'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"'

[TECSHARE]

About fucking time...


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/trump-designates-antifa-terrorist-organization

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[PrimeNumber7]

This is years past due. They have been able to operate freely in Washington state for much too long and terrorize the people there.

[mindrust]

I believe there is no right side in this conflict anymore which makes things even more messy.

So called Antifa people rob shops while MAGA people shoot people with bows.

It is out of control now and Trump's move isn't going to solve a damn.

The truth is even in America there are too many poor people and they got sick of being poor. That's  where the hate coming from.

[PrimeNumber7]

So called Antifa people robs shops while MAGA people shoot people with bows.

Your bolded statement is missing a reference.

Antifa is doing more than robbing shops, they are terrorizing citizens, killing innocent people, and causing property damage to innocent people.

[mindrust]

So called Antifa people robs shops while MAGA people shoot people with bows.

Your bolded statement is missing a reference.

Antifa is doing more than robbing shops, they are terrorizing citizens, killing innocent people, and causing property damage to innocent people.

Bow guy:
https://twitter.com/Gingersonfire/status/1266884385854255104

Sword guy:
https://twitter.com/oracularrevenge/status/1266961337336414209

[PrimeNumber7]

So called Antifa people robs shops while MAGA people shoot people with bows.

Your bolded statement is missing a reference.

Antifa is doing more than robbing shops, they are terrorizing citizens, killing innocent people, and causing property damage to innocent people.

Bow guy:
https://twitter.com/Gingersonfire/status/1266884385854255104

Sword guy:
https://twitter.com/oracularrevenge/status/1266961337336414209

You forgot the part about how these people are "MAGA people"

Also, in both cases, the terrorists went way beyond self-defense in beating both of those people, and as such should be brought up on terrorism charges.

[mindrust]

You forgot the part about how these people are "MAGA people"

Also, in both cases, the terrorists went way beyond self-defense in beating both of those people, and as such should be brought up on terrorism charges.

You may have a point. I am not favoring either side though. I said it is out of control now. It doesn't matter who is right from now on.

There will be blood either way.

[Febo]

Riots were also in past. I remember Los Angeles. Have no ideas what year it happen about 20 years ago. No one cares about it anymore. So soon everyone will forget about current riots. Nothing will changed. I think internet and because everyone have camera brought riots into our homes. That is why everyone is getting so upset.

[Spendulus]

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There will be blood either way.

If that is so, that's against the wises of 99% of the people in the US.

This is a situation where pretty much everyone has condemned the actions of a policeman who saw the video of his actions.

[TwitchySeal]

What exactly does this do, other than allow people to say 'they are terrorists, the president made it official'?
Will members of Antifa all still have the same constitutional rights as everyone else?  Will the FBI be able to investigate them in a way they couldn't previously?

[TECSHARE]

So called Antifa people robs shops while MAGA people shoot people with bows.

Your bolded statement is missing a reference.

Antifa is doing more than robbing shops, they are terrorizing citizens, killing innocent people, and causing property damage to innocent people.

Bow guy:
https://twitter.com/Gingersonfire/status/1266884385854255104

Sword guy:
https://twitter.com/oracularrevenge/status/1266961337336414209

The bow guy didn't shoot anyone, that information is false. From what I understand, he yelled "all lives matter" out his car window, he was surrounded, beaten, then he took out the bow and aimed it at people but did not shoot it. His car was then flipped over and burned. There is a ton of misinformation floating around, don't fall for the rage bait.

In both of these cases these men were attacked. For fuck sake there was a group of about 10 people stomping his face into the cement while he was passed out, there is absolutely no excuse for that, and you can't pretend that was just an attempt at disarming him. Furthermore you found two examples of questionable behavior to create a false equivalence. Enjoy sifting through the endless hours of footage of ANTIFA engaging in terrorism over the past several years here. These two things are not at all equal.

What exactly does this do, other than allow people to say 'they are terrorists, the president made it official'?
Will members of Antifa all still have the same constitutional rights as everyone else?  Will the FBI be able to investigate them in a way they couldn't previously?

"Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO)"

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/terror/IF10613.pdf



"8 USC 1189: Designation of foreign terrorist organizations"

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1189&num=0&edition=prelim

[TwitchySeal]

From what I understand, he yelled "all lives matter" out his car window, he was surrounded, beaten, then he took out the bow and aimed it at people but did not shoot it. His car was then flipped over and burned. There is a ton of misinformation floating around, don't fall for the rage bait.

Here are 2 videos from different angles (graphic):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yImHy8-pkns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM46N1sbyF4

He said in an interview ‘First, I got beat up when I yelled “All Lives Matter”', "Then I pulled out weapons and I got beat up some more." But it seems like he didn't get beat up until about 20 sec after he pulled out his hunting bow and aimed it a bunch of people while yelling 'all lives matter'.

I'm not sure what provoked him to get out of his car - my best guess is his car got hit by bottle or rock or something.
He seemed fine when he got out of his car and started aiming at several different people.  It looked like he was about to shoot each time - but he didn't:

After ~20 seconds he got tackled by a bunch of people.  They beat the shit out him, flipped his car and set it on fire.

I'm pretty sure these are both pictures of his car:


He did an interview with a local news outlet right after: https://twitter.com/justin_golight/status/1266932928623321090?s=20

[BADecker]

Trump should designate the Nevada 'Burning Man' desert for all this kind of stuff.

 

[TECSHARE]

From what I understand, he yelled "all lives matter" out his car window, he was surrounded, beaten, then he took out the bow and aimed it at people but did not shoot it. His car was then flipped over and burned. There is a ton of misinformation floating around, don't fall for the rage bait.

Here are 2 videos from different angles (graphic):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yImHy8-pkns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM46N1sbyF4

He said in an interview ‘First, I got beat up when I yelled “All Lives Matter”', "Then I pulled out weapons and I got beat up some more." But it seems like he didn't get beat up until about 20 sec after he pulled out his hunting bow and aimed it a bunch of people while yelling 'all lives matter'.

I'm not sure what provoked him to get out of his car - my best guess is his car got hit by bottle or rock or something.
He seemed fine when he got out of his car and started aiming at several different people.  It looked like he was about to shoot each time - but he didn't:

After ~20 seconds he got tackled by a bunch of people.  They beat the shit out him, flipped his car and set it on fire.

First the story was he was indiscriminately shooting protestors with a bow and arrow, then it was he was aiming at protestors, now it is he got out of his car so it is his fault a mob beat the shit out of him? Are you even looking at what you are justifying right now? Don't try to tell me you aren't because that is exactly what you are doing.

I also like how some how magically you know for sure what happened before the camera started rolling too as if it is TOTALLY UNTHINKABLE his car was being vandalized while he was trapped while they block traffic, and he was being threatened well before any of this happened. Of course any time shit like this happens the story just quietly gets rolled back, no one apologizes, and everyone just quietly pretends it happened like they were told. Then the rage bait that resulted from it remains, and he remains bloody and bruised while demonized by millions of retards looking for any excuse to unleash their cognitive dissonance. Such big tough guys mobbing up on a scared old man and beating the shit out of him. Clearly this is to be defended.

[PrimeNumber7]

What exactly does this do, other than allow people to say 'they are terrorists, the president made it official'?
Will members of Antifa all still have the same constitutional rights as everyone else?  Will the FBI be able to investigate them in a way they couldn't previously?

This depends on if Trump is designating them a foreign terrorist organization or a domestic terrorist organization.

The qualifying factor appears to be that ANTIFA is a "foreign organization". It is unclear based on my initial research what the definition of a "foreign organization" is.

If they are designated a domestic terrorist organization, the designation appears to be largely symbolic. It would probably get some people to think twice before giving money, or other support to Antifa. It is also a signal to Antifa members that the feds are watching and are going to be bringing charges against Antifa members who engage in terrorism, which hopefully will get them to think twice before continuing to engage in terrorism. Antifa often operates in very liberal cities where law enforcement policies effectively allow them to wreak havoc without consequence. Bill Bar said anyone who crosses state lines, or uses the interstate system to commit a crime is committing a federal crime, which means that anyone using interstates to travel or purchase supplies could be charged with a federal crime. He may also extend the theory for people who use the internet to communicate to commit a crime, or the banking system to purchase supplies to commit a crime. I think both of these may or may not hold up in court, but they have the potential to scare people out of continuing to engage in terrorism.

