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There are suspicions that Russia might fight back by shutting gas supply to the West. Some sources confirmed that the US is already in talks with Qatar to become Russia’s substitute.  
 
But Qatar and other oil and gas producing nations confirmed that they will not be able to provide substantial amounts of gas to replace Russia’s supply.
 
African countries have been tipped as the best option because the continent has some of the world’s deepest gas reserves. But Africa might not replace Russia because of insecurity and lack of infrastructures.

Who will replace Russia?

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/3/1/analysis-can-african-gas-replace-russian-supplies-to-europe

If Africa do have a lot of oil reserves then it'll probably come from them. There were rumours of building a rail way under the sea between Gibraltar and Morocco a while ago, pipes for carrying gas would be easier to place and if the EU are serious on sanctioning Russia then it'd probably be worthwhile to sponsor those countries and provide them infrastructure.

There might also be attempts to increase the number of rigs there are for companies like bp and Shell to be able to extract more oil (the UK government has a habit of nationalising/buying things when the private sector makes them too expensive too which might be another thing that happens).

Coal!

Italy and Germany both have clearly stated that there is only one short-term solution if the gas flow stops, reopen the coal powerplants, for Germany it comes with keeping the nuclear powerplants in function beyond the previously agreed terms and one can hope the plan also includes getting all those green politicians to give them a hk33 and then them to fight global warming in Kyiv.

Western Europe was doing just fine without Russian gas before 93, it can still do if they are not stupid, it will simply mean stop spending billions on solar panels that work 2 hours a day and build some damn nuclear reactors that work 24/7.



Oh, what a surprise, the Algerian president, who is a former military and admirer of Putin has blocked the Maghreb pipeline last year in October, the pipeline would have been needed to carry extra gas from Nigeria to Spain through the now in construction TransSahara line. And guess what Russian company has started bribing left and right to be part of the project?
Weird, right? Azerbaijan wants to sell gas to Europe suddenly Russia is there and war starts.
Ukraine finds gas in the Black sea and wants to sell it to Europe, suddenly they are nazis and must be liberated.
See the pattern?

If they do reopen the coal plants then it will have to be temporarily, they can’t use it long term. Think of all the work that was put in recently to protect the environment and now they will open up the coal plants? I guess it’s better than shortages and a cold winter however there needs to be a better alternative.

This war only went on for 1 week. Who knows, maybe by the end of next week or next month some agreement can be made and all of this will be reversed. At least for next Winter.

Like the poster said above, those countries just won’t have enough supply to meet all the demand in the middle of winter.

Digging underground would be taking a long time and if they've started already then we should've seen it on the news since it should've been reported already because it's a big project. I think that Russia will be able to hold on their own in terms of oil supply, don't they have their state owned petrol company and aren't there oil rigs in their country?

It's gonna be a double-edged sword. That's a lot of money to lose. But, if they are willing to sacrifice in the name of a countersanction or countermeasure against all the sanctions imposed on them, it will definitely be a devastating blow.

That's the primary consideration by the Germans on why they didn't impose the strictest measures against Russia. But now it seems Chancellor Olaf has already taken a full U-turn against the Russians notwithstanding its gas dependence on the latter. So I surmise they must have already found an alternative source/s.

But I guess by this time, western countries have already communicated with middle eastern oil producing countries and gas producing countries like Canada and Norway to increase their production to make up for the loss of supplies coming from Russia.

Whatever the solution, what seems clear is that energy will be more expensive for Europe, something that was already happening before the war, and even more so with this. Until the alternative is implemented and the matter is stabilized, prices will tend to rise. There is also the possibility of liquefied gas from the USA, which is more expensive, but what is clear is that the war, apart from the human drama, will also have a negative economic component for the great majority of the population.

Now the issue of imposing an embargo on oil and gas from Russia is being discussed. Yesterday I heard the news on television that Iran announced the possibility of providing the whole world with oil and gas. So there are no irreplaceable people in this world.
Now the civilized world has united in the determination to help Ukraine defend its independence, and they are already ready to strike a sanctions blow against Russia, even to the detriment of their economic interests.

Nobody can replace Russia in the short term.
The only solution is a mixture of lowering the natural gas consumption in Europe(by implementing new technologies) and finding smaller alternative gas suppliers(like Azerbaijan). Returning to coal as a substitute of the natural gas in the power plants is a temporary solution,but it might work.
Unfortunately,the Europeans will have to deal with the fact,that the energy prices will be going up for sure,even in case of a peaceful agreement between Russia and Ukraine.
I was hearing rumors,that the increasing oil prices might boost the natural gas production in the USA.
I don't know if this true,though.

Europe gets almost 40% of its gas from Russia. If you just look at the sheer volume, this means that in the short term no one can replace Russia as a supplier. And in the medium or long term, it is not easy to find alternatives. If Russia stops supplying gas, the lights will go out in many parts of Europe. For me, this topic is getting far too little attention in the media at the moment.

There are already oil firms in Africa that might be able to do some extra exploration/extraction if given more resources or if they have to (oil pumps probably bring up oil on demand rather than them needing to be at a constant flow).

The alternative to all these could also be planted oil (rapeseed oil can apparently be used as a diesel replacement and olive oil was originally used for heating in most of Europe anyway - I think rapeseed oil is about £1.50/litre which is about 10p above what diesel got up to last time.

German politicians also confirmed a move in the immediate term towards coal and nuclear (I don't know why they'd mention the two together as one is much better).

It is not an easy task to unlink such a strategic asset. As you say, my take is that carbon, oil, extended nuclear centrals life may be the short terms solutions then giving way to liquefaction facilities (around 2yr to build) and contract for methane tankers, possibly new nuclear reactors, etc..

All this would need to be progressively passed to renewable and more distributed generation grids to meet CO2 targets on top of making energy supply strategically resilient to attacks.

Spain gets most of its gas from Argelia, even if the gas pipelines are cut, the methane tankers do the job quite well. Making gas supply more resilient for Europe may imply having more of these ships, which take a while to build and there are only two companies that hold the patents for the systems - hint hint .

A possible strategic alternative would be to increase the interconnection of the Spanish network to the north (France mostly). That is a politically sensible matter, but it would certainly allow Europe to have three means (tankers, south and north) of getting gas. Before anyone says it, this is much easier said than done commercially and politically, is just a possible strategy.

Maybe now's the time to finally move away from gas and oil in general. They're not eco-friendly, and reducing dependence on them has been a goal for a while. In the meantime, let's look at potential allies in this situation. Based on top-5 countries by natural gas reserves (https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/features/biggest-natural-gas-reserves-countries/), Iran is a good option, and the US has fair reserves itself. Also, the matter is not urgent  (https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/eu-ministers-brace-for-future-without-russian-energy/)because the winter's basically over, so it'll become more relevant for the next winter. As for oil, there's Saudi Arabia, China, and Canada (https://www.worldometers.info/oil/oil-production-by-country/). I think the Western world can pull this off, aiding one another and looking for alternative suppliers, as well as reducing general dependence on oil and gas.

As things stand now, maybe the EU will continue to do business with Russia when it comes to gas - if nothing has changed in such conditions (gas is still delivered), by next winter the whole situation will calm down, because this war can not last longer of several months. The EU has already opted for renewable energy sources in the long run, so that at some point in the relatively near future the whole gas and oil thing will be irrelevant.

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Iran is still under sanctions (if nothing has changed), and is there any gas pipeline that would bring gas to the EU? And when you mention the US, in that case the EU would have to build a number of LNG terminals and pay a much higher price for gas, which is certainly one of the options, but I'm not sure what EU bureaucrats think about it.

Until now, no one has been able to claim that they can replace Russia as a gas supplier in Europe, but the solutions that are given for the future if Russia really stops gas supply are using steam and coal.

The chances for that to happen are not so big, since it means to stop very long term contracts and pay damages.
The discussion over the Russian gas is a bit strange. Somehow I feel that neither of the parts (basically Russia and Germany) don't want that flow to stop.

But older coal and nuclear plants will make electricity again instead of gas, GPL is being transported on a big scale, and maybe, just maybe, the other producing countries can chip in, in time.
After all, it's a resource they'll sell for good money.
Yes, more pipelines need to be built, more nuclear power plants need to be also built, it's a long term thing... which should have been done long ago, really, to allow competition and free market.

Oh, but we can.
We used them for 50 years before replacing them with nuclear and gas, Germany alone not counting Norway has coal reserves for all of Europe for decades.
How about we do this, the rest of the world will try to mimic at least 10% of what we Europeans have done for green energy and then we talk?
We are banning everything left and right while others just dump tons of garbage directly into rivers, how about we find an equilibrium here and we won't be the only countries that pay inside prices for everything for saving the planet?



It's not that hard to continue operating most of those nuclear powerplants, they weren't decommissioned, most of them were just put on hold waiting for, guess what, money for that, as we as always pour money in everything wrong.
For coal powerplants, it's even easier, look at Riot and Mara how they bought a coal power plant and a smelter, both out of operation and they have got it up and running in under a year, for a country the size of Germany if it really wants it this will be a joke.



CO2 targets are crap, it's not CO2 that kills the planet there are other gases and heavy metals far more damaging than CO2, besides, CO2 capture works best in ways some poeple think is impossible. Trees get it from the air and release O2, all that carbon is stored in the tree when it decomposes it releases both co2 and methane, as that's what rotting is, the only thing you have to do to trap enormous amounts of carbon which is far easier than building up solar panels in a country that barely gets sun. One ha of forets contains around 160 tons of carbon, just burying those old trees trapping the carbon like in the Carboniferous and letting new trees grow would be far more efficient than any half-ass eco-green strategy.
Just as a head's up trapping all the wood in Canada will result in trapping more carbon that would turn via decay in CO2 than the entire world release from all its activities in 8 years.

And since energy is used on every single industrial process then we can be sure that inflation will hit every single sector of the economy impacting the population severely, however I find it difficult to believe Russia will do this on their own since they will be shooting themselves on the foot if they did it, will Europe do it? They could, but since such a thing will be political suicide then the chances are that they wont try such a measure against Russia.

The key aspects are mobilization and price. there are many alternatives of energy, but everything depend on how much time does it take to mobilize all of this things and cost. it may take four years or more  for countries to create relevant infrastructure, which won't be easy but necessary. exporters maybe Qatar, Africa and etc.

Nobody. Russia doesn't need to be replaced because gas doesn't need to be replaced. What we know as "electricity prices are high" or "oil prices went up" are short term problems and it is sad that people do not see it. Renewable energy doesn't require as much money as you imagine for sustaining it, the whole cost is at building it and after you did, then it is minor to keep it going. Whereas with stuff like gas and oil you keep paying top price for it all the time.

Meaning, if you pay 100x more right now, which is idiotic I know, then you suddenly start to pay 10% later on each year. That is what the whole world is going towards. Since every nation could use their version of it, then all nations could become energy independent in the long run for sure.

I don't agree to this.
Solar panels do need replacements now and then. Every time I go near wind turbines, some of them are under maintenance.
I was also told that in some cases blades had to be replaced and it's difficult to throw away the old ones (and that person told me that they cannot be recycled).
Also, neither wind nor sun are there always. And snow covers the panels, hail can damage them...
So it's not all nice like in the fairy tales.

The way the grid works needs backup for when the cheap electricity is not available. And the backup cannot just restart every second the clouds come or the wind stops blowing, hence it will pretty much run 24/7.
All in all your fairy tale is far from feasible. Sorry.

It will be a problem without a simple solution. For those countries that turned off their Nuclear Power Plants, should they turn them back on? For those countries that stopped using coal, should they reverse their policies on renewable energy, and the "Green Agenda"?

It's the ultimate form of irony - Europe cannot afford to cut Russian energy supplies off right now and it is one of the last sources of revenue left coming into Russia, so they will not even bring up the idea of cutting supplies right now. Europe will eventually wean itself off Russian gas at this rate, but places like Germany have been so foolish to cut off nuclear power which is a very useful tool for providing a baseline energy flow - as renewables can often have erratic supply and battery storage ability is a work in progress. I don't see either of these two sides jeopardising the flow of oil and gas in the short term.

America and other European countries have imposed sanctions on Russia trade and economy, so far the European Union has agreed to close access to imports and imports from
and to Russia, I think what they are doing now is not harming Russia at all and even seems like a boomerang for Europe, Russia is the main supplier of oil and gas to Europe, so if Europe banned Russia, wouldn't Europe be committing suicide?

this maybe the reason why putin is so adamant in invading ukraine because he has cards from his end. but for sure, some of these countries relying from russia are now looking for alternatives, because it can easily gets to worst. so they need to prepare for whatever scenario they will face after this terrible war.
we all hope that putin comes to his senses. but seems that it's not gonna happen from what we are witnessing in the past few days.
maybe, time to seriously look for renewable sources of energy. and not rely from gas.

The U.S. are looking at Iran for oil, but it's not clear to me how natural gas will be replaced. There's a lot of infrastructure considerations involved. I think most countries are just going to have to deal with the high costs and hope the energy supply from Russia isn't curtailed any further. They might even use it as an initiative for green energy but that strategy won't impact anything short term.

Today I heard the news that russia controlled the largest nuclear power plant in europe, this is making conditions even more difficult, gas supply will be an important issue and make other countries don't want to take risks, i believe because russia's economic position is very strong then Russia not doubt to invasion of ukraine.

Obviously the Russians must have thought things through before they invaded Ukraine,
even they are not afraid of the sanctions imposed by European countries,
This shows how superior Russia is and we don't know what the future will hold

Didn't the U.S. sanction Iran oil from being exported from that country? There were some Bitcoiners who said that it forced Iran to escape sanctions by using their own oil to power hashing farms to mine Bitcoin, and sell them. Russia might start doing it. Haha.

That is so screwed. So now world will be fighting for the gas supply hnn? And we did not think a bit before pressing the button against Russia. Lolz. Well, I am pretty sure the whole thing is just little part of big picture. NATO and USA might have thought something. They will surely choose alternate like Africa, although its stated that African project was stopped because of Putin's word. Well, if he can bribe then surely USA and NATO can go beyond this to work the math. Imagine stopping the gas supply will halt the major operations throughout the world and it would be worst decision not to put-forth exact agenda for the African sources.

Coal, Idk, the requirement of the world has increased a lot. We not only talking about energy product but also fuel for the cars, ships, airlines and much more. Without proper sources whole nations can collapse.

Now is the crucial moment to show if your theories make any sense, because Russia is now in a situation where it will have more than enough resources to mine Bitcoin, and sanctions have no effect on them if we know they can import mining devices from China. But I still think that the earnings and all the other benefits of such an operation are quite insufficient for the situation in which that country finds itself.

Besides, do we want this to happen at all, given what is happening in Ukraine? I can already see the headlines screaming from all the front pages "Putin uses Bitcoin to avoid sanctions". Do I even have to say what would happen next?

the use of bitcoin would probably be exempt from worldwide sanctions, given that there are no laws governing it. China does seem to be on the side of Russia, even though there has been no official statement so far, because I think China will only profit for their economy without any direct involvement. although not significant, I think the tension between Russia and Ukraine has an impact on the Chinese economy as well

We have to remember that Russia needs to be careful about the situation as well. They might be way too late about it too. Europe will remember this and either they will get the gas from Russia or not get it, I am 100% sure that we are going to see Europe looking for alternatives for sure.

France with Nuclear plants already, that's given but I am going to assume that in 10 years or so Russia will not even need sanctions to not be able to sell gas, nobody will need it anymore thanks to renewable energy sources. Which is why threatening with energy sources is not a great way to get out of this situation for Russia, that makes his customers look for alternatives.

It does make sense because oil can generate electricity and this should run the miners. Iran right there have found a way on how to keep up with the sanctions so chances are, Russia will do the same thing. They are lucky that china is their ally because china almost have the items that they need for them to keep going.

The earnings might look small but that is better than nothing at all. At least that can still help them while waiting for the sanctions to end. Some don't want this for some reasons but I think the majority of bitcoiners like it as this can somehow remove the issue about the btc mining and mining would be more legal now.

In theory, it could work, in practice...nope!

First, there are no Asics on the market which Russia could simply buy, it needs to wait as long-term clients of Bitmain have deliveries scheduled till Q2 2023.
Second, although Bitmain is Chinese, the chips are made by TSMC which has already ceased exports to Russia and who had no trouble breaking contracts with Huawei, and we can't compare that Chinese government monster company with Bitmain

Not counting anymore since there will be a lot of numbers, Russia would have not only to outbid westerners but to also bribe Bimtain for that and to convince them it's better to risk year-long contracts with people whose pockets are full of dollars for some rubles, cause where is Russia going to find those dollars to pay for the gear?
And even if somehow they miraculously manage to get it, they will still have to compete with US farms for the pie.
Since Riot and Mara manage 2-3 cents per kWh, even if Russia would somehow generate zero costs energy, the difference at these prices right not is just an extra 2$ on the revenue of 18$ for a 10k piece of gear, which would mean even subsidized they will recover their investment in about 500 days which..is not that tempting considering there is an extra 50exa hash or at least 25% in difficulty rise projected to be delivered by the middle of the year.

But poeple like to believe in unicorn farts, as some myths say they smell of candy.  ;)

You do know that you could have excess energy, right? I mean let’s assume you need 100, you could build systems for 200 if you want, or 500. Sure it would cost a lot and it will take years, probably decades but that is where we will end up with. Snow also helps the solar panels as well; it allows to attract a bit more sun when it hits. All in all there are plenty of possibilities, wind turbines when wind is there, solar panels when sun is out, hydro when you have running water, all of these could be used at any moment 12 months all around. It is not easy, of course it’s not, there is no one disputing that. But, we are talking about the future not today.

Obviously, nobody could do it today, this is something that will take one or two decades. But "eventually" it will happen. Even if not for anything else, it will happen for preventing climate change (which we are already too late for).

In the short term there will be big problems in natural gas supply to Europe. In the medium to long term my bet for gas would be on Africa. They have a lot of untapped supply, but building infrastructure would take some time. Regarding oil it would either be Iran or Africa in my view. Again Africa has a lot of untapped oil reserves.

In this regards of looking for substitute for Russian gas, the NATO countries have seen the need to look into that challenge of gas. Because of the need for the gas from Russia that EU countries benefit from, they started looking up alternative because the current situation of war led them to that purpose. Well they have option in either African or the Asian countries but they have to be prepared for providing infrastructure because these continent are far unlike Russia that is just a neighborhood.

Yes, I agree that the NATO alliance will have more incentive to build oil and gas plant facilities, currently Russia is exporting more than 50% of this industry.  They do not want to depend on the high price of US liquefied gas and Russia's war problem, what will be the problem.  I heard that Germany is a country that has the ability to dramatically increase oil and gas production to supply the west.

It is a fact that some of the European countries rely on Russian oil especially Germany and the only country that can replace that is the US, but the Biden administration is not even willing to tap into that natural resources and they are asking other countries to fill that shoes and that is not going to happen. So if Russia decides to stop giving away their natural resources then some of the European countries will be in trouble and hence they need to support them indirectly.

Even they really start building infrastructure it will take a lot of time. Africa is a long way from EU and securities will be main issue if they wants to connect a pipe line with EU. Many Africans country has insurgents that is hostile towards their govt. Also by this time price of gas in EU will be sky high and many factories will be closed due to lack of gas. Putting sanction on Russia not only damage Russia but also EU and USA.

That's exactly the befits for some countries after Russia started the war if you look deeply, some countries like Arabia and other middle east countries got a lot of oil and increasing the price of oil was very good news for them because they can now sell oil and gas for better price also many countries now demand oil from them and they can have more powers on economic negotiations because a big oil supplier like Russia is now out of the game and this gives these countries a good chance.

Trans-Saharan (Nigeria- Mediterranean Sea) gas pipeline 4,128 km
Yamal–Europe pipeline  4,107 km
Power of Siberia 3,968 km

Check the map, northern Africa is closer to some countries in Europe than Moscow is, and the Russian gas fields are far further away.


And all those factories that create the 1,745 billion, that's 1.7 trillion or more than the entire economy of Russia, what is the rest of the world going to do without them?  If Europe can't afford to pay double for the 50 billion of gas it gets, let's see the rest of the world come with 3.4 trillion instead  ;)

This is true, it will "eventually" reach there for sure. However, what will Europe do meanwhile? I mean without any Russian help, let's assume you turn Russia into Iran and from now on there won't be any European nation or even a single business working with Russia, that means it is going to be difficult for Europe to find that energy for the time being.

It is not about what will happen "eventually", that is understandable and a good future plan, but we are talking about what to do until that moment. I believe that they could still get some through some other nations, and they could increase the amount they are spending to get some more energy methods, like they just gave 500 million euro to Ukraine as help, spend that on wind turbines and you could probably buy like 550 of them wholesale, or even got it made and get like 700 or so. That would be enough to cover so much of the difference. So they need to make it quicker and closer.

I believe if they are smart, they have to. They actually have no choice but to use Bitcoin as one of the regulatory work-arounds to escape sanctions.


It's good and it's bad. It's good because it proves Bitcoin's thesis in practice, but out of that good, it's bad because it gives them the power to work around sanctions. But should Bitcoin be centralized, and have a kill-switch?

Renewable energy is a long term solution to this current challenge about replacement of gas supply from Russia and with the current situation, most countries will start looking into it, but I think what OP is asking is the immediate short term solution if Russia decides to cut the gas supply now. Countries will definitely suffer and will need an alternate supply even if they are to look into projects for renewable energy, because switching to renewable energy just immediately may not be able to carter for the energy demands and needs of the entire country.

Sanctions against Russia have actually made Europe suffer, in fact gas is a vital factor needed by Europe all this time and if Europe does not get alternative gas supplies from other countries, of course, soon we will see the European continent will be dark because gas is the main energy on the European continent, currently the increase in gas prices in Europe has almost reached 114% and this is the highest increase in recent years, Europe decision to exclude Russia from SWIFT is actually a boomerang for European countries today.

Indeed, all countries know that Russia is the largest country that supplies gas to Europe, there are at least four other countries that continue to distribute gas to Europe.
You can see below.
From where do we import energy? (https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/infographs/energy/bloc-2c.html)
https://zizihub.com/0bde39.jpg

Although the percentage is much different from Russia, Europe can still enjoy gas from other countries, apart from Russia, of course Europe must limit gas users in each region to meet the existing supply.

Negative effect if russia no longer sends gas to europe, definitely especially for big companies that need a lot of gas, that's the war of all parties, feel the loss.

Without a doubt all of those that are dependent on the resources of Russia and that disagree with their actions will try to find alternatives and stop depending on Russia for their supply of gas, and this is nothing new, during the cold war there were many confrontations among the US and the USSR, however what brought the USSR down was its weak economy and the low prices of oil around the world at the time, so it is likely the US will try to use the same strategy to bring Putin down.

Finding an immediate replacement is really tough. Based on the oil production among the European countries, there is none with the production ability of Russia. Right now Arabian Countries can take the place of Russia. In specific countries like Saudi Arabia, Iraq, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, etc will make use of the situation making their country super rich increasing the oil price

Their is no fixed statement was made by European nation.Most of the country was depends on Russia for an Gas Supply.Country like India had made agreement with Russia for the supply of Gas from Russia under earth.So we had only option to hold for the End of War.Even depend on Gas Supply many nations including EU had put an economic sanction on the Russia. With this Russia can't cut the supply and reduce their economic supply into nation.

Speaking with replacing or alternative supplies then theres just no way.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/08/analysts-say-alternative-supplies-wouldnt-be-able-to-fully-replace-russian-oil.html

Somehow EU can wean itself off on next 6 months.
https://fortune.com/2022/03/08/eu-russian-gas-supply-wean-block-ban-iea/

So it would be still ample time?

Greta loses the fight if they all open their coal power plant. Biden had a deal with Iran I guess that will make up the Russian oil and gas. Saudi seems to be hostile to US these days after Biden criticized them. I doubt it will be as cheap as Russian gas but it will make the business run somehow. What is to be speculated recently was the EV cars to be valuable but still, it needs energy. And energy comes from gas still despite having batteries.


Europe will also face the consequences of the ban. I already felt the price of gas just today I bought $10 worth of gas its just 5.25 liters. Back in 2019 I could have 11 liters.

Do people really listen to her? She talks, but is she, and people like her, willing to take the economic sacrifices to truly save the environment?


The U.S. sanctioned Iran, and will now talk to Iran? I believe Iran will be in control, and wait until gas prices in the U.S. is more than $15 per gallon. 8)

Saudi Arabia can also be next to replace Russia in supply of gas. Saudi Arabia is one of the top.oil and gas producing countries, apart Saudi Arabia their some africa countries that are rich in gas that can also be a better option to the European countries.  If Russia stops the supply of gas to the European countries, Russia will also be affected too, I think it will affect Russia more. The European countries can replace Russia from gas supply, and has nothing to lose about it.

It can be hard at first because the pressure is still there, they need to act and find an immediate alternative so that the production continues. They are also worried because available countries might not have enough supply but I think later on they can calm down and think of a more effective way how to combat the issue.

It's not that other countries are using the situation to get an advantage but they are also helpful, it's not bad to increase the prices since the demand is high and why would Africa be insecure? And if they have a lack of infrastructure, they can always ask for help to solve this issue it in exchange for the oil/gas.

I don't know if anyone can supply the vast amount Europe is buying from Russia but I suppose they can build new pipelines towards some Gulf States. China is doing the same to avoid heavily relying on shipping so it makes sense for Europe to do the same.

Thing is, that's unlikely to be completed soon, those can take years to set up. In the meantime they might have to fire up some coal. What I'm seeing is that they could start relying more on nuclear plants. I don't think many Western European countries are lucky enough like Norway to get their energy from geothermal.

Norway has zero geothermal power plants, and there are zero actual plans on building anything other than small-scale local projects, the ground below Norway is simply not suitable for it. Besides Norway has a ton of gas and oil, thereby are the last ones to be affected by this.


Everyone looks at this from the wrong side ignoring one major fact.

If Europe stops buying Russian oil, will Russia stop selling oil altogether? No, of course not.
It will sell oil to other countries that don't sanction it at a discount from the current providers while the countries that sold previously now have to look for another client, which will be Europe.

For example, China imports 2 million barrels from Russia, 2 from Saudi Arabia, and 1,5 each from Angola and Iraq.
If China would import 5 more million from Russia it would have no need for Saudi Arabia, Angola, and Iraq, so what are those countries going to sell their oil to?

Besides, all Europe has to do is pay 10$ extra for a barrel of oil then other countries, let's see who can afford to pay more, India or the EU.

You don't need that much natural gas. My parents and grandparents barely ever used gas at the house. We became more dependent on it because Russia was selling cheap and we took it for granted.
In the 70s and 80s many homes (especially in the South and south-east of Europe) relied on electricity and wood/coal for heating. Each home either had a coal/wood kitchen oven used for heating and cooking and this was supplied by an electric water boiler and an electric oven for use during warm months, when you didn't need to heat the house.

I'm not saying we have to completely resign from gas, but cutting the supply by half wouldn't be a problem in many regions of the EU. If the governments managed to divert the money spent on buying gas from Russia into building power plants and decreasing the cost of energy, people would start to switch to electric heating by themselves because it's safer, cleaner, easier to install and manage. Gas furnaces need to be inspected and cleaned every year. You don't have to do that with electric heaters.

Trade is a two way deal, if Russia won't sell natural gas to Europe where will it sell all the Natural gas that it has? It'll be a great loss on its foreign exchange reserves, chances are once things return to normal the sanctions will be taken back by the West and Russia too will restart the supply of gas but just in case it doesn't. This will be a great opportunity for the African countries to develop it's infrastructure, they will even get a lot of support from the west and can easily become a the new natural gas supplier of the world pretty easily.

