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About fucking time...


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/trump-designates-antifa-terrorist-organization

This is years past due. They have been able to operate freely in Washington state for much too long and terrorize the people there.

I believe there is no right side in this conflict anymore which makes things even more messy.

So called Antifa people rob shops while MAGA people shoot people with bows.

It is out of control now and Trump's move isn't going to solve a damn.

The truth is even in America there are too many poor people and they got sick of being poor. That's  where the hate coming from.

Your bolded statement is missing a reference.

Antifa is doing more than robbing shops, they are terrorizing citizens, killing innocent people, and causing property damage to innocent people.

Bow guy:
https://twitter.com/Gingersonfire/status/1266884385854255104

Sword guy:
https://twitter.com/oracularrevenge/status/1266961337336414209

You forgot the part about how these people are "MAGA people"

Also, in both cases, the terrorists went way beyond self-defense in beating both of those people, and as such should be brought up on terrorism charges.

You may have a point. I am not favoring either side though. I said it is out of control now. It doesn't matter who is right from now on.

There will be blood either way.

Riots were also in past. I remember Los Angeles. Have no ideas what year it happen about 20 years ago. No one cares about it anymore. So soon everyone will forget about current riots. Nothing will changed. I think internet and because everyone have camera brought riots into our homes. That is why everyone is getting so upset.

If that is so, that's against the wises of 99% of the people in the US.

This is a situation where pretty much everyone has condemned the actions of a policeman who saw the video of his actions.

What exactly does this do, other than allow people to say 'they are terrorists, the president made it official'?
Will members of Antifa all still have the same constitutional rights as everyone else?  Will the FBI be able to investigate them in a way they couldn't previously?

The bow guy didn't shoot anyone, that information is false. From what I understand, he yelled "all lives matter" out his car window, he was surrounded, beaten, then he took out the bow and aimed it at people but did not shoot it. His car was then flipped over and burned. There is a ton of misinformation floating around, don't fall for the rage bait.

In both of these cases these men were attacked. For fuck sake there was a group of about 10 people stomping his face into the cement while he was passed out, there is absolutely no excuse for that, and you can't pretend that was just an attempt at disarming him. Furthermore you found two examples of questionable behavior to create a false equivalence. Enjoy sifting through the endless hours of footage of ANTIFA engaging in terrorism over the past several years here (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=antifa+attacks). These two things are not at all equal.




"Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO)"

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/terror/IF10613.pdf



"8 USC 1189: Designation of foreign terrorist organizations"

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1189&num=0&edition=prelim

Here are 2 videos from different angles (graphic):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yImHy8-pkns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM46N1sbyF4

He said in an interview ‘First, I got beat up when I yelled “All Lives Matter”', "Then I pulled out weapons and I got beat up some more." But it seems like he didn't get beat up until about 20 sec after he pulled out his hunting bow and aimed it a bunch of people while yelling 'all lives matter'.

I'm not sure what provoked him to get out of his car - my best guess is his car got hit by bottle or rock or something.
He seemed fine when he got out of his car and started aiming at several different people.  It looked like he was about to shoot each time - but he didn't:
https://i.gyazo.com/6acd5a0301485511fa496d552d088bac.pnghttps://i.gyazo.com/fde3c329e306906a2e56e3cfad58bfe8.jpg
After ~20 seconds he got tackled by a bunch of people.  They beat the shit out him, flipped his car and set it on fire.

I'm pretty sure these are both pictures of his car:
https://i.gyazo.com/c4bf831c77a257954fdab76b4839ce52.jpghttps://i.gyazo.com/7f551f717d5374bb319e585fcd265cd2.jpg

He did an interview with a local news outlet right after: https://twitter.com/justin_golight/status/1266932928623321090?s=20

Trump should designate the Nevada 'Burning Man' desert for all this kind of stuff.

 :D

First the story was he was indiscriminately shooting protestors with a bow and arrow, then it was he was aiming at protestors, now it is he got out of his car so it is his fault a mob beat the shit out of him? Are you even looking at what you are justifying right now? Don't try to tell me you aren't because that is exactly what you are doing.

I also like how some how magically you know for sure what happened before the camera started rolling too as if it is TOTALLY UNTHINKABLE his car was being vandalized while he was trapped while they block traffic, and he was being threatened well before any of this happened. Of course any time shit like this happens the story just quietly gets rolled back, no one apologizes, and everyone just quietly pretends it happened like they were told. Then the rage bait that resulted from it remains, and he remains bloody and bruised while demonized by millions of retards looking for any excuse to unleash their cognitive dissonance. Such big tough guys mobbing up on a scared old man and beating the shit out of him. Clearly this is to be defended.

This depends on if Trump is designating them a foreign terrorist organization or a domestic terrorist organization.

The qualifying factor appears (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1189) to be that ANTIFA is a "foreign organization". It is unclear based on my initial research what the definition of a "foreign organization" is.

If they are designated a domestic terrorist organization, the designation appears to be largely symbolic. It would probably get some people to think twice before giving money, or other support to Antifa. It is also a signal to Antifa members that the feds are watching and are going to be bringing charges against Antifa members who engage in terrorism, which hopefully will get them to think twice before continuing to engage in terrorism. Antifa often operates in very liberal cities where law enforcement policies effectively allow them to wreak havoc without consequence. Bill Bar said anyone who crosses state lines, or uses the interstate system to commit a crime is committing a federal crime, which means that anyone using interstates to travel or purchase supplies could be charged with a federal crime. He may also extend the theory for people who use the internet to communicate to commit a crime, or the banking system to purchase supplies to commit a crime. I think both of these may or may not hold up in court, but they have the potential to scare people out of continuing to engage in terrorism.

Classifying Antifa as a foreign terrorist organization would have serious, real consequences. Their assets would be frozen, and anyone giving them support would be committing a serious crime.

I would not be surprised if Antifa is receiving money from foreign governments, and foreign people. It is also likely that Antifa's messages are being amplified by foreign governments on social media. I am not sure if either of these would be sufficient to classify Anifta as a "foreign terrorist organization", or if it would hold up in court. If they are classified as a foreign terrorist organization, I suspect a handful of members of congress and some in the liberal media will likely end facing charges.

Pointing a bow and arrow is not something that would justify beating the man. Self-defense is limited to removing the threat of harm, which was about 2 seconds after he was first hit by the mob. Setting his car on fire was completely unjustified under any circumstances.

He may have deserved some beating (or rather restraining) depending on the circumstances - it's hard to tell from the choppy videos how real his threat was or what provoked it. Certainly didn't deserve a skateboard to the head though. Certainly didn't deserve his car torched even if it's a Dodge Caliber. It looks like people lose all sense of perspective or restraint when there's more that a few in one place. Knock him out, take away his bow, anything beyond that is just savagery.

Fuck you. He didn't deserve ANY of that, and you even insinuating he did makes you a total piece of shit.

If he was actually threatening to shoot people with an arrow then he needed to be restrained. Or would you prefer that someone shot him with a handgun instead?

It seemed pretty clear to me he was attempting to defend himself, but you are right, maybe a mob really did need to beat the shit out of him and burn his car for their own protection.

I don’t think knocking him out would be justified. Maybe knocking him down. Given the number of people that swarmed him, he was probably no longer a threat before the first punch was thrown from the front.

That's why I said "depending on the circumstances" and "how real his threat was or what provoked it" but you chose to read only 3 cherrypicked words from my post. It's not at all clear that he was defending from anything. And just as torching a car is not an adequate reaction to someone pointing a bow and arrow, pointing a bow and arrow is not an adequate reaction to people passing by, which is what the videos appear to show.


I didn't say that. Quite the opposite.

Again, you don't know what happened before the camera started rolling. The rioters are blocking traffic, trapping him there, and you can clearly see his bumper is smashed in from the video. There are tons of videos of people attacking passing vehicles doing nothing but trying to get to their destination, but yeah, it is actually a wild conspiracy theory to say he was attacked first.

ANTIFA is not an organization. There is no member list.  No training or practices.  it simply means- "Anti Fascist" so now anyone who opposes fascism can be labeled as a terrorist, stripped of all rights and held without trial.  

Interesting.  The threat of aggressive prosecution seems like it would be the most effective way to reduce crime.  From what I can tell antifa is more of a movement than any sort of organization though. No real structure or evidence that they are well funded.  My guess is they just organize themselves online and agree when and where to show up ready to create chaos.  

Even if they were an organization, wouldn't it be unconstitutional to make it a crime to 'support' them as  in: wear an Antifa t-shirt or hold an antifa sign at a protest?  You'd have to actually give them money or train them to do something illegal...which is already illegal (something like aiding and abetting).  Just making it illegal to protest or show support would be....facism...right?

For the record, fuck them.  I don't want anyone to confuse my questioning of what can be done to stop them with empathy for this particular group.  Their way of doing things is only damaging the values they claim to be fighting for.  I'm also not convinced that they are 'behind' these protests.  I could be wrong, but I think it's more likely that they are a relatively small group that is basically hijacking the protests.  I'm not on the ground, and never will be, but I am physically very close to some of the protests that have been making headlines.  From what I've heard the overwhelming majority of protesters are not looking to cause violence or destruction.  Pushing the whole 'these protests are left wing extremists' narrative is very dangerous to do if it's not true.  It will only silence and scape goat the non-leftwing-extremists that are protesting.



Agree with you both.  The guy didn't deserve anything more than a hard tackle.  Maybe throw his arrows into a river or something.

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His face when the camera started rolling:
https://i.gyazo.com/93e3a630d2b97016e1daa5299c285ec2.pnghttps://i.gyazo.com/5fd0786e419390346597072ca30353d7.png

His face after the attack:
https://i.gyazo.com/8fe7797cb489705423e380fc5f0dae2d.png

Here is the statutory (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2339A) definition of the types of support that would be prohibited if anifta was designed a terrorist organization. The punishment (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2339B) for providing material support to a foreign terrorist organization faces 20 years in prison, or a life sentence if their support can be attributed to the death of someone.

I don't think wearing an antifa tea shirt would qualify, however, I also don't think antifa has tea shirts, as from what I have heard on news reports, and read on news reports, they like to keep their identities secret, and use violence to prevent anyone from filing them. My understanding is they primarily engage in violence and intimidation of citizens. I also understand they have operated in Washington state for quite some time with impunity, in broad daylight. This implies they have some politicians in their pockets who are preventing them from being prosecuted.

You are not able to have riots in many cities across the US all starting on the same day (Friday) without funding. Airline prices (and hotel) are low right now, so the cost of getting professional protestors into place may be cheaper than it would normally be. I have heard on the news that police have found numerous cars with "stashes" of rioting supplies that rioters were going to in order to cause damage in multiple cities. This implies they are fairly well funded.

I also know there are some "freedom funds" that are being used to bail out people who are arrested. This may also fall under the above-referenced definition of "support".

There's lots of money being raised to bail people out of jail.  But don't assume that the people raising it, or the people donating support antifa or are encouraging violence though.  Many people are being peacefully arrested minutes after curfew as an act of civil disobedience, paying their bail is one way to show them support.  

In general I think now more than ever is a time to be skeptical of anymedia report or political statement.  We're witnessing a propaganda battle from both sides that's in many way similar to what happened in New England during the late 1760s.  Protests, riots, and civil disobedience, followed by both sides spreading as much propaganda as possible about the events to make the other side look as evil as possible with little regard for the truth.  All that matters is you convince as many people as possible that whichever side you're on behaved honorably and the other side were horrible villains.

I don't mean to imply that the current 'left' or 'right' are the same as either the loyalists or patriots.  I'm not really confident in any of my assumptions on what's actually happening - just hoping this is all over soon.  It's sad to watch.

Police in the majority of cities are not arresting rioters, except in the most egregious cases, and this is not even happening all the time.

If you look at who is defending who and whose statements have been debunked, you should get an idea as to what is true. On the left, politicians are directing police to not arrest rioters and are in some cases defending them. They are being called out for what they are on the right.

In Minnesota, elected officials had said that over 80% of rioters were from out of town and that White supremacy groups are instigating the riots, however arrest records show that most arrested are not from out of the state.

There are also many on the left that are donating money to those arrested to post bail, and again, most rioters are not getting arrested, let alone protestors. To me, money speaks louder than words, if White suppremists were out there rioting, those on the left would not be defending the riots, and they would not be giving money to get them out of jail.

Also, to prove a point about the funding of Antifa, there are videos of people going to piles of bricks in the middle of cities. How would a pile of random bricks get to the middle of a street?  Here is an example
https://mobile.twitter.com/fleccas/status/1267326702771793920

mark my word, trump will soon get the democrats to be publicly considered as the dirty and racist and unamerican party, and then he will end the 2 party system and make america a 1 party dictatorship like china

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

So how many people were killed this weekend? In 1992 riots that happened just in LA 69 people died.  It seems to me that media simply exaggerate with current riots. Democrats and Republicans are using it for their promotion or better to mock the other side. For sure also other countries that did not got much love from USA in the past are using the riots. Promoting how people in USA are unhappy.  Just like USA media claims about people in Hong Kong or Iran or Venezuela or North Korea or ....   What is happening right now is totally normal. It is actually very mild for a militant society as is USA. Where are all the guns that people own in USA? Bows and swords and stones. What is this an Iron age. Come on!!!

current riot was a racist power demonstration.

democrats showed that they can start nationwide riots for a killed black criminal,

and that will be a good reason for the coming trump dynasty to hunt down democrats.

They are clearly unhappy though.

You don't need to have any hidden motives to see that.

These people don't only damage properties.

They steal too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIOwreHwCiw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qvXQU9R5Aw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzSyTwODslE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIPmOs6pC_c

They suuuurely ain't look happy.

more americans need to farm their own crops like in a ordinary third world country

Over 4,000 arrests have been made as of last night:
https://apnews.com/55933b8695e36337a6bfe96728b3e7f3

There's plenty of footage showing that many of the arrests were peaceful and made for violating the curfew or having an unlawful assembly.  The cops get loud speakers and say 'if you don't leave right now, you will be arrested', people don't leave and when it's their turn they cooperate and are booked into jail or processed and released with a court date.  I can't find any numbers showing how many arrests were for crimes other than curfew violation/unlawful assembly, but I would guess it's the majority of total arrests.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADPqJ8LPd68
https://abc7.com/more-than-900-arrested-after-looting-fires-sweep-socal-amid-protests/6224201/


I'm trying to find a politician that is calling police to not arrest rioters, but can't.  I'm seeing lots of statements condemning violence and looting while also supporting peaceful protests and condemning all the footage of police abusing their power during protests.

Just like there are some protesters taking advantage of the situation and doing things that normally would be impossible to get away with, the same is true for police.  Both should be condemned and neither should be used as evidence of the way all cops and protesters are behaving.

I assume you're referring to the governor, who made it pretty clear he couldn't confirm it and his suspicion was based on national reports (https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/walz-white-supremacist-groups-drug-cartels-suspected-at-minneapolis-riots-but-reports-still-unconfirmed).  He also walked back his estimate that 80% being out of state when the arrest data came out.[/quote]


Most are not being arrested, yes.  But thousands are and many are basically volunteering to be arrested for violating curfew.

