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Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035


Source ---> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/electric-cars/no-petrol/diesel-car-sales-by-2035-european-parliament-approves-ban/articleshow/97939363.cms

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

Obviously they will be far cheaper than the current market price. If they have planned legal action on the gas based cars then those companies will simply switch to manufacture the cars which are electric based. Thus it will flood the whole market with EV’s having good supply of them and lowering the prices eventually. There will be competition between the companies to manufacture the classic yet affordable cars which will be by far at good prices.

However, the main question is whether EU’s vision will be followed by all the planet? I highly doubt because vehicle market is one of the biggest one and the oil/gasoline market is even bigger than that.

Governments receive big load of taxations from the gasoline sell and car sells as well. Road taxes, service industry, car wash, water under control, authorities with testing labs and what not. They will get paid form every sector that concentrates on vehicle business.

With EV there are already half of the stuff that will go off the market including trillion dollar oil business.

EV will increase the demand of electricity and in turn it will increase the production by all means or increase the electricity costs everywhere.

For this reason it’s thinkable whether this Change is really possible within next decade ??

But the actual cost of making one is going to create another shortage. Its battery will be the next problem that shall be made when most cars are already EVs.

I think within a decade, we might see around 10%-30% of it in the actuality. But still, many countries won't be able to adopt that quickly based on the situation that they've got for these EVs.

IMO, hybrid would be the thing in the next decade and implementing and supplying fully EVs will really resort to another shortage and manufacturing problem.

For the end user, after the initial buying price? Probably.
Overall? No. The batteries are expensive and their production is harmful for the environment. I don't think that most countries will even have proper battery disposal facilities by 2035.
Even the charging of EV is a difficult problem, because it can drain the grid under safety levels. EV can have a proper future only after we (humans) invent much better ways of storing electricity for both EV, charging stations, regions (!!).


No. But it will ensure steps towards that.
Remember the original economy light bulbs? They were all neon bulbs with toxic materials in. Meanwhile we switched to LED bulbs. I think that this is the intention: a push towards evolving.

How about those poor countries? Are they capable of having charging stations in those remote areas? I think this would be implemented in rich countries, as they are sure to be capable of it. For sure, in that year, electric cars will be more affordable compared to their price right now, as most people really want electric vehicles, but the problem is that they don't have charging stations, and the price is also very expensive. Also now for sure that it is pretty normal to see electric cars running on the road, unlike right now, it is a head-turner when you see one.

As a child, I loved to read Jules Verne's 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. 

The hero of this novel is the legendary captain Nemo (aka the Indian prince Dakkar).  Captain Nemo built a submarine called the Nautilus.  She was completely powered by electricity!  All Captain Nemo's underwater equipment also worked exclusively on electricity - guns with electric bullets (with which he killed all the pirates), diving suits, etc. 

In the 19th century, it was self-evident that in the future electricity would be the basis of scientific and technological progress. 

Therefore, diesel-powered vehicles are now perceived as a technical regression and a dead end in technological development. 

By 2035, by far, most cars on the road will be electric cars (rather than cars using internal combustion engines). 

At the same time, poor countries will switch to electric vehicles later than rich ones (and this has its advantages, as it will allow them to install the most modern next-generation charging stations).

I think it's just someone's dream, especially those who all the time push some green agendas when it comes to the EU, and then suddenly open thermal power plants using coal, heating oil and similar pollutants because "green" has become unsustainable at this moment. Perhaps some countries will succeed in achieving this goal, but these will still be exceptions in a world where oil will continue to rule much longer than 2035.

I also think that the big oil producers will not just accept that their black gold becomes less valuable with the potential to become completely worthless in the future. In addition, the production of electric cars is quite expensive, and for those who do not know, the basic model of our great hero Mr. Mars costs (at least in my country) over 50 000 EUR (at least it was like that a few months ago). If you're wondering why it costs so much, it's probably because the owner has to pay all those poor people who work all day in the cobalt mines for $2 a day. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5437668.msg61696153#msg61696153)

It's never gonna happen simply because despite popular belief petroleum is not just used as fuel. Loads of different products are being derived from petroleum as products. From the makeup women use to the shaving cream men use, to plastic that is used in almost everything like your home appliance and even the "Electric Cars". It is even used in manufacturing fertilizers so the food industry is dependent on it.

2035 is not too far away. It’s 12 years away. I don’t think the EU could totally eliminate petrol and diesel fueled vehicles in that amount of time. The world with the EU in it has been far too reliant on petrol and diesel fuel vehicles for too long. From comments I’ve read on various places, I think there are still people that prefer petrol fueled cars and don’t like the idea of having electric vehicles for whatever reasons.

From the article, I understood that the production of petrol and diesel used vehicles would stop by 2035. Also the law would be in phases. Perhaps that could be exploited by oil giants to stall the full implementation of the law. But surely, people would still be buying and using petrol fueled cars far beyond the year 2035.

You missed the part about producing the electricity in the first place, which kind of ironic in this context, was done with coal:


So you see, nothing has changed, even if you have an electric car as long as you don't power it with green electricity but with gas and coal you're back in the 19th century.


Some of them will just move to other ventures, as Aramco is already doing it (https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/market-insights/latest-news/natural-gas/061522-aramco-to-invest-in-12-gw-renewables-reduce-upstream-carbon-intensity-by-15-by-2035), Shell has 90 000 (http://shel) charging stations already and plans 500 000, the world has learned how dangerous is to rely on energy imports and everyone wants it produced locally, and the ones that thought they could blackmail the world with it are in for one hell of a surprise.
If somehow the EU manages to finally silence the hardcore eco groups, those that oppose everything, and go ahead with PSH systems to balance the grid, it can drive the prices of operating a EV car so much it won't matter to the initial difference in cost anymore. Plus, there is always the hydrogen fuel cell car, one that  ;) Musk doesn't like!

It would definitely be a dream for all, but frankly it is only possible for the very richest countries at the moment and the more developing countries will slowly get more of this technology after it becomes cheaper later on. One thing that I hope the politicians and policy makers are taking into consideration is how much pollution is produced from things like the rare metals that batteries contain and that should definitely be factored into the pollution & ecological calculations. If in switching from oil to precious materials we end up releasing poison in a different form, it's a shallow way to act. In the long run electric vehicles should be much better for air quality in many ways, but maybe the next step is re-inventing the wheel - rubber leaves a big mess of it's own.

For an automobile cutting down carbon emissions by 100 percent is not possible, best if they said cutting down Co2 we shall buy this!

Btw there are other components of electric cars that will always emit this element talk about tires these will always have a carbon footprint , besides an increase in electric vehicles on the road means more pressure on electricity generation which means fossil fuels will still be burnt to try and produce more of this, but for the sake of the next generation...we have to support the cause as doing nothing we cause more damage and its best to try with something one step at a time till will get to the zero emissions ::)

I thought this isn't enough time for car manufacturers to sell all vehicles they have in inventory and also allow their research departments to find ways to build these electric cars cost effectively while making a profit...well only time will tell if this deadline can be met.

Electrical cars comes with its advantages most importantly it will make the environment more conducive for breathing since it won’t emit any harmful gases.
IT’s adoption will be drive by the government. For example in Africa the cost of purchasing Electrical cars might be too expensive except maybe the government provide incentives to purchase it. The biggest challenge for a continent like Africa in moving away from fossil fuel cars is electricity. Electricity has always been an issue which does comes cheap. For instance to a charge a Tesla car cost up to 4,000 Nigeria naira which is equivalent to the 13% of the country’s minimum wage.

Another challenge is will countries that produce oil and gas not be greatly affected by it mass adoption?

It's nothing more than theatrics. There isn't an electrical grid that exists today that could take all petrol powered vehicles and support them if they required electrical charging stations. The grid would not be able to handle that volume.

If would take many more decades for the infrastructure to be build and for EV/battery technology to be perfected to actually be more efficient than traditional vehicles. Keep in mind, the batteries need raw metals to be manufactured, and it requires energy to extract these metals through mining operations. The calculus of EV's does not merely exist within the confines of a charging station. There's a lot more that's involved.

It can definitely be a reality especially for the Europe it can be a reality much sooner than the rest of the world. Reason is Europe is already ahead in this race than others and most the electricity produced in the country also comes from non conventional and non polluting renewable sources only which makes sense for them to implement e vehicles. 15 years down the dream can definitely be a reality. But for overall airpollution and CO2 levels i am not so sure how much of it comes from Vehicles only.

I doubt petrol/diesel cars will be phased out by then. Petro states will surely be against this big time and they will not allow this to happen at all costs. There probably would be a large cut on the number of ICE cars that will be produced but they will never be removed from the markets until the oil from these petro states are completely depleted and there's no more oil to be had. Perhaps a lot of countries will opt to a lot of hybrids in the coming years instead of fully abandoning petrol cars, and that is the safer option IMO.

Can be a reality in smaller countries like many EU countries but not at all practical for the bigger countries like Russia, China, US, India, Australia etc. Also the price of an EV is a big turndown. 40% of the cost goes to just it's battery.

