'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"'

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On another note:
[img width= 200]https://i.imgur.com/yQBxBFv.png[/img]

A quick fact check:

Susan Rosenberg wasn't convicted for any bombings. She was convicted of possessing more than 600 pounds of explosives in 1984. The bombing charges were dropped against her in 1990. She served 16 years of a 58-year prison sentence.

Also, she doesn't sit on the BLM's "fundraising arm" board of directors. She is the Vice Chair of the board of directors of Thousand Currents, "a non-profit foundation that sponsors the fundraising and does administrative work for the Black Lives Matter Global Network, among other clients."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg

https://thousandcurrents.org/blacklivesmatter-we-will-not-be-intimidated-into-silence/

On another note:
[img width= 200]https://i.imgur.com/yQBxBFv.png[/img]

A quick fact check:

Susan Rosenberg wasn't convicted for any bombings. She was convicted of possessing more than 600 pounds of explosives in 1984. The bombing charges were dropped against her in 1990. She served 16 years of a 58-year prison sentence.

Also, she doesn't sit on the BLM's "fundraising arm" board of directors. She is the Vice Chair of the board of directors of Thousand Currents, "a non-profit foundation that sponsors the fundraising and does administrative work for the Black Lives Matter Global Network, among other clients."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg

https://thousandcurrents.org/blacklivesmatter-we-will-not-be-intimidated-into-silence/

Too many words in those links.  I'll help.

[img ]https://i.gyazo.com/36d8a948024be2d526f315e71c0b01a2.png[/img]

You two are so cute when you are defending convicted terrorists. The charges were not dropped, her sentence was commuted, which is only an ending of a prison sentence, not remedy from guilt. She was still convicted and guilty of terrorist activity.

 "Susan Lisa Rosenberg (born 5 October 1955)[1] is an American activist, writer, and advocate for social justice and prisoners' rights. From the late 1970s into the mid-1980s, Rosenberg was active in the far-left revolutionary terrorist May 19th Communist Organization ("M19CO"), which according to a contemporaneous FBI report "openly advocate[d] the overthrow of the U.S. Government through armed struggle and the use of violence".[2] M19CO provided support to an offshoot of the Black Liberation Army, including in armored truck robberies, and later engaged in bombings of government buildings.[3]

After living as a fugitive for two years, Rosenberg was arrested in 1984 while in possession of a large cache of explosives and firearms. She had also been sought as an accomplice in the 1979 prison escape of Assata Shakur and in the 1981 Brink's robbery that resulted in the deaths of two police and a guard[4], although she was never charged in either case.

Rosenberg was sentenced to 58 years' imprisonment on the weapons and explosives charges. She spent 16 years in prison, during which she became a poet, author, and AIDS activist. Her sentence was commuted to time served by President Bill Clinton on January 20, 2001[5], his final day in office.[6][7]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg



"In 2016, representatives of the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement approached Thousand Currents for fiscal management and administrative assistance. [26] This partnership led to a fiscal sponsorship agreement that launched the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation. [27] The W.K. Kellogg Foundation provided a three-year grant of $900,000 thorough Thousand Currents to help organize local BLM chapters. [28] [29]

...

Thousand Currents reported $3,354,654 and $2,622,017 in donor-restricted assets for the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation in audits covering fiscal year 2019[31] and 2018,[32] respectively. These audits also showed that 83.3 percent of Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation total expenditures were for personnel, consultant, and travel costs during the three year period from 2017-2019.[33] About 6 percent of expenditures were in the form of grants to outside organizations, including to local Black Lives Matter chapters.[34]"

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/thousand-currents/



"As of June 2020, the vice chair of Thousand Currents board of directors was Susan Rosenberg, a former member of the Weather Underground and May 19th Communist Organization who spent 16 years in federal prison before having the remainder of her sentence commuted by President Bill Clinton in 2001.[56]"

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/thousand-currents/#people


As you can see they directly provide funding for BLM, and that money is being laundered through various PACs, Super PACS, and 501 C3 tax exempt organizations into the Democrat campaign. There is no denying BLM is a political group.



"BLM Co-Founder Appears To Violate IRS Laws On CNN"

https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/26/blm-co-founder-appears-to-violate-irs-laws-on-cnn/

[nutildah]

The charges were not dropped, her sentence was commuted, which is only an ending of a prison sentence, not remedy from guilt. She was still convicted and guilty of terrorist activity.

