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As you may know that UK will have a referendum about whether they will leave the European Union or not.
So I want to know your opinion regarding this issue, SPECIALLY who live in Europe or UK:

Are you with or against "the U.K. quits the European Union" ?

They can eat shit and die too.

I don't really care.

I am in favor of the UK leaving the EU. It will accelerate the disintegration of the European Union. It will be good for the native people of Europe. The European Union was another attempt by the Germans to create the Fourth Reich, where Germany will dominate the other European nations. The Brits are intelligent, and that is why they are cancelling their membership.

http://www.the666.com/fotos/merkel-copyfuhrer.jpg

I was under the impression that Germany basically was the EU...

Aren't they the only country turning a profit?  All the rest are leeches, like Greece?

Germany might be the most important "donor" nation, but they are not the only one.

Donors: Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Sweden, and United Kingdom.

Parasites: Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Estonia, Greece, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, and Spain.

I'm American so may be biased, but Germany is not the only country paying as Bryant said.  Germany is paying a lot to the EU, but some others combined are paying more.

I don't think that the UK really wants to be part in the EU, they have different goals.  They should probably leave and join a trade pact, then the EU can continue on without them.

If Germany and Austria are donating the most money, how is the "4th Reich" useful for them?
It's just draining € from them, by your logic

As an American you miss an important fact about EU: it's before anything else a peace and military alliance.
Fact is before the EU we had a war every 5 years inside the EU, which why it's incredibly important.

But Germany isn't the most important country. They got a bit more money, but military and food are France and UK (mainly France though).

Yeah they did nothing since the begining.

UK has no legitimecy in the EU, I just hope they'll ask to live! let's get rid of them.

Actually considering its very special and unique status, UK isn't a donor but a parasite (with your categories).

Tatcher negotiated the treaty in a way that makes UK having a positive EU credit/debit balance... Sadly enough...

Here is the net contribution to the EU budget in 2015:

http://s29.postimg.org/do0gwcttv/EUBDGT.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/do0gwcttv/)

As you can see, the United Kingdom is the second largest net donor, after Germany. And surprisingly Netherlands is at #3 (I was expecting France or Italy).

Slaves love their masters. They will not leave.

watch this space we either leave by vote on the 23rd, or by bullets on the 24th :)

That money not goes for absolutely free. "Someday - and that day may never come - I'll call upon you to do a service for me. But until that day, accept this justice as gift on my daughter's wedding day."
That "service" used to be tax exemption or relief for - let's say German - companies what running factories in the "leaching" countries. Also, sometimes these poorer countries used to privatize things in exchange. In some cases these EU "donations" are money to pay back debt and interest for the EU itself (ECB) or for western banks. Pretty cloudy business tho'.

Learn from Scotland.

A week before the vote the threat of losing your benefits will be on everyone's tongue.

lol 10% of the global populous work, id love to know how those 10% believe their 22-23% donations fund the other 90% there is no fear we are leaving :)

IMO the UK never actually was a part of the European Union. They still have their own currency, pounds, right? They always had their own thoughts about everything and I think it's very difficult to them to adjust to other cultures and views especially when those views are not of people of the European Union but of the politicians of EU countries. So I will understand them if they quit.

Exactly! Perfectly agreed. They were always different, and did everything in their own way, not the way the Union dictated. Well if they didn't want in they can be out on their little island.

Remember what happened in the 1930s. The third Reich had also employed similar tactics. Right now, Germany is in short supply of slave labor. The European Union provides them cheap labor from countries such as Greece, Romania, Poland, and Bulgaria. What happened to the Greeks (debt bondage) will happen to the others in the EU as well. They can work for the German masters, until they payoff their never-ending debts.

Please don't say that! I hope they will leave I hope it so much!!!

So do I but I can totally understand his pessimism, I fear it will be like with Greece and Scotland, they just won't have the balls to do it.

I just don't understand why our presidents accepted the Brexit conditions...

"Kneel down and suck it!"
 "yes sir"

They're going for unelected Europion Union jobs, that's why they'll do anything, they can sit there earning thousands a month doing pretty much nothing with no way to get rid of them, the European Union in my opnion is an attempt at establishing an empire because nobody voted for these fuckers in charge at the central bank and so on.

You mean to say that the European Union is a bad thing and would like to see it dismantled?

There are advantages and disadvantages. For the richer, Western European countries, the disadvantages seem to outweigh the advantages.  :)

That is 100% true. The Western European Union members (i.e the original members) made so many concessions to the new members (i.e those from the former Warsaw Pact), so that they will join the organization. But in due course, the Eastern members started misusing their privileges, angering the citizens of the western nations. For example, right now the British welfare system is exploited to the core by immigrants from Poland, Romania, and Bulgaria. In some cases, native British were evicted from the council flats, to make room for these immigrants.

I'm all for a real EU. A real Eu would mean a Federal government with EU policies that are applied and can't be get rid of (like UK is doing).

First mandatory thing should be to have a unique taxation system.

You seem to have problems with migrants, but they're not the real problem. Wanna know where the real problem is? Ireland and Luxembourg. Those two countries are the biggest parasites of EU. Migrants are a problem, but they could be easily dealt with with a good economy and enough money. But fact is that all the BIG COMPANIES in EU have offshore companies in Ireland an Luxembourg where they pay nearly 0 taxes. It means, for example, that Apple makes billions of € in EU and gives NOTHING to EU states. And then we got debt and problem with migrants... But with Apple, Google, McDonald etc money, we could get rid of the debt, lower taxes of the people, have a better economy, less unemployment and suddenly migrants would be a much less important problem!

Sounds interesting. I didn't know that about Ireland and Luxembourg.

I love this thread  ;D I'm in the UK and I agree with some of you that state UK are better out of the EU and I agree with some who say it's a dictatorship.
IMO I hope UK does leave the EU, as the 2nd biggest contributor those resources could be used much more effectively on the UK to sort the welfare system so it's fair and does not discriminate against hard working people such as myself that pay into it. I see too many "lazy" people day to day who are happy to sit at home with their designer TV's and a full fridge of food and sign a piece of paper every 2 weeks to state they are "looking" for work when in actual fact they know they are doing just fine without working. This should not be the case, they should struggle and feel the pinch if they don't work, the incentive isn't there for them to break that habit and genuinely go out and find work. I agree with immigrants coming into the UK (not the illegal ones) as I feel they play an important role in the UK economy but for the lazy UK citizens to lay the blame here (which most do) is not only a sign of ignorance, it shows a lack of knowledge to whats actually going on around them. I personally look forward to the referendum.

each country in europe should leave this evil organisation for the sake of its sanity... europeen union sucks our souls.. and bloods brutally..

"Evil organization"? I am curious about the country you live in. Could that be Germany?

Although I hate the European Union, it is not possible to ignore the positive effect it had on the former Warsaw pact nations such as Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, and Slovakia. The European Union membership resulted in improving the living standards in each of these nations. The average wages increased by manifold, there was improvement in the health sector, and the local farmers became eligible for comprehensive subsidies. Without the European Union, these countries will go back to the stone age.

I am amazed to see that someone actually takes the side of the Union. Well done.

If they do leave the stock market will go haywire and not sure if I like the domino effect that would surface as a result.
But I also do not want to see the U.K over run by political interests that go contrary to its well being.

Imagine if they do leave it would cause other Countries to start punting migrants that where forced on them.

This doesn't mean anything

How much do they get back? What is the percentage of it considering being a small/big country?


Which tactics are those?

Except for Germany having a debt of 2.2 trillion €

You could wrap $1 bills around the Earth 9,122 times with the debt amount

If you lay $1 bills on top of each other they would make a pile 255,922 km

That's equivalent to 0.67 trips to the Moon

You're a ruskie, you don't want a strong union of countries on the west, it's cool, we get it  :D

The UK should exit the EU and join NAFTA and The UK has a lot more in common with the US and Canada than they ever did with these other Europeans and their bizarre legal systems.

Okay outside from their huge crisis like americas.

I`m more of afraid of the recent light with cold war 2.0 what vice filmed on the ground with going with russia.

And I have a feeling a possible WW3..

Me too

I see a bit of resemblance between 'Syrian Crisis' and 'Moroccan Crisis'

If it starts, it won't start now, but in a dozen years

The UK needs the EU much more now than when it joined in 1973. Just look at trade data. The UK alone cannot even feed its population. If all trade with the EU would stop, the British would starve to death. That won't happen of course, it just means the UK must have good relations with its major trade partners.

The issue with the welfare system sucking so badly in the UK has zero to do with UK's membership in the EU, and everything to do with bad politics and the heritage of Margaret Thatcher. But luckily, you want to cut costs even further on the backs of the unemployed. Is this your idea of "reforms"? It's already being done. And better pray to never be fired from your job. You will struggle having to send out 20 applications per week to just barely get by. The hightened fear alone will make working people more frightened, insecure and OBIDIENT. You will likely do anything to stay at a job you should have left years ago. And you will not do your job more efficiently because of it. The effects are not good for employees and even worse for a national economy in sum.

Populist Cameron used the anti-EU sentiment of some conservative politicans to help himself get into power. Now that he did that, it was never his intention for the UK to leave the EU as he doesn't want to be the prime minister responsible for the desastrous economic consequences the step will have for the UK and a complete loss of influence in anything larger than regional politics. You will be suprised to see what remains of your welfare system if trade with the EU is hurt and there will be even less money to share with the poor.

I don't think that UK will quit the EU but maybe they are using this situation to make some additional pressure on Bruxelles and get some extra benefits. In general, I wouldn't like them to exit.

That is not the full picture. Germany is very close to becoming a net debt-holder nation. They own federal debt from nations such as Greece and Portugal. I am not quite sure about the amount, but it might be close to € 2 trillion.


A few weeks ago, another user famous for his verbal diarrhea claimed that I am Indian. Now you are claiming that I am Russian. The truth is that I am neither Indian, nor Russian.  ;D

You're saying "I" want to cut costs even further? I'm saying IMO the 2nd biggest contributor could distribute that contribution across the whole of the UK, reshape the welfare system to encourage un-employed to get back to work, not scare the employed from leaving work.

