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Melitopol is located in the Zaporozhye region and you habitually think that this is Ukraine. However, it's time to get used to the new reality, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions are Russia. Donetsk and Lugansk regions are independent people's republics of Donbass. All your accusations of stealing Ukrainian grain are baseless insinuations.

I don't think that Ukraine will ever get back these territories. Crimea is gone and already merged with Russia. Rebels control more than 95% of Lugansk and close to 60% of Donetsk. One-third of Kharkiv is gone, so is more than two-thirds of Zaporozhye. Kherson is now almost 100% under Russian control. If Ukraine announces a ceasefire now, they will be able to save the remainder of their South-east region, such as the oblasts of Odessa and Mykolayiv. Zelensky and his regime needs to be realistic about their chances and the outcome of this war.  
Russia was ready to conclude a peace treaty and end its operation in Ukraine in March, when some common ground was reached in the negotiations mediated by Turkey, then Russia, as a gesture of goodwill, withdrew its troops from the north of Ukraine from near Kyiv. However, Kyiv disrupted the negotiations and significantly worsened its position. The problem is not that Zelensky is a drug addict, but that Ukraine is not an independent state that is completely dependent on the choice of foreign policy from curators from the United States and the European Union, who are apparently ready to fight in Russia to the last Ukrainian.

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June 10, 2022, 03:24:30 PM
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Melitopol is located in the Zaporozhye region and you habitually think that this is Ukraine. However, it's time to get used to the new reality, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions are Russia. Donetsk and Lugansk regions are independent people's republics of Donbass. All your accusations of stealing Ukrainian grain are baseless insinuations.

I don't think that Ukraine will ever get back these territories. Crimea is gone and already merged with Russia. Rebels control more than 95% of Lugansk and close to 60% of Donetsk. One-third of Kharkiv is gone, so is more than two-thirds of Zaporozhye. Kherson is now almost 100% under Russian control. If Ukraine announces a ceasefire now, they will be able to save the remainder of their South-east region, such as the oblasts of Odessa and Mykolayiv. Zelensky and his regime needs to be realistic about their chances and the outcome of this war.  


Hitler also made plans to own Europe Smiley The Kremlin's miserable semblance of Hitler will end up the same, or worse. Will the temporarily occupied territory by Russian terrorists remain in their possession or not - it's not for them to decide, but for Ukraine! And today, we are grateful for the help and support of adequate countries that remember what Nazism is and now see its even more vile grin in the form of rashism. This help will allow us to quickly free our land from the new brown plague. Tell Putin: like it or not - you will endure and be responsible for everything, "beauty" Smiley

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It would be naive to play into US trap again. It is practically 100% guaranteed that as soon as the energy crisis in the West is averted, every step US took towards normalization with Venezuela would be reversed and harsher sanctions would be placed on Venezuelans making their lives 10 times worse than it is today.

Learn from Iran. We made a grave mistake in 2015 and signed JCPOA, not only they didn't remove any sanctions but they imposed more and increased their terrorism against Iranians. Today we've learned from that mistake and our economy is among the 10 biggest ones while US and EU are constantly begging Iran to come back to JCPOA and give them the much needed energy.
In fact after the shock of 2018 (start of "maximum pressure" campaign) that lasted a year and a half, the economy has been stabilizing more every day despite more than 5000 sanctions (in comparison there are only about 330 sanctions against Venezuela).

I would assume the Biden administration plan in this particular case is to divide and conquer. See, many of our politicians could be aware that as ther geopolitical rival USA is not to be trusted, nonetheless our politicians have a terrible weakness: the love the American way of living, their products, their media, the glamour on the movies. It is this way to the point Florida is the favorite place for them to move once the have gotten rich through questionable ways.

Here you have an example of a personal friend/ politician of Hugo Chavez Frías:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_Andrade

He retired to Miami to enjoy his new fortune and race horses. Why did he move to USA intead China, Iran, Russia, India?
Because most of them love the enemy, or the way of living they provide. It is the same with the politicians and their children that moved to Europe, they love those places and the things offered, that they are willing to take the risk of arrest and prosecution because the origin of their money.

