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Just got an email to confirm my order.

People with orders need to confirm within 10 days or their order will be canceled (BFL says they will contact people before canceling orders.)

I got the same email. Wooooot!!!! long time coming! Only reason I'm here now is because BFL's site is down from everyone trying to log in and verify (I'm assuming).

I have a hard time believing that's legal.

I think they will cancel the unpaid orders, i have 3 orders open and 2 of them unpaid because the 15 minutes time limit to pay with BTC was gone.

I paided them with porn and poptarts... I mean I gave them my creditcard, and they allowed me to keep my place for my minirig

I got the email too but their site is offline. 

WHY in the world, after waiting since Oct (for me) and June (for others) would we have to confirm the order, if they have our money.  The email specifically states if you do not confirm they will refund your money.

I'm sure they are just being flooded with people trying to confirm, or they are being DDoS by someone not wanting anyone to be able to confirm.

Nope, they said any unconfirmed orders would be refunded.

Here's a copy of the email I got:
https://i.imgur.com/FUEtWja.png

Who ever confirmed?

They say nothing about 48 hours or that they will contact users in advance of cancelling.

I sure hope no one is on vacation or misses the email.  

I think a better approach would have to allow cancellations and to put a deadline on that.

Just got the email confirmation as well. YAAAY!!!   :D

So much for all the naysayers. Go BFL!

This confirmation business sounds a bit like a cheap trick to be able to fulfill "every order" even though supply and capacity is still very limited. The hardware change is a nifty excuse, for sure.

Read carefully the fine print and think careully before confirming, unfortunately this is not good news

Would you care to elaborate?

Looks like this announcement has successfully crashed the BFL site. I can't log in.

Anyone get the sneaking suspicion that this will turn ugly?

What is now going on with the mini-rig? (That does not exist anymore)?

It looks they are just covering their asses, they use subtle wording to URGE you to confirm ("to get your place in the building and shipping queue") and at the end of the day you confirm you are OK to whatever they ship whenever they ship it (no confirmed specs, you just accept whatever they are, same thing for shipping date)

who confirmed? I do not have the "confirm" in order.

I'm pretty sure it states that orders will be filled to meet the original hashing power that you bought.

they may or may not be "shipping", it is likely they will be shipping "sometime soon".   I would expect that their credit card processor is making them do this as when orders do not ship on time there are regulations about how you have to notify customers and get their approval to keep their order open.

Where the heck do you confirm at?? Mine says "Pending Acceptance" but there's no button or anything to accept the thing. Ridiculous, cc was charged months ago...

They use Paypal, as far as I know they never accepted credit directly.

Same regulations apply.   And, I imagine with a couple people complaining they actually need to start following some rules now.

Yeah, guaranteed hashrate, but no guarantee on power specs or shipping date - right? And you accept that by confirming.

There was never a guarantee on ship date, and even if power doubled it would still be the lowest power ASIC solution by far.

Given that your only alternative is getting a refund, I'd imagine this is the better option if you actually still want your unit.

Most likely the motivation for this "update" email is that they are being threatened with impounds.   You either show that people are aware of constant delays in your shipping or we will hold $XXX to make sure we have enough if people ask us for refunds --   this is a common practice with paypal.
I imagine when you are only shipping jallies that cost you almost as much as you charged for them, that you really would want to keep the cash flowing in and not get impounded by your processor.

I confirmed,,,, I confirmed..  8)

Probably.  But as I said above, if you still want your unit you really don't have much of a choice.

Given this and given Avalon's failure on delivering on time, I think this is my last foray into buying anything from anyone unless they ship same day (like friedcat does).    Otherwise, I am just an investor in someone else's profit with no ownership and taking all the risk for them.

We are doing this to be sure everyone is aware of the power issue (and to a lesser extent the size issue re Jalapeno/Single) with the product and accepts the changed specs.  If not, we will happily refund your money, since you may have ordered a product with different specs than what we are forced to send. 

Awesome news looking forward to repeat business.

Kudos Josh.   Well written and a great explanation. 

I received this email and, although I do own one Single, I do not have a pre-order.  Did you send these to all previous customers as a combination of both the shipping announcement and the need to confirm for those who have pre-orders?

Regardless, best of luck with this roll-out.  As I stated above, I don't currently have any BFL hardware on pre-order, but will definitely keep an eye on progress going forward. IMO, Bitcoin badly needs competition in the ASIC space and hope you ramp up shipping quickly.

Ok, Can you tell us more about how to confirm the order?
Thanks.

How? I got the same email but my BFL account has no "confirm feature" that I could find....

Please enlighten me/us

rigs have same hash power but bigger case and powered by the wall. i confirmed. guess we shall seeee.

Got the email... power issue doesn't bother me, can't wait  :D

To confirm you just have to accept the box that pops up telling you about the "power issues" (i.e. plug into wall as opposed to USB).  May be only for Jalapenos don't know about the others.

Yay I confirmed. xD  Anyone have a clue when a late March order might arrive?  They're now saying that if you order today, it'll take two months, which is quicker than I was expecting.

Wait, why am I even asking about shipping guesses?  This is BFL... ;p

lol ya who cares about power gimme those hashes now plz.  .081$ per kwhr here

You will care about power consumption sooner than you think.

ow I pay like $ 0,32 KWH
They changed my express shipping (paid $ 88 for it) to standard shipping. That's like 2 weeks from US to EU. If I upgrade to express shipping it's a freaking $ 800 (2 day delivery)!!!  >:(

And this is what we have been talking about, this is absolutely professional.


Josh, I have hope for you guys ;)

If you now learn how to be tough on your customers WITHOUT insulting them, you could make a decent leader...

I had paid on April for the new 5GHs units for 274$ and i dont have any email, I supose this email is only for the Jalapenos orders.

Because BFL screwed up power consumption (ASICS need about 5x more power than planned/guessed/hoped) they need bigger casings. Bigger casings means higher shipping costs.

So you get your units later (original shipping was scheduled for October 2012), with less performance, and a higher shipping price.

Thank you, BFL. Not.

so if i order today, when i will receive mine?
ok this, kinda answered my post

LOL!! All of you people and your recent orders, I've been on order since July 2012.

Bullshit. As an online retailer myself, I'm pretty confident in telling you that this almost certainly has nothing to do with the size, and everything to do with international shipping. The price quoted for express shipping is for CONUS. There's not a shipping company in the world that will do overnight U.S. to Europe for $88. Lots of retail systems will approve a flat shipping rate intended to one region without verifying that the item is actually shipping to that region. It takes a human with some common goddamn sense to look at it and go "Yeah, Europe isn't in the CONUS," and adjust the order.

It takes a special kind of retard to assume that a moderately larger item (in roughly the same size box and weight) is going to cost 10x as much. Overnight shipping to Europe was NEVER available for $88. It was a system glitch, that was caught by an actual person processing orders.

Got my email...am OK with the Jalapeño needing a power supply, as it makes any USB power concerns moot.  My only concern is how long it'll take them to get to late-August orders like mine.  ;D

I ordered a 5ghz miner in April, got the email this morning about confirming, but nothing pops for me to confirm..presume its the Jalepeno issue mentioned above...would love to find out for sure though!

     How to confirm an account? I do not see anywhere button YES / NO. You may send a text message reply?

what april, 2012?

Once you create an account (if you havent already) and log in, there is a pop up where you can either accept, or request a refund.