I quite often go for a long drive. I do at least one long drive every month. Now if I want to use EV, every single time I will have to halt for at least an hour just to recharge the car.

So the target of 2035 looks quite ambitious to me. Unless a technological breakthrough is achieved like fast charging or extraordinary range, EV will remain impractical for bigger countries.

I have used LG smartphones before.  They were great smartphones (great design, great screen, light weight, great cameras). 

However, their battery life left a lot to be desired.  Also, these smartphones very slowly charged the battery from charging. 

However, now I use smartphones from the Chinese company Xiaomi and see great progress in the field of batteries and fast charging technology.  Batteries easily hold a charge for two days, and charge in 40 minutes.  This indicates that technological progress is developing very quickly. 

Returning to LG smartphones - despite the weak battery, they had a very useful feature - a removable battery.  Electric vehicles may also have a removable battery that can be quickly replaced while driving.

That's one obstacle of EVs, not for long driving if the place has no charging stations yet.
The target may be true to some European countries, but I believe the rest of the world may still be having these petrol/diesel cars at that time.
This aim can easily be implemented in small developed countries like Singapore, but most of the third world countries can't afford this yet.
I just hope that by the year 2035, EVs are more affordable in price, as this is one of the bottlenecks why most people won't let go of the traditional cars.

The price of electric cars will go down as more people begin to buy them and manufacturers can afford to sell their cars for a lower price as they obtain profits due to the volume they manage, however it is difficult to see those cars ever being as cheap as conventional cars, so I doubt we will see much adoption of electric cars on the countries which are still developing their economies, also the average individual is not doing so well and it is possible that in the future they may decide to use the public transportation instead of buying an electric car as this becomes a luxury outside of what your average family can afford.

The energy crisis that Europe is going through since entering into an indirect confrontation with Russia has made it think of alternatives that do not make Europe dependent on any party.
If we talk about the European Union only, and if we take into account the number of companies working in the field of hydraulic cars, it is difficult to eliminate this industry within 12 years only because the European market is one of the largest consumers of this type of car.
At the same time, what are the proposed alternatives to diesel cars. Electric cars may offer an alternative, but this industry also has its problems (mainly batteries), and I do not think that the global production of electric cars will be able to meet the needs of the market.

Personally, I am expecting the price of electric vehicles to come down drastically as soon as demand increases, i believe that the reason why the prices are still on the high side is because -
1. There is no much demand for EVs around the world yet, and as such, only a very few of them are being produced based on demand, this is why they are currently very expensive.
2. Due to low demand, it is currently just a few companies that are making EVs, and because of this, there is currently no market competition for electric vehicles yet, the value of EVs will greatly decrease as soon as the demand rises and more car manufacturing companies move into manufacturing EVs, price will decrease because of EV companies competing amongst themselves to be the market leader of most EVs sold.

And yes, I agree that a complete electric vehicle society is very possible and achievable by 2035.

They wont really be allowing it to happen and if EV would really be pushed through but still there would be those hybrids which do really still remain those combustion engine.Whether we do like it or not
i would really that still preferred on having those petrol/diesel cars compared to those electrified ones if we do speak about torque which is something that incomparable
if we do speak into it.Im not saying that EV's are shit but they are really that not just enough on patching up petrol cars all the way.Yes it does help out the environment but
there are really things which arent meant to be solely be focused on.

Statistically, it is known global production of EVs would be required to significantly ramp up for 2035 deadlines to be met.

Copper production would need to increase multiple times over, to meet copper wire demand for EVs. Credit and liquidity could be required to fund the expansion. A healthy consumer market would be needed to purchase the EV's and keep automakers solvent during the vulnerable transition from gasoline combustion vehicles to electric or hybrid. There are a number of dominos that would need to fall into place for a transition from fossil fuel to electric vehicles being possible.

Tesla has planned for many years to built a discount EV priced @ $25,000. Their entry level vehicle could be constructed using tesla's new 4096 tabless batteries. The logistics and price point of the vehicle have been in the works since before COVID and could be exactly what EVs need to hit mainstream markets.

China also has its own range of EVs, some of which are selling in the USA at prices as low as $2,000. There are some analysts who claim china is positioned to takeover the EV market. Although it remains to be seen if they will pan out.

Trying to compare out the prices then it isnt really that justifiable i would say which it is really that too much expensive on buying those EV's without even considering into those expensive maintenance in the future specially about its battery packs.

We arent that dumb not to consider out on how these vehicles would be asking on a particular period which means it would be adding up the cost and expenses which it wont really be that cheap.
I agree on some points above that the performance wouldnt really be the same when we do speak about those petrol powered engines than into electrical ones.

It definitely isn’t enough time for car manufacturers to sell all their petrol and diesel fueled cars they’ve got in inventory. They’ve probably gotten teams already put together way back to research effective ways in which they could easily transition to electric driven vehicles. They would have done so purely for business purposes.
No doubt, the world is slowly moving away from its dependence on oil. It would take quite a while cause we’ve been so reliant on oil. It sure would not take 12 years.

This news is a better-sweet one for my country. It is a bitter one because majority of our income comes from selling crude oil. The ban of electric cars might lead to less consumption of crude oil which will negatively affect our economy.
It is a good one because petrol and diesel powered engines are really destroying our environment because of it's waste emission. So may people have been diagnosed of respiratory problems because of this environmental pollution. This news is also a wake-up call to our government to start making moves to diversify our economy.

It might not be possible for the entire European bloc to achieve this aim in 2035 because thier economy and technology are not in the same level. Some might achieve this feat while others might phaseout diesel and petrol powered cars later.

Although currently there are many promotions for electric cars but only for advanced urban areas, recharging is not available in other areas. So planning for a worldwide deployment of car chargers will take a very long time. I take for example the 5G network example, even though the network card and cellphone support the 5G network, but not all regions have updated the network on the tower.

honestly I think it depends in the effort of building the infrastructure of electric vehicle, I'm sure all those companies don't want their distribution line to be stretched in time just because charging an EV took hours. I'm sure the bigger the vehicle the more battery it gonna needs means longer charging time, I'd say until EV becomes more efficient in terms of time it's never gonna replace fossil fueled vehicles in general.
but it's always good to have some cleaner air so if by that time the EV dominates fossil fueled car that'd become a good news.
It's just that i'm sure it's gonna took longer than that if they're not really commited in building infrastructure and maybe investing heavily in the research of increasing the efficiency and maybe finding some alternatives for its battery like graphene so that the battery tech would take some leaps in giving better alternatives.

maybe in developed countries electric cars will indeed be fully used by the people in 2035. because in developed countries I am quite sure that the development of electric car infrastructure will be completed more quickly. but in developing countries I doubt it. because building infrastructure for charging electric cars also requires very high costs. and I doubt that in 2035 all developing countries and below will be able to complete the construction of electric car charging infrastructure in every corner of the country.

but in Indonesia the government seems to want to finish the electric car infrastructure more quickly, namely the plan is to finish it in 2025. And Indonesia is a developing country that has a passion for infrastructure development in all matters of technological progress, both electric cars and others.

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What if the actual plan is to get people used to not having their own vehicle but rather depend on public transportation?
If the prices of batteries and EV rise over the capacity of the average citizen, I bet government won't care much to reduce those prices but rather have a good enough electric buses and subways.

The law only applies for new cars, so obviously gas vehicles will slowly die due to obsolescence.

This is going to be hard to execute, because the oil dependent countries will face surely experience economic downturn. In oil dependent countries the fuel expense is cheaper than using an electric vehicle. Atleast for that reason it is possible to see petrol and diesel vehicles running on those countries. The plan to eliminate petrol and diesel vehicles will be applicable for specific countries and not for all the countries.

If such scenario exists does the F1 races too have the electric vehicles that go for the battery change in pitstop between laps. ;)

Your analogy doesn't make sense, if many people start to buy electric car, the price of the car will increase because it have a high demand. What can make electric car is cheaper because there are a lot manufactures can produce a lot electric car, so they need to set an appropriate price in order to make people buy it and not looking on the other manufactures.

The @OP has been mentioned it will happen on EU, not majority of countries around the world. Even though there are few countries have a lot oil, but it wouldn't last long and they're forced to adopt electric car in the future. Those countries need to move more faster before it will cause a panic and economic problem.

That's called economy of scale. Economies of scale are when the more you produce of something, the cheaper it gets. This is because you can spread out the costs of production over a larger number of units you make.

For example, let's say you run a factory that produces bicycles. If you only produce a few bicycles, you'll have to pay for things like rent, electricity, and employee wages, but you'll be spreading those costs over a small number of bicycles. This means that the cost per bicycle will be relatively high.

If you start producing more bicycles, you can spread those same costs over a larger number of bicycles and the cost per bicycle will go down, making it cheaper for you to produce each bicycle.

With electric cars, a lot of costs go into batteries and electronics. The fewer cars you make the more expensive they are. Hope this makes sense.

It's not too hard but the problem is there are too many limitations for the electric car especially in how long distance that can be travelled caused by it's not so many vehicles that can travel very long distances. Battercy capacity, eficientcy of vehicle will always become very big questions as you can't get cheap electric vehicles with big battery that can achieve long distance to travel.


