postepay(152)[X],poste-pay(2)[X],poste pay(6)[ ] So I'll get 154 results and I'll chose the best one. You should also add the possibility to safe some tags-search, so I'll be able to see then the next time with only one click. If you add this tags feature, you will be able to accept every possible cards/services all over the world! It will work completely without any other implementations. People will add new methods by their own :) Users must be able to add more tags to the same offer. ( you can put a limit of 2/3 tags ... ) If they want to use other services they will only need to open other offers as they do now. What do you think about it? :) Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: Maria on June 08, 2012, 02:05:01 PM My Paypal Order!
Id User Buy State Previous Trades Verifications Open Since 2ac4803fae50bd12fc8de297d2f4493d 6 Maria Buy 10.0 BTC for MTGOX + 10% Paypal (USD) open 0 1 minute Great Job and much needed service Ian!! Remember to put security on top of your List!! Maria. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 08, 2012, 02:24:28 PM I'm getting my developer to add image editing for the avatar.
Let me think about the best way to do the tag feature. I verified my facebook/twitter account just to test, but now I can't disconnect them. This is missing feature. I also can't edit my avatar. Can you also add something like this ( tag feature ) ( I wrote this suggestion for the bitmarket.eu service ) Quote In italy we are used to use "Postepay" as method to pay services/things. It's a card from the postal service. The good thing we are able to recharge other people's card without passing through paypal/visa/mastercard circuits. I was going to ask you to add this method to pay bitcoin on your service, but now I have a better idea! Tags! I think that every country has its good/best method to send money between people ( as I said in italy we have Postepay ) I know that it's a boring stuff asking everyone which is his own best method, and then adding it on your service. So this is my idea: You should add an option to add tags to every offers and the possibility to search tags. If you add this, this will be the result, example: I'm the seller I put my offer and I want to say to others that I'm going to accept "postepay". I'll search to see if others have already used postepay as tag, so I'll search "poste". I'll get these results: postepay(152),poste-pay(2),poste pay(6) So now I'm going to add the "postepay" tag ( because I saw that it's the most common tag used on your services ) I'm the buyer I only have postepay card, and I want to buy bitcoins. I'll open bitmarket and I'll search "poste". I'll get the same results but with checkboxes. postepay(152)[ ],poste-pay(2)[ ],poste pay(6)[ ] If I want to see only the offers of the first 2 tags, I'll check only them. postepay(152)[X],poste-pay(2)[X],poste pay(6)[ ] So I'll get 154 results and I'll chose the best one. You should also add the possibility to safe some tags-search, so I'll be able to see then the next time with only one click. If you add this tags feature, you will be able to accept every possible cards/services all over the world! It will work completely without any other implementations. People will add new methods by their own :) Users must be able to add more tags to the same offer. ( you can put a limit of 2/3 tags ... ) If they want to use other services they will only need to open other offers as they do now. What do you think about it? :) Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: HostFat on June 08, 2012, 02:41:15 PM @dogisland
I also want to be able to disconnect facebook/twitter/other accounts if needed. I see the "Choose a currency." page. You have to modify it so that there will be 2 editable fields ( minimun ): - field 1 currency/s: [ ] ( here people will enter the currency, I repeat the currency only, not the service, that they want to transfer ) - field 2 service/s: [ ] This is the most important. Here people will enter the service that they want to use for the exchange. It must be a completely editable field. If the user start by writting "P", the field must show all the tags ( services ) entered before from other users , example: paypal ( 23 ) pay pal ( 2 ) poste-pay ( 5 ) postepay ( 32 ) If the the users write "po" then it will only show: poste-pay ( 5 ) postepay ( 32 ) Another example, the user writes "m" Moneybookers ( 12 ) Moneygram ( 11 ) Another example, the user writes "d" Dwolla ( 45 ) The number after the name is the number of offers that are using the tag, the user will probably use the most common used. Example: I'm going to use "postepay" instead of "poste-pay". So the users will chose the one ( or more than one ) that he likes. If there aren't any services that he like to use, he can simply write the name of the service that he only know. He will just be the first user that has entered this service/tag. I call this kind of feature "tags" because it works like the tags on blogs/forums :) You have to add also a search system where the user insert the tag name to find all offers that are using it. EDIT: I also don't think that it's really needed to show our real name to other users. This must be another on/off option. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 08, 2012, 07:51:56 PM If the the users write "po" then it will only show: poste-pay ( 5 ) postepay ( 32 ) EDIT: I also don't think that it's really needed to show our real name to other users. This must be another on/off option. What currencies does postpay support ? EUR ? Could I not just add Postepay (EUR) as an option for the short term ? Thanks. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: BitPay Business Solutions on June 08, 2012, 08:24:50 PM nicely done. I joined, verified my email, and verified my facebook in less than 60 seconds.
I would like to disconnect the facebook now, though. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: Maria on June 08, 2012, 08:53:29 PM Hi Ian ,
60 USD sent via paypal. My address is on the messages. Service is looking good! Maria. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: ildubbioso on June 08, 2012, 09:00:54 PM What currencies does postpay support ? EUR ? Thanks. Yes, postepay accepts EUR, is used mainly in Italy. I think that should be useful, for the credibility, the possibility to link the userpage on this forum. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: Timbo925 on June 08, 2012, 09:05:50 PM Looks great. I see great possibility's for this.
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 08, 2012, 09:36:50 PM Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 08, 2012, 09:39:36 PM nicely done. I joined, verified my email, and verified my facebook in less than 60 seconds. I would like to disconnect the facebook now, though. Thanks. I will be adding a disconnect facility. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: ildubbioso on June 08, 2012, 09:49:17 PM In the Open Trades Book there should be some options to search better in the trades, like "buy BTC" and "sell BTC".
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: BitPay Business Solutions on June 08, 2012, 09:54:34 PM In the Open Trades Book there should be some options to search better in the trades, like "buy BTC" and "sell BTC". yes, the easy way is to put buy and sell in different columns, then sort them. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: thezerg on June 08, 2012, 10:09:55 PM how does the site make $? Is there a fee?
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 08, 2012, 10:14:16 PM In the Open Trades Book there should be some options to search better in the trades, like "buy BTC" and "sell BTC". yes, the easy way is to put buy and sell in different columns, then sort them. OK, adding it to my list of things to do. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 08, 2012, 10:19:02 PM how does the site make $? Is there a fee? I've not implemented the fees yet. Current thinking is 0.5 - 1% paid by the market maker. At the moment it's free while I iron out any issues and add the features people are already asking for. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: giszmo on June 08, 2012, 11:19:51 PM how does the site make $? Is there a fee? I've not implemented the fees yet. Current thinking is 0.5 - 1% paid by the market maker. At the moment it's free while I iron out any issues and add the features people are already asking for. Is 1% a promised max? If your fees exceed 1% I would not bother registering. Actually I just registered but don't get my activation mail. edit: thinking of it, as long as you don't handle money yourself, I don't see why you should take such a high cut at all. 1% capped at 1$ would seam more reasonable to me. Also I don't see how you would enforce any fees if the deals happen person to person for cash. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: thezerg on June 08, 2012, 11:21:10 PM Seems to be an issue "entering into trade". There's basically an issue around that whole thing which is that in one trade I managed to do the whole thing over PM and never got the chance to "enter into a trade" and therefore leave a review (I assume).
In the other txn I get a button but when I click through the "yes I agree" screen I get this 404: The page you were looking for doesn't exist. You may have mistyped the address or the page may have moved. Also a way to remove trades would be nice! :-) But anyway, great site! Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: HostFat on June 09, 2012, 12:06:01 AM If you add the tag system correctly ( as I'm suggesting ), it doesn't matter which currency is on postepay or any others ( like dwolla )
No one is going to add "postepay" with "usd" currency. It will works everytime, without any other action by you/developer. Users will add by themself their own-country money-services. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: Bimmerhead on June 09, 2012, 12:56:16 AM The website looks terrific, and the concept is excellent as well, but it won't let me register.