Here's a good article on the Minnesota freedom fund which seems to have collected the most money over the past few days: https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/5/29/21274665/minneapolis-protests-minnesota-freedom-fund-twitter-bail

Very well could be antifa.  Wouldn't be surprised if the Bricks belonged to the owner of the closest building which had scaffolding up either.

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tldr; Most cops are good, but the few who aren't will get the most attention.  Most of the protesters are good people, but the few who aren't will get the most attention.  The problem is that the peaceful protests going on are boring...except this one, (https://twitter.com/airbagged/status/1267186740110012423?s=20) so most of the attention is just going towards the bad causing outrage.

It is most certainly organized. It has a regional cellular structure with high level organization and funding not only from actors like George Soros, but also the CCP via "Confucius Institute" fronts operating out of colleges all over the nation.



"China Encouraging BLM ANTIFA Rioters Across U.S. Cities" https://www.dailysquib.co.uk/world/37236-intelligence-china-encouraging-blm-antifa-rioters-across-u-s-cities.html



"Pentagon to End Language Funding for Universities That Host Chinese Communist Party–Funded Confucius Institutes"

https://www.newsweek.com/confucius-institute-pentagon-communist-chinese-1406772



"Universities report $1 billion in previously hidden foreign funding after feds threaten investigations"

https://www.thecollegefix.com/universities-report-1-billion-in-previously-hidden-foreign-funding-after-feds-threaten-investigations/



"Donors of Anti-Trump ‘Resistance’ Group Revealed (Center for Community Change -- 2015)"

https://www.scribd.com/document/360602355/Donors-of-Anti-Trump-Resistance-Group-Revealed-Center-for-Community-Change-2015



"China's Foreign Ministry Tweets "I Can't Breathe!"

As America's Rivals Troll US Over Unrest" https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinas-foreign-ministry-tweets-i-cant-breath-us-rivals-troll-us-over-unrest



"America is Under Attack by 187 Groups Funded by George Soros"

https://humansarefree.com/2017/04/america-is-under-attack-by-187-groups-funded-by-george-soros.html



"Greta’s Parents Pictured in Antifa Gear & She Raised Funds for Antifa-supporting Organisation in Europe"

https://humansarefree.com/2019/09/gretas-parents-pictured-in-antifa-gear-she-raised-funds-for-antifa-supporting-organisation-in-europe.html



"Billionaire George Soros spent $33MILLION bankrolling Ferguson demonstrators to create 'echo chamber' and drive national protests"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2913625/Billionaire-George-Soros-spent-33MILLION-bankrolling-Ferguson-demonstrators-create-echo-chamber-drive-national-protests.html



"Liberal Money’s Longterm Strategy To Control Public Opinion And Secure ‘Advantageous’ Demographics"

https://dailycaller.com/2016/11/02/revealed-liberal-moneys-longterm-strategy-to-control-public-opinion-and-secure-advantageous-demographics/



"Soros-Funded Militant Group Claims ‘German Contingent’ At G20 Protests"

https://dailycaller.com/2017/07/07/soros-funded-militant-group-claims-german-contingent-at-g20-protests/




Of course they don't publish member lists, they are a criminal organization. There are however member lists.



"LIST OF ALL CONFIRMED ANTIFA MEMBERS!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RehiI0BwV88




"Antifa sets up recruitment shop at University of Florida"

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=13767



"Antifa Is Arming Itself Against a Trump Crackdown"

https://newrepublic.com/article/154110/antifa-arming-trump-crackdown



"Socialist Rifle Association – DC Metro"

https://sra-dc.org



"'Antifa' movement in Phoenix: What it is, and why officials fear it"

https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/10/09/antifa-movement-phoenix-what-you-need-to-know/700415001/



"Rose City Antifa"

https://www.rosecityantifa.org



"By Any Means Necessary"

http://www.bamn.com



"George Soros funds Ferguson protests, hopes to spur civil action" https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/14/george-soros-funds-ferguson-protests-hopes-to-spur/



"Donors of Anti-Trump ‘Resistance’ Group Revealed"

https://freebeacon.com/politics/donors-anti-trump-resistance-group-revealed/



"Black Lives Matter: Produced by George Soros"

https://humansarefree.com/2016/07/black-lives-matter-produced-by-george-soros.html



http://www.disruptj20.org/




They certainly do have training and a very clear modus operandi.



https://www.redneckrevolt.org/



"Forming An Antifa Group: A Manual"

https://itsgoingdown.org/forming-an-antifa-group-a-manual/




This is the classic PR response that people enabling these terrorists seek to parrot. This is little more than a marketing slogan to cover for their international terrorist and criminal activities. ANTIFA itself fits the profile of a fascist organization itself all the while constantly acting as if they are against it.



"Liberals cheer as antifa violence escalates"

https://nypost.com/2019/07/17/liberals-cheer-as-antifa-violence-escalates/



"Armed 'anarchist and anti-fascist' attempted to firebomb ICE facility in Tacoma, killed in confrontation with police"

https://www.theblaze.com/news/terror-armed-antifa-member-attempts-to-firebomb-ice-facility-in-washington-is-killed-in-confrontation-with-police



"Watch as Antifa Member Shot To Death After Drawing on Police"

https://thefederalistpapers.org/opinion/watch-antifa-member-shot-death-drawing-police



"A Communist & Anarchist Movement That Explicitly Endorses Violence"

https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/organizations/antifa/



""Far-Left Or Anarchists" - Intelligence Reports ID Rioting Protesters; Mostly Locals Arrested"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/they-are-outsiders-minneapolis-officials-blame-white-supremacist-terror-cells-rioting



"Look Who Funds The Group Behind The Call To Arms At Milo’s Berkeley Event"

https://dailycaller.com/2017/02/03/look-who-funds-the-group-behind-the-call-to-arms-at-milos-berkeley-event/



"Anarchist Extremists: Antifa"

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/54d79f88e4b0db3478a04405/t/591b46fad1758ef3d2ed8d2f/1494959867234/Anarchist+Extremists+-+Antifa.pdf



"Why I Joined Antifa, and Why I Left—Gabriel Nadales [CPAC 2020] | American Thought Leaders"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yga9cwCImXc



"Andy Ngo: Breaking Down Antifa Violence & Extremism [TPUSA Special] | American Thought Leaders"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGTliKNQ2g8



"Antifa Origins & Tactics Exposed, After Andy Ngo’s Assault At Portland Protest—Jack Posobiec"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN0YWWiSicw




They are in fact an international organization, and they have been in Europe since the 20's. They also have a presence in South America, and probably a few other regions. They fit well within the FTO designation.

ANTIFA Merchandise:

https://www.redbubble.com/shop/antifa+t-shirts

https://www.etsy.com/market/antifa_tshirt

https://www.teepublic.com/gifts-and-merchandise/antifa

https://www.punx.uk/product/antifa-t-shirt/

https://society6.com/tshirts/antifa

Do you really think that there's one single organization that's been around since the rise of fascism that lead to WW2?

It's a movement.  Not an organization.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/02/us/what-antifa-trump.html

Here's a chart that explains other differences:
https://creatingthefuture.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Movement-or-Organization-chart-form-07-24-15.pdf

TECSHARE

Antifa is movement from 1930 and means anti fascist movement. Many organisations and people in last 90 years looked upon Antifa. And they will in years to come. They also use Antifa emblem those 2 flags. Wearing it it means you are antifascist. I do hope most of us are. I live in country which nation was first victim of fascism and because of us it sort of started. And if they did not taught you that in school, trust me it is shit

People that loot this stores in USA and people that fights protesters can wear the Antifa flags but have nothing to do with antifascist movement. They are just bullies or criminals. And will be sooner or later put in prison.

i bet tecshare has very little education on what was happening in europe when facism was spreading.  if he did he would never link todays shit for brains that are burning down the country to the antifacists that were resisting hitler and mussolini.

My guess is the thought process went something like this:

Trump: 'antifa is a terrorist organization.'
Other people: 'it's not an organization, it's a movement.'
TECSHARE: Those other people are questioning Trump.  I must prove them wrong!  **googles anti facists** Bingo! 'They are in fact an international organization, and they have been in Europe since the 20's!'
Other people: **facepalm**

I don't consider you to be a peaceful protester after you begin violating the law and stay past curfew. The curfew is not being used to suppress protesters, it's being used to prevent looters and rioters from taking over entire city blocks and causing millions in damages. Some departments have even had officers join in on the peaceful protests to show solidarity with people that want to express their rights. Cities need to get a grip on the violence that's been going on their jurisdiction and curfews are the only solution.

Police don't have the resources to control entire crowds to ensure they stay peaceful because they end up having a few violent people in the bunch which causes a mob mentality and quickly devolves into riots. 

Spot on.

"LOCK THEM UP!!!"

Why not?  If I break curfew and burn buildings, I am a violent protester.

If I break curfew and do nothing else, I am a peaceful protester.  

The "Antifa" are amazingly identical to Hilter's brown shirts, and other provacateur operations of the 1920-1940s.

I didn't need Trump to tell me what I already know. As you can see here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5162208.0), and here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5101007.0;all), I was raising the alarm about this issue a long time ago.




Who said it had to be a single unbroken chain for it to qualify as a FTO? Also they currently operate internationally. Additionally I clearly documented they are an organization. Just because they have a mostly cellular structure doesn't mean they aren't an organization. You know who else has a cellular structure? Other terrorist organizations.




I am not linking it, the smooth brains burning shit down are.

Fascism is a super nationalist, authoritarian political ideology that.  Fascism is explicitly against democracy.

(Powerful military) + (Dictator that doesn't hesitate to use it to destroy any person, group, country or race that stands between them and more power) = (Fascism)

This is what the anti fascist in Europe during the early 20th century were resisting.

By making this claim about the modern American Antifa:


You are not only legitimizing them, you're disrespecting those that fought against fascism and implying that Trump is actually fascist.


tldr;
My opinions that I'm sure TECSHARE actually agrees with:
Anti fascist movement in Europe during first half of 20th century == good.  
The American political movement that is referred to as 'Antifa' == bad.
Hitler and Mussolini == fascists
Trump !== fascist (ty US constitution)

you really need to have some mush in your brain to say that  :

Anti-fascist = terrorist

And then on the other hand :
White supremacists = not terrorists  (even when they shoot 50 kids in a college campus)
Nazi = Not terrorists   (even when they shoot 50 kids in a college campus)
Klu klu klan = not terrorsits  (even when they lynch/ hung american citizen)


Anyway, AntiFa members are Americans, so Americans are terrorists (right ? it is not me that say it, it is Trump).
Trump is American, antifas are Americans,  hence Trump is a terrorist.

Thanks, Trump you are definitely making the world a better place

Fun fact:
TECSHARE considers progressives more racist than any member of the Klu Klux Klan.


edit: actually there's nothing fun about that. 

Because the curfews have been put in place to prevent looters from taking advantage of a lack of man power from police. Organized protesting is fine and no governmental body nor police have an issue with that. There were even some LEO's joining in. However, when protests go on till 2 in the morning, you're without a doubt going to get riots/looting.

Sucks, but it's a classic example of a few bad apples spoiling the bunch. Not really any sort of alternative.

Just before President Trump was elected by the community, some radical islamist and racist terrorist organizations in the Middle East were being both financed and armed by USA (This issue has nothing to do with the American people, they are not even aware of what is going on in the world due to the puppet media. This media also harms the American people, all they want is to control the world and continue to be a source of finance. In fact, names like George Soros, they have led American politics for a very long time but now I believe this will change thanks to President Trump). I was glad as if Recep Tayyip Erdoğan was gone from my country when President Trump was elected but you know what happened? Trump was targeted million times by the puppet media (it's disgusting). Tecshare just doesn't think political correctness is correct and he is an honourable man who loves his own country. I am aware of what problems you have in your country. Never stop telling the truth, my friend.

true george soros made black emancipation possible and libtardation, he is truly an enemy of black people,

sorry but george soros is what the black movment stands for

Weren't Americans fighting facists in WW2? Should they also punish the veterans retroactively?

So the violent extremist left has killed off the old Antifa, skinned it, and wears that skin as a shroud to ward off complaints about it's intents and purpose.

The Left has done this sort of thing many times. It's nothing new.

Only purpose "Antifa" has ever had is to oppose fascists. Antifa is a wide spectrum of people, literally anyone opposing fascists can call themselves antifa. And i wouldn't call people burning buildings "left side" because left side wants a big government and often comply with rules without any hesition, (wearing masks etc), so destroying govenrment property doesn't suit that ideology. People who are burning buildings are frustrated and that frustration doesn't need to have anything to do with right/left axel.

Also antifa doesn't have "leaders" so it's hardly organization or has a spokesman. Rounding up some activists that happen to oppose Facism as well as many other things doesn't do anything to this mystical "Antifa".

So sue me, i am antifa.

Socialism and communism should be banned and any followers should be imprisoned and re-educated.

Those ideologies are evil and incompatible with capitalism.

The middle-class or rich kids who are disillusioned by these ideologies should be sent off to North Korea to live as North Koreans for a while until they understand that capitalism is the most natural; the best economic system ever invented.

ANTIFA is a dangerous organization.  No central leadership to arrest or destroy.  Sort of like Al-Queda.  It is an idea that needs to be killed.

Do you realize you are actually describing bitcoin? 8)

You want to imprison every ANTIFA member there is? Do you know how many thousands of them?

That's not a way to fight communism or any other idea.


What if capitalism is the problem?

That is a really half assed definition of fascism do you could shoehorn Trump into it. What nazis remain in the US are small in number, a joke, and almost totally ineffectual. I am also willing to bet a large number of those are federal agents doing surveillance. ANTIFA on the other hand has been a growing problem engaging literally in terrorism for some years.

Legal definition of terrorism (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2331):

"As used in this chapter—
(1) the term “international terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States, or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum;"

I go down that list and the organization known as ANTIFA checks all of those boxes.

I am not disrespecting them, these protofascist cunts that call themselves ANTIFA are by LAARPing revolutionary while the literally burn the country down as if that will brig social justice. They are just a mob of idiots suffering delusions of grandeur and pretending to be revolutionaries while they assault, murder, and burn things down.




I can call myself Prince Abdul Superman Duke of York. That doesn't make me any of those things. The logic you are using here is beyond simplistic.



Any member of the KKK? No. Most members of the KKK? Quite possibly. The KKK has been castrated many years ago and is mostly today just a bunch of ineffectual rednecks. Some of them are even doing community work now. ANTIFA is churning out extremists assembly line style. Lets look at some common progressive beliefs and tell me which ones aren't racist.

-Minorities are incapable of achieving things on their own so they need special help form white people to help them succeed

-Only white people can be racist (https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/440dzw/cmv_critical_race_theory_unnecessarily_redefines/)

-Support Planned Parenthood which by far ends the lives of mostly black children by the millions and was created by an open eugenicist Margaret Sanger (http://).

-They believe in a "Hierarchy of Identities (https://legalinsurrection.com/2017/10/progressive-stack-racialgender-speaker-hierarchy-an-occupy-wall-street-legacy/)" also known as a "Progressive Stack (https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/progressive-stacking-teaching-technique-sparks-debate)" which is used at speaking events which automatically gives priority to the "most oppressed" based on race, gender, sexuality, etc.