You have formula e which already exist https://www.fiaformulae.com/en

That was fully based on electricity. I have never watched it before. I see no problem even when it was moving to the fully electricity.

Maybe it can be achieved in 2035 or even sooner because now, production for electric cars seems to have started to accelerate. Reducing petrol and diesel fueled vehicles is needed because there are very worrying where is a lot of pollution in every big city.

But the technology for electric cars is still being developed to reach the desired stage. There will probably be a reduction in sales of petrol and diesel vehicles while continuing to roll out electric vehicles that can accommodate that need. Maybe European countries already feel ready with the technology for electric vehicles so they make laws so that things can start right away when the time comes.

There is nothing fantastic about this idea. In Norway, for example, now 4 out of 5 cars sold are electric cars. And from 2025 they plan to completely stop selling private cars with internal combustion engines. The question is not "pushing through some green programs", the question is that fossil deposits are not unlimited, but in addition to ICE, oil has its own markets - this is the chemical industry, and for the time being oil is definitely indispensable there. And transport is quietly migrating either to hybrid solutions (transitional period) or then to fully electric ones. Especially since today, in the United States, a working controlled thermonuclear fusion has been experimentally obtained, which in the future will make it possible to obtain a huge amount of cheap energy without environmental pollution. Now they are just hysterical and throw fakes like "you can't live without oil", countries that are technologically backward and are raw material appendages of the developed world. The UAE, being the strongest supplier of oil, has been actively investing in alternative energy for 2 decades (this is tens of billions of dollars received from the sale of oil). And those who are backward - squeal "you will die without our oil." These are squeals from the authors of the touching fairy tale "Europe will freeze without our gas" :))

I don't know if you heard this, but there is a new trend of mining right now under the ocean, where they will get tons of minerals and also use them for creating batteries. A lot of companies are racing on this to first make their own machines to extract those minerals, and it is also supported by governments as it is way less destructive than the actual mining we have right now, which destroys forests. Their main purpose also on this is getting ready for the demand for making EV vehicles in the future.

I would love to have that time when most public transportation are reliable just like in Japan and other rich countries. Because I can see that many countries are car eccentric and that's why public transportation is like an option for those that can't afford.

I didn't know and never heard of it.

If there's a way to mine for those mineral for creating batteries then that's good but, I'd say that it won't be permanent and there will still be a shortage once the demand increases for EVs.

Incase you need it here is an article about it Source (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/08/29/world/deep-sea-riches-mining-nodules.html) though there are also cons of it they said but I think this cant be stopped right now as we really need this materials in the future. It wouldn't be permanent but our ocean is I think 70% right so it is huge than our land masses so probably it will take more time that we will going to shortage on this but the biggest problem right now is how it contributes to environment as for sure we are affected on it.

Countries like Norway or Sweden are exceptions if we consider other parts of Europe, because they have long since overcome some basic obstacles and due to their natural resources and high standard of living, they can afford to reach some goals much earlier than everyone else. Some data say that in Denmark even 70% of people use bicycles or public transport, and they are not even interested in the state's generous incentives when it comes to buying electric vehicles.

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Another important point that we may not have mentioned is that the ban on production vehicles with internal combustion does not mean that everyone will suddenly switch to electric vehicles or some other alternative - all those who own old vehicles should continue to use them as long as they want to - or until the government decided to close all gas stations.

The concept that all gasoline and diesel vehicles will be banned by 2035 makes me chuckle. It's a worthy aim, but I'm not sure how realistic it is. Buyers may have a hard time making the transition to electric automobiles despite the fact that they are more expensive than conventional vehicles. When I consider how much energy is expended in the mines to produce the metals used to construct electric automobiles, I have to wonder if they are truly sustainable. Who can predict what kind of cutting-edge technologies will be introduced in the coming decade? Only time will tell if this strategy was successful. But I'm going to keep driving my trusty gas-powered automobile for the time being and cross my fingers

I think this goal can be achieved in 12 years. In recent years, the car manufacturers have been able to prepare for this law to come at some point and I think they have been preparing for it for a long time and are taking all the necessary measures. The development of new electric cars will certainly be pushed ahead in the next few years and who can say how effective they will be in 2035. Certainly better than today.

But until all the old petrol and diesel vehicles are gone from the streets, it will probably take another 10-20 years, I would guess. Unless there will be a law against the use of such vehicles, which I don't think there will be. But if this doesn't happen quickly enough, I can imagine that use will be restricted more and more and people will voluntarily switch to an electric car. This will certainly avoid that there will be a general ban.  ;)

Yes this is possible, as what I am seeing right now day by day technology is being used now in many cases in many ways , it is truly a fast paced indeed. Sooner or later most of the jobs now are being run by AI , ML . For example in some factory, many people will be laid off and it will be replace by robots, soon many car companies will offer their unique version of self driving cars and such. Diesel fueled car will no longer available in the market.

It is very difficult to predict future with accuracy but it is becoming increasing likely that petrol/diesel cars sales will be phased out in many parts of the world. United Kingdom has already set target to ban sales of new petrol/diesel cars from 2030, and Canada wants to follow suit by 2035.It is also important to note that many major car manufacturers are making heavy investments in Electric Vehicles (EV) which suggests that they are preparing for future with no or little demand for petrol/diesel cars.The cost of running electric cars is also becoming lower compared to petrol/diesel cars, though its purchase price is higher, but with the technological advancement, it is likely to come down in future.

Taking all these factors into consideration, it is reasonable to expect that goal of phasing out petrol/diesel cars will be achieved by 2035.

European countries made a tough decision and took quick action in this regard. I expect such a decision to come, now officially approved. I think it will take a long time for countries with no charging infrastructure or financial means to pass, maybe they will still continue to use gasoline/diesel vehicles. I do not know what action can be taken in this regard, as a result, the whole world is affected by the gases produced by gasoline and diesel vehicles.

car prices wont come down much.

however
a. inflation will make car prices seem reasonable value
~4%-5% inflation a year for 12 years is the same as "50% discount" of value
EG a $40k car now. and a $40k car in 12 years will feel like
buying 30,000 loaves of bread now vs 15,000 loaves of bread in 12 years
equivalent of a 3 year degree now vs 18 month diploma in 12 years
3 years of middleclass rent vs 18months of middleclass rent

b. most local/regional governments are also investing in small/public transport
such as making cycles paths and public commuter buses, driverless taxis so that those that cannot afford electric cars can still get around reasonably cheap using a electric bike. scooter, bus or taxi whereby the bus or taxi will be low cost due to lack of driver labour costs

c. most cars life cycle are 32 years* so the cars bought 2003 years ago wont exist in the 2035
so they do not need to cater to demand now to reach goal for 2035. they just need to grow now to cater to demand of 2035+
*EG if average cars produced a year in the US is 9mill and there are 290m cars
that means a cars life cycle is 32years

they dont need to be making 9m EV cars now per year
but over next 12 years get upto that 9m-10m production mark

d. expanding on (c) point fuel cars will still be around and gas/fuel stations will still be around in 2050-60.. they just wont be producing fuel based cars from 2035

Regardless of the positive impact reliable public transportation systems can have on the environment and on the life of people, we cannot forget that those systems and vessels are very expensive and not all countries will be initially able to buy them and maintain them properly. That is why you can talk about Japan or Europe while referencing their railroads and buses, but the context is very different in South America and Africa, for example.

Perhaps, some rich countries would be interested in giving some low interest loans for it, since working together against global warming has some emphasis in Europe and America.

Or with a number of policies and offers that frankly provide many advantages for old car owners to exchange for new EVs, as Thailand has done which seems to be targeting 30% of vehicle production to be EVs in the next 8 years, (2030):

• sales of EV units at subsidized prices^[1];
  
• purchase excise tax incentive package^[2].
  

I also thinking about several steps that the government can take until the target is met:

• Subsidized charging costs at fuel stations.
• The cost of maintenance and purchase of spare parts in the official workshop.
• tax exemption for several years.

1. https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/2321562/inside-thailands-ev-revolution
2. https://www.aseanbriefing.com/news/thailand-issues-new-incentive-package-for-electric-vehicle-industry/

By 2035 I would think new sales internal combustion engine cars will be rare. At least in places like the US, Europe, Japan. Wouldn't be surprised in those sorts of places if there are no more new fossil fuel cars by then (well maybe the US will still have some but it might be like 10% of new sales). Third world countries though will still have ICE cars for a good long while. It'll take them longer to transition to the newer tech and to build the charging infrastructure.

I completely understand what you are trying to say! We all have seen that transition. That's why I have mentioned unless a technological breakthrough is achieved and unless the price of batteries is slashed, it's hard for EV to see commercial success. Also, a lot depends on the EV infrastructure. I have seen many EU countries have decent EV infra, especially Norway! But this is easier for a smaller country to manage. But for bigger countries like India or China or Russia, it is extremely difficult.