You're also saying "Is this your idea of "reforms"?" I'm saying again IMO reforming and reshaping current systems is not always a bad thing, the politicians are just good at their jobs which is to scaremonger their citizens into thinking their ideas are the way forward and any other idea is a dark, bottomless pit of disaster.

I do agree however with your statement about Margaret Thatcher, she did nothing but harm the strength of the UK and current politics very much reflects this which is why leaving the EU and taking a step outside that dusty old house would provide a chance for shakeup, a chance for independent trade deals and a chance to once again be a United Kingdom (which to be fair, we are far from that right now). Again I must stress, this is my opinion.

And without EU we would probably already have a WWIII, but who cares? ::)

Yeah cause Germany is so wonderfull, so great! Take example you all filthy countries who try to limit the power of private sector!!!

Sounds good but actually not entirely true. I can write only about Hungary, but I've heard about the same issues in Poland as well. The healthcare and education system is deteriorating since we joined the EU as all the highly skilled doctors and nurses moved to the west. Agriculture is now in the hands of a few oligarchs as the farmers and small agro-businesses were unable to compete against the much more subsidized Austrian, French and German farmers. Local industry practically disappeared as skilled workers also went to the western countries and local workshops are only manufacturing some small scale but complicated and work intensive parts for big western corporations. Apart from a thin middle and upper class living standards are actually going down since the early 2000s. There are more malnourished child and pensioner today than 20 years ago. Also a lot more people living under the official poverty threshold limit than back in the 90's.
...and yes, these countries would go back to stone age without the EU as nearly all medium and large production facilities have disappeared after the privatization waves of the 90's, agriculture changed focus, as EU incentivized chopping out orchards and vineyards but subsidized industrialized rapeseed and sunflower (biodiesel) production instead of wheat or corn. So after exiting the EU, these countries would face huge unemployment, and financial difficulties so most of them would go belly up pretty quickly.

You're talking about Germany as if it was an example we should follow :-/

Why we would have a WW3? Half of the european countries would go bankrupt, maybe in eastern europe some leaders would try to resolve social problems by warming up some old grievances, in western and southern europe some minorities would go for independence, but all of these issues would be only a bunch of limited local conflict. Russia and Germany would be busy with picking up the pieces and the US-UK duo would be also occupied with dealing with the fallout and securing north africa and the oil around. I think nobody would have the money and time to start a big war.

Dont forget we import and as much as we export, joint trade is still in everyone's best interest and will continue.

So you are saying the UK should remain in the EU and keep handing out billions of £'s along with Germany and France just to appease the scrounging eastern Europeans to prevent them starting wars?

AGREED.......UK's export is worth approx £330 billion ($460b) whereas UK's import is worth approx £449 billion ($625b) (as of 2015) some of that trade may suffer as a result of leaving the EU but I believe plenty of it would remain and additional trades would be created.

As an Eastern European immigrant in the UK I'm in an interesting position, but I think the UK would do better outside of the EU. The Brexit doesn't mean a war against the rest of Europe, just returning to the original "peaceful consistence" concept. I guess nobody want to suspend trading and business, especially because of the EU would lost more on such an economic conflict. BTW if the UK no longer have to pay EU budget contributions and "benefit tourists" from the EU, that means a lot of money would stay here to deal with the potential negative effects.

...and hopefully we could smoke in the pubs again :).

hahahha, yes absolutely , defition of my thought.. united kingdom is one of the evil powers of the world.. it can eat its own shit i dont care..

I don't understand why France tolerate all this shit...

We should rule over the whole EU. Making it a federal state. Who could stop us?

I didn't said that the EU accession of the former Warsaw Pact was 100% positive. It was more like 80% positive, and 20% negative. Obviously, when you are transforming from the Communist / Socialist system to the Capitalist system, the oligarchs will be able to steal a large chunk of the national wealth. This has happened in almost all the countries, including Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, Poland, and Hungary. Perhaps Belarus is the only exception because it is still under a dictatorship.

Emigration of skilled workers is a major issue, but there are partial solutions to resolve this. For example, to compensate the doctors and other healthcare workers who are migrating to the Western European nations, you can import physicians from Ukraine and Serbia. Factory workers can be sourced from Moldova and Macedonia.

And I strongly suspect that the fall in living standards might be because of the emigration of the middle class. The government should encourage them to return, with their hard earned money. Hungary won't be as expensive as England or Germany. The returnees will be able to live much more comfortably, than they are doing currently.

It would indeed be a solution.

Napoleon would probably cry given how France bow in front of parasites like Ireland, Luxembourg or Switzerland given our current power.
But no, as our politicians are all corupted and weak they prefer continue to steal the French to give money to some big companies and small countries...

Obviously. Because Socialism is the worst thing ever whereas Capitalism is plain Heaven!

Damn I don't understand, why are people like you staying in EU?
You wanna free capitalism? Go to the USA! They'll have exactly what you want! low immigration, death penalty, gun freedom, no social healthcare or welfare...

anybody wanting to remain in, i suggest you move there before the vote, WE ARE LEAVING LIKE IT OR LUMP IT, and all the ins will be hung by the outs :)

Capitalism is dead in the US.

In my opinion it's closer to the 50-50%. The free looting after joining the EU was the second round, when the bosses sold everything what they haven't stole :).


Actually skilled professionals can find a work (can get a work permit) in the western countries even if their country isn't an EU member. There are no chance to attract these professionals unless a country can offer the same or at least similar salary. Regarding factory workers there is a language barrier.


Not working, the most basic food and clothing stuff is cheaper of course, but that's not something what the middle class would buy, and the quality stuff is about the same price as in England or Germany. Salaries however a lot less. At home I was a quite well paid IT professional, with a salary far above the average, but that was still less than what shop assistants got in England. Since I've bought a house here, gained permanent residency, maybe I'll go for citizenship this year, I have no intention to go home very soon. Most of the fellow ex-middle class Hungarians are thinking and acting on a similar way. Nobody really want to go home to be a dogsbody to some penny-pinching rude bastard for peanuts again.

Have you ever thought about starting your own IT business? I am also working in the IT industry, and I still dream about starting my own company (not in the near future, but after 10 or 15, or even 20 years). The Western European markets are saturated. There will be a lot of opportunity in countries such as Hungary. Perhaps if you could find 10 or 12 Hungarians working in the IT industry in the United Kingdom, then it might be possible to start a new venture back home.


Trust me, it is very difficult for someone in South-east Asia to get a work visa for the United Kingdom. The first preference is given to the British, then to the rest of EU. As per labor laws, someone from outside the EU can be hired only if there is no one in the EU to fill that vacancy.

The average salary for a doctor in Ukraine is around $300 to $500 per month. If the Hungarian government is willing to pay them $1,000 per month, then a lot many of them will happily immigrate to Hungary. And language barrier can be overcome very easily, with the help of translators.

I'm against it but UK citizens have democratic right to decide if they want to stay in EU or leave.
I just hope they will decide based on intellect, not emotions.
They should understand how much financially and economically, even politically, they will loose if they decide to leave.
UK companies will loose market, people will loose jobs, political influence of UK will decrease, Scotland will probably separate from London etc.

I thought I read somewhere you were a ruskie, if I'm mistaken sorry

I remembered you for the bitcoin island thread, which spurred up my interest quite a bit

^^ Exactly. EU is a self-arranged government without support from the people, and which the people never asked for. You could call it a dictatorship, and their interests are far from the interests of the European population.

Dumb comment, dumb as hell ><

Germany has power only what we give them. They have no way to impose their view on EU!!! Please think before writing!

WTF? If capitalism is dead in the US what is their economic system then???

This guy is one of the biggest lier here on bct or he has some really bad mental issues.
Wanna know something funny? He stated proudly in the past that he was indian and part white until the "extreme racist" thread showed that indians are in avg just a bit smarter then blacks and SEA are the smartest. Now his narrative is that he is SEA and from Singapore with some other stuff mixed.
(And of course no way indian!!)

Germanys debt:

Whole debt is around 2 trillion since WW2 until now. And we pay with distance to the 2nd placed GB the most into EU.

Don't know if he's a liar but what's sure is that he spreads only hoaxes and BS on the whole forum...

Bah they do their own way since the beginning. If they don't want the € or the Shengen, let them go...

Yeh I don't really care EU is bad for us anyway, at least the British people are smart.
I think they where the only ones who could actually vote to accept the euro or not.
And they chose to not even use the Euro and look at the gbp now still higher then euro's or dollars!

So them leaving europa seems like a logical choice for them since they aren't even using the Euro.

EU is probably the best thing that was made in last centuries, problem is that people don't care about it and are too dumb to see the real problems. They keep talking about immigration and their little petty problems... ::)

EU is a criminal mafia, as bad as the bulgarian guberment, and it will be disbanded just as soon as we vote to leave the dictatorship :)

That's a rather difficult thing. Hungary is pretty close to Ukraine... and not just geographically, if you see what I mean :).

Lol, what did EU do to your country? I mean apart from bringing peace in the whole Europe for the longest period of time ever? ::)

could start with the theft of 27.5 million per day, the stupid legislations they have forced upon us, and this migrant crises, they are coming from places too close to saudi arabia where women are possessions and are not allowed out without a male to protect them from their rape culture, yet the idiots seem to believe they will assimilate :( as if, if you were allowed 7 wives in your home land, you would expect that privilege no matter where u go :(

Well not exactly.

Just to keep it short : if latest news are real seems like Edward Snowden revealation unveiled a "conspiracy" againt at that time Italian Prime Minister Berlusconi (which Italians had voted and put there where he was) that brought him to be dismissed (because he didn't want to submit to strict constraints and commitments that Sarkozy and Merkle wanted Italy to keep) and to be substituted by the more welcome from EU = ( Merkel and Sarko).

Yeah but this is all political subtilities. Facts are here: France and UK got the military power, they could do whatever the fuck they want if only they had real governments...

The conspiracy was to remove the pro-Russian leaders in the European Union, and it was hatched in the Pentagon. If you remember, Berlusconi was not the only leader to be removed. Around the same time, pro-Russian Gerhard Schröder was replaced with anti-Russian and American puppet Angela Merkel, and the pro-Russian Nicolas Sarkozy was replaced with the pro-NATO François Hollande.

AHAHAHAHAH xD

OMG! You keep adding BS after BS...
You're "pro-Russian" Sarkozy is the first president of France who accepted to integer back NATO xD

So where is your argument now? You really don't care about truth and reality do you?

