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Title: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Beastlymac on January 19, 2014, 05:31:57 AM

To start off with I am happy to announce that  dzarmush (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=176058) is the winner of the logo design contest. His entry can be found here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=364115.msg3901162#msg3901162). For that he wins FREE entry to the collective and one FREE share valued at $350 all up.

Introduction
The WASP miner collective (WPC) is working on designing open source hardware that can be used to run multiple different asic chips off the same device. The wasp collective strive to provide high quality design that can be adapted to any asic chip that comes out. We aim to provide a great service and a great product for the community.

The Wasp Project is an open membership collective and we are committed to Open Source Hardware and Software and we are very interested in working with chip fabricators, diy'ers / hobbyists as well as miners looking to upgrade their "ageing" and "inefficient" systems.


What are wasps and hives
The Hives (Mother Planes)

Quote
* On board USB hub with a port for each blade. Upstream port connects to linux board or box. At least one extra port for potential billboard display or local display & cooling-controller.

* On board 24-pin and 6/8 pin connectors for PC power supply (650-750W) provides 3.3, 5, and 12 V.

* Last blade connector can accept a server power supply (12V only) for higher power operation, not needed when system is tuned for low-power consumption, or when it has fewer than a full load of blades.

* 8 available connection points for the Wasps.

* Any Wasp no matter the type of the chip will work with the Hives.

* All blades driven through USB hub.

* Stand-alone hive is just a small card with sockets for power and USB.

* Hot swap.

* Linux embedded system to run cgminer/bfgminer bolts right down onto big mobo.


The Wasps (Blades)

* Wasps can slot into mother plane.

* Wasps can stand alone and be stacked FPGA style.

* Wasps are made to fit the Hive form factor.

* Wasps can be independently powered and controlled without mother plane.


Currently being worked on
The Hives (Mother Planes)
  • On board USB hub with a port for each blade. Upstream port connects to linux board or box. At least one extra port for potential billboard display or local display & cooling-controller.
  • On board 24-pin and 6/8 pin connectors for PC power supply (650-750W) provides 3.3, 5, and 12 V.
  • Last blade connector can accept a server power supply (12V only) for higher power operation, not needed when system is tuned for low-power consumption, or when it has fewer than a full load of blades.
  • 8 available connection points for the Wasps.
  • Any Wasp no matter the type of the chip will work with the Hives.
  • All blades driven through USB hub.
  • Stand-alone hive is just a small card with sockets for power and USB.
  • Hot swap will be added in 2nd or 3rd iteration of the hive.
  • Linux embedded system to run cgminer/bfgminer bolts right down onto big mobo.

The Wasps (Blades)
  • Wasps can slot into mother plane.
  • Wasps can stand alone and be stacked FPGA style.
  • Wasps are made to fit the mother plane form factor.
  • Wasps can be independently powered and controlled without mother plane.
  • +55nm Prototypes

55nm Prototypes

Avalon V2 Wasp (LIVE)
(55nm)
  • Avalon Gen 2 Chips Available
  • up to 1.6 GH/s per chip
  • Bitfury wasp board should require little re-engineering for this
   

BitFury Wasp (LIVE)
(55nm)
  • BitFury Chips Available end of December
  • 40 Gh/s (16 chips)

28nm Production

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/EqualsA1-BitFury_zpsd650a1b0.png

A1 Wasp. (LIVE)
  • Bitmine A1 Chips Available December
  • 240 Gh/s Overclocked (6 chips); more likely, with untested chips, 200 GH/s per board
  • Nominal total 2000 Gh/s, or almost 2 full backplanes (assuming that all chips are fully working AND overclockable to 40GH - not really likely, but our software can get the most possible out of them).
  • Nominal likely total hashing from 50 chips (and this is all that Bitmine guarantees) is 48 x 25 = 1.2 TH on 12 boards
  • Best case: 0.0180625 BTC Gh/s, or about $3 USD GH/s
  • Likely case: 0.0301 BTC/GH/s, or about $5 USD GH/s

Minion Wasp. (LIVE)
  • Black Arrow Minion Chips Available February
  • 520 Gh/s Standard (4 chips)
  • Total 2080 Gh/s


What can be expected for wasp blades?

Quote
BitFury Wasp Prototype

+  16 to 24 chips  for 300 gh/s to 440 gh/s depending on the configuration.
+  4U Server configuration
+  Design for the power on the Wasp currently being down so 3d renders for the prototype are a week away.
+  By December the prototype testing video should be out.
+  By December the prototypes shipped to a datacenter for longer term testing and troubleshooting.
+  The DIY & Licenced Production could start as early as January for these units should there be a market for them.

Avalon Gen I Wasp Prototype

+  16 to 24 chips for 50 gh/s to 75 gh/s depending on the configuration. (Gen II chips would be higher)
+  4U Server configuration.
+  Design for the power on the Wasp currently being down so 3d renders for the prototype are a week away.
+  By December the prototype testing video should be out.
+  By December the prototypes shipped to a datacenter for longer term testing and troubleshooting.
+  The DIY & Licenced Production could start as early as January for these units should there be a market for them.

A1 Wasp Prototype

+  A1 designs will be applied to the BitFury Wasp design and should take less than a week.
+  4U Server configuration
+  Design for the power on the Wasp currently being down so 3d renders for the prototype would occur in late December.
+  By Late December the prototype testing video should be out.
+  By Late December or Early January the prototypes shipped to a datacenter for longer term testing and troubleshooting.
+  The DIY & Licenced Production could start as early as January for these units.

Minion Wasp Prototype

+  Minion designs will be applied to the lessons learned from the A1 Wasp design and should take less than a week.
+  4U Server configuration
+  Design for the power on the Wasp currently being down so 3d renders for the prototype would occur in January or earlier.
+  By Late February the prototype testing video should be out.
+  By Late February or Early March the prototypes shipped to a datacenter for longer term testing and troubleshooting.
+  The DIY & Licenced Production could start as early as Late February or Early March for these units.

Want to chat with us to learn more multiple members can be reached at #WPC-public on freenode. You can also pm me or bicknellski here on the forum.

To access the channel via your web browser click HERE (http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#WPC-Public)


Threads relating to WPC designs and information.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=325181.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=299255.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368956.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=352956.0


*More information will come soon when I update this post*
The thread is self moderated to remove placement post's and random un needed junk. Feel free to post your view I won't delete it.
Photos and more information soon.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Beastlymac on January 19, 2014, 05:32:19 AM
for updating with more information.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 19, 2014, 06:05:43 AM
We have locked the other threads and will be focusing our information here until we have data to share from the prototype front. While Beastly has a much deserved vacation we will continue communications for him here and we will have a website to feed the community prototype updates when and as soon as they are available. Beastly will resume the communication role in 2 weeks time. Have a great Vaca Beastly!


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: thomashrev89 on January 19, 2014, 06:32:26 AM
nice, where can i donate?


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 19, 2014, 06:50:08 AM
nice, where can i donate?

Nope, no donations required as we are covering the costs of our all projects internally. You can purchase miners to support us when fabricators take our designs and build them.



Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Dabs on January 19, 2014, 08:38:13 AM
I'm interested in the minion based ones, and if you have it in your pipeline, anything scrypt (like the new gridseed chips.) And of course, I'm willing to do an Asian based group buy.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: vadoff on January 19, 2014, 09:25:38 AM
Just let me know when I can purchase any of them.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: tk1337 on January 19, 2014, 09:29:22 AM
will definitely be watching this.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Fireblade on January 19, 2014, 01:56:08 PM
How are you planning to sell the "kits"? Will it be selled by resellers across the world, or just one selling point? The initial plan was to design a platform and sell the licence to other people/companies for producing the kits. Is that plan still up? I am just a miner  ;)


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 19, 2014, 03:28:45 PM
How are you planning to sell the "kits"? Will it be selled by resellers across the world, or just one selling point? The initial plan was to design a platform and sell the licence to other people/companies for producing the kits. Is that plan still up? I am just a miner  ;)

As an open source hardware design we will release it to everyone as soon as we are happy it is fully functional from software, firmware and a hardware perspective for each chip that we design into Wasps. Fabricators or end users will license their miners from us and that is how we will recoup our investment by providing a solid long term modular miner that anyone can build and upgrade. We are keen to work with fabricators large or small anywhere in the world who are interested in our designs. If you would like discuss and plan further, once we have working prototypes, feel free to contact us via PM or via our website once our working prototypes are hashing.

Of course our own members will be producing some prototypes for our own needs but the WPC itself will not likely going to be fabricating and selling units as we want to license and support as many people, cooperatives and individuals in this as possible. We feel that if we concentrate mainly on bringing more Wasp designs to the community, as new chips become available, then we can help people get miners faster, that are in stock and not have to see this ugly cycle of pre-order nightmares continue. We want to open up the market to as many people as possible with our designs.

As we have mentioned in the other threads pricing will be quite transparent and can be easily calculated by anyone willing to send out our Gerbers and BOM to a fabricator as well as getting chip prices which are widely available right from Asic chip fabricators here in this forum and on their website. We believe that our modular design will be competitive with the bigger companies in this competitive marketplace.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: drukoz on January 19, 2014, 03:33:08 PM
when and how will i be able to buy any of ur products?


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 19, 2014, 03:37:30 PM
when and how will i be able to buy any of ur products?

1. Build it yourself.
2. Buy from a fabricator.
3. Buy from a reseller or group buy.
4. ... time will tell maybe a chip fabricator might just use our designs and slot their chips in.

I suspect that there will be plenty of opportunity to buy these units from already established DIY type fabricators here. Or you could do like we did start a collective and pool your resources and start building these miners locally.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: drukoz on January 19, 2014, 06:15:15 PM
when and how will i be able to buy any of ur products?

1. Build it yourself.
2. Buy from a fabricator.
3. Buy from a reseller or group buy.
4. ... time will tell maybe a chip fabricator might just use our designs and slot their chips in.

I suspect that there will be plenty of opportunity to buy these units from already established DIY type fabricators here. Or you could do like we did start a collective and pool your resources and start building these miners locally.


so no DIY kits out :( ? aww allright im really down for the A1 chips there need to be more usb miners coming out with them lolololollololololololol jk


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 19, 2014, 07:04:28 PM
when and how will i be able to buy any of ur products?

1. Build it yourself.
2. Buy from a fabricator.
3. Buy from a reseller or group buy.
4. ... time will tell maybe a chip fabricator might just use our designs and slot their chips in.

I suspect that there will be plenty of opportunity to buy these units from already established DIY type fabricators here. Or you could do like we did start a collective and pool your resources and start building these miners locally.


so no DIY kits out :( ? aww allright im really down for the A1 chips there need to be more usb miners coming out with them lolololollololololololol jk

We won't produce DIY kits but someone might. We can do a single chip board as well 1 chip miner if you are really keen on that.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Operatr on January 19, 2014, 07:10:01 PM
Congrats  dzarmush! I was hoping mine may take home the prize but his is a good looking logo, should look mighty fine stamped on the first wasps and hives.

I hope to see a Gridseed wasp in the mix  ;D


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 19, 2014, 07:12:21 PM
If there are chips available from Gridseed... it might be in line after the Minion Wasp.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: bitpop on January 19, 2014, 09:24:17 PM
I'm confused, you have your own chips and you'll use others?


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 20, 2014, 04:57:32 AM
I'm confused, you have your own chips and you'll use others?

We have not made an ASIC chip (yet).

We are using / going to use the following to build our Wasp Prototypes:

A1 Coincraft: http://bitmine.ch/?page_id=863
Minion: http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/minion-asic.html
BitFury: https://megabigpower.com/shop/index.php?route=product/category&path=33
BitMain: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=364236.0 | https://www.bitmaintech.com/about.htm


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 20, 2014, 05:00:18 AM
What Are Hives and Wasps?

The world of BTC mining is a fast paced, ever changing one where one week's King of the Mountain is the next week's Court Jester, good for a laugh but little more. As companies develop increasingly powerful BTC mining ASICs, those chips are rapidly designed into boards and systems for delivery to the eagerly awaiting throngs of miners who aspire to lead the way in hashing capability, and thereby in profits. Because of the feedback built into the BTC universe, each iteration of mining hardware is only maximizing its profits in the first few weeks after its ASICs are delivered, and before the next round of faster chips reaches manufacturing and delivery.

The WPC Wasps and Hives are an attempt to ride the crest of this racing wave, by building a common basis in hardware, firmware, and software for incorporating each new hashing device as it appears, with maximum re-use of all the assets of a new ASIC's predecessors. By reducing the amount of intellectual property that must be re-engineered, WPC reduces its time-to-market for each new revision, and reduces the engineering charges on each new miner version, as well. This, along with a significant re-use of hardware components, produces a low-cost, high capability system that is worth investing resources in to ensure industrial levels of reliability, maintainability, and management in large scale deployments.

Hives and Wasps are the racks and rack-mounted servers of the PC world, trading minor cost increments for major gains in scalability, configurability, and manageability. This, along with the quick turn deployment of new ASICs, extends the lifetime and lowers the operational costs of large scale BTC mining operations based on Wasps and Hives.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 20, 2014, 05:05:01 AM
BTC Background: BTC Mining Systems, Past, Present, and Future

  • Maturation from CPUs to GPUs to FPGAs to ASICs
  • Evolution from individual miners to pools of miners
  • The Power of Pools
  • Difficulty, and its impact on large scale Mining operations

Mining Software: Directing the hordes

  • Miner Software - supervising the Hordes of ASICs, for the Pools
  • Miner Firmware - translating the supervisors' jobs into work the hasher hordes understand

Hashers The Crypto-Hordes: Basics of Hashing Asics

  • Chips created for one purpose only - to perform the double-SHA256 hashes in BitCoin mining as fast as possible
  • Chips developed on smaller and smaller geometries, to get more circuits and higher speeds at lower power
  • Eventually, the fastest ASIC at the lowest power wins the race, and will dominate the field as power costs dominate the overall costs of hashing

Industrial Quality Mining Systems: Extending the lifetime of mining systems

  • As all the ASICs are migrated to the most current technologies, the performance race will slow
  • As the delivery of faster hashers abates, the lowest power-per-gigahash/second becomes the winner.
  • As difficulty stops rising exponentially, mining systems will have longer useful lifetimes, and so must be robust  enough to last for years in continuous operation.
  • As new coin types evolve, mining systems must be able to integrate multiple kinds of hashers without requiring more investment in mining, maintenance, and support hardware, software, or operational support.
  • We are reaching the tipping point, where the cheaper, less robust, short lifetime implementations typical of today are giving way to higher quality, designed-to-last, re-configurable systems that won't require the operations staff to re-learn everything every few weeks.
  • Hives and Wasps are designed to live a long time, and work in new modes as those modes are discovered, without taking them out of service for replacement or upgrade.

Design Goals:  Achieving disruptive innovation

  • Designed for re-usability, from the most basic circuitry and firmware up
  • Designed to protect the expensive hashing ASICs continuously throughout all operating regimes, with continuous monitoring and lifetime logs
  • Diagnostics can be run on the hardware while it is hashing.
  • Designed with high-power, high efficiency, programmable power supplies to the ASICs
  • Full environmental monitoring for temperature and voltages allows the units to automatically reduce their footprints to safe operating areas when the environment changes, while still getting maximum use of the degraded environment.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 20, 2014, 05:10:18 AM
Wasps and Hives: Features and Facts

  • Reconfigurable in operation
  • Able to programmatically adjust voltages and circuitry for newer, lower power modes of operation
  • A Hive can simultaneously host any mix of kinds of Wasp that it has sufficient power for
  • Wasps are self-identifying to the mining programs, and all share a common protocol with miner programs - there's only one type of driver ever needed for cgminer or bfgminer, no matter which kinds of Wasp are attached to the controlling PC.
  • Those protocols are written to be extended, when new requirements evolve, and all the Wasps' firmware loadouts can be updated in place, without powering them down and removing them from service.
  • So long as the PC-to-Wasp communications don't fail, Wasps can be diagnosed, identified,and re-configured without ever having to touch them.
  • As components age, and hashers develop more and more hardware based errors, remote management tools can take remedial actions to recover as much functionality as remains, again hands-off, even in the face of complete hasher-ASIC failures.
  • As more demands are placed upon the local micro-controller (or 'MCU'), Wasp design can be updated to supply more computational power, without discarding the existing firmware, software, or protocols.
  • Hives span the gamut between single boards powered by consumer ATX power supplies to crates of boards with redundant, load sharing server supplies. The same Wasps can be used by hobbyists and datacenters.
  • Wasp and Hive schematics are freely available; the Wasps can be used in a shared-mining configuration in payment of licensing fees, if desired. Hardware cloning is encouraged; license piracy is effectively discouraged.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Dabs on January 20, 2014, 05:35:11 AM
Hmm, just to be clear, the original cgminer author supports only bitcoin mining. So if scrypt asics come out, either another coder takes over (like the sgminer fork) or bfgminer? Unless CK decides to come back and accept litecoin. I don't remember what the position of Luke-Jr is on scrypt / GPU, but his software currently supports it.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 20, 2014, 05:38:06 AM
Hmm, just to be clear, the original cgminer author supports only bitcoin mining. So if scrypt asics come out, either another coder takes over (like the sgminer fork) or bfgminer? Unless CK decides to come back and accept litecoin. I don't remember what the position of Luke-Jr is on scrypt / GPU, but his software currently supports it.

We will worry about that when / if we reach that hurdle as we have more than enough talent inside the WPC to work out the scrypt ASIC firmware based off Gridseed's or other scrypt chip specifications if it is available. If it is not then we would have to see if there is any value in working with undocumented chips. We would use the same software unchanged. Too many if's right now and we are really focused only on the  the SHA256 Wasps now and into the February and March when the Minion chips are supposed to ship.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Gologuzan on January 20, 2014, 06:50:57 AM
Hi,

only 4 things.

1. when will you start selling?
2. will you accept BTC as payment?
3. approximate assessment of price/prices?
4. how can i get in line in a couple of first spots?



Thx,
Gologuzan


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 20, 2014, 12:38:13 PM
Hi,

only 4 things.

1. when will you start selling?
2. will you accept BTC as payment?
3. approximate assessment of price/prices?
4. how can i get in line in a couple of first spots?



Thx,
Gologuzan

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422243.msg4601166#msg4601166 <-- Please read here.

--------------

1. We will start selling licenses after we release the gerbers, BOM, firmware and software. We are trying to make sure we have hardware, firmware and software working before releasing this to anyone. Note we are not going to be the primary point of sales for these Wasp Hives there will be others that will do that.

2. See number 1. We will accept BTC for licenses.

3. Anyone can price these units out as soon as the Bom / Gerbers drop. You can send the information to an SMT and get them to give you a production cost sans chips. We have multiple Wasps: A1 Wasp, BitFury Wasp and BitMain Wasp so prices that fabricators come up with will indeed vary.

4. No line. No Pre-ordering etc from us and we are hopeful that with a release of the gerbers and bom there will be no more lines or pre-orders. Here is hoping that production to consumer hands is truly a short time.

Keep your eyes open for our website launch and note we are currently in talks with a number of groups who are interested in our designs for both their own farms but also for sale to the community. We hope to have some good news this week but we all know what Robert Burns said in a poem to a wee mouse.

Quote
The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men,
Gang aft agley,
An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain,
For promis'd joy!

-------------------

The best laid schemes of Mice and Men
oft go awry,
And leave us nothing but grief and pain,
For promised joy!


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: bobsag3 on January 20, 2014, 04:06:28 PM
Sorry for bring out of the loop-
Chips have been sent off to Dick, he will have tomorrow.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 21, 2014, 02:26:50 AM
Sorry for bring out of the loop-
Chips have been sent off to Dick, he will have tomorrow.