The bombing charges were dropped, contrary to what was stated in the post you shared.

https://www.nytimes.com/1990/09/06/us/3-radicals-agree-to-plead-guilty-in-bombing-case.htm

Bombing Charges Dropped

As part of the deal, Government prosecutors agreed to drop bombing charges against three other members of the leftist group who are serving long prison sentences for possession of explosives.
...
Lawyers said a Supreme Court decision in May in a New York case on the issue of double jeopardy figured in the Government's willingness to drop the charges against the three other radicals, Susan L. Rosenberg, Timothy A. Blunk and Alan Berkman.

Also, Thousand Currents isn't the "fundraising arm" of BLM. So, the post you shared remains wholly incorrect.

[TwitchySeal]

You two are so cute when you are defending convicted terrorists.

Obviously she's guilty - no need to get all upset and assume I'm 'defending' her.  

You're the one spreading misinformation about her, not me.  Now she can point out the lies that are spreading and maybe convince some people that the truth about her is also a lie.  The truth is always the right side to be on.

The charges were not dropped, her sentence was commuted, which is only an ending of a prison sentence, not remedy from guilt. She was still convicted and guilty of terrorist activity.

Ok well prove the 1990 NYTimes article wrong then. And no, the possession of explosives charges were separate from the bombing charges that the government dropped.

[TECSHARE]

The charges were not dropped, her sentence was commuted, which is only an ending of a prison sentence, not remedy from guilt. She was still convicted and guilty of terrorist activity.

The bombing charges were dropped, contrary to what was stated in the post you shared.

https://www.nytimes.com/1990/09/06/us/3-radicals-agree-to-plead-guilty-in-bombing-case.htm

Bombing Charges Dropped

As part of the deal, Government prosecutors agreed to drop bombing charges against three other members of the leftist group who are serving long prison sentences for possession of explosives.
...
Lawyers said a Supreme Court decision in May in a New York case on the issue of double jeopardy figured in the Government's willingness to drop the charges against the three other radicals, Susan L. Rosenberg, Timothy A. Blunk and Alan Berkman.

Also, Thousand Currents isn't the "fundraising arm" of BLM. So, the post you shared remains wholly incorrect.

[Shes not a terrorist! She was only convicted of having hundreds of pounds of explosives! Don't look at that though, look over here away from the inconvenient facts and look at the squirrel over here.]

You denying Thousand Currents directly funds Black Lives Matter doesn't magically make it cease to be fact.

You two are so cute when you are defending convicted terrorists.

Obviously she's guilty - no need to get all upset and assume I'm 'defending' her.  

You're the one spreading misinformation about her, not me.  Now she can point out the lies that are spreading and maybe convince some people that the truth about her is also a lie.  The truth is always the right side to be on.

The charges were not dropped, her sentence was commuted, which is only an ending of a prison sentence, not remedy from guilt. She was still convicted and guilty of terrorist activity.

Ok well prove the 1990 NYTimes article wrong then. And no, the possession of explosives charges were separate from the bombing charges that the government dropped.

That is exactly what you are doing, defending a convicted terrorist felon. Everything I said about her is true and I provided multiple sources for each part of the claim. Don't pretend you care about the truth as you use it as a shiny object to distract from the felony conviction. I don't need to prove that, I already proved she is a convicted felon caught with large amounts of explosives.

You two are desperate to distract from this fact aren't you? I wonder what you would say if even the "MAGA Bomber", a man who injured no one, nor intended too, was fundraising for Donald Trump? Might your heads explode with the collective reverberations of the REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEing?

[nutildah]

[Shes not a terrorist! She was only convicted of having hundreds of pounds of explosives! Don't look at that though, look over here away from the inconvenient facts and look at the squirrel over here.]

You denying Thousand Currents directly funds Black Lives Matter doesn't magically make it cease to be fact.

The weird thing about this is I literally said none of it. I was merely pointing out that the "facts" stated in the post you shared were incorrect.

[TwitchySeal]

That is exactly what you are doing, defending a convicted terrorist felon.

I'm saying the government dropped the bombing charges, therefor she wasn't convicted.

It's ok to admit you're wrong.  If you ever decide to give it a shot, I promise I'll just move on.  Won't bring it up again and talk about all the time.  Won't troll you.  Won't think less of you. It's a totally normal thing for a person to do, we all make mistakes.

[TECSHARE]

[Shes not a terrorist! She was only convicted of having hundreds of pounds of explosives! Don't look at that though, look over here away from the inconvenient facts and look at the squirrel over here.]

You denying Thousand Currents directly funds Black Lives Matter doesn't magically make it cease to be fact.

The weird thing about this is I literally said none of it. I was merely pointing out that the "facts" stated in the post you shared were incorrect.