-Support entitlement programs that make minorities dependent (https://web.stanford.edu/class/e297c/poverty_prejudice/soc_sec/hfemale.htm) and break up families (https://www.heritage.org/welfare/report/how-welfare-undermines-marriage-and-what-do-about-it)

-Support gun control which was originally designed to disarm free slaves in the USA (https://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.racism.html)

-Support illegal immigration which overwhelmingly harms black workers (https://outline.com/W7MUzL)

There is a lot more, but this is enough for what is arguably off topic from the conversation. Progressives use accusations of racism as a thin veneer to cover for their own perpetration of it and to hide from the guilt of the results of the racist ideologies they support.



https://i.imgur.com/OWZPYPj.png




I can call myself a WW2 veteran just like I can call myself an "antifascist". That doesn't magically make me either one of those things.




ANTIFA are what have been described as "useful idiots" in the past. They adorn themselves in the heroic mythology of fighting fascism, when in reality their actions demonstrate them to be everything they claim to hate. ANTIFA does in fact have leaders, organizations, and spokesman as I have already documented. Most ANTIFA members are not just activists, they are extremists who perpetrate criminal violence, and are by definition terrorists.




Exactly. The left, and communists especially are very fond of rebranding. That is why the phrase "that wasn't real communism" has become such a joke and a cliche, because they are constantly just renaming themselves while perpetrating the exact same ideologies. It is a constant game of redefinition of terms rather than changing of policy and ideology in order to escape culpability for their actions. This is at the core of communist/Marxist ideology to infiltrate organizations and identities and subvert them toward communist/Marxist goals at the expense of the original intent of the group/identity. Once they are exposed, they abandon that identity, and move on to the next.

and lets not miss the fact that the word "terrorist" has been hyper-politicized over the last 20 years to loosely mean "anyone who the government wants to get rid of".   The US has constantly called groups terrorists and then armed them and supported them in later conflicts when they needed their help.

I am using the legal definition of the term terrorist. The rest of your statement is a non sequitur.

americans were not just fighting fasicm, they also fought against:

german nationalism

german national socialism

german capitalism,

etc.

The page on Antifa by the Southern Poverty Law Center is quite interesting. It's obviously they are pushing the lie and backing the violent anarchists/communists.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2020/06/01/designating-antifa-domestic-terrorist-organization-dangerous-threatens-civil-liberties

Antifa is a fascist organization, despite their name. This is similar to North Korea having Democratic in it. They claim anything they disagree with is “fascist” which is similar to how many on the left claim that anytime someone disagrees with their stance, they are “racist”.

I am not concerned with unlawful assembly, I am concerned with people burning buildings, shooting cops, breaking windows, stealing from stores, and beating people. The rioters have been able to act with impunity. Here is the proof, the riots are continuing and are getting worse. Arresting someone with unlawful assembly usually amounts to being in handcuffs for a few hours, being released and getting a fine that won’t get paid. The rioters should be facing years/decades in prison.

The mayors and governors are in charge of the police force and National Guard response. If rioters are not being arrested, this is because they have been ordered not to, or have been ordered to arrest people in certain circumstances.

Many in the left wing media have been defending the riots.  

Yes, he has not offered any proof. The rioters are not white supremacy groups, here is my proof, if they were, left wing extremists celebrities would not be donating millions collectively to bail them out of jail.

That wasn’t the only video I saw of that happening. Here is better evidence
https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbusPolice/status/1267568211370934272

I don’t think the bricks belonged to any building nearby.

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I have noticed there is a lot of propaganda. There is actually a troubling amount of propaganda, to the extent that the presence of this much propaganda bothers me.

I don't know if you were trying to be funny but that's what authoritarian regimes - often communist regimes - do with dissidents. It never really ends well in the long term.

Its not an organization at all.  North Korea on the other hand is a place with a state and a list of government officials and governing documents.    If a group of fascists call themselves "antifa" that doesn't mean they are antifa.  It means they are liars.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-washington-protest-disinformation-bot-behavior-n1221456
They were never antifa.  They were posing.

-The police in several cities using tear gas to make protests go away is terrorism by definition

-Trump's threats to use the military against the will of the states to crackdown on protesters would be terrorism by definition.

This comparison doesn't make sense in any level.


No you haven't. Did you even read what i said? Do i need to repeat myself?

Network isn't a same thing as organization, and is that antifa merchandise supposed to be a proof of some kind? Proof of what?
That i can just make and sell my own antifa gear?

Anyway this was just another outburst and a weak gesture from Trump trying to distract our attention to elsewhere. And (should i lend the term) "useful idiots" will eat it up.

These aren't protests any more, they are riots. Protesters obey the law. These are mobs of people murdering, beating people, looting, and burning shit. I did in fact document that they are an organization. I noticed you skipped over the rest of my sources to focus on tshirts.

Huh?

The "weak gestures" are from liberal governors who let cities burn.

Trump said if they wouldn't stop it, he would.

There are riots.  And there are protests.  Just because there are riots does not make the protests not protests anymore.
Not always.  Probably the most well known example is MLK being arrested for protesting in the 60s.
Another example: in LA the other day there were hundreds of people protesting.  The cops declared it an unlawful assembly and gave everyone a chance to leave. Many simply sat down and waited their turn to be arrested.  No violence, no looting, just protesting after being told to stop.  Civil disobedience is one way to protest and dissent is literally where patriotism came from.

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Did you change your mind?

They aren't just engaged in unlawful assembly, and they are certainly not nonviolent. Yeah I change my mind, progressives are more racist than any KKK member. You people are fucking disgusting and why no one can have a logical nuanced discussion any more, because any nuance is turned into a "gotcha". You enjoy enabling murder, beatings, looting, and arson.

i lived studied and worked in germany last 30 years, antifa has its origin here

believe me it is extremly exhausting having them constantly in the political debate, it feels like a parasitarian worm is continously drilling your bring, people will suffer having them constantly being pissed off.
there is always force in life.

no government is perfect, antifa destroyes production chains and causes poverty.

And you enjoy the murders of Americans by the people that are supposed to serve and protect them (ie the police).



Just to explain the above statement :  you are against protests that are against police brutality, hence you do not condemn police brutality, hence you enjoy police brutality.
Maybe if you knew that 50% of the police casualties are white (574 out of 1093), you would change your mind. Blacks only represent a mere 24% of the police murders.

So, you can join on the train (condemn police brutality), and still look "good" by supporting white supremacist racist people.

OMg, so much double negation and touches of sarcasm in the above.

Yeah, i am not going to waste my time browsing ~30 articles or videos from vague conspiracy sites or for your amusement, i have stuff to do.
If you had actual proof, you would be more specific.

He googled something like 'antifa is an organization' and posted a bunch of the search results.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5252416.msg54543632#msg54543632

This whole thing is a staged setup to make Trump look bad.

Watch the video at the link to the site, below. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=667&v=CJ9hqde1XMo )


Something Doesn't Add Up! Organized Riots? Staged Bricks, Bail Out's & De Blasio’s Daughter Arrested (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/283958-2020-06-02-something-doesnt-add-up-organized-riots-staged-bricks-bail-outs.htm)




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Actually I used to run a Youtube channel focused on nothing more than police brutality for several years, this was of course before it was trendy to hate all cops just for being cops. I had over 5000 subscribers and nearly two million views. I also got more death threats than I could count. Of course feel free to tell me what I enjoy while you make excuses for people who might very well cause a civil war and societal breakdown. I am sure your "justice" in the dark running from roving gangs of murderers and rapists while you starve will be worth it.




So the groups own website is not proof enough? The guide published by ANTIFA detailing how to start a group isn't enough?

[slaps "CONSPIRACY" sticker on it] "Yep, no need to reply now"

Just because you refuse to read it doesn't change the fact that I documented they are in fact a collection of organized groups.




I have been monitoring the activities of this organization for at least 5 years, and up to 19 if you count "black bloc" from 1999. You have fun with your shallow baseless assertions, because we both know you have no argument to stand on here. ANTIFA is a terrorist organization.

It was done in the US in the past, see the "Third Enforcement Act".

But in the current political environment, it might be impossible as the House is full of ANTIFA sympathizers.

As for ANTIFA, they commit criminal acts and can be detained and charged for those, never mind their crazy, utopian ideology.

The ideology they profess will lead to economic genocide and will affect ALL Americans.

The use of cells at the higher organizational level of an attempted communist takeover is well documented. This was done by those agents of the Communist party under Mao in organizing the "student protests" in China that led to the takeover in 1949.

"Trump Denies, Then Admits, Going to White House Bunker During Protest"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/us/politics/trump-protests.html

“Well, it was a false report”
“I wasn’t down — I went down during the day, and I was there for a tiny little short period of time, and it was much more for an inspection, there was no problem during the day.”

I wonder if the deep state leaked it to Antifa that it was bunker inspection day.

Good on you! I believe that more people should "film the cops", hold them responsible. Document police brutality, report dirty cops and of course sue them.
Why did you stop? that was a very noble cause!

So why did you turn 180 deg and are now defending dirty cops? why are you against the first amendment (freedom of peaceful speech / peaceful march)?

One of the definitions of fascism is "Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition" which is basically the exact definition of what I see when I watch  "police the police' or "film the police" videos.

I'm pretty sure that cop watchers see themselves as social heroes, fighting police fascism ... aka Antifa

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I think that you are against the looters, the mob that wants to burn cities down, create a revolution, and that are hiding among the #cantbreathe protests.
Only a fool (Donald Trump duck) would mix everybody in the same panel

I stopped when I realized that the shift against police was being purposely turned trendy to weaponize it to sow division and create chaos, also when everyone suddenly thought it was ok to hate all police. It became propaganda, not just reality based criticism. Weird how people act like you are the enemy when they get treated like the enemy isn't it?

Please quote exactly the statement where I defended dirty cops.

I am pro-freedom of speech, however when there in nation wide civil unrest which is directly endangering the lives of thousands of people, possibly millions if it expands, then the protestors should go home, at least until the rioting stops. These people, if not violent criminal themselves, are directly and in some cases purposely serving as direct cover for rioting.

This is what these ANTIFA cowards do. They come to protests of ANY KIND left or right, hide among the crowd, pop out and beat, stab, burn, and steal. Then they slip away back into the masses to escape. ANTIFA is also closely affiliated and organized with BLM. They also share some funding sources. These are not innocent protests. This is PR cover for violent unrest.

People need to wake the fuck up quick and realize this is an organized effort to destabilize our nation and soften it up for it being taken down. Take a look at the historical patterns used in "color revolutions" all over the world. A more recent example is "The Arab Spring". That is happening here, and it is NOT organic. This is NOT going to result in anything you like. What it will however result in is society breaking down, and death, destruction, poverty, and starvation becoming commonplace, but you can at least rest assured that you were trying to fight for justice when that does happen.



More media propaganda exposed...

"No Tear Gas Used Ahead of Trump’s Church Visit: Police"

https://www.theepochtimes.com/no-tear-gas-used-ahead-of-trumps-church-visit-police_3374470.html

"Jersey City Protesters Rally At South Precinct, Mayor In Crowd"
https://hudsonreporter.com/2020/06/02/jersey-city-peacefully-protests/

"Another peaceful Jersey City rally marches on City Hall"
https://www.nj.com/hudson/2020/06/another-peaceful-jersey-city-rally-marches-on-city-hall.html

https://i.gyazo.com/d2fb80ed30d55af8cc46413f5ef0f5bd.png
https://i.gyazo.com/e89ee3bf8c95ac1f91458aedc8e0ed47.png
https://i.gyazo.com/972f3da2a56c406db25591bdb6a1dcbc.png\

No violence.  Not even any arrests.  The mayor marched and the cops knelt with the protesters for 9 minutes.  I know for a fact these pictures and reports are not fake news.  It's what's actually happened.  And it seems to be happening all over the country world.  Although I can't personally vouche for what happened at all of them.

Stereotyping everyone that protests as a violent thug is not helping.  It's hurting.  When you see the media report on a protest, don't just assume they're a bunch of thugs.

https://i.gyazo.com/b22edf4bc4c0db5ce07a6ee866448c4d.png

Damn media saying they used tear gas when all they really did was throw smoke canisters and shoot pepper balls and people!

I would like to thank you for developing a great answer to my questions.
You are 100% correct, the overgeneralization of a "minority" is never a good idea.

10 bad cops in NYC, doesn't mean that all the cops in all the states are crooked, black (or Hispanic) killers.
This week, the world discovered the "basketball" cops and his newly founded charity.

In the same time, 10 bad Muslims doesn't mean that 1.2 billion people are terrorists.
And 10 white American "lone wolf shooters" doesn't mean that all the white Americans like to shoot kids at uni for sporting.

Shortcuts are always the recipe for fuck ups.  



I guess It was a shortcut from me.
you are against all the "good" people expressing their 1st by peacefully walking the street against cops brutality.
Hence you are "for" what they are against.
The whole situation isn't all black and white (not referring to skin color here).



This is the exact issue of these "solidarity" walks.
And this happens in all states in all countries and for whatever the purpose of the walk is.
you will always find people that go there to cause unrest, destruction, intimidation.

however, calling all the peaceful walkers terrorists is something else.



Something is going up, someone is taking advantage of this unrest for political purposes.
Who ? this is the 1 billion $ question.

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Final point, if I was in the USA (I'm not). I would definitely live in a major city, probably not NYC, Memphis, LA or any of those huge one.
Something a little bit low key, more family, smaller.
I would definitely, in support of the family of the deceased, partake in a peaceful walk. Definitely go home as soon as the unrest start.
I would feel betrayed by the government if, by doing so, I was accused of terrorism by affiliation.

Once something or someone is defined as a terrorist, aiding, assisting, supporting it makes of yourself a terrorist.
So much for a 1 st amendment.

I walked a couple of blocks in a crowd yesterday. Not that I was in a particular protest mood, just that some streets were closed and I had to get to... well, a federal building, but that's a whole other story. Anyway, people around me sounded extremely pissed at rioters and I think if someone showed up with a brick in hand it wouldn't have ended well for the brick person. Kinda ironic and over the top but the protest march ended before curfew without any incidents so hopefully cooler heads are winning.

Yeah, I know TECSHARE will spin this into me being antifa thug on a mission to loot the federal building but he's been yearning for a civil war for years so give him a break.

You tell me about "shortcuts", then immediately do it again by saying I am against peaceful protestors and for what they are against. If these were nation wide peaceful protests I would be supporting them. However as I explained these protests are being used as physical and PR cover for riots and destabilizing the nation.

Just as one bad guy doesn't make everyone in the group bad guys, peaceful protestors don't make the bad guys good, especially when they are often intentionally providing cover for rioters. This is a serious issue and the protests need to stop until the riots are under control. This is not ending the first amendment, and any time there is violence on this scale the police absolutely have the authority and the right to end protests until the riots can be ended. This is absolutely solid precedence for this course of action.

ANTIFA are terrorists, and the protestors peaceful or not are being organized, coordinated, and providing cover for ANTIFA. I already answered some of those questions as far as some of the people responsible in my earlier posts if you bothered to read them.

Ah, I see, you aren't here and are relying completely on the media to form your opinions. I am sure that couldn't possibly lead you astray at all. This is not ending the 1st amendment, and as some one who is not even an American, I would suggest you refrain from telling us how it is in our own country.