But the silver lining here is that the governments are taking an interest to promote EV through tax benefits and policy changes. I will end with a personal story. I had purchased my second car in December 2022. The same car is available in EV as well but I have got the petrol one. It is simply because the EV car with the same feature is at least 30% costlier. The price is a big factor.

It seems that from now on, car companies will have to work hard to make electric cars that can replace petrol and diesel cars so that by that year, they can sell electric cars. One day, gasoline and diesel resources will run out, and there must be a renewable energy source that can replace them. That is why electric cars are expected to be an alternative to reduce CO2 emissions or pollution from vehicles. And by that time, the use of cars will reduce and be replaced by electric cars worldwide.

Banning petrol/diesel cars by 2035 seems like a pretty drastic measure. I don't think that the EV industry is going to fully replace the conventional cars in such short time frame. 12 years isn't enough. Li-Ion batteries simply aren't good enough and they have to be replaced by new batteries. Most of the new battery technologies would require at least a decade of testing, before they hit the market.
Another problem is the amount of electricity, that's going to be needed in order to fill the demand. Solar panels and wind turbines won't be enough to cover the demand and energy storage is also a problem, because the system will have to be somewhat balanced.

Hopefully a pipe dream. I am one of those who prefer ICE cars over EV's. I love my car and as long as I can buy another, I will. I will never buy a EV. If they give me one for free, i will just sell it and buy an ICE car. EV's are not suitable for making long trips and the range simply sucks. If the weather is too hot, the range goes down. If the weather is too cold the range goes down. I already carry a cellphone with me and its battery life drives me crazy. I don't need another troublemaker.

I think instead of making cars running on batteries, they should make phones running on oil. I would pre-order an ICE cell-phone.

I don't think that this will make our world better. We still don't have real ecological alternatives for petrol cars

Pollution and greenhouse effect caused by combustion engines are alarming and are detrimental to health, the climate has to be preserved, and I believe the world power will lead by example as they are already working towards realising it.

But the initial challenge will be the price of the cars and machines produced. They can't be cheap initially, and the ones we've seen now are not cheap to be sincere. However, 2035 is 12 years ahead, and many things are still possible. Yet, I know the G-6 countries would try, but they might still not be able to fade away 50% of their target by then. This would be worse in developing and underdeveloped countries.

So, in my view, it might take over a century to fade this away after some genuine efforts towards the project.

They don't plan to ban the sale of all petrol/diesel cars by 2035, but instead the sale of new cars. If they really go through this idea, I can see people massively switching to used cars instead of buying new electric ones, at least in the less developed EU countries like mine.

Overall its just a stupid idea and nothing but a dream but they just don't realize it yet.

Please pay attention, the EU law bans the sale of new petrol and diesel cars not the use of existing cars (also no mentions of import?). So, theoretically,  you could buy a new car on December 31, 2034 and drive it for another 5-10years. So, there's a chance we'll see 70-80% EV share in EU in some 20-30 years most probably. Will the sale of petrol cars stop in 2035? Most probably yes. Will petrol cars disappear from roads by 2035? Definitely no.

And to answer your other question: yes, I think electric cars will become more efficient and cheap than now.  8)

You have noticed a very subtle nuance! Indeed, in these countries, approaches to life, the concept of values is very different from the classical behavior of people living for the sake of "accumulation" and visible wealth. Therefore, the value of the car in these countries has decreased. Many people refuse to become a full-fledged owner due to the lack of a constant need. A lot of people use car-sharing and other convenient services that do not burden wallets. Of course, there will be a layer for which a car is an opportunity to show "its advantages" and "its status".

But I think that in today's situation, Russia has staged an oil and gas terror in Europe, will only accelerate the process of Europeans switching to cars that are less dependent on "fuel for the implementation of political complexes and grievances." Whatever one may say, oil will rise in price in the future - its reserves are not unlimited, and the development of new fields is becoming more and more difficult and expensive. Therefore, the transition to at least hybrids and then to full-fledged electric cars is already in the near future. Yes, with the exception of economically and technologically backward countries with underdeveloped economies, where buying and owning an electric car will be very expensive and difficult

Possible but I think it will take a little longer than stated if it would be exclusive to cars or any vehicles. Right now e-scooters and the likes are being a trend. What slows down the process is simply electricity being expensive still at the present simply because resources of it is still not as accessible as supposed to. Also, I doubt diesel and petrol would be totally replaced especially to industries given that natural resources will always have its use and function aside from being cheaper than alternatives. But since we are talking about cars, this will come into reality once it is less expensive than the usual source of power for vehicles.

It will be very difficult for other government from other countries to accept such kind of decisions, basically government of any country have the right to decide for her people but not on the aspect of depriving them what will enhance good living. For the aspect of banning vehicles which uses petrol and diesel, if such policy is passed by their law makers and it happened to be implemented, the citizens will suffer for it. Except it will be another means whereby they make provisions of transportation more easier, because i know that without vehicle's that's using diesels and petrols live will not be easier and convenient for the living.

I'm sure this trend will happen in the future when electric vehicles grow rapidly, in my country, our government even provides sizable subsidies to people who are willing to switch to cars or electric vehicles, in the future electric vehicles will definitely dominate the market and sales will boom. I myself really like electric cars, very environmentally friendly and also have no noise pollution.

It's not happening very soon, electric vehicles won't generate money like cars running on petrol and diesel, the man that invented a car using water to run was assassinated because this will make petrol useless or make the government less money, Cars running on gas is still better than using electricity, I am not saying it's impossible but I doubt it will generate better money, right now, its less safe to even drive electric vehicles, because I keep hearing they go up in flames and burn down with no reason.

It is really not happening very soon, but for sure, 2035 would be a possibility. Yes, we can see a lot of EVs got burned; there are a lot of issues, but we are already far as we have already started to do it, meaning it just needs tweaking to be perfect like petrol or gas. I also heard the man behind the invention of using water to run a car, which goes silent as gas is always the business of big and powerful people, but it is not the same with EVs as they were also backed by big people. Most of the first-world countries are starting to adopt it, so the possibility of it being adopted worldwide is huge, but it will take decades.

I'm still in doubt about this new laws they are trying to pursue to happen but 2035 is a very long years and it isn't even half of the set year yet some car companies are making already those electric car. Maybe in some other countries it's a thing but on the others there might be a dispute or something hence, their business of oil will be get affected because of this.

On the other hand, if this law is passed then this will really benefit a lot on our ecosystem. Scientist's are warning us about the global warming and other catastrophe if we don't get rid of the poison that's slowly killing our planet then the predicted time that the humanity would extinct is getting smaller.

I can't say what other countries' policy is in that aspect but there is serious crisis of electricity going on in my country. So banning patrol and diesel vehicle and replacing them with electric vehicles is not possible at least in my country. EU is developed region and they can bring such legislation in there country. Infact 5 days ago they have given final approval to ban on sales of fossil fuel vehicles by 2035.
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230214-eu-gives-final-approval-to-2035-ban-on-new-fossil-fuel-car-sales

If that is true then that only means that most governing bodies in the world are moving towards a gasless and more electric society. This could definitely happen soon in first and second-world countries but third world countries will lag behind this progress. What's worse is that they could be the new focal point of the exploitation that oil tycoons enact upon the world right now, seeing as they couldn't choke the whole world as hard as they could in the past. They'd probably do something to prolong their obsolescence but then again it stands that they will not remain forever, much like the resources they claim as theirs and sell for jack-high prices. Anyways, I've read from a different article and a twitter post that this could most likely happen in 50 years or within 2050, I am not sure anymore because this was from a long time ago and I can't find the article for the life of me. In any case, future's looking bright for the world and provided that electric mobility is facilitated well, we could very much bid goodbye to gas powered vehicles.

I still think people do not realize that this isn't a solution at all. It is basically just a situation where you are spending another energy source, but that doesn't mean its clean. For example, if you produce this energy by burning coal, then using EV doesn't make it "clean". I get that people imagine solar panels and wind turbines that generate energy to make a car run but that is just a guess and only in some nations. While there are still other nations that spend coal as their energy which causes all these troubles in pollution, so even a tesla would be hurting the world if you use that energy. We don't need to change the way we spend our electricity, we need to change how we produce it in order to have a better future.

I'm quite skeptical regarding this "You'll own nothing, and you'll be happy" lifestyle. For many needs car-sharing is not very convenient and is too expensive. As to the energy, I'm sure you know we're still burning coal and natural gas to produce it. We already have electricity shortage in many regions. Building more charging stations and selling more EVs will make things much worse.

The new law will start on 2035, right? So people still have lot of time to adjust or prepare about this new change. I don't think it was a tough decision when its said that the cost for it are much cheaper than the traditional ones. People will also feel better in terms of their health because there are no more gas emissions.

The world will now thank us for this because it can now breathe clearer. For other poorer countries, this may take time to be implemented but they can surely do what they can to be able to catch up and won't get left behind from this new trend. For now they can continue using gas and diesel, and there are no serious offence for doing this.

Yes, the problem with electric machines is the part of the battery, the waste in this battery also has substances that are quite harmful to the environment so maybe we need an appropriate place for disposal, and we also really haven't found an alternative to making batteries because today the materials for making Batteries are also quite difficult and expensive, so it may need further development to become a cheaper product in the future.