The USA government knows this and it will probably become part of their strategy to convince some politicians to take a side under the promise of what they trully desire: Be left alone with "their" money in Europe or USA.

Also, the desproportion between the sanctions against Iran and Venezuela is understandable. Iran is not only an energy power, but also has a nuclear program and their politicians I assume are more compromised. We dont have nuclear program, our oil production is low at the time being and most of our politicians are crooks only caring for themselves.

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So let's get back to Venezuela and Maduro - what is the RESULT of help from China, Russia? The country has come out of the crisis and the economy has stabilized? Does the population have an acceptable income? Just be honest?

The priority with these international relations were never to provide a solution to the low standard of life we have suffered for long time, instead we adquired unnecesary and predatory debts from Russia and specially China, funds likely stolen by corrupt and untouchable politicians.

The priority of those relations was to have a nuclear power to "warn" United States to leave us alone, so the White House would be reluctant to take drastic measures to get rid their foes here. Basically, to keep Maduro in power.

In exchange Russia and China use our territory as a platform of influence in the continent and exploit some resources, thats why we have been visited by Russian operatives and planes before this conflict with Ukraine.

So, considering those relations were for Maduro stay in power, I'd say they have worked so far.

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June 11, 2022, 02:32:55 AM
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Hitler also made plans to own Europe Smiley The Kremlin's miserable semblance of Hitler will end up the same, or worse. Will the temporarily occupied territory by Russian terrorists remain in their possession or not - it's not for them to decide, but for Ukraine! And today, we are grateful for the help and support of adequate countries that remember what Nazism is and now see its even more vile grin in the form of rashism. This help will allow us to quickly free our land from the new brown plague. Tell Putin: like it or not - you will endure and be responsible for everything, "beauty" Smiley

I am looking at the realistic scenario. I don't think that Ukraine has the manpower or resources to wrest back close to 100,000 sq.kms of territory which is currently under Russian control. A few days back, Mykhaylo Podolyak made the announcement that Ukraine is losing 100 to 200 soldiers per day. These sort of losses are not sustainable in the long run and that means that the resistance currently put by the Ukrainian side can't be sustained. War has moved close to some of the strategic cities, such as Bakhmut, Kramatorsk and Slavyansk. A fall of any of these cities can be morale breaking.

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I saw news on CNN and CNBC that in this world gas reserves are very few and controlled by only a few countries including Russia, the process of making gas pipelines takes a long time especially now that many places have become residential so it is more difficult to meet gas, something that the most likely is the import of liquefied gas and of course a longer process is required.

Out of all the energy demand from a country, gas is probably the hardest to switch to different supplier. That is why the European Union is so reluctant to issue an embargo on Russian gas. In Europe has us bring distributed via pipelines which takes many years to be build and require political oversight. There is no way to build a new pipeline and be autonomous from Russia in one year. Liquidised gas could be one option, but for that the infrastructure is not there yet. USA would like to sell more liquid gas in Europe, so far they are exporting to Portugal and the Baltics. This is not enough to supply the whole demand in Europe. Political alternatives include solar energy and heating pumps that transfers hear from the ground. These things could be installed at all homes, but are very expensive. It takes a lot of substitutions from the government to make it feasible, and someone who has a few year old modern gas heater will not switch. These are long term solutions and will not help to switch of Russian gas short term. I don't see any real alternative to keep buying from a Russia in the next winter.
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I saw news on CNN and CNBC that in this world gas reserves are very few and controlled by only a few countries including Russia, the process of making gas pipelines takes a long time especially now that many places have become residential so it is more difficult to meet gas, something that the most likely is the import of liquefied gas and of course a longer process is required.