Yeah weird how all these rage bait stories keep having to get walked back by people like you, and each time you act as if this is a form of manipulation, bringing the real facts of the matter to bear. Police don't just randomly fire pepper balls at protestors unannounced. They give orders to disperse, and if they refuse, then they are then occupying that space illegally and get get dealt with. This is not playtime. You don't get to just refuse police orders then cry like a victim when you suffer consequences for your dumb choices.




Well whoopty fucking doo. I guess that erases the nation wide murders, beatings, arson, and looting taking place under the auspices of "protest". None of this negates the actual violence taking place. I could spend an hour compiling a list of all the murder, beatings, arson, and looting that just occurred over the last week, but anyone who bothers to look for 30 seconds can find more examples than they have time to review. Of course your little isolated peaceful protests make up for that I am sure.




You aren't an ANTIFA thug, you are just a disingenuous twat enabling terrorist activities. Warning people about coming problems is not "yearning" for them regardless of what occupies that twisted little peanut you call a brain.

Oh yeah.  The media got it wrong big time.  Here's a Libertarian article rubbing it in the fake news' faces.

"It Wasn't Tear Gas. It Was a Gaseous Substance That Causes Tears."
https://reason.com/2020/06/03/it-wasnt-tear-gas-it-was-a-gaseous-substance-that-causes-tears/

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I see you removed your own quote, which I was responding to.  I put it back in for you, but here it is again:


The point I'm making is that not all the protesters are violent thugs the way many people seem to be assuming recently.  Including you.

I've never been in US and currently watching the situation from abroad and it is sad to what ur nation is doing with itself. It seems to be a logical result of American pro-minority policy. All these riots are hypocritical and got no common sense at all, no one gives a shit about justice there. And the most pathetic is that this is getting support from officials and big part of community.
Some cops are getting killed during these riots but the other ones are staying on their knees before protestors, Tennessee national guard layed down their shields and some politicians like Biden, that have good chances to become a next president, already bowed down before black community.

Thanks to long term mindless support of these leftist the entire US policy and ideology turned completely cuckold. And even if riots stop soon this thing won't go away. You guys are already fucked.
Now it feels like all talks regarding a possible civil war are real.

LOL! Libertarian my ass. Once again, police don't just indiscriminately deploy any of these devices in spite of your hysterical protestations to the contrary. They give very clear warnings, and if you choose to remain after those warnings, then you deal with the consequences. These people are not victims or heroes. They are a bunch of lemmings and frothing lunatics filled with carefully engineered cognitive dissonance packed into their poor little heads by a media occupied by enemies of the nation and its people specifically designed to create division and unrest. It is a stage act, which all of you are dutifully playing your part in.

I removed my quote, because if people want to read it they can, because the original is still there. No one needs to see everything repeated 20 times, it is just annoying spam on a page. Of course you would love it if I included everything you include so the combined length of your screed with my statements makes people just skip over everything I say wouldn't you. Of course you would.

Just like the rioters are using protests to hide behind physically and metaphorically, you also hide the true destruction of these events behind a handful of isolated and well controlled events hoping that people will believe that this represents the whole. What is actually represents is the smoldering hole in the ground left over after they are done.

#justiceforjuicy

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That's not even a point.

Bill Bar just arrested 51 people on federal rioting charges related to the recent rioting throughout the US. Hopefully he will be able to make more arrests and that the destruction will stop.

The question is, will they get a slap on the wrist? Or will they be made to pay damages lost and extra for time lost?

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The local DAs are mostly allowing the thugs out without bail and will probably end up dropping the charges. I don’t think this is true for any Federal charges anyone gets. I wouldn’t be surprised if Biden were to pardon them on his first day in office if elected though.

If a person has some damage to his property, it's up to him to get as many videos of the damage being done as possible. Then he has to bring suit against the terrorists, himself... if he can tell who they are. Some of the rioters might be back in jail from this.

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Are you grouping all the protesters, from curfew violator to arson/assault/theft, as thugs?

Or do you mean they are mostly letting the people arrested for violent crimes or theft out without bail.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/those-arrested-over-two-nights-of-protests-and-unrest-in-st-louis-released-from-jail/article_6c06a78f-b9f3-59f2-842f-0d6c466e84e5.html

Take a look at the above article. I have my doubts that there are a lot of people getting arrested for being out past curfew. If there are and these people are not also being charged with other crimes, the police are arresting the wrong people and more importantly, are letting the wrong people off Scott free.

People backing themselves up against rioters... Watch the video.


"They're Getting The Sh*t Kicked Out Of Them": Antifa Attempt To Riot In California Suburb Goes Awry (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/284077-2020-06-04-theyre-getting-the-sh-t-kicked-out-of-them-antifa.htm)




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I agree they should be charged.

A couple days ago the total arrest count was over 4,000, maybe 5,000 though?  I imagine it's much higher now.  And there are absolutely tons of people that are choosing to be arrested as an act of civil disobedience.  The cops say 'you have 5 minutes to leave or you get arrested' and they just sit there and wait as the cops arrest them one by one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNrJAWRRe7E

I understand if you disagree with what they're doing.  But grouping them all together as thugs is wrong.  It's just not that simple.

I find it funny coming from an American to say that non-americans shouldn't be allowed to have comments about America

Shall I remind you that for the past 30 years Murica has had a word to say on every single  country / coup / revolution in the world.

Donald Trump is tweeting everyday multiple times about Russia and China, without being Chinese or Russian.

My wife is American, can you please let me know if I am allowed to talk to her and exchange ideas, or no ?

I only see one solution to restore democracy in the USA,  Murica should invade the US. (source Twitter)
It makes total sense,  the US has oil, and there are "unrest" and riots,  so the Americans must invade themselves to bring democracy.
Logic this what you guys have done for the past 30 years. 

Speaking with your wife about your thoughts on America is one thing.

Sharing your thoughts in the politics section of bitcointalk though? HOW DARE YOU!

democratic party needs also to be banned, its identity politics reached a level on which you can clearly say that the democratic party is systematically racist and are causing it.

trump wont be able to continue his presidency with it.

It's like the twilight zone.

TECSHARE is preaching about how we need government regulations on big companies so they don't get to much power, and Scorpio is all the sudden anti-racism? 

the american society needs to become completely different, it is constantly relying on europeans to migrate into it to keep sanity, trump is running the transition towards a selfsustaining society, it will be ugly and painful for the hedonistic americans, which till recently relied on immigrants running the nation for them.


no one truly in his mind can be totally anti racism, because it has possibilities that you might not want (reptilians, wolfpeople etc., sickly expensive retards)

future of usa is rather scanning black people for racism than being accused by black people for racism.

how on earth do black people have the right to demand from other races to be uplifted? black people invented theirn own form of slavery by migranting somewhere and demanding help, for whatever excuse, why are the greeks supposed to care for somalians instead of their own children? etc.

black people will never be satisfied and always bring up new excuses. the republic under trump can be fairly considered nonracist to antiracist. although i think less individualism would be more healthy.

i am looking forward towards trump banning the sick democrats and their media.

You do realize how network works? Anyone can pose as ANTIFA, even nazis. It's a loosely affiliated network that doesn't have a head.

How can you even watch the protests and claim that ANTIFA are organized when all you see is angry mob mentality of frustrated people, and in the contrast you see the police forces that are actually organized in comparison. Organizations need to have hierarchy to work properly.

Reason why i refuse to go trough your weird mount of "evidence" is because i've dealed with conspiracy theorists before and this is how they operate. Instead of focusing on providing clear proof with precision, they will bury you under the vague "evidence" that is often a pile of videos, sites, etc, and at this point usually people leave them alone and they think they have won the argument because no one with a life doesn't have time to watch that crap. And even if you waste your time debunking them one by one, it doesn't matter; They will just keep pouring more video links from their years of basement "research" from vague sites where they have connected some dots in their heads while searching for something more meaningful. Truth is just too boring for them and it's never enough.

If you wouldn't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist you would have more systematic approach on providing evidence, but that would require actual proof.
Just to be clear, the burden of proof is on you. Mountain of nonsense is not evidence. You are not teaching me anything, you are trying to shut me up.

Riot organizer?


George Soros "Paid Protestor" Opens Up
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/op1yqcIdhbE/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEjCPYBEIoBSFryq4qpAxUIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJDeAE=&rs=AOn4CLDOqqcPWJ9rP-dCeQA61vV0Rj0mNw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op1yqcIdhbE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op1yqcIdhbE)


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I recently watched a mainland China documentary about Mao's takeover of the mainland. The tactics used, including large networks that were rigidly organized into three person cells. Those in each had limited knowledge of any outside of their own cell. The protests, the provocators in the protests, the reactions, were weirdly identical to current American events.

So please layoff the condescending "You realize how network works," nobody here is that stupid.

As for XYZ being a "loosely affiliated network that doesn't have a head" how about if you want to assert that, you have the burden of proving it? Let me guess, you read that somewhere on the Internet and believed it?

Or do you think that because a couple liberals here agreed with you that you are right? It doesn't work that way. What's ACTUALLY going to come down on this is now with a designated TERRORIST label on these sick puppies, in very short order we'll have all the facts on what and who is behind them.

There's no MAGA group organizing to shoot others with bows.

Curious how the propagandists create moral equivalency and credible doubt, isn't it?

Nice redirection and reframing of the arguments.How do you like the path you are being led down, the narrative you are told to argue for or against?

I really don't care much about all this, it's just that "The what about them," to somehow justify something bad.

Lot's assumptions you got there. I was pointing out why i don't think that antifa is not an organization. If you disagree with me on that, start by editing wikipedia and please explain it in there that why it's suddenly actually an organization. After that we can debate on the relevance of your references. If they are solid, i'll agree with you. Before that, the burden of proof lies on you.

https://i.imgur.com/9jfhmxF.png

<- From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

Figured that's what you'd do. You did in fact read that "somewhere on the Internet" and believed it. Next you'll be arguing that your idea on what "loosely organized" is includes near simultaneous flash mobs at specific locations organized by cells using disposable burn phones, again across the USA.

Funny how you consider wikipedia article as "somewhere on the internet". Compared to what source exacly?

This was basically common knowledge and no one didn't want to challenge it before president snowflake came along.
I could argue that current director of FBI has also stated that they view antifa more as ideology then organization (https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/fbi-director-tallies-threats-domestic-terrorism-china-russia-violence-against-police), but i guess you woudn't care now would you? Because of your expertise feelings about it?

"Yuri Bezmenov - Psychological Warfare Subversion & Control of Western Society"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXN0aJD2BO4

No I wouldn't particularly care. Because Antifa is now designated a terrorist ORGANIZATION.

So what exactly do you want to argue? That's wrong?

Interesting history of Antifa.

https://americanmind.org/essays/the-real-history-of-antifa/

Designated by whom? By Trump? That's not how words work. Reinventing the terminology doesn't really solve anything.
Just like it would be meaningless to designate Bitcoin as a company in order to shut it down. Just by saying it doesn't change how it operates.


You are catching up. It's not an organization.

I got it now, believe me. Asshats aiding and abetting the precisely synchronized, orchestrated waves of violence, who now may confront FBI agents asking about their actions as part of Antifa, can  now stand down the agents by arguing "Antifa is not an organization."

Sure am glad we all got that figured out!

BLM should be designated as a racist organisation

Antifa is a movement, not an organization. 

You need to stop relying on the media and do some objective research of your own.  Try to prove yourself wrong - it won't be hard.

I learned some stuff about 'antifa' that I didn't know.  Goes all the way back to the 1800's:

  https://youtu.be/athqBSwOzBE?t=4055 (https://youtu.be/athqBSwOzBE?t=4055)

Why, you are exactly repeating what someone else said! What nice sock puppetry! But look at my post?

Asshats aiding and abetting the precisely synchronized, orchestrated waves of violence, who now may confront FBI agents asking about their actions as part of Antifa, can  now stand down the agents by arguing "Antifa is not an organization."

Don't you feel good, knowing that little white boy, proud Antifa in mom's basement can argue "Antifa is not an organization" to the not-Friendly FBI agents who have knocked on his door to discuss his terrorist operations with the Antifa Organization?

I gotta give you a hint how that's going to turn out. Those FBI agents are not going to be friendly.

I've already linked this, but I'll do it again and make it a bit easier.

Either way - you'll need to be willing to have your mind changed - and I can't do that for you.  Hopefully this will encourage you to consider being objective - and if it doesn't (which I expect), hopefully the lurkers will consider it.


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It's lots of words.  Might take you more than a couple minutes to digest - it's worth it though.  Give it a read.


https://creatingthefuture.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Movement-or-Organization-chart-form-07-24-15.pdf

Just like all leftist retards, if you don't like facts, simply redefine the words until the facts become irrelevant and you never have to take responsibility for anything! That is what post modernist relativism, critical theory, and Marxism are all about. You can literally organize mobs to murder, beat, burn and loot all you like and call yourself a movement, and suddenly it is ok!

Did you read any of the words?

Give it a shot.  You might learn something.  No shame in learning something.

I don't give a fuck about your pathetic attempts at diversion. I have been monitoring the activities of ANTIFA for at least the last 5 years. They are in fact a terrorist organization by the legitimate legal definition of the phrase. You think you are being clever here, but what you are unleashing is going to cost you more than you can imagine. Pretty soon your pretend time hero LAARPing fantasy will be more real than you can handle shithead.

No they aren't.  They are a movement, not an organization.

https://i.gyazo.com/264128835dc3c9a110121a11fbcba60d.png
https://i.gyazo.com/c34947471ad0260df733d18673548393.png
https://i.gyazo.com/f38f5a57ec0f6a0eeba3729953b00bf9.png

Keep repeating yourself, maybe that will convince everyone you aren't attempting a diversion from the terrorist organization known as ANTIFA.

As I understand it, ANTIFA's activities in the United States are fully aimed at fuelling conflict, riots and looting. In fact, this is a terrorist activity directed against civilians and it should be punished accordingly. So Trump is doing the right thing.

You've got some obvious assigned talking points to "defend ANTIFA."

My question is, why? And to what purpose? (Of course I already know, but am interested in how you defend your stand)

However my opinion is you're abusing and misrepresenting the documents you posted by Gottlieb. Let's take one or two things she said, to illustrate.

However my opinion is you're abusing and misrepresenting the documents you posted by Gottlieb. Let's examine a bit of her thinking.

...By scaling these programs to ripple out and touch as many people in as many locations as possible, Creating the Future will model its work after successful movements for change (vs successful organizations). That is our plan of action. And a major first step in that plan is to ensure that the organization’s structure is built and maintained as a support to those ripples....

https://creatingthefuture.org/our-plan/

Nothing there that supports your narrow attempt to re-define movement vs organization in support of your radical extremist support of Antifa, is there? You made that up.

That's what they'd like to do, FOOL PEOPLE into believing it's okay.

I have a feeling it's not going to work, though.

TRUMP DIDN'T FALL FOR IT. ANTIFA == TERRORIST ORGANIZATION

End of Subject.

"Donations, Including International Funding, to BlackLivesMatter.com Go Directly to the DNC – This Is Money Laundering"

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/exclusive-donations-including-international-funding-blacklivesmatter-com-go-directly-dnc-money-laundering/

Come on, TECSHARE. You know that money laundering is a term that is used to keep people stuck with Fed fiat. Private money has been around for ages - grocery store coupons, Bitcoin, bearer bonds, etc.

When people find that there isn't any benefit in/from Black Lives Matter funding, they will quit. Of course, there will always be some that will never quit.