  I see a "print order / reorder." What exactly does it say? Thank you.

When you log in, it should be a pop up that wont let you continue until  you either acccept, or refund.  You account should say "processing"  If it doesnt, or you are concerned about your status, drop a message to their support and confirm your status.

I ordered back in July and August when there were no accounts on BFL..or at least I didn't have to create one. So I created an account last night using the same email address as my orders and obviously there are no open orders in my account so i'm not sure how to verify. I sent them an email and opened a ticket but i'm sure they're pretty swamped right about now so who knows how long that will take to get back to me. Anyone else in this situation that knows what else to do? I'm sure the answer is "be patient and do what they tell you to do" but I'm freaking out here. It's been so long. I needs my ASIC fix. Daddy's sick, baby.


***update***Jody sorted me out via email. If anyone else is in the same position make sure you're using the same email address you ordered with. The first account I had created was using an alias email address, not the proper full version that is my reply to address.

Ha! No, April 13! :-) Thankfully I haven't been waiting that long. It says my order is processing so guess I'm ok.

Stop spreading FUD. I don't know where you read that but Josh has clearly stated that the timeframe is 10 days.

If you ordered the new units, theres nothing to confirm. This is only for the pre-change units.

You're right.  I ordered the 30GH/s little single on 4/2 and did not have to confirm and status is processing.

tb

FUD?

There's no FUD in what I wrote.  I don't remember where I saw it and it may be inaccurate, but it's certainly not FUD.

Today i have a popup when i go to my account that tell me "You dont have to confirm nothing your, order is processing"

Wow, they need to grammar check that shit.

I do believe it depends on when you ordered.  Yesterday when I logged in, my pop up said "Your order has been confirmed, thank you".  Then again I ordered back in July 2012.  So if you placed orders after they announced the power issues, then you should be okay.  Its only the people who ordered before who thought they were getting a low watt solution.

Thank you for this "mierda" se que tengo una gramática de mierda en inglés pero... ¿usted entendió el mensaje? veo que hay otras personas que si, se puede hablar con respeto o se puede hablar con "mierda" en la boca.

Ahora si quiere seguimos en castellano a ver como es su gramática.

some proof of shipment?

That would stink if you don't check your email for a day or two and miss your order.

Yeah, I check two days ago and didn't get any popups with status as processing.  So all is well right?  WRONG!  I logged on just now and got the popup to accept or refund options.  So keep checking back for that pop up screen.   >:(

Wonder how much bigger is the box now...  

http://googlevoice.com/images/bfl-confirmation-notice.png


After accepting, status shows as "Pending acceptance".

tb

I have confirmed my order. After several hours i logged in and saw "You have successfully confirmed your order" popup. The status is "Processing".

That form does not tell you how much power the shipping devices actually draw. Last I heard, they have up to 50% more power consumption than expected. However, in this thread people are saying the power consumption is 5x (400% higher) than expected. Without a link for more information, that pop-up does not apear to give enough information to make a decision.

Incidentally pop-ups probably wouldn't work for me since I don't use JavaScript. I just sent the an e-mail in the last few days asking if it was possible to order an actual shipping product. Everything on their product page appears to be available only for pre-ordering. I was hoping to order single once I get my bitcoin node up (securing Business-class Internet took 6 months).

I wonder how much the diffculty will jump >.>

De nada, senor.  De nada.

I'm glad i read this. i can't wait to get my orders.

Anyone else wonder why Josh/BFL hasn't updated their ASIC Status thread on their forums yet? https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html)

You'd think with all of their delays they'd be shouting this from the rooftops.

I accepted the changes knowing I will have this unit running where electricity is included in the maintenance fee and I want it sooner than later.   :P

tb

Hahaha, of course, there will be a couple "proofs", pushing a bit more people to "pre-order", until they consider the scam climax has been reached and they disappear. :)

Don't worry, there's an update coming in the "next day or two". You can count on Josh to always follow through on what he says!

Josh by name, josh by nature.  ;D

With reputable companies, "shipping now" means if you order now, you'll get your merchandise pretty soon. "Shipping now" to BLF means that if you order now, you only have to wait another year before you get what you ordered.

Pass.

Wait what? I thought it was just the jalapenos that had been confirmed to be shipping out, not the little single 30gH/s miners? A lot of conflicting information here! Could someone clarify this, please? :)

exactly sir

SHould i order one if it ships in july thats not bad.

BFL is proof that you can step on your customers and they will thank you graciously.

I would ask myself what guarantee BFL offer if they fail to ship in July. I think you'll find they don't offer anything; I've never heard of such a thing from them. Then I'd ask myself if I did order today, when are they likely to ship? If you do some research on that, you'll find that other people have done the same exercise and come up with some surprising predictions, that to my knowledge BFL have made no attempt to disprove.

At this stage a day or two of research will help you make an informed decision. If you don't really care and you just wanna get rich quick just order something in a hurry and let the fun begin.

Good luck.

As far as anyone knows outside of BFL, they have only shipped a handful of jalapeños. Like so few they could fit on a folding card table. And those have gone to developers or journalists. In order to achieve a hashrate of 5ghs they have to put 2 chips in instead of 1, as the chips did not meet specifications. This means that if they want to ship jalas, they have to halve their chip yield on the chips they have on hand, or wait for the next batch of chips and hope they hit the specs. All this will take time.

No ordinary paying customer claims to have a filled order, as far as I know. Nothing in the language BFL have used claims they are shipping little singles yet, so I would assume they haven't.

Representatives of BFL do frequent this site and can quickly contradict me if I'm wrong.

Does anyone know the date that the Jalapeno's were first being ordered? I see some on Ebay with order dates and wonder which are the earlier ones as once you get yours later on and the faster units come out, you will be at a loss imo.

Also, anyone know if these will run on a Mac?

Thx,
IAS

Man, i love to see the title of this topic, "BFL is shipping"

It sounds like Jesus Christ is coming to visit you

But no, I really do not expect my units to arrive anytime soon - I would be really surprised if they arrive this year. I'm the only one with this feeling?

I think I just assume that ordering from BFL is a gamble that I lost big time, I accept it and I move on.

A desirable characteristic of a BFL customer is faith. When they tell you "in a week or two" it's best to take it on faith.

Delivery depends on when you ordered. Best-case scenario is they start shipping mid-May. They are estimated to have about 20,000 paid non-cancelled orders. If we suppose a mean of 2 pieces per real order, that's 40,000 pieces total. They have publicly claimed their production line can produce 400 pieces per day, 5 days a week, so 2000 pieces per week. Let's take that on "faith" and assume it will take them 20 weeks to clear the backlog. So an order placed today would ship in October at the earliest. But that's the best-case scenario.

What if the revision of the chips and singles boards that they're testing at the moment isn't good enough with respect to power consumption, error rate and stability? They have to fault-find, change the design, and get new revisions done. Then test again. Every iteration of that cycle probably takes 3-4 weeks. It probably also exhausts their engineers as much has to get done in a short space of time. Doing repeat iterations of that process is stressful.

So if you ordered in June last year, you have an outside chance of getting a real unit this month. If you ordered in April, you are an outside chance for October. Add a month for every revision of chips and boards they have to go through.

Form your own opinion of what it says about the ethics of BFL when they claim in their FAQ that orders placed today will ship in July. To me that sounds miraculous.

Again, I know some BFL people read these boards so they are free to provide evidence to contradict anything I've said. Until then, caveat emptor.