Saudis had a cap in place because of Russia long time ago, it has been like 5 years if I am not wrong. All west needs to do right now is remove that cap and the price of oil will crash. Saudis do not even take all the oil out right now, they have so much oil and they only take out a certain amount each year to prolong the end of it, in 40 years or so there will be no more oil left with this pace, but they already made so much money that even with zero oil, they still own many companies, big ones, all around the world so they will be fine.

Double the outtake right now if you can and Saudis will cover all the oil need from the west right away in a single year without a problem.

Saudis are already producing around 11 million barrels of oil per day and their spare capacity is around 1.5 million barrels only. On top of that, some of their major oil fields are already past peak production stage and during the last two decades no significant oil fields have been newly discovered in Saudi Arabia. The Russian production is also around 11 million barrels per day, and out of that they export around 6 million barrels. On top of that another 2 million barrels of refinery products such as diesel and gasoline is also exported. If these exports are taken out, then the price of crude may shoot up to $300 per barrel and countries may resort to rationing of gasoline.

I believe if the U.S. was given no choice it would start using more oil from its stockpile for emergency use. The U.S. has the largest stockpile of oil in the world. Plus if truly pushed, the U.S. can also drill oil from within its country, especially in Alaska.

I have also thought of that, if Russia is not selling the gases to other European countries, then what exactly are they going to be doing with it? It’s going to be a big loss for them and I don’t think this is something they would like to do.

Although they will still have to do it cause none of these other countries are ready now to start buying anything from them, they have been sanctioned by so many countries. Except China I think (though we are talking about Europe here). Selling gas to other countries is part of Russia’s major source of income, and if they should stop selling to other countries, it would affect their economy which has already been dwindling.

There are so many countries around the world that are producing gas, the thing with Russia and Europe is that Europe has already established a business partnership with Russia, and this disconnection might affect them for a short while. But, I don’t think this is much of a problem, because before all these countries have sanctioned Russia they must have thought about this. And they are very much aware that they have so many other options that are available to them.

Many countries in Africa can supply them with gas, such as Nigeria, and even in Asia such as Iran, and so many other countries. But I think one thing that most of those countries may be lacking is infrastructures, but with time and if there is demand for it, they would start to build up.

I think a minority of people do in fact listen to her, however their idealism goes down the drain the moment they need to pay the higher energy costs that following someone like her will generate, so as soon as people are confronted with the reality they will have to pay way more for their energy and they have to decide whether to reduce their energy consumption, pay more for the energy or select an energy source which is not as friendly to the environment most people will select the third option without even thinking about it.

Africa and Middle East is the next quick destination, but the cost of movement and safety on the sea is another thing to handle. I hope they are about to quickly resolve this and bring a lasting peace.

Even with your calculation if 6 million is sold by Russia, and if Saudis are getting 1.5 million extra, that will drop the needed to 4.5 million. If given the rights to do more (they were told to slow down) they could do at least another 1.5 million barrels more in the short term and this was already the plan all along.

Plus, we are talking about a lot more places all around the world that people saw "unworthy" right now, especially in alakas and other places, which could yield another 1-2 million barrels depending on how well it is. Combine these all together and we are getting less threats from Russia. Not impossible, not easy but not impossible. The prices are dropping right now as you can see, it was a reactionary pricing, and will be around under 90 very soon.

It's also so ironic that the same people who listen to her are also be the people who might not want to make the sacrifice to save the environment.

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OR as illustrated by that MEME, the people who might have selective viewpoints on where and where not to drill oil for example. I believe we should merely accept some ironies of life, to not be bothered by toxic people.

There is something that not many people know, but the gas in Venezuela is burned because it does not have the capacity to take advantage of it, so what they have to resort to is that, I understand that there are gas pipelines that reach Cuba, and one of the options is that take advantage of the infrastructure that exists in Africa and not rule out the option of gas from Venezuela, also it does not sound so far-fetched because they will already have Venezuelan oil in the USA, so perhaps the gas is more expensive but I think those are the most viable options, another option is from Arabia, but I don't know how trade relations with them are, but until now I think it's not a very good decision to drown Russia so much when it depends a lot on them and that can trigger a war for the resources that are needed , currently the fight may be for Gas or oil, but tomorrow it will be for water....

Because it's all just propaganda. Greta is just a product of propaganda. Who would risk the country's economy and stop drilling oil when the government has to make money. They thought the world will follow if they ask everyone to use renewable energy only.  That's too good to dream of.

This is easy to solve and the war could even be avoided. But because it already has spread, I guess we're all in this deep situation. I don't think Venezuela or Iran or other oil producer countries will come to the rescue when all of them were also sanctioned before. They're all going to ask for their biggest deal.

Remove all sanctions forced on oil producing countries? Hahaha. Or simply, a group of countries secretly stop following U.S. sanctions, probably a country like El Salvador, and make secret deals with Iran/Venezuela, and use a censorship-resistant protocol as a medium for settlement of payments? This will weaken the U.S. Dollar, and weaken political strongholds made through the U.S. Dollar. 8)

With the rise of BTC, cryptocurrencies, and the Digital Yuan, USD is already weakened. Who knows that CBDC coins like that digital yuan may even be killed by cryptocurrencies soon.

What I was actaully thinking is that peace talks, Putin seems to have been talking on television. I'm pretty sure that guy can decide good of what else can be done if they could just agree on security. Make a new deal if possible. What difference does it have when the US can make deals with Maduro or Ebrahim Raisi for gas and oil?

Russia is a country with large and strongest gas reserves in Europe, in fact many Russian gas companies control gas and oil around the world, because of this power, Russia is not afraid of sanctions from Europe and the USA because they also have great power, namely gas reserves. which they could stop at any time and that would be a serious problem for Europe.

Russia is the world's largest gas seller. If it does not sell gas to Europe, then for Russia it will not be a big problem. it will be a big disaster for the European countries. because only Russia can supply high quality gas at an affordable price. that's what we need to think about first.

Almost too late for that because Putin seem to have his own world too which he was sanctioning those countries as well. Come to think of it, while the world sanctions his country he also sanctions the world. The gas pipelines becomes useless after Germany funded its construction. Damn you, Vlad they are dying there and they can't even step outside thier houses because the snow is just too thick.

EU can get from Iran and Saudi Arabia, it's going to be costly though and I don't think any importers today will price thier gas/oil low the fact that the market price shoots up.  Deisel is now higher than the gas.

As European countries seek to reduce dependence on Russian gas, Africa is indeed a potential replacement. Recently Italy and Angola signed an energy co-operation agreement which seeks to increase the export of Angolan gas and reduce the dependence of the European country on the Russian gas supply.

Four days earlier, Italy's Prime Minister Mario Draghi signed an agreement with Algeria to buy more of its gas in a further sign of Italy's attempts to reduce dependence on Russia. Africa might be the real alternative.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-africa-60803132?

Ukraine crisis, putting Europe's gas supply from Russia at risk, African countries propose to fill the EU's gap in gas supply from Russia, Nigeria is ready to significantly increase gas supply to Europe reducing its current dependence on Russian energy.

It will still be Russia. A positive scenario when they have a common voice. That's what I used to think:)
But it seems that things are also going in reverse as the sides continue to impose sanctions on each other. Some countries in the west have also offered some other solutions, such as using other fuels or buying fuel from other places like Russia, but that is still an idea that I believe will suffer if there is no peaceful solution.

As of now no country has got the oil supply capability as Russia. Probably more talks with different countries were going on, particularly the talks were with the middle east countries. Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates weren't able to provide the requested supply. Qatar is the only government that heard about the need from Germany, but they doesn't have the LNG terminals. Right now Germany is fast tracking the construction of LNG terminals, and it takes atleast few years to function. The better option is to find an alternate plan through solar energy or other forms of energy.

Honestly, with the current situation no one will be able to replace Russian gas supplies to Europe. If any, then Europe would not have to depend on Russia for a long time without any alternative. And when the war broke out the situation became tenser and tenser, Europe rushed to find new suppliers in vain. That true Saudi Arabia, Venezuela ... can supply oil and gas to Europe but building the infrastructure will take years and all is just a plan and will only take place in a few years.

Gas is Russia's mainstay and strength to pressure Europe, many European countries are very dependent on Russian gas, so they can't do anything when Russia invades Ukraine, and it's difficult to find gas supplies because to build gas infrastructure it takes a very large cost and takes a long time. .

Oil trade between countries already has an agreement, so it is currently difficult to replace oil and gas originating from Russia.  Taking quotas from other countries may be an option that European countries and the US can take so that they don't experience a shortage of oil and gas.  from the news i read, russia makes billions of dollars from oil and gas transactions despite being under western sanctions.

To build a gas network certainly requires a long time and time, especially now that most European countries are gas and Russian importers become the largest gas supplier so that when Russia invasion of Ukraine, Europe cannot do much, and the biggest opportunity to find a replacement from Russia is from Africa and Arab countries.

Taking oil reserves from Africa will make the oil supply there unstable, this is tantamount to taking away the rights of African citizens. One of the best ways imo to replace Russia's gas and oil supply is to look for new oil mines that have the same yield as Russia or buy oil and gas in a country that is a friend of Russia.

I don't think anyone can. Europe is doomed imo. They'll probably try to get their gas from USA by ships and from other smaller ME countries but like you said it is not going to be enough. Also the US has its own problems and they'll probably stop giving gas/oil to Europe at some point because the prices are also climbing up there.

I think, The results are clear after the meeting between the EU and OPEC.  It is almost impossible to find an alternative source of 7 million barrels of oil per day for the EU, which is why the oil embargo sanctions from Russia have not been applied.  The fact that OPEC only accepts to increase production to about 400,000 bpd would be too modest.  Meanwhile, the most promising ones are the UAE and Saudi Arabia, which claim to have no more supply to the market.  The consequences of geopolitics continue to wreak havoc on a world economy

It's very complicated one.Russia is one of the best and huge holding gas capacity. OPEC may be the other oppurnuity for the Europe to get away from the gas dependence.In a meanwhile of war, Europe can use od OPEC. Seems to be war will be end before the October. Because Russia can't handle this war during the winter. This is good opportunity for the OPEC to earn huge in short period.

Or as much as possible, Russia should stop this war but you have a point that they may not handle this during winter. That would be a killing to their soldiers themselves. Anyway, why not look for alternative sources of energy within the region rather than looking for alternative gas supplies? If no one can supply them, then, maybe it is high time to exhaust their energy potential via renewable sources.

No way , renewable energy just a dream .. everybody knows about it. despite its huge advantages ... there is too much challenges to bear , corporate won't get the money that they wanted , it's surely not as profitable as the current energy businesses , moreover the political pressure are the most influential one , so yeah big no , never be an option to be a solution.

russia try to prove that they can live with the west sanctions so do with the west. mad world.

Renewable energy is no more a dream. This might take time, but for sure this is going to be the future of energy. Already we've got transition happening in the automotive industry. This will slowly make changes in different industrial sectors. Today saw about Ships that are functioning completely on renewable energy. When that is possible, surely the dream will come true.

In such a short time it is impossible to give up Russian oil and gas, and for this it is necessary to survive more than one winter. Due to Russia's geographic location to Europe, it is very stupid to refuse raw materials, especially since Russia announces the continuation of the supply of its products to Europe. The desire to stop trading with Russia is a stab in the foot.

I am not so sure about that. I mean yes, it is impossible to do it all at once, but impossible ever? I do not think so. I am 100% certain that Europe could find a way to go towards energy self sufficiency if they wanted to. Yes, it would take a lot of money and maybe like a decade to reach there but they just spent needed money because of pandemic.

I mean they have been talking about how much it would cost to do it and postponed it and it happened anyway, pandemic forced their hands and they did spend more than needed. This resulted with the world being on fire and on top of that Russia happened. They could just say "we can't take that risk again" and do it.

And why should the EU look for a replacement for Russian gas and oil? Not so soon Russia will lose the military campaign, and the weight of the sanctions will break the back of the economy. Internal tensions will break the internal structure, as it has already been, the power of Putin's fascists will be destroyed. Russia will find itself in a terrible state - a lost war, a ruined economy, sanctions, reparations obligations, and not only to Ukraine. You have to pay, you can’t get anywhere - what to do? And here is the way out - all oil and gas goes to the EU market, at a price adopted by a special commission. For example, offset goes at a price of 45 dollars per barrel.

And all the funds go to a special account, from where annually, for example, reparations payments will be paid to Ukraine, for example, 1 trillion dollars a year, for 50 years. And in 50 years, an animal state, the remaining Russians, who by the way will be forbidden to leave the territory of Russia, will have their brains cleaned from imperial "cockroaches", from fascism, from the desire to kill neighbors, and other "Russianisms". And the EU does not need to look for new suppliers of gas and oil. The only thing left for the EU to do is to help Ukraine strangle the rashist nits :)

At the point, no country can replace Russia, but surely overtime they can surely be replaced.
In the world 40  percent of gas supplies are from Russia!
Africans are another big names when it comes too oil and gas but how equipped are they ? Crappy as they can't keep up without good privatization of international bodies or non governmental organizations.
A switch to more technologies can lessen the want of gas and Russia energy.

It is necessary to learn to do without gas. There are many options for this. Europe must switch to subsistence farming and the exchange of products. You can heat your house with firewood and give up factories. By doing this, you will improve the environment and be healthy. I think life itself pushes people to such a choice. You can stop washing your body and brush your teeth. Just don't use gas from Russia ;)

You simply don't know that burning of firewood itself is not good for the environment and the ozone, it causes different things that will lead to depletion so that is never a good suggestion because the effect against the earth is capable of causing harm than good to the society. No matter what happen the gas supply issue will be appropriately taken care of.

This is a cartoon from the distant 80s of the last century. I hope the point is clear. But I am sure that not everyone understands that the Russian gas and oil "dependence" of Europe did not arise from scratch. This is not only a project of stable filling the budget of the country of the world terrorist with money. This is a WEAPON, this is an INFLUENCE mechanism! It is not for nothing that so many politicians and parties in the EU were bought by the Kremlin so that gas and oil from Russia become critical for the economy and infrastructure of the largest European countries. And Russia has already shown many times that the gas valve is a whip for obedient and bought EU politicians. Russia openly says "do what we tell you, or we will leave your country without heating in winter! Or we will stop the industry!". And today the EU has to decide - to remain a submissive slave of Russia, or to free itself and become energy independent!? Yes, the replacement of supplies will not be very easy, but it's like an operation in the presence of a life-threatening disease of the patient - it must be done, otherwise the "disease" will only progress!

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Indeed it is an alternative but on the other hand burning firewood can indeed have a negative impact, especially for the environment,
especially if the use of firewood burning is carried out en masse and continuously,
What is clear is that you need to wait for the right solution

Russia supplies gas in Europe about 40% and if Russia stops supplying gas to certain countries, the gas price in that country will certainly increase dramatically. With such large gas reserves, it seems that currently there is no country that can replace Russia. maybe in the near future some countries will have to pay for gas from russia in russian currency (ruble) because it is russia's retaliation against countries that impose economic sanctions on russia.

When European countries planned to stop Russia's attack on Ukraine, it turned out to be difficult, the number of European countries that depended heavily on Russian gas caused differences of opinion in Europe, of course Europe knew that if it was too aggressive against Russia, the first thing to do was the gas supply would stop and there will be a lot of loss to be experienced.

We do not really "need" gas, consider what we are using gas for an what it can't be replaced with? I mean if you are going to tell me just for heating, then we can heat ourselves using electricity which could be coming from renewable energy, solved the biggest one. Can you name me one thing in all of the world that gas is required and there is no alternative at all?

It's obvious that it is important, but if you are forced to find an alternative, which many nations are right now, then we could find alternatives that will make Russia a mute point. All the small "must" stuff could be used with gas coming from some other nation and Russia will starve in that case and repent.

This could be over soon as well, we are missing that out. I mean Russia needs money for their gas, if they can't sell gas to Europe then they will have to sell to other nations and let's be honest they would not be able to pay as much as Europe does, only china could and they would only do that to gain power over Russia in that partnership.

So, I am sure that Russia wants to go back to old days and sell gas to Europe at premium levels for whatever currency they can get without any sanctions or trouble. Europe is living in one of the most expensive periods because of this issue as well, high inflation and all so I am guessing that both parties want this to be gone already.

You are right and at the same time you are mistaken, I will explain why. Gazprom supplies gas to domestic consumers in Russia at a price of about $60 per thousand cubic meters, and this is not a subsidized price, but rather a benchmark for the lower limit of Gazprom's profitability. For Belarus, gas costs about x2 of the domestic price, for China, gas costs about x3 of the domestic price, for Europe last year, gas cost about x4 of the domestic price. Now look at the current spot price level at the hub in the Netherlands, which is x15 or higher from the domestic price. This is the price that Europe will pay and cry when buying gas from Gazprom, then cry again and pay again.

What we need to realize is that, Europe doesn't need to take ALL gas needs from some other nation, just drop the Russian one low enough to hurt their finances and that will be enough. Think about it, between the LNG they are getting, and the each passing year finding alternative sources, we are talking about finding a way to make it 50% lesser than what it is today, but a few years down the line and not today.

This means when that happens Russia would be making 50% less from gas and that is a big hit on their economy. When their economy is struck, they will not be living a happy life killing innocent people, they will be forced to find a solution for their economy as well.

There will be alternatives but it will not happen that fast. It will be very costly too. There will be a lot of discussions to environmentalists and various stakeholders. There's geopolitical issues too that need resolutions like Algerian gas going Europe but most likely needs to pass thru Morocco.

The fact that Germany will be spending billions of dollars to fast-track their LNG terminals means it needs to be utilized for many years to come to cover its cost. I wonder what will be the future of Russia once Europe becomes free from its gas. More wars? Maybe more Russian aggression in order to salvage favorable economic deals? And NATO can freely move against Russia too.   

1. China. This is the most energy-deficient country in the world, China made its impressive economic breakthrough on cheap coal, the reserves of which are now severely depleted. China needs a lot of energy, much more than Germany, and Russia has a surplus. In January 2022, an agreement was reached on the construction of the Power of Siberia 2 gas pipeline for 50 billion cubic meters per year (like Nord Stream 2). Also, LNG terminals have been actively built in the Far East for several years, with a focus on the Southeast Asian market. The Power of Siberia gas pipeline with a capacity of 38 billion cubic meters per year has been in operation since 2019.

2. Domestic market. For many years, Gazprom has been export-oriented, often to the detriment of domestic consumers. Russia is a huge country with a harsh climate and there is still great potential for gasification of private households. Recently, one of the branches of Nord Stream 2 was reoriented from Europe to gasification of the North-West of Russia (Karelia, etc).

Do not worry about Russia, it is much easier to deal with excess energy than with energy shortages. Europe's withdrawal from Russian gas would be a disaster for Russia in 2014, but not in 2022 - Russia has done a lot to diversify during this time. But what Europe has been doing all this time is not entirely clear to me.

In this case I think it really benefits Russia and European countries can't just attack Russia.
looks like it's one of Russia's strategies and it's really effective,
regardless of what it is of course we all hope the war can end soon for the sake of humanity

I don't see the coal plants opening just for that purpose.

Also I doubt that Russia would actually cut off gas exports unless there was a dramatic escalation in the war.

I think you you analyzed the whole picture yet. The hypocritic media is showing as Russia is pushed toward wall but that's not the truth.
As the USA building grand allies forces, Russia was doing the same for last few decade. So they don' have to worry about losing any kind of contacts from Europe side at all.
Also the major allice of Russia have plenty of demand for both oil and gas.
So don't be delusional that Russia is suffering anything major. The have to take different methods to apply pressure on Russia to withdraw.

a few days ago, the Hungarian and Slovak governments stated the above...

in fact, Europe has lived for years with Russian oil and gas so finding a replacement will take a lot of time and a lot of money. Russia's superiority in its oil and gas cannot be denied, the surrounding countries are already dependent on it so it is almost impossible to find a substitute for Russian oil and gas in the near future.

Russia unleashed a big war in Ukraine and began to blackmail the entire civilized world with oil and gas supplies, invasion of other European states and even nuclear weapons. The world has finally realized that appeasing the aggressor is not an option, and therefore united with Ukraine in order to defeat Russia militarily and economically. Yes, Europe is having a hard time right now. Europe has decided to abandon Russian oil and gas, but at the same time their traditional supply chains are being violated, and the price of them is temporarily increasing. But in the future, Russia will definitely lose. And taking into account the fact that the world is gradually switching to alternative energy sources, this will be a disaster for Russia.

Yes, both countries are among the most dependent on Russian gas in Europe. But it does not have to last several years. Germany, for example, has reduced its gas dependence on Russia from 25% to 12% within a few months, with the goal of halving it again by winter.

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Germany has been purchasing super expensive LNG from Qatar and the United States and that is the reason why the share from Russia went down. But right now the demand is down, since it is summer season. The scenario won't be the same after 4-5 months. The underground gas storages are at all time low and in case Russia doesn't send gas to Germany, then half of the population will freeze to death by the end of this year. And trust me, Germany doesn't have enough LNG terminals to import the required amount of gas through tankers.

If we know these stats then defiantly German government must also be well aware of this fact that cutting trade of gas from Russia is just like a suicide. Between what the status of war now? Is Russia struck there or he is there now just to negotiate with west on his own terms. This war is not limited to Ukarine, as the whole world is feeling its financial impact now.

There are several nuances here.
1. 40% is the volume that allows both industry and the residential sector (main consumers) to use gas "on a grand scale, without really thinking about saving. This is not the minimum required amount of gas, but with a good margin.
2. In the EU, thanks to the "efforts" of the Kremlin prostitutes, nuclear power plants were stopped, the electricity of which provided both industrial enterprises and heat in houses (yes, you can heat up not only with gas!).
3. There is a group of people in the EU who have a direct personal interest in gas supplies from Russia. No, they are not worried about providing European industry with gas, they are afraid of losing "bonuses" from the Kremlin, for lobbying sales of Russian gas.
4. As a result - The return of the nuclear power plant to operation, as well as the optimization of gas consumption, can significantly reduce gas consumption. Most likely it will not be the same 40%, but it will be a significant value - perhaps 20-30%. And this means that getting rid of dependence on bloody gas and oil will be easier than a gloomy picture is now being drawn.

1. 40% is the volume that allows German heavy industry to maintain it's output. If you reduce it to 35%, then some of the industries may need to shut down. And I am not sure about "grand scale". Even now natural gas has become so expensive that people are trying to use it as little as they can.

2. The ones that closed down nuclear power plants were from the Green Party. And anyone who is knowledgeable in the politics of Germany would understand that the Green Party is the most anti-Russian political force in Germany.

3. The same can be said about Qatar, Saudi.etc. Lobbying is not just restricted to Russia.

4. Try suggesting gas and electricity rationing to the citizens of European Union. Let's see how they react.

To be precise, in Germany, the number of terminals for receiving liquefied natural gas is now zero. Currently, four terminals are being urgently built, the first should be commissioned at the end of 2022 or at the beginning of 2023.

I doubt there is somebody that can replace.
Russia is the main supplier of Gas worldwide and with what's happening, it seems that the price of oil will be higher that the usual. Africa doesn't have a lot of infrastructures only so maybe some countries might help them have some of it just to produce more gas but that isn't easy though.

I think the best solution for Europe is to find an alternative solution to it because right now, it seems that the Russia-Ukraine war will still go for months and it is affecting not only them but the whole world. I think Russia knows this already from the start that is why they aren't afraid to have a war against other countries like Ukraine. They know that sanctions will be imposed and that sanctions that imposed to them will have a negative to effect to the countries who imposed it.

Renewable energy should just be a better alternative other than stretching the African nations that don't have enough for their own sustainability. So far in terms of oil production, availability and supplies Russians cannot be replaced the only way to avoid direct deals with Russian oil is to source for alternative sources like Renewable energy or energy from waste products since electricity will be too expensive

Well, I am a friend of renewable energy but I am also realistic. Europe, with its enormous hunger for energy, cannot supply itself alone. The only option would be nuclear energy, but it is neither renewable, nor does it produce radioactive waste, and it would continue to depend on uranium and plutonium from other countries. Only when hydrogen can be produced at an acceptable economic rate can Europe become energy independent, but I fear that will take a while.

but finding alternative energy to replace energy such as oil or natural gas is not easy, there must be further research and of course it takes a long time and is expensive. Moreover the latest energy which will be an alternative does not necessarily have the same level of efficiency as the energy that exists today.

1. The power of Siberia. In reality, the project can perform in comedy shows :) I won't tell you what the statements were and what the reality is, right?
Before the problems of 2021-2022, until Russia started having problems with gas supplies (and as you know, Russia has nowhere to store gas that is not redeemed), it began to look for ways to dispose of it. Otherwise, just either burn or conserve the deposits. This is where Siberia's potency came in handy. Why impotence - well, let's tell us what is the content of the declared 50 billion cubic meters, for which the contract was supposedly signed, but I won't say anything for now :) So, since Siberian impotence was essentially idle (no, no, some kind of gas was pumped through it, not 100% simple, but also far from the volumes under the "100% signed contract"), there was nowhere to put gas, a way out was quickly found - "fraternal China helped." I agreed to buy a certain amount of gas at the price of the market minus 30% :) That's all the deflated power of Siberia. Now, of course, the loading will go - it’s necessary to sell gas at a dumping price, which the EU refuses! But the payback period of the project flies to infinity :)

2. Of course, to the detriment of the domestic market, this has always been the case. I remember that in Krasnodar, my aunt lived almost in the very center of the city. Red Street. In 1982-1990, I personally remember how they suffered with bottled gas. Either it is not there, then it barely burns (diluted wildly). And I know that before she moved to a new apartment (about 2000+), there were problems with gas ... This is practice. And it's not deep...
Well, if almost half of the populated territories do not know what normal gasification is! Do you really want to say that now they will drop everything and pull pipelines through depressive, degrading regions?! I'm ready to be patient and watch this new "Santa Barbara", but I'm afraid that this will be the longest and really endless series :)

World cannot shut doors to Russia - No other country can full fill the supply of oil. It is one of the largest oil producing country.
And America has done a great role to pull all the strings to weaken Russia. US has done so much damage to the world than Russia. I support peace - and Russia should stop all the brutality to the Ukraine.

The United States is a net exporter of LNG and it produces almost all the crude oil that is produced inside its borders. The United States is not actually weakening Russia. As a result of skyrocketing prices, Russia is witnessing an increase in profits and revenues although they are exporting less amount of oil and gas. And at the same time some of the shale gas producers in the United States have refrained from ramping up their production, for unknown reasons. For whatever reason, the Americans are playing a very negative role here.

That "drop" is caused by two things and every nation could follow the same road as well. One of them is the fact that we have seen Germany decrease dependence by using less, they didn't need to use gas, but it was easy and available so they used it in some places, switch that to another method and you should drop it, not all the things you use gas for is a "must" gas usage thing.

Secondly they are getting it from other places now, not like Russia is the only nation, most famously Qatar has a ton as well. All of Europe, or even all of the world could end up doing this, and it would allow them to get better and depend a lot less on Russia.

Shale oil producers in the US got a very painful disappointment a few years ago when oil was cheap and shale oil production became unprofitable. Now it's profitable again, but investment is in no hurry to return to the industry, because the "greens" in the US and Europe now have a very strong lobby. Their favorite mantra is renewable energy and they are full of contempt for fossil energy sources.

I don't understand these Green wankers and the losers who vote for them. They call themselves as the "Green Party" and in realty they have banned one of the most environmentally friendly source of energy (nuclear). Then they ruin the natural beauty by installing wind power turbines and solar panels stretching across thousands of acres of pristine land. And in case of Biden and the Democrats, it is another issue altogether. They want higher prices, so that their friends in Saudi Arabia and Qatar can benefit out of it.