Says "Something went wrong" after hitting Create an Account. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: giszmo on June 09, 2012, 03:24:35 AM The website looks terrific, and the concept is excellent as well, but it won't let me register. Says "Something went wrong" after hitting Create an Account. Same here. That's no fun to try to register Little Bobby Tables when the service doesn't work at all :( Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: giszmo on June 09, 2012, 06:13:53 AM Ok now I linked my diverse accounts but how do I register my other 4 prepaid phones and my other 4 email addresses to add extra trust? I also would like to add my 150 facebook accounts that I bought cheap last year and the twitter accounts. Actually I happen to have access to 6.5 million linkedin accounts I'd like to add :)
Ok, seriously, these trust thingies are nice and well integrated but I saw I was logged in with my January-2012 twitter account while I have also a 2009(?) account. How can I change it. Also why not link the facebook account openly when you already use the facebook hosted profile pic that via tineye would lead to the facebook account even if self-hosted without the facebook-id plain open in the image source? Should I be thankful you did not disclose my twitter and email like you disclosed my facebook id or is disclosing these just not yet implemented? Ok, great, now that I tested you and found you don't treat my privacy with the due respect, I would like to delete my facebook connection and as this does not work I would like to delete my account. Great, even that does not work. Maybe there is some undocumented way to do that? Hmm … I want a service where I can disclose a set of information only to my direct trading partners upon request but your site discloses them to even google crawlers. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: Bitcoin Oz on June 09, 2012, 06:20:21 AM Ok now I linked my diverse accounts but how do I register my other 4 prepaid phones and my other 4 email addresses to add extra trust? I also would like to add my 150 facebook accounts that I bought cheap last year and the twitter accounts. Actually I happen to have access to 6.5 million linkedin accounts I'd like to add :) Ok, seriously, these trust thingies are nice and well integrated but I saw I was logged in with my January-2012 twitter account while I have also a 2009(?) account. How can I change it. Also why not link the facebook account openly when you already use the facebook hosted profile pic that via tineye would lead to the facebook account even if self-hosted without the facebook-id plain open in the image source? Should I be thankful you did not disclose my twitter and email like you disclosed my facebook id or is disclosing these just not yet implemented? Ok, great, now that I tested you and found you don't treat my privacy with the due respect, I would like to delete my facebook connection and as this does not work I would like to delete my account. Great, even that does not work. Maybe there is some undocumented way to do that? Hmm … I want a service where I can disclose a set of information only to my direct trading partners upon request but your site discloses them to even google crawlers. I didnt want everyone having my facebook details either so I deleted the bitcoinary app untill I can choose to only share it with the people I am trading with :) Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 09, 2012, 07:36:16 AM how does the site make $? Is there a fee? I've not implemented the fees yet. Current thinking is 0.5 - 1% paid by the market maker. At the moment it's free while I iron out any issues and add the features people are already asking for. Is 1% a promised max? If your fees exceed 1% I would not bother registering. Actually I just registered but don't get my activation mail. edit: thinking of it, as long as you don't handle money yourself, I don't see why you should take such a high cut at all. 1% capped at 1$ would seam more reasonable to me. Also I don't see how you would enforce any fees if the deals happen person to person for cash. I've got a make a living, so 1% capped at $1 would be great if volumes are huge. I don't see any need to go over 1%. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: giszmo on June 09, 2012, 08:01:32 AM I didnt want everyone having my facebook details either so I deleted the bitcoinary app untill I can choose to only share it with the people I am trading with :) I think I remember I granted access, but at https://www.facebook.com/bookmarks/apps it is not listed!? Do I have to block it? What's its name? Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: Bitcoin Oz on June 09, 2012, 09:06:07 AM I didnt want everyone having my facebook details either so I deleted the bitcoinary app untill I can choose to only share it with the people I am trading with :) I think I remember I granted access, but at https://www.facebook.com/bookmarks/apps it is not listed!? Do I have to block it? What's its name? In your "account settings" there should be a link to "applications" and you can see which ones have access. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: hazek on June 09, 2012, 11:19:44 AM Also I don't see how you would enforce any fees if the deals happen person to person for cash. Best strategy would be to charge the market maker for the ability to receive a rating. So say a market maker sells something but wants +rep for his account then he needs to pay a small fee to be able to receive +rep, if he doesn't pay, he can still make a trade, he just can't increase his reputation. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 09, 2012, 11:44:17 AM I want a service where I can disclose a set of information only to my direct trading partners upon request but your site discloses them to even google crawlers. I don't know why I didn't do it like that, I'll be changing it over to make it more private in the next few days. Thanks. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 09, 2012, 11:45:37 AM Also I don't see how you would enforce any fees if the deals happen person to person for cash. Best strategy would be to charge the market maker for the ability to receive a rating. So say a market maker sells something but wants +rep for his account then he needs to pay a small fee to be able to receive +rep, if he doesn't pay, he can still make a trade, he just can't increase his reputation. Also a great idea, that's how I'll implement fees. Thanks for this. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: istar on June 09, 2012, 01:58:19 PM Also I don't see how you would enforce any fees if the deals happen person to person for cash. Best strategy would be to charge the market maker for the ability to receive a rating. So say a market maker sells something but wants +rep for his account then he needs to pay a small fee to be able to receive +rep, if he doesn't pay, he can still make a trade, he just can't increase his reputation. Also a great idea, that's how I'll implement fees. Thanks for this. Another way would be to not get access to the reviews unless you pay. Thus you are taking a risc by not paying. Its in both the seller and buyers interest to get access to this info. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: HostFat on June 09, 2012, 02:55:48 PM Anyway, you should still show the number of transactions.
Also, I can't close/cancel a trade. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: giszmo on June 09, 2012, 04:16:49 PM I didnt want everyone having my facebook details either so I deleted the bitcoinary app untill I can choose to only share it with the people I am trading with :) I think I remember I granted access, but at https://www.facebook.com/bookmarks/apps it is not listed!? Do I have to block it? What's its name? In your "account settings" there should be a link to "applications" and you can see which ones have access. Deep link should work also: http://www.facebook.com/settings?tab=applications (although it seams bitcoinary nuked itself so I can't check if it works to remove the pic.) Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dooglus on June 09, 2012, 05:22:53 PM I tried signing up but didn't get very far. Observations so far:
* "Send Money To Another Country ?" has a space before the question mark which bugs me. * https://www.bitcoinary.com/en/users/sign_up selects the 2nd input field by default, "email". Why not start at the top? * After filling in the signup form and submitting it, all I got was "We're sorry, but something went wrong." Would be nice if you told me what kind of a something. Was my 32 character password too long for you? I tried again with 'fred' and it gave me a properly formatted error page, with "is too short (minimum is 6 characters)". I tried using shorter and shorter passwords, but even a 6 character password still gives me the same "something went wrong" screen. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: gilgil on June 09, 2012, 05:48:04 PM Great site with great potential!
I would love to: 1. Be able to edit / remove a trade that I have opened 2. Search for a buy / sell trade with a filter (minimum reputation of counter-party, payment currency, etc.) and get an order book (similar to Mt.Gox's) based on open orders that qualify. I'm sure that people will be willing to donate for you to be able to polish up the site full-time, and be refunded (or not) by fee discount later when things get going. Keep up the good work! Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: giszmo on June 09, 2012, 05:54:12 PM I would love to: 1. Be able to edit / remove a trade that I have opened Editing! is most important in most things that I can enter in this shitty site. Sorry to call it shitty. I see potential but you failed to advertise it as "hey i need alpha testers". Don't go public without warning your users like that. I copied the Note of another user and forgot to delete his mail and phone number from it. Now I'm stuck not being able to fix that, delete this trade, delete my account!?!? WTF? Even trading with him to make the trade disappear does not work for a bug. edit: it's trade 47. please remove the contact stuff or the whole #47. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: tbcoin on June 09, 2012, 06:08:57 PM The website looks terrific, and the concept is excellent as well, but it won't let me register. Says "Something went wrong" after hitting Create an Account. Same here Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: MadSweeney on June 10, 2012, 03:25:55 AM This is a good idea. I hope the signup page gets fixed soon.
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 11, 2012, 08:13:37 AM The website looks terrific, and the concept is excellent as well, but it won't let me register. Says "Something went wrong" after hitting Create an Account. Same here Hi the signup issue was fixed. I use sendgrid for sending emails and I quickly used up my allowance. I've got a list of about 20 enhancements to work through over the next couple of days starting with the cancel trade functionality. Thanks for all the feedback so far, It's been great. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: sethsethseth on June 11, 2012, 07:09:41 PM Add order book filters and location based orders ASAP.
Where is google+ linking at? Also, consider hitting up the IDverge.com (http://IDverge.com) team, as they are almost ready to launch. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 12, 2012, 12:47:23 PM The cancel functionality is now added.
Also you can now choose not to have your facebook name and picture public. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: HostFat on June 12, 2012, 12:51:33 PM The cancel functionality is now added. I just did it:"We're sorry, but something went wrong." Anyway, the trade is deleted. Also you can now choose not to have your facebook name and picture public. I also unchecked it and pressed the "update intro" button, but after a refresh it is still checked.Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 12, 2012, 12:58:38 PM The cancel functionality is now added. I just did it:"We're sorry, but something went wrong." Anyway, the trade is deleted. Also you can now choose not to have your facebook name and picture public. I also unchecked it and pressed the "update intro" button, but after a refresh it is still checked.Looking at this now. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: TTBit on June 12, 2012, 03:32:06 PM Suggestion:
Have MTGox price settlements every 4 hours on your site so prices can be agreed upon in advance. Buyer: I will buy at the 2012-06-12 MTGox price at 20:00 GMT provided it is less than $5.70 Seller: I will sell at the 2012-06-12 MTGox price at 20:00 GMT provided it is higher than $5.50 at 20:00 GMT, it is posted to settle at 5.57, the trade now has an official price. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: byronbb on June 12, 2012, 05:33:25 PM I think in a broader sense the internet really needs some sort of "web of trust" type badging where all your e-feedback is aggregated in one place that allows you to prove who you are and provides a metric of how trustable you are.