Thanks for that Bobsag3. We have some in hand already and yours will definitely be used in the first run of prototype boards when your chips arrive this week in Seattle so that we can get a fully populated hive and then some. Hope to see you at the next meeting on Saturday.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Powell on January 21, 2014, 02:33:10 AM
Def. cannot wait to see how this comes along.  I've been slammed last few weeks so I need to go back and sift through all of the other threads.  Might be next major jump for us down the road when licensing, etc. comes about.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: bobsag3 on January 21, 2014, 03:41:44 AM
Sorry for bring out of the loop-
Chips have been sent off to Dick, he will have tomorrow.

Thanks for that Bobsag3. We have some in hand already and yours will definitely be used in the first run of prototype boards when your chips arrive this week in Seattle so that we can get a fully populated hive and then some. Hope to see you at the next meeting on Saturday.

I will actually be in BTC Miami Saturday.
Let Dick know he will get the chips tomorrow, along with some bitmain samples.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 21, 2014, 08:15:37 AM
Sorry for bring out of the loop-
Chips have been sent off to Dick, he will have tomorrow.

Thanks for that Bobsag3. We have some in hand already and yours will definitely be used in the first run of prototype boards when your chips arrive this week in Seattle so that we can get a fully populated hive and then some. Hope to see you at the next meeting on Saturday.

I will actually be in BTC Miami Saturday.
Let Dick know he will get the chips tomorrow, along with some bitmain samples.

Okay will do.

Have a good one in Miami... say hey the Money Bags for me!


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Unacceptable on January 21, 2014, 08:40:00 AM
Say hi to Josh while your there too !!!!  ;D :D  Maybe give his behind a good slap  :D  He'd like that  8)


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: bobsag3 on January 21, 2014, 03:25:12 PM
Say hi to Josh while your there too !!!!  ;D :D  Maybe give his behind a good slap  :D  He'd like that  8)

If it wouldnt get me kicked out...


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 22, 2014, 03:00:22 AM
Dateline Seattle: News from the EE.

Quote
Just received several small bags of re-work pulls, including many BitFury chips, though I'll need to get to the microscope to be certain. Also the shipment contained 32 pristine BitMain (AntMiner) chips. I will use the re-work for the initial bringup - since I made the boards to allow bypassing any that don't work, I should get one or two working units per board, at least. I'll probably only mount 1 per chain in 5 positions, and one full chain of four in the remaining position, since I have to hand mount each one. Wish me luck!

Thanks Bobsag3 the EE got them.

CAN YOU SMELL THE SOLDER?


Title: Pool Side P0rn
Post by: Bicknellski on January 22, 2014, 07:59:57 AM
Guys working hard on the WPC Pool. Testing should be done in the next week and we hope have a soft opening of the pool for our members before a full release after that. http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/wpcpool_zps737793d3.png


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: driksson on January 22, 2014, 12:17:56 PM
Seems gridseed is already "out"?
http://mall.diginforce.com/goods.php?id=37


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 22, 2014, 12:35:03 PM
Ya we are too buried right now to work that in the tight sked we got anyhow. If there were chips to prototype with in Feb that be possible. But that is a lot of ifs and there needs to be chip specs etc. Thanks for the link I will keep watching.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 25, 2014, 03:38:59 AM
North American
Bitcoin Conference
Miami Beach - January 25 & 26, 2014

If you are going to be in BTC Miami Beach this weekend you can follow one of our WPC members and the man behind our WPC Pool Joe!  Follow @JoesPool's journey to BTCMiami! Tweet us if you want to meet us!!


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: WASPJoe on January 25, 2014, 04:54:20 AM
Hey that's me! :D

feel free to tweet me or come and find me.

I'd love to meet all of you (and hope i do).

I had 2 cancelled flights and delays on other flights... In fact i went from BWI BACK to Philly... I went almost all the way home to fly to florida!  Oh well, the TSA was AWESOME and went out of their way to get me to my flights on time. Thanks guys!

US Airways... Not really thrilled with them... The staff was nice but their policies suck. I won't be traveling with them unless they make it right. I missed the party tonight because of the cancelled flights! No comps, no upgrade, not even a free beer  :(

my hotel hosts: awesome!

best quotes of the day came from a flight attendant

on take off:
"If you can text, your phone is not in airplane mode"

and on touchdown

"Well looks like everyone's got their cell phones out already, and if you don't you better join the crowd"


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: bobsag3 on January 25, 2014, 06:30:23 AM
Hey that's me! :D

feel free to tweet me or come and find me.

I'd love to meet all of you (and hope i do).

I had 2 cancelled flights and delays on other flights... In fact i went from BWI BACK to Philly... I went almost all the way home to fly to florida!  Oh well, the TSA was AWESOME and went out of their way to get me to my flights on time. Thanks guys!

US Airways... Not really thrilled with them... The staff was nice but their policies suck. I won't be traveling with them unless they make it right. I missed the party tonight because of the cancelled flights! No comps, no upgrade, not even a free beer  :(

my hotel hosts: awesome!

best quotes of the day came from a flight attendant

on take off:
"If you can text, your phone is not in airplane mode"

and on touchdown

"Well looks like everyone's got their cell phones out already, and if you don't you better join the crowd"

Where yall stayin? We are at the marriot across the bay.. the party tonight was pretty nuts.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 25, 2014, 10:16:50 AM
Rest you 2 big day tomorrow.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 25, 2014, 12:26:48 PM
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Joe's Pool ‏@JoesPool
good morning from Florida!! heading to #BTCMiami


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Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Beastlymac on January 25, 2014, 04:20:37 PM
I am looking forward to talking with everyone in the meeting today. I hope to see as many people as possible turn up  :P


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 26, 2014, 05:41:00 AM
Update:

Wasp & Hive Prototype Update

The EE team has had what can only be said to be a horrible week with the CAD software and that has pushed things back yet again. Agggg! I feel for the EE putting in 16 hour days just to wrestle with persnickety software is not where we all want for him. In terms of the Hive we have significant airflow enhancements so that cooling will be greatly improved thanks to a "spinal column" looking design. The Hive will be ready before the Wasp and that is a good news for us moving foward. We had 2 potential customers at the meeting and questions about the A1 chip and the PCB were a key point. Our EE is recommending that anyone building for the A1 chip does go with a metal core board based on his years of experience it is required without a doubt. We will be clear to anyone fabricating our design that this is a non-negotiable point as the heat stress on the A1 pads with such tiny tiny contact points it will be a worry otherwise using only a standard FM4 PCB board as you really have to find as many ways to get the heat out as possible.

Licensing Fee Update

Our provisioning server with our firmware will be tested this week so that is progressing very well and will be ready when the Wasps and Hive come together. The WPC is currently discussing the pros & cons of the fee and trying hard to come up with a balance that allows for fabricators or end users to seamlessly get their licenses paid for and get mining without any interruptions. We will have the provisioning server up in time for fabricators and well before the first units are shipped to the community as we will use our own prototypes to test this fully.

Mining Pool Update

We will have to get our mining pool live tested this week to check stratum and cold wallets etc. We hope that we will have a working pool going soon. http://wpcpool.mine.nu/ you can check it out here to keep tabs on that progress.

Website Update

As we wait patiently for good news at the next EE meeting on February 1st the team setting up the website will continue to work on the text and graphics for the site. We are waiting on videos and real demos before we launch the site. We might put up a placeholder site soon so that people can check back that way rather than waiting for a weekly update from here.

Sales

Drop me an email or PM if you haven't already if you are looking at production of our designs. We have many members worldwide so if you need to speak with us in your first language we might have someone in the WPC that can parlez with you. I believe we have 10 to 15 languages available in our collective and we are represented across the entire planet.



Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 30, 2014, 05:19:00 AM
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/b2de8fab-7467-41b3-88a8-aba3d32e806b_zps7eb3d28b.jpg

Happy Lunar New Year.

We hope to fill this hóngbāo with gerbers and bom soon in the new year.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Dabs on January 30, 2014, 05:20:40 AM
Gridseed chips! :)


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 30, 2014, 05:29:18 AM
Gridseed chips! :)

Where can you buy them? Not seen anything anywhere. Someone else has to give us an hóngbāo with the following. Detailed chip specifications, chips and do that soon if you want to get in the design prototype line we have. Again A1, BitFury and Bitmain first then Minion and looking forward to Asicminer 40nm right after that. Gridseed is only possible if there are chips and specs otherwise no point.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: BuildTheFuture on January 30, 2014, 05:56:08 AM
Sounds like they just delayed Minion to after May 1st, and it doesn't sound competitive with what ASICMiner announced today. As a potential future collective member and/or customer, I'm much more interested in the ASICMiner offering.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 30, 2014, 06:00:19 AM
Sounds like they just delayed Minion to after May 1st, and it doesn't sound competitive with what ASICMiner announced today. As a potential future collective member and/or customer, I'm much more interested in the ASICMiner offering.

We have about 4 or 5 members trying hard to contact FriedCat as soon as the announcement came down. Minion to May 1st not a problem I bet they come up with something that beats the ASICminer 40nm in speed and price but let us see. Where did you get that news about Minion? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=294197.msg4832034#msg4832034 Found it.

We love watching this competition. Given our design the lower cost of the chip the better for everyone just need chips and specs and we are good to redesign the wasp to work in a very short turnaround. Exciting times.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: S4VV4S on January 30, 2014, 11:07:09 AM
Any idea of when we can expect your license release????

Are any of your prototypes working?

Thanks :)


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 30, 2014, 03:46:38 PM
Any idea of when we can expect your license release????

Are any of your prototypes working?

Thanks :)

Look at the update just a few posts back gives you general idea where we are. Still waiting on an initial bring up board for the BitFury Wasp.

We will release licensing at the same time the gerbers, bom, software, firmware and hardware are working and we will know better on that come the meeting on Saturday.

A1/BitMain and BitFury Wasps release would come out nearly together if not together and we are hoping for better news this Saturday. We will post more on Sunday.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: S4VV4S on January 30, 2014, 03:54:30 PM
Any idea of when we can expect your license release????

Are any of your prototypes working?

Thanks :)

Look at the update just a few posts back gives you general idea where we are. Still waiting on an initial bring up board for the BitFury Wasp.

We will release licensing at the same time the gerbers, bom, software, firmware and hardware are working and we will know better on that come the meeting on Saturday.

A1/BitMain and BitFury Wasps release would come out nearly together if not together and we are hoping for better news this Saturday. We will post more on Sunday.

Thanks!

I am already watching this thread so can't wait for more good news :)


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 30, 2014, 04:05:26 PM
Any idea of when we can expect your license release????

Are any of your prototypes working?

Thanks :)

Look at the update just a few posts back gives you general idea where we are. Still waiting on an initial bring up board for the BitFury Wasp.

We will release licensing at the same time the gerbers, bom, software, firmware and hardware are working and we will know better on that come the meeting on Saturday.

A1/BitMain and BitFury Wasps release would come out nearly together if not together and we are hoping for better news this Saturday. We will post more on Sunday.

Thanks!

I am already watching this thread so can't wait for more good news :)

LOL :D Me too. I am not just a WPC member but I am a real fan of the project designers hell any engineers that do this sort of work really so many great ones in our community. The past few months of CAD design hell have really been painful to watch the EE go through and I am sure there are still some gremlins in the mix still to come but it be nice to have the next couple of meetings be all good news.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: nwoolls on January 30, 2014, 06:46:18 PM
Sounds like a very cool project....watching closely!  ;D


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Dabs on January 31, 2014, 03:32:37 AM
I got a dual miner, and it seems gridseed also makes those 5 chip round things with heatsinks. You need someone to contact them directly I guess. I'd do it, but I don't speak or understand any Chinese (Mandarin, Cantonese, etc.)

I'd like to see those on Wasps and Hives.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on January 31, 2014, 03:34:34 AM
I got a dual miner, and it seems gridseed also makes those 5 chip round things with heatsinks. You need someone to contact them directly I guess. I'd do it, but I don't speak or understand any Chinese (Mandarin, Cantonese, etc.)

I'd like to see those on Wasps and Hives.

Need chips not miners. No point unless someone has a line on the chips. At this point you need a Chinese contact to do that. Who is making these chips? In what quantity? Can we buy them now? Etc etc etc... Given the price as well these miners will not likely be any better than a GPU. If you got CHIPS we have the design. But even then who can make our miners with Gridseed chips not for sale anywhere? Seems more like a dream than anything Dabs. Unless you can find a chip pipeline for the whole community we can't really even consider it. We may have our own Scrypt miner solution but as we posted before that is months away.

Again our focus looks to be sha256 and given the Minion delays we would like to make a change for the 40nm Asicminer chip.

February onwards

A1's
BitMain's
BitFury's

March onwards

Asicminer 40nm's



Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: NicholasB54 on January 31, 2014, 07:50:11 PM
The future looks bright for miners - Wasps in the mine instead of canaries


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Dabs on February 01, 2014, 02:59:16 AM
The future looks bright for miners - Wasps in the mine instead of canaries

Canaries are needed. They die when the oxygen is too low (and you notice they stop singing.) Wasps, they buzz all day not knowing that you are already on an orphan or fork, or ... ok. maybe that's the wrong analogy.

Anyway, I emailed gridseed, but not expecting a reply until next week. Hopefully someone gets us a line to chips.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on February 01, 2014, 04:59:10 AM
Well if you can find a reasonable and stable supply of chips let us know.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on February 01, 2014, 12:00:41 PM
Groups:

    All Active Projects

Next Meeting:

    Saturday 8th February 2014

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Location:

    Teamspeak

Location Time:

    Seattle, USA 1030 PDT Saturday
    London, UK 1830 GMT Saturday
    Central Europe 1930 CET Saturday
    Jakarta, ID 0130 WIB Sunday

Reporting On

    All Projects Overview
    Wasp
    Hive
    Firmware & Software
    Website
    Mining Pool
    PR & Marketing
    License Fee
    Provisioning Server


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on February 03, 2014, 04:23:34 AM
Meeting Update:

Wasp

'The main take away from the last meeting is that the first boards dev-boards, will have a left column of 8 BitFury, middle column of 2 A1, and right column of 8 BitMain.' - Lead EE for the Wasp & Hive Project.

This will cut down on some of our development time to get to our prototype boards that will drop soon afterwards. Again video and pictures will be released when this board is actively working and testing. Note that all the components, including the ASIC chips are already in the EE's hands. This now is a matter of testing the dev-board design after it is populated and then moving on to separate prototype boards for A1 Wasp, BitFury Wasp and the BitMain Wasp.

More updates to come later on...

Hive
Firmware & Software
Website
Mining Pool
PR & Marketing
License Fee
Provisioning Server


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: southerngentuk on February 03, 2014, 04:39:50 AM
Meeting Update:

"The main take away from the last meeting are that the first boards dev-boards, will have a left column of 8 BitFury, middle column of 2 A1, and right column of 8 BitMain." - Lead EE for the Wasp & Hive Project.

This will cut down on some of our development time to get to our prototype boards that will drop soon afterwards. Again video and pictures will be released when this board is actively working and testing.

More updates later...

3 different chips on 1 board, WTF that will be awesome, I can't wait to see that.  ;D
Will be watching this thread more closely..


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on February 03, 2014, 09:07:31 AM
Wasp

Minion is out at least until May so the Asicminer 40nm 13 gh/s chip is in if we can get them. Gridseed possibly in but we would require the proper chips specs be available and sample chips in February for an early March production run possible for anyone with any substantial Gridseed chips volume if they are still interested.

Hive

Hive is a sandwiched dual board with power on one plane and signals on the other that is married together via connectors and stanchion stabilizers to increase rigidity but not impede airflow. A redesign is currently happening as well as a careful check to make sure our Wasps mate perfect to the Hive. This is necessary since the Hive is being designed in the UK and the Wasp is being designed in the US and both EE teams are cross checking each others designs for errors or potential problems in fabrication. Further shaving of the Hive boards has allowed more airflow in the redesign but we are reaching the limits where flexing of the board could be an issue on this beta version Hive.

Firmware & Software

Progress The Bitfury emulator based on the XMEGA is ready. The controller for the Bitfury (the MCU) is also in a good state. We have just settled on a workload for it, which will be in line with current approaches taken by others (ie, local work generation on the PC). I am currently working on hooking into existing codes, so that we don't have to write our own PC program for feeding the MCU. Once we're talking we will then implement the MCU logic to drive the Bitfury emulator from the data. But, of course, things can always jump up and bite you so we hope no major issues arise.

Website

Currently waiting on a member to update the website with the content we have currently but will be augmented with videos and pictures our work so far on the Wasp & Hive as well as the Pool Information. Waiting on another members to finish the Mining Pool and start on the internal share exchange for our members. We have a bips.me as a payment gateway working now and it will be integrated into the website.

Mining Pool

Two members are finishing the BackEnd+FrontEnd Coding for the pool and it is now going through security and full testing. A few members have offered 20 Gh/s+ to the pool for testing and our soft opening. We have potential customers in the order of 50 Th/s lined up for our hard opening

PR & Marketing

We will have a meeting for PR and Marketing this Friday.

License Fee

There were extensive discussions of the licensing fee at the meeting and it looks like we will be modeling two payment possibilities for fabricators and end users based on a percentage of the $ Gh/s pricing of chips. People will have the option to mine off the licensing fee or pay a flat fee. Flat fee will be slightly lower and available in USD or BTC.
  
Provisioning Server

Work continues on testing of the provisioning and licensing server and it is likely we will be on schedule for use on the Development Boards coming very soon.


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Other News

Many are interested in joining the WPC and we are keen to grow our ranks but before we can even start taking on new members the current membership has decided we need to set up our LLC and finalize our franchise / membership bylaws so that all members are required to sign on to agree to those terms before being a full member. This will take a number of weeks to finish so until then no new members will be added.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: joeventura on February 03, 2014, 06:10:50 PM
Congrats Bick, looks like you are all making great progress.



Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: erem on February 03, 2014, 06:17:45 PM
Great news. Looking forward to hear about working prototypes!


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on February 03, 2014, 06:21:31 PM
100 x A1 chips arrived just now in our Seattle EE's hands more than enough to build 2 complete Wasp Hive prototypes. First the Seahawks and now the chips Seattle is a great town!


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on February 04, 2014, 08:49:41 AM
Some good news out of Seahawkville.

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I'm making the adjustments to allow all three types of chip to run on the same board... needs a few more controllable regulators, some different coils, and a new footprint for the A1 - probably the hardest thing to do in the list. Spent today cleaning up the schematic, making the bill of materials consistent, and ordering the remaining parts that I had overlooked or added since three weeks ago.

Planning on Footprint next, then just wiggling it into the layout, and adjusting the high-current loops for low inductance. I will finish the layout of the LEDs, MCU, CPLD, and JTAG. If I get it done before the "shop" closing time, I'll take it down to the "shop" for a milled prototype, and use that to prove out the MCU, hotplug, and power controls before I send it off to the prototype fabricator, soon hopefully.

At that point, I'll spend that time getting the bringup tests written, and testing the new OS on the emulator. When the boards get back from the fab, I'll give them a once-over, and take a few to the shop to assemble (only partially, since they can't place the real fine- line stuff we're using with their old gear). Meanwhile, I'll have the parts kit completed (last few will arrive soon, suppliers are telling me), and I'll ship them all off to the assembler for a fast build of 4 or 5 demo proto boards.

It's getting close! - Lead EE


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: philipma1957 on February 05, 2014, 12:49:25 PM
I bookmarked this and will follow.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: valkir on February 06, 2014, 05:47:14 PM
Wow good job dude!

I will stay in touch. Want to see the prototype  ;D

For sure will buy if possible.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: pinkfloyd11 on February 07, 2014, 10:07:15 AM
Hello

I'm senior EE and would help you in your project.