The issue of replacing an inadequate supplier will be resolved fairly quickly in terms of gas as well. For example, oil, which will soon fall under the embargo, may be replaced in the near future by Iran.
"Iran is preparing to launch the country's largest oil field and could double its exports of 'black gold' to meet global demand," Moshen Hojastehmer, managing director of NOC (National Oil Company), said.
According to him, in the coming months, NOC plans to sign agreements with banks to finance the project to develop the second phase of the Azadegan field, which has reserves of 32 billion barrels and is one of the five largest on the planet.
For comparison: all of Russia's reserves are estimated at 100 billion barrels, while the Ministry of Energy considers only a third of them profitable.

Are you serious? ;D

Iran is one of Russia's strategic partners with many joint projects, including in the field of oil production and oil refining. Even if you factor out the sanctions generously imposed by the West on Iran, by buying oil from Iran you are also indirectly buying oil from Russia. Venezuela has a similar story.

Russia's oil embargo has failed, Europe cannot agree on and accept the sixth package of sanctions. Europe has already reached its sanctions limit, further escalation of sanctions against Russia harms Europe itself more than Russia. And Europe will also have to pay for gas in rubles, European companies hastily open accounts with Gazprombank (https://www.eni.com/en-IT/media/press-release/2022/05/eni-starts-process-opening-accounts-gazprom-bank.html).

Its not possible. Same with Saudi Arabia who is not cooperative right now to US. These are countries oppressed for several years, they are not coming to rescue anyone.  After Biden bad mouthed Saudi prince, these are proud people its not easy to tamed him anymore.

These countries realized energy is the most needed to keep an economy of their own. It maybe possible that Iran or Saudi will also demand to buy oil from them using their currency like Russia did.

People keep suggesting Iran in this topic but they just focus on the capacity Iran has and some random statements published in the media. I don't think it is going to happen for a single reason: lack of incentive.

Iran simply has no reason to replace Russian gas in Europe because years ago the plan to export gas to EU was on the table and the incentive was also there for Iran since the economy was a lot smaller than today but EU didn't agree with it for reasons that are off-topic here.
Today Iran's exports are at an all time high and the cost of energy is rapidly rising which means the energy parts of exports Iran already has are generating a lot more money already.

However, I think it will eventually happen. Maybe in a year from now when the incentive is massive and energy prices have reached the highest they can.
It's basically like JCPOA, when US abandoned it in 2018 Iran already had the upper hand shortly after but the come back was prolonged to gain even a higher upper hand (From 3.67% enrichment to 60% with a massive stockpile). The agreement still won't be reached since Iran's position keeps getting stronger so an even bigger incentive is required!

Not to mention that Iran's strategy was changed in 2019 from Maximum Resistance to Maximum Pressure. The shoe is on the other foot ;)

Quite seriously! And China, according to Russia's fantasies, was a "fraternal people", and Iran ... But they, China, Iran, Venezuela, in the end choose leaders and not losers, who are now globally represented by Russia with their tantrums and empty threats. What is more profitable for Iran - to receive dummies called rubles for its oil or to lift sanctions and receive a dollar for gas and oil? Or do you think they are all idiots? :) Of course, these countries will choose a more advantageous position and offer! To begin with, answer a simple question - if China is such an "anti-Western partner" of Russia, why does it buy gas from Russia on its own terms and not at market prices? :) Try to give a logical explanation? :) Look forward to !

I do not understand the question, what is surprising for you that long-term contracts are usually concluded at a discount to the market price? Your desire to count the money in someone else's pocket is also strange to me.

I am not residing in Iran or Venezuela. I am a resident of India. And here, we have seen oil and gas imports from Russia skyrocketing. This month, around half a million barrels of Russian crude is arriving at the Indian ports every day (more than 12% of the Indian net imports). Some of this crude is refined in to diesel or gasoline and re-exported to the European Union. I have heard about similar stories from countries such as Indonesia as well.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/russia-jumps-4th-position-oil-supplier-india-tanker-data-2022-05-17/

Indian imports of crude from Russia (barrels per day):

March 2022: 66,000
April 2022: 277,000
May 2022: 487,500

If it is true that Russia wants to stop gas supplies to Europe, Iran will most likely take over temporarily, although we know other countries do not have the same power as Russia, but at least they can help other European countries a little, if other countries do not impose excessive sanctions on Russia. In my opinion, Putin will not stop gas supplies to Europe, I hope the Russo-Ukrainian war can end soon, because I really miss peace.

Russia does not want to stop supplying gas to Europe because this is considered its main source of income. If the gas contract is terminated, both sides will suffer heavy losses the victory belongs to no one. No other country can substitute a good supply like Russia for Europe. All are just temporary solutions and there is no other choice.

China is a partner of Russia, I'm not sure if we could consider the country an "anti-Russia" but I do think China has its own motive also in supporting Putin's quest. Xi would not act if his country isn't also going to benefit.

Russia is much closer to China. Just like India I think its only logical to buy oil from Russia by train than shipping oil from elsewhere. India and China has tons of manufacturing companies that needs gas and oil. Pretty sure they couldn't afford to lose Russia's discounted price.

Ok, let's assume that once again you do not slip a fake (although you will surprise me greatly if this is the case :) )
Then please refer to the information about the "long-term contract for the supply of gas, which the EU refused, between Russia, China and India"?
I remember what kind of hysteria it was when the "impotence of Siberia" was launched - and they say China invested tens of billions, and a contract for 100,500 years, and much more. In fact, it turned out that China did not invest, but lent Russia, at considerable interest and renting huge areas of the taiga to China for 49 years. Oh yes, and how it turned out later that China did not sign the supply agreement on the terms that the Russians habitually lied to, deceiving themselves :)
In total, it’s not an investment, but a loan + deforestation, and a contract, but a small amount of gas, at a price that Russia has classified, which means that China indicated a penny price for Russia, and Russia agreed. This is not a discount, this is a coercion of a strong player in relation to a weak one :)
And so - I'm waiting for links to information about long-term contracts Russia-China, Russia-India for gas supplies. Any source except Russian, of course :)

UPD Yes, and of course the contracts signed after the start of a new phase of the terrorist war in Ukraine, after which there were problems with the sale of gas to the EU. That is, there is no need to issue any old contracts, for contracts under which gas supplies to China and India began last month

At first place it is silly thought that someone else will fulfill supply of gas and oil. There is no alternative and world has to rethink on getting good terms with Russia.
Every country tried to put sanction on Russia. What if Russia halt the oil and gas supply to the world? Every nation has their agenda. I am not sure if this silly decision of cutting the terms with Russia would work.

Even more good news for Russia:

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/business/china-in-talks-with-russia-to-buy-oil-for-strategic-reserves/articleshow/91668799.cms
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/19/more-russian-oil-going-east-squeezes-iranian-crude-sales-to-china

China is also stepping up it's purchases of Russian oil and gas. They don't make detailed numbers public (unlike the case with India), so it is very difficult to track how much Russian oil and gas is actually going to China. According to Al Jazeera, Iranian oil exports to China have decreased significantly as the refineries there are now preferring Russian crude. And more importantly, Russian crude is being purchased by China at a discount of around $9 per barrel (which means a price of ~$100 per barrel). At this price, the Russian treasury will earn a tax revenue of at least $20 billion per month.

Looks like Russia will be Chinas bitch before the year is out.

Putin bowing to China’s cash.

As the world's most populous country and the world's factory, China is benefiting greatly from the wars of Russia and Europe. With this cooperation will help Russia reduce the burden if Europe enforces sanctions on Russian oil and gas but that won't happen anytime soon. Europe has decided to spend $220 billion to completely reduce its dependence on gas from Russia. Let's see what they do next.

China is ramping up their imports of energy and food by as much as they possibly can. They are not replacing one thing for another not to mention that since none of these countries use the Western payment systems and do not publicize their trades, nobody has any idea about their size or the changes. What you read in the media has been pure speculation that has been far off the mark, one small stats released by the Chinese a couple of months ago proved they are 10 times higher than what they were speculating.

Is it a discount if you are selling something at $100+ which you pushed up from $70 yourself? I don't think so.
Not to mention that even $100 is a speculation as I mentioned above. :D

If only people would understand what they are reading, and it is so damn simple.
But of course, when you're rushing to post propaganda, you're omitting facts just like Russian have forgotten their armor before going to war.

From your own article:


You see those two names there? It's Ural and Espo oil, not Wti and Brent.
And guess what the price for Ural is? 76.99 (https://topoilnews.com/), what's the price for Espo? 74.57 (https://oilprice.com/oil-price-charts/), expanding the charts and going 9$ lower means Russia is selling right now the cheapest oil since 2017 (excluding the april covid scare).  ;D
But of course, it's good news! It's a world-class master chess move!


The way things look, that's the only thing he can still hope, the end point seems to be eunuch slave.

Russia's budget for 2022 was drawn up based on the price of Ural oil of $44 per barrel, with the dollar exchange rate of 72 rubles. Even taking into account the discount and the significantly strengthened ruble, Russia is now receiving super profits from the oil trade.

Europe has never lived as badly as under Putin. ;D

OK.. I analyzed the article again. The price of $100 includes elevated costs of insurance and freight. The Russian government is selling the oil for around $80 per barrel. A number of relatively unknown traders and shipping companies are making use of this situation and reaping huge profits for themselves. But the Russians are happy, since they are getting around $55 to $60 as net profit for every barrel they sell (the cost of production is estimated at $20 to $25 per barrel). And the $100 figure is not speculation. It is what the refineries in India and China are specifying as the actual price of imported crude for tax purposes.

What are you?! There is no alternative? Seriously !? Seriously, don't laugh! :) Tip - google for the phrase "countries of oil suppliers" and then "countries of gas suppliers", you will be very surprised, believe me!
Regarding the "horror story" - if Russia stops selling oil and gas. I will now give an example, it will be a little rough, but it will convey the situation very accurately. Russia that will stop selling gas and oil = a person whose rectum and ureter were sealed :) How long do you think a person will live like this? So Russia will rot from the inside. For information - Russia does not have enough oil and gas storage facilities. The way out is either stupidly burning what was produced, essentially burning money, or mothballing active fields and losing the volume of oil / gas produced. Yes, the most important thing is to lose it for a very long time, because. without Western technologies, Russia will not be able to reactivate the deposits, because even in this critical industry, russia is technologically backward and has always used western technology to explore and extract these resources.

The winter is coming. ;D

Europe is in deep shit. She was unable to agree on the sixth package of sanctions and received an internal split. The packages with sanctions are over, there is nothing more to put pressure on Russia. And Europe has nothing to pay for the supplied gas, euros are immediately converted into rubles on the stock exchange and the euro exchange rate is already flying to hell. Russia no longer needs either dollars or euros - what to buy with them if there are sanctions everywhere? Burn your euros and warm yourself with them, and also eat them and fertilize the earth. This is a fiasco.

Be so kind as to provide the original link where the value of RUSSIAN oil in transactions with China is indicated, as you indicate? :) I will say in advance - you will not provide it, because there will be the Market value of RUSSIAN oil (Urals), and it is noticeably lower than the figure you indicated. Oh yes, and minus what China orders. No, Russia will most likely announce no more than 5-10% to the public. What for ? Everything is very simple - another lie to form another fake image of "stability", because everyone should again be afraid that Russia will have a high income and sanctions are not afraid of it. Well, this is such a country - I didn’t lie, consider the day wasted in vain! :) In reality, it will be 25-30% if not more. and now we look at the market (I took today's data 20/05/2022):
Brent (Brent Crude Oil) 112.65 (USD/bbl)
WTI (Light Sweet Crude Oil) 112.70 (USD/bbl)
Urals Med 82.85 (USD/bbl)
That is, optimistically, it is about 60 dollars per barrel, while the cost of production is about 20-25. And 60 dollars is by no means 90-100 dollars :) In a word - there is no need to repeat the methodology of Russian propaganda and manipulate the numbers. Which are also easy to check! :)

A profit of $60 per barrel still means a lot. Let's take a conservative figure of $50 per barrel, after taking in to account the profit margin for oil producers such as Rosneft and Lukoil. If they export 6 million barrels per day of crude oil or products such as diesel, then the net profit is $300 million, which amounts to around $12 billion per month. Add in the profits from gas and coal, and you will get a figure of around $20 billion per month, which is in line with the estimates from most of the experts around the world. And don't forget that a year ago, oil was trading at $40 per barrel.

Great calculations - that is one of the reasons that oil producing countries are always dominant.
i wish my country discovers oil reserves too and our nation becomes rich and progressive! Ameen

Let's not forget the fact that not all the oil and gas producing countries are rich. Russia itself is not rich, and a large part of the population is either lower middle class or poor. Then we have countries such as Venezuela, Iraq, Angola and Nigeria. These are some of the largest oil exporters, but the majority of the population lives in poverty. On the other hand, Japan imports close to 100% of the oil and gas they consume and still they are one of the richest countries in the world. So there is no guarantee that being oil rich improves the financial situation in your country.

Told ya!
I don't know if you remember this but in the USSR time there was this joke

At the agricultural meeting of the oblast, every kolkhoz director came and issued his report to the inspector sent from Moscow:
- This year we have planted 1 000 sq km more, said the first
- This year we have planted 2 000 sq km more, the second...so on
By the time they were only two left suddenly the inspector realized that's the entire agricultural area of the oblast and asked the remaining two what they've done
- Comrade, we have converted all roads, gardens, and house roofs for agriculture and managed to plant 10 000 sq km more said one
- Comrade, since all the land in the Oblast was taken, said the last one for them, we have invaded Poland and planted there 10 000 sq km of corn for the motherland!  ;D

And look what we have here:


So if you make $300 million a day in a month you make 12 billion, because as we know the months in Russia have 40 days!
And adding to this "math" the fact that he already said gas revenues are 20 billion a year, which means 1.6 billion/mth it would mean Russia is going to make more profits from coal than from the entire gas and oil industry! How? Majic!!!!!  ;D
Or maybe in Russia the year has 15 months?


Here is another great one for you, 300*30 is 9 000 not 12 000.
You're going to thank me later!

Yes Yes Yes ! :) I also sometimes watch the "Show for the Brainless" from Solovyov and the like, in order to understand how the Russian world lives :) There, for 10 years, they have been saying that Europe is in shit, the United States has a couple of months left, because they were outplayed by the Kremlin's miserable likeness of Hitler, the ruble is strong and secured, the dollar and the euro are not secured by anything, Russia will destroy everyone to ashes with its strongest army ... Well, and other, regular, feverish nonsense of Russian propaganda :)
What is there in essence? Well, seriously - rewriting nonsense from Russian propaganda is, of course, cool, probably, maybe it even strengthens someone's self-esteem or something else, but everyone already knows where such funny fabulous statements come from :) Or you can have your thoughts, honest numbers, real events ?

Tell me, only with arguments - what will Russia remain on the globe of the earth as such until winter? :)

You snatched out a small part of the big picture. I explain. In the federal budget of the Russian Federation for 2022, the price of Urals oil is set at about $45. It seems that at a price of 82 dollars a barrel, it turns out 1.82 times more. Cool, yeah ? But then the nuances begin.
Once again, I did not just say that about the federal budget, especially since it is in deficit, i.e. does not cover all planned costs that were considered in 2021.

At the same time, we recall that in the same budget the calculations of foreign exchange earnings, which are then transformed into the ruble budget, are based on the dollar rate - 72 rubles per dollar. In total, we have 1 barrel = 3240 rubles. The ruble exchange rate is being actively artificially increased, and today the dollar exchange rate has fallen to 58 rubles. Or 82 * 58 = 4756 rubles. And this gives not x1.82 increase in income, but only x1.46 times. Do you feel how the "surplus profit" is melting?
The decline in EU oil purchases will definitely affect the price of Urals. And not positively. I think the reduction + forced dumping of prices (at the request of China, because it will buy out the surplus), will reduce additional profit to 0, and possibly lead to the failure of this income item.
And now add to the budget the costs of the war. I am sure that in 2021 they already knew that they would unleash a new terrorist operation in Ukraine. But the calculation was carried out for 3-4 weeks, and miserable losses (well, after all, "the second army in the world" :)). Bottom line: for almost 90 days, the Russian "invincible" has suffered heavy losses in equipment, manpower, and ... from new sanctions! And these are daily expenses from the budget. not 28 planned days, but already 3 times longer, and many times higher than planned, daily losses.

The question is - and what will the final picture of the federal budget look like in the end, even with such oil income? :) You, I'm sure, perfectly understand how the overall final picture will look, and it will not be as positive as it seems if you look only at the price of oil, and do not take into account all the factors!

I will add one more thing - according to official statistics, since the beginning of 2022, 4 million people have already emigrated from Russia. I’ll clarify - in 5 months as many emigrated as in the previous 8 years! And it is most likely that people who are quite a productive layer left. This means that there will still be hundreds of billions of rubles of taxes not received.

Looks like you are having problems with comprehension. This is what I said:


The $20 billion figure is including gas and coal. Gazprom on average exports 10 to 15 billion cubic meters of gas to Europe every month and right now the Dutch TTF price is $1.027 per cubic meter. Even if I take a very conservative 60% profit margin, the net inflow amounts to $6 to $9 billion per month. And adding in coal, this figure should be close to $20 billion. And this is not my calculation. The source is IEA (International Energy Agency). Here:

https://www.businessinsider.in/stock-market/news/russia-is-earning-20-billion-per-month-in-oil-sales-as-higher-crude-prices-lift-export-revenue-50-says-iea/articleshow/91525171.cms
https://news.yahoo.com/russia-earning-20-billion-per-164652399.html

And one more thing. I underestimated the oil exports from Russia. They export 5 million barrels of crude and 3 million barrels of refined products every day. So that is a net export of 8 million barrels per day. Source:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/energy/how-do-you-replace-millions-of-barrels-of-russian-oil-a-day/2022/03/02/24efb006-9a0c-11ec-9987-9dceee62a3f6_story.html

Revenue from oil: 8 million barrels x $50 x 30 = $12 billion
Revenue from gas: $6 to $9 billion

With that logic Japan is also considered a poor country since 90% of Japan's population are considered to be living in middle class and lower class.

Yes you said:


You said 300 million per day, 12 billion month.
Get over it, basic math is not for you, also basic economical terms are not for you either.
You said profits!!!! Then you quote:


Haven't you learned in middle school the difference between profit and revenue?



Oh wait, you didn't! Back to school!
I wonder how a country that is run by 3*3=12 and profit is revenue people, would look like, oh wait, no need to wonder , we have it right here!

What is the propaganda here? I list the facts on the merits - the fact of Europe's inability to act as a united front in the sanctions against Russia, the fact of the rapidly growing exchange rate of the ruble against the dollar and the euro. About the strongest army in the world, which will destroy everyone to dust, you yourself invented it, I didn’t say that. In this section, we discuss economics.

I think by winter Russia will significantly grow in territories.

I think right now we are witnessing the collapse of Western hegemony. This does not mean that the West itself will disappear at the same time (I hope it will not come to this), it will simply have to learn to live in a new reality, within its means and without relating to developing countries from the position of its own superiority.

8 million barrels of crude per day is sold at $80 to $85 per barrel. The Russian state gains $50 per barrel as tax, with the remainder going as cost of production and profit for the oil company. So profit per day amounts to $50 x 8 million = $400 million. And again, this is profit and not revenue. $400 per day equals to $12 billion per month. And the revenue calculation would be $80 x 8 million x 30 = $19.2 billion.

And similarly, for gas the revenue would be at least $10 billion and the profit would be at least $6 billion.

Russia has been receiving approximately one billion euros a day since the end of February from hydrocarbon exports, plus or minus one hundred million. There was a small dip in the oil market, it seems, in late March or early April, it quickly leveled off and more than compensated - when Russia, in response to sanctions, began to ship oil by tankers with a port of destination "unknown". Everything is smooth in terms of gas, the formal refusal of pipeline gas by Poland and Bulgaria last month was offset by an increase in supplies to other countries, that is, Poland and Bulgaria did not refuse Russian gas, but switched to a virtual reverse.

In Russia itself, according to indirect signs (for example, by the amount of electricity consumption), there are no signs of an industrial decline against the backdrop of sanctions, there is even some growth.

If there were FACTS, I would not say anything. But I also watch the Russian show "we'll shit in your brain", and for some reason almost all the "facts" coincide with what is broadcast in these shows. I warned you - we live in a world where virtually everything can be double-checked! Just accept it, and don't think that it will turn out just to pour what you want into everyone's ears and everyone will believe - this is not Russia for you! :)

Close your eyes and listen to the following, YOUR post.
"Europe is in deep shit. She was unable to agree on the sixth package of sanctions and received an internal split. The packages with sanctions are over, there is nothing more to put pressure on Russia. And Europe has nothing to pay for the supplied gas, euros are immediately converted into rubles on the stock exchange and the euro exchange rate is already flying to hell. them, and also eat them and fertilize the earth. This is a fiasco."
 Tell me - does the face of Solovyov appear before your eyes? :)

I don't know what Solovyov is saying because I don't have a TV. However, I do not exclude that Solovyov reads my messages on bitcointalk and steals my brilliant thoughts for his programs. ;D

Iran also has sanctions as well, why would everyone suddenly forget about what Iran did and why they were banned from the world trades and then somehow just because Russia is banned from the gas situation suddenly people will start trading with Iran? I do not think that it would work, I mean even Iran would say no to that even though it would help them.

I believe that Qatar would be of some help until a point, and they will find smaller places that would grow bigger with some investments and just use that. That is of course just an idea, there could be some stuff which could be done to find loopholes, like find a nation that deals with Iran, and then let them get it from Iran and they could get from them and do a loophole like that.

This oil and gas monopoly and trouble by US - has brought the world this far.
Every oil producing country faces difficulties this way or the other way. Why don't these war let live other countries in peace?

This is what I have been saying from the very beginning. In the long term, the sanctions and embargoes will prove to be beneficial for Russia. So far in this year, in each month they are earning as much profit that they received in entire 2021. It is not just oil, gas and coal. Almost every commodity that Russia export has gone up in price by 1.5x to 2.0x, and this includes Nickel, Potash fertilizer and Uranium. On top of that, they have been able to diversify their exports. Here in India, we used to get around 1% of our oil from Russia. For the month of May, this figure has gone up to 15%.

Right on point but the collapse is more obvious now, otherwise the main turning point was 43 years ago when one of the oldest civilizations in the world started reviving itself by first kicking US out and revived what Robert D. Kaplan refers to as the same empire that expanded from Mediterranean sea in the east all the way to China in west; from Black sea and the Caspian sea in the north all the way to the Northern Africa. ;D

What did Iran do? LOL

US And EU begging Iran and Venezuela for oil should be the proof that nobody cares about anything when economy comes in. The recent travel of Enrique Mora to Iran begging to buy energy from Iran is also another indication.

It is not going to happen because as I said before, Iran doesn't need it; and the Iranian oil has its customers already. Not to mention that the lower supply in EU is increasing the price which is beneficial to all countries with oil and gas to sell.

Qatar is trying to hold the olive branch but I don't see that much changing. Keep in mind that Qatar owes Iran its survival when it was surrounded by bloodthirsty Arab countries trying to cut it off from the rest of the world and destroy their country. Due to its geography they will continue needing Iran for their future survival. It is clear from the relations between the two countries.

Who would believe Us will  one day need help from someone who is wanted with about $15M bounty on his head (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-venezuela-maduro-rewards-idUSKBN21D2M7). Biden can actually call  Maduro from his phone to make a deal with for gas supply and yet they can't get him.

Things can become worse all because of this war because food crisis is kicking in. Weighing where all these will go is that EU and US is willing to really make their people suffer to prove Putin is the next Hitler when they could make a deal to stop the war and let Ukraine grow first will stronger in military and economic power before fighting back Putin. Now all countries are dragged into this mess with prices of oil and gas.

Mora is a complete idiot, if he believes that Iranians would suddenly forgive him and approve the request to increase oil output. There are two factors here. As an oil producing nation, Iran benefits from higher oil prices. And secondly, acting against a friendly nation such as Russia is not something the Iranians are keen on doing. The Western bloc led by the US is proving again and again that they don't have any morals or ethics. They can ally with anyone, as long as it suits their agenda. Too bad that the opposite camp has learnt their lessons by now.

Oh that oil war has put the world in serious trouble - I wish the world runs on water and we need less oil.
This oil and gas trouble has placed so much trouble in the world. Crazy war and conspiracies has brought the world in whirlpool of pain and agony.

A little dip into the harsh reality floating in the mud of Russian propaganda/

About "freezing Germany" :)
Germany and Qatar have signed an agreement to deepen their cooperation in the field of energy.

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said at a press conference together with the head of state of Qatar that the agreement, signed on May 20, "opens up many opportunities for successful cooperation." AR reports.
Scholz said Qatar also "has huge potential for renewable energy and hydrogen production." Germany plans to build two liquefied natural gas (LNG) terminals for deliveries from suppliers such as Qatar.
The Emir of Qatar, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani said: "Whatever we can provide for energy security in Europe even during this period, we will take care of it." The Qatari leader confirmed that Doha plans to start delivering LNG to Germany in 2024 and called Europe an "interesting" gas market.
Rudy Baroody, CEO of consultancy Qatar Energy and Environment Holding, said Qatar is poised to meet German LNG demand in addition to supply to existing customers, citing the expansion of the giant North Field natural gas field.
"Qatar will be able to provide 20-25% of Germany's total gas consumption in 2024," he told Al Jazeera. The expansion project puts the country on a path to further increase global sales overall in the coming years, he said.
The question is - where will the country of terrorists put gas, which buyers in the EU will refuse? I think - they will be "saved by fraternal China" - they will buy them out that way ... at $ 10 per 1000 cubic meters, and all beyond the Urals :)

Now the history will be made - I am very sure the trade and relationships of the country will change.
This war has also placed Pakistan in a very difficult position. Pakistan was neutral on their stance for Ukraine and Russia war. But nothing worked our - and the people have seen the disaster inside the country.

Well, it’s unlikely that he reads you, I’m sorry that I don’t let you amuse yourself with such a dream :)
Regarding the lack of a TV - these information feces, the Russian media are pouring everywhere - on info sites, on YouTube (by the way, thanks to YouTube - they closed thousands of such crap resources with fake "news"), newspapers, .. So the absence of a TV, and the presence of a monitor - almost does not change the situation.

Well, on the topic - tell us, what, from your point of view, are the results of the last week, on the topic "freezing Germany", "there is no alternative to Russian gas", "everyone will buy gas for rubles and nothing else", on the topic of the topic?
PS Only with links to sources, ok? :)

Well.. by some coincidence the vast majority of world's oil and gas are found in some of the most authoritarian states - Russia, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Angola, Brunei, Iran, Qatar, Equatorial Guinea.etc. Now I don't know how this interconnection works. Either these states became authoritarian as a side effect of all the oil wealth, or by some coincidence they all became authoritarian first and after that oil was found. Either way, the remainder of the global population is in a tricky position, because they need to purchase their oil and gas from these authoritarian regimes.

Everyone is going to become authoritarian in the end. Globally US has become authoritarian by imposing sanctions to different countries and its not me saying this. This is according to Joe Brown in this video.  Biden Turns to Venezuelan Dictator Maduro for Oil (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jrxHuJ3EyA)

Its possible for the world to run with water, there were already cars using waters which hydrogen is extracted from water to do the combustion. Its going to work. The problem with this situation is that the businessmen who runs the show. Them who runs the economy of the world, how are they going to make money out of water when its readily available for all.