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 12, 2012, 06:42:43 PM Suggestion: Have MTGox price settlements every 4 hours on your site so prices can be agreed upon in advance. Buyer: I will buy at the 2012-06-12 MTGox price at 20:00 GMT provided it is less than $5.70 Seller: I will sell at the 2012-06-12 MTGox price at 20:00 GMT provided it is higher than $5.50 at 20:00 GMT, it is posted to settle at 5.57, the trade now has an official price. I was thinking of tagging messages with the MTGox price at the time of posting. But that sounds like a good idea to, I'll look into getting the prices. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 14, 2012, 08:26:13 PM The much requested search facility has now been added to the open trades page.
https://www.bitcoinary.com/en/trades/public Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: mdosi on June 15, 2012, 04:45:35 AM Attempted to log on the site and got the follow error message
Application Error An error occurred in the application and your page could not be served. Please try again in a few moments. If you are the application owner, check your logs for details. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: ThiagoCMC on June 15, 2012, 05:11:53 AM Isn't it integrated with Bitcoin-OTC ?!?! :o
No GPG?! :-P Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 17, 2012, 08:36:57 AM Isn't it integrated with Bitcoin-OTC ?!?! :o No GPG?! :-P I'm looking at adding a feature where people would be able to verify they own a profile i.e. here on bitcointalk or on bitcoin-otc. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: ThiagoCMC on June 18, 2012, 07:31:35 AM Isn't it integrated with Bitcoin-OTC ?!?! :o No GPG?! :-P I'm looking at adding a feature where people would be able to verify they own a profile i.e. here on bitcointalk or on bitcoin-otc. I think that the reputation system of Bitcoinary, can be the Bitcoin-OTC itself. Just my two bitcents... ^^ In fact, Bitcoinary can make Bitcoin-OTC user friendly for the first time ever! Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: rudrigorc2 on June 18, 2012, 10:22:49 AM How about a portuguese-BR version?
I can help! Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 18, 2012, 01:19:55 PM How about a portuguese-BR version? I can help! Well if you're serious, to get portuguese added I need the file below translated. It would then take me a day or so to add a menu to the front page to allow people to change the language. The left side is the key and the items on the right are the ones that appear in the application and therefore need translation. Code: # Sample localization file for English. Add more files in this directory for other locales. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: rudrigorc2 on June 18, 2012, 01:43:57 PM How about a portuguese-BR version? I can help! Well if you're serious, to get portuguese added I need the file below translated. It would then take me a day or so to add a menu to the front page to allow people to change the language. The left side is the key and the items on the right are the ones that appear in the application and therefore need translation. Code: # Sample localization file for English. Add more files in this directory for other locales. great, will do this fast. Is UTF-8 OK? Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 18, 2012, 04:31:15 PM great, will do this fast. Is UTF-8 OK? UTF-8 is perfect. Thanks. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: ThiagoCMC on June 18, 2012, 08:34:00 PM Hi!
I'm using Bitcoinary a lot!! Here is the Brazilian Traders: Bitcoinary Brasil Traders (https://www.bitcoinary.com/en/trades/public?utf8=%E2%9C%93&search%5Btrade_type%5D=&search%5Bfor%5D=BRL&commit=Search+Trades) Cheers! Thiago Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: giszmo on June 18, 2012, 08:36:01 PM Hi! I'm using Bitcoinary a lot!! Here is the Brazilian Traders: Bitcoinary Brasil Traders (https://www.bitcoinary.com/en/trades/public?utf8=%E2%9C%93&search%5Btrade_type%5D=&search%5Bfor%5D=BRL&commit=Search+Trades) Cheers! Thiago There is almost as many people trading in Chilean Pesos ;) Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: ThiagoCMC on June 18, 2012, 09:34:32 PM How about a portuguese-BR version? I can help! Well if you're serious, to get portuguese added I need the file below translated. It would then take me a day or so to add a menu to the front page to allow people to change the language. The left side is the key and the items on the right are the ones that appear in the application and therefore need translation. Code: # Sample localization file for English. Add more files in this directory for other locales. rudrigorc2, lets work together?! Can you review my texts?! Cheers! Thiago Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: ThiagoCMC on June 18, 2012, 09:40:09 PM Hi! I'm using Bitcoinary a lot!! Here is the Brazilian Traders: Bitcoinary Brasil Traders (https://www.bitcoinary.com/en/trades/public?utf8=%E2%9C%93&search%5Btrade_type%5D=&search%5Bfor%5D=BRL&commit=Search+Trades) Cheers! Thiago There is almost as many people trading in Chilean Pesos ;) AWESOME!! YAY!! Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: rudrigorc2 on June 18, 2012, 11:16:48 PM How about a portuguese-BR version? I can help! Well if you're serious, to get portuguese added I need the file below translated. It would then take me a day or so to add a menu to the front page to allow people to change the language. The left side is the key and the items on the right are the ones that appear in the application and therefore need translation. Code: # Sample localization file for English. Add more files in this directory for other locales. rudrigorc2, lets work together?! Can you review my texts?! Cheers! Thiago Just woke up doing that now =) Thanks for the heads up Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: ThiagoCMC on June 19, 2012, 04:33:16 AM Proposal:
New Button -> 1-Click Sell I would like to pre-set the following formula at My Profile within Bitcoinary: 1 Bitcoin in BRL = U$6.40 (MtGox Last Price) * 2.21 (1 USD in BRL) + 5% (My Service Fee) = 14.8512 BRL So, when I click at the button "1-Click Sell", Bitcoinary will ask only one thing: How many Bitcoins do you wanna sell? I type: 100.00 (Bitcoins) The following order will be created: Code: I'd like to sell a total quantity of 100.00 Bitcoins in exchange for More or less like my latest trade order: https://www.bitcoinary.com/en/trades/249 What to you guys think about it?! Cheers! Thiago Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: ThiagoCMC on June 19, 2012, 04:48:47 AM Also, I think that would be great to have another button: "Update Order"
When you click it, the order have its price updated automatically, based on your pre-set formula (like doing "cancel / create task" automatically). It's boring keep the price updated every hour/minute... :-/ Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: rudrigorc2 on June 19, 2012, 06:02:01 AM Translation done.
Code: # Sample localization file for English. Add more files in this directory for other locales. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 21, 2012, 07:14:00 AM Translation done. Code: # Sample localization file for English. Add more files in this directory for other locales. Thanks guys, I've added Portuguese, there's a selector top right on the home page. There are a few gaps where it still comes up english but most of it is there. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: HostFat on June 21, 2012, 07:23:28 AM Can you add "Paypal (EUR)" ? :)
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 21, 2012, 09:04:15 AM Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: TonTon on June 21, 2012, 03:52:59 PM Hey Ian,
I absolutely love your website, so here is a russian translation of it. Hope it will help :) Code: # Sample localization file for English. Add more files in this directory for other locales. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 21, 2012, 05:01:51 PM Hey Ian, I absolutely love your website, so here is a russian translation of it. Hope it will help :) Code: # Sample localization file for English. Add more files in this directory for other locales. That's so cool. It's installed, thanks. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: TonTon on June 21, 2012, 05:45:10 PM I am gonna test the localisation and make a few minor changes. Just a suggestion - in the language tab, spell the names of languages according to that language, e.g. Russian should be Pyccкий, or German should be Deutsch.
Also a question - is it possible to localize the text on the front page? Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: TonTon on June 21, 2012, 06:30:20 PM Updated. I will continue testing and developing the localisation, there are still a few things that probably need change.
Code: # Sample localization file for English. Add more files in this directory for other locales. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 21, 2012, 06:46:28 PM I am gonna test the localisation and make a few minor changes. Just a suggestion - in the language tab, spell the names of languages according to that language, e.g. Russian should be Pyccкий, or German should be Deutsch. Also a question - is it possible to localize the text on the front page? Yes, I'm creating the lookups now and will post an addendum. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 21, 2012, 07:12:47 PM You'll need to add the following lines (and translate them) to the file to get the text on the front page to change.
You don't have to do a literal translation of what I have, for instance you could rewrite the Paypal paragraph to be more appropriate for Russia. I really appreciate the effort you're putting into this. Code:
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 2weiX on June 21, 2012, 07:36:20 PM still need german translation?
pm me if so, could take care of it tomorrow. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: ThiagoCMC on June 22, 2012, 12:10:56 AM Can you add "Paypal (BRL)" ? ;D
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: adamstgBit on June 22, 2012, 12:47:13 AM still need german translation? pm me if so, could take care of it tomorrow. i suggest using The Google Translate Web Element very simple to use, see this thread for details https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78530.0 Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: ThiagoCMC on June 22, 2012, 12:49:16 AM When I click: "Trade with SOMEUSER." button, I saw:
Code: The page you were looking for doesn't exist. How to complete the trade now!? Thanks! Thiago Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: adamstgBit on June 22, 2012, 01:27:00 AM When I click: "Trade with SOMEUSER." button, I saw: Code: The page you were looking for doesn't exist. How to complete the trade now!? Thanks! Thiago i saw that too the other day, i was somehow about to get around it... not sure what i did... Also it would be nice if i could send a Personal msg to someone Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: John (John K.) on June 22, 2012, 02:30:28 AM In the process of translating this to Simplified Chinese. By golly, this is sure a long job! :D
Anyone wanna help too? Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 22, 2012, 02:38:06 AM When I click: "Trade with SOMEUSER." button, I saw: Code: The page you were looking for doesn't exist. How to complete the trade now!? Thanks! Thiago I can't reproduce this issue in my test env. Do you get the error before the dialog pops up or after you press "I agree". Is the trade still in the open state ? Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 22, 2012, 02:39:29 AM In the process of translating this to Simplified Chinese. By golly, this is sure a long job! :D Anyone wanna help too? Wow, this is great thanks. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 2weiX on June 22, 2012, 05:49:10 AM trying to send an answer to a message.
page appears, "sorry, but something went wrong." not really helpful. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: istar on June 22, 2012, 08:21:23 AM I have not used the service but a possible weakness?