It annoys me every time I check the topics on Bitcoin Forum > Bitcoin > Mining
because it is absolutely not true.

can anyone change this title ? or let this topic be burried :> (this is my last post in here)

No the title needs to be changed , that's not true BFL is not shipping.. They "might"  be shipping the ASIC that some special people (like some "famous" bloggers)  ordered months ago but that's all. If you order now  , don't expect to get you thing before next September, so no , i don't call it shipping and that's why i did not order.
By the time you receive your asic the difficulty might already be so high it would be totally  useless

BFL josh update says they have only shipped 35 jalapenos out as of 5/6/2013.  175ghash/s.     And half of that 175ghash/s went to customers, other went to bloggers / promoters.

So the game has changed a little bit:   Avalon Batch #2 should start shipping this month, ASICMINER prices for boards will drop a little bit and they ship ASAP, BFL should start shipping now, however they will ship slowly until end of May/June/July.  Avalon Batch #4 45GH/s should start taking pre-orders this month or next.  I want to note Avalon is late on trade-in orders, Batch #2 shipping and Batch #3 shipping (may 5th).  lets hope they are not as late as BFL LOL

Technically, they are shipping.  Whether you are pleased with the subset of customers to whom their shipping is a different issue entirely.

Stockholm syndrome is very common among BFL customers. Hope you are enjoying your unit, mate. Happy hashing!

They haven't started shipping singles yet.

Can we stop the devolution into pedantry?

Yes, they are technically shipping.

No, they're still not shipping in any meaningful volume, and that's annoying.

Next point?

LOL just LOL  ;D

People thinking about ordering now need to read this part several times over. They arent even close to manufacturing 400 a week yet, that was purely speculation on their part, not likely an accurate estimate.

How are you so optimist? I don't expect my early orders to show up before 2014. And this is based on past history.

My money is on the new Terahash in California...bet they'll ship before pre-order two...maybe before pre-order one fully gets out from BFL.

Good old BFL I'm so glad I didn't fall for this one!

Website?

Shipping new evidence?

mah I think it's still a scam ....

From Butterfly Labs website:

  "Your hosted units will be added to a mining farm and you will be paid out regularly based on their collective output. Currently, the payout is approximately every two days, depending on luck. As difficulty increases, payout times may get longer or the payout threshold may be reduced to bring it back to every 2 days or so.

  Your equipment will be housed in one of three data centers in the Kansas City area (With a 4th coming online in the next 6 months). Each center is guarded by multiple security procedures, including biometric identification, key card access, elevator lock outs and human verification. Fire suppression and notification are present in all datacenters. Redundant power is provided by a generator and for an additional fee can be provided by battery as a UPS.

  Hosted units will be maintained by a BFL representative should a failure occur and replacement/repair is usually conducted the same day. There is no cost for repair/replacement of failed units that are under warranty."


Perhaps this explains where the output of their production mainly headed ... for secret mining farms in Kansas. If we are lucky ordinary folk may start receiving after October when difficulty rates make mining barely worthwhile except for mining farms.  Then the tornado hit and the girl was whisked away from the mining farm into a magical land, met a lion, a tin-man and a scarecrow ... and sought out the Wizard of Asic.

That makes perfect sense. Miners paid the costs of building ASICs for Butterfly Labs. Butterfly Labs will squeeze everything from devices. When it won't be that profitable anymore, Butterfly Labs will ship them to miners. 100% Legal. Nice move, BL, really smart. Applause.

The owner of BFL, is using some TOP class scamming methods.

People don't realise it because they think BFL is a massive company which won't get away with it.

Well, guys I HATE to break it to you, they have got away with a lot.
They have been stalling for MONTHS now.


Come july, I wouldn't be surprised if no one receives anything from them, oh wait I can imagine them sending a email stating they are sorry and will have to stall another couple of months.

If, people receive their items, then I will be glad.
But, they have already did the damage by delaying for months on end.


Anyway, for the people who ordered, I wish you good luck.

That's a good news  ;)

For more information on farming in Kansas, view the official Butterfly Labs FAQ on hosting:

What is "Hosting" and how do I setup my order to be "Heisted" "Hosted"?

http://www.butterflylabs.com/faq/ (http://www.butterflylabs.com/faq/)

WTF HOSTED.

They are just mining bitcoins on our hardware.  Expect them to start shipping in early 2014 after they have finished mining all the coins. 

Agreed. This hosting offer looks really fishy.

Man you should be a correspondant for fox... you left out the paragraph that would otherwise have left this FAQ section unbiased:

https://i.imgur.com/wDXhXPp.png

I just wanna know, when will this train wreck end???  because it seems like its going on FOREVER.

Ship or STFU BFL.

I'll belive it when I see it in someones hands.

http://imgur.com/U5Rlrl5

How's that product working out?

new generation of scam have risen

With all these questions, and all these concerns.  Do we have a Bitcoin miner that's near their Location.  Just go and see.  If I was closer, I'd go get some answers for sure!   ;D

You could , if the people wanted too, have the FBI Fraud Unit take a look at BFL.  Enough request would warrant a investigation into backgrounds / money transfers / legitimacy of the business.

http://www.fbi.gov/scams-safety/fraud/internet_fraud

Just saying.   There's always a way to find answers. 

Play nice now!

Congratulations !! You're a very lucky man.

Hi, may I know your order# ? thank you

yes what is your order number

I know someone whos status changed this week from "processing" to "production".  Looks like he may be one of the lucky few here soon.

Already happened and they didn't see much. Has led to accusations of a dog n pony show.

Butterfly Labs shipped on April 1st. You should be expecting your orders any day now.

Six weeks in the mail?

Bad joke. No one knows when they will ship in quantity.

Fail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MKcLZ_vqbiU
They shipped a couple of those I guess :D

It was 2xxx

Then they're not shipping.

And yes; nobody knows when they will, and yes; it's a very bad joke indeed.

I think I see their issue - they are shipping a few Jalapenos out, but they are probably LOSING MONEY on them. To keep the FBI/LES off their backs they'll keep shipping at a very slow rate. Meantime, try to distract a few people with this mining farm concept (they can just buy and run Avalons there and nobody will know the difference), and keep on eye on prices for plane ticket to Costa Rica...

They don't wanna go to Margaritaville, but it sure beats the big house!

I wish BFL would just start selling batches of chips like Avalon so we could make our own rigs with the freelance work that is already underway with the Avalon chip batches.

I ordered a BFL but all I got was this lousy unicorn.

Did you name it Jalapeno?  ::)

I named it Inaba, of course.

 You are obviously new here, so you would not know that this is actually a really funny joke.

 Butterfly Labs claimed they began shipping out to customers on the evening of Sunday, March 31st, 2013, and ruined the reputation of http://betsofbitco.in/ in the process.

 There is also the matter of an outstanding 1000 BTC lost-bet to charity over Butterfly Labs underestimating their power draw by a factor of five, which is a pretty bad joke in and of itself.

 I would advise you to check the Custom Hardware forums for get more insight on Butterfly Labs, from this community.

Face. Palm.

Apologies, and gratitude. Will try to be more up to speed.


EDIT: Haven't they missed the power by 10x? Didn't Ars or Wired report 50W for the (5W!) Jalapeno?

Place an order now, when can receive？

And use BTC payment, 10 minutes is enough?