But I think the 17-year gap to reach the target is enough time to make preparations, as we know that in this era development is faster than before, it is possible that 2035 can be implemented even though it is not evenly distributed.

If the policy is finally implemented that means most of the petrol and diesel automobile assembly plants will lay off majority of their staff leading to massive unemployment and job cut, except they convert their machine to electric car manufacturing assembly plant, well I think electric car it is a welcome development going by the high rate of pollution from the exhaust pipes of those petrol and diesel vehicle particularly in many developing or third countries there are plenty unserviceable vehicles mostly imported from advance countries which constituted a lot of pollution once those cars is replaced with electric cars that will put an end to pollution.

Simple to toss up a goal or date.

Most likely Europe will be closer to all electric ⚡️ by 2040 or 2045.

I would love to see this happen by 2035 but I would think ten years later.

That will happen only in Europe, not all countries in the world. Then we know that this country is the only one that can be said to be a rich and developed country. So it is possible to say that they can do that.

But in a country that is struggling to develop, I don't think that can be practically applied because others are not fully aware of the technology we have today. Then that can still change until 2035 before it happens.

I think this is a dream, the ranking of the world's top companies today is dominated by oil companies, and of course they have a good analysis of the future of oil, I have even read that oil will continue to be needed by humans and cannot be replaced, maybe there are currently many auto companies that make electric cars, but auto experts believe that oil vehicles will last a long time.

most oil free energy tech is owned by wait for it:

oil companies.

So if switching to green means they make more money on green tech they will switch.

I think that is what the main goal should be. People are aiming at having clean energy, but they are just telling the nations to support it, nothing more. If they could make it so much profitable to have solar panels and wind turbines compared to having oil mines, then why would oil companies keep on digging for more oil?

It's easy enough to realize that they only care about their profits, so make green energy more profitable and you solve the issue yourself. All those oil companies will focus on making a profit from green instead of oil and they will spend billions upon billions to make it happen. If we focus on that, our future will be very green.

The question of solving the problem of the power reserve of electric vehicles is a matter of "the coming days." Already, there are quite affordable electric vehicles with a range of 400-500 km. I am sure that by 2025 the problem "1 charge = 1000 km" will already become commonplace. And with the development of supercapacitor technology and alternative battery technologies, in the next 3-5 years, the amount of energy in batteries will many times exceed the duration of the trip of any internal combustion engine. Replacing the battery with an electric car easily solves the issue of increasing the range. And you, with a tank in your car, will only drive the prescribed distance, with no chance to change it, except by buying another car. At the same time, I can predict that in many countries, with the growth of the electric car market, gas stations will become a rarity, and there will be no parking every kilometer, there will be no demand for them.

I think that this plan was drawn up for a different reason than to reduce carbon dioxide emissions in the atmosphere. Rather, because these countries need to reduce gasoline consumption. In any case, this is an excellent initiative, and it is worth all the difficulties that will have to be overcome to its full implementation.  I think by 2037 there won't be a single gasoline-fueled car left. I think the industrial sector of these 27 countries needs to think about how to convert cars with gasoline engines into electric traction. Then they won't have to throw them all in the landfill.

Or it could just be a plan. The other countries are looking at it differently because no petrol/diesel with ruin the industrialization of the countries that produce products. Without it, it will destroy their economy.

You know, they also want to improve the lives of thier people.  Without petrol/diesel, the economy of India or China will also be ruined and they are the rising power in the east. Are they not going to protect thier interest?

The rest of the world back in thier time have been using Petrol and diesel to manufacture products and making their country rich, should India and China deprive thier country to become superpower as well?

This law bans the sale of new petrol and diesel vehicles in the EU from 2035. And this means that old cars running on gasoline and diesel fuel will continue to drive on the roads of the European Union for a long time to come. But the law itself is useful and necessary. The need to phase out gasoline and diesel internal combustion engines is evident due to the current rapid climate change. If the climate continues to change and many countries see this as an obvious danger, then the transition to electric cars may even accelerate. On the other hand, every year electric cars will improve and become cheaper. So this law in the EU, I think, will work in a timely manner.

This is possible and it will happen. 2035 is quite a big number of years. Only 2 years is OK for a very big change to happen let alone 10yrs time. Even if the law is not passed, people on their own will be drifting away from the use of combustion engine vehicles. Humanity likes safety and convenience and moreso they tend to follow trends. By 2035 many things will change to your greatest surprise.

By the way, yes. If you now look at the market for individual vehicles, there are unicycles, scooters, bicycles, and electric motorcycles. It has become an alternative to the car, for local trips. The home-work-shop-home cycle is quite well provided by the above solutions.
Regarding "often catch fire and burn out" - I'll tell you - a lot of cars constantly break down, get into accidents, and people die there. But let me clarify - these are very budget, very low-quality, without normal security solutions. Similarly, low-quality electric vehicles.
By the way, the ignition of cars with internal combustion engines, both on gasoline and on gas, is not uncommon, although the technology has been around for more than 100+ years

The effects of emission from petrol and diesel powered is becoming more of a concern as it contributes to global warming. It makes sense that there is an intentional move to slow down global warming by reducing the sales of petrol and diesel powered automobiles and replacing them with electrical vehicles. Tesla and some other automobile companies have already proven that it is possible, so in the coming years, we will see more automobile companies move into the production and sales of electrically powered vehicles, which will then replace Petrol and diesel and make them old-fashion.

Even Honda and Toyota have started to make their own electric cars right now, as they knew the market would be better for EV cars than traditional ones. Yamaha is also making electric motorcycles, which are pretty hot right now as most motorcycle enthusiasts want one as it is way more affordable and they can save up. Though it doesn't mean it will replace all, as there are still countries like remote areas where having an EV is difficult, so they will stick to gasoline cars for their area.

This will be possible to achieve in the year 2035,since there will make the price cheap for people to afford. This will be more economical compare to petrol cars when it comes to maintenance. This will cause low demand on petrol,gas and diesel.

It will be impossible in some parts of the world, like the third world countries who suffers from constant power supply as it will be a big challenge for them to embrace this change. Some Africa countries depends on crude oil byproducts to survive and might find it difficult to stop the use of petrol cars.

I’d like to always think that anything is possible. But I don’t think it would be easy to achieve all that in 10 years time. And I wonder how exactly would manufactures make the prices cheap and affordable for the people to use. I think if it’s attainable, it would not be easy solely for the fact that people are used to diesel and petrol fueled engines.

It won’t be impossible in developing nations. It would be extremely difficult, but not impossible. And it would definitely take a whole lot more than a decade to have developing nations transit to electric run vehicles. Some other countries and not just ones in the African continent depend on a huge part on oil for their energy needs.
The sooner the world sheds off its dependence on oil, the better for us all.

Dude China and India have gambled that banging out kids is the way to go.

Those 2 countries have close to 3 billion of the 8 billion people in the world. Yet only have 2.5% of the land mass.

so 37% of the people and 2.5% of  the land .

I left out antarctica .

so basically those numbers mean they should lower their population to land ratio.

and oil gas or coal vs wind solar or hydrogen won't help much.

I guess if they invent a cold fusion reactor they could catch up a bit.

But the people to land number is a big concern.

BTW people to land mass works out really well for Russia. I would suspect that Russia would continue to use oil and coal and nat gas for the next 100 years as global warming favors them bigly

Long back itself India aimed to stop the sale of petrol and diesel cars by 2030. In reality is this possible is the question. At any circumstances, this isn't gonna happen. To meet the needs of the vehicles in usage India have got around 70k fuel stations. Even if the electric vehicle sales reaches the peak of 80% sales of two wheelers, 70% of taxi vehicles and 40% of commercial vehicles there is need of 1.5% increase in the need of oil by 2030. It means the market of electric vehicle increases along with some good rise in the need for oil.

From the health aspect, One of the major reasons why electric cars were designed, was to reduce the creation of deadly hydrocarbons like Co2 gas that forms from exhaust of vehicles and burning.  In some poor countries where economy is very low creating such laws won't be of any help to them because the prices of such vehicles will be at a very high cost of which most of them cannot afford. Also there will be high cost of maintenance for such vehicles and not all countries can afford providing such services for it's citizens so therefore creating more problems for the economy. I really don't think banning the sales of petrol using vehicles will actually have any benefits. Now let's say this law is implemented, will it only cover just vehicles? What about bikes, lorries, trucks and other locomotive engines will they also be converted to electric running machines? Because if yes then it will take more than the next 10 years for this to be accomplished.

If you want to use land then you should use people to "livable land" ratio because in some countries a considerable percentage of the geography is not livable like Russia, Japan, Canada, etc.

this is likely to happen in 2035 where sales of gasoline and diesel will be scarce, this is evidenced by the many car companies that modify gasoline into electricity.  People have even felt the scarcity of oil from now on, in addition to reducing pollution on earth, electric cars are a community solution to protect the environment and natural resources so they don't become extinct. As we know, oil, diesel and gasoline are non-renewable resources.  .