Since you have x amount of days to make a chargeback with paypal. You might have time to build up a good trader rating and than later create chargebacks? Perhaps a rating should have a built in waiting period or be of some kind of temporary until there is no possibility for chargeback? Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: John (John K.) on June 22, 2012, 04:02:48 PM Bitcoinary.com is not visitable from China mainland, you should firstly solve this problem. Is it being blocked by the Chinese firewall? :o Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 22, 2012, 09:57:41 PM I'd like to thank the staff at the Royal London Hospital for temporarily hosting Bitcoinary,com head quarters.
https://i.imgur.com/GBIYm.jpg Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: John (John K.) on June 23, 2012, 04:00:44 AM I'd like to thank the staff at the Royal London Hospital for temporarily hosting Bitcoinary,com head quarters. Did you get into an accident? :ohttps://i.imgur.com/GBIYm.jpg Anyway, get well soon! Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on June 23, 2012, 05:19:43 AM I'd like to thank the staff at the Royal London Hospital for temporarily hosting Bitcoinary,com head quarters. Did you get into an accident? :oAnyway, get well soon! Thanks, yes I've got a broken leg from a fall. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: augustocroppo on July 02, 2012, 06:53:22 PM How to place a bid? I open the trades but there is not any button to place a bid...
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: sethsethseth on July 03, 2012, 04:50:28 PM Please add Ukash (GBP)
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on July 03, 2012, 08:13:33 PM How to place a bid? I open the trades but there is not any button to place a bid... You don't place bids you message the trader instead, you can agree terms over the private messaging system. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: Mike Hearn on July 05, 2012, 03:20:47 PM Maybe this was covered elsewhere, but do you plan to add geo-targeting like maps?
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on July 05, 2012, 04:14:23 PM Maybe this was covered elsewhere, but do you plan to add geo-targeting like maps? That's my next task. I'm still thinking about how best to do it or what service to use. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: rudrigorc2 on July 07, 2012, 08:37:28 AM Hello mate, hope you get better soon.
You'll need to add the following lines (and translate them) to the file to get the text on the front page to change. You don't have to do a literal translation of what I have, for instance you could rewrite the Paypal paragraph to be more appropriate for Russia. I really appreciate the effort you're putting into this. Code:
Here I bring new front page and revised translations after some use. Please update. Ah, one more thing, in the main language selector we can see "Portugese" remeber to change it to Portuguese, and maybe insert a nice flag like this. https://www.bitinstant.com/static/images/flags/br.png Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on July 10, 2012, 12:47:22 PM Hello mate, hope you get better soon. You'll need to add the following lines (and translate them) to the file to get the text on the front page to change. You don't have to do a literal translation of what I have, for instance you could rewrite the Paypal paragraph to be more appropriate for Russia. I really appreciate the effort you're putting into this. Code:
Here I bring new front page and revised translations after some use. Please update. Ah, one more thing, in the main language selector we can see "Portugese" remeber to change it to Portuguese, and maybe insert a nice flag like this. https://www.bitinstant.com/static/images/flags/br.png Added, thanks. Looks good. https://i.imgur.com/iiOCW.png Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: John (John K.) on July 17, 2012, 12:29:03 PM In the process of translating this to Simplified Chinese. By golly, this is sure a long job! :D Anyone wanna help too? Wow, this is great thanks. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on July 17, 2012, 12:51:48 PM In the process of translating this to Simplified Chinese. By golly, this is sure a long job! :D Anyone wanna help too? Wow, this is great thanks. Thanks John, do you want me to test what you have so far ? Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: John (John K.) on July 17, 2012, 12:55:21 PM In the process of translating this to Simplified Chinese. By golly, this is sure a long job! :D Anyone wanna help too? Wow, this is great thanks. Thanks John, do you want me to test what you have so far ? One question: Which kind of quotation marks should I use? I see from the previous examples that a mix of (') and (") is accepted, am I right? I'm sticking to the latter in my translations, though. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on July 18, 2012, 02:28:12 AM In the process of translating this to Simplified Chinese. By golly, this is sure a long job! :D Anyone wanna help too? Wow, this is great thanks. Thanks John, do you want me to test what you have so far ? One question: Which kind of quotation marks should I use? I see from the previous examples that a mix of (') and (") is accepted, am I right? I'm sticking to the latter in my translations, though. Either is fine. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: VEscudero on July 23, 2012, 10:54:42 PM Should be able to add your gpg keys :) + 1Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: bravetheheat on July 24, 2012, 08:16:21 AM Bitcoinary.com is not visitable from China mainland, you should firstly solve this problem. Is it being blocked by the Chinese firewall? :o Nope - I'm in Beijing and with China Telecom (the ISP does sometimes make a difference) and I can access Bitcoinary perfectly. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: rudrigorc2 on July 24, 2012, 11:24:27 AM Bitcoinary.com is not visitable from China mainland, you should firstly solve this problem. Is it being blocked by the Chinese firewall? :o Nope - I'm in Beijing and with China Telecom (the ISP does sometimes make a difference) and I can access Bitcoinary perfectly. From my end here I cant, its greatwall broadband Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: sethsethseth on July 24, 2012, 10:01:03 PM Please add Ukash (GBP) Are we going to see Ukash added at some point? Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on July 25, 2012, 11:33:40 AM Please add Ukash (GBP) Are we going to see Ukash added at some point? You can trade anything you like, the currency field is free format. However I can add it to the popup for you. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: giszmo on July 25, 2012, 03:13:59 PM :( sendgrid.com? Really? What do you need them for? To monitor if the messages reached me? I get a scam alert for presenting me a <a href=A>B</a> kind of link.
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 420 on August 07, 2012, 01:13:40 PM Would selling to new users for 1BTC as gift payment be dangerous?
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on August 07, 2012, 03:41:48 PM Would selling to new users for 1BTC as gift payment be dangerous? Dangerous in what way ? Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 03:48:16 PM :( sendgrid.com? Really? What do you need them for? To monitor if the messages reached me? I get a scam alert for presenting me a <a href=A>B</a> kind of link. sendgrid.com is a developer friendly, trusted, third party, transactional email service provider. They've send over 50 Billion email for some major web providers. With their library and about 4 lines of code your web application is set up to send emails and they handle all the spam filtering, deliverability issues, isp, and ip monitoring, and bounce processing. Check them out. http://sendgrid.com/. That href is probably the default unsubscribe link. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: giszmo on August 07, 2012, 04:25:37 PM :( sendgrid.com? Really? What do you need them for? To monitor if the messages reached me? I get a scam alert for presenting me a <a href=A>B</a> kind of link. sendgrid.com is a developer friendly, trusted, third party, transactional email service provider. They've send over 50 Billion email for some major web providers. With their library and about 4 lines of code your web application is set up to send emails and they handle all the spam filtering, deliverability issues, isp, and ip monitoring, and bounce processing. Check them out. http://sendgrid.com/. That href is probably the default unsubscribe link. Quote Some Name Has sent you a message regarding trade http://bitcoinary.com/trades/43 (http://u283207.sendgrid.org/wf/click?upn=removedSomeLongLongLongSomethingThatWasMoreAnEncryptedMessageThanSomeIdAsItWasMuchLongerThanThisFakeThingyImTypingRightNow) This was all there was in the email. Sorry but by common sense this is scam. It shows me bitcoinary.com but hrefs u283207.sendgrid.org. This alone triggers my mail client's scam detection and yes, I think it should. The typo (Has instead of has) triggers the human scam detection as by convention, scam always contains typos while legit mail doesn't. The mail is brief and has no legit link that would help me find out if it's scam or not. I would at least add some real bitcoinary links in it and explain the user what's going on. Bitcoin is too scam heavy to tell me I'm paranoid. Bitcoin users have to be that paranoid. Get this straight or you will lose many users. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: BCB on August 07, 2012, 04:31:17 PM u283207.sendgrid.org is the uniquie bitcoinary USERID for tracking bounces etc. However as you mention that is a problem. Maybe bitcoinary should mention this.
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 420 on August 08, 2012, 07:21:26 AM Would selling to new users for 1BTC as gift payment be dangerous? Dangerous in what way ? heard even gift's can be charged back Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on August 08, 2012, 09:39:19 AM Would selling to new users for 1BTC as gift payment be dangerous? Dangerous in what way ? heard even gift's can be charged back Yes, any paypal can be charged back so you'll need to look at the reputation of the person you are dealing with before you decide to trade. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on August 08, 2012, 09:45:10 AM :( sendgrid.com? Really? What do you need them for? To monitor if the messages reached me? I get a scam alert for presenting me a <a href=A>B</a> kind of link. sendgrid.com is a developer friendly, trusted, third party, transactional email service provider. They've send over 50 Billion email for some major web providers. With their library and about 4 lines of code your web application is set up to send emails and they handle all the spam filtering, deliverability issues, isp, and ip monitoring, and bounce processing. Check them out. http://sendgrid.com/. That href is probably the default unsubscribe link. Quote Some Name Has sent you a message regarding trade http://bitcoinary.com/trades/43 (http://u283207.sendgrid.org/wf/click?upn=removedSomeLongLongLongSomethingThatWasMoreAnEncryptedMessageThanSomeIdAsItWasMuchLongerThanThisFakeThingyImTypingRightNow) This was all there was in the email. Sorry but by common sense this is scam. It shows me bitcoinary.com but hrefs u283207.sendgrid.org. This alone triggers my mail client's scam detection and yes, I think it should. The typo (Has instead of has) triggers the human scam detection as by convention, scam always contains typos while legit mail doesn't. The mail is brief and has no legit link that would help me find out if it's scam or not. I would at least add some real bitcoinary links in it and explain the user what's going on. Bitcoin is too scam heavy to tell me I'm paranoid. Bitcoin users have to be that paranoid. Get this straight or you will lose many users. I use Sendgrid to send emails, and sendgrid adds a href so that it can give me a report on opens and bounces. Not sure why you would think a peer to peer exchange that doesn't hold any bitcoins itself could be a scam. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: BCB on August 08, 2012, 02:00:51 PM I think the point is that anytime an email has an href that is not from the domain or sub.domain of the identified sender there is a very real concern of phishing. And even if bitcoinary is not holding bitcoin in your account, your emails could be spoofed to cause a user who recognized your brand to download malicious software which would then be used as a point of attach on that users other bitcoin connections that do store coin.