If you order now, you might receive something by early 2014. Unlikely before Christmas of this year.

BEL is the number of monthly production now?

Yesterday I try to place an order.

Order No. 58000+.

Really ? I submited a ticket, asking a shipping estimate if I were to order now.
End of july was the answer.

That's like... Mmmmh.... Yeah! 2 months! :D

I don't see how that could be possible given everything we know about Butterfly Labs' progress on this project. Good luck to you.

Order now after 2 months can get?

Not to say that at least 2 months, or even longer?

If you order now, hope for December 2015 :DD
jk, around september/november is what they told me.

So four months is the official line, yet on the preorder page it says 2 still. Then again who would preorder a product almost half a year before it's released. Oh yeah; BFL customers.

Last time i asked was begining of april, they said late august, so I'm assuming.

They don't know themselves at the moment. They just changed the company they're using to package their chips because they were unhappy with the speed and quality.  ;D I think they expect to get different / better service elsewhere  :D

Who knows how long a dodgy, lowest-bidder Chinese fab takes to get a new product off the ground, actually start making it and send the results to the US?

Yeah... 6 months if you're *lucky*  ::)

This is what happens when complete nubs try to start doing business in China.  :-*

I am in China。

after attending the bitcoin conference I have less hope in bfl than ever. AVALON ASIC  are definitely no1 in this field. I was lucky enough to party with yifu. I have nothing but respect for him.

Answer is : In the past. (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1084-if-i-order-now-when-will-i-get-my-order.html)

And yeah, I'll keep posting this until they fix this sticky post full of lies.

And what can you tell us huangxin - I for one am interested to listen

Wow this is still going on...lol So guys when do you call a spade a spade? I'm glad i have my money in my pocket ;-)

will you still be 'lolling' when people are posting 'I have my asic' and you refunded and spent your cash on crap?

[EDIT] I decided to 'gamble' on a BFL asic - I still think it's a decent gamble and I should be able to gamble my own money if I want to - I can't stand all the posters complaining - you shouldn't have 'gambled' if you couldn't afford to lose the money. If you can't afford the 'gamble' - then request a refund - afaik - nobody has been refused a refund.

I'm thinking that it seems like BFL have shipped a few units, even a (very)few units to end customers.

If/when they have their final design ready, I think they can ramp up production pretty fast. There have been talk about 400 units/day, but If they have wafer/board design ready, i think they can go into more of a mass-production scenario pretty fast.

With electronics, the hard and time-consuming part is the design and development. When that is done, production is pretty straight-foreward and it does not take a lot of skill to assemble the parts.

Edit: BTW - one thing that baffles me is why they are offering to exchange the FPGA's and why they just discontinued their FPGA's instead of doing ASIC-development parallel with FPGA production.
But then again - I'm new to the scene.

Sounds like justified crying to me, suck it up big boy like you said you did it to yourself. Possibly the mods could start a "Boo Hoo" thread and move this there.

I am Chinese.

What do you want to hear?

So... BFL started "shipping" weeks ago... How is that we are not flooded by ecstatic posts of Jalapeño users receiving their machines?

Any word about how many units are their "shipping" per day?

Absolutely none at the moment, they shipped around 35 from which most went to devs and media for reviews. Last update on the forum was on the 6th of May stating they should have ~100 chips on the 9th and make few units then and ship, no updates since then.

I requested a refund from them, no response, gone via paypal to retrieve my money so.

Seen a post in here nicely describing the shipping they promise and what the average wait time for the units will be.

at 40000+ orders and them promising 400 units a day that makes 100 days. That makes 3+ months wait time, the thing is it does not appear that they will be able to ship in such quantities for at least another 2-3 months. you'd be better buying bitcoins

Most, but not all went to devs & media

http://imgur.com/U5Rlrl5

Took around 11 months to arrive.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89685.msg2223905#msg2223905

#1776 for 2 jalapenos have a shipment confirmation. They're powering through the Jalapenos.

http://bfl.ptz.ro/
1 guy has it delivered, unless he's some sort of employee.

Am I missing something simple about that site and how someone would confirm their order as shipped? Creating one seems easy enough.

So it seems they are shipping only Jalapenos. Not singles and rigs. No updates from BFL_Josh. :(

What a scam...

Honestly I have no clue, ran into it on the forums today..

That list is actually being update from time to time. I counted about 40 people delivered last time I looked, and of course a whole lot more that never knew about the list.

Now It's been updated. Checked a couple of days ago, and there were just two confirmed deliveried. Now there are quite a few more. Looks like they are consistent with BFL's shipping announcements.

If only that were possible. If I could have had an ASIC delivered to my younger self in 2009 I would have had millions of coins right now.  ;D

You would have had about 11 million coins on an alternate fork and they would be worthless, since nobody else would care about "Bitcoin" as your would be the only one with the coins (ASIC vs CPU miners)

The subsidy of "free" coins is just that - a subsidy to set up the network.  Ultimately the success will depend on the utility of the coin.  I would rather have 1 coin worth $200 USD then 11 million coins worth a novelty idea.

Ah yes the fish that got away, 20/20 hindsite.  I could have had a lot of money too if what I spent over Xmas I put into buying BTC ready for the $266 price peak. Didn't need an ASIC for that one, just a crystal ball.

On http://bfl.ptz.ro/ al orders for jallys were updated at once, (for 2012/06/25 /24 /23) without any exception, so i think the moderator just marked them all as delivered for some reason,
Does not look like it was user input, because some users would have forgotten to update the status

how legit is this site?

I put my order there, that's all I can testify to.

I received the email yesterday to send in my FPGA because my Jally's are almost ready to ship. Order #2473 placed on 6/28/2012.

There is no way for a user to update the site to mark items delivered, i.e. there is no hyperlink on the red 'undelivered' button, so the site must be being updated by the webmaster.

Presumably the webmaster is updating all buyers at once for specific dates once BFL has given delivery advice for specific dates and this has been confirmed on the web by a handful of buyers.

Grats.

If it were me I would have kept the FPGA too.

Go to: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/ .

thx

I would love to but I selected the 8 pack upgrade when that was available.

any threads you guys know about regarding how many ordered vs shipped?
As far as I can tell they have shipped about ~100 jalas and taken over 10000.

It's been a year.
Even if they shipped 100, Production rate does not seem to increase at all.
Late orders are just paying for the early one...
Hmmm... Sounds familiar.

Beware the BFL trolls - they are starting to ship.

http://bfl.ptz.ro/

The troll ignores the money for the /R&D/wafers/plant/equipment just like it came out of thin air. Of course he hasn't considered profit from FPGA sales, investments, or the concept of mining for profit, he just assumes it must be ponzi even though it's pretty obvious from looking at the devices, that BFL make a nice gross profit on each sale.

The troll also would like us to believe that the production rate in April/May 2013 was the same as the 10mnths prior.

Anybody keeping track of the Jala's that are going out into the wild?

2 posts ago

http://bfl.ptz.ro/

Thank you kind sir

This list is definitely not accurate as far as delivered Jally's go. Mine says delivered but it's not.

Did you get a shipping notice?

Just read on the bfl forums that some guy has a 60g bfl order 'shipping' email...

Did he say what it was? Quite a bit of product went out Thursday and Friday according to BFL_Jody.

Here's the email I received....

SgtSpike - he says he has a shipping email for a 60GH/s - http://pastebin.com/zwKJLNQp

He says it has no order details because it's a modified order - he's right at the top of the list for singles... see here http://bfl.ptz.ro/ - looks legit

Have you sent back the FPGA singles?