Out of all the energy demand from a country, gas is probably the hardest to switch to different supplier. That is why the European Union is so reluctant to issue an embargo on Russian gas. In Europe has us bring distributed via pipelines which takes many years to be build and require political oversight. There is no way to build a new pipeline and be autonomous from Russia in one year. Liquidised gas could be one option, but for that the infrastructure is not there yet. USA would like to sell more liquid gas in Europe, so far they are exporting to Portugal and the Baltics. This is not enough to supply the whole demand in Europe. Political alternatives include solar energy and heating pumps that transfers hear from the ground. These things could be installed at all homes, but are very expensive. It takes a lot of substitutions from the government to make it feasible, and someone who has a few year old modern gas heater will not switch. These are long term solutions and will not help to switch of Russian gas short term. I don't see any real alternative to keep buying from a Russia in the next winter.
Agreed. No One can full fill the supply of world but only Russia. The whole world was imposing bans on Russia without realising what Russia can do to the world. They deliberately or not deliberately ignored the part. And now everyone is worried how and from where they are going to get the oil and gas supply.

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Agreed. No One can full fill the supply of world but only Russia. The whole world was imposing bans on Russia without realising what Russia can do to the world. They deliberately or not deliberately ignored the part. And now everyone is worried how and from where they are going to get the oil and gas supply.

The problem lies within the stupid policymakers of the European Union. Actually it is possible to replace Russian energy in the medium term, with available resources. But the European Union shut down most of the alternatives before the Russo-Ukraine war. As a result of pressure from the Green party, they closed down most of the nuclear power plants in Germany. This made them even more dependent on Russian imports. On top of that, the Green party idiots caused hundreds of billions of Euro in losses by funding unviable renewable energy projects all along the EU. They setup wind farms where there is not enough wind flows and solar plants where there is not enough sunlight.

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Agreed. No One can full fill the supply of world but only Russia. The whole world was imposing bans on Russia without realising what Russia can do to the world. They deliberately or not deliberately ignored the part. And now everyone is worried how and from where they are going to get the oil and gas supply.

The problem lies within the stupid policymakers of the European Union. Actually it is possible to replace Russian energy in the medium term, with available resources. But the European Union shut down most of the alternatives before the Russo-Ukraine war. As a result of pressure from the Green party, they closed down most of the nuclear power plants in Germany. This made them even more dependent on Russian imports. On top of that, the Green party idiots caused hundreds of billions of Euro in losses by funding unviable renewable energy projects all along the EU. They setup wind farms where there is not enough wind flows and solar plants where there is not enough sunlight.
You are right, even in the face of severe energy shortages, Germany does not appear to be changing course and plans to shut down the last three nuclear reactors later this year. And in general, the situation with nuclear energy in the European Union is close to depressing. It seems Europe has simply lost key competencies in this area - and I'm talking now about France, where there are relatively many operating nuclear power plants, but things with them are also not cloudless. There are many old reactors, several of which will have to be decommissioned in the near future, and there are almost no new reactors. And there is another problem even more serious - Europe is rapidly losing its influence in Africa (we are talking specifically about France and specifically about Mali). And without Africa, Europe has nowhere to get uranium from. The European Union has driven itself into a dire situation with its mediocre energy policy.

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Imagine a crazy big shuffle in the market.
This is a beautiful example of this big shuffle I talked about: Saudi oil exports to China has been decreasing and they are swapping their Chinese buyers with others. This is another proof of how the websites I mentioned earlier were propaganda machines since if anything Russian oil replaced their employers oil not Iran's.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Saudi-Arabia-Cuts-Oil-Volumes-To-China-For-July.html

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Imagine a crazy big shuffle in the market.
This is a beautiful example of this big shuffle I talked about: Saudi oil exports to China has been decreasing and they are swapping their Chinese buyers with others. This is another proof of how the websites I mentioned earlier were propaganda machines since if anything Russian oil replaced their employers oil not Iran's.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Saudi-Arabia-Cuts-Oil-Volumes-To-China-For-July.html

This conflict for the first time has highlighted the fact that how Russian oil can be helpful to other countries. USA and west backed OPEC is abusing the world via there own monopolies. Europe is buying gas from Russia but they want rest of the world to boycott Russia, dual standards.

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Melitopol is located in the Zaporozhye region and you habitually think that this is Ukraine. However, it's time to get used to the new reality, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions are Russia. Donetsk and Lugansk regions are independent people's republics of Donbass. All your accusations of stealing Ukrainian grain are baseless insinuations.