And what to say, look at the ruble exchange rate and you will understand everything yourself. The Central Bank of Russia seems to have to take emergency measures against the excessive strengthening of the ruble, because it is already becoming unprofitable for the export-oriented economy.

Germany is committing economic suicide, but it looks like it has no other choice. I have already said before and I will repeat now - Europe in this situation is a trophy and a victim. The USA, Russia, India and China make good money on the armed conflict between Russia and Ukraine, while Europe only loses.

Interesting but I'm still skeptical on their capacity.

Germany's gas consumption is about 250 million cubic meter per day and Qatar is already producing only 50 million cubic meters of gas per day. The numbers don't add up because this requires a super expansion to reach an additional 50 to 60 million cubic meters of gas (20-25% of Germany's consumption). I've also heard that the gas levels are falling under ground which would actually decrease amount that is being extracted (we share the gas fields with Qatar and that's one of the challenges we've been facing).

You also didn't mention anything about the price of this gas. LNG is generally more expensive considering the complexity of the process and the shipment costs.

I looked at the ruble :)
1. Do you remember the dollar exchange rate, OFFICIAL, in the USSR? Do you know why it is so "stable"? And what will happen when they impose an embargo on the purchase of oil and gas?
I give about 1-2 months after the embargo is introduced, and I predict a total collapse of the ruble. Now, by the way, it is not the stabilization of the ruble, but the washing out of the currency from the hamsters who still keep the dollar and the euro "under the mattress."
2. What can you say about the fact that the strengthening of the ruble is not economically beneficial for Russian exporters. "Great Economist" Kremlin miserable copy of Hitler, that one says that the depreciation of the ruble is pure benefit for the economy!
Here is a link to a video where he explains this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJo1YvNI6EQ (we turn on subtitles and translation, and read)
So someone sabotaged? :)
3. What currency is the Russian budget in? And what will the strengthening of the dollar lead to, despite the fact that the budget of Russia in good times was formed by 40-50% due to EXPORT and foreign exchange earnings?
4. About Germany. Germany's consumption of Russian gas is about 50%. Accordingly, Qatar will replace half of the gas from Russia. It's already good. LNG - yes, maybe a little more expensive, but at the same time, its supplies are increasing every day. Germany WILL have to pay for its flirtations and venality to the Kremlin terrorists - this is a fact, but they themselves are to blame for this. No need to choose such "friends" and sell yourself :)
There will be no suicide. There will be retribution for the "mistakes" made earlier. And in a couple of years the situation will completely stabilize, and everyone will forget about gas from Russia ...
5. About Europe. Europe, namely Germany, Italy, France, Hungary - these are those who lay under Russia, selling themselves, exchanging their pocket interests above the interests of the EU and their countries. Now they are paying for it. This is fine. It's like smoking, and then treating a long and expensive lung disease. This is predictable, they talked about it and warned, but someone decided that it would bypass him. No - it didn't work :)
All other countries do not have a critical dependence on Russian gas and are now actively looking for and finding alternative supplies.

This sort of argument has been going on for many decades now. Trust me, if there was a suitable replacement for crude oil, then it could have easily replaced crude oil and gas within a span of few years. But the truth is that, till now there is no such replacement. EVs are insanely expensive and the batteries need to be replaced very frequently (on top of that there is a shortage of Lithium and Cobalt). And now coming to Hydrogen, it is neither safe nor portable. For the next two decades, the green lobby will make tall claims of running vehicles on hydrogen and electricity, and nothing will change on the ground.

I call this syndrome "Gretta Thunberg of the brain". It seems that many "greens" are absolutely sincerely convinced that the electricity to charge electric vehicles is generated in a charging station. The problems of recycling used batteries and windmills are also diligently ignored.

1. There will be no embargo if you haven't figured it out yet.
2. The excessive strengthening of the ruble is indeed a problem. Fortunately, it is much easier to weaken your national currency than to strengthen it. I think in the near future the Central Bank of Russia will significantly reduce the key rate and this will make the ruble cheaper. This is the most obvious measure, but more surprises from the Kremlin are possible.
3. The budget of Russia is formed and executed in rubles.
4. Germany doesn't have a good choice right now. Either buy expensive liquefied gas or expensive pipeline gas, and there will be no more cheap pipeline gas from Russia. And there is not a single terminal for receiving liquefied gas, they are just being built.
5. Germany, Italy and Austria are countries heavily dependent on Russian gas and at the same time they are the industrial backbone of Europe. Coincidence? I do not think so. It is on cheap pipeline gas from Russia that all the industrial power of Europe rests, some industrial giants are directly connected to the main gas pipeline. Remove cheap Russian gas and Europe will turn into an office. With millions of unemployed and refugees, and with unprofitable industrial production.

No matter how much expensive pipeline gas is, it will still be cheaper than the LNG. Qatar LNG is being sold in Europe for all time high prices. There is a cheaper alternative in Yamal LNG (from Novatek), but the Europeans are stupid enough to sanction that source as well. And the only reason why German industries (especially automobile sector) are so competitive is because of cheap gas from Russia. Once again, as a result of mental retardance and stupidity, the Germans are disrupting this mutually beneficial structure to their own downfall.

1. If you think that the essence of the problems for Russia lies in the name of the process, then let there be no embargo! It’s just that at the beginning, the countries of the world minimize purchases, and then they completely stop buying from Russia :)
2. There have never been any surprises from the Kremlin. Idiotic actions - yes, their strong point! :) I recommend listening to this (I'm sure you are familiar with the Russian language :) ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhk4Y66OnDw
This, of course, is not a "masterpiece" from a "bunker economist", but in essence and with facts!
3. It is in rubles! And the cost of gas and oil exports is set in foreign currency, and the rate of major currencies is also set in the budget in order to predict both foreign exchange income and the equivalent in the "stable ruble." After all, the currency is good, but you should try to reduce the deficit budget to at least 0, because the salaries of the soldiers of the Russian army, murderers and marauders, you can’t pay in dollars, you need rubles!
And a little more from the expanses of the "great" - "The dollar is below 57 rubles - for the first time since March 2018. A barrel of oil in rubles is 6,500 rubles. Taking into account a discount of 35-40% for Urals, oil is already cheaper than 4,300 rubles. The budget includes 4,480 rubles. Instead of a budget surplus of 1.3 trillion, a deficit of 1.6 trillion is expected. The Ministry of Finance and exporters demand that the Central Bank lower the ruble" :) population)
4. Of course Germany doesn't have a good choice. This is a retribution for the sale of the interests of Germany and the EU, in exchange for "love in the Kremlin." And yes, it will not be easy for them, and there will be a lot of claims against Germany, by the way, like Italy. This is the price of lies and essentially theft.

But about the lack of LNG terminals - do you think if you lie so primitively, the terminals will disappear? Or will everyone believe and not check? You're not in Russia, this doesn't work here :) Or maybe you just don't know? Well then, I apologize. For one I will give you data from the real world :)

- On the European continent, including Turkey, today there are 28 terminals for receiving and processing LNG. At the same time, according to the latest data, only half of the capacities of these terminals are used.
- Spain is the country with the most LNG terminals in Europe. In total, six terminals operate in this country with an annual capacity of 43.8 million tons.
- there are 3 LNG terminals in the UK with an annual capacity of 38.1 million tons,
- in France 4 terminals with a capacity of 25 million tons
- Italy has 3 terminals with a capacity of 11 million tons.
- 2 LNG terminals operate in Turkey,
- in Belgium, Greece, Portugal, the Netherlands and Poland - one each.
- In addition, Turkey has in its arsenal 2 floating regasification units (PRGU), Israel, Lithuania and Croatia - one PRGU each.
- There are also small terminals for receiving LNG in countries such as Norway, Sweden and Malta, which are not included in the list of LNG import terminals.
- The total capacity of LNG terminals in Europe is about 150 million tons. However, today their workload is about 50%.
- Today, Europe meets only a quarter of its gas needs with LNG. At the same time, there are about 70-75 million tons of free capacity. And this means that after a full load, the EU will be able to replace more than half of Russian gas supplies, minimize the risks with gas supplies and stop financing international terrorists.

Knowledge is power ! But lies are stupid and always revealed ....

5. I agree! But for the betrayal of some, others can pay! This is also to p.p. 4 about betrayal. Let me remind Germany and Italy of the words of the Kremlin's miserable likeness of Hitler - "like it or not, bear it my beauty" ("нpaвитcя, нe нpaвитcя, тepпи мoя кpacaвицa"), now this applies to these two countries! :)

You have listed the number of terminals in Europe, but how many are in Germany? At the moment - zero. Do not accuse me of lying if you are not attentive and do not own the subject of the conversation.

ps The Central Bank of Russia today lowered the key rate by 3% (https://www.cbr.ru/press/pr/?file=26052022_103000key.htm), the ruble reacted with a noticeable decline. It is quite easy to weaken your currency, the reverse process is noticeably more painful and difficult.

0. If we talk specifically about Germany - yes, I agree, at the moment there are no terminals for receiving LNG in Germany, I apologize for the inaccuracy of the answer! But the lack of LNG terminals, namely in Germany, does not create a global problem for Germany related to obtaining LNG. Why ? Because:
1. LNG can be obtained from any neighbor, terminal owner that regasifies LNG.
2. Germany signed contracts for chartering four floating liquefied natural gas (LNG) import terminals in partnership with utility companies RWE and Uniper. And this replaces the missing terminals at the first stage.
3. Germany, in partnership with the Dutch Nederlandse Gasunie NV and RWE AG, will build a terminals for liquefied natural gas to refuse Russian imports. As a result, 4 LNG terminals will be built. They will be located in the cities of Wilhelmshaven, Stade, Hamburg, Brunsbuttel.

Those. Rented floating terminals will be used NOW, in the near future, for systemic diversification of gas supplies - 4 LNG terminals will be built. Moreover, two of them should go into operation in the coming winter - at the end of 2022 or at the very beginning of 2023.

AND ? Where is the problem ? :)


And about the games with the ruble, or rather its stability - that is. "strengthening the ruble" - is it just manipulation? Or how to call a currency in which stability and strength is replaced by weakness in 1 day and by order? :)
And another question about the ruble - if it has strengthened so much, why did inflationary processes, even for the simplest products, of domestic production, rise sharply in price? And even after the strengthening of the ruble, mathematically almost 2 times (in relation to the peak), prices continued to grow, in rubles? For local products? :)

The problem is the huge volumes of gas that Germany needs. This problem breaks down into several parts: the leased terminals are small, there is not enough free gas on the market to meet German demands, and there are not enough free tankers in the world to bring liquefied gas to Germany.

The strengthening of the ruble was caused by Europe's purchases of gas through Gazprombank with the conversion of euros into rubles on the Moscow Currency Exchange under Putin's scheme.

Inflation was brought under control and the ruble was deflated last week. Therefore, the Central Bank of Russia took measures to weaken the ruble - lowered the key rate, and also reduced the limit on the mandatory sale of exporters of foreign exchange earnings from 80 to 50 percent and increased the sale period from 90 to 120 days.

Prices in stores rose from the initial sanctions shock, then stabilized and even crept down. Gasoline in Russia has fallen in price since the beginning of the operation, the prices for utilities have not changed. There are no empty shelves in grocery stores. In general, hunger riots do not threaten Russia.

Installation of complicated and certainly many countries that have gas material become difficult if Russia stops supplying gas, and this is what is a strong consideration for Russia not to be afraid of any sanctions from Europe, when Russia feels pressured by European politics, by stopping European gas supply will suffered much problems.

It is indeed not easy to create a new network for gas to replace Russia's role, and that may be what Russia has used so that it can remain firm with its stance to date, and what has happened is that the energy crisis occurred in Europe, resulting in inflation resulting in high prices. and from this political war, the Europeans are the victims, while Russia, China and India are preparing to accept it

Sounds nice. And probably in theory or in other countries it works like that. Then a couple more questions.
- why the prices for products do not decrease, and moreover - grow. For example, the network "Mir Vkusa", in Moscow, I know for sure that revaluation is carried out almost daily, and all products are only getting more expensive. This is just a real market example.
- weakening of the ruble, beneficial to exporters (such as Rosneft and other resource sellers), but categorically not beneficial to importers and the population. Like it or not, but in almost everything, from wrapping materials to flavorings, from consumables to assemblies, Russia imports, which means that everything will be reflected in the cost of mass products. Reflected in the form of price increases. It turns out that they gave preference to Rosneft, shifting the entire burden on their already impoverished population? And there is still a decrease in the volume of hydrocarbon supplies and a decrease in income from these transactions ....

These are the most expensive grocery stores in Moscow, and maybe in all of Europe, with a focus on uncompromising quality of products.

That's right, a weak ruble is beneficial for exporters and disadvantageous for importers. Now the Central Bank of Russia is looking for a comfortable equilibrium rate that suits both. At the same time, he does not have at his disposal the usual levers for managing the exchange rate of the ruble in the form of direct interventions in the foreign exchange market, since his foreign exchange reserves are blocked by sanctions. But it seems that other methods, such as changing the key rate, changing the conditions for the mandatory sale of foreign currency for exporters, and verbal interventions by the head of the Central Bank also work well.

From June 1, the Government, as part of supporting the population, increased pensions for pensioners by 10% (for the second time in a year, the previous increase was in January) and the minimum wage by 10%, on which the salaries of state employees directly depend.

Russia is powerful and they will come back no matter what. All the effort of putting Russia in trouble will go fail.
All the counties are united to put Russia in trouble but they are biggest oil producers and they can not be defeated.

Well.. as a result of sanctions and embargoes, crude oil is now trading in the $120 per barrel range. And the Russian treasury is getting tens of billions of USD in forex inflows every month. So the government has some room for maneuvering, despite a large part of the reserves being frozen by the west. IMO, they should take care of the massive decrease in the population first. A decade ago, the government launched certain incentives (maternity capital) for parents who are having their second or third child. I am not hearing about this nowadays. 

Actually the recent small jump in the price that pumped the price to $120 was because of the "oil war" that US started recently when they seized an Iranian tanker carrying 700k barrels of oil and forced Iran to seize 2 tankers carrying 1.8 million barrels of oil in retaliation.

The family support program continues to operate and even expanded, now maternity capital in Russia is also provided for the birth of the first child.

That is good to hear. Birth rate in Russia is slightly higher than the comparable numbers in Western European nations such as Italy, but at around 1.5 children per woman it is not enough to ensure population growth. Hopefully the government will further expand the program and it will have some impact on the birth rates.


Yes.. I read about the seizure of Iran oil by the Americans. This has to be the stupidest thing to do, when the crude oil prices are nearing record highs. I really doubt about the intention form the Biden administration. What do they want? Are they trying to hurt oil-importing nations such as India and Japan? Because neither Russia nor Iran has been harmed till now from all this drama.

Now I feel trump administration was far better than Biden administration.
There are news coming from Sri Lanka and Pakistan - particularly Pakistan, that they have serious trouble with Biden administration. I think Trump America was a better America.

Venezuela takes tenth position in oil export and 13th position on oil production. Already it is a big exporter and the countries include USA, China and India. Nearly 57% of the oil is exported to the above three countries. Maybe citing the ongoing situation, the USA can make a talk. Already Venezuela is economically down and this change is just a discussion, but it is quite hard to get approved by the authority.

Trump is a businessman and he knows how to keep the economy afloat. During his 4-year term, he made sure that the industries doesn't close down and move their operations abroad. He was quite successful in doing that. And oil prices remained at around $40 per barrel level throughout his term, because he removed the unnecessary regulations. When Biden came to power, the first thing he did was to impose additional restrictions on the shale oil producers. And within 2 years, not only the US, but countries around the world are staring at sky high inflation rates and costly utility bills.

Oil price is a double edged sword for US*, a lower price oil means lower costs for consumers hence less inflation** but also that means there is little justification for the highly expensive shale oil extraction that could even reduce the production and increase US dependency on imports.
A higher oil price on the other hand means it makes financial sense for oil exploration and extraction for oil companies in US. But that also increases consumer costs contributing to inflation.

* It is not entirely the same elsewhere since oil extraction in lets say West Asia is easier and doesn't need the same amount of effort it needs in US so the production cost is always far lower.
** Although inflation is affected by a lot of things like the trillions of dollars that were all minted during Trump administration!

Not all countries face the same problems. For example we are mass exporting oil, gas, petrol, ... at the much higher prices but our domestic price of these things have not changed. My gas bill is the same as it was 5 years ago.

Earlier because of Covid and now because of Ukraine and Russia war. The wheat and gas crisis is going to leave footprint  throughout the globe.
I am very much worried because my income is dropping and inflation in my region is uncontrollable.

I don't think I see a fit substitution in the works. Tbh, Russia is one the largest suppliers of oil to the West and they know this. Should I call this act a form of retaliation for imposing sanctions? I think not. Probably this is a wake up call for the US. I think Iran, Canada, The UK and even Norway or Denmark could be considered to fill in the blanks in the meantime.

Keyboard warriors are coming up with all sort of scenarios to replace the Russian gas. What they don't understand is that designing and implementing new projects to extract natural gas may take many years. And even after that, there is no guarantee that the natural gas prices will remain high enough to make these profits profitable. And secondly, replacing pipeline gas with LNG can be very tricky. There is only a limited number of LNG tankers available. And the same can be said about the LNG terminals as well. In short, there is no quick fix solution.

While usa is doing his best to stop countries from entering russia block by not allowing them to buy its gas and oil. India has made a good move for its people, in current inflation Indian government has reduced patrol price by 9.5 Indian rupee and diesel by 7 Indian rupee. Europe solution to fix its energy crisis lies in Russia gas.

Being a resident of India, I would say that this is true. Although I don't have accurate figures for import of LNG from Russia, various media sources have published the volume of imports of crude oil from that country.

Here is one source:
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/indias-imports-of-cheap-russian-crude-surge-since-ukraine-invasion/articleshow/91897107.cms

As per TOI, this is how the crude oil imports from Russia have zoomed up:

March 2022: 97,000 barrels per day
April 2022: 240,000 barrels per day
May 2022: 775,000 barrels per day
June 2022 (projected): 935,000 barrels per day

If I am not wrong, now India is the second largest importer of Russian crude (if EU is not taken as a single country). China is importing 2,000,000 barrels of crude per day from China, with around 1.1 million coming from oil tankers and the rest transported through pipeline.

I agree ! India and China perfectly took advantage of the situation and "helped a friend" - they buy oil from Russia for a penny, which it cannot sell :) life will become even better - Russia will sell oil to you for cents or for food :) Well, what to do with it? The EU does not buy, most of the oil pipelines drove it to the EU.
And India and China will not play altruists and fill the Russian budget with the amounts that the EU is now carrying there. India and China are pragmatists and interested in their own benefit, so you will set the price of oil, not Russia! Soon you will have even lower costs for transport and other processes associated with the price of petroleum products. I am sincerely happy for you and for China that such a "compliant" oil seller came into your hands :)

Being an Indian, I don't think that the barrage of criticism that has been directed towards us is fair. The per capita income here is around 1/20th of the level that you have in the EU. A lot of people live in poverty. The residents in EU maybe able to afford an inflation rate of 10% per year, but for those in India that may sound like a death knell. We are interested in our survival (and not our benefit as you have mentioned). If the NATO wants us to stop purchasing Russian oil, then they should ask the OPEC and the American shale oil producers to increase the output, so that the crude oil prices fall to levels of $40-$50 per barrel which we had when Trump was in power.

The thing that makes Russia dare to invasion to Ukraine is that it has large oil and gas reserves, many European countries are very dependent on gas supply from Russia, if European countries are too strict in conducting economic embargo Being a big loss because to find a substitute for gas supply is very difficult and takes at least 3 years.

I think this is the false vision of Russian-Ukraine war situation. If you say that Russia invaded Ukraine only because they have huge amount of resources, then Russia could have started invasion of any other country. If the reason would be so simple, there will be only several countries left in the world, those who control huge resources supplies.

By looking on annual profit gas companies have, I have feeling that they will continue to buy gas directly from Russia for enormous price. Companies will use annual profit to provide discounts to gas consumers (citizens), letting them to catch breath from global price growth, letting them to adopt to new prices. And then start charging "normal" new gas price.

I saw that Germany is worried a lot about Russian gas. Which one is Germans leading gas company? Lets take GASAG for example. Their 2020 report (https://unternehmen.gasag.de/-/media/files/unternehmen/investor-relations/2020/gasag_gruppe_geschaeftsbericht_2020_eng.pdf) shows 76 millions EUR EBIT. Each year their income increases for 5-10 millions. Why not spend it to cover price increase?

Denmark, becoming the next victim of economic terror, the most unstable supplier in the world, Russian Gazprom, made 2 important decisions:
1. Stop financing terrorists by buying gas from them
2. Will continue to increase gas production in the North Sea. There is such a possibility, reserves allow not only to compensate for the shortage, but also to provide additional volume to the EU market.
Take an example from Denmark - Denmark does not care about the tantrums of a crazy terrorist, Denmark is above this, Denmark is not a sponsor of terrorism!

All good, except the part on North Sea. Gas reserves from that region has been exploited for the last 50 years or so and are nearing exhaustion. I don't think that the oil and gas production from North Sea can be increased any further, even with advanced technology. BTW, I am curious about the financial repercussions. Replacing pipeline gas with LNG can be very costly. On top of that, LNG producers such as Qatar are coming up with a lot of terms and conditions, which may not be acceptable for all of the EU member states.

My country is in so much trouble due to oil price hike.
the people are so much worried - that they have stopped going out - the industry is collapsing and everyone is in real trouble. May God bless us with this patrol crisis.

That is the case everywhere, right? All of the oil and gas importing economies are in trouble and the trade deficit has gone up to unsustainable levels. Not just the prices of oil, gas and coal has gone up. As a result of the war, the prices of fertilizer, wheat and sunflower oil has also gone up. Here in India, 5 liter pack of sunflower oil used to cost ₹735 in February. Now it costs ₹1,049. The prices have gone up by 43% in just three months. And the prices of diesel and gasoline has also gone up by around 20% during the same period (it could have been higher, but the government asked PSUs to bear some of the burden).

What makes it difficult is that rising oil prices have a domino effect and affect other increases,
things like that are certainly out of our control and it's definitely difficult to deal with it,
hope there will be good news and see oil price drop

Firstly, Denmark does not have much dependence on Russian gas. Therefore, the increase in production can be used to compensate other countries.
Secondly, if you are talking about the depletion of a deposit, then do not forget to mention Russian deposits as well - the output there is also huge, and new ones cannot be developed, because. they lie already at a greater depth, but Russia does not have the technology, and now there is no where to buy them.
You can speculate about the price of LNG as much as you like, but there is a market, and there is demand, and there is a desire, I would say the need in the field of energy security, to replace such a dubious supplier as Russia. And I repeat once again - all this is a payment for flirting with world terrorists, and indulging and lobbying their interests by some countries. For all the mistakes and idiotic actions, sooner or later, you have to pay. I hope this will be a good, albeit very expensive lesson for the world.
Third, Qatar will still supply, everyone will have to make mutual concessions. But this will be a redistribution of the market, from where Russia will simply fall out forever, at least in the form of today's Russia.

no, that's not the only reason. perhaps more precisely that is the reason why the Russian invasion is still continuing even though many countries have imposed economic sanctions on Russia. The main reason is because of the decision of the president of Ukraine who wants to join NATO and Russia considers that this decision is a decision that can threaten Russia's security.

The only country which is happy and strong is the one which has oil and gas.
My country is deprived of both oil and gas and hence in trouble and limbo. But Russia have defence too unlike Iraq and Iran so they can defend themselves.

Biden requested gas and oil middle east countries to produce for them but the leaders were not responding anymore to Biden. Due to Biden showing weakness, OPEC countries now have the gall to decline US. While they are not importing gas and oil though, their economy is also plummeting.
Saudis economy also depend on oil and gas imports. I think they were successful in negotiating Venezuelan gas.

Fascinating to see leaders in EU just shut their mouths while they suffer as US is still buying Russian gas to sell to EU.

People said Trump was not a good administer - but I liked Trump. He was far better than Biden.
Now because of USA and Russia Clash the whole world is in chaos - the world is in trouble for wheat and for oil the most important thing in the world.

It will be a combo of Arab and African producers, but what's more important, the problem will thrust europe in a renewable frenzy that will push the sector to develop solutions, and develop them fast. It might be a though couple of years, but this needed switch will be good in the end.

Did anyone watch the German protest on petrol price hike?
That was very powerful protest - people left their cars on the road and avenues and walked back home. This has blocked the road and avenues. What a wonderful protest they did.

It has always been like this that people think the past was better, that's why concepts such as nostalgia exist. In a couple of years from now when Trump comes back and the American Empire falls apart some more, you are going to say Senile Joe was a better president :P

Regardless of what it actually is, everyone is free to have their own opinion regarding the president.
and that's a common thing as long as there's no hate speech,
we also have to be fair in judging Joe Biden by judging him at the end of his term

PUtin in smart - he knows that the world will be in trouble with our oil, gas and wheat. So nothing would happen to them if the whole world would turn against them.
They can take care of themselves as they have strong defence too. So I think EU should act wisely and try to solve the issue through dialogue.

"They can take care of themselves." Well, let's assume. Then the question is - why haven't they taken care of it for 20 years? :)
Some of the simplest statistics for 20 years:
Changes since 2000 in Russia
-Schools
Was: 68 100
Now: 40 800
- Hospitals
Was: 10 700
Now: 5 100
-Emergency housing
Before: 9.5 million sq. m
Now: 25.5 million sq. m
- Officials
Before: 1,161,500
Now: 2 327 623
-Billionaires (synonymous with "Putin's friend")
Was: 0
Now: 83


PS and most importantly - in addition to resources, the demand for which may quite realistically decrease, Russia has nothing more. Or can you name something created in Russia that the world cannot do without? Well, at least 1 example? :)

Developed countries are developing new technologies, backward ones are trading in what they can dig ... with the help of Western technologies :))

The bold parts are where you are wrong.
The reason why Russia doesn't care about the sanctions is because the "whole" world is not turning against them. Essentially what you see today is the result of decades of stupid policies in the West. Did you even know that at some point Putin wanted to join NATO!!! They showed him the middle finger.
Then they couldn't even create any alliance against Russia or China for that matter, not just that they created more enemies among countries that could have helped oppose Russia hence creating a polarized world where 2 blocs are created each opposing the other.

Take Iran for example. It has the largest existing oil tanker fleet with the biggest capacity and also has one of the largest oil and gas reserves.
What's the relationship of the West with Iran? terrible
What's the relationship of Iran with the East? best. In fact the biggest Chinese economic plan (one belt one road) is possibly only because of Iran which is also a member of SCO, the biggest economical alliance in the world.

Imagine if EU was independent and never listened to US and improved relations with Iran more than a decade ago. That simply meant they would have never been mainly relying on Russian energy and Russia could have never used it as a weapon against them!
Even today EU has to desperately buy Iranian oil at a much higher market price since they are buying it through middle men. Fun fact: the Iranian tanker that Greece stupidly seized (that led to 2 Greek tankers being seized by Iran) was carrying Russian oil to Western Europe.

For the past eight years, Russia has been intensively preparing for the current operation to demilitarize Ukraine, spending up to a third of its consolidated budget on rearmament of the army. What is really strange for me is why Europe has not reduced, but even increased its energy dependence on Russia during this time?

What is the source of the info you have shared here?
To me it is also strange for me- Russia had plans as mentioned above, and they desperately wanted to do what they have done now.
But his has brought very serious consequences on Ukraine as well as on the whole world.