Say me what I could do for help

Thanks


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on February 07, 2014, 01:23:44 PM
PinkFloyd11 please send me an email with a short profile. I will see what I can do to get you in the meeting tomorrow and see what we need moving forward on the Project. We are in need of Firmware work as we are looking to add a number of features over the coming months. In terms of hardware we might have a number of new chips to work on to develop into Wasps so another EE or two might be very much what we need moving forward but we can discuss that on Saturday.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: pinkfloyd11 on February 07, 2014, 07:03:44 PM
Hello
I have sent a PM but still not have received reply from you.
My email is gpezzella@yahoo.com
Thanks


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on February 08, 2014, 02:54:09 AM
Hello
I have sent a PM but still not have received reply from you.
My email is gpezzella@yahoo.com
Thanks

I sent you my email. Please contact me via email.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on February 09, 2014, 05:51:43 AM
Wasp

Rather than being a Wasp update this will read as a product review of Cadence software... long story short !@#$%^&*( shit is a nightmare and we are so deep into building up component libraries we don't have the time or resources to simply switch out. Our EE has, yet again, had to fight tooth and nail with the latest version of Allegro(OrCad) just to get a things back to where he started as the software seems to like to revert things back even after resolving specific problems in the design. So in an effort to cut out time we dropped a row off the design to make placement of traces easier and increased the length of the board nearly 2.5 cm. This has again delayed the bring up PCB board. We are trying a number of steps to see if we can port the design out with minimal issues to another software but via another EE while the original EE continues working on the existing software. At this point we are certain after getting done with Wasp Hive for the A1 / BitFury we will move to a new software.

Hive

The Hive will have modifications continuing in an effort to support the changes in the Wasp. The design should be ready in the coming week and we are looking at the fabrication cost of this unique design and should have an estimate coming in on this soon for this Beta version of the Hive.

Firmware & Software

Further tests have moved on manually feeding blocks to the emulator and it has been successful. EE's will work on two 'flavors' of the firmware.

Website

Currently the website is being tweaked for color and logos. A share exchange system is also being started this week.

Mining Pool

Back End & Front End Coding for the pool and it is still going through security and full testing. We are working on the DGM and possibly PPNLS if we are not happy with the DGM configuration after we live mining next week.

PR & Marketing

PR and Marketing is starting to add social media sites and to contact our fabrication partners or those interested. Please PM Beastlymac if you want to get on our newsletter / mailing list of fabricators. We want to keep you in the loop as we get close to testing the Wasp. We want to make sure that fabricators can start their fab as soon as possible after we have put out working designs.

License Fee

We are still refining pricing at this time taking into account the various types of chips and their pricing structures will figure into our fee pricing.
  
Provisioning Server

We are nearly done on the work for the server just waiting on the Wasp completion.

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Thanks to Pinkfloyd11, Lucko and VS3 for sitting in on the meeting on Saturday. We all hope we were good hosts and you were able to get the information you needed from the meeting.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Beastlymac on February 09, 2014, 07:26:19 AM
Please pm me your email address to be included on the list. Information going out to people soon.

Thanks


p.s. i will updated everyone with our social networking accounts soon. We can also be contacted on them. Thanks


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: jbcheng on February 10, 2014, 07:56:47 AM
Hi Bicknellski,

We are a young Australian team and want to develop the miners based on Bitmine A1. Can I buy your A1 project license?
My email address jb.chieng@gmail.com

Thanks

Jacob


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on February 10, 2014, 08:03:12 AM
As soon as we have working units and they are fabricated by you or other fabricators, then you can license those units with us. Just follow what Beastly said and he will keep you updated.

Please pm me your email address to be included on the list. Information going out to people soon.

Thanks


p.s. i will updated everyone with our social networking accounts soon. We can also be contacted on them. Thanks


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: bigbeninlondon on February 13, 2014, 02:47:09 PM
Just curious,

Will you be maintaining a list of vendors who have licensed your design so we know where to buy from?

Thanks!

Ben


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: bobsag3 on February 13, 2014, 03:18:36 PM
Just curious,

Will you be maintaining a list of vendors who have licensed your design so we know where to buy from?

Thanks!

Ben

I believe they are, yes.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on February 13, 2014, 04:54:53 PM
Just curious,

Will you be maintaining a list of vendors who have licensed your design so we know where to buy from?

Thanks!

Ben

We will do what we can on that front and let the community know who has licensed with us. Fabricators may pass licensing onto end users as well and we are prepared to  offer licenses to anyone that has a Wasp and Hive  in either case.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on February 18, 2014, 10:53:53 AM
Wasp


With issues still related to the Allegro PCB which are continually hounding the EE he has taken the step to cut out anything that could add time to the design, as it is hard to fight with this program version, he will put together a simplified 6 chip A1 board for bring up & prototyping rather than 3 different or 2 different chips on a single bring up board. This will not affect the Hive and other projects moving forward. We will see something from the fabricator this week hopefully and a full prototype to follow. Although these delays are really a software issue the members are keen on moving forward and we will do what we can to move from Cadence / Allegro PCB to something that isn't prone to kill weeks / months in fighting with the CAD.

More updates coming soon...


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: derpberp on February 21, 2014, 03:58:47 AM
This sounds like a very interesting project and I am interested in purchasing. I will keep this page bookmarked. Looking forward to seeing the prototype!


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on February 21, 2014, 12:39:38 PM
http://www.coindesk.com/gavin-andresen-bitcoin-companies-support-open-source/ (http://www.coindesk.com/gavin-andresen-bitcoin-companies-support-open-source/)

Quote
Lead developer Gavin Andresen chided the commercial bitcoin community for not getting involved enough in core bitcoin development and testing this week. In a mail to the bitcoin developers list updating the community on some bug fixes in the code, he called companies out for not giving back.

Time to give back?

But the community has to play ball, Andresen said, by helping to test the fixes out, rather than just running services on top of the latest version of the code and hoping that the team had fixed problems for them.

“Or, in other words: do not treat the core development team as if we were a commercial company that sold you a software library,” he wrote. “That is not how open source works; if you are making a profit using the software, you are expected to help develop, debug, test, and review it.”


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And in design news we have a little Wasp P0rn, buck regulator close up we can see light at the end of the design tunnel.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/buck-controller_zps02b20aea.png


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: topminingcontracts on February 22, 2014, 09:58:32 PM
We are interested in support the project and to buy miners.

Please let us know how we can help.

All the best!


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on February 23, 2014, 08:14:09 AM
Thanks!

Please contact Beastlymac via PM he will put you on the list to keep you in the loop on when we expect to release the gerbers and the BOM as well as the firmware and software to run the miners. Note that we are merely licensing our miners out others are producing these for the marketplace. If you would like to sit in at next weeks meeting with the EE and the rest of the WPC then contact Beastlymac and he can arrange it.

Our meeting yesterday was somewhat fruitful but there will be weeks not days until we have something to show that is production worthy. It seems many who are producing their own variants of the A1 miners are running into any number of issues with power and the PCB layout. It is a tricky one this mofo that anyone doing a design can atest to. From what I can surmise the only one that has "shipped" an A1 product based miner is Marto74. It goes without saying that this build will tax any team. Our issues haven't been with the hardware and getting it to work but getting our CAD software to play nice.

Our latest revision means a much more conservative 4 chip board, this simplifies our design work and time to fab prototypes, put into a 8 slot backplane for a 800 Gh/s machine that can be enclosed in a 4U size unit. We are looking at an 4 week hard date to get these units done because the EE is taking some much needed vacation time in the tropics! We are also going to do a revision after we get this initial miner done with a larger 6 chip board into the the 8 slot backplane for 1200 Gh/s machine. Multiple server PSU's will be required especially for the 1.2 Th/s rig. We are also contemplating an Ice Wasp module for cooling. We are hopeful that we will soon enough have some hardware to touch taste and feel as well as send to the Firmware team members for to work on that.

The reasoning behind a more conservative chip number per board is simply an inductance issue and where adding more  chips to our design and limited space doesn't play well. We have opted for a modular design so that we can adjust board sizes accordingly but ultimately we are looking at the black arrow and future chips that will require more power in the same square footage and that means we have to make allowances in our current design for future chips without having to change too much other than the chip traces. Anyhow we are happy that some of our CAD issues seems to have cleared up and we are back on track after losing weeks and nearly a month to CAD crashes etc.

As far as the provision server and licensing we are close to having that being tested in emulated form soon as well. Our website is waiting for that to be completed and then our pool is still being tweaked and revised and we hope to have that available to public this month.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: ZBC3 on February 23, 2014, 02:31:13 PM

How are you getting that much hashing power out of so few bitfury chips?

I

BitFury Wasp Prototype

16 to 24 chips  for 300 gh/s to 440 gh/s depending on the configuration.
+  4U Server configuration
+  Design for the power on the Wasp currently being down so 3d renders for the prototype are a week away.
+  By December the prototype testing video should be out.
+  By December the prototypes shipped to a datacenter for longer term testing and troubleshooting.
+  The DIY & Licenced Production could start as early as January for these units should there be a market for them.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on February 24, 2014, 09:22:45 AM

How are you getting that much hashing power out of so few bitfury chips?

I

BitFury Wasp Prototype

+  16 to 24 chips  for 300 gh/s to 440 gh/s depending on the configuration.
+  4U Server configuration
+  Design for the power on the Wasp currently being down so 3d renders for the prototype are a week away.
+  By December the prototype testing video should be out.
+  By December the prototypes shipped to a datacenter for longer term testing and troubleshooting.
+  The DIY & Licenced Production could start as early as January for these units should there be a market for them.


We are using A1 Chips. No bitfury chips currently in our design we had to shelve the multiple chip design for the prototypes and go with the A1s as we have that as priority for the WPC have chips in hand and we need them made into miners ASAP. We have lost weeks fighting with the CAD software so we have had to drop a few things to get things done sooner. We will probably revisit and build a Bitfury Wasp if chips go back on sale. Still none to see right?


4 Chip 4U Modular Design

25 gh/s per chip.

4 chips per Wasp.

8 Wasps per Hive.

32 chips x 25 Gh/s = 800 Gh/s estimate 4U (Our module holds the Hive and the Wasps and will fit 4U.)


6 Chip 5U Modular Design

25 Gh/s per chip.

6 chips per Wasp.

8 Wasps per Hive.

48 chips x 25 Gh/s = 1200 Gh/s.

We are looking to work on the "modules" and an Ice Wasp that could potentially allow for overclocking up to the 40 Gh/s if we can keep the Wasps cool enough. We will keep everyone informed as we proceed with that. We are still keen on getting hold of Black Arrow chips and work those into our larger 5U Wasp concept.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: xzempt on February 25, 2014, 08:50:19 PM
megabigpower.com just added chips for $15 each,    2700 available....   still refuse to price 25ghs hashing boads according to difficulty and other miners on the market.....     just ordered 2 more antminers with the money i had ear marked for bitfury expansion....



 8)


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on February 26, 2014, 04:50:00 AM
megabigpower.com just added chips for $15 each,    2700 available....   still refuse to price 25ghs hashing boads according to difficulty and other miners on the market.....     just ordered 2 more antminers with the money i had ear marked for bitfury expansion....



 8)

Ya 15$ is too high really. Was hoping to see a proper discount. We don't need to order chips we have enough to prototype a Wasp after we are done with the A1. If more chips are still available in March we will probably have a BitFury Wasp available but not sure how many people will be interested in building those. Antminer is certainly cleaning up. Shipping as soon as you pay the way it has to be.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: S4VV4S on February 27, 2014, 08:41:42 AM
megabigpower.com just added chips for $15 each,    2700 available....   still refuse to price 25ghs hashing boads according to difficulty and other miners on the market.....     just ordered 2 more antminers with the money i had ear marked for bitfury expansion....



 8)

Ya 15$ is too high really. Was hoping to see a proper discount. We don't need to order chips we have enough to prototype a Wasp after we are done with the A1. If more chips are still available in March we will probably have a BitFury Wasp available but not sure how many people will be interested in building those. Antminer is certainly cleaning up. Shipping as soon as you pay the way it has to be.

Have you guys tried getting your hands on Bitmain Antminer chips????
It would be nice if you could use them in your project as well :)


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on February 27, 2014, 02:15:38 PM
megabigpower.com just added chips for $15 each,    2700 available....   still refuse to price 25ghs hashing boads according to difficulty and other miners on the market.....     just ordered 2 more antminers with the money i had ear marked for bitfury expansion....



 8)

Ya 15$ is too high really. Was hoping to see a proper discount. We don't need to order chips we have enough to prototype a Wasp after we are done with the A1. If more chips are still available in March we will probably have a BitFury Wasp available but not sure how many people will be interested in building those. Antminer is certainly cleaning up. Shipping as soon as you pay the way it has to be.

Have you guys tried getting your hands on Bitmain Antminer chips????
It would be nice if you could use them in your project as well :)

I believe price and quantity was an issue. Again though we will work on anything into a wasp if there are reasonable prices and quantities of ASICs available.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: loshia on February 27, 2014, 02:33:45 PM

I believe price and quantity was an issue. Again though we will work on anything into a wasp if there are reasonable prices and quantities of ASICs available.
Bicknellski ,

There is no such thing like reasonable prices and quantities in ASIC world.  This is monopoly. I can fully understand how big and risky the investment to manufacture a single ASIC chip is. But i can not understand the demand. We are ready to pay any price like it is a drug and our life depends on it. And unless we as community act as one and refuse to pay ridiculous margins to chip suppliers nothing will change. I am trying to say that you have to be prepared to work on everything upfront with loss in terms of time and money invested. Then wait for your moment to come.

I wish you and your project success.
For instance take some Bitfury and avalon 2 chips. According to rumors next gen is coming which will be almost equal to old gens in terms of communication and pin out. Do you design test it. Make sure that it works and be prepared not to discover the wheel when you need to act fast. As long as you are going to make some profit from your know how as long as we pay the chip price it is not your concern.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on February 27, 2014, 02:42:23 PM

I believe price and quantity was an issue. Again though we will work on anything into a wasp if there are reasonable prices and quantities of ASICs available.
Bicknellski ,

There is no such thing like reasonable prices and quantities in ASIC world.  This is monopoly. I can fully understand how big and risky the investment to manufacture a single ASIC chip is. But i can not understand the demand. We are ready to pay any price like it is a drug and our life depends on it. And unless we as community act as one and refuse to pay ridiculous margins to chip suppliers nothing will change. I am trying to say that you have to be prepared to work on everything upfront with loss in terms of time invested and money. Then wait for your moment to come.

I wish you and your project success.

Thanks,

There is reasonable there is price gouging. We might agree on the idea of "monopoly" if there was only one fabricator of ASIC chips. We are working on everything upfront. The designs we release are our best efforts to get boards married to ASICs that give the best value given the market. There really is no reason to fabricate 110nm Avalon Gen I Wasps given there is no ready supply of chips. What is left of the community at this point of DIYers need to pool resources and build an ASIC chip that is Open Source so that we can continue working on miners. Otherwise the "monopolies" will continue.

Chip prices are our concern. WPC members are very concerned and they will be interested in making boards locally. So as a design team we want to make sure that the WPC members and the community get the best deal they can. There is really no reason to build with chips that are over priced unless someone wants to forward chips to us and then we can make miners fit that chip. Given the difficulty that Bitmine is having say with the A1 it is interesting that our alternative open source designs or others could be used to bolster their own stable of miners. We are not just dumping designs on the market we are keen as members in the WPC to be active in cloud mining, pools as well as miner design which means we look at chip prices and adapt to the market.

First and foremost this is not about the profit at this point. We are looking to start with a design that will change the way miners are brought to market. We are not racing to be first with an A1 because there are some pretty nasty pitfalls pushing these chips to boards without a few respins of the boards. You I am sure are aware of this with Marto's boards and watching what Bitmine is going through with their boards. We are not releasing anything until we are happy and are ready to put our own A1 chips we purchased on our boards. This being our first run is challenging but our goal is not a single one off board as you well know we are looking at the Black Arrow chips coming out and we have lines on other chips not even being discussed in this forum as well.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: loshia on February 27, 2014, 03:00:46 PM

I believe price and quantity was an issue. Again though we will work on anything into a wasp if there are reasonable prices and quantities of ASICs available.
Bicknellski ,

There is no such thing like reasonable prices and quantities in ASIC world.  This is monopoly. I can fully understand how big and risky the investment to manufacture a single ASIC chip is. But i can not understand the demand. We are ready to pay any price like it is a drug and our life depends on it. And unless we as community act as one and refuse to pay ridiculous margins to chip suppliers nothing will change. I am trying to say that you have to be prepared to work on everything upfront with loss in terms of time invested and money. Then wait for your moment to come.

I wish you and your project success.

There is reasonable there is price gouging. We might agree on the idea of "monopoly" if there was only one fabricator of ASIC chips. We are working on everything upfront. The designs we release are our best efforts to get boards married to ASICs that give the best value given the market. There really is no reason to fabricate 110nm Avalon Gen I Wasps given there is no ready supply of chips. What is left of the community at this point of DIYers need to pool resources and build an ASIC chip that is Open Source so that we can continue working on miners. Otherwise the "monopolies" will continue.

Chip prices are our concern. WPC members are very concerned and they will be interested in making boards locally. So as a design team we want to make sure that the WPC members and the community get the best deal they can. There is really no reason to build with chips that are over priced unless someone wants to forward chips to us and then we can make miners fit that chip. Given the difficulty that Bitmine is having say with the A1 it is interesting that our alternative open source designs or others could be used to bolster their own stable of miners. We are not just dumping designs on the market we are keen as members in the WPC to be active in cloud mining, pools as well as miner design which means we look at chip prices and adapt to the market.
Sounds great expect "Chip prices are our concern" unless you are not planning to be an asic manufacturer.
I am looking closely to chip prices - Bitfury gen1 chips 3GH top 17 USD if i recall correctly the info from yesterday. Great adaption. Avalon2 2500/13BTC = 0.0052 each x 580 USD = 3USD for 1.8 GH BTC ROI is 6 weeks away just to pay chip price
And so on.



Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on February 27, 2014, 03:03:54 PM

I believe price and quantity was an issue. Again though we will work on anything into a wasp if there are reasonable prices and quantities of ASICs available.
Bicknellski ,

There is no such thing like reasonable prices and quantities in ASIC world.  This is monopoly. I can fully understand how big and risky the investment to manufacture a single ASIC chip is. But i can not understand the demand. We are ready to pay any price like it is a drug and our life depends on it. And unless we as community act as one and refuse to pay ridiculous margins to chip suppliers nothing will change. I am trying to say that you have to be prepared to work on everything upfront with loss in terms of time invested and money. Then wait for your moment to come.

I wish you and your project success.

There is reasonable there is price gouging. We might agree on the idea of "monopoly" if there was only one fabricator of ASIC chips. We are working on everything upfront. The designs we release are our best efforts to get boards married to ASICs that give the best value given the market. There really is no reason to fabricate 110nm Avalon Gen I Wasps given there is no ready supply of chips. What is left of the community at this point of DIYers need to pool resources and build an ASIC chip that is Open Source so that we can continue working on miners. Otherwise the "monopolies" will continue.

Chip prices are our concern. WPC members are very concerned and they will be interested in making boards locally. So as a design team we want to make sure that the WPC members and the community get the best deal they can. There is really no reason to build with chips that are over priced unless someone wants to forward chips to us and then we can make miners fit that chip. Given the difficulty that Bitmine is having say with the A1 it is interesting that our alternative open source designs or others could be used to bolster their own stable of miners. We are not just dumping designs on the market we are keen as members in the WPC to be active in cloud mining, pools as well as miner design which means we look at chip prices and adapt to the market.
Sounds great expect "Chip prices are our concern" unless you are not planning to be an asic manufacturer.
I am looking closely to chip prices - Bitfury gen1 chips 3GH top 17 USD if i recall correctly the info from yesterday. Great adaption. Avalon2 2500/13BTC = 0.0052 each x 580 USD = 3USD for 1.8 GH BTC ROI is 6 weeks away just to pay chip price
And so on.