I'm sending it back Monday, I would have mailed it today but I figured it would just sit around on Sunday so I might as well hash with it all weekend. I'm also getting tracking and delivery confirmation when I send it back, I might get insurance too just to cover all of my bases.

I'd wait for them to ship the ASIC and ship the FPGA back in the box they send it in.  That'd be helpful to the environment and you get to mine until you get to mine double for an evening or two.  It also helps negate fraud.  Just my thought on the subject...I definitely wouldn't send anything back till you have your order in hand.  Considering the faith you've had to put into your order...they should give the customers a little faith in sending back their FPGA devices...postage paid.  Plus it would seem to me you could get much more for your FPGA from ebay...dunno why you'd sell it back.

you get full price for your fpga single by trading it in. would you get that on ebay now that the trade in program is ended?  (may 31 was last trade in date AFAIK).

also you can give a deposit for your FPGA and cross ship . when they get it you get your deposit back (again, AFAIK).

Apparently there is some missmatch between that site and real deliveries. According to BFL most of the orders from 25'th were sent today, and 26/26 will be sent monday. Apparently they make units as fast as they can, but only jalapenos.

Unfortunately the deposit is 20BTC if I recall correctly and I don't have that available.

yup just checked.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/94-sending-fpga-trade-ins.html

20 BTC, like $2500 for a $650 unit. highway robbery. check, right in line for BFL lol. I wonder if they hire people to make this stuff up.

That's what I thought lol. If I knew 100% I would get it back I'd ask for a loan in the lending forum but I fear I would never see it and have to repay it over time.

I guess OP never got his "shipment".  :P

I am the one marking them complete.  I have been using info on the BFL forums from BFL_Jody about what days have been shipped.  The data on the site is 100% guesswork as there is no real way to confirm anything.  If you care to PST me I can mark it delivered/not delivered if needed.

can u post some pics that u got the bfl product in hand?

Thanks jhansen858 - would be easier for me to remember to do this if you maybe added your bitcointalk nick on the web site at the top - so if people have issues they can contact you...

Just saw my first one.  Runlinux who I work with got his in today.  Plugged it in, installed drivers, and BFG Miner picked it up and he was up and running in minutes.  I ordered mine about a month after he did.  Hopefully that means I can get mine by the 4th of July.

When did he order? And when did you order?

He ordered around 6/23/12, I ordered about a month later 7/23/12.

Just got this:

Thank you for your order from Butterfly Labs! Your order (#2350) was shipped via USPS, USPS Priority Mail on 6/3/2013.

I purchase on 6/27/2012

jala?

Well who knows, I might actually see mine before the 4th of July.......

I got my FPGA to the post office this morning, sent it priority with delivery confirmation and insurance. They should receive it by Wednesday so hopefully my shipping email will come soon.

Thanks.

That means that they aren't too far off. If they are into full production, they should be able to pump out hundreds per day.

They will do a massive (500+) shipment just before the infamous anniversary, then a couple days later, offer a "birthday discount" to get more pre-orders.
Or maybe they won't, now that I exposed their plan.  :P

jhansen858, 

Thanks for your arranging data updates on this most helpful website which is invaluable to all BFL customers.

http://bfl.ptz.ro/ (http://bfl.ptz.ro/)

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I am the one marking them complete.  I have been using info on the BFL forums from BFL_Jody about what days have been shipped.  The data on the site is 100% guesswork as there is no real way to confirm anything.  If you care to PST me I can mark it delivered/not delivered if needed.
[/quote]

I submitted my order, but not sure if the website processed it. If not, its the following:

Order 4295
Username Jaywaka2713
Date Paid 07/31/2012
1 Little Single

Also, anyone see how BFL is shipping their chips? Only in batches of 100. I think they should finish the order queue first before shipping other damn chips.

The chips are not shipping for over 3 months, I doubt any wafers for them have even been ordered yet as BFL will be still trying to work out the number to order. Are you suggesting BFL are not going to continue shipping the order queue for more than 3 months until after the bulk sales chips arrive just to annoy customers?

I was unaware they are not shipping for over 3 months. Thank you for clarification.

I'm just happy they are shipping finally.

I got my Jalapenos already!

https://i.imgur.com/BfpqF2J.jpg

chips come 100 days after 1/2 payment is delivered. It isn't the doom and gloom everyone seems to think it is. BFL is just trying to scrape up funds to do larger runs on the chips.

What do you mean scrape up funds, those chips are already paid for by the customer.


What I want to know is why the only members who are getting their shipments are members with only 5-10 posts. And no pictures with the "I GOTS MINES TODAY!!111 N ITZ MININ"


I would also love to have feedback for those who supposedly got their product, are the fans dusty, and do they smell like they've been running. you know that smell that graphic cards have id assume asics would have the same? I mean who could resist not running having millions of dollars worth of pre-orders on products who make their money back in 3 days. $1m a day, seems good enough to run the farm yourself.

What a load of rubbish. The customers paid for a miner, not components, BFL paid for the components and legally own them. BFL are entitled to then sell those components to anyone they choose be it part of a miner or separate, or they could suddenly decide to use different components in the miners,  and you have absolutely no say in it. Stop trying to spread misinformation.

Perhaps BFL can just open their books and show us all we have nothing to worry about. Very good point about the low post positive reports.

Bullshit, the customer paid for their product deciding to ship out chips, vs ship out miners doesn't change anything. The customer paid for those components and legally own them BFL just has possession.

They said they could ship 400 asics daily, where the fuck are they?

It comes in a nice grey box with the BFL logo on it. All contents inside are wrapped nicely and professionally.  So no they do not appear used at all as I can attest to helping one be unboxed and setup yesterday (not mine, but someone else who is a long time member here).

I have seen users who have posted they received theirs who have thousands of posts and are active members on this forum everyday. Its all about if you decided to invest.  You can call BFL and talk to them directly.  They have a publicly available address, you can visit them.

If you join their forums on their website they give you more an enough info and are very forthcoming with it.  As of yesterdays shipping post, they have shipped all Jalapeno orders through July 3 2012.  So if you are someone who didnt get on board until a few months ago, it might take a while.  For me, I have had mine on order since July 23 2012 so at their rate, baring any unforeseen production delays, I am hoping to have mine shipped within the next couple of weeks.

You can see the Bitcoin network total hashing rate, so its not like they could have been hiding them doing work as the totals would be the same.  As more and more asic units are going out, the rates are going up, and so is the difficulty (hence the massive jump today).

They are coming through on their units, just not as fast as originally promised, but for those who held on, you will be rewarded.  Trust me, I was one big skeptic myself, but after seeing one in person, now I am just eagerly awaiting mine.

BFL is a private company, you are not entitled to see their books. No sane private company would do that. If you have some doubts cancel your order and let those people that are happy move up the queue.


You have no idea what you are talking about, the invoice/receipt for the components from the suppliers will say BFL is the legal owner, not you or any other person that placed an order for that miner, and that will stand up in a court of law, in fact it wouldn't even make  it  to court is such a stupid claim. Please cancel your order and let normal people move up the queue.

Awesome, good stuff thanks for the post!

It's not very accurate people are putting bogus orders on it. For example BFL took the ability to order a BitForce Mini Rig SC off their shopping cart early April and there are heaps of orders for it dated after that.