The answer is extremely simple - a corrupt, corrupt, or mired in compromising evidence, European lobby like Merkel, Sarkozy and other Orbans. These are people who have made the most of their efforts to ensure that Russia gains a foothold in the European oil and gas market, and gas and oil have become, in fact, levers of influence on entire countries! And many continue to do so to this day. Honor, conscience, moral and ethical principles, universal values, for many European politicians - is an empty phrase. And they are even proud of the status of a Kremlin prostitute! I think that Britain did not just leave this "union"

Germany is planning to build LNG terminals on their territory to replace the supply of russian gas demanded by the country and maybe will be able to export part of the production to another countries. That is a necessary measure that is advancing fastly in the political sphere in order to execute the project sooner as possible, because Europe is in a hurry. I hope their plans work until a definitive solution can be found, since it's not possible to rely on LNG forever, since it's a finite source of energy (non-sustainable). Besides this disadvantage, another one is the fact LNG terminals are expensive to be built, so a huge investment is needed, but I guess it's not an issue at all for european bureaucrats.

If the plan works as expected, dependance on russian gas will decrease from 55% to 10% by 2024.
LNG revolution: Germany’s plan to wean itself off Russian gas takes shape (https://www.ft.com/content/6c6352c3-cb60-48e5-aa5e-7cf02328f544)

Not only Germany, every country have made plans of creating renewable energy production, but this can't be made to happen in a short. For the immediate need it is must to depend on the oil wealthy country. It looks like Russia have profited more than 20% out of oil amidst the war. Germany made some requests to Middle East countries to increase the supply, and they weren't able to fulfill as the natural gas terminals isn't available. Not this is getting fast phase construction. Following Germany more countries will do it.

This for me is a good outcome of this war, because countries which are heavily relying on Russian gas are now thinking of alternative options for them. In the very near future, Russia will see that many of these countries are now self-sufficient. This will also tap the resources of the country itself, which are not yet optimized. At least, it will give them the edge in the oil market. I hope Russia will realize soon enough that this war won't be giving benefits on them.

There have been rumors and news about the possibility that Biden administration is willing to lift some sanctions so Venezuela can export oil to Europe.

https://www.businessinsider.com/oil-from-venezuela-to-help-replace-russian-crude-reuters-reports-2022-6

Now, this first step was taken so Venezuela can pay a debt with oil shipped to Europe, however, this may be the beginning of a deal between USA an Venezuela to supply even more energy to the old continent, in order to replace Russian gas.

This would result in a weird situation for Venezuela, since we have relatively close diplomatic relations with Russia and perhaps if this government (Nicolas Maduro) seeks blindly the profit and acceptance of USA, the Russia-Venezuela relations could result hurt.

You needlessly accuse the former political leaders of Germany and France of corruption, yet these are the leading countries of the European Union with developed democracies. Germany under Merkel was the economic leader and locomotive of the European Union, and Germany under Scholz is now like a worthless hysteria. No steel from Krivoy Rog, no cheap gas from Russia - and all the industrial power of Germany stopped and crumbled to dust. France was asked from Mali, and France now has problems with the supply of uranium for nuclear plants. Several nuclear power plants will have to be mothballed this year due to resource depletion. Europe is facing serious energy starvation in the near future. Cooperation with Russia for Europe is not only a matter of political preferences, but also a matter of well-being, and possibly a matter of survival.

Why don't these western idiots realize that even if Venezuela, Iran and all the GCC nations come onboard, still they won't be able to replace the output from Russia? And I am flabbergasted by this sudden love for countries such as Venezuela. If I am not wrong, the Americans seized a few tons of Venezuelan gold reserves some time back. Since the relations have now warmed up again, are they going to release those reserves? And maybe Biden administration will go up one step further and recognize Nicolás Maduro as the legitimate ruler of Venezuela?

The US interest in Venezuela and Iran is not accidental; their grade of oil is similar to the Russian grade of heavy oil. Some fuels, such as jet fuel and diesel, are made in refineries that need heavy oil for their processing cycle, and this oil cannot be replaced by light oil from the Middle East.

LNG is not renewable energy, it is the same fossil fuel (gas) that is converted to liquid so that it can be shipped to another country. This process is complicated and very expensive hence increasing the price of gas that these countries were receiving from Russia!
So I wouldn't jump to conclusion here that this solves the "problems", specially inflation if I were you.

This is not new, ever since the early days of the conflict US has been sending negotiators to a president they didn't use to even recognize, now he is suddenly the savior that US begs to for oil!
It's not just Venezuela either, not a week goes by without a European envoy contacting Iran to beg for oil and gas.

FYI Iran has the 4th largest oil reserves (Russia has 8th) and 2nd largest natural gas reserves (Russia has 1st). Iran's output is already higher than Russia's with more customers than we can handle specially for oil!

I don't think that Iran's output is higher than Russia. As per the US Energy Information Administration (EIA) data of 2021, Russian crude oil output is 10.1 million barrels of crude per day, while that of Iran is 3.11 million barrels. Iran may be able to replace Russian natural gas. But there are no pipelines from Iran to the EU and they don't have any large LNG terminals. Rather than Iran replacing Russian oil, in the recent weeks it has been the reverse scenario. Russian oil has replaced some of the Iranian oil sales to the Asian countries:

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202206072851
https://www.bourseandbazaar.com/articles/2022/5/31/eu-embargo-of-russian-oil-spells-trouble-for-iran

I saw news on CNN and CNBC that in this world gas reserves are very few and controlled by only a few countries including Russia, the process of making gas pipelines takes a long time especially now that many places have become residential so it is more difficult to meet gas, something that the most likely is the import of liquefied gas and of course a longer process is required.

I was talking about capacity not the output. Iran with 5000 sanctions is obviously exporting less oil than anybody else. Another factor to consider is that again due to sanctions and the fact that Iran doesn't use things like SWIFT for majority of trades (in hundreds of billions) the real export values are unknown and much higher than the publicly available data.

The problem is not infrastructure since it could be built, the problem is relations. In fact long time ago Iran's gas was supposed to go to EU through Turkey (if I'm not mistaken) but for certain reasons EU decided to rely on Russia alone.

That is pure propaganda, specially if you check out the first source you'll see that it is a Saudi funded propaganda machine.

First of all, as I explained above Iran's export size is unknown so there is no way anybody could make the conclusion about whether it has increased or decreased.

Secondly we have no reason to believe it has decreased since China (which they use as their reasoning) has been increasing its total import for some time, even before the Ukraine invasion.

Finally and this is more important, there has been a fixed supply and increasing demand of oil for years and so far nobody has increased production. So any market that is abandoned by one seller will be filled by another but that other seller has to reduce exports to a third buyer so like a chain they are just switching customers. For example a lot of Iranian oil finds its way to EU markets through third parties and at a higher price so any market that Russia abandoned was partially filled by Iran. Any oil that EU imports from somewhere else means that somewhere else is abandoning another market which again Iran fills. Imagine a crazy big shuffle in the market.
Iran's oil export that is publicly known in May has been 40% higher than May last year. How can it have been replaced if it is increasing?

There was a project IPI,  Iran Pakistan India gas pipeline. It was very popular in early 2000s but never kicked off because of usa pressure. Moreover Pakistan is suffering from energy crisis but due to usa influence it is not buying oil and gas from Iran.  Still EU and USA says that Russia is creating problems in this world.

Basically, I read the same things... infrastructure is a problem, it's a long process before gas starts coming! It's also expensive, very expensive... some countries don't have money for that, they will have to really on EU funds and loans probably!

Anyway, winter is coming! Like in Game of Thrones! Hot days started, so I guess we will not see much in the next few months... but when winter starts I expect some crazy things to happen! I don't see the end of this conflict, strong words are coming from all sides, diplomacy is not working, or we can say that some big countries decided to close diplomatic channels! I am not sure what will happen, this is something new for all of us and I just hope that this will not grow into some world war with nukes flying above our heads! Knowing governments and politicians (and my opinion about them is not nice) they are capable to shit on everything and everyone at any moment just because they can do it, and they have their own stupid arguments for that, so bigger conflict is a real possibility!

Discussion is easy - but this takes a lot of time and effect. The whole lot will again turn to Russia for their oil and gas supply.
The whole world was making sanction against Russia - without realizing the power Russia has. Let's see what crisis we see in coming days.

On this I have to agree. The net demand for crude oil is going up and the supply needs to come from somewhere. At this point, I won't be surprised if Iran produces and exports more crude than what they are believed to be doing. China imports most of the Iranian crude through indirect means. From what I heard, the crude is first exported to the UAE and Malaysia where they are blended and re-branded, and then imported to China. Anyway, after so many years of sanctions and embargoes, Iran by now must have found out the loopholes on how to circumvent them.

Not that I'm defending the invasion but the time for diplomacy was more than a year ago when Russia was diplomatically asking NATO to stop expanding eastward and was warning Ukraine not to let US build terrorist bases on their soil such as the one building biological WMDs.

This is also one of the reasons why Russia is not really feeling the effects of sanctions, the team of 70 economists and politicians that traveled to Russia right after the sanctions began is a good indication. The Iran-Russia trades is expected to grow to more than $40 billion soon.

As we speak the English premier league has suspended a TV deal worth 43 million euros that was supposed to last for 6 years, it's obvious that other European communities are working out a plan to cut off thier dependence on any russian products or services so definitely making such sacrifices means they have reached some sort of unanimous plan to be symbiotic with each other thus mitigating the debilitating impact that this russian governments decision on gas supply would have had on them....

Well, a little more about who is behind the global crisis in the grain market.
What you see in the pictures is #RussianHungerGames. Russia, in addition to blocking Ukrainian ports and stealing grain, is literally destroying food supplies for the world.
The city of Nikolaev and its suburbs have become regular targets for Russian terrorist missiles. The missiles hit grain terminals, residential buildings and port facilities in the city.
The impact caused a large-scale fire in a grain warehouse.
In more than 100 days of a full-scale war, the Russian terrorist army has destroyed numerous farms, food and food supplies, oil storage facilities, agricultural machinery and, out of habit, has stolen more than 400,000 tons (!) of grain crops from the temporarily occupied territories of Ukraine, as of May 12.
Not to mention the robberies, the destruction of fields, the forcing of large poultry farms to stop their work and the massive loss of poultry. These were food stocks not only for Ukraine, but also export stocks of food to secure supply contracts.
Obviously, the terrorists, who are screaming about what they are for the world and want to help with the food crisis, are doing everything to make the people of the world starve.

https://i.postimg.cc/05DD8TRV/2022-06-06-21-34-24-Facebook.png (https://postimages.org/)

The administration of US President Joe Biden has sent letters to authorities in at least 14 countries warning that Russia is trying to sell them grain stolen from Ukraine.
This is stated in the material of The New York Times.
The United States has received warnings, in particular, Pakistan, Turkey, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and 10 unnamed countries in Africa.
According to the US, we are talking about 500,000 tons of Ukrainian wheat worth $100 million, which was taken by land from Ukraine to the temporarily occupied Crimea, and then loaded onto ships.
According to the newspaper, at least three ships are sailing from Kerch to the Mediterranean Sea, which are engaged in the export of stolen grain.

The UN was unable to confirm Ukraine's accusations against Russia of stealing grain (https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/14848575)

Democracy, developed or not, hysterical or not - all this cannot deny corruption. Corruption did not appear under Scholz or Merkel. The historical connection between Germany and the USSR / RF has been very intertwined since the beginning of the 20th century. From the October Revolution, to the Hitler-Stalinist alliance and the unleashing of the Second World War by them - this was the beginning. Then, in the 20th century, the USSR, having both agents and a very "thick" collection of compromising evidence on high-ranking officials of the FRG and the GDR, continued the "game". Realizing that in the 60s of the 20th century, Germany became the leader of Europe, not to put her on a drug in the form of gas and oil would be an omission for the USSR, which always needed currency. And it is precisely the convenient contracts that give the status of almost a monopolist, and the strongest lobbying for the interests of the USSR and then the Russian Federation, that everything was built on bribery, and it is possible to intimidate those who were compromised. Tell me - was the prime minister of Gabon offered a place at the very top of Rosneft or Gazprom? Or maybe Spanish? Or Mongolian? No. To the one who, in fact, "planted" key European countries on Russian gas. There are a lot of materials about the corruption of the German top leadership. I really hope that Frau Merkel will go to trial and will be forced to testify. Well, if she suddenly does not die unexpectedly immediately after the announcement of suspicion to her, having gone on a "business trip to the Russian Federation" :)
And your answer perfectly demonstrates precisely the complete dependence of Germany on Russian resources. But ... Germany will have to go through the "breaking of a drug addict" in order to become a really independent Germany, and not be a hand-me-down Kremlin terrorist! :)

Where exactly are these materials, how can I get acquainted with them?

I'm tired of your baseless accusations. It would be nice if the Pope wrote from your account, but you are from Ukraine, and Ukraine has one of the highest levels of corruption in Europe, and maybe in the world. Therefore, your sweeping accusations to the right and to the left are like empty air shaking.

The President of Venezuela will gladly accept this game. Of course, he is not the best manager, but he is not an idiot to play further in "developed socialism" and be friends with world-class terrorists. After all that he has done in his country, the lifting of sanctions and the commercialization of oil on the world market is a success. And the prospects to get out of a difficult, protracted crisis. The people of Venezuela have the right and opportunity to live well, and now this can be quickly and efficiently implemented.

The point is EU and USA has done way more in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya then what Russia is doing right now. They are raising humanity concerns just because they can be next target. It's just a conflict where interests matters for everyone. I m not from India but I support India foreign minister statement that " EU must stop portraying that there problems are worlds problem".

Obviously, I dont have any priviledged information about possible political movements I am just a Venezuelan in Venezuela.
But I would say that even though Nicolas Maduro now finds himself in a better position to garbain with the USA because the urgent need for energy I doubt he is considering to fully cut his diplomacy with the Klemlin or China, after all they were his closest allies these rough years, politically mostly.

Of course, he wants to capitalize the oil but maybe in a way he does not have to take sides, of course as the crisis goes on he may find himself forced to do it.

It is also noteworthy the fact we have been moving from the construction of a socialist model to a more liberal economy, to the point we are selling up to 10% of stakes in public companies, not mentioning the adoption of the USD and a taste of free market.

https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-caribbean-south-america-caracas-cbcb1aeaad2b221763ed5994d92f3207

I would not be surprised if soon USA allows private companies to extract oil here under a pact between Biden and Maduro, considering the recent events

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/17/venezuela-oil-sanctions-chevron/

A pact between them will likely upset many Venezuelans in exile and politicians of the Republican Party, they are against buying oil from us, even more against allowing private entities importing technology and infrastructure here.

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It's like in court, the words of a recidivist criminal who denies his guilt, to be taken as the truth! :)

"Today, we are proud and happy to announce that ... the first railway cars with grain from the Melitopol elevator went to the direction of the Crimea"
The air of the TV channel Crimea-24. You can watch it online, in your own language :)
I am not interested in the opinion of the UN representative. The UN, the Red Cross, and many other international organizations have completely discredited themselves. And facts are facts! Moreover, not only grain is stolen, but metal is also massively stolen and exported to the Russian Federation. I will not talk about bipedal marauders, from gangs that are called the Russian army, who steal used underwear, dishes, beds and more. In Russia, stealing is not a crime, it is a folk tradition! :)

By the way - where is the official document, the UN resolution for example, about the fact that Russia is not a thief? Not ? And the facts that the thief-there is! Especially if they write about it themselves :)

I suggest everyone evaluate the news from the Russian media :)

https://www.gazeta.ru/business/news/2022/06/07/17889902.shtml

https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/629f96e89a794739cb9c9fbe

https://www.interfax.ru/world/845178

Let me remind you that in 2014, Ukrainian drilling gas rigs in the Ukrainian waters of the Black Sea were seized and assigned to Russia (stolen) ... Forgotten? To clarify - the Glubokaya field is located on the Prykerch shelf of the Black Sea, in the exclusive marine economic zone of Ukraine

PS Russia is the only country in the world where they proudly report that they have stolen ....

This oil game is a strange game. The whole world has been turned upside down for this oil and gas war.
But I think maybe in a few months time. Everything will be same like before. EU will be buying oil from Russia and things will be like normal. You will all see.

The funny thing is that Biden is making all this noise because he is butthurt that he couldn't steal those grains first. It's even funnier to see some people think that US is "helping" Ukraine.

It would be naive to play into US trap again. It is practically 100% guaranteed that as soon as the energy crisis in the West is averted, every step US took towards normalization with Venezuela would be reversed and harsher sanctions would be placed on Venezuelans making their lives 10 times worse than it is today.

Learn from Iran. We made a grave mistake in 2015 and signed JCPOA, not only they didn't remove any sanctions but they imposed more and increased their terrorism against Iranians. Today we've learned from that mistake and our economy is among the 10 biggest ones while US and EU are constantly begging Iran to come back to JCPOA and give them the much needed energy.
In fact after the shock of 2018 (start of "maximum pressure" campaign) that lasted a year and a half, the economy has been stabilizing more every day despite more than 5000 sanctions (in comparison there are only about 330 sanctions against Venezuela).

Maybe this oil game is part of the plan and has been planned by the big countries at this time,
whether it's true or not but what is clear is that it greatly affects the global economy,
To make it clearer, it's better if we just see what will happen in the future

I will very simply answer your clarification that Maduro maintained friendly relations with Russia and China! I'll step back a little. I used to evaluate, for example, the work of a person, not because he was sweating or tired, but because - did he achieve the goal or not? Did he reach the goal at the scheduled time? He achieved his goal without exceeding the budget. So let's get back to Venezuela and Maduro - what is the RESULT of help from China, Russia? The country has come out of the crisis and the economy has stabilized? Does the population have an acceptable income? Just be honest?

Melitopol is located in the Zaporozhye region and you habitually think that this is Ukraine. However, it's time to get used to the new reality, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions are Russia. Donetsk and Lugansk regions are independent people's republics of Donbass. All your accusations of stealing Ukrainian grain are baseless insinuations.

That can be seen in a unified country where everyone has one voice and tries to come together and rule out an existing problem.
Though the same can't be said for some other countries where the population is much and about 70% aren't interested in the economical issues of the country.



And for the topic at hand, it is clear that the gas deal between the U.S. and EU is important, but won’t be able to make up the shortfall from Russia, former U.S. energy secretary Dan Brouillette said (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/28/us-eu-gas-deal-wont-make-up-shortfall-from-russia-dan-brouillette.html)
In order words the US can't replace Russia in terms of gas exports as well.
 

I don't think that Ukraine will ever get back these territories. Crimea is gone and already merged with Russia. Rebels control more than 95% of Lugansk and close to 60% of Donetsk. One-third of Kharkiv is gone, so is more than two-thirds of Zaporozhye. Kherson is now almost 100% under Russian control. If Ukraine announces a ceasefire now, they will be able to save the remainder of their South-east region, such as the oblasts of Odessa and Mykolayiv. Zelensky and his regime needs to be realistic about their chances and the outcome of this war.  

Russia was ready to conclude a peace treaty and end its operation in Ukraine in March, when some common ground was reached in the negotiations mediated by Turkey, then Russia, as a gesture of goodwill, withdrew its troops from the north of Ukraine from near Kyiv. However, Kyiv disrupted the negotiations and significantly worsened its position. The problem is not that Zelensky is a drug addict, but that Ukraine is not an independent state that is completely dependent on the choice of foreign policy from curators from the United States and the European Union, who are apparently ready to fight in Russia to the last Ukrainian.

Hitler also made plans to own Europe :) The Kremlin's miserable semblance of Hitler will end up the same, or worse. Will the temporarily occupied territory by Russian terrorists remain in their possession or not - it's not for them to decide, but for Ukraine! And today, we are grateful for the help and support of adequate countries that remember what Nazism is and now see its even more vile grin in the form of rashism. This help will allow us to quickly free our land from the new brown plague. Tell Putin: like it or not - you will endure and be responsible for everything, "beauty" :)

I would assume the Biden administration plan in this particular case is to divide and conquer. See, many of our politicians could be aware that as ther geopolitical rival USA is not to be trusted, nonetheless our politicians have a terrible weakness: the love the American way of living, their products, their media, the glamour on the movies. It is this way to the point Florida is the favorite place for them to move once the have gotten rich through questionable ways.

Here you have an example of a personal friend/ politician of Hugo Chavez Frías:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_Andrade

He retired to Miami to enjoy his new fortune and race horses. Why did he move to USA intead China, Iran, Russia, India?
Because most of them love the enemy, or the way of living they provide. It is the same with the politicians and their children that moved to Europe, they love those places and the things offered, that they are willing to take the risk of arrest and prosecution because the origin of their money.

The USA government knows this and it will probably become part of their strategy to convince some politicians to take a side under the promise of what they trully desire: Be left alone with "their" money in Europe or USA.

Also, the desproportion between the sanctions against Iran and Venezuela is understandable. Iran is not only an energy power, but also has a nuclear program and their politicians I assume are more compromised. We dont have nuclear program, our oil production is low at the time being and most of our politicians are crooks only caring for themselves.

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The priority with these international relations were never to provide a solution to the low standard of life we have suffered for long time, instead we adquired unnecesary and predatory debts from Russia and specially China, funds likely stolen by corrupt and untouchable politicians.

The priority of those relations was to have a nuclear power to "warn" United States to leave us alone, so the White House would be reluctant to take drastic measures to get rid their foes here. Basically, to keep Maduro in power.

In exchange Russia and China use our territory as a platform of influence in the continent and exploit some resources, thats why we have been visited by Russian operatives and planes before this conflict with Ukraine.

So, considering those relations were for Maduro stay in power, I'd say they have worked so far.

I am looking at the realistic scenario. I don't think that Ukraine has the manpower or resources to wrest back close to 100,000 sq.kms of territory which is currently under Russian control. A few days back, Mykhaylo Podolyak made the announcement that Ukraine is losing 100 to 200 soldiers per day. These sort of losses are not sustainable in the long run and that means that the resistance currently put by the Ukrainian side can't be sustained. War has moved close to some of the strategic cities, such as Bakhmut, Kramatorsk and Slavyansk. A fall of any of these cities can be morale breaking.

Out of all the energy demand from a country, gas is probably the hardest to switch to different supplier. That is why the European Union is so reluctant to issue an embargo on Russian gas. In Europe has us bring distributed via pipelines which takes many years to be build and require political oversight. There is no way to build a new pipeline and be autonomous from Russia in one year. Liquidised gas could be one option, but for that the infrastructure is not there yet. USA would like to sell more liquid gas in Europe, so far they are exporting to Portugal and the Baltics. This is not enough to supply the whole demand in Europe. Political alternatives include solar energy and heating pumps that transfers hear from the ground. These things could be installed at all homes, but are very expensive. It takes a lot of substitutions from the government to make it feasible, and someone who has a few year old modern gas heater will not switch. These are long term solutions and will not help to switch of Russian gas short term. I don't see any real alternative to keep buying from a Russia in the next winter.

Agreed. No One can full fill the supply of world but only Russia. The whole world was imposing bans on Russia without realising what Russia can do to the world. They deliberately or not deliberately ignored the part. And now everyone is worried how and from where they are going to get the oil and gas supply.

The problem lies within the stupid policymakers of the European Union. Actually it is possible to replace Russian energy in the medium term, with available resources. But the European Union shut down most of the alternatives before the Russo-Ukraine war. As a result of pressure from the Green party, they closed down most of the nuclear power plants in Germany. This made them even more dependent on Russian imports. On top of that, the Green party idiots caused hundreds of billions of Euro in losses by funding unviable renewable energy projects all along the EU. They setup wind farms where there is not enough wind flows and solar plants where there is not enough sunlight.

You are right, even in the face of severe energy shortages, Germany does not appear to be changing course and plans to shut down the last three nuclear reactors later this year. And in general, the situation with nuclear energy in the European Union is close to depressing. It seems Europe has simply lost key competencies in this area - and I'm talking now about France, where there are relatively many operating nuclear power plants, but things with them are also not cloudless. There are many old reactors, several of which will have to be decommissioned in the near future, and there are almost no new reactors. And there is another problem even more serious - Europe is rapidly losing its influence in Africa (we are talking specifically about France and specifically about Mali). And without Africa, Europe has nowhere to get uranium from. The European Union has driven itself into a dire situation with its mediocre energy policy.

This is a beautiful example of this big shuffle I talked about: Saudi oil exports to China has been decreasing and they are swapping their Chinese buyers with others. This is another proof of how the websites I mentioned earlier were propaganda machines since if anything Russian oil replaced their employers oil not Iran's.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Saudi-Arabia-Cuts-Oil-Volumes-To-China-For-July.html

This conflict for the first time has highlighted the fact that how Russian oil can be helpful to other countries. USA and west backed OPEC is abusing the world via there own monopolies. Europe is buying gas from Russia but they want rest of the world to boycott Russia, dual standards.

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Haven't laughed so hard in a long time! Although ... This is written by a person who supports terrorism and lives in fake greatness :) Yes, then I agree, and you already captured Kyiv 3 months ago and reached the Polish border :)
I have another recommendation - accustom the body to the lack of normal products, normal equipment, normal hygiene products, and indeed a normal life - such is the fate of any supporter of Nazism, terrorism :) And remember - stolen "things" never bring happiness! For some time you will plunder (Russia does not know how to create, this is a fact) Ukrainian lands, out of genetic habit, and then retribution and punishment will come. Collective retribution, the whole country. True, those who control you will most likely cowardly leave you and run away ... to the "decaying west", to live in prosperity and human conditions, and you .. you will have to pay for many decades!

PS Adopt the experience of the inhabitants of North Korea, it will be very useful to you soon!

As stated above - the EU is purchasing the oil and gas from Russia on low prices and want the rest of the world to boycott from Russia. What is this hypocrisy?
Now the other allies IND have been purchasing OIL and selling it to EU, first the whole EU has been putting up sections on the Russia and now they all are in trouble.

Maybe Europe can always look for another alternative but I think it's hard for the European countries to boycott Russia when it comes to oil and natural gases. The europe need Russia oil Wich is a vital means for most European countries to survive. I think we have other african countries and Asia countries that sell oil too. They can be getting oil from those countries too to boycott the Russian oil.

Why do you say "low" prices? EU is currently purchasing oil and gas from Russia at much higher prices, partly because the price of energy has gone up by a lot (for example oil from $60-$70 last year to ~$120 today) and partly because of the third parties that are sometimes involved in transferring for example Russian oil to EU who would add to the final price of it for EU since they need to take their own cut.

I think it will be challenging for Europe to find an alternative source and seller of oil to them given that majority of the supplies really come from Russia. It will be hard to scout a country to offer such because oil is a natural resource which is only abundant in specific areas just like Russia and middle east. Perhaps they could find one but the price and transportation fees won't be the same just like what Russia offers.

The current conflict is still one of the main reasons why oil's price is continuously increasing. Majority of the world is affected and hopefully it won't be that long because every commodities and services are now also increasing in price which results to fewer things to be availed with the same amount of salary received.

EU has done a lot on the request of the USA and the whole world is in trouble. My country is in so much trouble.
We are with Ukraine too, but we have to see our country as well. Ukraine got so much help, but what about the people of my country who are suffering because of inflation. They are in trouble.

There lies the problem. EU and USA want this war to continue so that they can use Ukarine to fight a proxy war with Russia. Ukarine leadership must understand that EU and USA are using them. Ukarine is sharing border with Russia so it must not do anything that will instigate Russia and create problems for Ukarine.

The oil and gas disaster which has been created in the world has left us in the middle of nowhere.
The sensation over sanctioned by EU to please USA has now left us in so much trouble - on the other side IMF is asking to increase prices and put more burden on the people. There is hue and cry everywhere.