Avalon Gen II not really that cost effective, BitFury at 17 USD is not the best pricing as I said we were hoping for something that was more competitive. $ per GH/s is the coming down but these "old" chips certainly haven't really come down enough have they to meet what say the Minion or A1 chips costs or have I missed the numbers? We have Bitfury chips and will make a BitFury Wasp after we clear the A1 off the decks first. And as I edited you may have missed it we are also in talks for chips that are not even on the radar here in BitCointalk land so we prefer to move forward rather than look backward at chips that are no longer price point or efficiency competitive. Asicminers potentially new chips might be great as well but let us see if they release or sell those.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: loshia on February 27, 2014, 03:06:43 PM

I believe price and quantity was an issue. Again though we will work on anything into a wasp if there are reasonable prices and quantities of ASICs available.
Bicknellski ,

There is no such thing like reasonable prices and quantities in ASIC world.  This is monopoly. I can fully understand how big and risky the investment to manufacture a single ASIC chip is. But i can not understand the demand. We are ready to pay any price like it is a drug and our life depends on it. And unless we as community act as one and refuse to pay ridiculous margins to chip suppliers nothing will change. I am trying to say that you have to be prepared to work on everything upfront with loss in terms of time invested and money. Then wait for your moment to come.

I wish you and your project success.

There is reasonable there is price gouging. We might agree on the idea of "monopoly" if there was only one fabricator of ASIC chips. We are working on everything upfront. The designs we release are our best efforts to get boards married to ASICs that give the best value given the market. There really is no reason to fabricate 110nm Avalon Gen I Wasps given there is no ready supply of chips. What is left of the community at this point of DIYers need to pool resources and build an ASIC chip that is Open Source so that we can continue working on miners. Otherwise the "monopolies" will continue.

Chip prices are our concern. WPC members are very concerned and they will be interested in making boards locally. So as a design team we want to make sure that the WPC members and the community get the best deal they can. There is really no reason to build with chips that are over priced unless someone wants to forward chips to us and then we can make miners fit that chip. Given the difficulty that Bitmine is having say with the A1 it is interesting that our alternative open source designs or others could be used to bolster their own stable of miners. We are not just dumping designs on the market we are keen as members in the WPC to be active in cloud mining, pools as well as miner design which means we look at chip prices and adapt to the market.
Sounds great expect "Chip prices are our concern" unless you are not planning to be an asic manufacturer.
I am looking closely to chip prices - Bitfury gen1 chips 3GH top 17 USD if i recall correctly the info from yesterday. Great adaption. Avalon2 2500/13BTC = 0.0052 each x 580 USD = 3USD for 1.8 GH BTC ROI is 6 weeks away just to pay chip price
And so on.



Avalon Gen II not really that cost effective, BitFury at 17 USD is not the best pricing as I said we were hoping for something that was more competitive. $ per GH/s is the coming down but these "old" chips certainly haven't really come down enough have they to meet what say the Minion or A1 chips costs or have I missed the numbers? We have Bitfury chips and will make a BitFury Wasp after we clear the A1 off the decks first.
Wise ;)


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on February 27, 2014, 03:07:47 PM
Wasp Update:

Board is completed. We have moved to onto the thieving tests and layout.

Example of Thieving:

http://i.stack.imgur.com/1xsTI.png

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Copper dots (or grid/solid fill) are used mainly to balance the thermal properties of the board, 
to minimize twist and warp as the board goes through the thermal cycling associated with reflow and
improving yield.

A secondary purpose for them is to reduce the amount of copper that needs to be etched away
from the board, balancing the etching rates across the board and helping to make the etching solution
last longer.

If the PCB designer did not explicitly "pour" copper fill into the open areas of the board's outer layers,
the fabrication house will often add the small disconnected dots, because these will have the least effect
on the electrical properties of the board.

The reaction rate of any etching process is limited by local current densities, access of the reactants into
the reaction area and clearance of the reaction products away from the reaction area. Since board etching
is essentially a planar or two dimensional process this places further limits on etching performance with
reactant delivery and reaction products actively interfering with each other for access to the surface.

While always present in processes, where the problem arises is in the differential etch rates across the board.
This can cause thin traces to be etched at a different rate than wider traces. For example, etching a relief
from around a fine trace within a background of a ground plane is very different in loading than etching a
thin trace with no background ground plane.

This can be corrected for by ensuring that in the design the pattern density remains fairly constant per
unit area across the board. Thieving is one way to do this. Some manufacturers will actually place
sacrificial elements within the tanks and along side the board to ensure proper yield of different line
thicknesses.

Mixing and agitation of the tanks during etch will also help mitigate the differential etch issues.

Then the EE will get in contact with Orcad to ensure that the negative plane ground remains out of the edge connector area, and ensure that all the ground vias are in fact connecting. Pictures of the Wasp design will be forthcoming after this is done meaning we will have bring up boards soon.

Although this has been a long and hard process we are happy that our EE team has finally got something to produce and if it weren't for the latest buggy version of Orcard/Allegro we would have been here 3 possibly 4 weeks ago. There is still plenty to do firmware wise as well as testing prototype boards but we are optimistic we have turned the corner and will move our A1 chips into our own production prototype run miners for the WPC. Meaning we will be releasing the designs for licensing at the same time. We will update more on this next week after our meeting on Saturday. We hope to get a few things working like our website and WPC pool next week or the week after.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 01, 2014, 09:13:28 AM
Latest WPC Update:

Initial bring up boards are on order.
The EE is also doing a local bring up board to be fabbed on Sunday in Seattle.
WPC Pool is nearly done should be ready for soft opening next week.
Website & Provisioning Server will be tested this coming week ready to roll out as soon as the design and software / firmware is ready for public download.


Wasp P0rn:

Note this image taken from the Wasp 2 x A1 gerbers bring up board that will be used for SW/FW development.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/Wasp1_zpsa0549ff3.png

Hive P0rn:

Note that the Hive has changed somewhat this is an older version of the beta design but you can see the modular bracing concept.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/Hive1_zpsc67de360.png


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Micky25 on March 01, 2014, 12:21:45 PM
Great project and progress. Well managed. I wish you all the very best!


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bit-Tech on March 01, 2014, 01:46:19 PM
Great progress guys , whats the prospects of overclocking the A1 on your existing design ?


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 01, 2014, 03:34:45 PM
Great progress guys , whats the prospects of overclocking the A1 on your existing design ?

Two factors for anyone overclocking any A1 designed board.

You must cool it.
The design must account for impedance and where possible in the design provide "controlled impedance".

At this point anyone that can overclock an A1 design, must provide both a substantial solution in terms of cooling and must address the issue with impedance in the traces.

We will know how well we have done on the issue of impedance after proper testing of the Wasp and it will probably need some or a lot of rework of the board to improve this characteristic.

We do not have a water block or immersion cooling solution yet and that is something we are tempted to resolve before the Black Arrow Minion Wasp is developed but we will see. So in short no this design won't be overclocking unless we have a cooling solution even if we get the impedance characteristics set perfectly, at least that is my current understanding and I will be listening carefully at the meeting in a few hours for any insight into this area. My feeling is any chips like the A1 or Minion etc will require these things to ever "overclock".

http://www.pcbdesign007.com/pages/zone.cgi?a=79869

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What is Trace Impedance and Why Do We Care?
Wednesday, October 26, 2011 | Douglas Brooks, PhD.


Background

All wires and traces have impedance and offer a moderate impedance to the current flowing
from a driver. That seems like an astounding sentence given that (1) most wires and traces
are made from copper, and (2) copper has the second-lowest resistivity of any known element
(see Note 1.) Copper wires and traces seem almost like perfect conductors. After all, if you
place an ohm meter across a trace, the DC resistance is extremely low. We almost always
ignore it in circuit calculations.

But impedance, of course, is an AC characteristic. That is, impedance is related to frequency.
Resistance is not. So what we mean is that wires and traces present an AC impedance to the
drivers driving them (see Note 2.) It is generally true (but not always) that from a practical
sense the rise time of our signals must be relatively fast before this impedance becomes an issue.
But the fact that trace impedance exists at all must be taken as a given.

So when we hear the term “controlled impedance” trace, our first confusion might come from
the question: Why does a trace have any impedance at all? And if it does, what does it mean
that we somehow control it?

Nature of Trace Impedance

So how is it that a trace has a potentially significant AC impedance? Well, we can develop the
argument like this:

Every trace has series inductance. It is distributed along the trace and is inversely related to
the cross-sectional area of the trace. It is admittedly small, but it is non-zero. Therefore, for
fast enough rise times, the impedance it offers can be significant.

Every trace has capacitance between the trace and the return path of the signal on the trace,
wherever that return path might be. It is distributed (see Note 3) and is related to the width
(or diameter) of the trace and to the dielectric of the material(s) between the trace and the
signal return path. It is inversely related to the distance to the return path. It is admittedly small,
but it is non-zero. Therefore, for fast enough rise times, the impedance it offers can be significant.
It is the current path through this capacitance that allows current to flow as the signal propagates
along the trace (see Note 4.)

If we assume that any trace resistance is small in relation to this distributed inductance and
capacitance (a reasonable assumption unless we want to talk about lossy transmission lines),
then we see that every trace looks like a distributed LC circuit to the driver driving it. The (AC)
impedance of the trace derives from this distributed LC circuit (Note 5.)

Unless we have carefully designed the trace and its environment, this AC impedance is “uncontrolled.”
That is, the distributed inductance and capacitance can (and probably does) vary in value from point
to point along the trace. Therefore, the AC impedance varies from point to point along the trace.
In a great many cases this impedance is of no consequence and we ignore it.

There are a few cases where control over this impedance is important. For us board designers this is
usually when we want to make the trace look like a transmission line (so we can terminate it in its
characteristic impedance to avoid reflections.) When we do this we have designed a “controlled
impedance” trace or a “controlled impedance” transmission line. This is in contrast to the
“uncontrolled” situation referred to in point 4 above.

Controlled Impedance

“Controlled impedance” in this context means that the impedance is constant at every point along the trace.
The primary way we control the impedance of a wire or trace is to control its geometry and its environment.
There are three primary (and one secondary) aspects to the overall geometry that must be controlled:

The width of the trace
The spacing between the signal trace and the signal return path (This is one reason why we use planes,
it makes control over this spacing much easier.)
The relative dielectric coefficient of the material that surrounds the trace, and
(Secondarily) the thickness of the trace.
Coaxial cables are excellent examples of controlled impedance transmission lines where these variables
are tightly controlled. The old “twin lead” cables are also examples of controlled impedance transmission lines.

“Controlled impedance” does not imply that these aspects cannot change along the trace. It means that the
important relationship between them must not change. For example, if we change the width of a trace, then
at least one other aspect must also change in order to maintain the correct overall relationship between the four aspects (and therefore maintain a constant impedance).

Scaling

It is not often clear to designers that the overall scaling of a trace can change without changing its
impedance. For example, consider a microstrip trace with the following stackup:

W  = 10  mils
Th  = 1 oz.
H  = 12 mils above the plane
Er = 4.3 below the trace
Er = 1.0 (air) above the trace
Zo = 73.8 ohms

The characteristic impedance of this trace is 73.8 Ohms according to the Polar Instruments Quicksolver calculator (see Note 6).

The above trace will have the same impedance as one whose dimensions are exactly half:

W  = 5  mils
Th  = .5 oz.
H  = 6 mils above the plane
Er = 4.3 below the trace
Er = 1.0 (air) above the trace
Zo = 73.8 ohms

One way to envision why this is so is to look at the electromagnetic field surrounding each of these traces.
Mentor Graphic’s HyperLynx simulation tool is one tool that will give an “image” of the field surrounding
a trace. Such a field is shown in Figure 1.


http://www.pcbdesign007.com/articlefiles/79869-doug%20oct1.jpg

Figure 1. Note the electromagnetic field lines around the traces. (Source: HyperLynx Simulation Tool)

Etc... you can read the whole article if you like but that is what our EE is going to be working on as soon as he has the Wasps back from the fab.



Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: btmtb on March 01, 2014, 03:49:38 PM
Thanks for the insightful updates Bicknellski, one of the most interesting parts of the project so far for me is the EE insight (not to undersell the ground breaking concept that may level the playing field for hardware dev).


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 01, 2014, 04:00:45 PM
I am no EE. I am just trying to clarify in my own mind what has been happening with the A1 chip as it pertains to our designs. After months of meetings there is one thing that has always been a point of consciousness in a Wasp design for the A1, and will be there as well for the future chips,  is to keep careful control over the copper traces and the distances between the power going through the trace to the chip to keep impedance in check as much as we can. I can see that Bitmine and others have struggled a lot with this and that is certainly going to be an issue for any 28nm chip and we are going to have to do some tweaking obviously as everyone else has had to do with the PCB. There is a lot of power going through some pretty tiny traces. We are looking at the limits of the technology for the PCB and laying out copper because the pads on the A1 chip are particularly fine and we even caught an issue with that prior to the chips being made and reported that to Bitmine. We are particularly concerned that we are contacting military / avionics PCB makers to see what we can learn about the limits of our own design and may build a few boards for our prototypes that are little "overspec" to see if that may help. Maybe something coming out of those meetings might deliver a Wasp that can overcome some of the current limits imposed by the size of the traces.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 02, 2014, 06:04:09 AM
TLDR Meeting Notes:

    1. Provisioning server will be ready when Wasp & Hive has working units to license.

    2. Wasp prototypes designs being reviewed at fabricator and we will be shipping boards out to FW/SW team as soon as they leave the fabricator.

    3. EE will be electrical testing a bring up board as soon as Monday or Tuesday. Full on prototype boards are likely ready after confirmation of these tests.

    4. Hive is ready for prototype run and pricing for limited production has been determined. Production of the beta Hive will happen next week.

    5. SW / FW will need the new boards to continue testing but significant progress has been made on our emulators.

    6. Website, Memberships, Licensing Fees, Share Exchange to use Open Cart and integrated into the website for consumers and WPC members.

    7. WPC Pool will be ready for a soft opening on Monday skinning will be continue and revisions to be added later.

    8. Licensing Fees will be finalized in a meeting on Tuesday or Wednesday.

    9. We will have a PR/Marketing and Administrative meeting on Friday March 7th. As more media is produced more information will be released via our website and this thread.

    10. We will continue working on the 90% completed BitFury Wasp while the A1 Wasp will get 99% of our effort. BitFury Wasps should follow soon on the heels of the A1.

    11. Cooling solutions need to be PCB and Firmware related first to lower these potential problems in the packaged limitations of the A1 chips and then we will find a real cooling solution that would help our Wasps maintain a constant temperature profile so that cycling is greatly reduced thus increasing the lifespan of the Miners.



Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Lucko on March 02, 2014, 04:41:47 PM


Note this image taken from the Wasp 2 x A1 gerbers bring up board that will be used for SW/FW development.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/Wasp1_zpsa0549ff3.png
This might be a shot in the dark but I don't think this is a metal core design... Or is it? Or did you change that. As far as I know you talked about metal core in meetings...


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 02, 2014, 05:50:38 PM
I think that is correct as we are looking at metal core or even metal slugs with the chip solder direct on it acting as a direct heat sink getting rid of the vias entirely. We will have more on this as we get more info from the avionics fabricators. The bring up boards being made today in Seattle are bog standard pcb just a proof that the electrical is sound.



Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Lucko on March 02, 2014, 09:11:16 PM
OK so this is just a test board and it is not metal core...


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 03, 2014, 08:35:22 AM
OK so this is just a test board and it is not metal core...

The first few will be non-metal just to make sure we have everything working properly before we do our own lot of A1 chips into miners for the WPC and the fact the EE is building these by hand at a local fab that doesn't really have latest state of the art machines etc that the final production boards will have. This is a time saver as well to get us up and working on the Wasp initially. We have all our parts in hand in fact we have had them in hand since December if I am not mistaken.

The next respin of the Wasp will have metal core or at least some sort of solution so that we are not crying weeks or months later when we push a few of these Wasps with different cooling options trying to get the most out the chip and the A1's fail, that won't be something we want to be repairing. We will obviously give detailed information what we have put together in our gerbers and bom for everyone. We have priced out metal core boards and that I think added about $3 to $5 more per board. So if that translates into higher hash rates for longer then we think that is reasonable cost as we do not want to do be doing RMA work for chip failures.

These A1 Wasps are really going to be the test bed for our future Wasps using say the Minion or other chips. The package employed by the Minion seems to be more of a standard package to get heat out of the chips and less prone to temperature fluctuations issues that could happen with the A1's. So if we can get the A1 to work optimally with a longer lifespan the we suspect that future chips on Wasps will behave very well. Before we get to the Minion we will be working on the BitFury Wasp as well which is 90% to 95% completed in design.

More news coming this week and I will post as soon as I hear more out of Seattle. I am hopeful some flashing lights and a short video of the Wasp will be ready as well. And any PCB EE's out there keen on working with our team feel free to contact me directly as we are still looking for more engineers in hardware, software and firmware to join the WPC.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: btmtb on March 03, 2014, 09:46:56 AM

... We have priced out metal core boards and that I think added about $3 to $5 more per board. So if that translates into higher hash rates for longer then we think that is reasonable cost as we do not want to do be doing RMA work for chip failures...

From a consumer point of view I would bet that additional cost would be insignificant, even when marked up, when you consider the cost of the devices and even the cost of carriage is likely to be substantially more than that upgrade.

It would be interesting, once the project gets a volume of hardware to market and given that you're looking at specifying a more industrial grade of product. If the ASIC fabricators would be willing to formalise a package-form to allow socketing rather than needing complete new blades. But that's quite far down the line I suppose.

At the moment, from the early concepts, I have this mental image of each blade being like a Pentium II/III processors (if you remember those), where it stands off from the motherboard and is pretty much a heatsink cartridge around a small board with chip mounted. Might be worth seeing how they handled these concerns? I know you've probably already considered this because you've said previously that you want the wasps/blades will be able to run independent of the hive, and having the chips as plugins themselves would take more of the control work off the blade and back to the hive which would mean they don't run independently.

I know everyone has an opinion and not everyone is an EE, so take these suggestions with a pinch of salt, I'm just finding the discussion very informative and the project fascinating.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 03, 2014, 10:05:31 AM

... We have priced out metal core boards and that I think added about $3 to $5 more per board. So if that translates into higher hash rates for longer then we think that is reasonable cost as we do not want to do be doing RMA work for chip failures...

From a consumer point of view I would bet that additional cost would be insignificant, even when marked up, when you consider the cost of the devices and even the cost of carriage is likely to be substantially more than that upgrade.

It would be interesting, once the project gets a volume of hardware to market and given that you're looking at specifying a more industrial grade of product. If the ASIC fabricators would be willing to formalise a package-form to allow socketing rather than needing complete new blades. But that's quite far down the line I suppose.

At the moment, from the early concepts, I have this mental image of each blade being like a Pentium II/III processors (if you remember those), where it stands off from the motherboard and is pretty much a heatsink cartridge around a small board with chip mounted. Might be worth seeing how they handled these concerns? I know you've probably already considered this because you've said previously that you want the wasps/blades will be able to run independent of the hive, and having the chips as plugins themselves would take more of the control work off the blade and back to the hive which would mean they don't run independently.

I know everyone has an opinion and not everyone is an EE, so take these suggestions with a pinch of salt, I'm just finding the discussion very informative and the project fascinating.

For us in terms of re-doing the wheel each new chip that comes down the pipe we are fine with that variation given our design concept we don't need a lot of component changes just a reworking of the space around the footprint of the chip. We know that ASIC fabricators won't get on board with a single socket design that be too easy right? And the design is collective effort and has had back and forth on a lot of these issues to finally arrive at the current design. We are always open to ideas though that could benefit the project overall. One of the EE's was involved in the very first Intel chip designs so yes I am sure he is familiar with all of those sort of solutions.

In terms of the Hive it is really only there to push the power to the Wasp and provide consolidated data transfer it is a very basic modular set up. In terms of loading more on the Hive that is possible but we will have to see how this all shakes out after the first runs. We benefit from having a modular Hive in that cooling could be modular as well. Be it a unit inclusive of the Hive or individualized cooling for each Wasp. Personally I am partial to a http://www.iceotope.com/ configuration.

http://www.iceotope.com/assets/images/bgs/science.png

But considering the cost involved a immersion bath system like the guys at Asicminer in HK could be a better solution. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZavKweMrP4 from Allied Control.