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ActBlue is a fundraising platform. Bernie used so the money he raised via ActBlue went to his campaign. Biden used it so the money he raised via ActBlue went to his campaign. There is no evidence that money raised for BLM went "directly to the DNC" or that any money laundering is taking place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiyYozeOoKs



You are on a train full of midgets who believe the hype.

If you click the link you posted you'll see that the title has been updated and it's no longer alleging that the money goes directly to the DNC so that shit turned out to be too stupid even for the conspiratard website. Once again you got duped by a clickbait title and you won't admit it.

It still says international money for "Black Lives Matter" goes to the DNC in spite of a headline revision. You know who makes revisions? Legitimate sources. You know who doesn't? The garbage you call news like CNN, MSNBC, and ABC.

And it still provides zero proof of that.


You know who thinks fantasies are facts and fallacies are arguments? You do.

Except for the proof it provides:

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/expenditures.php?cmte=C00401224&cycle=2020

Which contains zero proof of BLM money going to DNC and "money laundering". Next you're gonna claim that I'm stealing your money because we both use PayPal.

Can you speak in full sentences please.

While we're critiquing grammar; doesn't a question require a question mark at the end of the sentence?

This can be easily googled. 
https://www.grammarly.com/blog/question-mark/

Yup, sure enough;  Google says TwitchySeal is an ass-clown.  But that's not exactly earth-shaking news to anyone here.

ActBlue is divided into 3 different components. The BLM website sends its money to ActBlue Charities, not ActBlue PAC.

Irrelevant. You show a fundamental ignorance of how these PACs work, and how they are exploited to allow for foreign influence of domestic elections.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?cycle=2020&strID=C00401224


"Foreign Dark Money Is Threatening American Democracy"

https://outline.com/fmFvBh


"The PAC Problem: How To Launder Money The Washington Way"

http://states.jsa.org/northeast/2012/01/30/the-pac-problem-how-to-launder-money-the-washington-way/


"Colbert Super PAC"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colbert_Super_PAC


"How The Supreme Court Just Legalized Money Laundering By Rich Campaign Donors"

https://archive.thinkprogress.org/how-the-supreme-court-just-legalized-money-laundering-by-rich-campaign-donors-8dc44ee06f49/


I suppose it only matters when Republicans do it?

Again, the ActBlue Charities money doesn't go to the ActBlue PAC. The two divisions have different sets of accounts. Again, you linked the OpenSecrets page for the ActBlue PAC which is a separate division of ActBlue that has nothing to do with the BLM donations. The BLM donations go to the BLM Foundation via ActBlue Charities. They do not go to the PAC. The two are separate divisions of the same organization.

https://secure.actblue.com/abcharities

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.profile&ein=474143254

Here's where the BLM Foundation money goes to as of their latest publicly-available tax filing (https://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf_archive/474/474143254/474143254_201712_990.pdf):


Charities aren't even allowed to donate to political campaigns if they want to retain their tax exempt status.

https://www.nonprofitexpert.com/nonprofit-questions-answers/can-nonprofits-be-involved-in-political-campaign-activity/

Again, you are ignorant and need to learn to read instead of just automatically confirming your bias as you accuse me of doing. Illegal and impossible have two different meanings. If you bothered reading any of the articles I have posted you would see none of this is an impediment.

Okay. What evidence do you have that ActBlue is illegally funneling money from their charity arm to their PAC?

Learn. To. Read.

Requests for evidence are such a pesky buzzkill for any good conspiracy theory.

I wouldn't call this one good. Doesn't involve Hillary or Obama.

Well, 100% of donations to "BLM" through their link, "ActBlue", go to Rem candidates. That's what THEY say.

But Tecshare already handled this with the sparkly "need to learn to read" comment.

I have to admit I don't like that one bit. I'd be impressed, and probably contribute, if the donations went to actual live black prosecutions that were reasonably considered unfair.

Willful ignorance is the preferred form of autofellatio for LAARPing cult members.

https://i.imgur.com/NLKIlzG.jpg

Lol yes you are right, let's substitute "defense of unfair, racist criminal charges" for prosecutions.

Or something similar.

Leaving the small people aside for the moment, let's look at some of the elitist, smug, smart people and how they are doing.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2020/06/13/its-going-down-antifa-uncle-sam-just-started-delivering-payback-for-terror-riots-n525503

It's Going Down, Antifa. Uncle Sam Just Started Delivering Payback for Terror Riots

From La Mesa, Calif., Minneapolis, Austin, and Dallas to Baton Rouge, Philly, St. Paul, and Tacoma, Wash., more than 50 people have been indicted on various charges.

Among the crimes being pursued are:

Crossing state lines for purposes of riot
Throwing Molotov cocktails
Torching cop cars
Looting gun stores and pharmacies
Online threats against cops
Arson
Shining lasers in eyes of police helicopter pilots
Bringing guns to a riot

Whatever your feelings pro and con this issue, how it plays out should be very interesting. I have a suspicion that these 50 people are just the beginning. And that many good things are yet to come.

If there was ever stronger evidence that the UN is intent on subverting the rule of law in the USA, this is it.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/un-shares-antifa-flag-on-social-media-account-condemns-us-labeling-of-group_3395739.html

We should completely defund the UN.



"Black Lives Matter Co-Founder Says ‘Our Goal Is to Get Trump Out’"

https://www.theepochtimes.com/black-lives-matter-co-founder-says-our-goal-is-to-get-trump-out_3395820.html

...But BLM isn't a money laundering front for the Democrat party, and if you suggest otherwise you are a conspiracy theorist!

Let's repeat this again, as it seems to be a quite interesting issue.

The tax return of BLM shows ALL donations are to ACT BLUE, and thence to a small group of Democratic politicians and NO ONE ELSE.

people that work hard are getting brainkilled by antifa, or by their dekadent elites.

un is biased and racist organisation it needs to get defunded

Just so the lurkers know, Spendulus and TECSHARE are spreading a false story that most likely started as a facebook post by the co-founder of 'Students for Trump'.  

Actblue is a fundraising platform for both democratic campaigns and progressive organizations, similar to gofundme.  Donating money to a non-profit like BLM is not the same as donating to a political campaign.



"A debunked conspiracy theory about Black Lives Matter, ActBlue, and Democrats can be traced to far-right message boards"

https://www.mediamatters.org/fake-news/debunked-conspiracy-theory-about-black-lives-matter-actblue-and-democrats-can-be-traced

"Donations to Black Lives Matter Group Don’t Go to DNC"

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/donations-to-black-lives-matter-group-dont-go-to-dnc/

When this is happening...

From La Mesa, Calif., Minneapolis, Austin, and Dallas to Baton Rouge, Philly, St. Paul, and Tacoma, Wash., more than 50 people have been indicted on various charges.

Among the crimes being pursued are:

Crossing state lines for purposes of riot
Throwing Molotov cocktails
Torching cop cars
Looting gun stores and pharmacies
Online threats against cops
Arson
Shining lasers in eyes of police helicopter pilots
Bringing guns to a riot

If the UN lines up with the criminals, that's deeper than stupid.

I have a thesis that the main international objection to Trump is loss of corruption and payoff monies flowing in massive amounts to different operations, a fair part in and through the UN. At those levels, nothing is political ideology and everything is money. Defunding the UN is largely a symbolic gesture compared to the reality of these money flows.

Of course, BLM and Antifa are fronts for international operatives that are intent on something that's not quite clear now, but somehow involves the disruption of the 2020 reelection of Trump.

Not debunked, denied. Denial doesn't make facts evaporate. I included documentation explaining how it is done in detail here, which you promptly pretended never existed in order to avoid being forced to address it. Now the co-founder of BLM is openly saying their goal is to get Trump out. There is not even any veneer any more. BLM is openly an arm of the Democrat party.

This was good news. It will weaken it as they won't easily be able to take in donations, and freely do other things. The members will probably shift into BLM though.

Already happening. In typical Marxist SOP, they destroy the image of one organization and shift to the next. ANTIFA are already flying their flags less and less and simply shifting over to infiltrate BLM even more completely.

With Antifa designated Terrorists, of course they would move the next likely target. Kill it, then gut it, skin it, and wear the skin proclaiming to be the real thing.

antifa should put its activity into other countries it is so massively destructive. and only helps radical forces that will backstab them anyway.

At this point Antifa is basically just a boogyman that Trump and right wing media are using to piss you off and make you think a bunch of communists are coming to steal your freedom and the election.  Meanwhile the violent far right groups have moved on from lynchings to bombs and mass shootings.

I don't need right wing media to tell me ANTIFA are terrorists, I have been saying it for years, well before it got any media coverage whatsoever. Ah, I see, it is the right who are in the streets murdering, looting, committing acts of arson, and aimlessly destroying is it? Tell me more about media boogeymen as you huff your own farts.

You've been saying it because you buy into all the right wing conspiracy click-bait blogs.  You're getting boogalood.

How people have been murdered by left wing extremists? 

Go ahead google it.

Then do the same for right wing.

Friendly reminder: TECSHARE thinks all members of the KKK are less racist than any leftist.  He also likes to share some of David Dukes favorite memes.

Never bring a bow to a mob fight.

Hey look, we finally agree on something.

I don’t disagree with you, but the actions of the mob are unacceptable. Period.

The mob is not a sentient being. It is not our next higher level of consciousness. Your complaint is strictly with the mayors of the cities in which these things were allowed to happened, and who they took orders from.

"Second Shooting in Seattle’s ‘CHOP’ Zone Leaves One in Critical Condition"

https://www.theepochtimes.com/second-shooting-in-seattles-chop-zone-leaves-one-in-critical-condition_3397168.html

Since nearly all media has a heavy leftist bias, straining to silence any views outside of their preferred framework, I find it rather hilarious you suggest I "google it". Speaking of boogeymen, the media is constantly talking about right wing extremism, but I rarely see it. I do however CONSTANTLY see leftist violence, and then see the media make excuses for it, or just ignore it completely.



You are a thirsty little child aren't you? It makes one wonder why it is you are so desperate to frame me as some kind of KKK/Dukes Worshiper. You mean one image I showed, which was a collection of photographs of mass shooters for the year, showing them to be majority black, not white as the media prefers to report? If Hitler himself rose from the grave and tweeted a fact, does that fact become a "Hitler meme"? Could it be because you are completely out of arguments so you need to topic slide and make ad hominem attacks because that is all you have left? Trigger me timbers.

BLM needs to be designated as a terrorist organization also.

They've declared war on police. That's no secret.   


Imagine if the NRA had done the same.

I can't find the quote where BLM New York chapter chairman Hawk Newsome actually says this. I see an interview with the Daily Mail where they put the words 'war on police' in quotations, then there's some websites that plagiarized that article, but don't see the actual context of how he said it.

Besides, you can't really compare the NRA with BLM. NRA is a lobbying group and BLM is an activist movement.

Probably going to have to let a bunch of those non-violent prisoners in for lightweight drug use like weed out,

BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA NEED A LOT OF JAIL CELLS...

https://www.the-sun.com/news/1024761/trump-feds-jail-vandalizes-monument-statue-10-years/

https://i.gyazo.com/2881448d98346e8aec21af5b539c1330.png

Translation: Trump authorized the federal government to arrest people who break a law that was passed 17 years ago and if sentenced allow a judge to sentence them up to the maximum that the law states.  Additionally, he authorized them to arrest anyone who breaks a different law.  How savage.

https://i.gyazo.com/c2ca985d2ff672d64b88c2ff96bc48bf.png
https://www.congress.gov/108/plaws/publ29/PLAW-108publ29.pdf


Note: it says United States, not Confederate states.  Although, some Confederate soldiers were in the United States Military before resigning and going to war with the United States.  I guess that's a loop hole.

Why, of course the harshest of punishment (according to you) should be meted out to the Flynns, and others that stand by the Trump. These little people, who destroy public property, why...

The good people should just look the other way...

Right? That's what you believe?

lol....

Democrats are wading in to the fray and demanding answers over Sinclair’s close ties to the Trump administration, which, they say, could mean the group is getting preferential treatment.
The New York Times refers to the group as a “conservative giant” that, since the Bush presidency, has used its 173 television stations “to advance a mostly right-leaning agenda”.


Meanwhile ............The New York Times has defended a new member of its editorial board who wrote inflammatory tweets about white people.

Ms Jeong (aka Filthy Racist Scumbag) wrote in one tweet from July 2014: "Oh man it's kind of sick how much joy I get out of being cruel to old white men."

One online critic posted a selection of Ms Jeong's other tweets, which contain obscenities.

"Are white people genetically predisposed to burn faster in the sun, thus logically being only fit to live underground like groveling goblins," she said in December 2014.

The South Korea-born journalist, who was raised in the US, also used the hashtag "#CancelWhitePeople" and complained about "white people marking up the internet with their opinions like dogs pissing on fire hydrants".

She attended Harvard Law School and has previously written for the Atlantic, Motherboard, the Washington Post and the New York Times Magazine.

In a statement on Thursday, the newspaper's corporate communications team said Ms Jeong's "journalism and the fact that she is a young Asian woman have made her the subject of frequent online harassment.

That is also a good point. It is more than just a left bias, it is an ESTABLISHMENT bias. Anyone who is trying to change the establishment gets a two ton thumb put on the scales against them.

The same NYTimes that first broke the story about the Clintons Whitewater Development corp. and almost 20 years later Hillary's private email server and then put it on the front page every day for like a week?

Regardless, trying to classify the NYTimes as if it's just a single entity is almost as silly as doing it with the entire 'media'.  You need to be able to find individual journalists that are objectively trustworthy and connected.

https://i.gyazo.com/6b11a59d90130ea692d9ffe23214df6b.png

https://cyber.harvard.edu/publications/2017/08/mediacloud

You have a habit of not actually addressing the premise and just sliding the topic using a myopic cherry picking type argument.

But let's see if his post about HC gets deleted as being off topic in a thread about Trump and Antifa.

You know what is funny about that stupid fucking chart he thinks proves his point is if you have more than two brain cells to rub together, you will realize simply breaking the topics into more subsections doesn't mean there was less negative coverage of Trump, it just means they covered more topics. Additionally a sentence count is in no way an indicator of the sentiment of the contents.

While getting spies on by the CCP (aka, while browsing tic tok), I came across a video that pretty much proves everything you need to know about antifa

Take a look.

https://m.tiktok.com/v/6842879260848344326.html

You got trolled, she's in character.

As far as I can tell, she is accurately portraying pretty much every Antifa member.

I noticed that and defined it as an attempt at topic diversion, but a pretty fucking stupid one.

It's all about us not setting on a path of enumerating each and every one of the fucking zombie anarchidiots allied with the Democratic movement who are being prosecuted, which is 100% in line with the thread OP topic.

This and the details of the indictments will show lots of connections that many would not like revealed. Their problem not ours.

I was sliding anything if you look at my post in context:

Already did and my objection stands. So, what's your opinion about these hundreds being indicted for the riots, violence and such?  Is more planned?

"ANTIFA literally doesn't exist" is something ANTIFA supporters like to say because they like to pretend it is an ideology and not an organization, so I don't know how much of a troll that is. That seems like they literally support ANTIFA regardless of it being a character or not.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/crackdown-feds-have-indicted-more-than-50-individuals-for-rioting-during-george-floyd-protests

At least 50 people are facing Federal riot charges for inciting or committing violent acts during national anti-racism protests, according to the Department of Justice, and more arrests are yet to come. So far, however, none of the individuals taken into DOJ custody have official ties to any “Antifa-type” organization.