Until it will take few minutes to charge electric cars battery to 100% and such will be able to run +1k km on a single charge, there will be no switch from petrol/diesel cars to electric. Still dont understand how people agreed to wait so long before their car charges fully. Not everyone is able to work remotely and allow himself to spend lose so much time on charging. This goes completely against saying "time is money". If only we had car batteries with enough capacity that can be "pulled out-put in". Only then we can refuse cars with petrol/diesel.

It is foolish to argue that everything will be the same for everyone everywhere. Different levels of development of society provide different opportunities. There are regions where people don’t understand at all why a car, if you left the hut, here’s a palm tree for you, here’s an ocean for you - collect / catch - and you are provided with everything! There are countries where, for example, even the power grids are simply not developed. And they will continue to ride buffaloes or bicycles. There are countries where they know what electricity is and it is even available in almost every home, but the standard of living, in terms of income, does not allow mass purchase of even simple cars, and therefore most people ride scooters. There are countries where people refuse pension supplements because they think it is not the right economic move, and will not bring anything good for the economy. At the same time, they have everything, including several cars in the canopy, and high-class cars, and they will gladly buy a more environmentally friendly even now.

Similarly, with services and energy - if carsharing was not convenient, it would not be on the market. But the topic is objectively convenient. Renting a car, especially with such a service, is mega-convenient. Personally enjoyed! Here is an example - we flew with friends to rest, oh. Tenerife. We all have our own cars at home. We were going to travel around the island, to see it. On foot, it’s difficult, scooters are not suitable, friends have small children. We just took and rented the necessary cars - they themselves are tailored to small children, my wife and I are comfortable in a more compact car. The right class, the right size, with the right options (child seats for friends, a convertible for my family). Or did you have to bring your own car? I'm not ready for such an act :)
  And in the mentality of many people there is already a paradigm shift from "ownership" to "dynamic satisfaction of needs."

Energy - I also agree that not everything is good everywhere. But it is necessary and it will be changed! I hope we will find the time when electricity becomes simple, affordable and ubiquitous, for all inhabitants of the earth

But if you think about it again I don't think it will actually happen completely, heavily loaded vehicles definitely use diesel to be more effective in delivering goods from area to area, even today when gasoline is the top priority for cars, still Diesel fuel is the main choice for heavy vehicles because it will be more effective for the capital and strength of the car itself, most likely if this electric power is applied to a car that is heavily loaded it will definitely require more power and burn higher capital.
But for a lightly loaded car vehicle it is possible for the 2035.

thats questionable
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homes can be built literally anywhere
though Chernobyl, Fukushima and bikini islands is least likely desirable place to build a home

Charging stations would be commonly placed on places where people do usually park but there would be those points on where it would be placed just like those petrol stations too.
You are right that time is money on which you cant really just wait up for some time because you are charging up along the way.Its true that when it comes to convenience or on the go then
petrol will still rule out.This is why i dont see the chances or probabilities that it would be replaced up soon because there are things which are supposed to be staying because it is
way more efficient and sensible on having rather than on total changes.

I will limit my dissatisfaction to long charging times.

I live in a city with population around one million. When I took electro car for test drive, I have visited probably 3 or 4 charging places and all of them were occupied. People come, connect their car, and leave for a work and etc. Instead of charging and driving away, they leave their car there, as this is a free parking or parking place. That is why to charge a car, I must complete a quest and find a free spot. I can agree to wait 30-90 minutes while car charges, but I find it stupid to drive around and search for a unoccupied charging place. This is annoying, this is nervous, as I am driving a recharging car. I am scared that one time such search will stop with 0km charge somewhere in the middle of a street.

We may see no car manufacturers will be manufacturing IC engine cars by that time because already the hige manufacturers are doing R&D for producing the practical EV vehicles but the charging station infrastructure is lacking in most countries so people are not buying it now but I feel by 2025/26 itself we can see the actual evolution of EV vehicles.

And, in places where blackouts are likely to happen, nobody will even be able to use their cars. Whereas gas stations can continue functioning even without power as long as the station itself has a generator - but the cars themselves need none of that.

If you've ever refueled a car before, you'll know that the process takes a few minutes maximum. Even with smaller devices such as PCs and phones, the charging can take hours. So I'm wondering how electric cars will be able to be recharged in a reasonable amount of time, let alone minutes.

I know Tesla's making it fashionable to use "charging stations" and leave your car parked there for hours, but that's a pretty dumb idea if you need to get somewhere fast, or if you're driving a taxi or bus or even for Uber/Lyft.

My response to OP's question is that it is both a dream and reality, depending on where you live. Let me break this down. For this goal to be achieved, certain parameters from the government, businesses, and individuals must already be in place.

Achieving no petrol or diesel car sales by 2035 is most likely to become a reality in Europe, Asia, and Australia because there is already an enabling environment for this to happen in these regions. However, in Africa, this is the least of our problems because we do not trust the government to provide the necessary and enabling environment to have electric cars on the roads. We still suffer from an epileptic power supply , incessant power outages; in fact it is a struggle even to try to use alternative sources of energy. I would say this may be possible in 2100. I say this not because I want to sound pessimistic, but because I am currently living in that reality at the moment, and I know what it feels like to live in a region with low resources and where the government doesn't care about investment or anything else.

Well, at least in theory, the driver should charge the car before it gets under a limit (20% maybe?) and normally don't go over 90% (because after that it's very slow).
And, if the drivers are not assholes keeping the charging stations busy (I think that Tesla has fixed that by charging them heftily for the extra time) one will easily find a place to charge his car.


Indeed, even with tricks like charging only from 20% to 90%, charging still takes a lot of time, more than for combustion cars. That's one reason why something new needs invented.


One of my points was the better storage for electricity is needed. This would most probably means that such charging stations will have their own special, big capacity batteries (yet to be invented). The charging would go from there (to not overload the grid) and in case of blackouts they can still use their battery for powering their own business. Of course, if the blackout lasts too long.. nothing can help, you're right on that.

Development is moving pretty fast, but we must understand that 2035 is not such a long time from now, it is just merely 12 or so years away, thus making it almost impossible for co2 emission vehicles to be completely (100%) out of the market, there would prolly be improvements regarding some of the factors affecting the widespread of EV's, but i don't don't think it is possible that they would dominate the roads in EU countries come 2035.

Having said that, by 2035 both petrol/diesel cars and EV's would both be used in the EU, and there would surely be a rise in the adoption of EV's by then. Number of charging stations, battery issues, charging speed, cost of the vehicles, etc, are some of the problems associated with the adoption of EV's, but by 2035 there is bound to be solutions to most of them, but not to the extent of making petrol/diesel cars extinct in the EU.

Yes, I think it is not going to be a simple road, and we are going to face with a bit of financial differences, because right now people could buy very cheap second hand gas cars, whereas the EV ones are still quite expensive, and in order for it to be 100% just EV on the road, which it will never happen, even today there are people who use cars from 60's just because they like the look of it.

So, it is impossible to be 100% EV but lets assume at least 80%+ and even that would only happen if we can somehow cut the costs, when a decent Tesla is worth 15k or at max 20k, we can definitely see it, 30+ thousand, even as high as 50k with some stuff included max package, and it is not possible.

I guess classic car rent would be more suitable for the trip you described - you don't have to pay for minutes and kilometers, don't have to waste time on chasing car-sharing cars all around the unfamiliar neighborhood. You can forget something in the car easily as you have to take your stuff with you every time, you can't leave it in the car because you have to swap cars and the next driver may take it. 

Do we really think that petrol or oil industry would really be letting for this thing to happen? No its not and this is why i dont really believe on such idea or innovation.Yes, we might be seeing that we are slowly progressing when it comes on moving into EV's but still we do know that petrolled cars is always been better on most aspect.We could really save up the environment + we could save up cost from fuel but
we would really be in balance about on the expenses if these ev's would be in repair or somewhat in maintenance.This is why it does have its con's too and also it couldn't
really outmatched a petrol powered when it comes to power and torque.

The world is developing at a fast pace technological e that I strongly believe that this goal is achievable. It is achievable in the sense that it would happen in phases. Petrol and diesel cars would not just disappear off our street overnight but it will start with the reduction in the production of these vehicles and the increase in production of electric powered vehicles. One other thing that would help these become a reality if new car companies other than Bentley,
Toyota, Honda, Ford and the rest of the go into the production of electric powered vehicles. I feel that after the world has achieved this goal they would move into setting another goal for a driverless car.

Maybe its true, almost every card production companies have turned their attention towards the electric vehicles. Even  Bentley have come up with its plan to debut electric vehicle by 2025 (https://electrek.co/2022/08/16/bentley-debuts-new-model-ev-lineup/#:~:text=Bentley%20plans%20to%20release%20an,Factory%E2%80%9D%20to%20scale%20EV%20production). Then what will be the situation of the countries that depend completely on the oil economy. Maybe the percentage of production will vary, but the fuel vehicles will be in production parallel to the electric vehicles.