Yet that is exactly what you do when you assert my premise is not true. Your argument consists of

"These facts aren't true because these other independent facts over here exist."

That is the post YOU shared BTW, and didn't even bother reading the Wikipedia link you posted. This is your source.

That is exactly what you are doing, defending a convicted terrorist felon.

I'm saying the government dropped the bombing charges, therefor she wasn't convicted.

It's ok to admit you're wrong.  If you ever decide to give it a shot, I promise I'll just move on.  Won't bring it up again and talk about all the time.  Won't troll you.  Won't think less of you. It's a totally normal thing for a person to do, we all make mistakes.

She is in fact a convicted felon. She was convicted of having several hundred pounds of explosives. Again, with no tenable defense of all these facts, you can only resort is to try to distract from that conviction by sliding the topic to the other charges. Hey TwattySqueal, speaking of being wrong, what state is Minneapolis in? Also how does it feel to be defending murderers and terrorists? Do you ever stop and ask yourself "Are we the baddies?"

[suchmoon]

Highways are explicitly restricted because they are expecting traffic to travel at a high rate of speed.

This highway was explicitly closed.

[nutildah]

Yet that is exactly what you do when you assert my premise is not true. Your argument consists of

"These facts aren't true because these other independent facts over here exist."

That is the post YOU shared BTW, and didn't even bother reading the Wikipedia link you posted. This is your source.

Your disconnect from reality seems to have kicked up into the next gear.

On another note:

You're definitely the one who shared it. Let's break it down:

"This is convicted terrorist Susan Rosenberg" = ok, I have no problems with this part; she was part of a terrorist organization, she was convicted of a pretty serious crime, and that is her.

"she sits on the Board of Directors for the fundraising arm of Black Lives Matter" = not true.

"She was convicted for the 1983 bombing of the United States Capitol Building, the U.S. Naval War College and the New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Assoc" = none of this is true.

So to be fair, its 1-for-3 in terms of truthfulness, which still renders it generally untruthful.

[Spendulus]

"This is convicted terrorist Susan Rosenberg" = ok, I have no problems with this part; she was part of a terrorist organization, she was convicted of a pretty serious crime, and that is her.

"she sits on the Board of Directors for the fundraising arm of Black Lives Matter" = not true.

"She was convicted for the 1983 bombing of the United States Capitol Building, the U.S. Naval War College and the New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Assoc" = none of this is true.

So to be fair, its 1-for-3 in terms of truthfulness, which still renders it generally untruthful.

But...
Let's look at Wikipedia, shall we?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg

As of 2020, Rosenberg serves as Vice Chair of the Board of Directors of Thousand Currents, a non-profit foundation that sponsors the fundraising and does administrative work for the Black Lives Matter Global Network, among other clients.[24]

Rosenberg was charged with a role in the 1983 bombing of the United States Capitol Building, the U.S. National War College and the New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, but the charges were dropped as part of a plea deal by other members of her group.[7][12]

Looks more like 2 of 3, guilty all the way down the line and some plea bargaining.

I can't help but mention the narrow minded vindictiveness with which Twitch solemnly invoked "Flynn is a convicted Felon", now defending this witch.

And we don't even have any evidence she loves kittens and puppies!

[TECSHARE]

Highways are explicitly restricted because they are expecting traffic to travel at a high rate of speed.

This highway was explicitly closed.

No, the highway was blocked off by police in an emergency. That is not the same as the highway being closed. When a highway is closed, its closed, ie physically inaccessible not just legally off limits. One is an emergency action done on short notice, the other is a semi-permanent state. Highways are for driving. The idea we are even discussing the merits of running around on highways at night, blocking off highways risking driver's lives, or any of the other violent conflict that inevitably results from such reckless actions is asinine. All you are doing is advocating for death and more people getting shot, run over, or otherwise beat, maimed and killed. Your hive mind ideology is so important to you that you are willing to support behavior that results in this rather than just admit your woke cult is not so woke.

Yet that is exactly what you do when you assert my premise is not true. Your argument consists of

"These facts aren't true because these other independent facts over here exist."

That is the post YOU shared BTW, and didn't even bother reading the Wikipedia link you posted. This is your source.

Your disconnect from reality seems to have kicked up into the next gear.

On another note:

[img width= 400]https://i.imgur.com/yQBxBFv.png[/img]

You're definitely the one who shared it. Let's break it down:

"This is convicted terrorist Susan Rosenberg" = ok, I have no problems with this part; she was part of a terrorist organization, she was convicted of a pretty serious crime, and that is her.