Nobody.
This topic has been discussed more than once and I don't understand why this topic has been brought up again. No one can replace Russian gas for European countries. If you deliver it from any other country in the world, except Russia, it will be very expensive and there is no point in doing it. This must be accepted as a fact. And all alternative energy sources go to the wastebasket.

Russia has already partially or completely cut off gas supplies to six European countries, including Germany, Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Bulgaria and Poland. Russian media report that Gazprom is shutting off supplies to companies that refuse to violate the terms of previously signed contracts and pay Russia for gas supplies in rubles. Deliveries to these companies amount to approximately 17.5 billion cubic meters. m of gas per year. This is slightly less than 13% of all deliveries to Europe via pipelines.

This forces the EU countries to look for a replacement for Russian gas, and they are already doing it successfully.
On June 15, representatives of Egypt, Israel and the European Union signed an agreement that supplies of liquefied gas from the Middle East to Europe will increase. Thus, another source of blue fuel supply will allow the EU countries to be less dependent on Russian gas. European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah El Sissi, Egyptian Energy Minister Tarek El Molla and Israeli Energy Minister Karin Elharrar signed the agreement at a Cairo hotel.

Egypt will ship the gas from Israel to Europe, liquefying it and exporting it by ship. According to Von der Leyen, this historic agreement is part of a program to diversify energy sources from Russia and find ways to import hydrocarbons from other countries. The European Union, in turn, will invest in the gas industry of Egypt and Israel, so that they increase production, conduct exploration of gas fields in territorial waters.

The volumes of gas supplies according to the agreement were not disclosed. In 2021, European countries imported 40% of gas from Russia. Earlier it was reported that exploration is being carried out on the shelf near Romania, there are also agreements with Norway for the supply of gas and the construction of the Baltic Pipe pipeline in 2020 across the sea.

There is nothing irreplaceable in this world. It would be desirable to look for other options. And such a desire among the EU countries appeared because of the direct blackmail of Russia.

Well, walk around the market, look for other options. It looks like Nord Stream will close completely soon and gas in Europe will rise in price even more, if +40% to the price in a couple of days seems not enough for you. Surely, for such a good price, there are other gas suppliers to Europe, except for Russia. ;D

Africa looks like the favorite client in the deal, gas pipes are already planted under the sea some time back but I don't know how effective that could be to offer some gas back up I have read a lot of unfriendly environments within that region too. So gas supply from that region cant is guaranteed.

I just checked the spot prices for European natural gas and as soon as the news came up, it increased from around $1,200 per kcu.m to $1,550 per k.cu.m. The Europeans continue to shoot themselves in the foot. Russia is not directly impacted. Any shortfall in revenue from the decreased volume will be made up with the increasing prices.

BTW, from what I heard the reason for the latest supply cut is not political. One of the pumping stations for Nord Stream 1 had to be shut down, since Siemens refused to repair it (they can't, as a result of the sanctions). So this particular section had to be shut down and it directly impacted the overall capacity of the pipeline.

The Siemens turbine was taken to Canada for repairs and cannot be brought back due to sanctions. Gazprom stopped another turbine "due to the impossibility of safe operation." As a result, in two days, the volume of gas through Nord Stream fell from 170 to 67 million tons per day, and the price of gas in Europe increased by 40%.

ps Canada reports talks with Germany on Siemens-made Nord Stream 1 equipment (https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/canada-reports-talks-with-germany-siemens-made-nord-stream-1-equipment-2022-06-16/)

Gas becomes a Russian force to suppress Europe, many European countries are very dependent on Russian gas supply, I still remember when Russia built a pipeline that reached thousands of kilometers and certainly not an easy thing to replace gas supply.

It is true that the EU will still find other alternatives, as Russia is not the only country that can produce oil and gas. But if the EU imports from Egypt and Israel, it is certain that gas from the two countries will be cheaper than from Russia and the import will not increase the cost too much or will they import oil from India while India is a big customer of Russia. Honestly, it would be impossible to find a better alternative than Russia. All of this will be a burden on EU governments and citizens, this will not make the EU better and more comfortable.

In Germany, the government is crying over Russia's further cuts of gas supplies, accusing that Russia is doing it to drive up price, WHILE the same German government is telling other European countries to stop imports of Russian Natural Gas. Hahaha.

Should Germany should actually start a new Nuclear energy program to meet their energy needs? I'm a mere pleb, I don't know. The obvious answer, yes. I believe the United Kingdom has already started.

One of the problems with nuclear power is that everything is very slow there, it will take years, if not decades, to fully resume the European nuclear program. Another problem is with the source of enriched uranium supplies, which is approximately 40% controlled by Russia. There are also difficulties with unenriched uranium, it simply does not exist in Europe, and Africa does not seem to have the necessary enthusiasm to be a cash cow for its former colonialists. Another problem is the dramatic drop in the level of competence of European engineers in nuclear power. France's attempt to build a nuclear power plant in Finland in the early 2000s ended in complete failure, exceeding the original budget by three times. In general, there are a number of serious difficulties for Europe in this direction. And given that the most powerful Zaporozhye NPP in Europe actually left the European energy system and moved into the Russian energy system, there are already difficulties with load balancing in Europe, because windmills and solar panels are an unstable source of electricity, energy generation at night and in the absence of wind (or on the contrary, if the wind is too strong), it can drop to zero on them.

I don’t know what is in the head of European politicians who are overly enthusiastic about the green agenda, but there is a suspicion, turning into confidence, that there is burnt porridge.

What alternative? The two countries that have almost half of the world's gas supplies (Russia and Iran) are not going to export anything to EU since they already have their customers and both are sanctioned by EU :D
The rest of the countries don't have enough to start replacing Russia.

Neither one have enough gas to start major exports! Egypt has 1% and Zioterrorists have less than 0.1% of global gas reserves.
The fake news posted above was only a hope to steal Iraq's gas (which isn't that much to begin with) with the help of Kurdish separatists and Zioterrorists then transfer it through Syria and Turkey to EU but the plan failed the moment Turkey's plans failed with the botched invasion of Northern Syria.

This could take some pressure off, however there must be done more. I think liquid gas can help salvage the problem. And yes invest hard in green energy will make us whole/ no more depence from Russia. Or other countries for that matter.

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Germany might have believed too much in its Renewable Energy program, that they might have thought they were not coming back to Nuclear Energy. Plus can Uranium be stored? Or can Russia use their Uranium exports to punish Europe/the U.S. again?


Shower thought. Black Swan = World War III?

I believe if Germany and the restof Europe is pushed enough, they might strike back and use Ukraine as the entry.

Germany seems to have forgotten that they have been aggressively embargoing Russia all this time and now they are actually making a joke if Russia raises oil prices ;D, it seems they are now starting to get cornered by the consequences of what they did to Russia, now Germany is reportedly starting to cooperate with Senegal to reduce dependence on gas from Russia, cooperation between Senegal and Germany is expected to be an alternative in supplying gas to the country.

The situation is actually very funny. The Germans are making a laughing stock of themselves. They were actually making a good amount of money for themselves, by milking Russia. The Nord Stream 1 meant that Germany receives Russian gas at dirt-cheap prices. The German industries were flourishing with this cheap gas, and the operator was making a lot of profit by reselling some of this gas to neighboring nations such as Poland. Also, Germany was receiving large quantities of Urals crude through the Druzhba pipeline, and the refineries in the former GDR were making billions of Euros in profit every month. Then the Germans started acting like retards. They imposed sanctions on Russia and ended up giving all the luxuries they were enjoying before.

It's strange that this is surprising to you. Russia is a very strong player in the energy market, and in many aspects (including uranium enrichment). And of course, in the context of sanctions and the actual economic war between the West and Russia, Russia will use all its weighty arguments to secure victory or at least an advantage. The United States also cannot do without the supply of enriched uranium from Russia, it provides approximately 20% of all electricity generation at nuclear power plants in the United States.


Germany now does not have a combat-ready army capable of resisting Russia. No one in NATO, including the United States, has a combat-ready army capable of resisting Russia (which is why NATO is so diligently distancing itself from direct participation in the conflict in Ukraine). Don't be fooled, most European armies are decorative, like the Vatican Guards.

update (https://t.me/gazprom/793):

OPEC countries like KSA, UAE and Kuwait are puppets of USA and they do what the master says since all of there money is residing in USA banks, Russia and Iran are rich in gas and both under sanctions but Russia is strong enough to by pass these sanctions and sell it to countries of its choice. While Iran neighbor like Pakistan are weak enough to buy gas from Iran due to USA pressure rather prefer buying expensive LNGs from Qatar. The world must end this dual face character.

Noone care for anyone. They only care for themselves. Russian were adment that they will attack Ukraine. They did it despite of the fact - on the same day Pakistani PM was on the visit to Russia. This is brought so much political instability in Pakistan too - now the people of Pakistan start believing that their PM should not have visited Russia.

Of course! Why not? And Europe should not forget about it. If European leaders do not want to stay in the winter in the cold. There is very little time left to find alternative energy sources..... which do not exist. Russia has a strong president to benefit from this situation and that would be the right thing to do.

Biden to send another $1 billion in military aid to Ukraine  (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/15/biden-to-send-another-1-billion-in-military-aid-to-ukraine-.html)

The situation is not as straight as it looks like, on one side they saying Russia has invaded Ukarine and on other side USA is continuously selling arms to Ukarine so that they can beat Russia. USA is in win-win situation, if ukarine wins its a victory for USA and even if Ukarine falls then USA has nothing to lose. The only one suffering from this war are people of Ukarine for whom no one is thinking. Big powers must sit and see what they can do to settle this issue/

don't forget that the russians only use 16% of the military power they have. Russia didn't use most of the military power they had because basically Russia didn't want to invade Ukraine because Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union. The mandatory gas payment in rubles is Russia's strategy to prevent the value of their currency from falling and on the other hand also causes America to no longer be in a "win win" situation as you say because this strategy has also been proven to make the USD value decline.

If most of the countries will start paying in Ruble - this will be a game changer. This will change the whole economy of the world.
The petrodollar deal is the basic deal which has kept dollar powerful - what would happen if the Ruble gets the same fame as dollar? Of Course the Ruble will rule.

I'm glad to see others saying this.
The days of Petrodollar are over already with emergence of 2 confronting power blocs in the wold (East versus West). All these alliances from BRICS to SCO have been working towards this day. Funny enough this bloc consist of a far bigger economy, have largest land and resources and have biggest populations among themselves!

Petrodollar isn't going to completely go away though because Europeans who politically have no power for themselves and are practically US colonies, are forced to continue using it. That means US will not fall apart as long as EU is.

Remember 1973 oil crisis when few Gulf countries created shortage of oil by stopping the oil supply? USA make sure through regime change in KSA that this never happens again and till date Gulf countries rulers are puppets of usa.
Its a good move by Russia to accept payment in rubble for oil export, may be this can be copied by other oil exporting countries also in future to break the supremacy of USA.
Europe no doubt are also acting like colony of usa and they say what usa says.

After the Second World II, Europe was destroyed and weakened. It was necessary to build houses again and rebuild cities. And the USA has played its part. The role of the lender. There were no military operations on the territory of the USA. Thus, most of the European countries became dependent on the United States and this situation has been preserved to this day.

Hope after this shitshow from Gas and Oil price hike. Every country should initiate what the French did back in 70s when the 1973 oil crisis hit them hard and forced them to switching to the nuclear powerplant. Less dependent on to Gas and Oil cartels that try their best to milk up everyone based on world events.

It is the Persian Gulf and the name should tell you who rules it. The 19 Greek ships that are not allowed to leave it because they seized only one of our tankers should also tell you who has the last say and what US can do which is nothing.
Those teeny tiny countries you are talking about such as UAE, Bahrain, Qatar and Kuwait are fake "countries" that were created to be Western puppets. Some of them don't even have as much population as one of our small cities nor have enough history has some of the trees that have existed for centuries in Iran! Nobody cares about them.
Only Saudi Arabia is a big player but we also saw what happened to their oil production when the poorest country in ME attacked them and cause their oil production to be cut by half!

Keep in mind that you can't really compare 1973 with today since that is before Iran's revolution which means it was before Iran stopped being a US colony.

P.S. one more thing I should add is that even these colonies don't listen to US anymore. Recently they rejected their boss's demand to sanction Russia and they openly said they are going to continue their good relations with Russia and they are also getting close to China which is against another demand of their boss :D

This was actually started by Iran years before Russia even thought of it. Right now we are discussing usage of a new currency among the Eastern block that could be something similar to euro.

The country is either Sovereign or Colony. I think the statement which Russians issue have a a great message.
What EU has done - without realizing what disaster they have done to the world.

Gulf countries are just slaves of USA and slaves can't say anything to master. If they are not listening to usa on Russian sanctions then this doesn't mean they are rebellion now, it's just that USA can bear this disobedience. Gulf states are in full control of usa, 100% military weapons of these Gulf countries comes from usa. These countries don't even know how to use them, while USA enjoy selling them since it tightens usa grip on these Gulf countries.

It is far more complicated than that.
It starts from the fact that US has been on a downward spiral and has been getting weaker every year. Even the colonies are recognizing this so they are increasing the pressure on US to get more benefit from being a colony. For example US hasn't sold any medium+ range weapons to any of them so they filled the gap with China, that angered US but they couldn't do anything about it!

I strongly disagree. It is just that US weapons have been grossly useless and it has been proven many times. For example when Yemenese attacked these Arabs none of the defenses that US had sold them worked. You are saying that the Arabs don't know how to use them but what about when the same people attacked US bases in Saudi Arabia and the same weapons operated by US military personnel protecting US military personnel also didn't work at all?

Today I was watching a documentary how US has toppled 100 governments in the world and how for their benefits they have changed and destroyed the countries.
Russia maybe wrong in attacking Ukraine. But Russia cannot be defeated. Europe has to go back to Russia for the oil and gas - for sure.

This is what will happen in the near future. No one can replace gas and oil from Russia, and we must be prepared for this. Now there are global changes in the world and they will continue for many more years. But we all know which country has what and what it produces. And our desires to change this fact are useless. After a while, peace will come and everything will return to its place.

Well differences apart, USA military equipment is still most reliable and modern in the world far ahead of what China and Russia are producing. Gulf countries from day one have not focused on developing military themselves rather they still rely on USA for all there defense. USA is in every gulf country for there defense like Doha, Kuwait, KSA. You cant just have a strong defense by buying expensive weapons from west, it takes years of hard work and indigenization.

Not quite sure about that. Recently Russia has been able to produce quality defense equipment at fraction of the price that the Americans pay for their equipment. One good example is that of the S-500 air defense system. It is cheaper than the American Patriot system, and much more inexpensive. The same can be said about the ICBMs as well. SS-18 Satan remains the most powerful ballistic missile manufactured till date. And I believe that Russia has also won the competition for the fifth-generation fighter aircraft. The Sukhoi Su-57 is rumored to be much more capable when compared to Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II.

Today I watched a documentary on Iran and US-regime change and found out how USA played an important role in toppling the government of Dr Musadag for the oil reservoir for Uk. The oil producing countries are always on the hit list of USA and this is happening in Russia as well. But Russia is not Iran or Iraq they have strong defence and they will not step back.

Su-57 is an excellent fifth generation fighter, thrust vectoring engines allow it to perform incredible aerobatics, such as a flat spin (however, the Su-35S can do this (https://youtu.be/14hpBzvSuyk), albeit not with such ease). A very beautiful aircraft, it is currently being tested in combat conditions in Ukraine as part of a flight of four fighters that operate in a coordinated network as one. The ability of the Su-57 to maneuver is incredible and seems to be limited only by the ability of the pilots to physically withstand the resulting G-forces.

You think that Russia is any better in that regard? They would do the same thing USA is doing all around the world if they were capable of doing it. But since they aren't, they have to satisfy with conquering bunch of smaller neighbouring countries. Or you think that they became the largest country in the world peacefully?


While I am against sanctions as they are completely useless, Europe will eventually figure things out and find the replacement. It won't of course happen over night but it will in a couple of years. If this drags on (and it probably will), life standard in Europe will go somewhat go down, while Russia will crumble like USSR did since they learned nothing from that failed experiment.

That is, in your opinion, helping Ukraine, which is fighting the terrorist attack of Russia, is NOTHING? Help in the destruction of terrorists, invaders of Ukrainian land-it's nothing? I will probably disappoint you - but it was thanks to the help of the United States, Britain, Poland and other countries that we managed to give a strong rebuff to the terrorist aggressor, inflict significant damage on him, prove the fakeness of his "military power", and now continue to effectively destroy the aggressor! The constant tantrums in the Kremlin about new arms supplies from NATO countries only proves the effectiveness of their help!

LOL.. so you are saying that Europe will find replacement in the next couple of years. What will they do until then? Maybe they will travel in donkey carts and heat their homes by burning firewood? And there is no guarantee that they will find replacement in the next 24 months. It is very simple. There is not enough supply of oil and natural gas in the world, to replace the supply from Russia. It is Europe that is going to crumble, not Russia. And already the signs are obvious. Now the catch here is that Russians are used to a life of hardship and difficult economic conditions. But can the Europeans deal with such conditions?

That's debatable but I think that would be off topic here.

As I said things are very complicated. These tiny countries at the southern part of Persian Gulf are artificial countries that were created by the Western bloc and their regimes are installed by the same powers so their very survival depends on their creators.
This is why we consider them US colonies and it is also why they have no choice but to remain in a cycle of selling oil <> buying useless US weapons. Unlike what you said, they aren't buying it for their "defense" the regimes are basically paying a high tax to ensure their existence.

Take the Patriot defense system. Each missile costs between 3 to 6 million dollar and they shoot dozens of them to bring down an aircraft worth a couple of grand and they can't do that. The aircraft comes and drops its bombs and goes back to its base while they waste tens of millions. Then they go ahead and buy more of it despite knowing how useless it is. Why? Simply because if they stop paying that "tax" the regime that was installed by US will be replaced by another one.

I used to work in a contractor who handled gas pipes, at that time I built a gas pipe that crossed the forest without occupants, to build a gas pipe was very difficult and took a long time, especially European countries which are full of settlements and public facilities so it takes longer , the easiest thing is to buy liquefied gas and then do processing.

Europe doesn't have to 100% replace, but to have alternative and not to rely so much on Russian gas. That would be step in the right direction.


Same as we are doing now, and I don't see people traveling in donkey carts. And I don't see anything wrong in using firewood to heat your home, many people still do that in rural parts of my country.


I kept listening that in while growing up in socialist Yugoslavia back in the 80s, how rotten capitalist west will crumble and we saw what happened.


That is true, Russians are used to dictators running and ruining their lives and unfortunately there's nothing they can do about it, unlike Europeans. Then again, Putin is not so young anymore (he already surpassed average male life expectancy in Russia) so who knows what will happen in the next few years.

It is already too late to think about that. EU had the opportunity to not only find the replacement but construct the very much needed infrastructure to reduce their reliance on only one supplier of energy. They didn't go for it. Now the alternative sources aren't supplying EU with the energy they so crave.

It is not feasible. For starters almost all apartments don't have any place to burn firewood to heat it up and even if they did or alterations were made, there is not enough supply of firewood to meet even a small percentage of the demand.
Do you honestly think the 84 million Germans could warm themselves with firewood when temperature drops to -40 C?

All empires crumble eventually although not overnight, Soviet Union fell, British Empire fell, ... and the Western one has been on a downward spiral for some time now.
I dare say that this could be the end of Europe unless they start making decisions independently because as long as they continue obeying US orders and play that game the result is going to continue being US and Russia benefiting from the game while Europe's economy continues crashing.

I don't see Europeans or others that fall under the same Western bloc do anything about their dictatorships either. For example what did the French do over the past month about their dictator? Nothing. Dozens of people were murdered by the dictatorship to silence the protesters. What did Canadians, Americans, Australians, ... do about their dictatorships? Nothing. They all suppressed their people when they opposed the authoritarian regime's with an iron fist.

Russia has a lot of resources to make European countries helpless, the dependence of many European countries in Russian oil and gas makes Russia not afraid to invasion of Ukraine and maybe other countries will be the same as Ukraine, Russia understands that to build a gas pipeline requires a cost and time is needed and time Long time, of course it is interesting if we continue to follow the development of the conflict involving Russia.

Your humor is amazing as always! And most importantly, so seriously, some may even decide that you are telling the truth  ;D

Aerobatics, in battle it is of course very beautiful ... The pilots will go to the "other world" beautifully :) The problem is that the "vaunted" SU-57 has nothing to do with 5th generation combat aircraft, and does not have any advantages , in front of high-tech Western-style aircraft, even 4 or 4+ generations! SU-57 in real combat operations will be destroyed long before it can identify enemy aircraft. This is a fact :) Yes, and the concept of air combat in Russia is a close battle by analogy with the battles of the Second World War. In Ukraine, "unparalleled" SU and MIGs are even shot down by obsolete Stingers, which is why the aviation of the "second most powerful army in the world" is primitively afraid to fly into the territory controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine with "completely destroyed air defense and aviation." Don't believe? Listen to the Russian General Staff - a great comedy show! :)

Well, some information about this "classic Russian" anal-shit" :) Do not be surprised by this definition - in Russian the words "no analogues", when pronounced, turn into reality, which in recent years the Russians themselves have called all their "unique new weapons - and this is exactly "anal - shit" (there are no analogues -> analog shit on russian - aнaлoгoв нeт -> aнaлo гoвнeт) :)
So:
1. To date, since 2010, only 9 flying, flight prototypes have been released. Only 10 but 1 of them is for ground testing
2. Engine. The one that will, according to the fantasies of the developers, make it possible to perform turns and other circus exercises. He's NOT READY! His working sample is NOT! They already tried to put it into operation in 2016, when real samples of the SU-57 were supposed to be on duty, and in 2017, and every year they promised - "for sure next year." But, like everything in Russia, these are just promises :) For today, the latest OFFICIAL information is this: "The fifth-generation Su-57 fighter from 2027 will go to the troops with a new engine." This is if Russia remains on the map until 2027, which is in doubt :)

PS The other day another SS was shot down (not SU57, don't go gray :)), the pilot was taken prisoner. He was lucky - the parachute was laid by members of the PMC Wagner, so it opened up, most of the pilots of the regular army of Russia - the parachutes do not open :) So - professional pilots in Russia are running out, you have to attract PMCs, guess where the pilots of the Russian military comic forces have gone? :)


ADD: Speaking of a flat corkscrew. Back in a distant distant year, when the drawing paper was just laid out to start sketching the SU-27, the F 16 was already flying in the USA at full speed. And do you know what it was doing in the sky? A flat spin, as well as a hover, as well as a somersault! Learn history! :)

I am not in the favour that EU and other countries boycott Russia for the purchase of oil and gas. I have read that finland depends on Russia for the whole supply of oil and gas. And in coming days when the weather will be be cold local will eat up the gov if there is energy crisis.

Europeans still believe that they are living in the 19th century and the world revolves around them. Winter is just 4-5 months away and the European citizens are going to suffer when their governments starts to ration the gas supply. Either the industrial units need to close down, resulting in millions of lost jobs or tens of millions of citizens will be left on their own in the freezing cold without adequate heating. On top of that, whatever limited supplies of natural gas available will be priced at 2x or 3x of the current prices.

Qatar and US is a biggest LNG Exporter, May be Qatar and US could emerge as a gas supplier to Europe in future. US president Joe Biden and his counterpart at the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, announced a joint task force aimed at finding alternative supplies of ILNG and reducing demand for natural gas moving forward. On other hand, Qatari minister, who is also president and CEO of QatarEnergy said "Europe has been a destination for us, and is an important market for us and we will be supplying Europe in future".

The problem becomes very complex and it cannot be avoided because of the domino effect,
when the government will eventually ration the gas supply it will burden its citizens,
This problem is really serious and we'll see what happens later

While on the other hand Russia supplies are diverted to countries like China and India, Pakistan also tried to buy Russian oil but USA did a regime change operation in Pakistan that resulted in pro-usa government. Russia is losing not much from Europe boycott, its the EU that will be biggest loser in this game.

Russia is neither gaining nor losing. Their export volume has got reduced due to the sanctions. But at the same time their revenues are up, thanks to the higher prices for crude oil, gas, potash, wheat and coal. The real gainers here are countries such as Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Iraq who are witnessing an increase in their export of fossil fuels. Their volumes are up, and so are the prices. And on the other side, the losers are net importers of fossil fuels, such as India, China, Japan, European Union, Pakistan and smaller African nations.

Oil producing countries are never at loss, unless an invader comes in and destroy the economy like Iraq and Iran.
Russia has obviously a very strong defence having 7000 nukes is not a joke. They are at the top when it comes to defence. So they know how to run the market - the only at loss are those who are disconnecting their terms with Russia.

You have heard enough of the fantastic propaganda of the Russian media and politicians. The reality is much simpler and more trivial.

Russia has only gas, oil and timber. Through the sale of which they live. Everything else is a backward misunderstanding. Oil is now bought from them for a penny by China and India. The real price of transactions is about $40 per barrel. The forest is also cut down by thousands of hectares every day in China. So far, only gas remains, which is somehow still sold in the EU. But soon this stream of income will also be reduced.
At the same time, there are still a lot of countries where oil and gas are produced. They are ready to supply it to the EU. Of course, some work is needed to change the supply scheme and a little finishing of the infrastructure... At the same time, those countries suffer from the economic terror of Russia, in the EU... where the rulers sold their countries and the interests of countries, for handouts from the Kremlin! Such is the fate of the villain)
But after changing gas suppliers, Russia will be left with its own gas, but without everything else - currency, technology, quality goods and equipment. By the way, they have nowhere to put their gas - they will have to stop production ... And all because in Russia almost all oil and gas revenues go to thieves and crooks like Putin and his friends. But for the development of the country they have long "put a big device" (I'm sure you understand which one. :)). As they say - forward to the stone age :)

Yes. You are right. Only ones who are losing here are the countries which refuse to purchase cheaper products from Russia. Germany would have never become a major industrial powerhouse without the cheap gas from Russia. Back in 1970s, the first socialist chancellor Willy Brandt took steps to construct gas pipeline from the USSR to FRG, as per the Ostpolitik policy. This step benefited FRG much more than the USSR. With cheap gas from Siberia, the German manufacturers were able to destroy the competition from Japan and the United States. Now they are forgetting all this, and in the end only their industries are going to suffer.

In US they are currently discussing a law (that existed before too) in order to ban all energy exports. That includes oil, oil products and gas. They fake exploded their Texas facility to halt exports of LNG to Europe for at least 6 months.

The thing about Europe is that they are caught between two sides and are being kicked around like a ball. The reason for it is because none of them have independence! They simply take orders from US which means they are providing US interests not EU's interest!
Funny thing is that they always complain about how the decisions they make in European Union is terrible for their countries and yet they make those decisions and enforce them too. :D

Let's assume that this is true. Then it means that Europe's economy is fucked because they are paying about 3x more for the same energy that their competitors are paying. EU economy survives with its industries and products. If those products end up being 3x more expensive than the same product coming out of the competition (that is buying energy at 1/3 price) then nobody is going to buy shit from EU anymore.

The result would be EU economy and industries shrinking and more Russian energy being purchased by the replacements because THEIR economy and industries are expanding now...

This is not true, stop spreading false information. The real price of Russia's oil contracts with India and China is unknown to you, because this is classified commercial information. According to rumors from sources close to reliable, it is known that the maximum discount for Ural oil was 30-35% in the spring and the average transaction price as of April 1 was $80.5 per barrel (Russia's budget for 2022 was drawn up at the rate of $44.2 per barrel).