If it does happen in the allocated time, it would definitely happen in phases. You’re right, Petrol and diesel fueled cars won’t just disappear overnight. And people won’t just switch to electric vehicles just because.
Affordability in my opinion is also a problem that would hinder the phasing out of petrol and diesel fueled vehicles. Not everyone would be able to afford to purchase, run and maintain the electric run vehicles. So I think In the long run, they would have to make it more affordable so people could actually switch.

In Ukraine, the Verkhovna Rada also today, on February 24, adopted a law banning the use of buses with diesel and gasoline internal combustion engines on public transport routes from 2036.
From January 1, 2036, only electric buses, buses with internal combustion engines running on gas, as well as buses with a hydrogen fuel cell will be allowed on bus routes in cities of district and regional significance.
Ukraine is gradually bringing its legislation under the European one, as it wants to join the EU in the coming years. Apparently, this law also belongs to this category. But until then, the transition to cars will be gradual. So, from January 1, 2028, at least 50% of buses must be electric, methane or hydrogen. Diesel and gasoline engines will gradually become a thing of the past.

I think it would be more like majority changes and not the full on thing. By 2035, we will still have some diesel cars going around that's for sure, no doubt about that, and there will be some that is still sold, that is for sure.

However, I do not know how much EV is sold compared to petrol, but lets say it is 5% today, it could be 50% by then, or more, which means both exists, but electric cars would be sold a lot more than it is sold today, that would be the difference and I believe that it is definitely something I would be in favor of as well. EV is better for the world, it is definitely a good way to need less oil to be mined from the world.

Not really that shocking that companies would really be considering out on jumping with the current trend rather than making themselves getting behind the line.We might see that the demand isnt really that much high due to being expensive but the numbers arent falling backwards but rather seeing some gains which means that the market is really starting up to cope up which means
that they dont really like to miss out on getting that market share. Ev's and hybrids might really be existing on future years to come but i dont really believe that petrol powered would
really cease to exist or would really be gone.

In my opinion, now the process of transition to electric vehicles will slow down.

This is due to the general economic situation in the world. In recent years, the amount of money in the world has increased several times. This is due to an attempt to overcome the effects of the 2008 global financial crisis and the Covid-19 coronavirus pandemic.

Therefore, it is impossible to issue new money for investments in alternative energy and the development of electric vehicles. At the same time, prices for traditional energy carriers have increased. There were also additional investment projects related to the need to develop a fleet of tankers for the transportation of liquefied gas and the construction of gas storage facilities.

As a result, there is no scope for increased investment in electric vehicle production. Yes, this direction will develop, but perhaps not as fast as previously planned.

I cited carsharing simply as an example of operation in the city. This is for the urban cycle - travel from point to point. In the tourist area, for a holiday, I wrote "rent" a car, which is the most cost-effective for a 10-12 day vacation.
But I wanted to convey a slightly different essence - if you understand consumption well, then for many who have a car in PERSONAL possession, they really don’t need it 24x7 and all year round :) I agree - you live outside the city, 50-100 km of road, your car looks more convenient. But if you ride in the home-office-home cycle, or you need to travel somewhere for 10 days - rent it! It’s just that we still have “medieval manners” - “the more expensive I own, the more pretentious I look and everyone envy me!” :)

The economy isn't in a great state indeed, but technology progresses and new electric cars keep popping up. I'm pretty convinced that my next car will be electric, since, whether we like it or not, it's currently the best alternative for cars with combustion engines. We have over 10 years before 2035, and chances are that electric cars will be completely different from what they currently are. On top of that, manufacturers from China such as BYD or NIO will eventually expand into other markets, making the acquisition of an electric car more affordable.

The demand for electric cars will definitely grow, but at the moment when there will be more manufacturers and prices will become more affordable, now it is an expensive pleasure.I would like to have an electric car, but not as the main car.This industry is developing quite rapidly, and many countries are encouraging the purchase of more environmentally friendly cars.There remains only one main question, and who will recycle such an amount of used batteries by 2035.

If I understand correctly the transition to electric cars also depends on our ability to save energy in the form of batteries. Electric vehicles are fine, but storing energy is still a problem that needs to be resolved. I don't know whether we are close or not to actually get it done.

We probably need to hope for Elon Musk to come up with something and he is already working hard on battery technology. However, it will take time until they are as efficient as we actually need them in order to be environmentally friendly.

It is foolish to deny your remark!
But there is another point - if 20 years ago the very idea of ​​mass electric transport looked unrealistic, then after the loud start of the Tesla brand, the automotive industry of the whole world chose a new vector, where huge funds have already been invested, and this has become a trend that is now impossible to stop .
Therefore, yes, there will definitely be a slowdown due to the events of 2019-2022, but there will no longer be a stop to progress in the automotive world.
I will say this, even in my Ukraine, where the country is subjected to external terrorist aggression, where the economy has suffered greatly, the demand for hybrids and electric vehicles is growing! And constantly! Of course, the first consumers were companies providing taxi services. The second part is private buyers (ordinary citizens) for personal needs.

Yeah, major car manufacturers has been over the years, going with the flow and testing the waters with electric run cars and have now added electric run cars to their machine lines.
Countries that solely depend on oil for their energy needs would find it much harder to switch to electric cars. And I doubt such countries would just stop or reduce production of gasoline run vehicles. Personally, I think it’s wishful thinking if we think we’re going to totally phase out gasoline run vehicles by 2035.

It is not only about natural demand, but laws are being passed that you can't even buy the old cars anymore at some point. In addition they will subsidize the purchase of electric vehicles and at some point new dynamics will be enfolded in the market due to the growing infrastructure. That is one of the biggest problems still that you can't as easily charge your car as you can obviously do with standard petrol. But when charging times are improved and battery capacity will keep improving, we will definitely get to the point where nobody would be interested in old car models anyway. But I think battery production has to be scaled up by a lot as well.

What about hydrogen cars ? Where are all those inventors, that have created vehicles that runs on water? Nearly 3/4 of Earth is covered with water. Plenty of "fuel" for everyone. Toyota Miria I think is the only car that run on "water". Why this idea did not go to masses? I think it will be easier and quicker to fill car with "water", than charge electro car. However, even though hydrogen cars sounds like free or cheap fuel, I think people would still prefer diesel or petrol because of the exhaust sound. The roar is what helps to sell cars.

While the notion of employing water as a fuel source for automobiles has been circulating for some time, the intricacies of the process reveal that it is a convoluted solution for our energy requirements. The fundamental predicament with water as fuel is that the extraction of hydrogen necessitates a considerable amount of energy, which must then be employed to propel the car. Scaling up this process is challenging and expensive, leading car manufacturers to view it with less enthusiasm.

Moreover, you pointed out that the sound of an engine is a decisive aspect in the decision-making process for car purchases. However, as society leans towards being more environmentally aware, I believe that individuals will begin prioritizing sustainability over the engine's thunderous roar. With further research and development, I am optimistic that hydrogen-powered cars will emerge as a feasible alternative to conventional vehicles, providing a greener and more effective mode of transportation.

Electric vehicles are a nightmare. They can shut off your battery remotely. The grid could go down for various reasons and you are then stuck. Proper battery recycling is a pipe dream and currently an environmental hazard. The extra weight of the batteries wear out tires faster. People steal copper from the charge cables from public chargers. The time to charge on long trips adds unnecessary inconvenience. Batteries have a limited life span even if you don't drive the vehicle those batteries are degrading while the vehicle is just sitting there.

A few reasons why diesel is better. Older vehicles can run on various fuels, biodiesel, black diesel, vegetable oil etc. Older vehicles can be EMP resistant. Modifying combustion engines means you can make more power, while modifying electric vehicles usually just ends up with weight reduction/no back seats... Diesel powered vehicles had a major breakthrough. Just needs people that are willing to try it out? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5403404.0 Saves me about half on my fuel bill. Less smoke out the exhaust. Naturally aspirated diesel engines seem to get the most gains in economy.

The Taurozzi Pendulum Engine could be a next generation diesel engine, along with the Liquid Piston engine. Also new diesel/high compression engines coming from other manufactures that have spark plugs can run on a variety of fuels including clean burning hydrogen. 

In my opinion, the sound of an internal combustion engine can be easily reproduced artificially (in digital). 

This will create a complete illusion that you are the owner of a retro car with an internal combustion engine.  The hydrogen car actually uses an electric motor in its work.  The battery of a hydrogen car is recharged due to a chemical reaction involving hydrogen.  For the functioning of a hydrogen car, it is necessary to create a network of hydrogen stations. 

However, hydrogen is highly explosive! 

Therefore, it is necessary to spend a lot of effort on compliance with safety requirements and further improvement of this technology. 

If these problems can be solved, then hydrogen cars will appear in large numbers on the streets of our cities.

Gas and petrol are also explosive and flammable, but that did not stop people from using such engines and mods. And I see no problem of creating a network of stations, as we have a huge network of electric sockets. Check out a story of Stanley Meyer (https://environment.umn.edu/education/susteducation/stanley-meyer-an-infamous-invention-and-death/). He has create a car that runs on water, soon after he has mysteriously died.