"she sits on the Board of Directors for the fundraising arm of Black Lives Matter" = not true.

"She was convicted for the 1983 bombing of the United States Capitol Building, the U.S. Naval War College and the New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Assoc" = none of this is true.

So to be fair, its 1-for-3 in terms of truthfulness, which still renders it generally untruthful.

Ad hominem. Base refutation without substantiation or support.

Yes lets break it down.

(1) "convicted terrorist"
(2) "she sits on the Board of Directors"
(3) "fundraising arm of Black Lives Matter"
(4) "She was convicted for..."

Are any of these numbered references not factual?


(1) (2) (3) (4) "Rosenberg was also identified as a member of the Thousand Currents board of directors in the charity’s Form 990s submitted to the IRS for its 2016, 2017 and 2018 fiscal years, indicating that the former terrorist has been involved with the group for the entirety of its fiscal sponsorship arrangement with the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, which began in 2016."

https://www.westernjournal.com/convicted-terrorist-released-bill-clinton-now-sits-board-blms-fundraising-organization/



(2) "As of June 2020, the vice chair of Thousand Currents board of directors was Susan Rosenberg, a former member of the Weather Underground and May 19th Communist Organization who spent 16 years in federal prison before having the remainder of her sentence commuted by President Bill Clinton in 2001.[56]"

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/thousand-currents/#people


"Thousand Currents

Oakland, California, United States

Enhance local and place-specific interventions to address issues impacting the lives of Black community members, families and children by building the infrastructure and capacity of the national #BlackLivesMatter to support and strengthen their local chapters’ organizing capacity

June 1, 2016 - May 31, 2019"

https://www.wkkf.org/grants/grant/2016/06/black-lives-matter-p3034683



(2) "Susan Rosenberg
Human and Prisoner Rights Advocate and Writer
Thousand Currents Vice Chair of the Board of Directors"

https://web.archive.org/web/20200616222408/https:/thousandcurrents.org/board-of-directors/



(2)(4) "Exposing Black Lives Matter's ties to convicted domestic terrorist
... Susan Rosenberg sits on the board of a non-profit that is tied to Black Lives Matter's fundraising operations; reaction from former NYPD Commissioner Bernie Kerik."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/motorsports/exposing-black-lives-matters-ties-to-convicted-domestic-terrorist/vp-BB16vq1O


(3) "In 2016, BLM Global Network approached Thousand Currents to create a fiscal sponsorship agreement. Thousand Currents, a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt nonprofit organization, provides the legal and administrative framework to enable BLM to fulfill its mission. Fiscal sponsorship is a common structure utilized by nonprofit organizations. Oftentimes, nonprofit initiatives seek fiscal sponsorship to be able to have the fiscal sponsor handle administrative operations while the organization focuses on its programs and builds up its own organizational infrastructure. In this capacity, we provide administrative and back office support, including finance, accounting, grants management, insurance, human resources, legal and compliance. Donations to BLM are received as restricted donations to support the activities of BLM."

https://thousandcurrents.org/black-lives-matter/



(4) "Ms. Rosenberg was arrested in November 1984, when she and a companion, Timothy A. Blunk, were caught unloading 740 pounds of dynamite and weapons, including a submachine gun, from their car off Interstate 295 in Cherry Hill, N.J. She admitted that she was planning to supply the explosives to others for bombings and has apologized for the crime.
But at the time, Ms. Rosenberg was also wanted for fleeing while under indictment for charges that included federal racketeering and bank robbery.
The indictment covered the Oct. 20, 1981, attack on the Brink's truck by a band of people that included members of the Weather Underground and the Black Liberation Army. The security guard was killed in the Nanuet Mall, and the two police officers were killed in a roadblock shootout. The robbers took $1.6 million. Federal investigations later showed that Ms. Rosenberg lived for a year in New Haven with Marilyn Jean Buck, the driver of the getaway car.
In the explosives case, Ms. Rosenberg was convicted in 1985 of eight counts of possessing explosives, weapons and fake identification cards. She was sentenced to 58 years in prison. The length of the sentence gave Rudolph W. Giuliani, then the United States attorney, reason to drop the charges in the Brink's robbery. Ms. Rosenberg objected at the time, but to no avail."

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/21/nyregion/former-terrorist-among-those-pardoned-freed-clinton-s-final-acts-office.html

[nutildah]

Yet that is exactly what you do when you assert my premise is not true. Your argument consists of

"These facts aren't true because these other independent facts over here exist."

That is the post YOU shared BTW, and didn't even bother reading the Wikipedia link you posted. This is your source.