Here in India, the oil companies are reporting that they are paying somewhere around $70 to $80 per barrel for Russian crude oil, which would indicate a discount of $30 to $40 per barrel. But a part of this discount is eaten up by higher freight charges and insurance cost. What is attractive here is the fact that payments are being made either in Indian Rupee or the UAE Dirham, which is convenient for India. Even after all the additional expenses, the Indian refineries are in net profit of at least $20 per barrel, which translates to tens of millions of USD per shipment from Russia.

 ;D ;D ;D

Oh, you really don't like it? Not as beautiful as in Russian propaganda? Well, what can I say - this is your problem. Get back to reality, get rid of propaganda, learn a lot of new things. But just screaming and kicking "No no no, it's not true" is not an argument. And remember the most important thing - the truth, no matter how they try to distort or hide it - ALWAYS becomes available, it cannot be hidden, like the crimes of the rashists who are passed off as "salvation". Come back to reality, here Russia may not look so fabulously "sweet", but it's true! :)

You can draw any numbers here, we know that Russian propaganda will put the price tag "White" on black, and deny any facts, if only to continue their line of lies.

PS If the clergy have incense as a means to exorcise demons, then to expel rashism from people, you must use the TRUTH :)

ADD What do you think - why did Russia suddenly classify some of the information about the budget? :)

India recently reduced oil prices in country after they hit a deal with Russia for cheap oil import. Pakistan also tried to buy Russian oil but USA did an operation regime change in Pakistan and now there is new government in Pakistan which is not buying oil from Russia. India and China are taking full advantage of this situation and buying cheap oil from Russia.

One thing can be said with certainty - having your own oil and gas is very profitable. If you have a product, there will always be buyers. For better or worse, there will be people who want to make money by reselling your product. But if you have nothing and want to have something, then please pay money. You have no other choice and will never.

Well, look - you understand what's going on! :) Yes, yes, yes, that's right - corruption and pocket agreements with terrorists led to the fact that:
- Germany bought oil from a terrorist country, at 70-80 dollars per barrel
- When the EU refused to buy "bloody oil", Russia, as not only technologically backward, but also infrastructurally undeveloped, has no choice but to sell the surplus to those who are not bothered by the "smell of money." True, China, as the elder brother of Russia, ordered the price to be reduced to $40. India, I'm sure, did the same! And what - someone else will buy such volumes of oil from a terrorist?
What the EU pays is the price of betrayal of national interests by a bunch of corrupt officials at the top of power. I repeat once again - for all crimes comes retribution. Sometimes the innocent answer. By the way, friends who live in Germany write that many "questions" have appeared for the government and the ruling party, soon they will get to Schroeder and Merkel, we will find out how they lay at the feet of an international terrorist ...

But this boycott is still having no effect on Russia military invasion they are still in ukarine. According to latest news Russia saying  that they came to Ukarine not to fully conqueror it but to show there deterrence to USA and Europe. USA and Europe are afraid of jumping into this war and are just relying on boycott factor.

^^^ According to the International Energy Agency, Russia earnt more than $20 billion per month so far in 2022 from their fossil fuel exports. Here is the link:

https://www.businessinsider.in/stock-market/news/russia-is-earning-20-billion-per-month-in-oil-sales-as-higher-crude-prices-lift-export-revenue-50-says-iea/articleshow/91525171.cms

Now do you want to say that the IEA is a proxy of Russia? I am not sure whether that will work. On top of that, some of the experts have suggested that a few shipments to China and India have occurred under the radar and these are not tracked by the IEA. Anyway, from what I could see business goes on as usual in Russia. Back in February, Brandon and his cronies were predicting a complete economic meltdown in two weeks time.

Agree with you completely! You are telling the truth, everything is correct. But this is contracted oil under old contracts. Now, in connection with the refusal of the EU to buy oil in a terrorist country, these volumes are bought out by some countries at a price of about $40 per barrel. And this is also true! So don't worry, everything in your data is correct. And soon India will improve its situation even more, you will buy oil from the Kremlin for 10 dollars, they will still have nowhere to put it, and nowhere to store it! Well, the status of Russia as a terrorist country and a pariah country will give you unique discounts :)

You are lying (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-28/as-g-7-talks-price-caps-russian-oil-gets-more-expensive).

Gas becomes a Russian political force to make Europe unable to do much, Russia understands that to make a gas pipeline it takes a large cost and a long time, even very difficult to find gas reserves because global gas consumption continues to increase.

This is how the beginning of the decline of the Russian under-empire looks like! :)

In June 2022, supplies of liquefied natural gas (LNG) from the United States to Europe exceeded Gazprom's exports to the region. This was announced on Twitter by the head of the International Energy Agency (IEA) Fatih Birol.

"Russia's recent sharp cuts in natural gas supplies to the EU have resulted in this being the first month in history that the EU is importing more gas via LNG from the US than via pipeline from Russia," Birol wrote.

He added that the EU needs to make efforts to reduce domestic demand for gas and prepare for a harsh winter.

Read more on RBC:
https://www.rbc.ru/business/01/07/2022/62be8b379a7947572d661d5e




No, you are constantly carrying the slogans of the Kremlin propaganda. And that's a total lie :)
You spent 24 hours to find an article that says something completely different, and you are trying to present it as proof that you are right :) No need to twist the situation and manipulate the information again. Once again, I repeat for you - China (for sure) and very likely India (I can’t check, but I’m sure that it did the same in this situation), they buy out EXTRA oil at a dumping price, which now does not enter the EU in the same volumes. Chinese brokers are voicing a price of about $40 per barrel. Like it or not, it's a fact! Listen less to the Kremlin's propaganda, and spread it less - this is information garbage! :)

This is not true, and in the link I provided above there is a price chart for Russian Ural oil. Your unsubstantiated statements are groundless, take the trouble to provide a prooflink or stop spreading deliberately false information on the forum.

US increased the exports to EU by a little bit since it is summer and they don't need it and Russia cut the supply to EU by so much that EU is mostly starved for gas even though it is still summer. In other words the important part that you didn't mention here is that EU's need for gas is not met by US supply. Not to mention that the recent explosion in the biggest LNG export facility in Texas reduced that export which could last for at least 6 months.

Here is a chart:
https://i.imgur.com/1vNS4Nq.jpg

This situation has allowed Russia to redirect the course of its fuel trade towards India and China. Of course, Russia sells this oil at a big discount. Gas sales to Europe continue, and soaring energy prices equalize this difference, perhaps even increase Russia's profits.

So we need to trust BBC news like the propaganda media of the west! Come on don't try to show us whom to trust and whom not to. We have seen this before how western media spread fake news and fact. I am not saying Russian media is 100% honest in these but I do not trust western media also. There is some different news that doesn't make all of the western news to be 100% accurate.

The media in general is the most false thing ever, whether it's western or eastern. So it's better verify the info you get or just be skeptical in advance

if I should ask this question which country have the highest oil producing in the world because the price of oil should not be a something that will affect every country if they have reduced the price of oil I think any of the country and their price of Boeing determine how their economy is being Rich so that should not be a problem to any of the country I see around

Good question but I'm sure some country will fill the void as this would be a monetary and political opportunity to look good, save face, and/or reputation restoration.  Long term strategy, I'm sure renewables is part of the plan or at least the conversation.

The problem seems to be that renewable energy needs to be more if european governments plan to keep people's homes warm during winters. Germany being forced by the circunstances to move back to coal amid this gas crisis speaks much of how renewable energy is going, at least in that country for now.

True and I get what you're say, but I did say long term strategy, meaning not part of the immediate, short term, or mid tem strategy.  I think with what's going on, coal has to be a consideration in the immediate, short, and mid term.  When looking at energy policy and strategy shits, must be evaluated and implemented on a few fronts to eventually achieve the long term desired outcome.

That is correct and I am sure every buyer will go back to Russia to fulfill the supply - Finland on the other side is wholly dependent on Russia for their oil and gas supply. They won't be able to survive the power crisis if they don't trade oil and gas from Russia... This is the need of time when everyone is fighting their survival battle. . Only the fittest survive.

BBC has an agenda and they operate in every country to achieve objectives of England and USA. Small countries cant take action against BBC since it has backing of Super power aka England. But when they mess with big powers like China they got a blistering reply like China banned BBC back in Feb 2021 because of there propaganda campaign about covid19.
BBC did fake propaganda campaign about regime change in Pakistan but Pakistan being a weak country only protested on BBC fake news. Below is link of BBC news which was rejected by Pakistani government but its still on there website. Use Google English translator to view the news.

https://www.bbc.com/urdu/pakistan-61055639

Every country has to follow what Americans say. If they do not follow their instrustions they are at loss. Like Sri Lanaka and Pakistan, Earlier in Iran there we a huge regime change when Dr Musadaq went into custody and died of cancer because raising voice against regime change.

Yes, I don’t care what schedule, or other information, you will manipulate, for ephemeral happiness, self-hypnosis, that everything is fine in Russia!  ;D
You can draw any graphs, but I know what is happening in Russia, how the vaunted economy, the military industry is heading into the abyss. How "Great Russia" begging for weapons from its neighbors. As in Russia, I adopt anti-human laws in order to at least somehow satisfy the nonsense of a pathetic likeness of Hitler. How literally in a year the economy degraded to a level similar to the level after the First World War. In a word - propaganda and lies - leave for the inhabitants of Russia, they live by this and love it very much! :)

And once again - it is the Chinese traders who provide information on deals, on oil. And at the moment, all the oil that additionally poured from Russia to China is bought by China (as China ordered Russia), in the region of $40 per barrel. Whether you like it or not, this is the reality :)

One thing is also for sure - - that India is very smart - they play good. They have terms with USA and they have terms with RUssia.
How they do that - I heard Pakistani PM on DW's TV he got very angry while giving interview - he said he priority in his country men and not the whole world.

A small chronology of "Russia's successes", literally over the past week (all facts can be verified!):

- The Russians plundered the museums of Mariupol. Original paintings by Aivazovsky and Kuindzhi stolen
- Lavrov left the meeting of the G20 Foreign Ministers in disgrace, after the total boycott of the representative of the country of the world terrorist, by the participants of the meeting
- A large energy project worth 37 billion was stopped due to sanctions - General Electric refused to supply a new turbine for the Zainskaya GRES in Tatarstan, and Putler "raised Russia from its knees" in such a way that without General Electric turbines, Zainskaya GRES will not be upgraded, but closed.
- "Tasty - and the point" (stolen McDonald's) removed french fries from the menu due to crop failure. Potatoes are expected to return to the menu in the fall. But it is not exactly...
- The largest lead plant in Russia, Fregat, has been shut down. Four more lead enterprises are on the verge of stopping - Ryaztsvetmet, Ecorusmetall, Agropribor and UMMC.
- In Russia, presented 5 models of the new car "Moskvich". It sounds very patriotic, if not for a single "but" - they, as expected, turned out to be models of the Chinese manufacturer JAC, who condescendingly allowed the Russians to assemble them under their Moskvich nameplate. Nameplates "Moskvich" Russia will also ask China to produce, since they themselves do not have the technology for this :)
- Oil prices began to plummet amid a statement by Deputy Head of the Security Council of Russia Dmitry Medvedev in his Telegram channel about the growth in oil prices "above the predicted astronomical price of 300-400 dollars." I love Russian clowns-morons :)
- As a result of limiting the price of Russian oil, the possibility of which was agreed last week by the leaders of the G7, this product can become cheaper for buyers by about half the current price. Now $40 per barrel will be not only for India and China :) And for India and China it will be $20 each. As always, "Russia outplayed everyone" by shooting itself in both legs and ass :)
- On Monday, July 5, Russian oil was trading at $80 per barrel. This is the spot price ("here and now"). So China and India are buying oil below $40 per barrel (waiting for clarification)
- Iran and Russia are increasingly reducing oil prices in the struggle for the Chinese market. Moscow began actively supplying oil to China after the invasion of Ukraine, as sanctions significantly reduced the ability of the Russian Federation to export raw materials to Europe. Therefore, Iranian producers have to reduce the price of their oil, as China remains the only major market for rogue states such as the Russian Federation and Iran.
As a result, Urals has halved in price in two months amid a decline in dollar prices and a fake/artificial strengthening of the ruble.



.... but Russia is whipping up hysteria "you have nothing to replace our gas" :) In fact, it sounds like this - "keep buying our gas and oil, we will get ass without it! We can't do anything ourselves, except pull oil out of holes and gas! And then, if Western technologies help us. We do not want to go to the Stone Age, buy our gas! ;D

I did a little bit of research on the real reasons behind this and couldn't find anything. This could explain the reasons for the Chinese/Indian support for the Russian invasion, but if Russia suffers such heavy losses, why should it continue the war? I do not imagine that its production capacity is capable of challenging market prices in this way at the same time, and I do not expect that the countries supporting it sell products to Russia at half their price .

Why should she continue the war? Because the king of Russia is an idiot maniac, and the population is obedient slaves - he can indulge in their lives as he wants! Putin and his gang have a lot of money, of course in dollars and euros, and of course in Western banks, and 100 million obedient slaves will execute, in the heat of propaganda, any idiotic ideas of their miserable Fuhrer :) Plus, you need to understand that Putin lives in "parallel reality", where Russia is the most powerful power, it has the most powerful army, everyone around is cowards, fascists and gays, stupid and uncultured, backward and depraved! And his divine mission is to teach this world to live "tightly", as in Russia, because the whole world is shit, and only Russia is a diamond among a heap of manure :)

What happens next is almost like in cosmology - if the Soviet Union "exploded" like an old weak star that burned all its resources, and fell apart "into a bunch of fragments", then Russia will collapse into a black dot like huge North Korea :)


And the fact that "friends of Russia" such as China and India will use them to the fullest is beyond any doubt! They will buy the resources of the Russian Federation for a penny, and sell their goods to them at full price. China and India are not idiots - to save a loser country at their own expense!

From this perspective, all wars are absurd, and thus we cancel all those historical narratives about states' strategies and intelligence interests.
Your talk seems logical to a large extent, but it is really difficult for me to accept that a giant authority like Russia, with its arms extended to protect its interests in all parts of the world, takes decisions based on whims and not from an objective study of reality.
And to be frank, I was somewhat convinced that Russia wants to put an end to NATO's presence on its borders by getting its hands on Ukraine as well as protecting its interests from selling gas to Europe. But when I read information about it selling oil for half its price, I really feel that something is missing from my analysis and that things may be much deeper.

Absolutely agree with your assumption. When I tell people who do not live in Russia and Ukraine what Russia is doing, they tell me - "hey guy, stop it! It can't be like that! They're not complete idiots!".
.... But then I turn on Russian channels to them, show documentary footage .. And they sit, with frozen bewilderment on their faces, and say "no ... well, it shouldn't be like that ... This is nonsense! ... But so it is!... How can this be?"

Believe me - what seems abnormal to a normal person is the norm in Russia :)


"And to be frank, I was somewhat convinced that Russia wants to put an end to NATO's presence on its borders by getting its hands on Ukraine as well as protecting its interests from selling gas to Europe." - on this occasion, I say very simple, logical, and, importantly, easily verifiable information: before Russia's terrorist attack on Ukraine, Ukraine had NO PLANS TO JOIN NATO! There was only a desire to switch to new, progressive standards of building an army according to the Western model, instead of the morally, technically and ideologically outdated concept of building an army according to the "Soviet".

It is also easy to prove the lies of other Russian propaganda narratives, just double-check them, and soon you will understand what is actually being built on a LIE!

WE have gone through enough after this Ukraine and Russia war.
The inflation and the regime change and trouble all over the world is really now unbearable.

What kind of nonsense are you talking about? Plans for Ukraine's accession to NATO are enshrined in the Constitution of Ukraine (http://www.golos.com.ua/article/313949).

I agree with your well-founded prediction.  I think China and India will not supply any gas to Europe when they don't want to be in the middle of that wheel, their advantages are fully ready for choosing the more maximum option, they  also understands that Russia cannot touch a decaying order and become a black mark on the map.  Another option is that Africa is open but it is unlikely that they can increase production to supply gas to Europe

The big is seen from a distance. I would like to look at the situation with Russian oil and gas supplies at least in two or three years. When the countries of Europe will almost completely abandon these energy sources from Russia and how this will affect Russia itself. Russia spent a long time and expensively building Nord Stream 2 in order to bypass Ukraine in their transportation if the opportunity arises. Now this is an empty expense. But the main thing is that Europe FOREVER refuses Russian oil and gas and Russia will lose the possibility of eternal pressure and blackmail of European countries. These are big problems, first of all, for Russia itself. Europe will find where to buy them and how to replace them. Moreover, they set a course for their gradual replacement with alternative energy sources even before the war unleashed by Russia in Ukraine. But Russia cannot stop oil and gas production, and their reduction will lead to big losses for Russia itself. Therefore, Russia will definitely lose here in the future ...

Just wishful thinking from you. Nord Stream 2 cost Gazprom around €9.5 billion. Russia earns more than double that amount every month from their energy exports. And by the time EU is able to fully remove their dependence on Russia, the latter will also be able to diversify their supplies. Power of Siberia 2 pipeline is expected to get completed by 2030. It will carry 50 billion cubic meters of Russian gas to China. And this is in addition to the existing Power of Siberia 1 pipeline, which is having a capacity of 38 billion cubic meters.

Of which exactly half was paid by the European companies Engie, OMV, Shell, Uniper and Wintershall. Nord Stream-2 is not a Russian project, but a joint Russian-European project with equal financial participation.

While Russian propaganda is spoiling the brains of its listeners, the EU is taking concrete steps to say "Russia goodbye" in the near future :)

"....The European Union is facing the risk of a further shutdown of gas supplies from Russia due to the Kremlin weaponizing gas exports, with almost half of our member states already affected by supply cuts. Taking action now could reduce both the risk, and the cost to Europe in the event of further or complete disruption, strengthening Europe's energy resilience.
So today the Commission is proposing a new legislative instrument and a European Gas Demand Reduction Plan to cut Europe's gas consumption by 15% until next spring. All consumers, governments, households, public building owners, electricity providers and industry can and should take steps to save gas. The Commission will also accelerate work on supply diversification, including joint gas purchases, to enhance the EU's ability to find alternative sources of gas supplies.
The Commission proposes a new Council Regulation on coordinated measures to reduce demand for gas based on Article 122 of the Treaty. The new Regulation will set a target for all Member States to reduce gas demand by 15% between 1 August 2022 and 31 March 2023. The new Regulation will also give the Commission the opportunity to announce, after consultation with the Member States, a "Union Warning ". on the security of supply by introducing a mandatory reduction in demand for gas for all Member States."

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_22_4608

Rather, the EU is taking concrete steps to collapse, because Portugal, Spain, Italy, Poland, Hungary and Greece have already announced their unwillingness to reduce gas consumption by 15% and protested the EU decision.

If you carefully study the problems, and do not suddenly draw gloomy forecasts for everyone out of habit, in order to fulfill propaganda goals, you will learn a lot of interesting things! :)
For example:
- Russian gas accounts for approximately 40% of EU gas consumption (according to the International Energy Agency).
- Portugal: gas in the country's energy system is approximately 25%. At the same time, approximately 15% of 100% of the purchased gas is of Russian origin, i.e. about 4% in the country's energy balance :)
- Spain: in fact, similar to Spain, about 5% of the country's energy balance is Russian gas.
- Italy: gas in the energy system of the country is 40%. At the same time, approximately 42% of 100% of the purchased gas is of Russian origin. But - the Italians can thank Berlusconi, an old ally of the Kremlin terrorist, it was he who allowed the Italian market to be so heavily monopolized. In short, hello Berlusconi :)
- Hungary: the Kremlin's longtime pet dog that will squeal against any move against Russia's interests.
- Greece: Approximately 35% of the total gas consumption is Russian. Not a big problem :) And in general, she is for those who give them money, today she can be against the EU and for Russia, tomorrow she will be for the EU and against Russia, and the day after tomorrow in general for China :)

And most importantly - if you read between the lines, you understand that a 15% reduction in consumption is aimed precisely at reducing purchases of Russian gas! :)

In total, from the countries cited to you, subject to slightly incomplete information (they will reduce the consumption of Russian gas in the first place), 2 countries do not care at all (give a link - who exactly is against it?)

1 country, Italy, like Germany, is a victim of betrayal of the interests of their country by the government, represented by Berlusconi. It will just be a good lesson for the Italians.

1 country - will always bark at what Russia pointed out

1 country will have to get used to other realities. But I think the EU will throw money again, and Greece will be very much in favor of the program to reduce gas consumption from Russia :)

A recommendation for you - in order not to look stupid and populist, study more deeply the topic that you decide to discuss!

You have no idea how deep I know this issue. It is precisely in the heterogeneity of the dependence on Russian gas of different countries of the European Union that the problem of developing a single solution lies. And the more a heap of economic problems grows in Europe, the more difficult it is for the European Union to maintain a united front in anti-Russian sanctions. Germany is already openly sabotaging both sanctions and arms deliveries. And you can't just brush Germany aside because, as a donor, it supports and feeds half a dozen European dwarf countries. Attempts to fill the fire of problems with money, we have already seen what it leads to in the example of covid (but in fact it began much earlier, with the mortgage crisis in the US in 2008 - and Nakamoto created bitcoin with a clearly predictable emission model precisely in response to these events, thanks to which we can have that conversation here today). Now Europe and the whole world are reaping the fruits of those wrong decisions in the form of an unprecedented spike in inflation for developed countries. Even the ECB is already forced to start raising the key rate, and this directly means the end of the era of cheap money. Each percentage increase in the key rate for the US and the EU is a hundred billion dollars and euros of overhead costs in the form of interest on debt servicing.

I believe no country will be able to manage the supply of oil and gas apart from Russia.
Every country will in EU will return back to Russia that is the only solution the other solutions will take time and a lot of money so lets get back to the Russia

I didn't find much to add after reading the previous comments, so I would like to point out an important point that may be missing from some. There have been attempts for more than a decade to abandon the flow of Russian gas to Europe for fear, for the main reason being to reduce the strength of Russia, which began to recover after the collapse of the Soviet Union. I began to notice this by trying to overthrow the regime in Syria to facilitate the laying of gas pipelines from the State of Qatar, and of course Russia stood by this by providing the Syrian regime with the necessary support, including military forces, weapons, money and all that was needed. When the countries failed to bring down Syria, they turned directly to Ukraine and put it in the mouth of the cannon to influence Russia. Who benefits? America, of course. Who is affected? European countries that follow Mama America.

Now Biden has gone to Saudia Arabia To ask for Oil. What a joke - they have been putting sanctions on Russia - destroyed the world's economy and now asking Saudia to give them oil.
So in the quest to destroy Russia and Afghanistan and Pakistan and Srilanka - the world is in trouble.

Poor Saudi Arabia. If they dont give oil for free, then they should be ready that intelligence will find "nuclear weapons" or other thread, and open hands wide to welcome uncle Sam and democracy.

Biden is in trouble because Midterm elections are approaching . . and democrats are in more power.
The end of US - Afghan war was another set back to Biden administration - and this inflation and oil crisis is going to affect the midterm elections.

That pipeline was supposed to go from Northern Iraq (in control of separatists) to Turkey and then to Europe. Syria doesn't even come in. Even from Qatar it could go to Iraq then to Turkey then to Europe.
Syrian war was a lot more complicated game to destabilize the whole region and Russia wasn't even interested in this conflict for years. Iranians have been in that war from the start fighting against the US backed terrorists. After some time we convinced Russia to provide some air support to help speed up the process of getting rid of terrorists in Syria.

Sorry for the offtopic, what kind of aggravation does Israel have towards Iran? Are they seriously threatening to use force?

The Zionists have an aggravation against everyone who is not a Zionist but unlike other genocidal maniacs like Nazis or ISIS, they were wise enough to only wage war against a smaller group instead of the whole world.
Basically they have a 3 step plan:
1. To first create a country which they happened 70 years ago.
2. To expand it between "two waters" (as demanded by their religion) ie. from the Mediterranean sea all the way to Indian ocean.
3. To cleanse the world of anybody who is not born a Zionist (as part of their religion to usher in the end of the world)

The second step required murdering more than 100 million people and occupying Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and a bunch of other tiny countries. They were progressing too, for example in 70's they declared war against the entire Middle East and during those wars thousands of people were massacred, countries were being defeated one after the other like Egypt military that was wiped out in a couple of hours, Lebanon that was occupied, parts of Syria that were occupied, Saudi military that was obliterated, etc.

Then 1979 comes and there is a revolution in Iran and the weak Monarchy is replaced by Islamic Republic and IRI gives its full support to the Palestinian cause to put an end to the genocide. After some years everything starts changing. All those achievements mentioned above are taken away, the occupied lands are liberated and the Zionist regime starts facing defeat after defeat.
Long story short, after 43 years not only all those countries are liberated and are safe but also now Palestine itself is starting to be revived  and Palestinians are moving towards taking back their homes that were taken away by force 70 years ago. The regime that was once in an offensive mode is now in a full defensive mode and each war is getting shorter and shorter with the result being their defeat.

Obviously they hate the main reason that put an end to their genocide, which is Iran.

No that is purely psychological warfare.

Regular people in Iran may get worried when hearing such threats for the first time (which is what they want) but if they take a simple look at the maps they can see the size difference, the distance, the geographical advantage, etc. all make such attacks impossible.
This is all not to mention the military superiority of Iran or the fact that Iran and its allies have already surrounded the occupied lands while Iran's mainland is more than a thousand kilometers away.

The most ridiculous thing about this over-match is the the time it takes to attack. They say it would take the Zionists between 30 to 45 minutes to reach Iran (that's assuming they can reach and aren't shut down midway) to try to hit a couple of targets but it would take Iran's missiles between 10 to 15 seconds to wipe out the entire Israel.

Not many countries can produce gas, especially to build a gas network very difficult and requires very high costs, after Russia succeeded in controlling the supply of gas in many European countries, this is bad because of European dependence on Russian gas so that when there is a conflict helpless.

I deeply respect your encyclopedic culture, so to speak.
You seem to me to be familiar with the whole scene in the Middle East and not just say a word based on a quick internet search. Your knowledge of the protocols of Zionism and their greatest dream of the State of Israel, stretching from the ocean to the Gulf, caught my attention.
Well, but I do not agree with you in the general idea that Israel invaded and occupied parts of the Arab countries neighboring Palestine in implementation of that great project and that it declined due to the rise of Iranian power. This seems to me very far from what the books of history tell us.
I will try to summarize the idea by focusing on the roots of the Iranian-Israeli conflict.
Since the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, the Arabs have allied themselves in a war against it within the framework of the so-called Arab unity, backed by the Soviet Union, which led that war by proxy, since Israel is supported by America and the West. In 1967, Israel succeeded in invading all of southern Lebanon, the Sinai desert (Egypt) and the Shebaa Farms (Syria) after violating the armistice resolution approved by the United Nations and called the Arab setback. The situation remained as it was until 1973, when Egypt managed to recover the Sinai desert in what was called the War of Transit. All this, and there was no presence of Iran as a military force in the region until 1979, when the Islamists rose to power in Iran and supported ideologically loyal factions in Lebanon to be able to liberate southern Lebanon in 1982.
That religious group in Lebanon (Hezbollah) posed a threat on the northern borders of Israel, since Iran was providing them with weapons through its pro-Syrian, but Syria has not been able to date to recover the occupied Shebaa Farms since 1967.
The main problem between Israel and Iran began when the Iranian nuclear intentions were discovered, which became a regional threat to Israel, which was the only nuclear power in the region and therefore would be at the forefront of the cannon if an armed conflict broke out between Iran and the West, and for this we always see Iran threatening to target Israel when the conflict with the West intensifies.
Iran is currently leading wars in Yemen and Iraq, but this is in the context of the conflict with the West and not directly with Israel.