It is a valid security concern. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: giszmo on August 08, 2012, 05:08:12 PM I use Sendgrid to send emails, and sendgrid adds a href so that it can give me a report on opens and bounces. Not sure why you would think a peer to peer exchange that doesn't hold any bitcoins itself could be a scam. If I do business with A and get mail with the sender and reply address A with links naming *and* linking to A it looks clean to both my computer and me. In mails, the sender can easily be spoofed and therefore mails are all about their content. If I get mail with links naming A but actually linking B, this looks fishy to me an thunderbird scam detection. I did never accuse you to be a scammer and sincerely hope your service will grow but to get there I suggest you don't use such lousy third party services. I suggested that so that others can build trust. I analyzed the situation and understand before posting here that it is no threat to me but I ask you to take that burden off your users to have to analyze that. (in germany banks teach their users not to enter PINs to any external sites but then started cooperating with external sites that legitimately did exactly that. this is wrong and stupid and the average joe eats it as there is some approved.png on this third party website. teaching your users to click on links to some arbitrary untrusted third party in the realm of bitcoin has the same potential to do harm to your users.) Generally if you get feedback I assume it is a good strategy to try to interpret it as no offense towards you as you need feedback and your reaction "Not sure why you would think a peer to peer exchange that doesn't hold any bitcoins itself could be a scam." is not motivating me to give you any feedback as with such wrong statements about my thoughts mails tend to become very long and time consuming for such little things as "better don't use <href a>b</href>. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on August 08, 2012, 07:50:20 PM Generally if you get feedback I assume it is a good strategy to try to interpret it as no offense towards you as you need feedback and your reaction "Not sure why you would think a peer to peer exchange that doesn't hold any bitcoins itself could be a scam." is not motivating me to give you any feedback as with such wrong statements about my thoughts mails tend to become very long and time consuming for such little things as "better don't use <href a>b</href>. Yes, you're right. I'm sorry. I should have been more professional, I do appreciate your feedback. I'll investigate how I can best resolve this issue. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 420 on August 10, 2012, 04:49:50 AM Another thing for a good improvement on Bitcoinary,
Can it be set so a user's profile displays their open trades? [Also, why isn't this thread in the Marketplace forum under currency exchanges?] Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: giszmo on August 10, 2012, 05:27:50 AM [Also, why isn't this thread in the Marketplace forum under currency exchanges?] You can ask for moderation and most likely it will be moved. I agree it is here for long enough now so everybody who is only watching "Bitcoin Discussion" found it. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 420 on August 12, 2012, 03:56:24 AM ONE MORE FEATURE THAT IS SURELY NEEDED:
Add the ability for a follow up to a review on a transaction if someone does paypal purchase of BTC and later asks a chargeback, the seller will want to update that review to say scammer and such Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 2weiX on August 13, 2012, 06:53:19 PM so far, only attempts to scam.
too bad, 'twas a promising concept. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 420 on August 13, 2012, 07:01:14 PM so far, only attempts to scam. too bad, 'twas a promising concept. we should be able to link the account to bitcointalk.org account and at least show our post count anyone can join bitcoinary.com with just an email address Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 2weiX on August 13, 2012, 07:06:20 PM so far, only attempts to scam. too bad, 'twas a promising concept. we should be able to link the account to bitcointalk.org account and at least show our post count anyone can join bitcoinary.com with just an email address Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: giszmo on August 14, 2012, 06:39:46 AM so far, only attempts to scam. too bad, 'twas a promising concept. *snif* … I'm no scammer :( No, seriously, what's your point? What's your suggestion? I thought I wouldn't do trades because I'm the only Bitcoiner in Chile but maybe there is something flawed about the site? Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 2weiX on August 14, 2012, 07:33:31 AM so far, only attempts to scam. too bad, 'twas a promising concept. *snif* … I'm no scammer :( No, seriously, what's your point? What's your suggestion? I thought I wouldn't do trades because I'm the only Bitcoiner in Chile but maybe there is something flawed about the site? well it's too easy to fake ratings. some user yesterday: - was active for 2 hours - had one positice rating - from a user that was active for 2 hours and told me that i should send first (600BTC, no less!) because he "had feedback" and I didnt. i dunno maybe have yout bitcoin-otc rating up there? Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 420 on August 14, 2012, 07:46:25 AM so far, only attempts to scam. too bad, 'twas a promising concept. *snif* … I'm no scammer :( No, seriously, what's your point? What's your suggestion? I thought I wouldn't do trades because I'm the only Bitcoiner in Chile but maybe there is something flawed about the site? well it's too easy to fake ratings. some user yesterday: - was active for 2 hours - had one positice rating - from a user that was active for 2 hours and told me that i should send first (600BTC, no less!) because he "had feedback" and I didnt. i dunno maybe have yout bitcoin-otc rating up there? I'd probably only trust that many BTC in person, in increments not the whole thing at once Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 2weiX on August 14, 2012, 07:59:56 AM so far, only attempts to scam. too bad, 'twas a promising concept. *snif* … I'm no scammer :( No, seriously, what's your point? What's your suggestion? I thought I wouldn't do trades because I'm the only Bitcoiner in Chile but maybe there is something flawed about the site? well it's too easy to fake ratings. some user yesterday: - was active for 2 hours - had one positice rating - from a user that was active for 2 hours and told me that i should send first (600BTC, no less!) because he "had feedback" and I didnt. i dunno maybe have yout bitcoin-otc rating up there? I'd probably only trust that many BTC in person, in increments not the whole thing at once I've done deals over 15000€ in one fell swoop and they all succeeded because... ...dumroll... I NEVER SEND FIRST Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 420 on August 14, 2012, 08:12:02 AM so far, only attempts to scam. too bad, 'twas a promising concept. *snif* … I'm no scammer :( No, seriously, what's your point? What's your suggestion? I thought I wouldn't do trades because I'm the only Bitcoiner in Chile but maybe there is something flawed about the site? well it's too easy to fake ratings. some user yesterday: - was active for 2 hours - had one positice rating - from a user that was active for 2 hours and told me that i should send first (600BTC, no less!) because he "had feedback" and I didnt. i dunno maybe have yout bitcoin-otc rating up there? I'd probably only trust that many BTC in person, in increments not the whole thing at once I've done deals over 15000€ in one fell swoop and they all succeeded because... ...dumroll... I NEVER SEND FIRST BINGO. now let me send you some for 100BTC but i'll say in paypal its for a gaming PC since they dont like bitcoin then you send btc? i have 13 feedbacks can i haz btc then? Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 2weiX on August 14, 2012, 08:18:52 AM i dont see what you're getting at.
you dont wanna deal with me, fine. I also dont do PayPal. You can always SEPA or mail me cash and you will absolutely have the BTC no later than 6 transactions after I have the money in hand/on account. this whole ratings-feedback-thing has complicated and overtechnicalized dealings a whole lot. where once i was able to do deals just on the basis of my postcount, my tax number visible on my website etc etc, and the impression that i'm a decent guy, now i require feedback on some random greymarket site or need to sign a pgp contract to buy 200 bitcoins and still send first via moneygram because i only registered with bitcoin-otc last week etc etc yadayada... 90% of my time is haggling with potential customers, half of which are scammers, the other half have some liking to this or that rating system/site which adds a whole magnitude of complication to the whole thing. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 420 on August 14, 2012, 08:20:55 AM i dont see what you're getting at. you dont wanna deal with me, fine. I also dont do PayPal. You can always SEPA or mail me cash and you will absolutely have the BTC no later than 6 transactions after I have the money in hand/on account. this whole ratings-feedback-thing has complicated and overtechnicalized dealings a whole lot. where once i was able to do deals just on the basis of my postcount, my tax number visible on my website etc etc, and the impression that i'm a decent guy, now i require feedback on some random greymarket site or need to sign a pgp contract to buy 200 bitcoins and still send first via moneygram because i only registered with bitcoin-otc last week etc etc yadayada... 90% of my time is haggling with potential customers, half of which are scammers, the other half have some liking to this or that rating system/site which adds a whole magnitude of complication to the whole thing. I see your points I agree. No matter what someone can still fuck you. I was just making a bad joke above, my apologies I'm trying to think up an easy way for people to feel very secure in doing these trades. Maybe Escrow is underutilized Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: Sultan on August 14, 2012, 10:46:20 AM so far, only attempts to scam. too bad, 'twas a promising concept. we should be able to link the account to bitcointalk.org account and at least show our post count anyone can join bitcoinary.com with just an email address I would like to second this concern as the guy believes that 1 feedback by somebody who has been registered for exactly as long as him justifies sending him 100 BTC first before he sends the money (he didn't even ask for my banking details) Would advise people to be careful (not saying he's a scammer) just be careful and manage risk. Also, I agree with other people saying that we should have the option to link our bitcointalk.org accounts to bitcoinary. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: BCB on August 14, 2012, 12:21:50 PM Also be careful of NIC scamming. Here on BCT I know some users have traded with highly rated OTC users only to be scammed and find out that the scammer never proved they owned the OTC nic.