And here are some small things Hollande did with Russia:
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/26/putin-meets-hollande-france-and-russia-getting-closer.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34931378

Yeah he's really against Russian that's for sure ::)

- UK EU exit would be global economy 'shock' - G20 leaders

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35677385

So is it going to be a new 2008 global economic crises or they are just exaggerating and nothing will happen

The Brits pushed hard for it to be included on the list of woes at the last minute because Osborne and Carney are both pro stay in.
In the global scheme of things it's pretty minor.

the in campaign are seriously clutching at straws, i can not wait to see if they tell us the results honestly and pull us out of europe, or if they try to rig it and kick off a civil war, we are leaving no 2 ways about the matter :)

Betting odds are 2/1 in favor of staying in atm.
Whether that will reflect in the result depends on how many stay ins bother to vote. That's why the pro camp pushed for the inclusion on that list, dire warnings of economic chaos might have some effect on turnout.
The only people who have strong opinions in my experience are antis, who generally believe coming out will "Make Britain Great Again" or some such bollocks.
It's a Xenophobia poll as much as anything, the economic effects are incalculable.

the reality is, if we leave things in general will stay pretty much about the same as it is now, hopefully with a little policy adjustment to reign in the old bill and councils etc, but if we stay things are going to go 100x worse in no time flat, they will force us into the shengen zone and force us to take the euro which will remove our currency as the globes strongest currency which screws us over royally on the world stage, then in October turkey joins the shengen zone which is full of eastern migrants whose culture does not match ours in any way shape or form, look at saudi arabia its common knowledge that women there are possessions, they are not even allowed to walk the streets without a male escort (assuming this is to protect them from the perceived rape culture, which i also assume is how they stop the women from wearing the trousers so to speak lol)  men have multiple wives who all worship husband. if we stay do you honestly think they will give up their cultures and ways of life to fit in with what we are told is civilization? i know i dont, and im not living with their culture, neither should anybody else assuming we all want to keep our so called "civilization"

we need out we really do

exactly.. agreed.. europeen union is too dumb to see  its crucial problems and they will screw it up in near future.. nothing more to say .. we will see..

The European Union in its original format was a good idea. But in due course of time, it became just another tool for Germany to dominate the smaller nations such as Slovakia and Hungary. The earlier EU, which was similar to the ASEAN and the African Union was doing well. But then, some people thought that taking away powers from the member nations and asking them to obey the EU laws and regulations would be a good idea.

That's quite a common view in the UK these days, the isolationists UKIP got about 3.8 million votes out of 30 million cast in the 2015 General Election, when 2 out of 3 entitled to actually voted.
If that 3.8 million vote 'out' and are joined by say half the 12 million Tory voters, then a low turnout would probably swing it. Rule Britannia.

There is no actual legal obligation for the Government to do anything as a result of the referendum. A close call would be quite a problem, especially for a neocon government whose leader wants to stay in.


When people say stuff like this......

dont ever miss quote me again my learned friend, you may wish to educate yourself on the cultures being allowed access to europe, every word was fact unless you have evidence on the contrary?

The UK should leave the EU unless they want to be destroyed by 3rd world country immigrants..

uk barely takes in refugees. what are you talking about?

oh wait sig spam

I think the UK must either accept the same rights and responsibilities other EU countries have or leave the union. No special status - it is an insult for smaller EU states!

The problem will be worsened if the UK leave the European Union. All the Polish and Slovak immigrants will be replaced with unskilled immigrants from Pakistan, Somalia and Bangladesh. Also, any such measure will wreck the economies of countries such as Poland, as remittances account for a significant part of the GDP.

no the problem will stay about the same by leaving the eu, if we stay it will get 100x worse in no time flat, mark my words we are leaving and no amount of butthurt idiots will stop us, SINK EU and sink hard :)

IDK if they should leave or not, but it would be fun to watch if they do. There will be lot of shit if they really decide to go cause Scotland could leave UK in that case.

What will Scotland do if the crude oil price remains at $35 per barrel? In the North Sea, the cost of production for a barrel of crude is somewhere around $50. Right now, they are making a loss of $15 per barrel. Very soon, hundreds of thousands of workers are going to get fired from their jobs by the oil companies. If that happens, then the Scots will think twice about independence.


Some say that rich European nations such as the United Kingdom is having a responsibility to help the poorer ones, such as Poland and Romania. The EU is benefiting these poor countries.

dude im english, im technically poor the eu is not my problem, never wanted any part of it, never will its not as if they are feeding watering or clothing me, im left with that responsibility, yet the criminal eu are responsible for my living expenses raising by min x5 in the last 5 year alone :( we are leaving no doubt about it

From the UK I still don't know what to do  IN OR OUT ???
Duncan smith UNIVERSAL CREDIT :D and he wants out.. So what's universal about it then?

More like he wants to be a dictator bed room tax he put on his own people horrible man imagine what else he wants to do if he gets the keys to Britain..FRESH AIR TAX.mind you we already do get taxed on fresh air..WIND TURBINES..tax disc on your peddle bike be next ;D with ian duncan smith

I THINK IN OR OUT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE STILL BE THE SAME OLD RICH PEOPLE GIVING THE ORDERS
So i am still on the fence

Also what pisses me off WHY DO SCOTLAND GET FREE EDUCATION BUT ENGLAND DON'T .WHY WHY WHY
IT'S NOT FAIR.
Also if I am from England and i move to Scotland my child still has to pay for her education WHY
if she is BRITISH..So really Scotland as already separated them selves from  England

THE WHOLE OF THE UK SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME

Also another joke in our political system is the votes.. 1 million people in a city vote and you get the same amount of vote in a village with 3 people in it  they both act as 1 seat..joke



 

bedroom tax and universal credit were both gifts from the eu, if they could be called gifts that is, we have not made any of our own legislation in over 20 years :(

tell me some good points why we should leave you might get me to vote out

if we dont leave we will be absorbed into europe, becoming a member state or a region of europe, we never actually voted to join europe it was only ever a trade deal, they will eventually rob us of the pound (currently the globes strongest currency) which destroys our credit rating on the world stage along with our status, they will force us into the shengen agreement, taxation will go through the roof, october turkey joins the shengen zone allowing incompatible cultures into our lands, intentionally of course as once they get a million incompatible cultured migrants here that will cause civil unrest which will lead to rfid chips and marshal law :(

however if we leave and wish to continue trading with the eu things wi,ll stay about the same as they are now, hopefully with the old bill put back on oath and off the racketeering game, we save minimum 27.5 million pound per day <<< this 1 is huge, image all the tax cuts we could have with that kind of saving, we also get to get rid of some of the stupid legislations handed down to us by brussels and control our own borders, we also would seriously hamper the ttip deal too which needs to be stopped at all costs in my eyes :)

i personally think the welfare state ponzi will live on if we leave europe, but if we stay it will be eroded to nothing in 3 years max :(

The last time I voted was to join the common market (Europe) it was smaller at the time.
Supposed to be better for all of us, they lied, it was in favour of business mostly.
I never trusted politicians since, never voted for any of them

The next time I vote will be my second time, and I will vote for out... after that no more votes from me, as I despise the liars.


Best to read it all http://www.vernoncoleman.com/howthebritishmedia.htm (http://www.vernoncoleman.com/howthebritishmedia.htm)

OO SHIT TURKEY JOINS I am out  THANKS BUD

Thanks for the info racey and trickyriky  I AM OUT thanks TONY BENN wanted out never knew that.. A GREAT MAN TONY BENN FOR THE PEOPLE..

THANKS CHAPS ..I PROMISE MY VOTE IS OUT

That is cool thanks, spread the word to people.
And tell them to stop watching soaps and shit, especially the jerrmy kyle joker.

good stuff, and your very welcome, spread the word if we can muster 100% out vote (i know i know lol) but if, nobody will stop us from hanging them if they try rigging it :)


dont forget its illegal to use a legal name ;)

I agree, today EU is mostly for businesses. I'd love to believe in EU and I'm sure it's the future! But not as long as politicians are corrupted liars.

You can see I wrote jerrmy

Excuse me but I didn't understand.

What is it illegal to talk about? Why can't you give the correct name?

absolutely, it's not that the EU is gonna last long anyway

I absolutely didn't understand anything. Maybe I'm dumb.

I have any right to use your legal name if I know it no?

are you a solicitor or barrister who holds a bar card ??? im assuming not, only those people are licensed to practice legal, a name in law is nothing more than that by which something is commonly known, nobody is commonly known as title first name last name ;) never claim to represent guberment property, they own all legal names, by the trust that is created when the birth certificate is created, google legal name fraud for a better explanation :)

Sure, there's a little too much red tape and bureaucracy, but the advantages of staying seem to outweigh the negatives:

the eu did none of those things for us, they robbed us of 55 million quid per day then gave us back 27.5 million per day and claimed to be responsible for the above when they only really steal 27.5 million a day from the idiots who pay the tax

The UK will be bribed to stay.

They will cave.

It will not be worth whatever is offered.

they are already working on the fear campaign and getting laughed at all over shitbook, we know they will step up their game in some way or other, but so far it does not look like we are caving in, thank fook.

+10000000000 agreed fully on your last point, we are leaving :)

Ahahah xD

Yeah keep believing that UK alone will be able to conduct those kind of policies or researches.

Stay on your Island buddies. British have always been alone and will always be. They're not able to give anything up of themselves for the greater good.

Oh god if only Churchill and De Gaulle were here... What a marvelous EU they would have built.

After the thatcher rabate and the eu subsidies GB pays around 18 million pounds per day to the eu.

If we divide that through the 50 millions brits it makes ~0,36 pounds per day  or 131,4 pounds per year for every brit and this would place GB on place 8 of the 10 net contributors.

What a high price for a domestic market of ~340 million people and freedom of travel, living and working where you want.

The funny thing:

Of course GB can get out, but they would have to negotiate all treaties again and as net effect they would have a status like the scadinavian countries:
They are part of the EU just without power to say anything.