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Haven't laughed so hard in a long time! Although ... This is written by a person who supports terrorism and lives in fake greatness Smiley Yes, then I agree, and you already captured Kyiv 3 months ago and reached the Polish border Smiley
I have another recommendation - accustom the body to the lack of normal products, normal equipment, normal hygiene products, and indeed a normal life - such is the fate of any supporter of Nazism, terrorism Smiley And remember - stolen "things" never bring happiness! For some time you will plunder (Russia does not know how to create, this is a fact) Ukrainian lands, out of genetic habit, and then retribution and punishment will come. Collective retribution, the whole country. True, those who control you will most likely cowardly leave you and run away ... to the "decaying west", to live in prosperity and human conditions, and you .. you will have to pay for many decades!

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PS Adopt the experience of the inhabitants of North Korea, it will be very useful to you soon!
As stated above - the EU is purchasing the oil and gas from Russia on low prices and want the rest of the world to boycott from Russia. What is this hypocrisy?
Now the other allies IND have been purchasing OIL and selling it to EU, first the whole EU has been putting up sections on the Russia and now they all are in trouble.

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Maybe Europe can always look for another alternative but I think it's hard for the European countries to boycott Russia when it comes to oil and natural gases. The europe need Russia oil Wich is a vital means for most European countries to survive. I think we have other african countries and Asia countries that sell oil too. They can be getting oil from those countries too to boycott the Russian oil.

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the EU is purchasing the oil and gas from Russia on low prices and want the rest of the world to boycott from Russia.
Why do you say "low" prices? EU is currently purchasing oil and gas from Russia at much higher prices, partly because the price of energy has gone up by a lot (for example oil from $60-$70 last year to ~$120 today) and partly because of the third parties that are sometimes involved in transferring for example Russian oil to EU who would add to the final price of it for EU since they need to take their own cut.

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Maybe Europe can always look for another alternative but I think it's hard for the European countries to boycott Russia when it comes to oil and natural gases. The europe need Russia oil Wich is a vital means for most European countries to survive. I think we have other african countries and Asia countries that sell oil too. They can be getting oil from those countries too to boycott the Russian oil.

I think it will be challenging for Europe to find an alternative source and seller of oil to them given that majority of the supplies really come from Russia. It will be hard to scout a country to offer such because oil is a natural resource which is only abundant in specific areas just like Russia and middle east. Perhaps they could find one but the price and transportation fees won't be the same just like what Russia offers.

The current conflict is still one of the main reasons why oil's price is continuously increasing. Majority of the world is affected and hopefully it won't be that long because every commodities and services are now also increasing in price which results to fewer things to be availed with the same amount of salary received.
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Maybe Europe can always look for another alternative but I think it's hard for the European countries to boycott Russia when it comes to oil and natural gases. The europe need Russia oil Wich is a vital means for most European countries to survive. I think we have other african countries and Asia countries that sell oil too. They can be getting oil from those countries too to boycott the Russian oil.

I think it will be challenging for Europe to find an alternative source and seller of oil to them given that majority of the supplies really come from Russia. It will be hard to scout a country to offer such because oil is a natural resource which is only abundant in specific areas just like Russia and middle east. Perhaps they could find one but the price and transportation fees won't be the same just like what Russia offers.

The current conflict is still one of the main reasons why oil's price is continuously increasing. Majority of the world is affected and hopefully it won't be that long because every commodities and services are now also increasing in price which results to fewer things to be availed with the same amount of salary received.

EU has done a lot on the request of the USA and the whole world is in trouble. My country is in so much trouble.
We are with Ukraine too, but we have to see our country as well. Ukraine got so much help, but what about the people of my country who are suffering because of inflation. They are in trouble.

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Russia was ready to conclude a peace treaty and end its operation in Ukraine in March, when some common ground was reached in the negotiations mediated by Turkey, then Russia, as a gesture of goodwill, withdrew its troops from the north of Ukraine from near Kyiv. However, Kyiv disrupted the negotiations and significantly worsened its position. The problem is not that Zelensky is a drug addict, but that Ukraine is not an independent state that is completely dependent on the choice of foreign policy from curators from the United States and the European Union, who are apparently ready to fight in Russia to the last Ukrainian.