Love what bitcoinary is trying to do but they need to do a better job of vetting users if they want to encourage legitimate traders. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: giszmo on August 14, 2012, 04:37:26 PM so far, only attempts to scam. too bad, 'twas a promising concept. *snif* … I'm no scammer :( No, seriously, what's your point? What's your suggestion? I thought I wouldn't do trades because I'm the only Bitcoiner in Chile but maybe there is something flawed about the site? well it's too easy to fake ratings. some user yesterday: - was active for 2 hours - had one positice rating - from a user that was active for 2 hours and told me that i should send first (600BTC, no less!) because he "had feedback" and I didnt. i dunno maybe have yout bitcoin-otc rating up there? It's just as easy to fake ratings at bitcoin-otc. It's just more convenient to use bitcoinary than otc in the first place. I for example gave up on otc when I wanted to use it last year as other services were more convenient. I did in-person trades so far only. Well, once I was friends with my trading partners, this changed but the first trade I would rather travel an hour to meet that guy than to send bitcoins in good faith. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 420 on August 15, 2012, 04:04:35 AM so far, only attempts to scam. too bad, 'twas a promising concept. *snif* … I'm no scammer :( No, seriously, what's your point? What's your suggestion? I thought I wouldn't do trades because I'm the only Bitcoiner in Chile but maybe there is something flawed about the site? well it's too easy to fake ratings. some user yesterday: - was active for 2 hours - had one positice rating - from a user that was active for 2 hours and told me that i should send first (600BTC, no less!) because he "had feedback" and I didnt. i dunno maybe have yout bitcoin-otc rating up there? It's just as easy to fake ratings at bitcoin-otc. It's just more convenient to use bitcoinary than otc in the first place. I for example gave up on otc when I wanted to use it last year as other services were more convenient. I did in-person trades so far only. Well, once I was friends with my trading partners, this changed but the first trade I would rather travel an hour to meet that guy than to send bitcoins in good faith. where did you trade him at? Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: giszmo on August 15, 2012, 04:37:20 AM where did you trade him at? ?? Unfortunately I did not find any trade partner via this site yet. I sent it to my Chilean trade partners though.Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 420 on August 15, 2012, 04:43:06 AM where did you trade him at? ?? Unfortunately I did not find any trade partner via this site yet. I sent it to my Chilean trade partners though.I meant your in person trade Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: giszmo on August 15, 2012, 09:13:47 AM where did you trade him at? ?? Unfortunately I did not find any trade partner via this site yet. I sent it to my Chilean trade partners though.I meant your in person trade #2 in the street in Santiago Spinner to some Address and then blockchain.info on my phone to show him it has reached him. His internet failed on him. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: bit-joker on August 16, 2012, 01:41:02 AM Looks like a good idea.
What about charging 0.5% for each part as a fee? And the average % a person should charge is around 5%, not 10%-20%. You could try some kind of escrow. Wait for the receiving part to confirm he received the funds before the coins become accessible. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 420 on August 16, 2012, 02:57:59 AM Looks like a good idea. What about charging 0.5% for each part as a fee? And the average % a person should charge is around 5%, not 10%-20%. You could try some kind of escrow. Wait for the receiving part to confirm he received the funds before the coins become accessible. parts of what? Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: bit-joker on August 17, 2012, 10:04:35 PM parts of what? Both parts (buyer/seller) of the transaction to maintain server costs. Each part pays 0.5% to Bitcoinary. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: bak3donh1gh on August 20, 2012, 07:17:37 AM I would suggest a last time one site feature so its easier to tell if someone is scamming and ignoring us or simply not available.
Also Xeser is a scammer using email: compl3x@gmail.com Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: BCB on August 20, 2012, 01:43:32 PM Yea, lot of scammers on that site. I think 2 of three contacts I make are scammers.
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 420 on August 20, 2012, 10:31:31 PM Yea, lot of scammers on that site. I think 2 of three contacts I make are scammers. but then again you thought I was one Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: BCB on August 20, 2012, 10:33:59 PM I did but you are still posting under the same name. The other's disappeared
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 420 on August 20, 2012, 11:11:46 PM I did but you are still posting under the same name. The other's disappeared Ah. more security features could be added to forum. I understand this is the same software that the forum started with in 2009? BITCOINARY.com should also have trades expire after a week or so: https://www.bitcoinary.com/en/trades/65 Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: louisBSAS on September 07, 2012, 08:21:57 PM Nice site. I think you should add a "last seen" on users profile pages. Lets us see if the user has logs in regularly or not. This will give us an idea of when we might see a response to trading messages.
Long time inactive users could make for really lengthy trade commitments. :) Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: giszmo on September 07, 2012, 09:38:40 PM Nice site. I think you should add a "last seen" on users profile pages. Lets us see if the user has logs in regularly or not. This will give us an idea of when we might see a response to trading messages. Long time inactive users could make for really lengthy trade commitments. :) no last seen please :( it doesn't tell anything about responsiveness. I won't log in there as I know there is nobody from chile registered. I placed my buy and sell offers and hope somebody will contact me and bitcoinary will mail me about that. I like the feature at couchsurfers that tells you x% messages were replied. I don't like that searching for a couch for christmas results in getting replies around easter just because these users want to keep a clean reply statistics, so maybe post x% replied within 3 days or whatever seems a reasonable delay. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 420 on September 08, 2012, 10:57:04 PM Should be able to organize BUYS or SELLS by preferred service such as PAYPAL or DWOLLA, would be great
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: bitcoinminer on September 09, 2012, 12:48:54 AM I can't wait to see this get hacked and go down in flames and/or succeed!
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: BitCoiner2012 on September 09, 2012, 05:51:23 AM Gonna tinker with this.
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: Evolvex on September 10, 2012, 02:56:12 PM I signed up and am trying out my first trade - there does seem to be a lot of what could be scammers on there - feel a bit :s accepting paypal, but gotta build up the credit rating :).
Anyone here dealt with UrbanNinja? On another note, I think it would help to some how flag users as scammers, or poss scammers - people seem to be creating trades to let others know, but be good to see a scammer list in some way? also, what about a "down the line" rating, esp for those taking paypal, ie if it gets charged back in a couple of months I could log on to bitcoinary and let people know that trade xxx was charged back. All in all, an excellent step forward for quick and easy trades. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 420 on September 11, 2012, 03:13:42 AM NEW IDEA
Merge Bitcoinary.com with LocalBitcoins.com Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: Evolvex on September 11, 2012, 12:07:26 PM My first 2 trades on bitcoinary went ok, all be it I'm a little suspicious about there paypal accounts used. Is there anyway to be secure when accepting paypal - what if I sold them an ebook which included a free bitcoin?
I've just started on localbitcoins :) - there no one selling or buying in my area so hopefully I can help some users out and make a couple of quid whilst I'm there. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 420 on September 12, 2012, 05:01:49 AM My first 2 trades on bitcoinary went ok, all be it I'm a little suspicious about there paypal accounts used. Is there anyway to be secure when accepting paypal - what if I sold them an ebook which included a free bitcoin? I've just started on localbitcoins :) - there no one selling or buying in my area so hopefully I can help some users out and make a couple of quid whilst I'm there. if you're in cali I'll trade Lookup verify paypal account there's a way to use a person's name and email to see if their account is verified (linked to a bank account) Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: Evolvex on September 13, 2012, 03:43:49 PM Thanks for the info 420, I'm in the UK tho :)
I've been getting them to send messages from there FB AND registered paypal email address confirming the trade agreement - not ideal but does give me a little bit of trust.... I'll check out verifying accounts I didnt think you could do that :) Another thought for bitcoinary - I would like to be able to add additional notes to a review further down the line, if a paypal charge gets reversed I can then add this to my review warning other users in the future. And what about a confirmed scammers list? Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 420 on September 13, 2012, 08:51:28 PM Thanks for the info 420, I'm in the UK tho :) I've been getting them to send messages from there FB AND registered paypal email address confirming the trade agreement - not ideal but does give me a little bit of trust.... I'll check out verifying accounts I didnt think you could do that :) Another thought for bitcoinary - I would like to be able to add additional notes to a review further down the line, if a paypal charge gets reversed I can then add this to my review warning other users in the future. And what about a confirmed scammers list? I made the same recommendation Able to ADD to the feedback given because they can charegeback down the line Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 420 on October 01, 2012, 12:33:13 PM If we have a bad trade, can we seek the buyer from their social media links? As it is now just shows the info, doesn't give us a link to them and what happens for example, can they delete their profile, then 20 days later file paypal chargeback
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: Aahzman on October 14, 2012, 11:33:57 PM Hmmm what's a reasonable time to wait for BTC delivery before reversing the Paypal payment? I ordered 3BTC from a guy in australia that had a few good reviews...now I know there's a 15hr time diff between where he's at and where i'm at, but it took almost a day to get a response to my initial request, and it's now been about 36hrs since i sent the payment via paypal...