Classifying Antifa as a foreign terrorist organization would have serious, real consequences. Their assets would be frozen, and anyone giving them support would be committing a serious crime.

I would not be surprised if Antifa is receiving money from foreign governments, and foreign people. It is also likely that Antifa's messages are being amplified by foreign governments on social media. I am not sure if either of these would be sufficient to classify Anifta as a "foreign terrorist organization", or if it would hold up in court. If they are classified as a foreign terrorist organization, I suspect a handful of members of congress and some in the liberal media will likely end facing charges.

Here are 2 videos from different angles (graphic):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yImHy8-pkns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM46N1sbyF4

Pointing a bow and arrow is not something that would justify beating the man. Self-defense is limited to removing the threat of harm, which was about 2 seconds after he was first hit by the mob. Setting his car on fire was completely unjustified under any circumstances.

[suchmoon]

After ~20 seconds he got tackled by a bunch of people.  They beat the shit out him, flipped his car and set it on fire.

He may have deserved some beating (or rather restraining) depending on the circumstances - it's hard to tell from the choppy videos how real his threat was or what provoked it. Certainly didn't deserve a skateboard to the head though. Certainly didn't deserve his car torched even if it's a Dodge Caliber. It looks like people lose all sense of perspective or restraint when there's more that a few in one place. Knock him out, take away his bow, anything beyond that is just savagery.

[TECSHARE]

After ~20 seconds he got tackled by a bunch of people.  They beat the shit out him, flipped his car and set it on fire.

He may have deserved some beating (or rather restraining) depending on the circumstances - it's hard to tell from the choppy videos how real his threat was or what provoked it. Certainly didn't deserve a skateboard to the head though. Certainly didn't deserve his car torched even if it's a Dodge Caliber. It looks like people lose all sense of perspective or restraint when there's more that a few in one place. Knock him out, take away his bow, anything beyond that is just savagery.

Fuck you. He didn't deserve ANY of that, and you even insinuating he did makes you a total piece of shit.

[suchmoon]

After ~20 seconds he got tackled by a bunch of people.  They beat the shit out him, flipped his car and set it on fire.

He may have deserved some beating (or rather restraining) depending on the circumstances - it's hard to tell from the choppy videos how real his threat was or what provoked it. Certainly didn't deserve a skateboard to the head though. Certainly didn't deserve his car torched even if it's a Dodge Caliber. It looks like people lose all sense of perspective or restraint when there's more that a few in one place. Knock him out, take away his bow, anything beyond that is just savagery.

Fuck you. He didn't deserve ANY of that, and you even insinuating he did makes you a total piece of shit.

If he was actually threatening to shoot people with an arrow then he needed to be restrained. Or would you prefer that someone shot him with a handgun instead?

[TECSHARE]

If he was actually threatening to shoot people with an arrow then he needed to be restrained. Or would you prefer that someone shot him with a handgun instead?

It seemed pretty clear to me he was attempting to defend himself, but you are right, maybe a mob really did need to beat the shit out of him and burn his car for their own protection.

[PrimeNumber7]

After ~20 seconds he got tackled by a bunch of people.  They beat the shit out him, flipped his car and set it on fire.

He may have deserved some beating (or rather restraining) depending on the circumstances - it's hard to tell from the choppy videos how real his threat was or what provoked it. Certainly didn't deserve a skateboard to the head though. Certainly didn't deserve his car torched even if it's a Dodge Caliber. It looks like people lose all sense of perspective or restraint when there's more that a few in one place. Knock him out, take away his bow, anything beyond that is just savagery.

I don’t think knocking him out would be justified. Maybe knocking him down. Given the number of people that swarmed him, he was probably no longer a threat before the first punch was thrown from the front.