They don't give a fuck about that. They have one of the highest Gini index of Europe, they're a free and unequal society. They have nothing to do with the European dream, they'll be much more at ease as American puppets.

you sir need lobotomizing, it sounds like you are mr junker attempting to CONvince people to stay, we are leaving you dumb smuck....

we dont need to conduct anything, and yeah we're happy on our island thank you, keep your cest pit known as the criminal mafia cabal of the EU :P

we pay 55 million per day to the criminal mafia eu, they give us back 27.5 million per day meaning they rob us of 27.5 million per day, where you getting your numbers from??

mark my words, WE ARE LEAVING BY VOTE ON THE 23rd OR BULLETS ON THE 24th :)

Well being a British citizen myself I am against the this, that UK might quit the European Union, why? Well Britain has long established itself as a backbone of the economy of many of its neighbor countries ie importing and exporting trades go back hundreds of years.

as long as were a part of the criminal eu they get to dictate our laws, your ancestors will be turning in their graves, they did not give up their lives for us to become european, if i was you i would seriously be questioning where my loyalties laid :(

If you guys think this over earlier (like 1803 or 1939) a lot of lives could have been saved ;).

i am not the English, but i do not agree if the English decide to leave the EUropean Union, they will have some problems in various fields, political, economic and sports, of course, this will also limit the role of the UK's revitalized European Union.

Bullets on the 24th? Bullets against who? The EU?

But go and leave you freak, UK has never been good to anything but war.

Yeah sure! Could you please give me one example of a law of UK that has been dictated by EU?

And your ancestors died for the Europeans to be free. Which means free to chose what they want to do.

If the vote does not have people leaving it will mean that they have been brainwashed enough that no bullets will ever fly. Propaganda is more powerful than bullets.

Or that people actually see why EU is good for them...

The pros and cons of leaving the EU

Perhaps the greatest uncertainty associated with leaving the EU is that no country has ever done it before, so no one can predict the exact result. Nevertheless, many have tried.

Trade: One of the biggest advantages of the EU is free trade between member nations, making it easier and cheaper for British companies to export their goods to Europe. Some business leaders think the boost to income outweighs the billions of pounds in membership fees Britain would save if it left the EU. The UK also risks losing some of its negotiation power internationally by leaving the trading bloc, but it would be free to establish trade agreements with non-EU countries.

Ukip leader Nigel Farage believes Britain could follow the lead of Norway, which has access to the single market but is not bound by EU laws on areas such as agriculture, justice and home affairs. But others argue that an "amicable divorce" would not be possible. The Economist says Britain would still be subject to the politics and economics of Europe, but would no longer have a seat at the table to try to influence matters.

A study by the think-tank Open Europe, which wants to see the EU radically reformed, found that the worst-case "Brexit" scenario is that the UK economy loses 2.2 per cent of its total GDP by 2030. However, it says that GDP could rise by 1.6 per cent if the UK could negotiate a free trade deal with Europe and pursued "very ambitious deregulation".

Investment: The general view is that inward investment could slow in the lead up to the vote due to the uncertainty of the outcome and its consequences, following the precedent set ahead of the Scottish independence referendum in 2014. Longer term, there are diverging views: pro-Europeans reckon the UK's status as one of the world's biggest financial centres will come under threat if it is no longer seen as a gateway to the EU for the likes of US banks, while Brexit campaigners argue London's unique appeal will not be diminished.

Barclays has put forward a different view, which will be seen as positive by those advocating a vote to leave. It reckons the departure of one of the union's most powerful economies would hit its finances and also boost populist anti-EU movements in other countries, the Daily Telegraph says. This would open a "Pandora's box" that could lead to the "collapse of the European project".

In this event, the UK could be seen as a safe haven from those risks, attracting investors, boosting the pound and reducing the risk that Scotland would "leave the relative safety of the UK for an increasingly uncertain EU".

Jobs: Free movement of people across the EU opens up job opportunities for UK workers willing to travel and makes it relatively easy for UK companies to employ workers from other EU countries. Ukip says this prevents the UK "managing its own borders". But, writing for the LSE, Professor Adrian Favell says limiting this freedom would deter the "brightest and the best" of the continent from coming to Britain, create complex new immigration controls and reduce the pool of candidates employers can choose from.

Regulations: Eurosceptics argue that the vast majority of small and medium sized firms do not trade with the EU but are restricted by a huge regulatory burden imposed from abroad. However, others warn that millions of jobs could be lost if global manufacturers, such as car makers, move to lower-cost EU countries, while British farmers would lose billions in EU subsidies.

Influence: Britain may lose some of its military influence – many believe that America would consider Britain to be a less useful ally if it was detached from Europe.

On the plus side, The Economist says Britain would also be able to claim back its territorial fishing waters, scrap caps on limits to the number of hours people can work per week, free itself from the EU's renewable energy drive and create a freer economic market. This would turn London into a "freewheeling hub for emerging-market finance – a sort of Singapore on steroids", it says.

But it concludes that the most likely outcome is that Britain would find itself "as a scratchy outsider with somewhat limited access to the single market, almost no influence and few friends. And one certainty: that having once departed, it would be all but impossible to get back in again."

Security: Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith, who has come out in favour of Brexit, believes we are leaving the "door open" to terrorist attacks by remaining in the European Union. "This open border does not allow us to check and control people," he says.

However, a dozen senior military figures, including former chiefs of defence staff Lord Bramall and Jock Stirrup, say the opposite. In a letter released by No 10, they argue that the EU is an "increasingly important pillar of our security", especially at a time of instability in the Middle East and in the face of "resurgent Russian nationalism and aggression".

Defence Secretary Michael Fallon has also said the UK benefits from being part Europe, as well as Nato and the United Nations. "It is through the EU that you exchange criminal records and passenger records and work together on counter-terrorism," he said. "We need the collective weight of the EU when you are dealing with Russian aggression or terrorism."

In contrast, Colonel Richard Kemp, writing in The Times, says these "critical bilateral relationships" would persist regardless and that it is "absurd" to suggest the EU would put its own citizens, or the UK's, at greater risk by reducing cooperation in the event of Brexit. "By leaving, we will again be able to determine who does and does not enter the UK," says Kemp, a former head of the international terrorism team at the Cabinet Office. "Failure to do so significantly increases the terrorist threat here, endangers our people and is a betrayal of this country."

http://www.theweek.co.uk/eu-referendum

Nice and dandy, this is the pro-EU propaganda what coming even from the water tap. Unfortunately it's very difficult (if not impossible) to find any unbiased opinion on the diplomatic and economic impact of Brexit. Anyway as I see on my workplace (IT company with mostly mid-class english people) the majority would support the exit.

bullets against your criminal mafia guberments who will attempt to rig the vote, 95% of anybody who is anybody wants out, you retarded ins are traitors to your country, and the fallen war victims who fought to keep england english, and for us not to become european, but yeah only a retard accepts the bullshit they are TOLD

all the legislations of the last 40 years, hows that for you?

and your ancestors died so we did not get taken over and become european, idiot!!!

screw the EU its a criminal mafia dictatorship, who will sink by vote or by force, either way, we never wanted any part of europe, just to trade but you give an inch n they take a mile, well now were taking back 10 mile as they have took the piss :P

People rely on the UK not just for goods but also for moral support as UK has extended it's help all across the globe throughout history. Now in the European Union it is the major country where others look up to, Britain's economy has long been established and to pull away from the Union will undoubtedly create unrest,disillusionment and a host of other problems.

Most moral support comes in the form of (Aid and Abet) whether it be arms or money.
Sending money to build a road or a bank does not feed people.
It's all about backhanded tricks.

If you vote out you'll be out...

WHy talking about a mafia government?

Calm down. If more than 50% of the population votes against the BREXIT, then the United Kingdom stays in the European Union. There is no point in resorting to violence, if the majority of the population is against it. BTW... can anyone tell me who can vote in this referendum? Is it only for British citizens, or the EU immigrants residing in the UK are also allowed to cast their vote?

UK should be in the schengen area so people that have schengen visa to be free to travel to UK too, i'm against uk quitting the EU

thats what they are, they are attempting to rule by force, and we are not standing for it

im passionate mate, a true englishman and my bellys on fire over all this :(

i honestly dont know yet, would suspect only registered voters will be allowed to vote but there is chatter so we shall see on that 1

exactly the reason we need out, incompatible cultures are not welcome, why should we change our ways to suit newcomers, we shouldnt :(

The numbers are from 2014, but i just found the numbers for 2015 from your treasury:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/483344/EU_finances_2015_final_web_09122015.pdf#page=18

its about ~23,3 million a day now -> 0,46 pound per day or 170 pound per year per brit.

(oh and btw. even if the 55 would be right - GB does not sent it: the thatcher rabate is calculated at source - there is no payback from the eu, GB just sends less or rather the other EU states pays for GB)

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this is not all actually, there is even more money for GB in the form of direct subsidies for research and etc for the private sector which accumulates to more the 1 billion pound. (2013 was 1,4 billion pound)

i dont care what fabrications they publish, what they told us a few year ago is they supposedly negotiated us into paying something like 908 billion by 2020, thats not negotiation, and im english i do not agree to pay them a penny i am my own government and i have no treaties contracts or agreements with them, they are deceiving you all and playing with your desires and you dont even know it, this is what they do, here is $1000 ive just typed it up and its real, you can use it as money if you like, but if you do use it as money you have to pay me back $1100 of real money to cancel the debt, they are taking the planet over piece by piece and enslaving you all with debt and the desire to work when there are no jobs so silly jobs are created to keep up the circle of the workers funding the bankers :/

Well if you don't agree paying around 170 pounds a year to have the right of free travel in the whole Europe, freedom of exchange, European cooperation over incredible scientific projects, European school exchanges...

Then vote for out. Just don't come back in 10 years crying about the fact that the other European countries discovered fusion thanks to the CERN and have common exchanges between schools. And don't cry that no one will buy your English product anymore as they'll be taxed entering European Union.

LOL why would i cry or even wish to go back to something we never wanted in the first place, the eu will sink without england, and sink it shall, we are leaving........ we have gone as far as we can go technologically, yet we still leave people to starve mostly because of stupid brainless failed projects such as the EU LOL get an education

Ok I think everyone here can see that this man opinion is... Special.

And by special I mean "heavily flawed and based on nothing but some biggotery lies".