Your disconnect from reality seems to have kicked up into the next gear.

On another note:

You're definitely the one who shared it. Let's break it down:

"This is convicted terrorist Susan Rosenberg" = ok, I have no problems with this part; she was part of a terrorist organization, she was convicted of a pretty serious crime, and that is her.

"she sits on the Board of Directors for the fundraising arm of Black Lives Matter" = not true.

"She was convicted for the 1983 bombing of the United States Capitol Building, the U.S. Naval War College and the New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Assoc" = none of this is true.

So to be fair, its 1-for-3 in terms of truthfulness, which still renders it generally untruthful.

Ad hominem. Base refutation without substantiation or support.

Yes lets break it down.

(1) "convicted terrorist"
(2) "she sits on the Board of Directors"
(3) "fundraising arm of Black Lives Matter"
(4) "She was convicted for..."

Are any of these numbered references not factual?


(1) (2) (3) (4) "Rosenberg was also identified as a member of the Thousand Currents board of directors in the charity’s Form 990s submitted to the IRS for its 2016, 2017 and 2018 fiscal years, indicating that the former terrorist has been involved with the group for the entirety of its fiscal sponsorship arrangement with the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, which began in 2016."

https://www.westernjournal.com/convicted-terrorist-released-bill-clinton-now-sits-board-blms-fundraising-organization/



(2) "As of June 2020, the vice chair of Thousand Currents board of directors was Susan Rosenberg, a former member of the Weather Underground and May 19th Communist Organization who spent 16 years in federal prison before having the remainder of her sentence commuted by President Bill Clinton in 2001.[56]"

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/thousand-currents/#people


"Thousand Currents

Oakland, California, United States

Enhance local and place-specific interventions to address issues impacting the lives of Black community members, families and children by building the infrastructure and capacity of the national #BlackLivesMatter to support and strengthen their local chapters’ organizing capacity

June 1, 2016 - May 31, 2019"

https://www.wkkf.org/grants/grant/2016/06/black-lives-matter-p3034683



(2) "Susan Rosenberg
Human and Prisoner Rights Advocate and Writer
Thousand Currents Vice Chair of the Board of Directors"

https://web.archive.org/web/20200616222408/https:/thousandcurrents.org/board-of-directors/



(2)(4) "Exposing Black Lives Matter's ties to convicted domestic terrorist
... Susan Rosenberg sits on the board of a non-profit that is tied to Black Lives Matter's fundraising operations; reaction from former NYPD Commissioner Bernie Kerik."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/motorsports/exposing-black-lives-matters-ties-to-convicted-domestic-terrorist/vp-BB16vq1O


(3) "In 2016, BLM Global Network approached Thousand Currents to create a fiscal sponsorship agreement. Thousand Currents, a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt nonprofit organization, provides the legal and administrative framework to enable BLM to fulfill its mission. Fiscal sponsorship is a common structure utilized by nonprofit organizations. Oftentimes, nonprofit initiatives seek fiscal sponsorship to be able to have the fiscal sponsor handle administrative operations while the organization focuses on its programs and builds up its own organizational infrastructure. In this capacity, we provide administrative and back office support, including finance, accounting, grants management, insurance, human resources, legal and compliance. Donations to BLM are received as restricted donations to support the activities of BLM."

https://thousandcurrents.org/black-lives-matter/



(4) "Ms. Rosenberg was arrested in November 1984, when she and a companion, Timothy A. Blunk, were caught unloading 740 pounds of dynamite and weapons, including a submachine gun, from their car off Interstate 295 in Cherry Hill, N.J. She admitted that she was planning to supply the explosives to others for bombings and has apologized for the crime.
But at the time, Ms. Rosenberg was also wanted for fleeing while under indictment for charges that included federal racketeering and bank robbery.
The indictment covered the Oct. 20, 1981, attack on the Brink's truck by a band of people that included members of the Weather Underground and the Black Liberation Army. The security guard was killed in the Nanuet Mall, and the two police officers were killed in a roadblock shootout. The robbers took $1.6 million. Federal investigations later showed that Ms. Rosenberg lived for a year in New Haven with Marilyn Jean Buck, the driver of the getaway car.
In the explosives case, Ms. Rosenberg was convicted in 1985 of eight counts of possessing explosives, weapons and fake identification cards. She was sentenced to 58 years in prison. The length of the sentence gave Rudolph W. Giuliani, then the United States attorney, reason to drop the charges in the Brink's robbery. Ms. Rosenberg objected at the time, but to no avail."