Then again maybe the Minion and the BitFury Wasps could "overclock" in air if you have the right fan heatsink PCB combo. Who knows... but there are quite a few of us in the WPC that are itching to get our hands on some of the Wasps to see what "aftermarket" cooling we can do to them.

A newer version of the module Hive will be out when the Wasps are ready. We are also really keen to work with fabricators on casing / cooling so maybe someone really wants to work on that in tandem with us.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/Hive1_zpsc67de360.png


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Lucko on March 04, 2014, 06:29:21 PM
Is there some data so we can start looking for quotes. Like material, layers, minimal trace, thickness of the copper and so on...

Today I was talking with my PCB place and I have a question. How many layers is there. 1? I was told that metal core board can't be made in more then 1 layers and that there are only 2 or 3 companys in the world that can do 2 layers... Is that the case or there was something lost in translation...


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: darkfriend77 on March 04, 2014, 07:33:09 PM
Is there some data so we can start looking for quotes. Like material, layers, minimal trace, thickness of the copper and so on...

Today I was talking with my PCB place and I have a question. How many layers is there. 1? I was told that metal core board can't be made in more then 1 layers and that there are only 2 or 3 companys in the world that can do 2 layers... Is that the case or there was something lost in translation...

Maybe you could join a saturday voice meeting from our EE's, you would have time to place your questions to them directly, also we should have some "real stuff" in hands by then.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 05, 2014, 10:40:33 AM
Lucko please contact Beastly Mac he can get you in the meeting this Saturday unless you still have the teamspeak details from the last time. Just show up but give BeastlyMac or me a PM to let us know you are coming.

In terms of the boards and what we will have to recommend still waiting for our own prototypes boards to be fabricated first. We will provide all the details then and where we have had them fabricated. There are definitely some limitations in where metal core and the other ideas we have can be made but we will do everything we can to provide the details you need as a fabricator to get these A1 Wasps done.

Note we have procured 64 of the revised or newer BitFury 55nm chips and will be using that as our test bed for BitFury Wasp.

Also latest the initial bring up board is being fabricated now and should be ready this week.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 08, 2014, 04:05:52 AM
Wasp is Born

The initial bring up 2 Chip Wasp A1 in hand... pick and place and re-flow ongoing.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/DSCN0140_zpsef2d0b5a.jpg


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: silver71 on March 08, 2014, 09:16:35 AM
Great progress guys , whats the prospects of overclocking the A1 on your existing design ?
Code:
What is Trace Impedance and Why Do We Care?
Wednesday, October 26, 2011 | Douglas Brooks, PhD.

+1


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 09, 2014, 03:32:04 AM
10 Hives now in production.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/BP-2_zps4225e871.png

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/Busbars5_zps3c815251.png

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/Busbars6_zps3bbcdd97.png


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10 protoype Hives should arrive early next week, the back connectors and other parts to build are on order, so some completed boards should soon be under way.
- EE


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 09, 2014, 03:39:38 AM
- The World's Slowest Miner! -

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Mining chip simulator demo. The mining chip (avr xmega) is being controlled by a avr uc3, with bfgminer running on the PC.
- FE

Published on Mar 8, 2014

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj2RLa2b5jc


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Lucko on March 10, 2014, 07:21:02 PM
Lucko please contact Beastly Mac he can get you in the meeting this Saturday unless you still have the teamspeak details from the last time. Just show up but give BeastlyMac or me a PM to let us know you are coming.

In terms of the boards and what we will have to recommend still waiting for our own prototypes boards to be fabricated first. We will provide all the details then and where we have had them fabricated. There are definitely some limitations in where metal core and the other ideas we have can be made but we will do everything we can to provide the details you need as a fabricator to get these A1 Wasps done.

Note we have procured 64 of the revised or newer BitFury 55nm chips and will be using that as our test bed for BitFury Wasp.

Also latest the initial bring up board is being fabricated now and should be ready this week.
Thanks but I'm still having problems hire so internet is not 100%. I do have teamspeak details from last time but could not join over the weekend. Do you have one this weekend? I hope I will be able to join at that time.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Beastlymac on March 11, 2014, 12:10:58 AM
Lucko please contact Beastly Mac he can get you in the meeting this Saturday unless you still have the teamspeak details from the last time. Just show up but give BeastlyMac or me a PM to let us know you are coming.

In terms of the boards and what we will have to recommend still waiting for our own prototypes boards to be fabricated first. We will provide all the details then and where we have had them fabricated. There are definitely some limitations in where metal core and the other ideas we have can be made but we will do everything we can to provide the details you need as a fabricator to get these A1 Wasps done.

Note we have procured 64 of the revised or newer BitFury 55nm chips and will be using that as our test bed for BitFury Wasp.

Also latest the initial bring up board is being fabricated now and should be ready this week.
Thanks but I'm still having problems hire so internet is not 100%. I do have teamspeak details from last time but could not join over the weekend. Do you have one this weekend? I hope I will be able to join at that time.

Yes we should have another one at the same time this weekend. The details are the same if you can't connect please contact me and i will try and solve the issues.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 11, 2014, 01:17:23 AM
Lucko I did discuss with EE team about the board itself and it might be possible, should testing prove it out, that a standard board could be used, although overclocking an A1 Wasp might be less likely or desirable. Testing on this will take place once we have a fully populated board by this week hopefully. See you at the meeting Saturday.




Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Lucko on March 11, 2014, 07:10:51 PM
Like the agenda :)

I have another idea that might be interesting for you. What about having Wasp ASIC store? Since in most cases you need to buy a lot of ASIC to get them or get close to good price. I'm ready to run it with minimal mangers for EU or whole world if that would need to be the case... Something we can also talk about if this is something you think your collective needs.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: megahz2 on March 11, 2014, 08:05:52 PM
@ Lucko

yup a store is what I was thinking, but not just a store but a hobbyist store..

I am hooking up with local bitcoin groups, and I have a webpage to play with here http://highline.net/yellowzinger/index.html

people seem to want store front a place to go hobby together and share help and ideas with on premise's workshop and storing/running of there miners that they are working on..
people in apartments cant provide enough electricity..

anyone?



Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 13, 2014, 10:54:44 AM
Like the agenda :)

I have another idea that might be interesting for you. What about having Wasp ASIC store? Since in most cases you need to buy a lot of ASIC to get them or get close to good price. I'm ready to run it with minimal mangers for EU or whole world if that would need to be the case... Something we can also talk about if this is something you think your collective needs.

We definitely want people open their own Wasp ASIC stores, that is fine and we are willing to support anyone interested in fabrication, as this project is not a one off and will be a long term prospect for anyone looking to retail or wholesale Wasps & Hives and potentially other accessories as we move forward. Note we are not fabricating Wasps or Hives directly as the WPC. The exception is for our own prototypes and proof of concept using A1s and BitFuryII chips currently. And future plans for the Minion and Asicminer chips due out next.

At our last meeting we did discuss how our products could be marketed to those still looking to do the DIY kits and home mining particularly altcoins can as this is a modular system and massive mining operations looking for more control over their farms with the ability to tune each chip via the software along with the ability to upgrade / maintain Wasps without taking whole Hives offline.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Lucko on March 14, 2014, 08:43:57 PM
I'm was thinking just about chips. A big GB for anyone... And probably PCB would also be something interesting... It is also hard for someone to invest let say 43.000$ in A1 minimal order...


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: loshia on March 14, 2014, 08:56:15 PM
I'm was thinking just about chips. A big GB for anyone... And probably PCB would also be something interesting... It is also hard for someone to invest let say 43.000$ in A1 minimal order...
43 000
No way. If they wanna sell chips they have to lower the prices. Ready  to mine assembled units are just behind the corner at  3 usd per GH
So?
You can buy a couple of chips for fun but the chip price should be around  30-40 right now. More over it needs to be adjusted with difficulty also. Let them sell them at 90 bugs I do not mind.....
Just mu two cents


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 15, 2014, 08:17:52 AM
Well there are more ways to skin the cat given there could be 4 or more ASIC chips that we push through as a Wasp. So that gives you a lot more freedom to explore price points especially if you have fabrication in a local setting. That will save you time and get miners in hand faster.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: loshia on March 15, 2014, 02:05:15 PM
Well there are more ways to skin the cat given there could be 4 or more ASIC chips that we push through as a Wasp. So that gives you a lot more freedom to explore price points especially if you have fabrication in a local setting. That will save you time and get miners in hand faster.
true  but:
1. Fabrication is not what it looks like. Even having Pcb bom schematics and everything a lot of experience is needed. For instance famous amt manufacturer ;D
2. For a fun project everyone is ok to loose some bugs but for business and profit I prefer miner which is ready to mine at reasonable price delivered tomorrow. Such miner does not exists still. All ants and whatever come from mother china are priced just around roi point if you are lucky. So my point is if you can get ready to mine unit from somewhere priced at x usd per GH chip price per GH should be around 30% tops.
That is all. Let them sell their chips though ;D to whoever wants them ;D


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 15, 2014, 04:56:15 PM
Well there are more ways to skin the cat given there could be 4 or more ASIC chips that we push through as a Wasp. So that gives you a lot more freedom to explore price points especially if you have fabrication in a local setting. That will save you time and get miners in hand faster.
true  but:
1. Fabrication is not what it looks like. Even having Pcb bom schematics and everything a lot of experience is needed. For instance famous amt manufacturer ;D
2. For a fun project everyone is ok to loose some bugs but for business and profit I prefer miner which is ready to mine at reasonable price delivered tomorrow. Such miner does not exists still. All ants and whatever come from mother china are priced just around roi point if you are lucky. So my point is if you can get ready to mine unit from somewhere priced at x usd per GH chip price per GH should be around 30% tops.
That is all. Let them sell their chips though ;D to whoever wants them ;D

The options for self build or group build are a lot more desirable over most of the alternatives. If you are DIYing ROI really isn't why you would be building these. If you do have the cash and are looking for an alternative the modular design we are providing will be cost effective for large mining operations especially if you are looking to tune each chip to their maximum via software.

Given what passes for "pre-orders" these days this project could pay off depending on the chips and the coins you choose to mine. Experience is definitely required no one should be sinking thousands of dollars and up into this sort of thing unless you know what you are doing or have a team in place that has the experience to carry it through.

The WPC is not going to be fabricating for sale we will let others who have the drive and experience take that on. We are pretty confident there will be multiple fabricators for that will make them available to the community given the interest we have had already.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 15, 2014, 07:13:53 PM
Meeting Notes from 15 / 03 / 2014

    A1 Wasp 2 chip test boards will be picked up in Seattle Monday.
    BF2 Wasp prototype boards will be fabricated next week.
    Minion Wasp is minimally 6 weeks out given chips from BlackArrow will be that long.
    AM2 Wasp no news on chips release date.
    More progress on firmware has been made.
    Hives have been built. Busbars to be built this week.
    WPC Pool working on server and security issues.
    Website, Share Exchange and Provisioning server still progressing.

Hive BP-1 Rev0 (Back Plane - 1. Revision 0.)

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/IMG_4831_zpsb72a1b4b.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/IMG_4830_zpsbb481d5e.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/IMG_4827_zpsa5274845.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/IMG_4833_zps5949558c.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/IMG_4826_zpsa896c155.jpg
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/IMG_48251_zpsd1625a2b.jpg


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: silver71 on March 16, 2014, 12:29:56 PM
Meeting Notes from 15 / 03 / 2014

    A1 Wasp 2 chip test boards will be picked up in Seattle Monday.
    BF2 Wasp prototype boards will be fabricated next week.
    Minion Wasp is minimally 6 weeks out given chips from BlackArrow will be that long.
    AM2 Wasp no news on chips release date.
    More progress on firmware has been made.
    Hives have been built. Busbars to be built this week.
    WPC Pool working on server and security issues.
    Website, Share Exchange and Provisioning server still progressing.

Hive BP-1 Rev0 (Back Plane - 1. Revision 0.)
On several other threads you said - stay away from Innosilicon...so where you plan to source chips from then ?
And what chips you plan to put in WASPS for HIVES for all this to be usable ?


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 16, 2014, 01:41:08 PM
Meeting Notes from 15 / 03 / 2014

    A1 Wasp 2 chip test boards will be picked up in Seattle Monday.
    BF2 Wasp prototype boards will be fabricated next week.
    Minion Wasp is minimally 6 weeks out given chips from BlackArrow will be that long.
    AM2 Wasp no news on chips release date.
    More progress on firmware has been made.
    Hives have been built. Busbars to be built this week.
    WPC Pool working on server and security issues.
    Website, Share Exchange and Provisioning server still progressing.

Hive BP-1 Rev0 (Back Plane - 1. Revision 0.)
On several other threads you said - stay away from Innosilicon...so where you plan to source chips from then ?
And what chips you plan to put in WASPS for HIVES for all this to be usable ?


Let me clarify my own personal view on the alleged IP theft of the A1 chips.

First off, I suggested that in future people do not use Innosilicon for their ASIC production if they have issues with selling Bitmine.ch IP to pirates.

Secondly people should buy A1 Chips directly from Bitmine.ch or approved resellers not from companies that are stealing the IP.

I hope that clarifies my stance on that issue and I am basing this on what Bitmine.ch has posted as their position. I have not seen any post from Innosilicon on this issue.

We have very few companies out there willing to fabricate ASIC chips for resale and we should support reputable companies that do supply ASICs. Bitmine.ch / Zefir has supplied the WPC with our chips without delay or incident and we are happy to purchase our chips from Bitmine.ch in future. I would urge others to do the same who are licensing our products.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 19, 2014, 02:49:32 AM
Recent email exchange with the Fabricator and our EE. Testing will continue the rest of the week. Then our main EE will be off for a needed and long planned vacation next week. He will resume production and testing in the first week of April. The firmware / software and hive teams continue work on their areas as well as the WPC Mining Pool, Website, Share Exchange and Provisioning Server. Pictures of the board being hooked up for the first electrical tests coming tomorrow.

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From: Fabricator
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:15 AM
To: WPC EE
Subject: Pick up for Dual A1 Rev 1.0
 
Hi WPC EE,
 
The boards and remaining kit are ready for pick up. You can pay by cash or money order.
 
Thanks,
Fabricator

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From: Fabricator
To: WPC EE
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:15 AM
Subject: RE: Pick up for Dual A1 Rev 1.0

Hi WPC EE,
 
Forgot to mention that the total is $xxx.xx.
 
Thanks,
Fabricator

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Wow - that's wonderful. There's more business coming, in 3-4 weeks, depending on the board house. Prototypes (2 each) for BitFury x32 and A1 x4, and probably the rest of the DualA1's. Sometime after that, we will send you the Minion x2 prototypes, and probably the rest of the batch of the prior two prototype runs.

Thanks, for making the deadline, beating the price, and tackling a tough board.

WPC EE

 


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: volosator on March 19, 2014, 09:32:11 PM
Are you planning to make this opensource?


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 20, 2014, 12:57:15 AM
Are you planning to make this opensource?

Yes

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=422243.msg4593829#msg4593829

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Introduction

The WASP miner collective (WPC) is working on designing open source hardware that can be used to run multiple different asic chips off the same device.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 21, 2014, 01:10:03 AM
It's ALIVE!

A note from the WPC EE:

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I am blinking the lights!

So:

1. 3.3V regulator working
2. JTAG interface to UC3C working
3. Processor is initializing
4. ASF now working (took moving to Studio 6.2, since all UC3C was broken in 6.1)
5. 12MHz oscillator is working
6. Can do one LED - all 3 colors are working

Yay! (Finally!)

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/WaspALive_zpsdb7d2cce.png

Download the Wasp P0rn movie here:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3u-c97pGdlfdlI4Mk1SdE5NVFE/edit?usp=sharing


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Lucko on March 21, 2014, 07:31:49 AM
Is that Atmel?


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 21, 2014, 07:44:13 AM
Is that Atmel?

Would have to ask the EE... or I have to listen through the minutes again to find that out for you Lucko. I'll see what I can dig up on that.

EDIT:

Dug this up on our internal repository... hope that helps Lucko.

Atmel Dev Tools

To develop firmware and learn firmware development for AVR-based Wasps, we use the following tools:

TAGICE3 (http://www.atmel.com/tools/jtagice3.aspx)
UC3-A3 Xplained dev board (http://www.atmel.com/tools/uc3-a3xplained.aspx​)
​XMEGA256-A3BU Xplained dev board (http://www.atmel.com/tools/xmega-a3buxplained.aspx)
​Atmel Studio (free download) (http://​http://www.atmel.com/microsite/atmel_studio6/)

Atmel tools and development kits are available from ​Atmel, ​Mouser, ​DigiKey and other sources. Mouser and Digikey are recommended over Atmel since they usually ship more quickly.

The following videos provide a good introduction to the development process for Atmel parts and boards using Atmel Studio and Atmel Software Framework (ASF).

 Software design process for the ASF (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkVN6HENwDgA)
 Getting Started 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9UFzNEC62E​ASF)
​ASF Getting Started 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBioqFNTmU8)

These videos describe how to use Atmel Studio to create a customized ASF-based library for specific hardware and a single firmware application. Follow the described processes to learn how to write firmware for Atmel dev boards or non-wasp hardware.

For production wasp firmware, we will need to modify the processes described in the video since we want to create a single ASF-based library customized for wasp hardware, but this library will be used by many firmware applications: namely, one application for each for type of wasp and probably (a) test/diagnostic application(s) for each wasp as well.

MAX V CPLD Dev Tools

Tools for CPLD firmware are a development board, downloadable development software and tutorial pdf and video. Downloads may require login to free Altera account:

​DK-DEV-5M570ZN (http://www.altera.com/products/devkits/altera/kit-max-v.html) development board
​Quartus II Web Edition development software (https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-we) (free download)
​My First FPGA Tutorial  (http://www.altera.com/literature/tt/tt_my_first_fpga.pdf)(login to free acct may be required)
​Introduction to Quartus II and the FPGA (or CPLD)  (http://quartushelp.altera.com/tutorial/qtutorial.htm)design process


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Lucko on March 21, 2014, 08:01:46 AM
So I would guess yes. It looks like it and sounds like it but I have no idea why you have 2 of them...

That is good news since I have all needed for working with them...


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 21, 2014, 03:06:30 PM
So I would guess yes. It looks like it and sounds like it but I have no idea why you have 2 of them...

That is good news since I have all needed for working with them...

Multiple people working on this so there were options to choose from the list above I think.



Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: stan258 on March 21, 2014, 08:27:42 PM
Do you have a list of vendors or means to purchase? I can purchase a tray of Bitfury 2 Chips and see this as viable.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 22, 2014, 04:41:08 AM
Do you have a list of vendors or means to purchase? I can purchase a tray of Bitfury 2 Chips and see this as viable.

No list of vendors yet as we need to get a working Wasp Hive system as bug free as possible and release it. We do have a number of people keen on fabrication but until we have released the Firmware/Software/Hardware details in a working format we just have to wait. We will only be working on the firmware and Hives over the next week. The BF2 Wasp should be in at the fabricator this week and prototype boards will be in the EE's hands by early April. The A1 Wasp will go through more rigorous testing after the Main EE gets back from the tropics!


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 28, 2014, 09:02:25 AM
Important notice to WPC members.

We have sent out an new project proposal that we need you to review. Please check your inbox.

We will be having a meeting to discuss and determine the path forward for this new project on March 31st 2014. I will send out a new email for specific time as soon as I have contacted the EE team heading this new project on Sunday.