I'm just coming back from a friend's and I have great news!
He's one of the first and most famous members around, and he received his 5 minirigs pre-ordered a year ago today!
Packaging was very professional. A bit too much, to be honest, took us 5 hours to unwrap.

Once all the plastic gone, you have to figure out what to do with those funny (but totally unused, not a single trace of mayonnaise) chips and those nexus 7, but all it takes is a bit of trial and error, and a few hours later, you have the best looking construct ever!

I'd post a picture, but I'm sure it could win one of those new bitcoin awarded photo contest, so we'll keep them secret for now, sorry.

Aaaaaaand literally within the last 2 hours my order has moved into "production" status out of "processing"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v131/Zanatos/jally.jpg

Nice. I only have a year's worth of production to go. I am still excited though and know BFL has had its challenges.

Nice :)

I don't have a problem here, I just made a point. What are you a rep for them? Defending them and giving me advice? I don't want your advice and I wasn't looking to start trouble.

And I'm not saying to see everything, something reasonable so that the firestorm of people who think BFL is stealing their money. Is that fair? There are a lot of scams going on as money is to be made. There is nothing wrong with giving the customers security. I realize they are shipping, maybe 100 orders have been delivered that were ordered 1 year ago. I don't think some customer security is out of line.

They have lots of orders, and now that hardware is pouring in, I guess they are ramping up production/shipping.
Also I guess they have a lot of new orders coming in, now that people see that it's no longer vaporware.

The faster they can make them, the more they can sell etc. Also the race is now on to be the first company to have ASICs on stock and ready to ship to individual consumers.

The small models seem to be coming along fine.

I think BFL should refund the minirig pre-orders, apologize publicly, and launch a new high end model not so ambitious, which is actually possible to build with the chip technology they have. Obviously letting the people who ordered the minirig to be first in line if they want it. It should also be realistically priced, the minirig was way too cheap for the massive amount of ASIC chips it would have needed, and 8,000-10,000 watts worth of power supplies, think 3 phase with all the approvals, country specific issues etc. I was not going to happen.

If I had a minirig order I would have cancelled it months ago, at least when they stopped allowing new orders for it back in April, that would have been a warning bell. I guess some people are just so rich they don't care.

That is great for you but I still dont get why people's jaws arent dropping open.  July 2012.  Shipping June 2013.   How could anyone (me) ever HOPE to receive their 50 Gh/s unit before 2014?  I mean seriously.  thats a ONE YEAR shipping delay.  One year is like 20 years in the tech world.  A whole year!  Yet still they tell me my unit may ship in a month or two.  How?   even if hardware is pouring in .... a backlog of a *YEAR* ?

So last week they said they were shipping all orders through June 26.   And 7 days later its all orders thru July 3.  Guess what that means?   They're only shipping at a day - to - day rate.  In 7 days they shipped 7 days worth of orders.  At that rate, it will be 1 year before they're shipping todays orders....

When i start seeing 1 week pass and the "ship thru" date is a month later than the previous ... then i'll start having some hope.

Until then ... there is no increase in shipping speed.  Except that its occurring versus not...

-Burger-

Request a refund, move on, let the people behind the moaners move up...

I think you are forgetting something. They have been shipping for real only a week or two, and in that time they have cleared the backlog from some of the days when they are likely to have received a lot of orders compared to a few weeks later.

It takes a little time to get production ramped up, and the workers will spend less time per unit they put together and pack until they reach a plateau where efficiency falls back a little.
There are new systems to be set up, best way of item-flow, some experimenting with different setups etc. And offcourse some errors have to be made etc.

When they have gotten trough the first few weeks of orders, thew will probably churn trough the days pretty fast, at least until they get to around april/may 2013 where I suspect there is a new rise in orders.

If they can get the hardware parts in fast enough, the natural thing would be to hire more staff that will then come to a company focused on shipping orders. Also as they have gotten used to shipping and have a system set up, the new workers will slip into the routine faster than the existing workers who have been used to a company focusing on bugtracking, putting out fires, waiting for suppliers and backpedling.

5 MR ?  = 15  X 500 GH Boxes ?   = 7.5 TH  yike! --- lights will dim - hash rate spike!

If BFL had shipped even one minirig, BFL_Jody would be all over the blog telling the world about it, being the one that sends the orders to production!

If I had an order for a minirig, I would rather have it converted into a bunch of jalapenos than get the order cancelled.

But now that the jalapenos are going out the door, they are quite likely to have figured out some larger models aswell, but maybe they are waiting for part or are doing some final testing. It's really not easy to know if they will start shipping other units any day or if it's gonna be severely delayed.

Would not be surprised if buyers of miniriggs might end up with the same hashing power spread over several units.

The last difficulty level showed a 28.4% jump in difficulty.  If difficulty levels were to continue at an 18% increase each two weeks thereafter the expected future difficulty levels would look as follows:

date     change     difficulty
----------------------------------
05-Jun   28.41%   15,605,633
16-Jun   18.00%   18,414,647
27-Jun   18.00%   21,729,283
08-Jul    18.00%   25,640,554
19-Jul           18.00%   30,255,854
30-Jul           18.00%   35,701,908
10-Aug   18.00%   42,128,251
21-Aug   18.00%   49,711,337
01-Sep   18.00%   58,659,377
12-Sep   18.00%   69,218,065
23-Sep   18.00%   81,677,317
04-Oct   18.00%   96,379,234
15-Oct   18.00%   113,727,496
26-Oct   18.00%   134,198,445
06-Nov   18.00%   158,354,165
17-Nov   18.00%   186,857,915
28-Nov   18.00%   220,492,340
09-Dec   18.00%   260,180,961
20-Dec   18.00%   307,013,534
31-Dec   18.00%   362,275,970

At a bitcoin price of $120 and the above difficulty levels a BFL rig customer may double their money or better if they received equipment by mid-Sept 2013.  They would break even if received by mid-Nov and unfortunately lose money on their investment if receive end-November.  

What must make most BFL pre-order, but undelivered, customers rather unhappy is that a 5GHs machine would make around $2,000 profit and a 50 GHs machine around $20,000 profit if started today and mined 24/7 to end 2014.

I think you should rather use 25-30% in your calculations. ASICS are coming fast now, and will skyrocket the difficulty.

Yes, but not monthly.

The difficulty increase in percentage staying the same means that the average increase has been the same.


Lets illustrate this:

Difficulty 10m. For illustration, lets say it is 10th/s (I know that is wrong.)

Hashrate increase of 10%, increase 1m. 1th/s
Same hashrate comes up: 11m, Hashrate 11/th/s with a 1th/s increase. After 2016 blocks, difficulty is increased by 9,09%.
If you suggest a cumulativ increase of additional percentages, you need to think about the costs. 360 million is RIDICULOUS. I have written about this before.

You would have to add the total hashrate of June to accomodate October increases. Just think about that. Then you would do it again, and again. Adding the current total network hashrate several times over, with increasing the increase absolute number every time.

Here is past difficulty level data... make your own predictions for future changes.

Remember to take into account the quantity of ASIC chips in production by Avalon and others.

Date          Increase %   Difficulty level     

05-Feb   10.33%   3,651,012
18-Feb   11.47%   4,367,876
01-Mar   19.63%   4,847,647
14-Mar   10.98%   6,695,826
24-Mar   38.13%   7,673,000
05-Apr   14.59%   8,974,296
17-Apr   12.28%   10,076,293
30-Apr   12.28%   11,187,257
12-May   11.03%   11,187,257
25-May   8.64%   12,153,412
05-Jun   28.41%   15,605,633

It's going to be very hard soon to mine anything.