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/21/nyregion/former-terrorist-among-those-pardoned-freed-clinton-s-final-acts-office.html

This is an awful lot of work you went through to not disprove or even contradict the following points I made:

"she sits on the Board of Directors for the fundraising arm of Black Lives Matter" = not true.

"She was convicted for the 1983 bombing of the United States Capitol Building, the U.S. Naval War College and the New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Assoc" = none of this is true.

The post you shared remains largely untrue.

[TwitchySeal]

"This is convicted terrorist Susan Rosenberg" = ok, I have no problems with this part; she was part of a terrorist organization, she was convicted of a pretty serious crime, and that is her.

"she sits on the Board of Directors for the fundraising arm of Black Lives Matter" = not true.

"She was convicted for the 1983 bombing of the United States Capitol Building, the U.S. Naval War College and the New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Assoc" = none of this is true.

So to be fair, its 1-for-3 in terms of truthfulness, which still renders it generally untruthful.

But...
Let's look at Wikipedia, shall we?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg

As of 2020, Rosenberg serves as Vice Chair of the Board of Directors of Thousand Currents, a non-profit foundation that sponsors the fundraising and does administrative work for the Black Lives Matter Global Network, among other clients.[24]

Rosenberg was charged with a role in the 1983 bombing of the United States Capitol Building, the U.S. National War College and the New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, but the charges were dropped as part of a plea deal by other members of her group.[7][12]

Looks more like 2 of 3, guilty all the way down the line and some plea bargaining.

I can't help but mention the narrow minded vindictiveness with which Twitch solemnly invoked "Flynn is a convicted Felon", now defending this witch.

And we don't even have any evidence she loves kittens and puppies!

There are two ways to be convicted of a crime.  Plea guilty (that means confess) or go through the trial process.  Susan Rosenberg was convicted of posession of explosive materials, but the charges related to the actual bombing were dropped.  Since she was never tried for those and she never plead guilty - she was not convicted of them.

Michael Flynn pled guilty to the crimes he was charged with.  He also signed a document that detailed the crimes he was admitting to.

Here, I'll show you.  Take special note of what it says right before his signature:

Defendants Acceptance
I make this statement knowingly and voluntarily and
because l am, in fact, guilty of the crime charged. No threats have been made to me nor am I
under the influence of anything that could impede my ability to understand this Statement of the
Offense fully.

I have read every word of this Statement of the Offense, or have had it read to me.
Pursuant to Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 11, after consulting with my attorneys, I agree
and stipulate to this Statement of the Offense, and declare under penalty of perjury that it is true
and correct.

Remember: "Convicted" is just word we use that means someone either pled guilty or was found guilty by trial. 

[Spendulus]

"This is convicted terrorist Susan Rosenberg" = ok, I have no problems with this part; she was part of a terrorist organization, she was convicted of a pretty serious crime, and that is her.

"she sits on the Board of Directors for the fundraising arm of Black Lives Matter" = not true.

"She was convicted for the 1983 bombing of the United States Capitol Building, the U.S. Naval War College and the New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Assoc" = none of this is true.

So to be fair, its 1-for-3 in terms of truthfulness, which still renders it generally untruthful.

But...
Let's look at Wikipedia, shall we?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg

As of 2020, Rosenberg serves as Vice Chair of the Board of Directors of Thousand Currents, a non-profit foundation that sponsors the fundraising and does administrative work for the Black Lives Matter Global Network, among other clients.[24]

Rosenberg was charged with a role in the 1983 bombing of the United States Capitol Building, the U.S. National War College and the New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, but the charges were dropped as part of a plea deal by other members of her group.[7][12]

Looks more like 2 of 3, guilty all the way down the line and some plea bargaining.

I can't help but mention the narrow minded vindictiveness with which Twitch solemnly invoked "Flynn is a convicted Felon", now defending this witch.

And we don't even have any evidence she loves kittens and puppies!

There are two ways to be convicted of a crime.  Plea guilty (that means confess) or go through the trial process.  Susan Rosenberg was convicted of posession of explosive materials, but the charges related to the actual bombing were dropped.  Since she was never tried for those and she never plead guilty - she was not convicted of them.

....

Interesting you never used the phrase "Plea Bargain" there, right? Because that's what both Rosenberg, and Flynn did, isn't it? "Plea Bargain" means do and say what the prosecutors tell you to do and say, and it does not matter if it's a pack of lies.

You've gone to the farthest extent of inferring meaning (of the type you were looking) for in footnotes to footnotes for Flynn, but hey, Rosenberg? Nothing to see there...   they caught her with some fireworks, probably for the 4th of July.