The current A1, BitFury2 Wasps, Website, Mining Pool, Hive and firmware/software projects are still moving forward and we will have them ready while we add this new project within that stream of work. As such the WPC will definitely need to source some new members and we will be sending out invites to specific people in the community to push our new and current projects forward. It is also our intention to revisit, as we mentioned before, re-opening membership to the community on a limited basis. We will have a notice about that next week.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: silver71 on March 29, 2014, 09:17:13 AM
Monday Meeting for New Wasp Project:



http://gifcountdown.com/asia-jakarta/1396314000/141414/0f0f0f/aaaaaa/fdfdfd/faedad/true/counter.gif



We will have discussions on the new Wasp project offering for WPC members at the TS server. This time is subject to change so check in here or check your email inbox for possible time changes.

Agenda

    Funding
    Timeline
    Logistics
    SWOT


I hope this Jakarta time, not having anything to do with KL chip, or missing Malaysian airlines jet :)


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 29, 2014, 11:13:18 AM
No nothing negative whatsoever.

All positive moving forward opportunity type discussions.

Only thing that sucks is I have to be up at 3am to be at the meeting Tuesday morning.



Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: valkir on March 30, 2014, 02:07:16 AM
Do you have a date of when you think the wasp will be available?

I will like to join the group! Wasp seems to be a nice group!

Let me know.  ;D


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 30, 2014, 04:39:15 AM
Do you have a date of when you think the wasp will be available?

I will like to join the group! Wasp seems to be a nice group!

Let me know.  ;D

No date yet. As we are currently going through testing of the A1 Wasp. Electrically we are good so far. Firmware emulation code is ready. Once part of the EE team is back in Seattle burning the midnight oil on A1 testing we will have a better idea but we will release that information on our website once we are confident we have working boards that can be built. The hive is ready and is en route to the EE in Seattle. Once the A1 Wasp testing is completed boards will be shipped to the EE in the UK and the EE in California as well as some other sample boards to other members for testing. Once the 2 chip A1 Wasp is proven to work then a 6 chip version will be spun, tested and put into the Hive. The BitFury II Wasp is being worked on in conjunction with the A1 Wasp it is either in fabrication now or will be next week we are also now discussing a new project for the WPC as well that should be completed this summer.

Again our membership options will be discussed at our next meeting on Monday/Tuesday and we will be inviting members of the community that can help us specifically in marketing, hardware, software and firmware engineering as we want to expand our capabilities and spread the workload to more people. We will make an announcement about membership next week.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on March 31, 2014, 05:55:28 AM
Just got notice from Asicminer that we will be getting some of their sample chips. We are grateful that Friedcat contacted us with this great news and have forwarded the EE's mailing address. Hope to see some samples soon and we are also keen on helping the community build their own miners using the new Asicminer Chips. Let us hope there are plenty on offer in the coming months.

Note that we currently have in development the following range of Wasps and will likely be adding at least one new ASIC 28nm chip to this list soon pending negotiations.

A1 Wasp Proto-boards are now being tested.

Specifications:

    Developed on 28nm HPP process from Global Foundries
    Custom IC package with power bars for low voltage, high current feeding
    Configurable in daisy chain mode for distributed work with up to 253 ASICs.
    Standard SPI interface
    Hashing power of 25 GH/s in nominal and up to 40 GH/s in Turbo mode
    Power usage of 0.35 W/GH in low power, 0.6 W/GH in nominal and 1 W/GH in Turbo mode
    Supply voltage of 0.65V in low power, 0.765 V in nominal and 0.85 V in Turbo mode

BF2 Wasp Completed Design. Prototypes are now being fabricated.

Specifications:

    55nm process
    Full-custom hand-routed design
    Experimental low-threshold-voltage transistors
    QFN 48 7mm x 7mm package
    864 rolled hash cores
    Improved performance and lower power consumption
    Hashrate up to 3.85GH/s
    Power consumption as low as 0.45J/GH

AM BE200 Wasp Just Added. Wasp design will start soon.

Specifications:

    40nm TSMC process.
    Standard SPI interface.
    32 highly optimized hashing cores in single chip.
    The typical hash power is ~12GH/s in rated mode.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 01, 2014, 04:33:14 AM
After our latest meeting the WPC has added a new ASIC based Wasp to the design fold which we will keep under our hats for now. We are also working on a standalone variant board called the "Hornet" so you do not need to use the Hive. More details to follow. We have also discussed reopening membership and it looks like that will happen this month and we will open up a form for people to submit their interest in joining. Then we will set a payment gateway allowing a limited number of people to join the WPC. We will be contacting those who were interested in the Wasp for production soon to gauge interest in our new ASIC based Wasp or Hornet offerings.

Results from the meeting:

WPC to buy a large number of New ASIC chips and payment will be made before mid-April.
WPC to enlarge the Wasp & Hive share buy to include expanded production of these new chips arriving after production is complete.
WPC to receive a sample lot sufficient to fabricate variants of the Wasp / Hornet.
WPC to work out a new timeline for these Wasps / Hornets this week.
WPC to continue work on the A1, BF2 and AM BE200 Wasp per new timeline determined this week.
WPC to work in conjunction with a limited number of interested producers to share the production run.
WPC to contact those fabricators who showed interest previously regarding the new chips production run.
WPC to add more members this month and continue to source EEs in firmware, software and hardware beyond the open membership drive.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 03, 2014, 07:57:23 AM
New chips moving towards the EE in Seattle

Code:
Thursday, April 03, 2014	
Location                                                                                          Time
Arrived at Sort Facility CINCINNATI HUB - USA CINCINNATI HUB, OH - USA 01:53


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: minerpumpkin on April 03, 2014, 08:16:33 AM
New chips moving towards the EE in Seattle

Code:
Thursday, April 03, 2014	
Location                                                                                          Time
Arrived at Sort Facility CINCINNATI HUB - USA CINCINNATI HUB, OH - USA 01:53

AM BE200 sample chips?


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Dabs on April 03, 2014, 08:28:54 AM
Oooh. I want a 10 TH miner. Hope I can afford it though.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 03, 2014, 08:44:20 AM
New chips moving towards the EE in Seattle

Code:
Thursday, April 03, 2014	
Location                                                                                          Time
Arrived at Sort Facility CINCINNATI HUB - USA CINCINNATI HUB, OH - USA 01:53

AM BE200 sample chips?

Those are not the chips of which I speak. Sly grin. ;)


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 03, 2014, 08:46:10 AM
Oooh. I want a 10 TH miner. Hope I can afford it though.

Woah nelly... 10 TH? A small collection of hives maybe and that will need some POWER. Do you have the POWER? :D

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/47/474e5480e84d01548ed91f59f02b493bc583d6963ce9aa2c6f1793313eaf4487.jpg


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Dabs on April 03, 2014, 08:55:03 AM
I can get the power. I just need the miners. Of course, they better be power efficient, my power is 0.35 USD per KWH here. It's gonna suck if I pay more for electric than the bitcoins it mines, nevermind the ROI.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 03, 2014, 08:57:38 AM
I can get the power. I just need the miners. Of course, they better be power efficient, my power is 0.35 USD per KWH here. It's gonna suck if I pay more for electric than the bitcoins it mines, nevermind the ROI.

Pig farms nearby? Go METHANE!

http://www.alternative-energy-news.info/press/sudbury-utilities-ontario-methane-powered-electricity-plant/
http://www.biogasassociation.ca/bioExp/index.php/projects


Code:
Carl Frook operates a cattle feeding operation which consists of 1,800 head. 
The farm is also associated with Marl Creek Renewables, which includes a 4,200 m3
anaerobic digester designed by BioEN Power. Manure, milk, fats, oils and grease are
fed into the anaerobic digester, which supplies fuel for the operation’s two 250 kW
combined heat and power units. Electricity is sold to the electrical grid and heat
recovered to assist in the anaerobic digestion process. The digestate produced
is used as fertilizer for associated farmland.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: necro_nemesis on April 03, 2014, 10:14:35 AM
Putting away the miners helmet and strappin' on the coveralls. Sign me up.

Give! What's in the Cincinnati goodie bag?  ;D


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 03, 2014, 11:35:46 AM
Putting away the miners helmet and strappin' on the coveralls. Sign me up.

Give! What's in the Cincinnati goodie bag?  ;D

Chips.

http://gifstumblr.com/images/my-lips-are-sealed_727.gif


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 03, 2014, 02:52:02 PM
They are getting closer: Arrived at Sort Facility SEATTLE - USA.
 


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: minerpumpkin on April 03, 2014, 03:22:34 PM
They are getting closer: Arrived at Sort Facility SEATTLE - USA.
 

Can they already see the Space Needle? When are you going to reveal the secret? :) I'm all shaky!


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 03, 2014, 03:23:42 PM
They are getting closer: Arrived at Sort Facility SEATTLE - USA.
 

Can they already see the Space Needle? When are you going to reveal the secret? :) I'm all shaky!


What secret?


Not sure when I will be given the green light to reveal all.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: minerpumpkin on April 03, 2014, 03:26:46 PM
What secret?

What kind of chips we're talking about... salted ones, spicy ones, vinegar flavoured...

Not sure when I will be given the green light to reveal all.

*takesADeepBreath* I'll do my best and wait!  :)


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 03, 2014, 03:31:44 PM
What secret?

What kind of chips we're talking about... salted ones, spicy ones, vinegar flavoured...

Not sure when I will be given the green light to reveal all.

*takesADeepBreath* I'll do my best and wait!  :)

I suspect that we will have more information or pictures and whatnot in mid April or sooner on this Wasp / Hornet variant.

Sorry, this is going to make your hungry. This is how I see "chips".

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Poutine.JPG


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: necro_nemesis on April 03, 2014, 04:36:26 PM
I don't care what they look like as long as you can solder them to boards and they make lots of BTC. Hope your EE knows his way around a kitchen.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 03, 2014, 05:47:22 PM
The lead EE we got does 3 michelin stars level work. We are always looking for a few good sous chefs so if you know anyone keen on helping out drop me an email. I am the Garçon de cuisine in this operation. BTC on any board these days is less than profitable... hopefully we will see the BTC rise again.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: necro_nemesis on April 03, 2014, 05:58:57 PM
Great.  ;D

Appreciate the insight that your involved. Respect the fact you can't comment. At the appropriate time please keep us apprised.

Thanks.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 03, 2014, 06:06:55 PM
If you are keen to hear the EE's gather and talk Saturday necro_nem... then drop me an email see if we have room at the meeting table. We often open the doors to others so they can peep in and see what were doing and ask questions especially if you are seriously considering doing fabrication of our boards when they finally drop. Or are an EE and are interesting in problem solving with us.



Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: cosmicone on April 03, 2014, 11:13:44 PM
What secret?

What kind of chips we're talking about... salted ones, spicy ones, vinegar flavoured...

Not sure when I will be given the green light to reveal all.

*takesADeepBreath* I'll do my best and wait!  :)

I suspect that we will have more information or pictures and whatnot in mid April or sooner on this Wasp / Hornet variant.

Sorry, this is going to make your hungry. This is how I see "chips".

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Poutine.JPG

Mmmmm I had poutine at lunch today....  Mmmmmm


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Dabs on April 04, 2014, 02:28:49 AM
Are those chips? Those look like fries to me.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: bigbeninlondon on April 04, 2014, 02:33:56 AM
What are those white crumbles?  And is that barbecue sauce?


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: necro_nemesis on April 04, 2014, 02:56:14 AM
It's poutine, better known as the express lane to coronary artery disease.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: madsusies on April 04, 2014, 06:41:33 AM
What secret?

What kind of chips we're talking about... salted ones, spicy ones, vinegar flavoured...

Not sure when I will be given the green light to reveal all.

*takesADeepBreath* I'll do my best and wait!  :)

I suspect that we will have more information or pictures and whatnot in mid April or sooner on this Wasp / Hornet variant.

Sorry, this is going to make your hungry. This is how I see "chips".

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Poutine.JPG

Mmmmm I had poutine at lunch today....  Mmmmmm


Not funny like u timing


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 04, 2014, 09:15:15 AM
Quote
Thursday, April 03, 2014   
                                                   Location     Time   


Delivered - Signed for by : our EE    SEATTLE   14:26

Chips in hand... Wasp / Hornet design variant of this chip has started emails being exchanged fast and furious between the chip fabricators and our EE. Nice to see such a responsive chip fab... they know their CHIPS!

Yes the POUTINE! I like mine avec sauces picante.

I do miss the chipwagon in Pincourt... steamies, greasy fries with vinegar and whack of salt.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 05, 2014, 05:52:40 AM
What are those white crumbles?  And is that barbecue sauce?

Curds and a gravy-like sauce.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 08, 2014, 01:15:33 AM
Meeting Minutes Overview:

Refined the prototype focus towards new asic chip Hornet then Wasp for April as there is excellent support from the 3rd party chip fabricator.
Discussion of internal production numbers for the WPC.
Discussion of financial outlay for chips and production.
Discussion of long term vision for next generation chips and pricing of gh/s projected.
Need for more EE's and members.
Discussion of IPO for funding future Wasp / Hornet production.

In general there was a lively set of discussions on a wide range of topics that focused on the future production of miners. We are currently focused on getting out to community the Hornet and Wasp and potentially a specialized card to test in 2 phase cooling with a HK company.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 08, 2014, 01:17:38 AM
EE received chips thank you Asicminer and FriedCat:

Quote
Dateline Seattle our EE writes:

from H.Qin, of Shenzhen Shenkelong Ltd, in business zone of the PRC.

We are assuming that they are AM BE200 samples, since they are in a 65 pad package (QFN64).

Specs are nice - 12GH at 4+ Watts

We sure could use another engineer!

Dang!

Anyone interested in working with our team please contact me via pm or email as we have a number of different chips, some rare and not readily available to the marketplace, coupled with our basic 'portable' schematics that have been designed by our team they are perfect for the right EE to hit the ground running and get to prototype rather quickly. You would be invited to join the WPC and work on the range of Hornets and Wasps we have on the design board.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: jimmothy on April 08, 2014, 01:45:50 AM
I'm confused. How will I be able to get my hands on a wasp/hornet?

Is this a diy kit you will be selling?

Can we buy complete miners?


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 08, 2014, 02:15:29 AM
Here is how we hope it will work.

1. WPC designs and then releases that tested and prototyped miner design with firmware ready to go.
2. You have to get the chips.
3. You have to fab the miners.
4. We then receive a license fee on the designs through our licensing site.
5. We support those fabs that need our help.

The obvious tricky part is getting chips from the chip makers or resellers. Others beside the WPC will be selling either DIY kits or finished miners, some may even be WPC members but acting outside the WPC. If you are interested in working closely with us on this then you can drop Beastlymac a PM and he will keep you updated as we have designs ready.

-----

Internally our WPC members have purchased shares in the development of the Wasp and will recoup their investment with licensing and some mining of the prototypes we build. We have purchased sample chips like the A1 and have received samples of the BF2, AM BE200 and one other undisclosed ASIC and we are currently prototyping. We are currently working on ALL of these at the same time with our standard design. We will place our prototypes in facilities to bolster our WPC Mining Pool as well as develop a number of different variants for testing purposes. The one I am keen on seeing is the Wasp / Hornet variant that can be put into 2 phase cooling rig this summer in Hong Kong in a new prototype cooling configuration. But as with any of the current designs we have time constraints, we have a small team, so we have to prioritize which chips and design goes first. We also have to contend with limited investment as chips are rarely sold cheap enough or in sufficient quantity to make designs viable especially given the price of BTC currently. We are under no illusion of being tycoons given the large number of heavily funded and well established fabricators that exist currently. We are looking a providing designs for others so they can make the choice to either build at close to cost or look for other options.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: SolarWindMiningCompany on April 08, 2014, 03:45:53 PM
The lead EE we got does 3 michelin stars level work. We are always looking for a few good sous chefs so if you know anyone keen on helping out drop me an email. I am the Garçon de cuisine in this operation. BTC on any board these days is less than profitable... hopefully we will see the BTC rise again.

Hey Bick, I am sending you an email address of someone who might be able to join the EE team.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 08, 2014, 03:59:58 PM
The lead EE we got does 3 michelin stars level work. We are always looking for a few good sous chefs so if you know anyone keen on helping out drop me an email. I am the Garçon de cuisine in this operation. BTC on any board these days is less than profitable... hopefully we will see the BTC rise again.

Hey Bick, I am sending you an email address of someone who might be able to join the EE team.

Appreciated.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: firejuan on April 08, 2014, 09:36:11 PM
Meeting Minutes Overview:

Refined the prototype focus towards new asic chip Hornet then Wasp for April as there is excellent support from the 3rd party chip fabricator.
Discussion of internal production numbers for the WPC.
Discussion of financial outlay for chips and production.
Discussion of long term vision for next generation chips and pricing of gh/s projected.
Need for more EE's and members.
Discussion of IPO for funding future Wasp / Hornet production.

In general there was a lively set of discussions on a wide range of topics that focused on the future production of miners. We are currently focused on getting out to community the Hornet and Wasp and potentially a specialized card to test in 2 phase cooling with a HK company.

Are these more public members similar to those that joined at the end of last year?  I regret not joining.  Thanks.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 09, 2014, 01:54:29 AM
Meeting Minutes Overview:

Refined the prototype focus towards new asic chip Hornet then Wasp for April as there is excellent support from the 3rd party chip fabricator.
Discussion of internal production numbers for the WPC.
Discussion of financial outlay for chips and production.
Discussion of long term vision for next generation chips and pricing of gh/s projected.
Need for more EE's and members.
Discussion of IPO for funding future Wasp / Hornet production.

In general there was a lively set of discussions on a wide range of topics that focused on the future production of miners. We are currently focused on getting out to community the Hornet and Wasp and potentially a specialized card to test in 2 phase cooling with a HK company.

Are these more public members similar to those that joined at the end of last year?  I regret not joining.  Thanks.

Yes. We want to get not just EE's but business people, students, hobbyists from as diverse a range of languages, countries and cultures as we can. Moving forward and being a truly globally spread collective is something we need to have as BITCOIN and CRYPTO is not restricted by boundary neither are we. Again I am hoping we have something arranged soon so that we can have more members join us. Keep watching this space.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 10, 2014, 05:57:53 AM
Latest info from EE in Seattle on the new ASIC chip:


"working on the two CPLDs' internals at the moment, before placing them in the schematic and the floorplan, making certain that I can get all the local work generation and chip reconfiguration into 2 MCUs + 4CPLDs. Looks good so far..."



Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Cryptixuk on April 11, 2014, 12:16:18 AM
im watching this threat, I like the idea of having a board where you can just swap the chips for newer ones


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: gamersglory on April 11, 2014, 01:29:45 AM
We are currently looking for more EE's , SW and FW Devlopers.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 11, 2014, 02:56:13 AM
im watching this threat, I like the idea of having a board where you can just swap the chips for newer ones

'Threats' aside I hope we don't scare anyone off with this thread.

Note that what we are working on are the boards being swapped not the chips. We will push out 3 or 4 different board designs based on different chips as our design requires slight modifications chip to chip. These multiple boards can work in our single backplane just for clarification.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: BlackLabel_Actual on April 11, 2014, 05:51:07 AM
This sound's like a pretty amazing project, this is coming from an EE student. Iv'e been following this recently so see how the progress is.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: minerpumpkin on April 11, 2014, 11:27:32 AM
No AM BE200? Don't forget about that one, it's the chip  :)
But I'm sure you keep that in mind!


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Cryptixuk on April 12, 2014, 02:00:27 AM
im watching this threat, I like the idea of having a board where you can just swap the chips for newer ones

'Threats' aside I hope we don't scare anyone off with this thread.

Note that what we are working on are the boards being swapped not the chips. We will push out 3 or 4 different board designs based on different chips as our design requires slight modifications chip to chip. These multiple boards can work in our single backplane just for clarification.

Sorry typo lol, but having said that I would say that the principle could possibly challenge the current crop of manufacturers. But I guess it would then boil down to costs. 