The ASIC hash rate war is proving to be a drama. What I see happening is the ASIC vendors released their units with two much hash power, this will cost them sales and profits in the near future with BFL being the worst offender.

Instead of introducing the TH/s to the network spread around to thousands of miners in small chunks, they told everyone about the Minirig. People with deep pockets have ordered hundreds so when they finally ship, the TH/s will explode overnight. This will drive the smaller miners away from BTC and buying BFL product as the smaller units wont be able to compete, and the average miner wont be able to afford competitive rigs any longer, the gap is too large. So the mining will be concentrated into a smaller and smaller group of players with deep pockets. They will be able to dominate at a far cheaper cost than otherwise would have been possible for two reasons. Firstly BFL sold the Minirig too cheap, per GH/s compared to all other products on the market including their own lesser models. Secondly the instant concentration of hashing power will reduce the other miners revenue far more abruptly than if the whole net rose gradually, that will cause shock and awe not unlike a market crash.

Of course BFL are not alone, the Avalon 66GH/s unit was too big, they should have started with a 22 GH/s unit or smaller, and shipped 3 times as many of them.

Kncminer are talking about a 175GH/s an 350GH/s which are once again too much hash power.

Up until now everyone added hashing power in small increments adding a GPU or two, the crazies built racks of the things, but overall there were no big jumps. That's all about to change and I think for the worse. BTC was all about decentralization, these unnecessarily large ASIC sizes that are coming, screws up that concept.

I see what you mean, but I'm thinking that difficulty is going into an exponential curve right now. It will not last for a long time, and there will be a new plateau. What that plateau will be, we will see some time late summer/fall. After that, I think difficulty-increases might become lower than the "regular" 10-15%

Remember that those who are switching from CPU's to ASIC are likely to increase their hashing-power by a factor of 10.

Even though one might argue that the ASIC mining companies produced too many Gh too quick, doesn't that help secure the network and make a 51% attack from a government or such, less likely?
Just trying to find something positive in it all.

I ordered my Jalapeno, quite recently, knowing I wouldn't break even (since it will probably arrive at near years end) but I wanted to do my part to help support the network. And when one considers I can run it with low energy consumption using a Rasberry PI, it seemed like a good thing to do, especially since the Jalapeno uses a small amount of energy compared to a currently shipping competitors unit. But, I guess I'd then be able to pay for the unit if I had it now!  ;D

IAS

Wow, they must be flying through production now. Less than 24 hours after it went into production, I have my shipment email with tracking.  My day just got a whole lot better.

how come? someone announce ASIC-scrypt miners?

I think he was talking about mining Bitcoin with a GPU. Buddy, it's progression of hardware. 1 year ago the only way to get Bitcoins was via buying a GPU. Now you have to buy ASICs. And ASICs are cheaper than GPU rigs anyways.

However BFL has yet to ship a damn thing from the revised BitForce line. The Jalepenos are old news, and it took over a year for them just to deliver that much. I feel the BFL rigs are not of any concern until someone actually sees one in the wild, which at present rate will be sometime in 2014...

KnCMiner is bull, as Phinneaus Gage has been happy to point out the many holes in them so far. They have only created an FPGA miner prototype (which looks more like 4 FPGA boards loosely bolted together with small corner pieces of acrylic plastic...not what I would call a real prototype), which was then dumped because FPGA won't do anything against ASICs. Now they claim to be developing that, but have so far produced absolutely nothing. I have no faith the will as they seem just as disorganized and/or scammy as the rest.

The network will even out some, as the big players jump into ASIC the FPGA and GPU miners will either shift in or go to Litecoin or other coins. I don't think the jump will be as bad or as fast as most predict, but it will be increasing a lot as ASICs are rolled out by other companies like ASICMiner and Avalon who have actually delivered what they promised. But even as mining gets harder, the other edge of that sword is that Bitcoin will continue to increase in value because of it. Even mining a small slice of a coin can still mean big money in the future.


Scrypt is just now hitting the FPGA stage, as I know :D  Scrypt is not as apt on ASIC hardware either, it will be a long time before we see Gen 4 hardware for Scrypt coins.

All very good points, Still i think people will flock more to pools than solo mine in the ASIC boom, people on old equipment will still be able to make a share, but how much is anyones guess until the hardware starts rolling out, its the waiting i cant stand, in the meantime things are pretty good.

oh yeah the ASIC war is about to breakout. . . coming soon to a post near you!

What are you talking about by concentrating the hash power into smaller number of hands, increases the chance of a 51% attack.

Where did I say we are concentrating the hashing power into a smaller number of hands? If only a few people were buying them than that is news to me but I thought that since we are keeping an eye on the mining pools that the pools were the problem and not individuals harding machines.

Thanks for not commenting on my noteworthy support of the community and just my "mistake".  >:(

http://www.coindesk.com/butterfly-labs-finally-ships-out-last-years-jalapeno-orders/

 This is pretty amazing to take in. So I'm guessing this June 05 spike is caused from all the USB Erupters and Jaly's coming onto the network ? Is there something else that has come online, assuming ASICMiner is going to handle 25% of the blockchain solo ?

Don't forget the Avalon units, and the number of chips they have sold.

One Avalon equals a large room full of CPU riggs. Even a jally equal 2-3 riggs.

 AFAIK, none of the Avalon chips have shipped to customers/OEM's yet.

 As a data-point, one official Avalon rig =~ 11 Jally's

Yeah, probably not a large room, but still something like in this picture. (If the machines are up to date etc.)

http://decryption.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/cpldi.jpg

This is excellent.
Keep closing the doors to any further pre-order scam they could come up with, before they announce it.

Maybe a thread "If I was in charge at BFL, I would..." would save a lot of money to all future victims.
Imagine the next steps of the ponzi, and share them.

I know they aready got pretty far but heh, this "100 days for 100 chips" seems to work its way even higher.

Batch #2 Avalon

How big was that?  I heard estimates of around 40TH/s a while ago, did that eventuate?

I believe 600 units @ 70? or maybe 72 Gh/s per unit. I also believe that it has started shipping, but there are more units to go before the shipping of batch 2 is complete. 40 - 43 Th/s yes

So if the current net hash rate is 117TH/s, that batch alone represents 35% of the total net hash rate. Add that to the 20TH/s from batch #1 and you can see that over half the entire BTC hash rate is now concentrated down to  900 Avalon boxes, even less when you count users, since many people ordered more than one Avalon box.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/183-thursday-6-6-2012.html

I received my shipping email about an hour ago. Order #2473, ordered 6/28/2012. Mine was delayed a few days due to USPS sending my FPGA trade-in all over the damn country.

This is almost art.
Congratulation on screwing up your most expensive pre-orders!
Because obviously, pay date for a minirig = pay date + 3 years. Or am I missing something ?

You sure you don't have an order or 2 for singles or MR before july the 3rd ? Dog ate them, maybe ?  ;D

Errrh? If you ordered the 22'th, but did not pay until the 30'th, your order is shipped with the other ones paid the 30'th.

That's right. So it's best if you pay when you order.

Of course, what would otherwise keep people from ordering and not paying for months, then just paying when things look good? It is protection for those of us who paid.