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: BCB on October 14, 2012, 11:35:33 PM Hmmm what's a reasonable time to wait for BTC delivery before reversing the Paypal payment? I ordered 3BTC from a guy in australia that had a few good reviews...now I know there's a 15hr time diff between where he's at and where i'm at, but it took almost a day to get a response to my initial request, and it's now been about 36hrs since i sent the payment via paypal... Ahhh, sorry Aahzman but Bitcoinary is a scammers paradise. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: Aahzman on October 14, 2012, 11:41:58 PM well, i'd done a bunch of trades with another guy with no issues, and this guy had all posi feedback. gonna give him till tomorrow morning my time (which will be late evening tomorrow his time) to transact or I'll call him out as a scammer.
FWIW, i've had 4 good trades with manny in Ecuador. he may take a couple hours to respond to your initial req, but once he's in contact, it's a fast, clean transaction. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: BCB on October 14, 2012, 11:54:49 PM Aahzman,
Glad to hear it. Hopefully sends. I've just seen a lot of people get scammed there. By scammers who have multiple user names (and good feed back). I don't even bother to check it our any more. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: Aahzman on October 14, 2012, 11:56:26 PM yeah, good or bad on this one, i don't think i'll be using bitcoinary any more.
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: BCB on October 15, 2012, 12:15:51 AM You can get a better idea of members rep here (though that does not mean they won't scam you [or go rouge]). Also a lot of guys swear by bitcoin-otc, but I've not used that a whole lot. It's a pain in the ass trying to remember all the commands (for me).
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: giszmo on October 15, 2012, 01:03:57 AM You can get a better idea of members rep here (though that does not mean they won't scam you [or go rouge]). Also a lot of guys swear by bitcoin-otc, but I've not used that a whole lot. It's a pain in the ass trying to remember all the commands (for me). Our beloved pirate@40 had a very good OTC rating. For what it's worth I only trust what I can see and build personal relationships to traders. If that can not fill my needs I go through Gox. I hope I can build a solid net of personal traders to be independent when Gox follows Tradehill. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: Aahzman on October 15, 2012, 01:30:38 AM yeah, i just lit this guy up on the scam accusation thread and on bitcoinary. i was foolish enough to send as personal-gift, so we'll see if paypal helps reverse it. Given what ab unch of c*nts paypal usually are, i doubt it.
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 420 on October 15, 2012, 01:32:40 AM yeah, i just lit this guy up on the scam accusation thread and on bitcoinary. i was foolish enough to send as personal-gift, so we'll see if paypal helps reverse it. Given what ab unch of c*nts paypal usually are, i doubt it. yeah do tell us how paypal responds ive done many transactions and have yet to be ripped off; mainly being the seller Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: BCB on October 15, 2012, 01:33:20 AM It's all reversible. Don't let PP bs you.
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: Aahzman on October 15, 2012, 02:39:42 AM yeah, paypal basically said "fuck you. we don't cover disputes over virtual shit."
another quality paypal interaction. bunch of ball-washing bastards. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 420 on October 15, 2012, 02:42:56 AM yeah, paypal basically said "fuck you. we don't cover disputes over virtual shit." another quality paypal interaction. bunch of ball-washing bastards. well why you should pretend at least your providing some service like website building Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: Aahzman on October 15, 2012, 10:48:18 AM yeah, paypal basically said "fuck you. we don't cover disputes over virtual shit." another quality paypal interaction. bunch of ball-washing bastards. well why you should pretend at least your providing some service like website building I suppose I should have... ah well. only a $33CAD lesson. Serves me right for trying to grab some BTC for $1.50 under market. Hopefully "ian" over at Bitcoinary takes some action and starts banning some of this asshole's accounts. I'll stick to Canadian Bitcoins going forward. A registered business, with a brick&mortar address, a verified bank account #. Done two buys from them, and they are very professional/fast. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 420 on October 15, 2012, 09:53:32 PM yeah, paypal basically said "fuck you. we don't cover disputes over virtual shit." another quality paypal interaction. bunch of ball-washing bastards. well why you should pretend at least your providing some service like website building I suppose I should have... ah well. only a $33CAD lesson. Serves me right for trying to grab some BTC for $1.50 under market. Hopefully "ian" over at Bitcoinary takes some action and starts banning some of this asshole's accounts. I'll stick to Canadian Bitcoins going forward. A registered business, with a brick&mortar address, a verified bank account #. Done two buys from them, and they are very professional/fast. yup well did that person verify their social media accounts? if so ian should be able to find them if you cant, you should be able to see their phone etc. once you entered the trade Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: gigica viteazu` on October 24, 2012, 06:28:35 PM the idea is good, too bad dogisland doesn`t keep an eye on the site to protect users and remove/ban the obvious scammer accounts
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 420 on October 26, 2012, 01:53:54 PM the idea is good, too bad dogisland doesn`t keep an eye on the site to protect users and remove/ban the obvious scammer accounts bitcoinary.com btcjam.com every bitman for himself Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: giszmo on October 26, 2012, 02:14:21 PM the idea is good, too bad dogisland doesn`t keep an eye on the site to protect users and remove/ban the obvious scammer accounts bitcoinary.com btcjam.com every bitman for himself hey, thanx for the link! looks like something serious although I wonder if Brasil will be a good place to base Ƀ-business in. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: IlNovizio on October 30, 2012, 07:56:58 AM What's going on with this site?It's impossible to either create new trades or send messages!! ??? ???
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: Aahz on November 16, 2012, 05:07:10 AM Signed up with and attempted my first trade about 5 hours ago. The seller never sent the coins. So how do I go about reporting him or at least cancelling the transaction? I see an option for marking the trade completed, but not for marking it incomplete or leaving the appropriate negative feedback.
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 420 on November 16, 2012, 05:11:23 AM Signed up with and attempted my first trade about 5 hours ago. The seller never sent the coins. So how do I go about reporting him or at least cancelling the transaction? I see an option for marking the trade completed, but not for marking it incomplete or leaving the appropriate negative feedback. after marking incomplete probably you can leave feedback on a rating of 1-5, 1 being very badTitle: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: Aahz on November 16, 2012, 05:16:59 AM But how do I mark it INcomplete? I only see a button to mark it complete. ???
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: rudrigorc2 on November 16, 2012, 10:16:31 AM Summary - dogisland
Name: dogisland Posts: 198 Position: Full Member Date Registered: July 27, 2011, 12:38:16 PM Last Active: October 21, 2012, 01:03:40 PM Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: Surf Capital Management on December 04, 2012, 05:18:07 PM I've been getting killed on cc chargebacks (Usernames: "Slalom" and "anon89"). It seems like all legitimate trading has dried up on Bitcoinary until there is some way to ensure vendors won't be screwed over by people perpetrating these scams.
My question is: What chance do I have of getting this money back after the chargebacks by settling with PayPal? I hold tangible evidence of the transactions occurring,(i.e. screenshots of the trade conversation and posted verification by the buyer that they have received BTC.) Am I wrong to assume that Paypal usually favors the sellers more than buyers? Or are they more concerned with keeping their relationships with Credit Card issuers in check? Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: QuantumKiwi on December 10, 2012, 10:11:18 PM Cannot send messages to people at the moment, very hard to get a deal going when there is a big red error which comes up saying " We're sorry, but something went wrong. "
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: jago25_98 on January 05, 2013, 10:59:20 PM This is a shame. I expected to hear of some scams but not as many as this.