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 12, 2014, 04:01:58 AM
The way these corporate farms keep growing and expanding I am not so sure how much of an impact individuals working alone can have on keeping the network diversified. If people can POOL their resources and build these en masse maybe there is still hope that the network could have enough diversity to keep it secure. Having said that what the Minion from Black Arrow is offering is certainly intended to push out GPL miners. That is something we really are keen on. They might be late to the party with their Minion and miners but they have right focus I think on supporting any collectively orientated miners moving forward. The era of mining at home is done even with respect to altcoins. We hope we can help the diversity of the network and have some fun building these designs.
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #Pl2ijy6xn1DTxmhs


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 12, 2014, 04:05:54 AM
No AM BE200? Don't forget about that one, it's the chip  :)
But I'm sure you keep that in mind!

AM BE200
A1
BitFury II
Minion

All in the mix, sorry had to add it back in I accidently omitted it. Our EE gave us a little insight into his plans for it.

We are just working feverishly on the undisclosed chip right now. Sorry if I left out the AsicMiner offering. We are pretty excited about the AM BE200 and Minion because of the way the heat gets out the bottom. We are looking already at a 16 chip Minion layout in the Hornet and a small single or dual chip Stinger for the AM BE200 as a USB offering as we have limited chips obviously so we want to check out other variants or our design range.
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #iU69Nj0quQDZW23n


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 12, 2014, 06:13:11 AM
Hey MinerPumpkin...

Is it possible to get a larger number of engineering / sample AM BE200's?


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: minerpumpkin on April 12, 2014, 10:27:33 AM
Hey MinerPumpkin...

Is it possible to get a larger number of engineering / sample AM BE200's?

I'm not working for AM, unfortunately. You should let Friedcat know that you, as a big customer/engineering crew, are interested in additional chips. We (AM investors) believe that the first mass production batch is being produced as we speak and probably will be ready to ship in early may. The first test/engineering batch seems to have been distributed to various engineering groups and resellers around the globe. Additionally, I think Friedcat will announce the purchasing terms publicly once the "first" batch is ready.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 12, 2014, 11:07:20 AM
Hey MinerPumpkin...

Is it possible to get a larger number of engineering / sample AM BE200's?

I'm not working for AM, unfortunately. You should let Friedcat know that you, as a big customer/engineering crew, are interested in additional chips. We (AM investors) believe that the first mass production batch is being produced as we speak and probably will be ready to ship in early may. The first test/engineering batch seems to have been distributed to various engineering groups and resellers around the globe. Additionally, I think Friedcat will announce the purchasing terms publicly once the "first" batch is ready.

Hoping we see some chips in the wild so to speak so DIYers and collectives can work on building what we put out in terms of design thanks for the heads up.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Dabs on April 12, 2014, 11:52:05 AM
Group Buy! (I'll do PH/Asia, I've got a bunch of customers waiting, depending on prices.)


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 13, 2014, 06:43:56 AM
Group Buy! (I'll do PH/Asia, I've got a bunch of customers waiting, depending on prices.)

What for Dabs the AM BE200 chips?

Didn't know you can buy them in quantity anywhere. Anyhow the development plan was refined yesterday. We have also invited 3 more EE's to join us in the WPC so we may have a more boards being developed concurrently so that the current team is not overtaxed and we can get more boards out at the same time.

Development Priority
                     
Priority: 1st
Name:"H" Hornet
Form Factor Dimensions:  325 x 325   
Cooling: Air   
Chip Count: 64
Chip Type: QFN
Base Speed: 7.5GH/s
Schematic: 95%, floorplan 100%
Firmware Stage: TEST/DEV   
Chips Ordered: 1200 (200 in hand)   
Lead EE: Seattle

Priority: 2nd
Name: "BE200" Hornet   
Form Factor Dimensions:  325 x 325   
Cooling: Air   
Chip Count: 64
Chip Type: QFN
Base Speed: 7.5 GH/s
Schematic: Proposed   
Firmware Stage: Proposed   
Chips in Hand: 2 Engineering Samples Only    
Lead EE: Seattle

Priority: 3rd
Name: "R" Hornet
Form Factor Dimensions:  325 x 325   
Cooling: Air   
Chip Count: 64
Chip Type: HFC BGA
Base Speed: 200 GH/s
Schematic: Proposed   
Firmware Stage: Proposed
Chips Ordered: Undetermined   
Lead EE: Undetermined

Priority: Undetermined
Name: "Minion" Hornet
Form Factor Dimensions:  325 x 325   
Cooling: Air   
Chip Count: 64
Chip Type: HFC BGA
Base Speed: 115 GH/s
Schematic: Proposed   
Firmware Stage: Proposed
Chips Ordered: 5 to 10 possibly more.
Lead EE: Undetermined

Priority: Undetermined
Name: "A1" Wasp   
Form Factor Dimensions:  214 x 153   
Cooling: Air   
Chip Count: 6
Chip Type: QFN
Base Speed: 25 GH/s
Schematic: 100%   
Firmware Stage: TEST/DEV    
Chips in Hand: 100
Lead EE: Undetermined

Priority: Undetermined
Name: "H" Whiteface
Form Factor Dimensions:  225 x 400
Cooling: 2-Phase Cooling Engineering Test Sample   
Chip Count: 32
Chip Type: QFN
Base Speed: 7.5 GH/s
Schematic: Proposed based on "H" Hornet   
Firmware Stage: Proposed   
Chips Ordered: 1200 (200 in hand same lots of chips as "H"- Hornet)
Lead EE: Undetermined

Priority: Undetermined
Name: "BitFury2" Wasp
Form Factor Dimensions:  225 x 200
Cooling: Air   
Chip Count: 16
Chip Type: QFN
Base Speed: 7.5 GH/s
Schematic: 100%, but the current layout requires some rework
Firmware Stage: TEST/DEV    
Chips in Hand: 128
Lead EE: Undetermined


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: jimmothy on April 13, 2014, 06:48:15 AM
Quote
Priority: Undetermined
Name: "H" Whiteface
Form Factor Dimensions:  225 x 400
Cooling: 2-Phase Cooling Engineering Test Sample   
Chip Count: 32
Chip Type: QFN
Base Speed: 7.5 GH/s
Schematic: Proposed based on "H" Hornet   
Firmware Stage: Proposed   
Chips Ordered: 100
Lead EE: Undetermined

H is hammer asic correct? And can you give more details about the 2 phase immersion cooling?

Also has the BE200 been tested yet?


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 13, 2014, 07:04:05 AM
Quote
Priority: Undetermined
Name: "H" Whiteface
Form Factor Dimensions:  225 x 400
Cooling: 2-Phase Cooling Engineering Test Sample  
Chip Count: 32
Chip Type: QFN
Base Speed: 7.5 GH/s
Schematic: Proposed based on "H" Hornet  
Firmware Stage: Proposed  
Chips Ordered: 100
Lead EE: Undetermined

H is hammer asic correct? And can you give more details about the 2 phase immersion cooling?

Also has the BE200 been tested yet?

Not a liberty yet to release the fabricator of that chip we are working on. We have to pay for our chips today or tomorrow and when that is complete we will release the name of the chip and fabricator.

BE200 is the 2nd Priority so that design will come after we have a completed the "H" Hornet. So that is some time out as the EE lead in Seattle is taking on those 2 designs. So no it is not even designed or tested yet.

In terms of the "H"-Whiteface I have been in discussions with Engineers at http://www.allied-control.com/immersion-2/development-system in HK and I hoping that our EE in Seattle might be able to throw out a form factor which meets an Allied Control form factor (still undetermined) that goes into an Immersion 2 Cooling design at their facilities. My hope is when I go out to HK in June I can take an "H" Whiteface with me and get our board into a test system at their facilities. The board would be specifically designed for immersion type systems and that I think is crucial for anyone moving forward in board design is designing for highly efficient cooling systems with density. The "H" Hornet will be the baseline design for the "H" Whiteface so I am hoping that a form factor modification between the two is pretty straightforward.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: AMT_miners on April 13, 2014, 07:52:44 AM
Group Buy! (I'll do PH/Asia, I've got a bunch of customers waiting, depending on prices.)

What for Dabs the AM BE200 chips?

Didn't know you can buy them in quantity anywhere. Anyhow the development plan was refined yesterday. We have also invited 3 more EE's to join us in the WPC so we may have a more boards being developed concurrently so that the current team is not overtaxed and we can get more boards out at the same time.

Development Priority
                     
Priority: 1st
Name:"H" Hornet
Form Factor Dimensions:  325 x 325   
Cooling: Air   
Chip Count: 64
Chip Type: QFN
Base Speed: 7.5GH/s
Schematic: 95%, floorplan 100%
Firmware Stage: TEST/DEV   
Chips Ordered: 1200 (200 in hand)   
Lead EE: Seattle

Priority: 2nd
Name: "BE200" Hornet   
Form Factor Dimensions:  325 x 325   
Cooling: Air   
Chip Count: 64
Chip Type: QFN
Base Speed: 7.5 GH/s
Schematic: Proposed   
Firmware Stage: Proposed   
Chips in Hand: 2 Engineering Samples Only    
Lead EE: Seattle

Priority: 3rd
Name: "R" Hornet
Form Factor Dimensions:  325 x 325   
Cooling: Air   
Chip Count: 64
Chip Type: HFC BGA
Base Speed: 200 GH/s
Schematic: Proposed   
Firmware Stage: Proposed
Chips Ordered: Undetermined   
Lead EE: Undetermined

Priority: Undetermined
Name: "Minion" Hornet
Form Factor Dimensions:  325 x 325   
Cooling: Air   
Chip Count: 64
Chip Type: HFC BGA
Base Speed: 115 GH/s
Schematic: Proposed   
Firmware Stage: Proposed
Chips Ordered: 5 to 10 possibly more.
Lead EE: Undetermined

Priority: Undetermined
Name: "A1" Wasp   
Form Factor Dimensions:  214 x 153   
Cooling: Air   
Chip Count: 6
Chip Type: QFN
Base Speed: 25 GH/s
Schematic: 100%   
Firmware Stage: TEST/DEV    
Chips in Hand: 100
Lead EE: Undetermined

Priority: Undetermined
Name: "H" Whiteface
Form Factor Dimensions:  225 x 400
Cooling: 2-Phase Cooling Engineering Test Sample   
Chip Count: 32
Chip Type: QFN
Base Speed: 7.5 GH/s
Schematic: Proposed based on "H" Hornet   
Firmware Stage: Proposed   
Chips Ordered: 1200 (200 in hand same lots of chips as "H"- Hornet)
Lead EE: Undetermined

Priority: Undetermined
Name: "BitFury2" Wasp
Form Factor Dimensions:  225 x 200
Cooling: Air   
Chip Count: 16
Chip Type: QFN
Base Speed: 7.5 GH/s
Schematic: 100%, but the current layout requires some rework
Firmware Stage: TEST/DEV    
Chips in Hand: 128
Lead EE: Undetermined


If you need help with either A1 or Bitfury know how, we're happy to help and advise in any way we can. As the US chip distributor, we can also donate a few A1's to your cause as well. 


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 13, 2014, 08:31:15 AM
Any help is greatly appreciated AMT_miners. Thanks.

I will contact you via email / pm to arrange that and it be good to have a skype chat to discuss in more detail where we are with those chips and what is required to get those designs up and running.

-------------

Quote
Dolichovespula maculata is a North American wasp commonly called the bald-faced hornet, white-faced hornet, white-tailed hornet, blackjacket or bull wasp.

The EE named the Whiteface board after these. Guess he has had a nasty run in with these hornets before.

http://www.vespa-crabro.de/baldfaced-hornet/baldfaced_kenn1.jpg


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: loshia on April 13, 2014, 04:31:05 PM
........

If you need help with either A1 or Bitfury know how, we're happy to help and advise in any way we can. As the US chip distributor, we can also donate a few A1's to your cause as well.  

ROFL ;D
These guy's  are out of space. The only thing in therms of technical knowledge what you can learn from them is how to duc tape Technobit bitfury boards ;D
From the other side you can learn how to do business in most honest and open way from them also ;D
besides you could ask for some free A1 chips also ;D
They have plenty ;D
To amt  - Zipkin remember this guys are working for free and are not taking anything from community
So do not ask to much money upfront for the precious advises you are about to give ;D


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 13, 2014, 05:12:42 PM
Going to add another person to my ignore list. Funny how we only see the negative in certain companies when it is suitable eh? 

Anyhow... ANY help is appreciated thanks again AMT.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: minerpumpkin on April 13, 2014, 05:16:43 PM
Going to add another person to my ignore list.

Funny how we only see the negative when it is suitable eh?

Anyhow... ANY help is appreciated thanks again.

Any news from your EE regarding the AM BE200 chips? ROCKMINER managed to test them successfully, despite their boards being faulty due to broken parts. They've not yet manages to achieve the rated consumption, though. It'd be great if your EE managed to achieve those specs.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: loshia on April 13, 2014, 05:51:19 PM
Going to add another person to my ignore list. Funny how we only see the negative in certain companies when it is suitable eh?  

Anyhow... ANY help is appreciated thanks again AMT.
Face the facts Bick
If you are still reading it
And of course it is your project and you are free to decide what to do
And remember there is no free lunch :)
Wish you long and successful cooperation with AMT. The rating of AMT will beat BFL one soon ;D
Best
Some real guys who know  what they do and they do it well
vs3 and bkk
Cooperation with them will bring you much more. Make them part of your team if you can.
What actually matters is your reputation guy's and your team members skills. But if you trade all this for a free chips ???
AMT are proved to be ZERO competent from technical point of view


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 14, 2014, 04:02:58 AM
Going to add another person to my ignore list.

Funny how we only see the negative when it is suitable eh?

Anyhow... ANY help is appreciated thanks again.

Any news from your EE regarding the AM BE200 chips? ROCKMINER managed to test them successfully, despite their boards being faulty due to broken parts. They've not yet manages to achieve the rated consumption, though. It'd be great if your EE managed to achieve those specs.

We have the "H" Hornet to work through first and when the EE lead in Seattle does that then he will start working through the AM BE200. I will check in with him middle of the week and see where we are then. Yes I heard that they had some issues. The other EEs we are bringing on will likely work through the A1 and BF2 boards as we have completed a lot of work already and have chips in hand for those and it would be ideal for newer EEs to pick up and run with that.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: minerpumpkin on April 14, 2014, 09:45:42 AM
Going to add another person to my ignore list.

Funny how we only see the negative when it is suitable eh?

Anyhow... ANY help is appreciated thanks again.

Any news from your EE regarding the AM BE200 chips? ROCKMINER managed to test them successfully, despite their boards being faulty due to broken parts. They've not yet manages to achieve the rated consumption, though. It'd be great if your EE managed to achieve those specs.

We have the "H" Hornet to work through first and when the EE lead in Seattle does that then he will start working through the AM BE200. I will check in with him middle of the week and see where we are then. Yes I heard that they had some issues. The other EEs we are bringing on will likely work through the A1 and BF2 boards as we have completed a lot of work already and have chips in hand for those and it would be ideal for newer EEs to pick up and run with that.

Good! It is essential for us getting to know the 'real' or actual consumption levels of those chips. Please try and give us the best insight you can get on what the consumption is, also give us an estimate how much of an improvement we may still get and how accurate the measurements are. Oh and don't forget to cool the chips during testing, they may perform considerably different otherwise. (You <=> EE, interchangeably in this text  :))


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 14, 2014, 10:03:14 AM
What I would suggest as soon as the EE in Seattle is on to it we get you in a meeting with him and you can pick his brain. Or come to the meeting after he has it ready and you can really ask all the questions you need to ask. I'll will PM you the details as soon as we get to that point or just email me weekly asking is it ready yet... is it ready yet... is it ready yet. We welcome genuine interest and we hope whenever possible to provide time for those who want to learn more about what we are doing behind the scenes. Sharing information like that is really important if we are going to really push DIY boundaries.

Description: What it's like being an engineer in the corporate WPC environment

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/83971545/ <--- Video the EE in Seattle sent me... I think he is trying to tell me something?


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: minerpumpkin on April 14, 2014, 10:06:52 AM
What I would suggest as soon as the EE in Seattle is on to it we get you in a meeting with him and you can pick his brain. Or come to the meeting after he has it ready and you can really ask all the questions you need to ask. Ill will PM you the details as soon as we get to that point. We welcome genuine interest and we hope whenever possible to provide time for those who want to learn more about what we are doing behind the scenes. Sharing information like that is really important if we are going to really push DIY boundaries.

Thanks! I'll try and gather all the questions we need to be answered  :)


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 16, 2014, 01:15:57 AM
Latest Update:

We have paid for our SpondooliesTech Hammer chips which will go into our Hammer Hornets and Hammer Whiteface designs.
We have ordered our Black Arrow Minion chips which will go ino our Minion Hornets.



Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 19, 2014, 02:49:02 AM
Where would a Hammer Whiteface go?

Into an Allied Control system like this.

Animation of the system (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByWHHc0u_thNejVQYzFIT1I5ME0)

 System specification (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByWHHc0u_thNdzB3c2hvVzJkcTQ)

Then into a  datatank system  (http://www.allied-control.com/datatank) like this anywhere you want.

http://www.allied-control.com/images/datatank/40FT_Container_06_01_resized.jpg


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: minerpumpkin on April 19, 2014, 07:10:17 AM
Where would a Hammer Whiteface go?

Into an Allied Control system like this.

Animation of the system (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByWHHc0u_thNejVQYzFIT1I5ME0)

 System specification (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByWHHc0u_thNdzB3c2hvVzJkcTQ)

Then into a  datatank system  (http://www.allied-control.com/datatank) like this anywhere you want.

http://www.allied-control.com/images/datatank/40FT_Container_06_01_resized.jpg

There's a discussion about this in the AM thread. Isn't this directed at the AM chips?
Any news regarding the BE 200 chip from your EE? :) considering that today will be the conference?


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 19, 2014, 07:19:07 AM
Well given we might have time between the Hammer and BE200 Hornets and the conference in HK it might be possible to have both Whiteface boards ready. But I think that is a tall order for our team to get even 1 Whiteface board done, but that is something that we will be talking about today at the meeting. I think what Allied Control is looking at is doing a standardized form factor so the type of chip is not the focus but rather the system they are suggesting.

Meaning... any design can get dunked in that system in HK. Not sure if we will have something but I hope we do have 2 types of boards to drop in a tank in coming months.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on April 20, 2014, 06:02:07 AM
TLDR Minutes of meeting:

+ Work is continuing on the Hammer Hornet design is nearly complete, then work on BE200 Wasp.

+ The search continues for a new design package that is reasonably priced per seat so we can get more EEs at the design table.

+ The Mining Pool is ready for testing although we will need to build a team to help service and maintain it we are currently sourcing new members for that purpose.

+ We will be at Inside Bitcoins HK (http://www.mediabistro.com/insidebitcoins/hong-kong/?c=ibhkelmb) and it might be possible to have some of our prototype Whiteface boards hashing at Allied Control while we are at the Inside Bitcoins HK conference.

+ We are adding 4 new EEs to the WPC still waiting on them to pay membership.

+ We will have general WPC meetings fortnightly and the interim weeks project teams can meet in their groups to push projects forward.

+ We will be moving forward to setting up our WPC legally by June hopefully.

+ Next general meeting Saturday May 4th, 2014.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: hozer on April 30, 2014, 10:31:56 PM
Where would a Hammer Whiteface go?

Into an Allied Control system like this.

Animation of the system (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByWHHc0u_thNejVQYzFIT1I5ME0)

 System specification (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByWHHc0u_thNdzB3c2hvVzJkcTQ)

Then into a  datatank system  (http://www.allied-control.com/datatank) like this anywhere you want.

http://www.allied-control.com/images/datatank/40FT_Container_06_01_resized.jpg

How about we make an ammonia-cooled wasp q3ube (http://q3u.be/patent/q3ube/) and put one on my farm?

 http://q3u.be/patent/q3ube/cube.png (http://q3u.be/patent/q3ube/)

The benefit of this is the cooling system would be under an AGPLv3 license, and I can use leftover coolant for fertilizer.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on May 01, 2014, 03:03:01 AM
Sure. We can get you a board to test out when we are done. PM me or email me.