The simple fact to say "we have gone as far as we can go technologically" is an insult to both the thousands of scientists actually working for a better tomorrow but to whole humanity who never took such stupid statement for granted.

you sir are clearly a brainless fool who has no idea about the real world in which we reside, NO IDEA WHAT SO EVER :( our technology which we are allowed are 50 year old military cast offs, think about what we would have access to if it was not classified, now like i stated once before, go get an education before attempting and failing to ridicule a more intelligent brain than your own :P

It's really hard to understand you you know?

From what I got you're saying that the technology we're using is discovered since 50 years but it took 50 years to become accessible to the people?

That makes at least as much sense as UK wanting to go out EU xD

thats pretty much how it works, and the sense of it dont matter we need out and we will leave :)

But even if what you say is true (and it is not) it doesn't change the fact that technology keep going on and evolve and change no?

sorry but insult me and i return the favour you ignorant prick, dont ever call me a liar again it it you who is uneducated, read what i stated we have gone about as far as we can technologically, what we get today is 50 year old military tech which is no longer classified, not my problem you have no clue how your criminal guberments work really is it

You're not lying you're just stupid.
You're actually arguing that technology no longer advanced?

Do you have any knowledge about nanometric science for example? Don't you know how huge the researches and the developments are in this field?

And you're seriously saying that 50 years ago militaries already knew things like self driving cars or simply had the current computing power that we have?

Here's a list of what was invented in the 21st century.
If you claim that all that existed 50 years ago... Well you gotta have some serious proofs!

http://bizzvenue.com/jaw-dropping-inventions-21st-century/

& craked5
what are you not understanding about the facts that ALL technology is militarized before it is given to the general public, and the fact that ALL military tech has a 50 year classification period????

It's not true.
If what you say was true, it would mean that the internet was invented by the army in 1900. Too bad computer wasn't even invented in 1900.
And thousands of technologies have been developped by private research.

What you say makes no sense at all. Do you really believe that something like artificial hearts were used by army in 1960? But that we just only oppened it to the public!!!

what part of my belief are you not grasping, facts do not care about yours or anybody elses opinions, unless you have proof that my claims are incorrect, EVERY single bit of new technology is effectively stolen by the military industrial complex and militarised, and classified... and every single military classification last for minimum 50 years.....

sorry if you dont like reality, but welcome to the real world, you may want to look into the 125 scientists that have been murdered by guberments of the globe in the last decade, or the 45 bankers in the last 2 years, i will apologize for being more in the know of the real world even though its you who should be apologizing for not being upto the same page or even chapter as i :)

Not sure if :D or  :'(

feelings mutual, idiocracy was a film not the plan for humanity, seems too many of you got the wrong end of the stick :/

Ok but where do you take your info from?

You're making a claim. Fair enough. Do you have any kind of proof?

they are all common knowledge, only an idiot asks for evidence of something which is common knowledge, give it up you can not beat me :)

Common knowledge? Might want to ask around who's aware of that? Cause I'm ready to bet 10btc that 90% of the forum at least never heard of such "theory".

And if it's such common knowledge it should be incredibly easy to find any kind of evidence.

You see the fact that earth is round is a common knowledge. Well I just have to write "round earth" in google to find evidence. Whereas when I type your theory on google I have nothing.

the glorious guberments regularly release declassified documentations, usually after 50 years of it being classified, this is common knowledge as far as im concerned, and it is also a well know fact that any new technology that is found is jumped on by the military industrial complex, we very rarely get anything before the military gets their hands on it, e-cigs being a recent example as far as im aware. i remember when i was younger DVDs had just come out or so i thought, my old man found it hillarious told me they tried introducing these DVDs 15 year previous but the mass's were apparently happy with betamax and rejected DVDs untill my generation came along, what im telling you is very real the history you were taught was not a true account of history by any short of the imagination :/

Your right what your saying..If the technology can be used for war kill death murder..
Then your right military will always get it first and if not they kill you and take it..

Imagine you had invisible spray and said i will release to the public first so people can buy it..
The military would step in and say your selling it to us and no one else..Imagine if you said no?

Also FRANCE WHO ARE YOU THREATENING there will be consequences if we leave
WE BRITISH DON'T TAKE TO KINDLY TO THREATS..Big mistake

Lol, what do you think?
You think there will be no consequences if you leave EU? Of course there will be. First we'll kindly let the thousands of migrants that want to join your country go. Why should we step in and help you if we're no longer allies?

Then we'll tax any importation from UK. That's the whole point of EU afterall, freedom of exchange.

And you'll be let behind in the scientific research because UK alone has nothing to give to the world. Most of your scientific education is just a big fat joke, which is why UK companies are actually hiring French engineers ^^

lol typical scare mongery of a retarded in campaigner, just remember every threat = a 2 way street we could be more difficult with the criminal eu than they can be with us considering we export more to non eu countries and can avoid EU all together if they want to be stupid brainless idiots, as for the migrants by all means open the channel tunnel so we can destroy it once its full......

forgot the battle of agincourt??

There's a helpful piece here (http://infacts.org/uk-doesnt-send-eu-350m-a-week-or-55m-a-day/) explaining how we're arriving at those figures.

In practice, leaving doesn't really leave us any better off:


Compared to what we're spanking on Trident, it's a drop in the ocean.  There are better ways to save money instead of torpedoing our economic ties with neighbouring countries.

Difference is we could spread what we sell you to the 25 countries of EU whereas you would have to spread what you previously exported to 24 countries.

And you're seriously going with agincourt? Wanna talk about Jeanne d'Arc?

Not even 20 millions a day. For a total free market and exchange of knowledge between 25 countries?

Seems like a good deal for me.
But if UK wants out just let them go. They've never been the most innovative country of Europe anyway xD

LOL at the dumb opinions of the non uk peeps and the ex pats, anybody in this country working the in campaign = a treasonous traitor to their dead ancestors who gave up there lives to stop us becoming european, a vote to stay = a vote to surrender ww2 70 year after we allegedly won, shame on all you dumb ins

Meh? Where did you see that EU voted laws for you? Being in the EU is not the same thing as creating one country...

Eu is not a federal state!

can a pro-eu person explain why we need to accept free movement of people (not goods), hand over billions every year to poor eastern europeans so they can build roads and airports and agree to share courts and a parliament with 20 whatever it is countries for the privilege of being allowed to trade with them, because there are other free trade treaty areas in the world that don't operate under such conditions

for those europeans who don't get why so many of us want out, we don't hate you, at least most of us don't, but nor do we want to pool our resources with you and see our wealth redistributed to you

Think the argument goes along the lines that it give Scotland more ammo to seperate and North Ireland will most likely fire up again as well. It would isolate for sure as you will no longer have EU agreements to draw from. Would also lessen the voice you have globally as you are not a united front to mass migration.

This is just jabber I read in the Economist though,so its really hard to project how this would break things long term.

Firstly, I am not a European citizens so my opinion might be inaccurate. As far as I know, Britain economy does benefit from the free movement as it provide it with free labors who come from east.
Also leaving the EU will not be good for exporting goods from Britain to the rest of EU because there will be taxes

mass immigration from poorer countries does not benefit us, it lowers wages and raises rents

the question was why do we need a parliament and courts and all the other nonsense to be able to trade with each other

YET!!!!!

are you for rel eu legislation has been handed down to the uk for 4 decades, want some ISBN numbers of law books for confirmation???

We don't.

It's just this little thing, don't know if you heard of it, it's called WWII. And after that, the European governments decided it might be cool to have something a little bit stronger than a simple free trade zone. Something that makes all the european countries allies. So be stronger together.

Well of course as most countries act like UK and don't give a shit about others, EU doesn't work.
France is the only country which really tried to get things together. We gave out money, ressources, our army.

Meanwhile UK kept renegotiating everything, Luxembourg and Ireland are plain parasites stealers we should nuke, Germany doesn't want to work with anyone, and Eastern Europe countries are plain dictatorship.

Logically EU is a failure. France should leave EU and annex whole Europe. Easy say, easy done.

seems many were confused by the truth "billboards" discussion regarding personage here ;)...

It IS truth... and the legal cult, operating as the "law society", a private society are deceptive and malicious. The people however, as with all "organisations" including nation corporations or otherwise are compartmentalized; no-one lower down researches anything, and so are probably unaware or incapable of grasping the fraud.

Here are some posts that show you (fairly concisely) why the legal definitions, acts, statutes or written "law"... doesn't matter

https://www.facebook.com/notes/anicca-anatta/legal-name-fraud-billboard-confusion-what-is-it-all-about-glossacourt-all-legal-/303059476694584

Look. If you are "with," it could mean anything. But if you are "against," it means you want to cuddle.

 ;D

UK is already feeling the effects of that manipulated referendum. House prices going down, people losing jobs.. it will get much worse if they won't sober the fuck up and either do another referendum or back the fuck out and try act like it never happened.


Just look at dumb chick who voted "out of the UK refeyendum" lol It's people like that who voted out of EU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX5ToD6z1OU

The media covered it in such way people didn't even know what they are getting themselves in to. The main reason why UK people voted out of EU (and only older people went to vote, young generation could not be bothered) is because of slogans and media coverage like "vote for brexit! UK without immigrants" WTF? It's thanks to those fucking immigrants UK economy is where it'a at. Brits will not work for minimum wage, Brits will not work in shit jobs, but immigrants will. Brits rather claim benefits, stay home in front of their tv's and munch on chicken and chips.    

What the UK did is the best. Why? if they wait any longer to do it, the crash will come anyway, later. The longer they wait, the worse it will be.

8)

Best for who? Did you know over 5 million people asking for another referendum so they can change their vote?

The banking Ponzi is bad for everyone. The longer it lasts, the worse it will be when it crashes. Both ways there will be a crash. So, crash it now, before it gets to the point of being a worse crash.

8)

in the case of brexit, the City's banking ponzi will be freewheeling. great profit ahead.

You confuse the parasites with marketplaces...In my country the german supermarkets made over  4 billion Euro, and guess what, all the money goes in Germany. Do you want to talk about resources ( natural resources) ...
The UK's people did what was correct for their country and nation.

We are out and staying out DICK BRAIN ;D..House prices will go down..PERFECT..Now our children have a chance to buy a house now instead of some immigrant paying way over the odds for a shitty 1 bed flat that cost 1 million when really it should be worth 70k for the flat..