Mirrored to .onion or other hidden service it could be a very useful thing to have to maintain trading should restrictions bite and easier than #OTC Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: VEscudero on January 24, 2013, 06:27:07 PM Hello,
it seems Bitcoinary has put a new escrow service for the buyers with an additional 0.25% fee. I have send 11 bitcoins to the address they asked me for trading with a buyer, but although I have just released the funds the customer didn't got his coins. Bitcoinary does not seem to be asking buyers for an address to receive the coins and I don't see any integrated wallet as well. Could you please clarify where the coins go when we send them to the escrow address? EDIT: Screenshot of an escrow address as requested by bitconary.com - https://i.imgur.com/KE0pAOC.png Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on January 25, 2013, 09:00:24 AM Hi,
I will be updating the site with better documentation. In this case I think the user hit retrieve funds and didn't enter a public address. We are fixing this issue now. To clarify. Each trade now has an escrow address created. When funds are received at the address the seller of BTC can choose to release the funds once they have a payment from the buyer. When the seller releases funds we give the buyer the option to enter a public address to receive the coins. When they do this the coins are sent. We don't hold a balance for users, we hold the coins for the minimum time possible. Hope this answers your questions. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: VEscudero on January 25, 2013, 07:03:01 PM Hi, I will be updating the site with better documentation. In this case I think the user hit retrieve funds and didn't enter a public address. We are fixing this issue now. To clarify. Each trade now has an escrow address created. When funds are received at the address the seller of BTC can choose to release the funds once they have a payment from the buyer. When the seller releases funds we give the buyer the option to enter a public address to receive the coins. When they do this the coins are sent. We don't hold a balance for users, we hold the coins for the minimum time possible. Hope this answers your questions. Thank you dogisland, I welcome this long wated feature of escrow. However I think it should be possible to trade without the need to trust a intermediary platform as bitcoinary. There are sometimes in which the seller and the buyer don't need that escrow system but even then, the buyer needs to pay an additional fee for it and trust the bitcoins to you. In my opinion that feature should be an option, not a requirement. Will you allow buyers and sellers to choose by themselves? Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on January 26, 2013, 02:17:49 PM Hi, I will be updating the site with better documentation. In this case I think the user hit retrieve funds and didn't enter a public address. We are fixing this issue now. To clarify. Each trade now has an escrow address created. When funds are received at the address the seller of BTC can choose to release the funds once they have a payment from the buyer. When the seller releases funds we give the buyer the option to enter a public address to receive the coins. When they do this the coins are sent. We don't hold a balance for users, we hold the coins for the minimum time possible. Hope this answers your questions. Thank you dogisland, I welcome this long wated feature of escrow. However I think it should be possible to trade without the need to trust a intermediary platform as bitcoinary. There are sometimes in which the seller and the buyer don't need that escrow system but even then, the buyer needs to pay an additional fee for it and trust the bitcoins to you. In my opinion that feature should be an option, not a requirement. Will you allow buyers and sellers to choose by themselves? I'm going to make escrow the default workflow as it is now, however I can give the buyer the option to opt out. i.e. when they are at the stage where they are waiting for escrow I could add an "Opt out of escrow" button. Then the workflow would revert to the previous system (and would be commission free). Thanks Ian. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dandirk on January 27, 2013, 08:12:38 PM Hi, I will be updating the site with better documentation. In this case I think the user hit retrieve funds and didn't enter a public address. We are fixing this issue now. To clarify. Each trade now has an escrow address created. When funds are received at the address the seller of BTC can choose to release the funds once they have a payment from the buyer. When the seller releases funds we give the buyer the option to enter a public address to receive the coins. When they do this the coins are sent. We don't hold a balance for users, we hold the coins for the minimum time possible. Hope this answers your questions. Does the buyer have indication that BTC are in escrow so they can safely send funds? If funds are sent and BTC are not released from escrow... what happens? Can the seller just pull them out of escrow? Are they held there until remediation or buyer proves they send funds? Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on January 28, 2013, 07:05:21 AM Hi, I will be updating the site with better documentation. In this case I think the user hit retrieve funds and didn't enter a public address. We are fixing this issue now. To clarify. Each trade now has an escrow address created. When funds are received at the address the seller of BTC can choose to release the funds once they have a payment from the buyer. When the seller releases funds we give the buyer the option to enter a public address to receive the coins. When they do this the coins are sent. We don't hold a balance for users, we hold the coins for the minimum time possible. Hope this answers your questions. Does the buyer have indication that BTC are in escrow so they can safely send funds? If funds are sent and BTC are not released from escrow... what happens? Can the seller just pull them out of escrow? Are they held there until remediation or buyer proves they send funds? 1. Yes the buyer can see that the funds are in escrow. 2. If the buyer sends funds and the seller does not release the escrow, then the user would need to raise a support request and show proof, we would also contact the seller. We would mediate. 3. The seller can not pull the funds from escrow. They can only release the funds. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: 2weiX on January 28, 2013, 01:46:58 PM using this via tor.
location is somewhere in fuckwayoutthecountry, wrong continent, too. is there a way i can set my location manually? Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dogisland on January 28, 2013, 01:49:35 PM using this via tor. location is somewhere in fuckwayoutthecountry, wrong continent, too. is there a way i can set my location manually? Go to your profile, click edit profile, then enter a zip code. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: dandirk on January 28, 2013, 08:38:46 PM 1. Yes the buyer can see that the funds are in escrow. 2. If the buyer sends funds and the seller does not release the escrow, then the user would need to raise a support request and show proof, we would also contact the seller. We would mediate. 3. The seller can not pull the funds from escrow. They can only release the funds. Thanks, that is a HUGE offering that can remove most scammers (well at least if buying btc). Now that I know, I won't be too shy of buying some BTC! Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: VEscudero on January 29, 2013, 02:11:06 PM I'm going to make escrow the default workflow as it is now, however I can give the buyer the option to opt out. i.e. when they are at the stage where they are waiting for escrow I could add an "Opt out of escrow" button. Then the workflow would revert to the previous system (and would be commission free). Thank you dogisland, it will be even better just to let complete already finalized trades even if we don't use your bitcoinary escrow system. I suffered a small loss of about 100 btcs in bitmarket.eu just because I had to trust in their escrow system and later the admin decided he won't allow any user to withdraw the coins anymore. I don't feel comfortable having to trust a third party like an intermediary trading platform to escrow my bitcoins. Having an escrow system is a highly desirable feature I have been waiting since day one in Bitcoinary, but being forced to always use it, it's a red flag to me (I'm not even talking about the 2.5% fee, not the 0.25% fee). Thank you dogisland for all the improvements you have made, but Bitcoinary won't be my platform of choice for most of the trades I make with regular customers until we are not forced to trust our coins to any other third party. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: nexusakachus on February 12, 2013, 12:51:29 PM hi , ian purton please stop sending spam to localbitcoins or i will report
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: kangasbros on February 12, 2013, 02:06:11 PM Can't you invent some more fair method to compete than spamming at our service?
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: vellen on August 25, 2013, 08:39:36 PM In trades #4640 and #4651 i sold some bitcoins for total amount of €186.70 EUR. I released the escrow to the buyer, he rated me 5/5. But after about a week he started and WON an unathorised transaction dispute on paypal. Now I see it as negative balance in PayPal.
I have ASKED for help via the HELP & SUPPORT section OF BITCOINARY.COM, marked the case as URGENT, but received NO (0) ANSWER for MORE THAN A WEEK. * Members, PLEASE help me and advice me what to do. * Ian, do something (not only "save/eat" your escrow fee) Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: metal_jacke1 on September 07, 2013, 09:47:01 PM In trades #4640 and #4651 i sold some bitcoins for total amount of €186.70 EUR. I released the escrow to the buyer, he rated me 5/5. But after about a week he started and WON an unathorised transaction dispute on paypal. Now I see it as negative balance in PayPal. I have ASKED for help via the HELP & SUPPORT section OF BITCOINARY.COM, marked the case as URGENT, but received NO (0) ANSWER for MORE THAN A WEEK. * Members, PLEASE help me and advice me what to do. * Ian, do something (not only "save/eat" your escrow fee) No Updates? Seems like this one tanked. Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: vellen on September 08, 2013, 09:28:49 AM After few letters with no answer, Ian said that he can't do anything. Now i have -186 euro pp balance.
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: nuffsaid420 on October 22, 2013, 06:26:41 PM how does the site make $? Is there a fee? I've not implemented the fees yet. Current thinking is 0.5 - 1% paid by the market maker. At the moment it's free while I iron out any issues and add the features people are already asking for. Is 1% a promised max? If your fees exceed 1% I would not bother registering. Actually I just registered but don't get my activation mail. edit: thinking of it, as long as you don't handle money yourself, I don't see why you should take such a high cut at all. 1% capped at 1$ would seam more reasonable to me. Also I don't see how you would enforce any fees if the deals happen person to person for cash. I've got a make a living, so 1% capped at $1 would be great if volumes are huge. I don't see any need to go over 1%. I just made my 2nd sale, and everything went great, BUT I have to say until this fee is reduced I am no longer going to use this service. 2.5% fee!? I know that post was from over 1 year ago, but seriously I just had to pay you $25 for 1 transaction, a little ridiculous. It is a nice site, I see good potential for growth and legit competition to LB, but not until you get some more reasonable fees. I will keep checking hoping that number goes back to 1% Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: giszmo on October 23, 2013, 03:11:19 AM how does the site make $? Is there a fee? I've not implemented the fees yet. Current thinking is 0.5 - 1% paid by the market maker. At the moment it's free while I iron out any issues and add the features people are already asking for. Is 1% a promised max? If your fees exceed 1% I would not bother registering. Actually I just registered but don't get my activation mail. edit: thinking of it, as long as you don't handle money yourself, I don't see why you should take such a high cut at all. 1% capped at 1$ would seam more reasonable to me. Also I don't see how you would enforce any fees if the deals happen person to person for cash. I've got a make a living, so 1% capped at $1 would be great if volumes are huge. I don't see any need to go over 1%. I just made my 2nd sale, and everything went great, BUT I have to say until this fee is reduced I am no longer going to use this service. 2.5% fee!? I know that post was from over 1 year ago, but seriously I just had to pay you $25 for 1 transaction, a little ridiculous. It is a nice site, I see good potential for growth and legit competition to LB, but not until you get some more reasonable fees. I will keep checking hoping that number goes back to 1% oh, lol :) over LB's success I had forgotten there was this site as well. Yeah, please get your stuff together and provide a decent competition to localbitcoins! My guess would be that the train already left the station and you would really have to innovate. Ok, I wish there was such a thing as a decentralized service based on open source. Something like a localbitcoins federation, so I can apt-get install bitcoinary on my server, invite my friends and public to create accounts on my server, but if they want to use bitcoinary.org, because they have credit card gateways etc., they can do so, but searching for trades will find them across the whole federation if the server where i have an account is configured to trust others (all that bitcoinary trusts for example). Users could still say no to certain servers (think: hotmail, mail.ru, etc). Hmm, what you think? Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: alexanderanon on November 28, 2013, 12:52:28 AM Has bitcoinary changed its name to localbitcoins? bitcoinary.com redirects there.
Title: Re: Bitcoinary.com - The new smart way to buy and sell Bitcoins. Post by: BCB on November 28, 2013, 01:02:30 AM Interesting.
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