[TwitchySeal]

Interesting you never used the phrase "Plea Bargain" there, right? Because that's what both Rosenberg, and Flynn did, isn't it? "Plea Bargain" means do and say what the prosecutors tell you to do and say, and it does not matter if it's a pack of lies.

You think it's a shitty system and you're definitely not alone.

I'm just explaining what it means to be convicted of a crime in America, not saying it's the right or wrong way.

[suchmoon]

Highways are explicitly restricted because they are expecting traffic to travel at a high rate of speed.

This highway was explicitly closed.

No, the highway was blocked off by police in an emergency. That is not the same as the highway being closed. When a highway is closed, its closed, ie physically inaccessible not just legally off limits.

It was closed:

The WSP closed both directions of I-5 for protest activity at 11:56 p.m. on July 3rd.

https://www.wsp.wa.gov/2020/07/06/wsp-detectives-seeking-witnesses-to-i-5-hit-and-run/

Now please enlighten us how this doesn't meet some random definition of "closed" and therefore makes it not reckless to drive on it.

[guigui371]

It was closed:

The WSP closed both directions of I-5 for protest activity at 11:56 p.m. on July 3rd.

https://www.wsp.wa.gov/2020/07/06/wsp-detectives-seeking-witnesses-to-i-5-hit-and-run/

Now please enlighten us how this doesn't meet some random definition of "closed" and therefore makes it not reckless to drive on it.

Has the WSP authority to completely close any highway in Washington state anytime they want?
Or can they only restrain access?

Not trying to open a can of worm here, nor picking a side, but Techsahre pointed out that "closed" and "restrain" and "limit access" are different.
If the WSP had no authority to close it, then a good defense lawyer should be able to reduce the charges or even dismiss the case.

(about the driver entering the motorway.... the driver could say that he took the ramp on the wrong way, realized his mistake, turned around and was thankful that he didn't cause a head to head collision.... then the barricade accident happened)

Also, if the highway was closed for 1h, how come no-one dispatched traffic management, put a few orange cones? ... secure the situation.
The driver could point that not enough was done by the police, the highway patrol, to make the situation safe and to protect the protestors.

If instead of two cars "parked" (legally or illegally) on the motorway it has been a collision/crash, we would have seen half of dozen of emergency vehicles (police, EMS, and traffic patrol).

All I'm pointing are potential loopholes where the driver could see his sentence reduced/dropped.
Unfortunately, the dead protestor has lost her life, and nothing can change this.

[TwitchySeal]

Has the WSP authority to completely close any highway in Washington state anytime they want?

Yes.  The state police in every state (that I know of at least) are in charge of major highways.  I guess the governor could step in and force them to ask permission before shutting down a highway - but I doubt that was the case.

I'm sure there will be plenty of avenues for this guys defense to consider, and maybe it really was an honest mistake.  All of my recent responses have simply been in response to the 'he was just driving down the highway, he can only be guilty of a traffic violation, the protesters were wrong first so that makes him less wrong' argument coming from tecshare and spendulus. 

[TECSHARE]

There are two ways to be convicted of a crime.  Plea guilty (that means confess) or go through the trial process.  Susan Rosenberg was convicted of posession of explosive materials, but the charges related to the actual bombing were dropped.  Since she was never tried for those and she never plead guilty - she was not convicted of them.

Michael Flynn pled guilty to the crimes he was charged with.  He also signed a document that detailed the crimes he was admitting to.

Here, I'll show you.  Take special note of what it says right before his signature:

...

Remember: "Convicted" is just word we use that means someone either pled guilty or was found guilty by trial.  

You are REALLY desperate to find any way to slide the topic now aren't you? What does it feel like finding yourself publicly defending domestic terrorist organizations?

Convicted is just a word for confessing to supplying bombs to terrorists for murdering people. Its ok though, "murder" is just a word for taking some one's life, so no need to be concerned.

(4) "Ms. Rosenberg was arrested in November 1984, when she and a companion, Timothy A. Blunk, were caught unloading 740 pounds of dynamite and weapons, including a submachine gun, from their car off Interstate 295 in Cherry Hill, N.J. She admitted that she was planning to supply the explosives to others for bombings and has apologized for the crime.
...
In the explosives case, Ms. Rosenberg was convicted in 1985 of eight counts of possessing explosives, weapons and fake identification cards. She was sentenced to 58 years in prison...."

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/21/nyregion/former-terrorist-among-those-pardoned-freed-clinton-s-final-acts-office.html

Has the WSP authority to completely close any highway in Washington state anytime they want?