Meanwhile, Latvia has resumed buying Russian gas through an intermediary (https://www.delfi.lv/bizness/biznesa_vide/latvijas-gaze-atsakusi-pirkt-dabasgazi-no-krievijas.d?id=54589290).

If you buy not directly from Gazprom and pay not in rubles, but in euros, then gas becomes more democratic. ;D

AFAIK the peace treaty was signed in 1979 (same year as Iran's revolution) and it takes until 1982 for Egyptians to take Sinai desert back.

Actually Iran didn't have any serious military presence outside Iran until early 2000's.

You see after the revolution in 1979 since Iran booted US out and the tensions started growing there was an 8 year war which is the largest land battles after WWII until today. So from 1980 to 1988 Iran is defending against a full invasion and Iranians are practically defending against about 80 countries while Iran is abandoned by everyone.
It is also worth mentioning that Iran didn't have any military infrastructure in those days. It was so bad that Iranians couldn't even build bullets for their guns let alone build any advanced equipment (radars, missiles, rockets, aircraft, naval units) or even maintain stuff they already owned back then like the manned planes.

After the war ends and Iran emerges victoriously, there is about a decade of construction which brings us to 2000's and Bush's dream of invading Iran; as general W.K. Clark said the order they received was to destroy 7 countries in 5 years (Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan & Iran) to destabilize the region; and hence the Iran's serious military presence and US defeat years later.

The Lebanese resistance was formed in early 80's after their country was occupied in order to liberate those parts.
During this time Iran was already at its own war as I explained above and was starved for weapons since literary nobody sold Iran anything and until then there was no infrastructure to build anything domestically either. Don't look at now that Iran is a big exporter of most advanced weapons, that took decades to build.

In fact despite what the media has always said, what Iran supply its allies with has not been weapons, but its the ideology. The simple ideology of defense, resistance and self reliance. Which is why Yemenis who are in the worse blockade in history have advanced missiles and drones. They built it themselves.

Well complete victory has not yet been achieved against the occupiers. After all Palestine is not yet liberated.

I disagree because apart from what is reported in the media, everyone knows what the real intentions of Iran's nuclear program is. It is a peaceful program for hundreds of peaceful benefits of nuclear science.
- Every intelligence agency like CIA have already confirmed that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program. Just google CIA director statements and you'll find in multiple occasions over the years this was approved.
- International Atomic Energy Agency has had most of its inspections from Iranian facilities, at some point it was as high as 90% of their inspections and they are supposed to inspect the whole world!!! They have approved everywhere that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program.
- To top it all, Iran's supreme leader as the highest official who makes the final decisions in major matters and his words don't change since unlike Western Democracies the person doesn't change every couple of years! He considers WMDs that includes nukes haram, which is the highest way of prohibiting its manufacturing.

The reason why nukes are highlighted in the media is because they are scarier and it helps with Iranophobia strategy. They can't just tell the truth like saying "Iran has the most sophisticated air defense that has made the country impenetrable and we want that to go away so we can invade".
In fact the first draft of JCPOA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action) before 2015 included all these terms and only a tiny portion of it was about nukes! Which is why US pulled out of it in 2018, they wanted 2.0 version of it that targets Iranian defensive capabilities to finish the plan that Bush had in 2000's as I said earlier.

Militarily speaking Iran doesn't need nukes to be an existential threat to Israel when a single ballistic missile can wipe out most of it.
Watch this excessive for example which is part of a bigger one held in the middle of Iran in an area that is twice the size of occupied lands. This is the simulated facility of equal size that builds nukes in Israel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHc72QEoyAY
All it takes is only a single hyper-sonic BM to hit the target with its bunker busting warhead.

If some day Iran builds any nukes it would be in deterrence against United States that has a vast geography and is not a tiny land.

Well, the context is actually about defending your home against the invaders. Both Iraq and Yemen have been invaded by foreign forces that happen to be or consist of Western countries.
Iraq conflict is mostly won and over while Yemen conflict is still ongoing with Yemenis resistance gaining increasing number of victories in every face off.

And I am sure many other countries will be doing the same. There is no other solution to it.
Also if they try to build a new pipeline and they try to do something extra quick it will take more than a year to do it. So better say sorry to Russia and move on with them :)

I don't think that a new gas pipeline can be built in a year or so. Even if the pipeline can be built in such a short time, there is no guarantee that the transporters will find enough gas to keep it in operation. Any gas pipeline from the middle-east to the EU is out of consideration, because it needs to pass through Iraq and Syria. Azerbaijan doesn't have enough spare gas. Turkmenistan is an option, however most of the gas is currently being supplied to China and Russians won't be happy if they suddenly start diverting their gas to EU.

When viewed from various countries today, only Africa can supply gas for US needs, because indeed in this country it still has a lot of gas reserves, but the problem is infrastructure as you say, they need time to do all that, in order to have infrastructure adequate and has standards.

Besides that Russia itself will never be silent with the US treatment that starts exploring the African state, because this will hamper their industry and economic chaos, Russian power will weaken when the gas supply is no longer in the distribution of the superpower, given the largest need for gas usage in the country

Iran role in the region is always very much doubtful. On one side they say they are very much anti USA but on other side they supported usa when they came to eliminate Taliban and Saddam Hussain. There are also news cia have links with Khomeini well before Iran revolution.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/10/ayatollah-khomeini-jimmy-carter-administration-iran-revolution

Candidly speaking, I do believe before Putin went to war, he must have weighed his options and am certain, that other countries who followed the stories from the onset, considered alternatives for power. 
Russia has some sort of independent power due to its power infrastructures and some influential allies. With the war on hand, this power is tested.
With sanctions flying and the EU standing strong to ensure reliance on Russian gas consumption reduced to less than 15%  for its allied countries, other alternatives are definitely in play.

No One can replace the supply of Russia but Russia itself. EU has already done so much damage to the world by putting sanctions and bans on Russia. Also many countries faced regime change for being neutral. Directly or indirectly the whole world faced the effects of Ukraine and Russia war. EU must apologize to Russia and get back their oil and gas supply. Winter is coming.

Not anti-USA but anti-colonialism.

I had a good laugh reading this. ;D

P.S. You may find it interesting to know that BBC, ie. a British news agency has a record of producing more content in Farsi than in English, I believe their record is 3x more... The English propaganda machine is busy like a bee ;)

hmm. Could you name some of these alternatives that can supply EU with the much needed gas? And where have all these alternatives been all this time?

The peace agreement was signed in 1975, and the two presidents received the Nobel Peace Prize in the same year, if I am not mistaken.
The Transit war had ended in 1973, during Sadat's period in Egypt.

Iran did not have enough time to organize its ranks abroad, as is happening today, because Saddam Hussein did not waste time to make it build a military force due to the historical hostility between Sunnis and Shiites. Saddam was not accepting of support for Iraqi Shiites, which is what we see today after the fall of Saddam's regime Hussein in 2003.

The Amal movement arose in the early eighties as a resistance movement against the Zionist occupation of southern Lebanon, comprising Lebanese citizens rejecting the occupation after the Lebanese army was unable to resist a sophisticated army like the Israeli army. Then it turned from a resistance movement to an extremist religious organization after the end of the war between Iran and Iraq that includes only Shiites and they raised the slogan of resistance, but in fact they represent Iran’s agenda in the region, and after the liberation of southern Lebanon in 2002, it became a colony of Hezbollah that includes only its forces and loyalists. . Of course, Iran is the one who provides the party with all the military and logistical support that passes through loyal Syria as well.

This occupation has remained a disgrace to this day, especially after we witnessed the Syrian regime bombing its people with heavy artillery and not firing a single shot at the Israeli soldiers stationed on the border.

This is what appears from the declared positions, but are there sufficient guarantees that the Iranian nuclear program will not be transformed from an evolutionary scientific program to a military one? I don't think there is any easier than that.
With the accumulation of sanctions on Iran, no one is actually able to realize the extent of Iran's capabilities in developing a nuclear arsenal. Currently, there are cameras at all Iranian nuclear activities sites, but we must not forget that it has everything needed to manufacture a nuclear weapon.


Iran is seeking to spread and gain more allies, which seems difficult without funding armed groups due to the religious nature of the state. Its presence in Iran represents a force on the ground that we recently discovered is invincible. In Iraq, it did not stop supporting the parties with weapons, and what has happened four days ago in Iraq proves the extent of Iran's influence there.
We must not forget the strength of Hezbollah in Lebanon and how it impedes reform mainly because of sectarian considerations.

Saddam's invasion of Iran had nothing to do with religion specially since there is no hostility between Sunnis and Shia! It was all about a geopolitics. He dreamed of having significant access to Persian gulf and own the oil rich regions in western Iran. He had attacked Iran many times before the Iran's revolution but shortly after the revolution he thought he could take advantage of the chaos, specially since US+NATO+Arabs supported him so he started a full scale invasion.

You call it "extremist" because that is a term your censored media uses. The recent leaked classified documents showed that US has contacted this group proposing to change this media image and introduce them as a "humanitarian organization" if they sever their alliance with Iran. :)

FYI Iran is a member of NPT and article 10 of NPT (https://www.un.org/disarmament/wmd/nuclear/npt/text/) mandates countries that are being threatened by other nuclear nations to build the bomb to protect themselves.

As I said before if someday Iran builds the nukes it will be according to NPT and because US, a nuclear nation, has been threatening Iran.
In other words you are looking for guarantees that Iran isn't going to build nukes while US is threatening Iran with invasion every day!

In order to stabilize the region and bring back the lost security there needs to be order and it is not a religious thing otherwise Christians in Syrian wouldn't have been one of the biggest supporters of Islamic Republic of Iran.

Did you expect the Iraqis to fight ISIS that had all kinds of weapons including armored vehicles with sticks and stones?

Lets see an example of what reform means.

What you call "reform" says in order to fight the economy and energy crisis in Lebanon they should take a $100 million loan from international bank and help the country.
In other words a temporary bandaid that puts the country in bigger debt and economy crisis.

Everyone else says Lebanon has hundreds of billions of dollars worth of energy like gas (IIRC $450 billion) that is being stolen by others and Lebanon should take it back, extract it themselves and both use it domestically to end the energy crisis and export it to EU for profit to end the economy crisis.
You call this impeding reform!

P.S. BTW we are off-topic here. I don't think I'll continue this any further.

I have to say that Iran moves are always in favor of usa that's why usa never did anything to Iran. Iran helped usa in uprooting Taliban government and saddam Hussain just because they are sunni Muslims. I have a firm believe that usa and Iran goals are very much same.

All religious groups carrying weapons and whose creed stipulates the use of violence in places other than legitimate self-defense are extremist groups. This has nothing to do with the image the media portrays to us. I live in an Arab country and most media channels portray Hezbollah as the leader of the Arab resistance against the Zionist presence in the region, but this is not true, and it is an ideological organization that defends the interests of its allies (Iran) in the region.

What I meant here is that it supports parties with a Shiite reference and does not support the state (the army) in its war against ISIS, for example. This support has existed since the US forces invaded Iraq in 2003, but it has expanded to include the war of the factions against each other.

Hezbollah acts in the Lebanese scene on sectarian grounds, and does not care that the rest of the sects burn. Hezbollah is disrupting the formation of the government, the formulation of parliament, and senior positions in the state, while neutralizing its loyalists from accountability. He does not have solutions to Lebanon's real crises, because it is in his interest to maintain a troubled reality, because this will highlight its strength. If we remove Israel from the map, and thus the danger from the south disappears, do you expect this party that speaks by the name God to vanish? An armed jihadist organization is similar to ISIS in terms of its ideological reference and its base structure, except that it does not commit crimes that put it on the public display, but when necessary, it will not hesitate. The International Tribunal had earlier proved the party's involvement in the assassination of Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri and some other assassinations, in addition to its participation in the conflict in Syria since 2011.

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It was an interesting conversation.
I hope to continue it with you in the section devoted to this or in a separate topic that discusses the Iranian economy and its arms extending in the region.

Russia is great country - a very powerful with the most number of Nukes and rich oil and gas reserve.
All countries can be in trouble - but the country having oil supply cannot be ignored - those who tried to trick Russia has been tricked already.

According to the quote that you are about to answer, I was going to talk about the Qatari gas as a possible alternative to Russian gas, and how there is a big crisis for the passage of a pipeline from Qatar through Iraq or Syria, and how both countries have an Iranian presence that supports these countries to oppose such a project. Of course, this is on the basis that Iran is an ally of Russia, or at least they share their hostility to the West on the basis that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Russia is a giant country and its influence seems to be everywhere, and it does not seem easy to get around its energy weapon.

Any potential pipeline from Qatar (or for that matter any other GCC nation) need to pass through either Syria or Iraq. There is no other route for a gas pipeline through this route. And in both cases, at this point the construction of such a major infrastructural project is unthinkable given the political situation. Syria is ruled by Bashar al Assad, who is one of the major allies of Russia. And it looks like the party supported by Muqtada al-Sadr will come in power in Iraq sometime soon (he is pro-Iranian).

In order to construct the infrastructure to transfer gas from Qatar to anywhere you first need security and stability. The route doesn't have any security because of one reason: United States

Iraq was destabilized the day US invaded the country, removed its government that despite all its dictatorship and crimes was keeping Iraq stable and safe, destroyed its infrastructure (pipelines, oil facilities, power plants,...) and military (that could provide security), etc. It kept becoming more destabilized as US spread separatism there and northern Iraq basically claimed independence and has not been answering to the central power in Iraq for years.
Same with Syria, the situation kept getting worse as US kept attacking and expanded its military presence there currently stealing their oil. (I don't see anybody talking about how Syrian oil that US is stealing could be transferred to EU!).
Both countries were destabilized more as Turkey with the help of US waged its war against Kurdish people in the region and started their genocide while interestingly enough never attacking the separatists Kurds in Iraq!
That's not even to mention the US backed terrorists that run rampant in the region.

Well, I almost agree with you on all those points. We can get two possibilities for all that America is doing if we return to the main topic here, which is the supply of gas to Europe ;
The first possibility is that America aspires to cut off Russian gas supplies to Europe, as evidenced by its indirect support for the war on Ukraine (America pushed Ukraine to confront and asked its allies to support it, then abandoned it in exchange for some economic sanctions that directly serve its interest) and at the same time sabotage The way the gas pipeline can pass. America aspires to sell liquefied gas to Europe at a high cost, earning revenues and at the same time isolating Russia by losing its most important market, the European market.
The second possibility is that America is actually seeking to help Europe to give up Russian gas and offer Qatari gas as an alternative. It sought to change the rule in Iraq so that the pipeline would pass, but it failed and repeated the same attempt in Syria, and it is now failing.
I would really like to know your opinion on this.

IMO it's a very complicated situation.

It all comes down to petrodollar, we know that US dollar's real value is far below its current price simply because it is not backed by anything (whether gold or actual domestic production like China). In other words US economy is massive in size but extremely weak and fragile and if petrodollar dies US could become like North Korea or Venezuela. So in order to keep it strong something has to keep it strong and what is better than other countries being forced to use it as reserve and trade currency. The biggest trades are energy trades namely oil and gas.

Remember that one of the main US policies is security in insecurity or more precisely security of United States in insecurity of others.

Middle East is the biggest source of energy and according to US policy it has to always be chaotic with US favored governments ruling over as much parts of the region as possible. This means US can enforce its policies over the world's energy keeping US dollar alive and strong while keeping the region unsafe to justify its military presence and also to sell arms and make a ton of money.
Hence the invasion of Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, etc and the wish to eventually invade Iran. And also the colonization of Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, etc.
On the other hand EU is the biggest importer of energy and many of the industrialized countries there like Germany heavily depend on imports. At the same time none of them have independence and have to provide US interests.

But the problem with the chaos strategy is that when chaos is created, things get out of hand and become unpredictable. This is why we see Saudis that always obeyed the order to increase then decrease oil price over the past 4 decades suddenly say NO to US when they are asked to decrease the price or when they start selling their oil to China using Yuan instead of Dollar (ie. the grave offense)!
This strategy backfires regularly because chaos is unpredictable. Which is why we see the inflation hitting US hard these days.

What US is doing in this situation is making the best out of the worst situation.
1- They want Russia to be stuck in the war and continue having casualties and become weaker.
2- They want Russian economy to start shrinking since it was recovering before the war.
3- They don't want EU to normalize their relations with Russia to save their countries.
4- They also don't want to lose EU or have the union fall apart.
5- They want to rule Middle East despite the fact that all their plans have fallen apart over the past couple of years (starting in 2018)
6-...
Obviously they can't have all of it, so each of these dreams is only fulfilled partially.
1- Russia is stuck in the war and is having casualties but not as much as US wanted
2- Russian economy was battered but didn't shrink as US wanted, in fact Ruble went up against dollar to a new ATH in 5 years.
3- EU is still buying Russian energy despite US wishes (decreased the purchase)
4- EU is getting weaker so they become more dependent on US but the unrest is growing and the union is not as strong as before. But also their defense budgets grew (which US wanted) and NATO became more active (which again US wanted).
5. The chaos is still ongoing in M.E. which US is trying to handle as best as they can

So for example when it comes to gas, some gas is being sold to EU but not too much to recover their economy. Which is why IMO the fake explosion in US happens that cuts off the LNG exports to EU by 40% IIRC but not entirely. And at the same time that gas is sold domestically decreasing the gas price in US itself.

P.S. On top of all that, a new world order is showing up that decreases US dominance over the world which makes all things even more complicated.

a couple of short facts that will answer this question, as well as what a terrorist country will do :)
1.Not about gas, but about how easy it is to find an alternative to a terrorist country:
- Iraq and Saudi Arabia are increasing oil supplies to Europe, where they are gradually refusing to import Russian energy carriers, Bloomberg writes, after analyzing the tracking data of sea vessels...
https://www.gazeta.ru/business/news/2022/07/23/18184424.shtml
- American shale turns taps. Major US oil companies agree to drastically increase production
The Biden administration made a deal with the oilmen: they promised to increase production by 0.8-1 million barrels per day by the end of the year.

404 :) The decision to turn off the valves on gas pipelines leading to Europe - the only major market for Gazprom - sent the Russian gas industry into a steep dive.
By the beginning of August, gas production by Gazprom had fallen to its lowest level since at least 2008, Bloomberg notes, citing the company's operational statistics.
In July, according to Gazprom data, its production amounted to 24 billion cubic meters, which is 36% lower than a year earlier. The decline, which began in the spring with the shutdown of the Yamal-Europe pipeline and the shutdown of supplies to countries that refused to pay under the “rouble” scheme, is intensifying every month: in April it was 10% yoy, in May - 14%, in June - 30 %.
The owner of the world's largest gas reserves, which as of 2020 were estimated at $ 9 trillion, Gazprom is killing wells in fields whose raw materials suddenly have nowhere to sell.

https://www.moscowtimes.eu/2022/08/02/dobicha-gaza-v-rossii-ruhnula-do-minimuma-za-14-let-a22850

As some will now notice - no matter how much they shout that "everyone will freeze without Russia", the real problems began precisely with Russia  ;D

Yeah, you decided - the dumber you lie, the more they will believe? :) I understand that you are from Russia, and your lies are part of the culture and mentality, no offense, but there are simply no other explanations for what you wrote!
So:
1. I wrote that until 2014, when Russia launched a terrorist war against Ukraine (see source text above), Ukraine did not have a decision to join NATO. There were only movements in the direction of moving away from the old and obsolete Soviet weapons and the transition to advanced weapons standards.
And I absolutely say that after 2014, yes, Ukraine took the vector to join NATO! Is everything right here? :)
2. And now your answer. You tell me that I am writing nonsense (see your original text above), such as evidence, you throw up a link to a bill that allegedly says that this was adopted BEFORE 2014. ! But you throw me an article that says that these changes have been made to ... ATTENTION! In 2018!!! And signed by the President Poroshenko P.A., who was elected to the post of President already AFTER the Russian terrorist attack on Ukraine!
Are you stupidly lying in order to lie, which is typical for the inhabitants of totalitarian states, where it is customary to deny reality in order to try to justify oneself or are not educated to read and understand? The choice is yours ! :)

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Let EVERYONE get acquainted with your "truth", and how you primitively distort reality, in the hope that this will not be checked!

Breathe deeply, you are excited. Relations between Ukraine and NATO began in 1992, when Ukraine, after gaining independence, joined the North Atlantic Cooperation Council. A few years later, in February 1994, Ukraine entered into a framework agreement with NATO under the Partnership for Peace initiative, followed in 2002 by the NATO Individual Partnership Plan. Between these events, in April 1999, a NATO mission opened in Kyiv. You either do not know the latest history of your own country well, or you are lying openly.

First, it is not a good idea to keep accusing each other of lying to each other. We are in an open discussion on a public forum, not a challenge.
Second, Russia could not oppose the cooperation agreement between Ukraine and NATO in 1992 because it was at its most vulnerable time after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the fall of the Soviet Union. With Russia recovering and restoring its global position as a regional and global power, it is natural that it will not stand idly by in the face of NATO's provocations. Unfortunately, Ukraine was the scapegoat provided by America under the cover of NATO to push the region towards war .

Your eagerness to teach me how to do the right thing is commendable, but redundant. ;D
You are right, Ukraine has become a victim of the pressure of external circumstances and its own stupidity. Initially a suicidal idea to build their national identity on hatred of Russia. Ukraine does not and did not have a chance to defeat Russia in a military conflict, but the US and NATO said you can, and we will help you in every possible way. It's just stupid, and now Europe has a problem of how to replace Russian gas supplies. Technically, this is the success of US diplomacy in the framework of the concept that for the collapse of Europe it is necessary to quarrel Germany and Russia. The shortsightedness of this concept is that its success creates a new cluster center of power in the world Russia - India - China, with strong influence in South America, Africa and the Middle East, and this casts doubt on the active hegemony of the United States, in alliance with Britain, with strong influence in Australia, Western Europe and Japan.

Ukraine built its national identity on hatred of Russia? Do not make me laugh. Let me remind you that on December 5, 1994, Ukraine signed a Memorandum of Security Guarantees in connection with Ukraine's accession to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (Budapest Memorandum). It was signed by the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, Great Britain and the USA. According to it, Ukraine voluntarily gave up its third nuclear weapon in the world in exchange for security guarantees provided to it, including from Russia. Moreover, part of the nuclear potential was transferred to Russia along with those long-range missiles with which Russia is now shelling the territory of Ukraine. Probably, it was out of hatred for Russia that Ukraine handed over these weapons and ammunition to it? Ukraine, it turns out, acted stupidly only in the sense that it believed Russia. Big Brother turned out to be the worst of enemies and committed such a cruel genocide to Ukraine that even the Nazis could not dream of.

Are you saying that Ukraine had no chance to defeat Russia in a military "conflict"? The above facts just show that Ukraine did not prepare for war with Russia, but tried to live in peace with it and build good neighborly relations.
After Russia's flagrant violation of the Budapest Memorandum, Ukraine has every right not only to ask, but even to demand military assistance from the United States and Great Britain against Russia's treacherous attack.

We agree that Ukraine has been pushed into a crazy war that has no possibilities to fight it except the hopes that NATO will save it militarily, which it became clear to us is very far away. The most foolish step was taken by the European countries (America's ally in NATO), which, in my opinion, are the first victims of this war, due to the adverse effect of the sanctions they imposed on Russia. The situation of the German economy is currently considered catastrophic, according to many experts, especially since it cannot in any way give up Russian energy supplies and does not have the logistical structure to import liquefied gas from other sources. Apparently, America deceived them all and is waiting for what will happen in order to appear in the role of the savior.
Ukraine, in the worst case, will become a Russian colony, which will relatively distance it from the energy crisis caused by the struggle of the giants .

No more wars - only peace? I think you need to declare this to Russia and the defenders of its war of conquest in this forum. As long as Russia believes that they can win this war, they do not want to hear about any negotiations, except on their own terms. And this for Ukraine means the loss of significant territories and the postponement of the second stage of the war, until Russia gets stronger again. The only way out for Ukraine and the entire civilized world is to inflict a military defeat on Russia in this war and thus make its further aggression impossible.
Now a very interesting situation is developing for Ukraine on the southern front, where the most combat-ready part of the Russian troops may suffer a colossal defeat in the next few weeks, which can radically change the situation both in this war and within Russia itself. We will be watching further developments.

All Ukraine's problems started when they started having this fake hope since that help has never even been "far away" it never existed to begin with. NATO wanted this war but with Ukrainians not with NATO members.

I wonder if the US plans to turn Ukraine into Afghanistan is starting to come true. We know that after the US invasion of Afghanistan, they continued experiencing more defeats and that meant using more devastating weapons there that only killed more civilians and yet they lost the war and were kicked out after 20 years in defeat.
That of course left Afghanistan in complete ruin and extremists in power.

USA has a history of betraying his friends. In 1971, when Pakistan is having a war with India in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) USA keep on saying to Pakistan that they are sending his naval fleet to rescue Pakistan but it never arrived. Sams is happening in ukarine, USA is not sending his ground forces only weapons and that too on payments from EU and ukarine.
Now USA is trying to open another front aka tiawan. But IMO it won't last for more then a week if China responded to that aggression.

Afghanistan has gone once again back in stone ages thanks to usa and EU moves of bringing democracy in every country that stood against them.

I would like to focus on an important point here that I have emphasized earlier. The battle can be classified as part of an old renewed confrontation between Russia and the United States. America, represented by NATO, sacrificed not only Ukraine to make it a battlefield, but also its European friends, its allies in NATO. Perhaps Ukraine would be least affected by the war even if it was completely occupied by Russia.

In my opinion, the Afghan experience is more complicated in view of the widespread religious groups that were looking for support to organize and confront the Soviet colonizer. Those religious groups can easily turn towards extremism and seek to implement a settlement project, and not only in the form of a resistance movement.
I do not think Russia will allow this kind of extremist presence for a country that will annex it to its colonies, which is also a neighboring country.

I'm not so sure about that. A ton of weapons were sold to Taiwan and on top of that the Chinese military hasn't really been in any wars so they lack experience. I'd say the time it takes is unpredictable.
For the time being Chinese strategy seems to be to cut Taiwan off and increase the pressure considering they depends a lot on China as it is. The invasion is possibly happening in Fall regardless of what US tries to do these days.

I agree. Another scenario would have been if Ukraine had a politician as a president instead, he could have played both sides and receive points from both without leaning towards one side only threatening the other to force an invasion.

Although extremism in another form exists in Ukraine but it is not the only way to prolong this war and slowly make Russia weaker. See the type and amount of weapons that they are sending Ukraine. They are all categorized as low-tier weapons (like the very short range missiles) so that they can only give Ukrainians enough power to slow down Russian advances but not stop it.
Of course the fact that Ukraine is selling a large number of those weapons on black market doesn't help but US is still trying to keep that balance to slow down Russia but not stop it completely and not to push it over the edge to change the game entirely.

I was seeing statement of Chinese envoy (https://twitter.com/CathayPak/status/1556344522568863744?t=NtAmPzPx1MsEwu1V6u0yAA&s=19), "that usa first create problem in the region and then jump in to solve that issue, be careful."
Chinese haven't fought a war in years but that doesn't mean that can't handle a tiny island. Tiawan is a very narrow island with no depth in it. Tiawan shouldn't do any mistake of provoking China like ukarine. I highly doubt tiawan can withstand Chinese aggression for long.
It's a fact that whenever some country stands in front of usa, usa response is only one thing aka bring democracy there.

https://i.imgur.com/isNLZ8y.jpeg

https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1556661451409854464?t=YXUmHk3fiImiQe5gwPyJZQ&s=19

That is so true - there is so much damage to the world done on the name of democracy.
On the other side. EU has to go back to Russia - seek apolgy and start their trade again. There is no other soloution