You know fuck all  ;D ;D..Stupid fuck soon the people with a million pounds will be the poor if it carries on..
And price of food will go up BULLSHIT..FUCKING E.U is destroying food to keep the price up..Who gives a fuck what shape and size a carrot is as long as it taste good..And also the food as gone shit because of the E.U. Tasteless fruit and veg never ripe..

What price will a 3 bed house be in 20 years?..So what job will the children of tomorrow need to buy a house?..

1980.. 3 bed council house my auntie payed 3 thousand pounds for her 3 bed house and sold it for 95k..
So how high can a 3 bed council house go for in 20 years..Now consider that council homes are for people to buy on low wages..
Like factory car worker or a Bin man or postman ..Now in this day and age you need to be a doctor to buy a 3 bed council house..
So in 20 years you will need to have a million pounds to buy a council house..?..

All you people who wanted to stay GO AND FUCK YOURSELVES YOU THICK FUCKERS..

If the E.U so good why France doing shit Greece Italy Portugal Poland Spain all FUCKED..

Oh i know we British will flood our lands with immigrants and use the tax to give to other countries while we British get our budget slashed in half..
Half less in our area's to pay for police and so on..But London got more police the London streets get cleaned for all the tourist..
So what pinch did London feel..FUCK ALL ..
Now Scotland.. Why does Scotland get free uni but my child has to pay?..
So London and Scotland WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU LOOSE?..

How much money got spent on EU politicians every year who we never voted for..

European Parliament costs £1.3 billion per year, shared by taxpayers across member countries
Now 1.3 billion to pay MEPs FUCKING RIP OFF..

Now why not just have 1 elected mp from each country and visit each others countries to discuss
about the EU..Each country has buildings to chat shit in..Why all these new buildings with shopping malls for the MEPs to shop in and no one else is allowed in the shops..

See i just saved 1.3 billion a year.. ;) ;) No need for EU buildings just send 1 person from your country who as been elected by your people to discuss EU matters..

So 1 year the EU discusses matters in Italy then next year Spain and so on..
See i just saved 1.3 billion...The EU is a rip off to your average Joe..
This why you lost the vote to many average Joe's out vote the rich and always will unless you spread the wealth about and stop making your so called little England PAKISTAN  ;D..

THANK FUCK WE ARE OUT ;D ;D..

Except we aren't yet.  Article 50 still hasn't been triggered.  If you're basing your opinion on what's happened since the referendum and thinking we'll be fine outside of Europe, you've been doing it wrong.  As of right now, we are still very much a member of the EU.  We'll all have to wait and see what happens once we actually leave.

Good point sir ;D..But when we do get out all will be good..Also if not triggered by early 2017
then UKIP will be the next labour party 100% this will happen they will win the next election..

Also Mrs may will lead us out if she wont she will loose next election ;D..
WE ARE BRITISH WE CAN DO ANYTHING ..WE ARE TO SMART OF A NATION TO FAIL..

Little BRITAIAN :D :D :D..

1
United States
26      21      23      70   
2
Great Britain
15      16      8      39   
3
China
15      14      17      46   
4
Russia
9      11      10      30   
5
Germany
8      5      4      17   

Second in the GOLD MEDALS TABLE..So little Britain must make all the rest look even smaller..
except for the USA..But we are family USA and UK will always be family ALWAYS..

REMEMBER THIS..UK IS THE GREATEST..

Fingers crossed she pulls us out very soon.. I knew it be next year sometime..

But your right we are not out yet..And if we don't get out.. nigel farage will be back and he will win next election..
Just an Australian point system that's all we ask for ;D..
There is people who are here who should not be here..
And there is people who should be here who are not here..

Just a thought. Sure we fought the Germans in WW1 and WW2. But the English and the French are essentially some run-away Germans who started new nations. And the USA at the time of its inception back in the late 1700s, voted as to which language was to be the official language of the nation. English won over German by just one vote. We are all little children, quarreling among ourselves.

8)

I AM BRITISH  >:( NOT GERMAN :D :D..
America is British AKA ENGLISH...You need to do your history ;D..
Britain was USA motherland America is Britain..Just like Australia is British..
Your people are BRITAIN descendants ;D ;D..

English America, and later British America, refers to the English, and later British territories in the Americas (including Bermuda), Central America, the Caribbean, and Guyana from 1607 to 1783. Formally, the British colonies in North America were known as British America and the British West Indies until 1776, when the Thirteen British Colonies located along the Atlantic seaboard declared their independence and formed the United States of America.[1] After that, British North America (or, simply but not inclusively, Canada) was used to describe the remainder of Britain's continental North American possessions. The term "British North America" was first used informally in 1783, but it was uncommon before the Report on the Affairs of British North America (1839), called the Durham Report.

British America gained large amounts of new territory following the Treaty of Paris (1763) which ended Britain's involvement in the Seven Years' War. At the start of the American War of Independence in 1775, the British Empire included 20 colonies north and east of New Spain (present-day areas of Mexico and the Western United States). East and West Florida were ceded to Spain in the Treaty of Paris (1783) which ended the American Revolution, and then ceded by Spain to the United States in 1819. All but one of the remaining colonies of British North America apart from the British West Indies united together from 1867 to 1873 forming the Dominion of Canada. Newfoundland joined Canada in 1949.

WE RULED THE WORLD ;) ;)..
All the white in most other countries are BRITISH ;D ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHNfvJc99YY..

If anyone in Brussels had any brainpower, they could easily deny the payments that the UK makes to them (membership fees)
Return any monies and do not accept further payments, OUT it's that simple, rules can be amended at anytime.

The Independent posted this just yesterday:  

Brexit ‘could be delayed until late 2019’ with Whitehall departments not yet ready to trigger Article 50 (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-date-article-50-eu-referendum-result-europe-theresa-may-a7189851.html)

Also, it still strikes me as odd that people on a forum about a borderless, nationless currency can have such strong nationalist tendencies and care so strongly about protecting their borders.  


Is that not kind of a double standard?  It's okay for this country to invade and conquer others, but they aren't allowed to come here to live and work?

Anyone can still come to the uk..
Just we need to know who you are and what you do before we open the door ;D
Not to worry it will get triggered next year or UKIP will win the next election ;D..

One thing that was funny see how many muslims voted out :D :D because they knew white polish will take over there towns :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D..
SO FUNNY :D

Let's just hope everyone will not be so worse off.

You can fuck right off with your savings nonsense no good cunt. when UK finally leaves EU and shit hits the fan then I'll watch you cry like a bitch hating on your won government decisions.     

I called them parasites, because the citizens from these nations were exploiting the welfare payment system in countries such as the United Kingdom and Germany. For example, in the UK there were reports of Polish immigrants claiming child welfare benefits for children residing back home. And there were reports of Romanian Gypsies claiming disability benefits using fraudulent documents.

You call them parasites because you're happy to tar entire nations with the actions of a minority.  It's all prejudice, scapegoats, intolerance and discrimination with you.  It'll be clear to anyone reading your posts who the real parasite is.  As for "exploiting" countries' resources it's a drop in the ocean compared to what British colonialism accomplished, so quit your nimby whining.

I don't think a regular citizen or person in the EU would care that much or anything at all... if you ask me, EU has turned into siht, started ok with the trade freedom but now it went astray...

I support science and technology development. It is probably impossible to think an opposite here, on bitcointalk.org forum.
European Union is a great project, the start for the globalisation, which we can and we should support.
All immigration and other issues, coming from globalisation can be fixed technologically, but not politically.
Traditional politics should give way to technologies.

Ah, I remember this thread.  Not sure if the bump was actually worth it, but since it already happened:


It's laughable that as soon as we trigger leaving, the old guard right-wingers start crawling out of the woodwork (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/gibraltar-michael-howard-got-to-war-with-spain-falklands-brexit-hilarious-never-going-to-happen-a7664536.html), publicly airing their wet dreams and fantasies of a war with Spain (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/02/britain-and-eu-worse-off-without-brexit-deal-says-michael-fallon) over the sovereignty of Gibraltar.  It's pretty much indicative of the mentality of most leavers.  They still genuinely believe Britain is some sort of grand empire that will simply conquer other nations at the drop of a hat.  It's pathetic.


We were stronger together, but now that we aren't, all the nutjobs and crackpots see the chance to voice their insanity in an environment they deem more accommodating toward violence, divisiveness and warmongering.  I suspect this sort of thing is just the tip of a big scary iceberg.  All aboard the fascism train!  Destination: Fucked.

Welcome to the new Great Hate Britain.  

Globalization brings additional opportunities in the cat market expansion, sales and marketing, but at the cost of sovereignty. The UK is not accustomed to obey, and in the EU it is not possible. The migrant crisis has become the last reason for brexit. I believe that the migrants expensive price for the UK.

I think it was bad move. Going there as a refugee will be much harder now

I think that refugees need to be taken only in case if they face prosecution by the state for the opposition to power. In all other cases people should defend their country. Why encourage the traitors?

Please enlighten us as to how you would "defend" from air strikes if you're just an ordinary person?  Take this (https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201703271052011249-us-mosul-airstrike/) particular example (https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201703281052058000-mosul-residents-airstrikes-killed/) from last week in Mosul.  If those people had fled, they may still be alive.  And even if you had survived that, what would you have left materially?  You would need to go somewhere else and start again, so it's understandable that you might want to rebuild your new life somewhere far away from the conflict that just took everything from you.  

Are people on the internet even capable of empathy?  Come to think of it, "people" is probably too generous a word in your case.  You're demonstrating some sub-human tendencies there.  I mean, traitors?  Seriously?  As if loyalty to some arbitrary borders you happen to reside in is somehow a priority considering what some refugees have been through.  These people want to live, you ignorant asshat.

It seems the European Union dictated to the British people about what and what not to do and being once a world super power and also proud nation. They didn't want that any longer. Even the Queen supported Brexit. They made their choices overwhelmingly.

I think it will be the best for the UK to quit from EU. Especially now with all these refuges and all these bad things that happen there, almost every day. They have to be like they were a few years ago, a strong country, who is one of the biggest economies in the world.

The rest of the world could give a shit what happens to the UK and the EU.