Although at this time we won't have time to fit any specific form factor you may need. We are currently working on Hammer Hornet which could be tested in a 2 phase Allied Control system as a demonstrator in HK in June when I am at the Inside Bitcoin event.


ftp://ftp.nrcan.gc.ca/pub/outgoing/nrcan-rncan/2013-143_RP-FIN_e_(Ref-2013-132)-VFinale-2013-08-15.pdf

http://www.carnotrefrigeration.com/en/refrigeration/co2-cooling-system


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on May 02, 2014, 04:03:24 AM
The EE's have had to refocus our efforts away from the BF2 and A1 chips as they are now less than desirable packages for development and this shift has allowed us the opportunity to look at even higher density and 2-phase cooling using the Hammer chips and then the BE200 chips as well as looking towards future chips like the RockerBox / PickAxe S-Tech chips and the Black Arrow Minion in what we call the Hornet and Whiteface boards.

We are singularly focused on pushing out the Hammer Whiteface and that will be tested at Allied Control in Hong Kong is a 2 phase Novec tank. The Hammer Whiteface is not going to be the end point or release point for our DIY design timeline as we are moving directly to BE200's and RockerBox chips after that. This will be in a standard form factor that can be housed in the DataTank configuration that Allied Control is coming up right now. That is our longer term goal on development. Coupled with this we are also working to develop a pool / hardware hosting & collocation / cloud mining / hardware sales that are housed in a single data center or beta test node configuration and will be available to customers both big and small. The nodes we are going to use are in the EU and US but we are also looking at Asia / Oceania for beta testing.

Ripped from our development hub...

Big Board Architecture - Hammer Chips

Hornets and Whitefaces - collectively the "Big Boards" - are sharing a common architecture, differing mostly in form-factor. They each have a power section, responsible for producing the voltages needed to drive hashers. They have four collections of 16 hashers each, called "quadrants" because they are positioned in the four corners of the board. Separating these quadrants horizontally are two microcontrollers (MCUs), along with two CPLDs per MCU. These CPLDs contain programmed logic to translate signal voltage levels, adapt the MCUs' SPI to the hashers' serial communications, and to assemble the hashers into eight serially connected groups, or "chains", each containing 8 hashers. This assembly process will allow the MCU to bypass any non-functional hasher, thereby rescuing the remaining hashers in each chain of 8, and allowing the remaining hashers to produce work.

The vertical gap between quadrants is filled with four dual voltage controllers, whose responsibility is to convert 12V DC at moderate current levels to the 0.7-0.9V at high current levels required by the hasher cores. These controllers will be programmable, and can adjust their outputs in small increments over the range of .... and the rest is on our development hub pages.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/Whiteface_Physical_Layout_zpsa3ff3307.png



Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: minerpumpkin on May 07, 2014, 09:52:45 AM
ROCKMINER received a couple of chips (23k) today (https://twitter.com/RockMinerInc/status/463863744297054208 (https://twitter.com/RockMinerInc/status/463863744297054208)).
Did you order/receive/expect some of those as well?


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on May 07, 2014, 10:13:10 AM
We are only getting / got 2 chips ;D.

More if we need them supposedly, that is what our EE said last meeting.

As we have already paid for our 1100 Hammer chips we are looking at those shipping today or tomorrow to Seattle from Israel. All those chips will be made into Hammer Whiteface boards most likely. The BE200's will be designed for Wasp and Whiteface. The difference between the Whiteface and Hornet is minimal so those looking for cooling like a standard air / heatsink or a 2 phase Novec system then you will have 2 possibly 3 options with our designs as they will come out at roughly the same time. Noting that the BE200's could be cheap and readily available we are also doing our original Wasp / Hive configuration for the DIY market or for density in smaller sized data center configurations or home use.

Minion and Rockerbox chips we will definitely need to look at water block or single or 2 phase cooling. We are hoping our meeting with Allied Control in at Inside Bitcoin HK in June will prove fruitful.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: necro_nemesis on May 07, 2014, 10:35:06 AM
Got any independent test results on the BE200 you may or may not have and care to share? ;D


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on May 07, 2014, 11:09:34 AM
Nothing to share as we have not started designing that iteration of the Whiteface / Wasp boards yet. BE200 is 2nd priority right now.
When we have we will share what we can.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: gamersglory on May 11, 2014, 10:10:16 PM
We are Looking at Scrypt ASIC's as well I will be working that front for now


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: BitCoin Operated Boy on May 13, 2014, 01:13:21 PM
Hello,

Just to let you know guys. I am thinking about selling on e-bay bulk HF Golden Nonce chips soon if anyone is interested.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on May 13, 2014, 01:28:49 PM
Hello,

Just to let you know guys. I am thinking about selling on e-bay bulk HF Golden Nonce chips soon if anyone is interested.

Currently have enough chips in our design pipeline.

Thanks for the information will keep it in mind for later in 2014 if the price is right and if HF compensation for customers seems to be resolved.



Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: arkintunde on May 22, 2014, 10:36:38 AM
Just found this post and I'm very interested. Just to make sure I'm understanding this correctly, you guys are working on some DIY instructions for building miners if you have access to chips like the Minion from BA? If this is correct, that definitely sparks my interest as I have a delayed order with BA that they have offered to convert to Minion chips. What kind of knowledge would someone need to be able to follow these DIY instructions to build a miner? What kind of equipment would I need?

Thanks


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on May 22, 2014, 12:39:14 PM
Just found this post and I'm very interested. Just to make sure I'm understanding this correctly, you guys are working on some DIY instructions for building miners if you have access to chips like the Minion from BA? If this is correct, that definitely sparks my interest as I have a delayed order with BA that they have offered to convert to Minion chips. What kind of knowledge would someone need to be able to follow these DIY instructions to build a miner? What kind of equipment would I need?

Thanks

Currently we have set priority for chip development based the small team and limited resources of our group currently as we are self funded and we do will not fabricate and sell our miners. We will license our designs and firmware to those who are interested in resales or fab and ownership of our boards. The Black Arrow Minion chips were pushed later down the list. Here is the order of prototype development. There are a number of people working with BA on to fix the design and will more than likely be completed well before we even look at our later designs for the Minion. Our priority right now is the Hammer chips from Spondoolies we have in hand. The hammers are the 7.5 Gh/s chips, this design will only be a test bed for the WPC and our plan will be to rework this design with newer more powerful Minions, Rockerbox and Pickaxe chips. Rockerbox 200 Gh/s, Minions 115 Gh/s and the Pickaxe unknown Gh/s.

I let our EE know immediately when I learned about the BA delay and if he has time he might help if he can with the issues with their backplane design as we have had a good relationship with support back and forth with BA over the past 12 months. Having said that here is our priority for development.

Primary Development
 
Update will be available at our 31st of May Meeting on the following designs.

1st -  Hammer Whiteface   

(Allied Control) DataTank Prototype Form Factor   
2 Phase Cooling Test Board   
64 chips
480 Gh/s

2nd - Hammer Hornet

325mm x 325mm Prototype Form Factor
Air Cooled   
64 chips   
480 Gh/s

Edit

3rd - AM BE200 Hornet

325mm x 325mm Prototype Form Factor
Air Cooled
64 chips
768 Gh/s

Slated for Later Development Summer 2014 and into 2015

Rockerbox SpondooliesTech (Q2 Release of Chips)
Black Arrow Minion (In hand)
PickAxe SpondooliesTech (Q4 Release of Chips)

Having looked into our crystal ball we will probably be opening up membership again and looking to get more shares sold to the members in order to push on with our designs into the 2014 and 2015. If you are keen on membership please feel free to PM me or email for details. As always we need firmware designers and pcb designers to join the group as well as people keen on pushing the next generation of miners for DIYers and Higher Density Mining Operations looking for more control and density out of their replacement equipment.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: arkintunde on May 22, 2014, 01:03:49 PM
Hmmm. I could potentially have 100 minion chips with their compensation offer which, if built into miners, would offer up a much better chance at ROI than the Prosperos themselves. I would have to start mining by July to make ROI though, so perhaps this is not feasible. Still, having no ROI on 14 TH/s worth of equipment is better than having no ROI on 6 TH/s if I'm looking at an investment within the same range. Is it reasonable to think you guys might have a working set of instructions available for Minions by August? I calculate that my ROI (or lack there of) would be equivalent or marginally better with the chips if I started mining by then.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on May 22, 2014, 01:14:57 PM
Hmmm. I could potentially have 100 minion chips with their compensation offer which, if built into miners, would offer up a much better chance at ROI than the Prosperos themselves. I would have to start mining by July to make ROI though, so perhaps this is not feasible. Still, having no ROI on 14 TH/s worth of equipment is better than having no ROI on 6 TH/s if I'm looking at an investment within the same range. Is it reasonable to think you guys might have a working set of instructions available for Minions by August? I calculate that my ROI (or lack there of) would be equivalent or marginally better with the chips if I started mining by then.

Correct you can't wait a day into July even if you want to make something of this. I have a few friends in this boat with you and there really is little you can opt for. Sell the chips? Sell the lower level compensation type miners? Get a refund? All I am sure is the WPC really at this point is focused on the form factor and the spoondoolies chips. We want to get something testing in Hong Kong come June at Allied Control. Given where we are now I am not even sure we can make that self imposed deadline but we will know more by May 31st at our meeting.

I would wait for them to get you a miner in your hands. Even if you have a design in hand, parts, fab, etc and a good EE to oversee things I am not sure chips are good option if the trend in getting things to work holds fast you need to have spondoolies / bitmain like commitment to pull off a working board. Also slight errors in fab could render all your chips POOCHED. You can't easily remove this type of chip and start again it would cost you a lot just to try with no certainty of success. I wish you luck and everyone else as well. It is sad to see BA go through such a hiccup so close to the finish line. As for August and a Minion Whiteface or Hornet who knows where we will be given the small team and the tight budget you are probably much better off looking towards someone like Marto, warts and all, for something along that angle to get chips to boards but do your research first before going that route.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: arkintunde on May 22, 2014, 01:46:01 PM
Awesome. Thanks a lot for your response  :) Who's Marto Warts? I'm not so sure the chips are going to be the route I choose, unless I find someone willing to purchase 100 minion chips now, considering your advice, but I am still curious.

Edit: A bit of searching and I think I found who you mean ;).


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: dmcdad on May 22, 2014, 02:13:17 PM
Regarding near term and further out roadmap, did the AM BE200 design fall off the map? Looks like AM will have the most affordable pricing per GH on their chips in the near term so I would definitely be interested in hardware that supports their chips.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: dropt on May 22, 2014, 02:39:00 PM
Regarding near term and further out roadmap, did the AM BE200 design fall off the map? Looks like AM will have the most affordable pricing per GH on their chips in the near term so I would definitely be interested in hardware that supports their chips.

It's already out and for sale through some less than trustworthy channels.  As low as 1$/GH in bulk, $1.4 - $1.5GH in smaller numbers.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on May 22, 2014, 03:35:15 PM
Regarding near term and further out roadmap, did the AM BE200 design fall off the map? Looks like AM will have the most affordable pricing per GH on their chips in the near term so I would definitely be interested in hardware that supports their chips.

AM BE200 is in there. I should edit that.

Would be 3rd in the pipeline. Likely an air cooled Hornet. Yes definitely AM is an excellent option price wise. Unfortunately we will have to sell a few shares before we can push too much beyond the spondoolies as we have budgeted only up to the Hammer chips we received last week. But ya if people are still doing the DIY thing the AM I would agree is an excellent choice but you know the drop in prices between bitmain and spondoolies for full miners makes me wonder how low things will go chip wise.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Somekindabitcoin on May 22, 2014, 11:07:23 PM
Seriously eh? They now sell the SP 30's for $1/GH


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: necro_nemesis on May 22, 2014, 11:35:29 PM
Seriously eh? They now sell the SP 30's for $1/GH


Delivery in August. The price of what you have and what you're going to have is separated by light years in this business. If it comes to unit cost AM should be able to do well with the low cost of 40nm process node until power requirements become the predominant factor.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on May 23, 2014, 07:59:00 AM
Seriously eh? They now sell the SP 30's for $1/GH


You can get an SP10 1.4 Th/s for just under $2 gh/s shipped today I think but go check.
I got 2 x SP30 or 12 Th/s for $0.69 gh/s free delivery for August well under $1 for the chips today. Even with chips in hand not sure I could beat $2 a board. Things need to be ramped up on a huge scale to get that sort price per unit.

The trend is down. Way down.
 
The SpondooliesTech are using a different pricing model I think on the chips. Instead of frontloading the costs they are spreading it out over a longer term meaning their chips are already going to be sub $1 at the 28nm possibly for sale but definitely set in the miners.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on May 23, 2014, 10:29:22 AM
Awesome. Thanks a lot for your response  :) Who's Marto Warts? I'm not so sure the chips are going to be the route I choose, unless I find someone willing to purchase 100 minion chips now, considering your advice, but I am still curious.

Edit: A bit of searching and I think I found who you mean ;).
You can try http://technobit.eu

I know they offer assembling chips on miners... Good luck!

Good luck indeed... make sure you do investigate any fabricator before you use them and that goes DOUBLE for that one given the issues some people have had getting refunds and hardware at times. You have been duly warned. Go ask Joeventura, Ben Turas and Darkfriend77 about what they had to go through with them.


Check this out:

Quote
Code:
	
Re: [Group buy] Avalon chips Escrow John K / BG EU 2 batch CLOSED + K16 from 40 EUR
September 16, 2013, 13:34:51
Reply with quote  #355
Code:
GB1,darkfriend77,32,2.72,1LJiC5hmBY7EWrWzfq3NUcsJj4J5HMYcT8,Refund

signed the msg above!

Code:
IKdMhPDUShUI3ELLcN8P2WBEk3/xxvqxeAo3CdGjWjVXIxaMtaT3QqjICFOT9yI3pH0lPAP89ycUZbB4at/I+Wg=

this a pretty lame tactic to even get the refund delayed more ... in the hope it gets shipped ...
we allready had more then 50% of chip amounts from users of GB1 voting for a refund ...
sad that your are acting  ... like that ... there where some good examples ...
from zefir, sebastianJu & bizwoo ... how to organize ... a gb refund ... you show us that ...
it can be done the otherway ...


When are you going to pay what you owe Marto74 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=84195)?
Trust: -5: -3 / +4(4)
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3487112#msg3487112 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217316.msg3487112#msg3487112)


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: sbogovac on May 23, 2014, 10:33:51 AM
Good luck indeed... make sure you do investigate any fabricator before you use them and that goes DOUBLE for that one given the issues some people have had getting refunds and hardware at times.
Wasn't Marto the guy behind (or at least associated - on this forum - with) Technobit...?


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on May 23, 2014, 10:36:43 AM
Good luck indeed... make sure you do investigate any fabricator before you use them and that goes DOUBLE for that one given the issues some people have had getting refunds and hardware at times.
Wasn't Marto the guy behind (or at least associated - on this forum - with) Technobit...?

Let us get back to the WPC stuff. Let Marto have his 12 threads.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: sbogovac on May 23, 2014, 10:49:24 AM
Let us get back to the WPC stuff. Let Marto have his 12 threads.
Good point! Was only trying to help arkintunde out a bit...

As for WPC; you've been at it for almost half a year now, got a working miner yet?


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on May 23, 2014, 11:28:41 AM
Let us get back to the WPC stuff. Let Marto have his 12 threads.
Good point! Was only trying to help arkintunde out a bit...

As for WPC; you've been at it for almost half a year now, got a working miner yet?

Nothing but a testing board that is being used by the lead EE. Looking at June as I posted above for the prototype for cooling in the Data Tank mock up at Allied Control.

Nothing goes out the door unless we are sure someone can build it and get the firmware running on it and hashing away. So we are focused on that right now. The only clock / calendar we are concerned with at this point is one that gets us a system that is working and can demonstrate the fact it can be reworked for the more powerful 28nm chips and cooled effectively so that the chips don't melt themselves off the PCB. Two stages before we get something to the end users. Feel free to PM me if you want a sneak peek at our next meeting that way you can find out where we are at.





Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Beastlymac on May 24, 2014, 08:43:54 AM
If we could keep this thread on topic please.

I am busy enough as it is with my offline life.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: btmtb on May 31, 2014, 12:42:17 PM
Introductions
- New Shares on Sale
Is this to be an announcement of new shares available in the wild, or an availability to existing members? Will you be posting any details outside of the TS chat?


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on May 31, 2014, 01:17:42 PM
Introductions
- New Shares on Sale
Is this to be an announcement of new shares available in the wild, or an availability to existing members? Will you be posting any details outside of the TS chat?

All shares always internal to the WPC members only. We have an interest in looking for angel investors possibly but they would have to discuss what level of commitment they have etc and see if the WPC plans for open source are of interest to them. Or possibly those looking to fab their own board then resell. The design we have won't be ready for that until later in the year. The current design we are working on is the prototype for the allied control datatank form factor below using Hammer Spondoolies chips, the other variants are still months away using the Minion or Rockerbox chips which would be viable as a commercial product in the 2-phase cooling market niche or the Hornet, a larger board which is an air cooled variant.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/IMG_8271_zpsae28b5e2.jpg

If you want to discuss it a bit more with me then drop me a PM with your email address.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on June 09, 2014, 03:50:30 AM
Hammer Whiteface Update:

http://gifcountdown.com/america-los_angeles/1402731000/141414/0f0f0f/aaaaaa/fdfdfd/faedad/true/australia-melbourne/counter.gif

Next General Meeting:

Saturday 14th June 2014

Teamspeak:

Regular Channel

Location Time:

Seattle, USA 1030 PDT Saturday
London, UK 1830 GMT Saturday
Central Europe 1930 CET Saturday
Jakarta, ID 0030 WIB Sunday
Melbourne, AUS 0430 Sunday

Agenda:

Welcome any Guests

- If you are interested in being a guest and ask questions feel free to PM Beastlymac for details.
  We will answer all you question in meeting.

Wasp & Hive Update

- Hammer Whiteface Update
- Software / Firmware Update
- Releasing EE Sweat Equity Share Buy
- Releasing Prototype Equity Share Buy

Overview of Hong Kong Conference Inside Bitcoin

- Goals
- Allied Control Visit Review Hammer Whiteface bubbling
- Meet with ASIC Fabricators
- Attend Panel on Mining
- Meet with Chinese based Miners and Pool Ops.

----

Note this will be the last meeting before the Hammer Whiteface is shipped off to the team at Allied Control in Hong Kong. We will be releasing the next round of share sales that will cover EE's sweat equity and more shares to cover the next phases in prototype development. Members should check your emails and the forum as the latest accounting for the WPC is up.



Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Beastlymac on June 11, 2014, 08:12:27 AM
Bad timing.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on June 11, 2014, 08:20:06 AM
Bad timing.

Sucks.

Always late night for this side of the world.


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on June 12, 2014, 10:03:00 AM
Potential Air Cooled version of the Hammer Whiteface / Hornet boards:

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/aircooling_zps6f0f32c3.png

Preview Render of a DataTank with Immersion boards:

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/Preview_Tank_12_zps96c1bccd.png


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on June 13, 2014, 05:37:11 AM
Working on the WPC Pool still a few bugs.


http://wpc1.sicanet.net/wasp.png


WPC Pool Site (http://wpc1.sicanet.net/)


We all need comedy relief right?


Title: Re: The Wasp Project Collective Information thread.
Post by: Bicknellski on June 14, 2014, 09:25:29 PM
Notice to the Bitcointalk community.

The WPC has voted to close this thread and have agreed that I will no longer be the spokesperson for anything related to the WPC here in Bitcointalk.org.

The members of the WPC will, when news is available, post relevant notes, and information to the bitcointalk community. If you need to contact the WPC for anything please contact  "Beastlymac"  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=124875)via PM.