“The federal charges cover a variety of alleged criminal behavior — including impersonating a US Marshal in Florida, aiming a laser at a police aircraft in Wisconsin and inciting a riot in Illinois that caused damage to more than 50 businesses,” the New York Post reported Friday, based on a cache of documents released to CBS reporter Catherine Herridge.

Most of the arrests — at least 40 of the 53 — were for violent acts, including tossing Molotov cocktails into law enforcement vehicles and into the front windows of stores and other businesses and toppling “historically significant” statutes on federal land.

“Of the 51 cases, spread across 18 states, brought by the Justice Department thus far, 20 involve allegations related to arson; 16 involve the illegal possession of a firearm, more often than not by a felon; another eight people face charges related to inciting a riot or civil disorder,” Forbes added.

Although Attorney General William Barr and President Donald Trump have suggested there will be a major investigation into “Antifa” and other anarchist groups, none of the individuals rounded up and charged by the DOJ in recent days are listed as having direct connections to any organized crime or domestic terror group, something a number of left-leaning outlets have pointed out.

“Attorney General William Barr has blamed anti-fascist activists for violence during protests over George Floyd’s death. But records show no sign of Antifa links in Justice Department cases,” NPR crowed late last week. “Federal arrests show no sign that Antifa plotted protests,” added The New York Times.

But at this point, Barr told Fox News, arrests are being made on acts of violence, and the DOJ isn’t focusing on connecting anyone in custody to a larger, national anarchist movement — yet.

“We have some investigations underway, very focused investigations on certain individuals that relate to Antifa,” Barr said. “But in the initial phase of identifying people and arresting them, they were arrested for crimes that don’t require us to identify a particular group or don’t necessitate that.”

Those arrests may come later, as the DOJ establishes connections between rioters and national organizations or, simply, national organizers who encouraged individual Antifa-type organizations to take advantage of the largely peaceful anti-racism protests to incite riots and cause violence. The DOJ appears to be focusing on Antifa almost as an organized crime entity, investigating sources of funding.

“Some of it relates to an Antifa. Some of it relates to groups that act very much like an Antifa. As I said, there’s a witch’s brew of extremist groups that are trying to exploit this situation on all sides,” Barr added.

ROFL ..yeah the same NYTimes that Maggie Haberman works for ;D Those stories were about to be leaked anyway and it was important they were controlled. You take control of a "controversy" by looking transparent up to the point of being almost biased against while at the same time dissipating gradually.It's a complex technique and very effective on ignorant humans who cannot rationalize or aggregate and correlate information effectively.Works everytime :)


.....meanwhile in other "alternative" news "Hispanic YouTuber Posts Disturbing Video Saying “We Need To Kill White People”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/hispanic-youtuber-posts-disturbing-video-saying-need-kill-white-people/

You mean, like New Yorkers?

More "peaceful protest"

"Man Shot After Protester Fires Handgun Into SUV During Utah BLM Protest"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/antifa-terrorist-fires-handgun-suv-during-utah-blm-demonstration

Great idea fucking retards. Now people terrified of getting pulled out of a car and murdered by a violent mob is now going to be fearful of getting shot so they are more likely to just plow through you when you surround vehicles to intimidate and attack people. Then when there are a lot more violent mobbing idiots flattened you will claim it is "right wing white supremacists" ramming down poor "peaceful protestors". Eventually people are going to have enough of your revolutionary cosplay and you will start getting your throats slit and your heads popped, then it will be too late to call a time out in your little LAARPing game.

He's been caught. Truly senseless behavior, but historical studies of mob behavior should lead one to expect nothing less.

His Facebook profile is still public, LOL:

https://www.facebook.com/jessetag

Regardless of what people's political beliefs are - and I truly could care less what they are as everybody just reinforces their own beliefs here and there's nothing to be learned from that - we can all agree that its a crazy world we live in; especially because you can read the social media pages of attempted murderers.

I am talking to any one of the people who clicked to view this thread over 1800 times. What the fuck does being in Utah have to do with it? People have to be in ANTIFA to care that they are terrorists? "boogaloo boys" don't exist, it a fucking joke meme being blasted in the media as a desperate attempt to create a right wing version of ANTIFA so they can use it to create a false equivalence and scapegoat Marxist terrorism onto them. ANTIFA has been committing organized acts of terror for decades and has been very active in this country since before 2016. Funny no matter what these Marxist goons do, it is always "peaceful protest" and any violence is always some one else's fault. I am simply making it clear that these people think they are playing cowboys and Indians or cops and robbers. What they are really playing is Russian roulette. It really is a shame you don't get to enjoy the results of your retardation, of course that is the benefit of tucking your tail between your legs, leaving the country, and yapping like a little lap dog from thousands of miles away far from any results of your moronic ideology.

The President needs to also protect other monuments  ;)



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb39FTMU4AU71UN?format=jpg&name=900x900


......meanwhile  ;D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb3raUmXYAAbwMt?format=jpg&name=900x900





Globalist Marxist NYTimes spewing more doublespeak and divisory venom below.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb4WmVpWoAE14q4?format=png&name=medium


........Meanwhile a patriotic "conservative" Justice Clarence Thomas in this "fantasy caste system" the NYtimes speaks who just happens to be a cultured and learned Black man ensures NYtimes is nothing more than an ideological embarrassment at this point.

In opposing statement “Roe is grievously wrong for many reasons, but the most fundamental is that its core holding—that the Constitution protects a woman’s right to abort her unborn child—finds no support in the text of the Fourteenth Amendment.”

-Justice Thomas

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1277026061067436034/tUxlowA4?format=jpg&name=small
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"US Patriot Justice Clarence Thomas fighting for the innocent who are not capable of defending themselves"

Under oath, Planned Parenthood's organ harvesting partner (ABR) states "we do a dissection" of babies, harvesting organs even while they have beating hearts

"I can see hearts that are not in an intact [baby] that are beating independently”

https://twitter.com/i/status/1278072413499068416

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is what patriots like Justice Thomas are fighting against while the eugenisist marxists applaud.Their heinous crimes now are only a fraction of the nihilistic and atheist ran dystopia they envision cosmetically sugar coated in a beautiful green hobbit style utopia.You cannot achieve social equality without a massive political inequality.





..........meanwhile

Patriotic Florida Sheriff To Deputize Gun Owners If Cops Can't Handle Protesters


https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1278520025964523520/9YV6XHVP?format=jpg&name=small

Sheriff Darryl Daniels ~ US Patriot who protects ALL citizens without fear or prejudice!

Clay County Sheriff Darryl Daniels announced in a Tuesday video that he will "make special deputies out of every lawful gun owner" in the county if he has to.

In the three-minute video, https://youtu.be/25-10yKyKuI the northwest Florida sheriff calls out "the mainstream media" and protesters as godless dissidents. He tells people to not "fall victim to this conversation that law enforcement is bad, that law enforcement is the enemy of the citizens that we're sworn to protect and serve."

US Patriot Daniels then talks about law enforcement taking an oath "to support, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States and the government...And we end that with, 'So help me God.'"

    "But God is absent from the media's message or Black Lives Matter or any other group that's making themselves a spectacle disrupting what we know to be our quality of life in this country," Daniels says. -WTS


"If we can't handle you, I'll exercise the power and authority as the sheriff, and I'll make special deputies of every lawful gun owner in this county and I'll deputize them for this one purpose to stand in the gap between lawlessness and civility," adding "You've been warned."


^^^^^^^^^^ These are the people who make the USA the greatest country on earth and the protectors of liberty against MARXIST filth ;)

Any sheriff in the USA can do this.

Antifa LOSERS BEWARE!

Everyone needs to help on that.

I sometimes wonder in what kind of world some people would like to live. Most communities are very clear about the historical value of their monuments and proud of them. Remember when someone threaten Iran to destroy all of their historical heritage? The response was more unanimous than anything before that. They are proud of who they are and very aware of the value their heritage has. People should have this sort of sensibility and not deface statues and random monuments....

Including paid Anti-American operatives? Maxists? Haters? White anarchist know-it-all punks who don't work, but slouch along in Momma's basement?

Eh...there's quite a precedent for tearing down monuments of people that used their power to strip communities of basic human rights.

Interesting article that goes over a few examples: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/world/controversial-statues-monuments-destroyed.html
(It's from 2017)

Oh you want to talk about historical precedents of tearing down statues and monuments? You know when that is also even more of a precedent? Invading forces seeking to destroy and erase the existing society.

Yes, monuments get destroyed then too.

We were discussing Americans knocking down American monuments though.

Your own article is discussing world events, yet my criticisms must be limited only to the US is that right? You know what else the article includes? Things like the Taliban coming into areas and defacing and destroying some times ancient historical monuments.

From your own article...

"These acts of destruction can function as propaganda. What else could signify a smashing victory — or a new and brilliant future — so succinctly as the likeness of a vanquished leader, smashed to rubble on the ground?"

One little fact you like to gloss over most of these cited incidents in this article, is the fact that the vast majority of them were monuments to leaders they had just fought to escape their control. What is happening here is nothing of the sort. In fact here are a few instances to demonstrate these people clearly are just intent on destruction and erasing history rather than perpetrating any kind of symbolic act of freedom.

"Statue of Black Abolitionist Frederick Douglass Torn Down in Rochester"

https://summit.news/2020/07/06/statue-of-black-abolitionist-of-frederick-douglass-torn-down-in-rochester/


"Statue of an Elk Burned Down by Portland Rioters, Proving They’re Definitely the Good Guys"

https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2020/07/02/rioters-statue-elk/



"Lincoln Statue Found Burned on Chicago's South Side: Alderman"

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/abe-lincoln-statue-burned-on-chicagos-south-side/22120/


Who the fuck do you think you are deciding for everyone else what should be in public spaces completely outside of the law? Do you ever just stop and ask yourselves "Are we the baddies?". You people are delusional LAARPers running around burning, destroying, and murdering all in the name of playing your little delusional freedom fighter game.

If this continues this shit is going to get more real than you can handle and the LAARPing will be over with very real consequences. I think you will find in 5-10 years you will be fucking ashamed of yourself for supporting this. Of course what is even more likely is you just erase it form your memory and pretend you had nothing to do with it like most children do when they do bad things.

"$1.2 Million Bail for Man Who Struck Protesters Blocking Highway"

https://www.theepochtimes.com/man-who-struck-protesters-blocking-highway-gets-1-2-million-bail_3414831.html

Clearly a white supremacist attack. I mean who in their right minds is driving on the highway at night at high speeds when people are protesting on it?

He was black but really white.

Clearly it was internalized racism and self hatred.


"Black Lives Matter Foundation must stop soliciting donation in NY, says state AG"

https://justthenews.com/nation/black-lives-matter-foundation-must-stop-soliciting-donation-ny-says-state-ag



"BLM Teacher Says 2+2 Only = 4 Because of “Western Imperialism”"

https://summit.news/2020/07/07/blm-teacher-says-22-only-4-because-of-western-imperialism/

We're just going to have to throw thermodynamics out the window, at least in respect to research and development of new stuff.

Who is going to sit down and listen to a lecture about heat emanating from a black body? I won't even go into the problems with black holes...

The highway was closed and the the driver was black.

If you hunt down terrorists, all you do is become a terrorist in the eyes of the terrorist you hunt.

8)

Closed by who? Does this some how make standing on a highway, at night dressed in all black no less, any less retarded? If I put a gun to my head and pull the trigger over and over, is it safe because I was told it is unloaded?

The police had it closed and driver entered by going the wrong way on an exit ramp.  Please try to avoid posting articles without actually reading them.  This one would've only taken a few minutes to get through.


The level of retardedness remains constant if we assume (as I do) that they would've been there whether or not the police closed the highway.

No.

Yet I did, you apparently did not.

"Police tried closing off entrances to a portion of the highway, I-5, to protect the group, which was part of Black Lives Matter."

"Washington State Patrol Capt. Ron Mead called the actions of the protesters illegal."

"Tried" does not equal did. Are you suggesting the police were intentionally facilitating illegal activity? It seems as if you are suggesting the dead idiots have no responsibility for their actions, and the driver is to blame for having the audacity to drive on the highway.

And then it says:
"But Kelete entered the road from an exit ramp"

I'm just pointing out that he wasn't just some innocent guy driving down the highway at the wrong place wrong time that found himself in jail with a $1m+ bond.

It may well be some innocent guy. Guilty of entering an exit ramp and generally negligent, but not guilty of capital murder.

As stupid as you can agree the protestors on the freeway may be, bet you drivers can match that stupid. Maybe even double down on that stupid.

Yeah he likely didn't intend to kill anyone.  But after taking the exit ramp he had to drive around a bunch of other cars blocking the highway so it's not like he was doing 70 and these people came out of nowhere.  Then he sped off after he hit two people.

Only pointing any of this out because Tecshare attempted frame him as someone simply driving down the road at night.

Even if he did, and? Jail with over a million dollar bond for a traffic violation? This is 100% a political prosecution, exactly like many others which have suddenly become common to appease the violent mobs of neo-Maoists piles of shit destroying shit all over this nation and the world.




That is exactly what he was, and that is exactly what happened. First of all you will notice those fucking morons used black cars to block the highway at night, with the only white vehicle, the van being at the inside of the apex of a curve. I know simple concepts like stopping distance at speed, and seeing around curves, and dark objects being harder to see at night are difficult for you, but it is pretty obvious to everyone else these "protestors" are 137% at fault.

yeah, just driving down the road....

"hey the on ramp is blocked by police, guess i'll just use the exit"

"hey there's cars parked in the middle of the highway, guess I'll just go around them"

"oops, I just ran over two ladies, guess I better flee the scene"

"why am I in jail for just a traffic violation???"

Yes, just driving down the road. Again, a minor traffic violation at most. This is not a punishment commensurate with his crime, this is a political prosecution to appease a mob riot. Hey dipshit, I know basic physics are a problem for you, but he was coming around a corner, at night, at a speed that is common for highway traffic. He had nowhere near enough time to identify the road was blocked by black cars at night, around a curve, then have time to break before hitting some one. That "going around" you describe is called swerving to avoid a collision, and not seeing retard soy ninjas on the highway.

The responsibility for this event is 157% on the dead idiots. As far as fleeing the scene, we have just watched about a month straight of endless cases of people being attacked in their vehicles, shot, pulled out, beaten, etc. He doesn't know who these fuckwits are. He had every right to get himself to safety AWAY from a violent mob descending upon his vehicle. You will notice also he did stop at first until they started running toward him. Of course again, he is 100% responsible for dipshits dressing in black and playing revolutionary on the highway at night, even when they want to violently attack him. You are entitled to form your own opinion, not form your own reality.

Except the whole hit and run that resulted in a death part...which is most likely what he'll be charged with in the end.

All this illustrates is the cops should not have allowed libtards to put people at danger (including themselves) on the freeway. The Dead Tard should be charged with reckless endangering himself.

Standing in front of a car bearing down on you at freeway speed and not getting out of the way is no more than suicide. Attempting to put the issue on the driver to see and avoid or stop is really not an excuse.