I don't live in Europe so I can't tell if anything positive would come out of this but one thing's for certain, EU will make the divorce painful for UK. It seems UK has been a bit skeptical with joining it in the first place anyway, for example they haven't even adopted the euro. Provided that UK manage to renegotiate favorable trade deals I don't really see them being weakened a lot.

The main problem is that parts and territories of the UK wanted to stay in the EU. Scotland for example has aired displeasure at Brexit and could attempt another referendum. Gibraltar (I dunno if they can vote to leave UK) has also expressed desire to stay.

The UK felt they were being governed by Germany when they were in the European Union, and the UK has no love for the Germans at all. look at how Angela Merkel just single handedly allow all the refugees into the country and i know that the UK were strongly against the influx of refugees into the country.

I also think that the decision to let the EU of refugees was not just disastrous for the EU, and it seems to me that this decision was bought by Putin. It's a diversion. I would not be surprised if someday it turns out that Angela Merkel recruited.

Your not British ..Your a half blood   < blame harry potter ;D

The Eu told Spain they can have Gibraltar if they so wish..

The EU BETTER  YES BETTER SHUT IT'S MOUTH >:(..

We will show you our might IF ANY MF PUSHES US ;) >:(..

We British are in no mood for anyone to be spoiling our NEW LEASE OF LIFE ..

We have been set free to sail the world for trade ;D..

It's not about the European people   it's about a gang of European politicians robbing the British..
And about 100 British politicians are all getting back handers from the EU from our taxes..
I.E LINING THERE OWN POCKETS ;)..

Why do we have to pay middle men to trade..The EU bunch of robbing middle men..

The law is made by the country?  So who made the EU BOSS of the people of EUROPE? >:( >:(
Because YOUR NOT MY BOSS AND YOU NEVER WILL BE..

So half blood PACK YOUR BAGS ..You are a disgrace to the British people ;D.

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Unlike Germany, Hungary and some other countries are introducing stricter plans for refugees. It turns out that someone gets it, but Germany does not. Perhaps this is really a plan to put Europe on its knees.

The EU immigrants are only around 2% or 3% of the British population. But they are behind the vast majority of the incidents of welfare fraud in the United Kingdom (especially those from Romania and Poland). So it is very appropriate to call them parasites.

All of the country when it was part of the Soviet sphere of influence. The heavy legacy of the past. For me this is another confirmation of the advantages of Western civilization over Eastern. The economy now I do not take into account.

To to user that said that the EU is another german reich, a fourth reich - really? That's the best idea you've come up with? Jesus. Look at all the benefits: a single type on money - the euro, open borders.  A new reich? Unbelievable.
The UK thought it was too much work and chickened out.

In my opinion, it's meaningless question really.
UK citizens already decided in a referendum to leave the EU.
Politicians can't change this decision any more.
The only key issue now is the future political and economic agreement between UK and EU.
It remains to be seen if politicians will come to an agreement that the UK remains part of the common European market.
All other issues are secondary and less important.
UK will not return to the EU, and it's pointless to waste time on such discussions.

The eu is working out great for the Greek, Italian and French economies lol.

Single currency great - if all economies are equal but in the real world there is too much disparity.

Chicken out? The Greeks bottled it, the UK is the first to stand up and say enough is enough.  Others will soon follow.

The EU was HITLER'S idea...
www.express.co.uk › News › World
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And to the EU  You show the BRITISH PEOPLE  what we owe you ..

Show us every penny we owe and who we owe it too ..
We want every penny wrote down so i can do an AUDIT..
EVERY PENNY WE OWE..

You put online what we owe and who to.  
Plus why do we owe it and who give the order to these BILLS..

I want EVERY PENNY wrote down SO I CAN DO THIS AUDIT.

Can you please say how much we owe and why we owe it and who give the order to spend that amount..

If we the British find loads has gone missing..I.E MY TAXES because of the EU ..
We will pay you nothing ;)..

Don't mess with POPCORN1 when it comes to NUMBERS..
I look and my head goes fuzzy if something wrong..RAIN MAN :D

Plenty off robbing devs have tried to rob me BUT failed..

You see i am very very angry  That you demand 50 billion and then 32 billion more..
TOTAL taking the PISS..

The EU needs to come up with receipts .
And you must also give us the names of the person who agreed to pay the EU these bills.

Example..
The EU said to the British you have bought this..

So we want to know what we bought and who agreed to the ITEM and how much did it cost..

See the EU might still owe us loads in ASSETS ..
If we British have paid for a road in Poland ..Then the polish government owe the UK road tax ;)..

And the same goes for every country we paid for..

And if you start a war..The leaders will come with us TOO ;)  A PROMISE..You started it ;)..

You don't think the little people are just going to die do YOU..
CAPTAIN ALWAYS SINKS WITH HIS SHIP..IT'S THE LAW..


So brace yourselves EU CAPTAINS..We are READY FOR WAR >:( >:(..

You will not push us no more..
EU NO MORE TAKING THE PISS..

We are ready for war..REAL WAR >:( >:(..

I am all for paying the bill..But i want an audit on the bills..
And pensions 28 countries all club together to pay the pensions..

So give us the bills because if the sums don't add up and the person names by it I..
They are in a lot of trouble for FRAUD ..

So if i was you if you have any brains..Because we all know some shady dealings going on?..

I would keep your mouths shut..
Because you will sink some robbing politicians..
.
If this is the chess board you want to set EU the British are ready to smash it down..
And start again..

Corruption costs EU 'up to €990 billion a year' – POLITICO
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22 Mar 2016 - The EU has a corruption problem that could cost it up to €990 billion a year, according to a study commissioned by the European Parliament .
I am NO SLAVE..I work you take my taxes for un elected politicians I.E people i know nothing about..
                  

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The European people never agreed to be ruled by un elected RULERS..
WHO MADE YOU THE BOSS ;)..

Why do we need OLD THINKERS with backward ideas to tell the Europeans how to live?..

We have the INTERNET ..We can speak to anyone in any part of the world..
it's called  INTERNET  TOGETHERNESS ..

You Old thinkers with your shitty religion and your backward protection money ideas.

Who give you the right to say to the EUROPEAN people    
if you want to trade with another country we want money.. WHO ARE YOU.
Tony blair put you up to this ?..

I believe he wanted to be a EU president  ..  < VOMIT  

I forgot to mention ..

To the British government we need to know how much the EU as spent on the UK..

Example..

If we give them 10 billion a year ..WHAT DO WE GET BACK..

Because if we pay 10 billion and we get back 5 billion  ..YOU ARE NOT GETTING 1 PENNY..

No gangster is telling THE UK we better pay protection money for business ?..

Take your companies and   i wont swear..  and BUZZ OFF..
We can set up new ones in replace of your ones ..

And we can buy of other countries what you once sold to the UK..
We have the buying power THANKS..

THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT < Gee never learn't that in sales?..Plenty of other shops..



 

To the EU if the uk suffer .. Just look who will have nothing .


 United Kingdom    GDP ..2,649.893

 
SPAIN .. GDP 1,252.163 if we suffer no more Spanish holidays or home buying..Spanish collapse  .

 Sweden  GDP  512.748  if we suffer they will go down..

 Belgium GDP 465.248  if we suffer they will go down..

 Denmark  GDP 301.784 will suffer

Holland GDP  769.930  will suffer

Romania  GDP 181.944 will suffer....


Now as a British man I thinks the British have one of the greatest minds on this planet..
Now if your talking about the strongest survive ..Like some CANADIAN SAID

Then i don't see many if any country with minds batter than the UK ..
27 eu countries have better minds than the British ..

You know we have ..Why are you trying so hard to keep us in the EU then.. :D
Maybe because we pay so much ;)..

1970s i lived through ..poor as anything..
Still get a doctor to my home and free milk ..

We are doing so good WE GET NOTHING ???..

First of all i must say that im living in Europe, but im not from United Kingdom. So everything i have to say is my own seeing of things and opinion. If politician of United Kingdom think that there country can survive without EU that that is it. I think that United Kingdom can live and prosper without being part of EU, but im not sure what UK lose with not being part. That area is what makes me wonder. But in general i think its is good, because one country knows what is best for it.

Britain can survive without the EU, but it will have problems with markets for their products. Besides, its goods will need customs clearance at import into the EU. This will automatically raise his value. I'm sure the British will be worse off.

I'm sure the British will be worse off :D ..

We run a massive trade deficit with the EU (but a surplus with the rest of the world). On the day we left, we’d become the EU’s single biggest market, accounting for 21 per cent of its exports – more than its second and third largest markets (the US and Japan) combined.


Now who will suffer more ;)..No we don't anything from the EU ;D..

I think the EU would suffer so much that the EU will be finished..

The world puts a suit on because of the BRITISH ;)..
WE ARE BUSINESS..

Please i want this now i want to prove to the world the EU will be nothing because of the uk..
If you be funny in trade we will see who wins..

And CANADA the last time i remember that is our country with france ;)..

The UK and FRANCE own Canada..And always will.. ;)

So imagine the uk    we have no cheap resources  we would just go and take CANADA BACK ;)..

12 million french Canadian a guess..
12 million English Canadian a guess..

So to the Canadian on the TV who said the STRONGEST SURVIVE..
In other words The uk has nothing to offer the world :D..
says the hill billy Canadian..

We will see who is the strongest when we come to take CANADA BACK.. ;)

You have your life because of France and the British..

CANADA CALLING US NOW ???..Is it the Elite who put him up to it?..

WE ARE LEAVING WE WANT OUT ....OR A WORLD WAR..

I will VOTE UKIP  AND SO WILL 17 MILLION PEOPLE IF WE DON'T LEAVE..

We will smash the election with our VOTES..

The only way the EU will get me jealous is if they give everyone in the EU free University ..
and a universal income..

Otherwise i will never be jealous of leaving the EU..

 CANADA ..population.       35,151,728, Million

UK..population   65.1 million in 

My cousins    australia  population 23.13 million..

Now imagine the BRITISH BEING HUNGRY?..
You think we wont go to war and take what we want..

YES IT BECOMES THE STRONGEST SURVIVE..

And how many CANADIANS who will do anything to be in touch with the UK?..

WE would have about 5 million loyal British to cause havoc in CANADA..

WE would EAT YOU ALIVE..

And OUR TECHNOLOGY IS WAY BETTER THAN CANADA ..