There lies the problem. EU and USA want this war to continue so that they can use Ukarine to fight a proxy war with Russia. Ukarine leadership must understand that EU and USA are using them. Ukarine is sharing border with Russia so it must not do anything that will instigate Russia and create problems for Ukarine.
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Maybe Europe can always look for another alternative but I think it's hard for the European countries to boycott Russia when it comes to oil and natural gases. The europe need Russia oil Wich is a vital means for most European countries to survive. I think we have other african countries and Asia countries that sell oil too. They can be getting oil from those countries too to boycott the Russian oil.

I think it will be challenging for Europe to find an alternative source and seller of oil to them given that majority of the supplies really come from Russia. It will be hard to scout a country to offer such because oil is a natural resource which is only abundant in specific areas just like Russia and middle east. Perhaps they could find one but the price and transportation fees won't be the same just like what Russia offers.

The current conflict is still one of the main reasons why oil's price is continuously increasing. Majority of the world is affected and hopefully it won't be that long because every commodities and services are now also increasing in price which results to fewer things to be availed with the same amount of salary received.
The oil and gas disaster which has been created in the world has left us in the middle of nowhere.
The sensation over sanctioned by EU to please USA has now left us in so much trouble - on the other side IMF is asking to increase prices and put more burden on the people. There is hue and cry everywhere.

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June 15, 2022, 10:30:52 PM
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There are suspicions that Russia might fight back by shutting gas supply to the West. Some sources confirmed that the US is already in talks with Qatar to become Russia’s substitute.  
 
But Qatar and other oil and gas producing nations confirmed that they will not be able to provide substantial amounts of gas to replace Russia’s supply.
 
African countries have been tipped as the best option because the continent has some of the world’s deepest gas reserves. But Africa might not replace Russia because of insecurity and lack of infrastructures.

Who will replace Russia?

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/3/1/analysis-can-african-gas-replace-russian-supplies-to-europe

Nobody.
This topic has been discussed more than once and I don't understand why this topic has been brought up again. No one can replace Russian gas for European countries. If you deliver it from any other country in the world, except Russia, it will be very expensive and there is no point in doing it. This must be accepted as a fact. And all alternative energy sources go to the wastebasket.

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Russia has already partially or completely cut off gas supplies to six European countries, including Germany, Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Bulgaria and Poland. Russian media report that Gazprom is shutting off supplies to companies that refuse to violate the terms of previously signed contracts and pay Russia for gas supplies in rubles. Deliveries to these companies amount to approximately 17.5 billion cubic meters. m of gas per year. This is slightly less than 13% of all deliveries to Europe via pipelines.

This forces the EU countries to look for a replacement for Russian gas, and they are already doing it successfully.
On June 15, representatives of Egypt, Israel and the European Union signed an agreement that supplies of liquefied gas from the Middle East to Europe will increase. Thus, another source of blue fuel supply will allow the EU countries to be less dependent on Russian gas. European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah El Sissi, Egyptian Energy Minister Tarek El Molla and Israeli Energy Minister Karin Elharrar signed the agreement at a Cairo hotel.

Egypt will ship the gas from Israel to Europe, liquefying it and exporting it by ship. According to Von der Leyen, this historic agreement is part of a program to diversify energy sources from Russia and find ways to import hydrocarbons from other countries. The European Union, in turn, will invest in the gas industry of Egypt and Israel, so that they increase production, conduct exploration of gas fields in territorial waters.

The volumes of gas supplies according to the agreement were not disclosed. In 2021, European countries imported 40% of gas from Russia. Earlier it was reported that exploration is being carried out on the shelf near Romania, there are also agreements with Norway for the supply of gas and the construction of the Baltic Pipe pipeline in 2020 across the sea.

There is nothing irreplaceable in this world. It would be desirable to look for other options. And such a desire among the EU countries appeared because of the direct blackmail of Russia.

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