Clear lights and signs to the effect the freeway was shut down could change the dynamics...maybe.

Yeah, what  a selfish asshole. He should have stopped and let them beat him to death.

Right. Maybe they should have closed the entrance ramp and posted "wrong way" signs on the exit ramp.

Not necessarily - if he picked the exit ramp on the "correct" side (the one that he needed) of the freeway he could have made a sharp left turn without crossing the median.

Get-on-the-freeway-via-exit-ramp accidents happen quite regularly and tend to result in the driver charged with a felony if someone dies... granted most of those are wrong-way head-on collisions, so not sure in this case.

What I was trying to say was that if the section was marked similar to signs and lights for a section of freeway closed because it's under construction, that's 100% CLOSED and no excuses for hitting a worker on that piece of road.

But I do not think it was marked like that.

There is no excuse for going the wrong way on the exit ramp. If he didn't think the road was closed he was risking a head on collision at freeway speed on the ramp itself or upon merging / crossing the traffic lanes. But since he ended up pointing in the correct direction on the freeway then likely he knew the road was closed and got on it anyway.

There most certainly is an excuse.

Stupidity....

Stupid met Stupid...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pibqo6Z4Cgo

spendulus either really enjoys arguing in bad faith for entertainment or he is dumb as a rock.

"BLM Idiots Vandalize Statue of a Former Slave Outside Black Church in Indiana"

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/way-go-blm-idiots-vandalize-statue-former-slave-outside-black-church-kentucky/

"Is it Kentucky or Indiana"?


Your ass is broken:

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No putting things in quotes is a requirement of forum posting rules on plagiarism. It is Indiana, and it is true, and you would know this if you bothered to read the article that has sources, but hey I guess a typo in the URL invalidates everything else right?

That is pretty fucking hilarious you criticizing a typo in a URL exactly at the same time as you do it yourself.

This actually all makes me laugh.

There is no excuse for going the wrong way on the exit ramp. If he didn't think the road was closed he was risking a head on collision at freeway speed on the ramp itself or upon merging / crossing the traffic lanes. But since he ended up pointing in the correct direction on the freeway then likely he knew the road was closed and got on it anyway.

In the real world, which you guys are not in because you are chasing wrongness in different_thinkers_than_right_thinkers_like_us, going the wrong way on a road is simple a traffic ticket. It's breaking the law. No more or less.

But you guys are reading capital murder into an exit ramp issue.

Good luck with that.

Vehicular homicide is a thing and that's what you can get charged with if you go the wrong way (or do something similarly reckless with your car) and kill someone. A ticket is what you get when you're pulled over before killing someone.

Except when you kill someone.  Then it's more.



No.  I don't think it's capital murder.

Or manslaughter.

Okay, if I was on that jury I'd be strongly inclined to let the guy off, but you don't have to worry about that. He'll no doubt plea bargain for a couple of years and this particular ugly incident will be taken off the radars.

Need to clear up some media time and space for the election propaganda, right?

The problem with your logic is that fault does not rest on the driver alone. If a bicycler was on a restricted highway for example, they would share some if not all of the liability. These roadways are restricted form pedestrians for a reason. Even on non-restricted roadways, if a person crosses the street outside of a crosswalk, they are legally seen to have partial if not full liability for any injuries.

You are also glossing over the fact that the driver did not cause injury while in the act of driving negligently. You argue the road was closed, but it was not officially closed, but "attempted" to be closed as an emergency protective measure for the people violating the law by blocking it. You seem to want to hold the driver fully responsible when the "protestors" made the most significant contributions towards making themselves unsafe.

"Criminal Negligence Law and Legal DefinitionCriminal negligence is negligence which requires a greater degree of culpability than the civil standard of negligence. The civil standard of negligence is defined according to a failure to follow the standard of conduct of a reasonable person in the same situation as the defendant. To show criminal negligence, the state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt the mental state involved in criminal negligence."

https://definitions.uslegal.com/c/criminal-negligence/


"Contributory Negligence

The concept of contributory negligence is used to characterize conduct that creates an unreasonable risk to one's self. The idea is that an individual has a duty to act as a reasonable person. When a person does not act this way and injury occurs, that person may be held entirely or partially responsible for the resulting injury, even though another party was involved in the accident.For example, Dave, a motorist, strikes Sally, a pedestrian who was crossing the street without carefully checking traffic or heeding the warning of the do-not-cross sign of the nearby streetlight. Who's at fault in this situation?After an injured party files a negligence claim, the defendant (the person sued) may then assert a contributory negligence claim against the plaintiff (the person bringing the lawsuit), effectively stating that the injury occurred at least partially as a result of the plaintiff's own actions. This would be a contributory negligence counterclaim, a common defense to negligence claims.If the defendant is able to prove the contributory negligence claim, the plaintiff may be totally barred from recovering damages or her damages may be reduced to reflect her role in the resulting injury. The pedestrian in the example, Sally, probably would be considered at least partially at fault (and therefore liable for contributory negligence) for carelessly crossing the street.



Comparative Negligence

Most states have now adopted a comparative negligence approach to contributory negligence, wherein each party's negligence for a given injury is weighed when determining damages.Traditionally, the courts viewed contributory negligence as a total bar to the recovery of any damages. Under the traditional view, if a person had contributed to the accident in any way, the person was not entitled to compensation for his or her injuries. In an attempt to reduce the harsh, oftentimes unfair outcomes resulting from this approach, most states have now adopted a comparative negligence approach."

https://injury.findlaw.com/accident-injury-law/contributory-and-comparative-negligence.html



Under civil law, if a person fails to act reasonably and acts in such a manner to endanger themselves, the defendant may be liable for less, or have no liability at all. As you can see, criminal law sets a higher bar for negligence claims than does civil law, thus it is clear that a claim of criminal negligence on the part of the plaintiff simply would not hold water. This prosecution is purely a political one designed to appease the riot mob and has no basis in law.

"Driver Charged With Vehicular Homicide in Death of Seattle Protester"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/us/dawit-kelete-seattle-protest-driver-charges.html

"RCW 46.61.520

Vehicular homicide—Penalty.
(1) When the death of any person ensues within three years as a proximate result of injury proximately caused by the driving of any vehicle by any person, the driver is guilty of vehicular homicide if the driver was operating a motor vehicle:
(a) While under the influence of intoxicating liquor or any drug, as defined by RCW 46.61.502; or
(b) In a reckless manner; or
(c) With disregard for the safety of others."

https://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.61.520



"RCW 46.61.500Reckless driving—Penalty.

(1) Any person who drives any vehicle in willful or wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property is guilty of reckless driving."

https://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.61.500



For a cherry on top, here is some legal precedence:

"The jury instructions in a vehicular homicide case are very complicated. The state must prove that the defendant was a “Proximate Cause” of the injury that lead to death, and that the defendant driver was either driving recklessly or in “disregard for safety” of others, which is an aggravated form of negligence. The defendant may offer proof that the act of another person was a superseding or intervening cause of the accident, in which case he is not liable for the death."

https://www.markmuensterlaw.com/blog/2018/07/washington-court-reverses-vehicular-homicide-conviction/

It was closed enough for the driver to take the exit ramp. It had been closed for more than an hour prior to the accident:

https://www.wsp.wa.gov/2020/07/06/wsp-detectives-seeking-witnesses-to-i-5-hit-and-run/


The victims allegedly being engaged in an unlawful activity before the highway was closed doesn't make it ok to kill them. They were no longer "jaywalking" once the highway had been closed.

I don't "want" anything here, just commenting on the issue so simmer down, would you.

We only know the basics of what happened:

He drove onto a closed highway swerved around a bunch of parked cars, ran two people over and the fled the scene.  One of them died.

Why are you guys going all Johnny Cochran over this?  "He was simply driving down the road, exactly nothing else" give me a break.

Obviously there could be more to this story but it def looks like he checks enough boxes:

That is funny, "parked cars" as if they were in a designated parking spot and not illegally blocking a highway. "Swerved around" is also known as avoiding an imminent collision. Also "fleeing the scene" in this case is also acting in order to prevent an reasonable expectation of a threat to life or injury from a violent mob chasing after him. If they had not blocked the roadway with vehicles no one would be dead. If they had not illegally been on the highway at night wearing all black, no one would be dead. The injured party in this case was not acting reasonably, which is the standard for liability for a defendant in a criminal case.

Yeah who, ever heard of applying the law in a criminal case right? Fuck his rights under the law, what is important is fucking morons endangering themselves are not at fault because wokeness. Black lives matter, but only as long as long as they fit the narrative of the cultural revolution. This black man is inconvenient so fuck his life.






"Make it ok to kill them" is not the standard. The fact that they were acting in an unreasonable and self endangering manner is the standard. As the legal precedent I linked states very clearly:

"The defendant may offer proof that the act of another person was a superseding or intervening cause of the accident, in which case he is not liable for the death."

You can't get more superseding than putting an illegal road block on a highway and LARPING soy ninjas on the highway at night. That fucking idiot ended THEIR OWN LIFE, and people like you want to run this man's life so you don't have to admit they are fucking idiots. Idiots which you support in their dangerous and illegal activities.

I pointed out the parked cars because you insist he was just driving down the road, nothing else:



Do you know someone was there or something?  Were you there?  Because you're speaking as if you have first hand knowledge.  I think that this is just another example of you thinking you're able to deduct exactly what happened and/or what's going to happen from media reports.  But your conclusion is the opposite of what's being reported....so....what's going on.

If the road was closed it was not illegal to have cars parked on it. And I have already provided the timeline from WSP that clearly shows the road was indeed closed.

I don't want to ruin anyone's life. One person is dead, we can't undo it. But if the driver can prove that the road was not closed and it was ok to drive on it at speed - that's fine with me. However there are no publicly known facts showing that and you're not providing any proof of that. Just repeating "illegal" doesn't make it so.

Still, there are many, MANY cases where a jaywalker is hit by a car. Jaywalking is illegal, also, that's effectively what the morons were doing on the freeway. In a fair number of these cases it's determined the driver was not at fault. If the morons on the freeway had had on fluorescent orange safety vests, that's one thing. If they had black clothes on and were hard to see, that's another.

Both parties were doing illegal, unsafe things.

If the road was closed I really don't think they were allowed to be there. Being the victim does make you right in this situation. If the road was closed for whatever reason, you can bet it was not allowed for anyone to go there for liability reasons.

Do you? Simple logic and reason does not require any of this. That's right, the media would never publish anything misleading now would they? P.S. the word is deduce. I am using a deductive reasoning process, not doing your taxes.




Ah, I see. So they prearranged to have a protest on the highway and had a permit? Oh no, more like these idiots blocked off a highway as the police desperately attempted to save them from their own stupidity in an emergency. Just because they tried to stop these retards from killing themselves doesn't make their actions, safe, reasonable, or legal.

Yes, you do want to ruin this black mans life. Of course that is fine because, repeat with me, "Black Lives Matter", thus as in the holy books, all sins are washed clean and all dangerous and idiotic actions are sanctified by virtue of cultural revolutionary diktat.

How is this?

"RCW 47.52.120
Violations specified—Exceptions—Penalty.

"(1) After the opening of any limited access highway facility, it shall be unlawful for any person to:...(e) stop or park any vehicle or equipment within the right-of-way of such facility, including the shoulders thereof, except at points specially provided therefor, and to make only such use of such specially provided stopping or parking points as is permitted...

(3) Any person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and upon arrest and conviction therefor shall be punished by a fine of not less than five dollars nor more than one hundred dollars, or by imprisonment in the city or county jail for not less than five days nor more than ninety days, or by both fine and imprisonment."

https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=47.52.120



"RCW 46.61.570
Stopping, standing, or parking prohibited in specified places—Reserving portion of highway prohibited.
(1) Except when necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic, or in compliance with law or the directions of a police officer or official traffic control device, no person shall:
(a) Stop, stand, or park a vehicle:
...
(4) It shall be unlawful for any person to reserve or attempt to reserve any portion of a highway for the purpose of stopping, standing, or parking to the exclusion of any other like person, nor shall any person be granted such right."

https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.570

I.E. The police don't have the legal authority to grant this right.

If one person can Announce that This Road is Closed then another can Announce that This Road is Open.

Oh, wait... Neither of them can do that? Then it's a question of who put themself in harm's way.

It was closed for the protest, not for maintenance or some other reason.


The police had a choice to clear the highway or to close it. They chose to close it. After the accident they're taking a different approach and removing protestors. I agree that the latter makes more sense but that still doesn't change the fact that they did indeed close it that day. Driving through or around a police blockade is reckless, whether it's a freeway closed for protesters or a suburban cul-de-sac closed for trick-or-treating.

So the protesters were reckless, and the police closed it, and then a-now-designated-reckless driver hit reckless protestors? Where did those Darwin Awards go to?

Yes.  

Someone ran over and killed someone else in a reckless way.

Protesting in the middle of the highway is clearly reckless and dumb - but it's not like someone jumped in front of a car doing 70 on an open highway.

Not getting out of the way of a car coming at you has consequences?

Yes, it does.  You could get hurt or killed.  

I started to go back and look at a video which shows the protesters were screaming "Car! Car! at least 15 seconds before the guy was hit, then realized...

The real story here is how we seem to have video and audio of most every part, or many parts, of most public events such as these. That's a radical change, and of course going forward it will only get more and more exact and complete.

I like how you carefully edit out the part where the "protestors" are reckless and in the act of committing a crime. Yes, that is EXACTLY what it is like. Highways are explicitly restricted because they are expecting traffic to travel at a high rate of speed. What difference does a high rate of speed make you might ask?

It means increased braking distance. Which means if you park several dark vehicles across a highway, around the end of a curve further reducing vision, in the middle of the night, all dressed in black, while being in a place you are not expected to be, you create a very clear risk of injury or death of not only yourself, but other drivers. They just happened to be the ones to die this time.

The embarrassment of admitting this and the other "protests" have gone too far is too much for the woke cultural revolutionary soy ninja LAARPers and their supporters to admit. Instead they choose to ruin this black man's life in the name of black lives and continue to endanger other people and themselves. The injured parties are 187% responsible for these events. You know what all of this is called? Mental illness.

On another note:

https://i.imgur.com/yQBxBFv.png

I didn't carefully edit anything. Those are my words.

I'm also not defending the protesters.  Protesting in the middle of the highway is retarded.

If your reckless driving kills someone, you've committed vehicular homicide/manslaughter/or whatever the label is in that state.  It doesn't matter who you killed or what they were doing.  Basic critical thinking skills here.

A quick fact check:

Susan Rosenberg wasn't convicted for any bombings. She was convicted of possessing more than 600 pounds of explosives in 1984. The bombing charges were dropped against her in 1990. She served 16 years of a 58-year prison sentence.

Also, she doesn't sit on the BLM's "fundraising arm" board of directors. She is the Vice Chair of the board of directors of Thousand Currents, "a non-profit foundation that sponsors the fundraising and does administrative work for the Black Lives Matter Global Network, among other clients."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg

https://thousandcurrents.org/blacklivesmatter-we-will-not-be-intimidated-into-silence/

Too many words in those links.  I'll help.

https://i.gyazo.com/36d8a948024be2d526f315e71c0b01a2.png

You two are so cute when you are defending convicted terrorists. The charges were not dropped, her sentence was commuted, which is only an ending of a prison sentence, not remedy from guilt. She was still convicted and guilty of terrorist activity.