Anyone know if upgrading, which I did from 5Gh - 7Gh)  pushes you back in the que? I would think not...

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3144-ls-s-mr-status-speculation-2.html#post39339

Looking good.

Answer - Upgrading does not appear to push anyone back (with intention) in the que. I say it that way as the upgraded units might be using newer chips which are not yet delivered. So, there
might be a short delay, think they mentioned those chips arrive in July. I pulled that from another thread. Not sure though.

There was a one day delay caused by a bug in the shipping software (fixed now).
I received the shipping confirmation mail two days ago and according to USPS tracking they are on their way.
(yes, 7GH units)

Blah blah blah more talk and very little results.

1 year anniversary on the horizon from inception of BFL pre-order scam bullshit.

At this point, with how many out int he wild, and with me getting mine Saturday and have been running my Jalapeno since then, well about the 4.5Gh that I paid for, yeah, im good.  Of course I wish it didnt take me nearly a year, but hey, I got it so cant really say scam, just not exactly delivered when originally promised, but the product does exist and does do as promised.

what about sending out all those singles and stuff ?

What about it? Do you read any of their posts?

stopped reading half a year ago, cause it always is like in the next few weeks we will be...

Then you must not have heard about all the units that have shipped.

I would agree that a cumulative outlook is nearly impossible.

I just multiply difficulty by 10 for calculations.

looks like my Jally's will finally arrive this morning, too bad I have to work all day :(  Pics to come later....

Grats, although a Jally is not going to make you rich, I bet it brings a smile when you finally get it mining.

What is your order date/order number?

Jally's as in more than one, see pics below

Order 2473, 6/28/12

and now.... ASIC PR0N....
https://i.imgur.com/ixkp8Df.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8tT2Tt2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/i5gbojs.jpg

Sweet :-)

BTW: The variation seem to indicate that the "upgrade" option is that you get a unit that is tested and delivers 7Gh/s

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/191-wednesday-june-12-shipping-update.html


That's should cheer up people waiting on Singles to start shipping.

I wish BFL would stop shipping Jalapeno rigs until every other type of rig is shipped up to 08/22/2012. Any information on what order date the two shipped singles were at?

That's interesting - I check at 50m 100m and 150m - maybe I'll just start taking a zero on the end instead.

Here ya go,diffs done for ya  ;D

19707600=150TH

26276800=200TH

39415200=300TH

52553600=400TH

65692000=500TH

78830400=600TH

98538000=750TH

131384000=1000TH

164230000=1250TH

197076000=1500TH

This, is why I'm not even putting in an order. Quite a quandary they have there, in order to keep from completely upsetting customers such as yourself (even more than they have already that is!).

I think they're probably keeping a balance between getting too far ahead with Jalapenos and getting their other devices ready.

If you bothered to read any of their forum blogs and posts about the other models, you would know they have a team of workers on standby that are not building Jalapeno rigs, waiting to be called in to build the other models as soon as they can.

I don't monitor those forums too closely anymore, but that is good news indeed. If they get the order chain up to balance, then that would be best.

So now Jalapenos and SC Singles are shipping, with Minirigs on hold.

When do we start seeing Little Singles? Will I see mine (ordered in February) this year? By then will difficulty be less than 500,000,000?

Pity anyone who ordered at the new prices.

Little Singles are also currently shipping. I don't know where you heard they weren't. Difficulty is only at 15.6 million. If it multiplied by 10 it would only be 156 million. It wont be at 500 million any time soon.

Received email this morning...my Jalapeños are on the way.  w00t!

"Standard shipping," at least for my smallish order, turned out to be Priority Mail.  Odds are they'll arrive here Wednesday afternoon. 

What date did you order on?

29 August 2012.  Order number was 6535.

Omg - I ordered mine in 2013 - they will come next year =(

They are actually trying (and so far, succeeding) to ship a month's worth of Jalapeno orders each week. So if they can maintain that pace, worst case is September.

Jody posts their daily shipping progress on her blog. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/ (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/)

They arrived here this morning...our mail must get here earlier than I thought.  Click any of the pix to embiggen. :-)

They shipped in this box...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57535575/2013-06-19%2010.11.55_scaled.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57535575/2013-06-19%2010.11.55.jpg)

...into which this box was a snug fit:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57535575/2013-06-19%2010.13.24_scaled.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57535575/2013-06-19%2010.13.24.jpg)

Two Jalapeños tucked away inside (power supplies and USB cables are in the two small boxes on the right):

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57535575/2013-06-19%2010.13.45_scaled.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57535575/2013-06-19%2010.13.45.jpg)

One had this note wrapped up with it:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57535575/2013-06-19%2010.14.07_scaled.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57535575/2013-06-19%2010.14.07.jpg)

Unboxed:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57535575/2013-06-19%2010.15.15_scaled.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57535575/2013-06-19%2010.15.15.jpg)

For now, it's on my work computer, which runs Windows.  After a bit of work, I got the latest cgminer working within EasyMiner, and now have ~10.5 GH/s directed at BitMinter:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57535575/easyminer_scaled.png (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57535575/easyminer.png)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57535575/2013-06-19%2013.06.51_scaled.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57535575/2013-06-19%2013.06.51.jpg)

Ordered 29 Aug 12, arrived 19 Jun 13, order #6535.

To get EasyMiner working with something other than EclipseMC or Eligius, use the "manual mining" option under the settings tab.  Fill it with something like this:


Repeat the -o/-u/-p options for each additional pool you want to configure.

It also wouldn't be a bad idea to replace the bundled cgminer (3.1.1) with the latest (3.2.2, as of this writing).  cgminer 3.2.x uses a rewritten USB communication layer. Instead of the FTDI USB-to-RS232 driver, you'll want to use a tool called "zadig" to install the driver that cgminer will use:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/libwdi/files/zadig/

Reboot and your miners will show up.

Eventually I'll take them home and plug them into my Gentoo mining rig.  For now, though, this will work.

Not to be devils advocate... but if you got them running at work, why not leave them there..... Will anyone really notice? $$$ savings...

They'd be more secure at home, and the power draw of two Jalapeños is not much more than that of the 7750 in my mining rig. Besides, my work computer is getting long in the tooth (Athlon 64 3700+, though it is running Win7 now) and lately has been prone to bluescreening and/or freezing.  The mining rig doesn't have these problems.

If you have an extra network plug in at work, pick up a cheap Raspberry Pi, download Minepeon, set it up, and go, and leave them at work. 

Idk if your work would let you fix the comp or not, but try running ComboFix. It should get rid of those pesky BSOD's(among most other problems) if they arent anything serious.

How many products so far shipped more or less?

I have ordered a Jalapeno last month (half of May)... you will say money throwed in the bin, and maybe you would be right...

regards,
ilpirata79

More than 3 and less than a million I would guess.

ppl participate on here: http://bfl.ptz.ro/

I'd guess that 500 or less have been shipped from the latest Jody ambiguity talk.  If they are planning to stay en route of the 90 days catchup plan I would gather they must be shipping 30-80 units per day minimum.  No scientific data or facts to back up....Just my BS presumption, nothing more. :)

Good start to the weekend:

https://i.imgur.com/hBs9p6vh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/XD47hjhh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/5CpP5vNh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ENbeQzMh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/EGuJUiBh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/0yaznL3h.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gft1sZ6h.jpg

http://imgur.com/INiyH8e