Yes.  The state police in every state (that I know of at least) are in charge of major highways.  I guess the governor could step in and force them to ask permission before shutting down a highway - but I doubt that was the case.

I'm sure there will be plenty of avenues for this guys defense to consider, and maybe it really was an honest mistake.  All of my recent responses have simply been in response to the 'he was just driving down the highway, he can only be guilty of a traffic violation, the protesters were wrong first so that makes him less wrong' argument coming from tecshare and spendulus.  

"RCW 47.52.120
Violations specified—Exceptions—Penalty.

"(1) After the opening of any limited access highway facility, it shall be unlawful for any person to:...(e) stop or park any vehicle or equipment within the right-of-way of such facility, including the shoulders thereof, except at points specially provided therefor, and to make only such use of such specially provided stopping or parking points as is permitted...

(3) Any person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and upon arrest and conviction therefor shall be punished by a fine of not less than five dollars nor more than one hundred dollars, or by imprisonment in the city or county jail for not less than five days nor more than ninety days, or by both fine and imprisonment."

https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=47.52.120



"RCW 46.61.570
Stopping, standing, or parking prohibited in specified places—Reserving portion of highway prohibited.
(1) Except when necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic, or in compliance with law or the directions of a police officer or official traffic control device, no person shall:
(a) Stop, stand, or park a vehicle:
...
(4) It shall be unlawful for any person to reserve or attempt to reserve any portion of a highway for the purpose of stopping, standing, or parking to the exclusion of any other like person, nor shall any person be granted such right."

https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.570

I.E. The police don't have the legal authority to grant this right.

The "protestors" negligent actions literally make him "less wrong" by the definition of the law.

"Criminal Negligence Law and Legal DefinitionCriminal negligence is negligence which requires a greater degree of culpability than the civil standard of negligence. The civil standard of negligence is defined according to a failure to follow the standard of conduct of a reasonable person in the same situation as the defendant. To show criminal negligence, the state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt the mental state involved in criminal negligence."

https://definitions.uslegal.com/c/criminal-negligence/


"Contributory Negligence

The concept of contributory negligence is used to characterize conduct that creates an unreasonable risk to one's self. The idea is that an individual has a duty to act as a reasonable person. When a person does not act this way and injury occurs, that person may be held entirely or partially responsible for the resulting injury, even though another party was involved in the accident.For example, Dave, a motorist, strikes Sally, a pedestrian who was crossing the street without carefully checking traffic or heeding the warning of the do-not-cross sign of the nearby streetlight. Who's at fault in this situation?After an injured party files a negligence claim, the defendant (the person sued) may then assert a contributory negligence claim against the plaintiff (the person bringing the lawsuit), effectively stating that the injury occurred at least partially as a result of the plaintiff's own actions. This would be a contributory negligence counterclaim, a common defense to negligence claims.If the defendant is able to prove the contributory negligence claim, the plaintiff may be totally barred from recovering damages or her damages may be reduced to reflect her role in the resulting injury. The pedestrian in the example, Sally, probably would be considered at least partially at fault (and therefore liable for contributory negligence) for carelessly crossing the street.



Comparative Negligence

Most states have now adopted a comparative negligence approach to contributory negligence, wherein each party's negligence for a given injury is weighed when determining damages.Traditionally, the courts viewed contributory negligence as a total bar to the recovery of any damages. Under the traditional view, if a person had contributed to the accident in any way, the person was not entitled to compensation for his or her injuries. In an attempt to reduce the harsh, oftentimes unfair outcomes resulting from this approach, most states have now adopted a comparative negligence approach."

https://injury.findlaw.com/accident-injury-law/contributory-and-comparative-negligence.html



Under civil law, if a person fails to act reasonably and acts in such a manner to endanger themselves, the defendant may be liable for less, or have no liability at all. As you can see, criminal law sets a higher bar for negligence claims than does civil law, thus it is clear that a claim of criminal negligence on the part of the plaintiff simply would not hold water. This prosecution is purely a political one designed to appease the riot mob and has no basis in law.

[TwitchySeal]

TECSHARE, did you read about how the actual bombing charges were dropped by the federal prosecutors?  It's been linked a cited to you several times now from the NYTimes article.  You're citing the NYTimes, so I'm just wondering...do you not understand or are you doing the whole willful ignorance thing again.

Nobody is saying she's innocent by the way.  Do you understand the difference?\

And topic sliding...really? We're only discussing this because you brought it up - and I only mentioned Flynn because Spendulus brought him up.  Would you prefer to be ignored?  Of course not.