SO next time Canadian DON'T YOU EVER THREATEN US BRITISH YOU DUMB ASS ..

I have no doubt that the European Union is the fourth reich. If you look closely at the EU policies, then you will understand what I am saying. Only Germany is having a role in making the decisions and policies. The other nations, such as France and Italy are left in the sidelines.

I'm totally with it and I think more countries should follow suit. Europe is the old country, inhabited for many generations by people trying to advance the world. At one point we lost forward momentum, it was when a couple politicians became hypnotysed by their salaries and forget everything else, literally.

It happened in the financial world a couple years back, turned into a bloodbath!

What does it matter?

In democracy, the people, the voters and tax payers are the sovereign. Not some self-appointed activists, tyrants or oligarchs. If british people wish to leave the Euro-Soyuz, then it is their right to do so. Afterall it is them who will reap benefits and drawbacks of decision, not us.

Just my two cents.

I completely agree with you. Once the people make their decision, then it should be final. On the aftermath of the referendum results, there were calls from liberal lobbyists to conduct the referendum once more, so that the decision could be reversed. What sort of logic is this? If you lose an election, what are you going to do? Demand a re-election until you will be declared victorious?

I do not think the UK has ever really wanted to be part of the EU, because it has other purposes. The problem of immigrants in the EU has become increasingly serious, so the British have used this to ask Brexit. The UK out of the EU pulls an alarm signal. The countries have joined the EU by relying on this union, but this step by the British is a proof of the weaknesses of the European Union.

huh? arent "the people" who decide? what would be the problem with a 2nd referendum? if people want to leave they will still vote leave.

majority rules.

I am not against the Brexit, I am against the way they exit. They simply wnet out maintaining all good things from Europe. They were special from the beginning and this was such a stupid move for them

Perhaps because it stinks of keep voting until we get the result we want.

Why not a 3rd, 4th, 5th referendum.

I consider that if you want to be member of an organization then you must know the rules inside so regarding UK i would say that they have the bad impression that they have something more then the rest of Europeans, perhaps they have.. the 5 a clock tee. Still i don't like to say this but at present time i don't have a good opinion about the UK politics.

The thing we have more of than most EU countries is money.

Which is why we were a net contributor and paid in far more than we got back out.

Hope you enjoy plugging the big hole left and funding your Merkel sanctioned immigrant influx.

They can leave since their mindset is kinda different..Brexit gonna change world 🌍 history

Brexit is going to open the door for radical changes in world 🌍 politics. I'm in full support

The problem is that we are not supposed to repeat the referendum every two weeks. The people had a chance to vote on the EU membership of the United Kingdom, and the overwhelming majority voted to leave. If they want, they can have another referendum after 5 years or 10 years. But definitely not another one in the next 1-2 years.

I don't know how you do things in Germany but in the UK 1 vote and who ever wins wins ;D..
Brexit won so we the UK are out..

How we leave that's up to the EU to decide if they want to be good friend with the UK meaning you don't bully your friends for monies ;D..

So free trade with no tariffs and yes we want special treatment because we are special ;D :D..

And also MR criptix you have plenty of BTC so you pay for the EU :D..

With the UK leaving the EU the European peoples thinks we hate them :D..WRONG.. ;)

I know and so do 17.5 million Brexiters that you cannot put 100 people in 2 homes meaning we cannot cope with an underfunded system and expect more to fill it up..

So we need controlled immigration 1 reason to leave ..

2nd reason to leave we pay 10 billion and get 5 billion back from the EU..

3rd reason to leave look the way they are telling countries like polland hungary and soon every country in the EU what to do and how to live ..
AND YOUR LIFE WILL BE SWEDEN ..RAPE RAPE ACID ACID BOMBS BOMBS..
                                                                       ^^
                                                     The EU invited immigrants
                                              you have no choice to live amongst

4th reason to leave i don't like my own politicians because they are all lying SCUM BAGS so why would i have un elected politicians i know nothing about in another land tell me what to do and how to live and the worst is i cannot get rid of them  >:( >:(..

My politicians i can not vote them in and bye they are gone..NOT IN THE EU >:( >:(..

UN ELECTED   BUMS  who use my taxes for a free ride.. >:( >:(

So the soon as we get rid of the EU gangsters the better we can all trade with each other without a
gang of EU POLITICAL BUMS GETTING MONIES..

You lot been taking a quarter of my life to pay for your political family to have a good life ..
NO MORE ;) :D..

To many politicians talking shit and doing nothing but lining your own pockets..

YOU ALL TALK BULLSHIT..POLITICAL BUMS ;) ;)..Go work on a building site ;D.
You wouldn't last 5 seconds..

I will admit some politicians have good intentions BUT

 

I agree with you, the country and its queen know what is best for them, of course they won't suffer from secession, and can the European Union suffer?

Pretty old thread, but yeah i think it's good the UK is leaving the EU.

The trade bloc started out all right in the beginning, but now it's turned in to some kind of monolithic, unlelected, lobbyist, corporate entity which acts all sanctimonious, but really just plunders nation states to feed it's elites and corporations.

I think within 10 years many will be leaving and the EU will disband.

Its very good that they left, because Angela Merkel was dictating a lot of terms for them and they were gradually losing their sovereignty in the EU. And we all know how proud the British people are and they wouldn't  let that stand at all and thats why they left and i think it was a good idea they left.

Angela Merkel has lost some of her power after the federal elections in Germany (especially after the rise of the anti-EU AfD). The Austrian general elections dealt her another blow, as the anti-EU FPO is one of the coalition partners in the government there. Sebastian Kurz has already said that he is not going to follow the EU rules on refugee admissions.

I'm in the Asean and that decision of U.K is really damaging the world economy and it's effected directly to ASEAN economy so the answer is no , i don't support U.K

i against the "the U.K. quits the European Union" because is has many effective impacts on the economic growth. In fact, many people lost their jobs after the Uk quits the european union and they still regret the decision they make to quit the Union.

I love the UK, but we need to remember we are europeans too and should try to stay with our neighbours. Brexit is very bad for the UK IMHO. Rather we should be closer friends to countries like Germany, Holland, Norway, Sweden etc. Sure there is too much immigration into the UK from eastern europe, but quitting the EU is not a smart move. David Caeron was an idiot for allowing the people to vote on this referendum.

The Brexit will be having an effect on the British economy, but not on the world economy. The reason is that the United Kingdom is no longer a major economic super-power. I will give you one evidence to support my claim. After the Brexit, the exchange rates of the United Kingdom Pound dropped by almost 30%, but none of the other European or World currencies were affected.

YOUR ALL LIARS ;) :D..Bad for the uk ::)..

EU predicts eurozone boom but UK gloom in pessimistic forecasts
www.telegraph.co.uk/.../eu-predicts-eurozone-boom-uk-gloom-pessimistic-forecasts/
10 Nov 2017 - The eurozone economies will surge ahead, while the UK will grow only as fast as continental laggard Italy - according to the European Commission's forecasts. ... EU predicts eurozone boom but UK gloom in pessimistic forecasts. Italy and the UK, led by ... 10 November 2017 • 11:29am. The eurozone ...

Manufacturing growth at 30-year high as UK factories capitalise on ...
www.telegraph.co.uk/.../manufacturing-growth-30-year-high-uk-factories-capitalise-e...
19 Dec 2017 - 19 December 2017 • 12:01am. Britain's factories are benefitting from an export boom as the weak pound and demand from the strong eurozone economies leave manufacturers with the biggest order books since 1988. Output is surging as a result making manufacturing a strong point in the UK's relatively ..

JUST LIKE I ALWAYS SAID..^^ ;D..

London stock market hits record high but bitcoin wobbles - as it ...
https://www.theguardian.com › Business › Stock markets
4 days ago - FTSE 250 hits new record high. Boom! Britain's FTSE 250 index, which contains medium-sized companies too small for the FTSE 100, has hit a new alltime high. The FTSE 250 has gained 59 points to 20,540 this morning, putting it ahead of the previous record high set on 22 December. The FTSE 250 over ..

AND IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP :D :D ;D ;D ;D WHY Because the middlemen are bullshit ;)..

It's the age of the 21st century and the real space age is coming

No more saying we cannot  YES WE CAN and no it was BOB THE BUILDER who said it ;)..

Euro to British Pound Spot Exchange Rates for 2009 from the Bank of ...
https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/bank-of-england-spot/.../eur/EUR-to-GBP-2009
Euro to British Pound, 1 EUR = 0.9012 GBP, Thu, 24 Dec 2009. Euro to British Pound, 1 EUR = 0.8974 GBP, Wed, 23 Dec 2009. Euro to British Pound, 1 EUR = 0.8931 GBP, Tue, 22 Dec 2009. Euro to British Pound, 1 EUR = 0.8907 GBP, Mon, 21 Dec 2009. Euro to British Pound, 1 EUR = 0.8876 GBP, Fri, 18 Dec 2009.

DO YOU SEE^^^ 1 EUR = 0.9012 GBP..  <<In 2009 did i hear OH MY LIFE IS OVER :D..

Today rate 1 euro= 0.89 British Pound<<< WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE :D..

You know what it is?..Lordy shit faces wanting their DOUBLE PENSIONS  >:(..
And massive payouts ..

RICHARD KAY: Heseltine's £900,000 EU handout | Daily Mail Online
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/.../RICHARD-KAY-Heseltines-900-000-EU-handout.ht...
11 Mar 2011 - But it is surprising to learn just how much money the former deputy prime minister — one of the richest men in Parliament — receives from EU taxpayers. .... I don't think we should criticise Lord Heseltine for receiving proper payment for his farming activities; he is entitled to that in order to stay in business, ..

EU subsidies: Millions given to UK billionaires while farmers struggle ...
https://www.express.co.uk › News › UK
30 Jun 2017 - Currently, the lion's share of the UK's £3billion in subsidies from the EU goes to basic payments linked to land area, with some environmental ... New Environment Secretary Michael Gove has said Brexit is a chance to get rid of bureaucracy and design a better system of supporting farmers that could better .

It called tricking the IDIOTS ;)..The REMOANERS..

Now free trade or BUZZ OFF :D no paying lordy shit faces no more monies to trade with another country..

They come up with ideas to get a cut out of our labour The LORDY SHIT FACES..And crew ;)