 "Susan Lisa Rosenberg (born 5 October 1955)[1] is an American activist, writer, and advocate for social justice and prisoners' rights. From the late 1970s into the mid-1980s, Rosenberg was active in the far-left revolutionary terrorist May 19th Communist Organization ("M19CO"), which according to a contemporaneous FBI report "openly advocate[d] the overthrow of the U.S. Government through armed struggle and the use of violence".[2] M19CO provided support to an offshoot of the Black Liberation Army, including in armored truck robberies, and later engaged in bombings of government buildings.[3]

After living as a fugitive for two years, Rosenberg was arrested in 1984 while in possession of a large cache of explosives and firearms. She had also been sought as an accomplice in the 1979 prison escape of Assata Shakur and in the 1981 Brink's robbery that resulted in the deaths of two police and a guard[4], although she was never charged in either case.

Rosenberg was sentenced to 58 years' imprisonment on the weapons and explosives charges. She spent 16 years in prison, during which she became a poet, author, and AIDS activist. Her sentence was commuted to time served by President Bill Clinton on January 20, 2001[5], his final day in office.[6][7]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg



"In 2016, representatives of the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement approached Thousand Currents for fiscal management and administrative assistance. [26] This partnership led to a fiscal sponsorship agreement that launched the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation. [27] The W.K. Kellogg Foundation provided a three-year grant of $900,000 thorough Thousand Currents to help organize local BLM chapters. [28] [29]

...

Thousand Currents reported $3,354,654 and $2,622,017 in donor-restricted assets for the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation in audits covering fiscal year 2019[31] and 2018,[32] respectively. These audits also showed that 83.3 percent of Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation total expenditures were for personnel, consultant, and travel costs during the three year period from 2017-2019.[33] About 6 percent of expenditures were in the form of grants to outside organizations, including to local Black Lives Matter chapters.[34]"

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/thousand-currents/



"As of June 2020, the vice chair of Thousand Currents board of directors was Susan Rosenberg, a former member of the Weather Underground and May 19th Communist Organization who spent 16 years in federal prison before having the remainder of her sentence commuted by President Bill Clinton in 2001.[56]"

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/thousand-currents/#people


As you can see they directly provide funding for BLM, and that money is being laundered through various PACs, Super PACS, and 501 C3 tax exempt organizations into the Democrat campaign. There is no denying BLM is a political group.



"BLM Co-Founder Appears To Violate IRS Laws On CNN"

https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/26/blm-co-founder-appears-to-violate-irs-laws-on-cnn/

The bombing charges were dropped, contrary to what was stated in the post you shared.

https://www.nytimes.com/1990/09/06/us/3-radicals-agree-to-plead-guilty-in-bombing-case.htm


Also, Thousand Currents isn't the "fundraising arm" of BLM. So, the post you shared remains wholly incorrect.

Obviously she's guilty - no need to get all upset and assume I'm 'defending' her.  

You're the one spreading misinformation about her, not me.  Now she can point out the lies that are spreading and maybe convince some people that the truth about her is also a lie.  The truth is always the right side to be on.


Ok well prove the 1990 NYTimes article wrong then. And no, the possession of explosives charges were separate from the bombing charges that the government dropped.

[Shes not a terrorist! She was only convicted of having hundreds of pounds of explosives! Don't look at that though, look over here away from the inconvenient facts and look at the squirrel over here.]

You denying Thousand Currents directly funds Black Lives Matter doesn't magically make it cease to be fact.



That is exactly what you are doing, defending a convicted terrorist felon. Everything I said about her is true and I provided multiple sources for each part of the claim. Don't pretend you care about the truth as you use it as a shiny object to distract from the felony conviction. I don't need to prove that, I already proved she is a convicted felon caught with large amounts of explosives.

You two are desperate to distract from this fact aren't you? I wonder what you would say if even the "MAGA Bomber", a man who injured no one, nor intended too, was fundraising for Donald Trump? Might your heads explode with the collective reverberations of the REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEing?

The weird thing about this is I literally said none of it. I was merely pointing out that the "facts" stated in the post you shared were incorrect.

I'm saying the government dropped the bombing charges, therefor she wasn't convicted.

It's ok to admit you're wrong.  If you ever decide to give it a shot, I promise I'll just move on.  Won't bring it up again and talk about all the time.  Won't troll you.  Won't think less of you. It's a totally normal thing for a person to do, we all make mistakes.

Yet that is exactly what you do when you assert my premise is not true. Your argument consists of

"These facts aren't true because these other independent facts over here exist."

That is the post YOU shared BTW, and didn't even bother reading the Wikipedia link you posted. This is your source.




She is in fact a convicted felon. She was convicted of having several hundred pounds of explosives. Again, with no tenable defense of all these facts, you can only resort is to try to distract from that conviction by sliding the topic to the other charges. Hey TwattySqueal, speaking of being wrong, what state is Minneapolis in? Also how does it feel to be defending murderers and terrorists? Do you ever stop and ask yourself "Are we the baddies?"

This highway was explicitly closed.

Your disconnect from reality seems to have kicked up into the next gear.


You're definitely the one who shared it. Let's break it down:

"This is convicted terrorist Susan Rosenberg" = ok, I have no problems with this part; she was part of a terrorist organization, she was convicted of a pretty serious crime, and that is her.

"she sits on the Board of Directors for the fundraising arm of Black Lives Matter" = not true.

"She was convicted for the 1983 bombing of the United States Capitol Building, the U.S. Naval War College and the New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Assoc" = none of this is true.

So to be fair, its 1-for-3 in terms of truthfulness, which still renders it generally untruthful.

But...
Let's look at Wikipedia, shall we?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg

As of 2020, Rosenberg serves as Vice Chair of the Board of Directors of Thousand Currents, a non-profit foundation that sponsors the fundraising and does administrative work for the Black Lives Matter Global Network, among other clients.[24]

Rosenberg was charged with a role in the 1983 bombing of the United States Capitol Building, the U.S. National War College and the New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, but the charges were dropped as part of a plea deal by other members of her group.[7][12]

Looks more like 2 of 3, guilty all the way down the line and some plea bargaining.

I can't help but mention the narrow minded vindictiveness with which Twitch solemnly invoked "Flynn is a convicted Felon", now defending this witch.

And we don't even have any evidence she loves kittens and puppies!

No, the highway was blocked off by police in an emergency. That is not the same as the highway being closed. When a highway is closed, its closed, ie physically inaccessible not just legally off limits. One is an emergency action done on short notice, the other is a semi-permanent state. Highways are for driving. The idea we are even discussing the merits of running around on highways at night, blocking off highways risking driver's lives, or any of the other violent conflict that inevitably results from such reckless actions is asinine. All you are doing is advocating for death and more people getting shot, run over, or otherwise beat, maimed and killed. Your hive mind ideology is so important to you that you are willing to support behavior that results in this rather than just admit your woke cult is not so woke.



Ad hominem. Base refutation without substantiation or support.

Yes lets break it down.

(1) "convicted terrorist"
(2) "she sits on the Board of Directors"
(3) "fundraising arm of Black Lives Matter"
(4) "She was convicted for..."

Are any of these numbered references not factual?


(1) (2) (3) (4) "Rosenberg was also identified as a member of the Thousand Currents board of directors in the charity’s Form 990s submitted to the IRS for its 2016, 2017 and 2018 fiscal years, indicating that the former terrorist has been involved with the group for the entirety of its fiscal sponsorship arrangement with the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, which began in 2016."

https://www.westernjournal.com/convicted-terrorist-released-bill-clinton-now-sits-board-blms-fundraising-organization/



(2) "As of June 2020, the vice chair of Thousand Currents board of directors was Susan Rosenberg, a former member of the Weather Underground and May 19th Communist Organization who spent 16 years in federal prison before having the remainder of her sentence commuted by President Bill Clinton in 2001.[56]"

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/thousand-currents/#people


"Thousand Currents

Oakland, California, United States

Enhance local and place-specific interventions to address issues impacting the lives of Black community members, families and children by building the infrastructure and capacity of the national #BlackLivesMatter to support and strengthen their local chapters’ organizing capacity

June 1, 2016 - May 31, 2019"

https://www.wkkf.org/grants/grant/2016/06/black-lives-matter-p3034683



(2) "Susan Rosenberg
Human and Prisoner Rights Advocate and Writer
Thousand Currents Vice Chair of the Board of Directors"

https://web.archive.org/web/20200616222408/https:/thousandcurrents.org/board-of-directors/



(2)(4) "Exposing Black Lives Matter's ties to convicted domestic terrorist
... Susan Rosenberg sits on the board of a non-profit that is tied to Black Lives Matter's fundraising operations; reaction from former NYPD Commissioner Bernie Kerik."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/motorsports/exposing-black-lives-matters-ties-to-convicted-domestic-terrorist/vp-BB16vq1O


(3) "In 2016, BLM Global Network approached Thousand Currents to create a fiscal sponsorship agreement. Thousand Currents, a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt nonprofit organization, provides the legal and administrative framework to enable BLM to fulfill its mission. Fiscal sponsorship is a common structure utilized by nonprofit organizations. Oftentimes, nonprofit initiatives seek fiscal sponsorship to be able to have the fiscal sponsor handle administrative operations while the organization focuses on its programs and builds up its own organizational infrastructure. In this capacity, we provide administrative and back office support, including finance, accounting, grants management, insurance, human resources, legal and compliance. Donations to BLM are received as restricted donations to support the activities of BLM."

https://thousandcurrents.org/black-lives-matter/



(4) "Ms. Rosenberg was arrested in November 1984, when she and a companion, Timothy A. Blunk, were caught unloading 740 pounds of dynamite and weapons, including a submachine gun, from their car off Interstate 295 in Cherry Hill, N.J. She admitted that she was planning to supply the explosives to others for bombings and has apologized for the crime.
But at the time, Ms. Rosenberg was also wanted for fleeing while under indictment for charges that included federal racketeering and bank robbery.
The indictment covered the Oct. 20, 1981, attack on the Brink's truck by a band of people that included members of the Weather Underground and the Black Liberation Army. The security guard was killed in the Nanuet Mall, and the two police officers were killed in a roadblock shootout. The robbers took $1.6 million. Federal investigations later showed that Ms. Rosenberg lived for a year in New Haven with Marilyn Jean Buck, the driver of the getaway car.
In the explosives case, Ms. Rosenberg was convicted in 1985 of eight counts of possessing explosives, weapons and fake identification cards. She was sentenced to 58 years in prison. The length of the sentence gave Rudolph W. Giuliani, then the United States attorney, reason to drop the charges in the Brink's robbery. Ms. Rosenberg objected at the time, but to no avail."

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/21/nyregion/former-terrorist-among-those-pardoned-freed-clinton-s-final-acts-office.html

This is an awful lot of work you went through to not disprove or even contradict the following points I made:


The post you shared remains largely untrue.

There are two ways to be convicted of a crime.  Plea guilty (that means confess) or go through the trial process.  Susan Rosenberg was convicted of posession of explosive materials, but the charges related to the actual bombing were dropped.  Since she was never tried for those and she never plead guilty - she was not convicted of them.

Michael Flynn pled guilty to the crimes he was charged with.  He also signed a document that detailed the crimes he was admitting to.

Here, I'll show you.  Take special note of what it says right before his signature:



https://i.gyazo.com/66287f172838f9e9233fe2a67f711de3.png
https://i.gyazo.com/c09889cf01b2387c4e93e5eeed3a8521.png
https://i.gyazo.com/ba3f6c22582fdb56ec6b111b9a31f0c5.png
https://i.gyazo.com/ba3f6c22582fdb56ec6b111b9a31f0c5.png
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https://i.gyazo.com/166340658f4b25ede16dd87b0d99799c.png
https://i.gyazo.com/166340658f4b25ede16dd87b0d99799c.png
https://i.gyazo.com/a7863f3ddd4a3138f8c745888449f9b7.png

Remember: "Convicted" is just word we use that means someone either pled guilty or was found guilty by trial. 

Interesting you never used the phrase "Plea Bargain" there, right? Because that's what both Rosenberg, and Flynn did, isn't it? "Plea Bargain" means do and say what the prosecutors tell you to do and say, and it does not matter if it's a pack of lies.

You've gone to the farthest extent of inferring meaning (of the type you were looking) for in footnotes to footnotes for Flynn, but hey, Rosenberg? Nothing to see there...   they caught her with some fireworks, probably for the 4th of July.

You think it's a shitty system and you're definitely not alone.

I'm just explaining what it means to be convicted of a crime in America, not saying it's the right or wrong way.

It was closed:


https://www.wsp.wa.gov/2020/07/06/wsp-detectives-seeking-witnesses-to-i-5-hit-and-run/

Now please enlighten us how this doesn't meet some random definition of "closed" and therefore makes it not reckless to drive on it.

Has the WSP authority to completely close any highway in Washington state anytime they want?
Or can they only restrain access?

Not trying to open a can of worm here, nor picking a side, but Techsahre pointed out that "closed" and "restrain" and "limit access" are different.
If the WSP had no authority to close it, then a good defense lawyer should be able to reduce the charges or even dismiss the case.

(about the driver entering the motorway.... the driver could say that he took the ramp on the wrong way, realized his mistake, turned around and was thankful that he didn't cause a head to head collision.... then the barricade accident happened)

Also, if the highway was closed for 1h, how come no-one dispatched traffic management, put a few orange cones? ... secure the situation.
The driver could point that not enough was done by the police, the highway patrol, to make the situation safe and to protect the protestors.

If instead of two cars "parked" (legally or illegally) on the motorway it has been a collision/crash, we would have seen half of dozen of emergency vehicles (police, EMS, and traffic patrol).

All I'm pointing are potential loopholes where the driver could see his sentence reduced/dropped.
Unfortunately, the dead protestor has lost her life, and nothing can change this.

Yes.  The state police in every state (that I know of at least) are in charge of major highways.  I guess the governor could step in and force them to ask permission before shutting down a highway - but I doubt that was the case.


I'm sure there will be plenty of avenues for this guys defense to consider, and maybe it really was an honest mistake.  All of my recent responses have simply been in response to the 'he was just driving down the highway, he can only be guilty of a traffic violation, the protesters were wrong first so that makes him less wrong' argument coming from tecshare and spendulus. 

You are REALLY desperate to find any way to slide the topic now aren't you? What does it feel like finding yourself publicly defending domestic terrorist organizations?

Convicted is just a word for confessing to supplying bombs to terrorists for murdering people. Its ok though, "murder" is just a word for taking some one's life, so no need to be concerned.

(4) "Ms. Rosenberg was arrested in November 1984, when she and a companion, Timothy A. Blunk, were caught unloading 740 pounds of dynamite and weapons, including a submachine gun, from their car off Interstate 295 in Cherry Hill, N.J. She admitted that she was planning to supply the explosives to others for bombings and has apologized for the crime.
...
In the explosives case, Ms. Rosenberg was convicted in 1985 of eight counts of possessing explosives, weapons and fake identification cards. She was sentenced to 58 years in prison...."

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/21/nyregion/former-terrorist-among-those-pardoned-freed-clinton-s-final-acts-office.html








The "protestors" negligent actions literally make him "less wrong" by the definition of the law.