Indeed exhaust sound can be faked. Some manufacturers even add small dynamics in car to reproduce aggressive exhaust sound. For example BMW had those with V6 engines in sports cars, that fakes sounds of V8 or V10 engines. 

Agree !
  Any new innovation or technology has a "transitional period". The period of adaptation and laws, and mentality and the market. In exactly the same way, everything happened when they switched from horses and coal to ICE and transport. Yes - the horses remained, and coal, too, but cars, ships and planes - all on internal combustion engines and no horses are harnessed. The same will happen with the transition from internal combustion engines to electric motors - there will be new types of energy storage devices, there will be new infrastructure, and the total majority will switch to electric vehicles. By the way - I rode an electric car for a couple of weeks. I liked it very much. Well, there were also pluses - from the point of view of maintenance - no oil change, no rails and rods, all this mechanical piling up in electric cars is simply not there!

Of course, over time, the world will gradually switch to cars with electric motors, as well as to other traction, which will be relatively safe for the environment. If the goal is to do it before 2035, then I think that it will be so. After all, before this period, intermediate ones have been established with a certain transition to electric cars in percentage terms. The main thing is that the need for this is long overdue and the decision has been made. The rest is a matter of technique and technology, and technology in any case will improve and become cheaper.

Innovation and huge changes is something inevitable on which we would really be moving into that electric cars era but we cant really just ignore the fact that petrol powered engines wouldnt really be that be eradicated

so easily because whether we do like it or not, there are really main things which petrol engines could do that electric cars wouldnt be able to do so and this is why it would really be still that relevant if
they would still exist.

2035 is still long way shot but we arent that blind on how EV's are now starting to emerge into this market which it might be that expensive but people would
really be able to adjust into it.

Scientific and technological progress is like an evolutionary process. 

Usually, engineers propose several alternative technologies for implementation. 

However, only one of the proposed options is implemented.  It's like at the Olympics - there is only one champion, some participants receive silver and bronze medals, but most participants receive the status of losers and do not receive any awards.  At the same time, the choice of the winner in the race of scientific and technological progress is largely a random process.  Perhaps a supporter of this particular technology turned out to have a supporter with big capital, or perhaps a supporter with charisma and a gift for convincing other people. 

As a result, one technical solution will be implemented in practice, and another technical solution will be consigned to oblivion.

So we don't know yet if a classic car will be an electric car or a hydrogen car in 2035.  So far, electric vehicle technology is considered more promising.

Not really a dream, goto Cuba and they dont really have new cars just recycled ones.  So its already been a reality for them for some time, its possible to do and people will just keep on using what they have already got.  Apparently it also occurs in the USA trucking stock due to new machines requiring really hard emission measures which stop the truck working as well so people recycle old trucks endlessly if they can.

USA has enough natural gas reserves to never require any oil use again, not for power, equipment, cars, heating or energy.   All of it can be replaced by something far cleaner burning unfortunately the green lobby dont like nat gas either and perhaps just consider it a derivative.   Its all possible just cost and efficiency of doing so, the calorific value of coal exceeds oil for example so each resource has its advantages.

According to today's news that I have read, it seems that the EU will not adopt this law after all, because Germany and Italy are putting a lot of pressure to prevent that from happening. Of course, these are two countries that have a significant share in the production of cars, and such a law would have a very harmful effect on their economies. This does not mean that the share of electric cars on the roads will not increase, but I do not believe that such a ban will come before 2050.

Not that electric cars wouldn't be widely available, but it seems unlikely that the people seated around the table at the United Nations will let this to happen; Electric automobiles are almost certainly not going to replace gasoline vehicles. If this occurs, there will be a shortage of gasoline, the demand will be squeezed, and many economies that depend on the sale of fuel, such as Russia, African nations, and Arab countries, would collapse. Also the ability to charge these electric automobiles, is a problem in certain nations without access to reliable energy, is another factor that makes me wonder whether this will be viable just in developed nations like those in the west and not in Africa.

We haven't seen many hydrogen cars available, though, have we? I don't believe that they will be widely adopted while there are only a few companies that support hydrogen vehicles. Even Toyota is starting to pivot and switch to electric cars. There are quite a few articles out there, one of which admits that the new Tesla Y is a work of art. Moreover, not long ago, I remember reading that they're about to launch a new electric car range. Thus, I find it quite unlikely that we'll ever see a full range of hydrogen vehicles available to the public.

2030 is very early to make a ban on petrol and diesel cars. This will affect the countries that depends on car production for their economy as well as the countries that depend completely on the oil market for their economy. Every car company have begun to have their electric vehicle production unit as well as R&D, and for the reason the regular car production isn't decreased. So, we can experience the increasing usage of ev, but the same won't affect the petrol and diesel car usage for atleast 2 generation.

I heard that hydrogen cars are actually quite ineffective, but I guess it's all depends on the R&D of such products, main reason why electric car is the trend nowadays have something related with the fact that elon make it trendy with its tesla and the technology embedded inside the electric car giving the illusions that it's the future but indeed it could might be the future.
the thing is, I think we need further research in increasing the effectiveness of battery technology, honestly right now I think charging your car for few hours just doesn't cut it, meawhile with fossil fuel you only fill up your fuel within minutes which is quite significant difference honestly.

They started off claiming that the ban on the production of cars with internal combustion engines would take place in 2030; now they've moved it to 2035, and chances are, it will be postponed again. However, even in 7 years from now, there will be a wider variety of electric vehicles, and more people will opt for them since they will be cheaper by then. Moreover, most European countries still don't have the facilities to accommodate a higher demand for electric cars. The transition will take time, and they will become more popular as time passes. Even I'm convinced that my next car will be electric in a few years, but a complete ban on ICE cars isn't feasible anytime soon.

What shall I say?
There are tribes that were isolated from civilization, solely due to some peculiarities. For example, a remote location. A place remote from the traffic of civilization - ships, aircraft. Well, or simply isolated and refusing to contact the modern world, as a result of faith, views, something else ...
And Cuba is a country that has decided from a rather noticeable country in the Caribbean region (and the American continent), to run back to the Stone Age!
To understand what I mean - read what positions Cuba occupied in the world before the "Cuban revolution"! Although the word "revolution" should be replaced with "devolution" in order to accurately convey what happened.
Immediately answer the question that arises: YES! I personally was in Cuba, I personally traveled around the country. I saw a tourist zone for "tourists" and real Cuba with food cards and total poverty and degradation .. What they were very proud of :)
In a word, an example about electric cars and Cuba is a 100% exception in the modern world than some kind of statistics :)

The reduction of gasoline and diesel vehicles, as well as the increase in the number of electric vehicles, will occur gradually and in stages. The main thing is that the countries of Europe have already adopted the relevant law and it will be implemented. This will be facilitated by further climate change on our planet. The unbearable summer heat will be a good argument to switch to the use of electric vehicles and pollute the environment less.

I am more scared of melting ice in the antarctic than the summer heat compared to climate change as it makes a continent get under water. Though other also country starting to be stricter now about those gasoline/diesel cars that are right now in our country I've seen a lot of e-bikes and e-trike along the roads for better help fighting pollution. Though right now it is still expensive, I hope in the future it is way more affordable we can afford to buy and own one.

According to this source: https://europe.autonews.com/environmentemissions/europes-2035-combustion-engine-ban-opposed-germany-italy Germany and also Italy are going to block this law. Hungary and Poland are not particularly happy as well. Honestly, I can understand Germans very well as their country is quite big and car culture is deep in their blood. EV vehicles are not very suitable for long distance driving because of limited range.

provided that a more commercialized form of dealership with electric cars become available a few years before 2035, I can diesel vehicles being phased out in developed and first-world countries, as they are almost always the ones who are often taking the initiative in paradigm shifts. Third-world countries could follow suit a few years after globalization of electric cars were implemented, but I don't see every car in the world being phased out of the roads at least until 2050-2060. Oil Tycoons will do their hardest to reinstate oil as the main source of fuel of this planet through multiple campaigns and propaganda so the fight for a safer environment will be long and arduous, thus in an ideal setting, for me it will take at least up until 2050 for all cars in the road within western territories to comprise mainly of electric vehicles.

It doesn't really matter how long it will take humanity to transition from gasoline and diesel cars to electric cars - until 2035, 2050 or 2060. The main thing is that the decision has already been made, its implementation will be phased and inevitable. More developed countries with high living standards will lead the way, others will follow. It is unlikely that oil and gas corporations will strongly resist this time. Humanity has faced a choice: either switch to other sources of energy and do less harm to the environment, or climate change will become so global that we will simply cease to exist. Additional decisions on this issue will be made and monitored at the level of the G20 countries and the UN.

In my point of view 2035 is not much far away from now, most probably this would be implement in rich countries it will be easier  for them, but what about poor countries? are they capable of having charging station in each and every coroner? in city it is not much big deal but what about remote areas? that's why in my opinion view mechanism of cycle must be invented which suits for cars or we can make the machines from which ethanol and fuels like petroleum can generate electricity and we can use both electric as well as ethanol based vehicles, which can help the countries which are economically less constant and produce fuels (rude oil) as well as farmers, who produce sugarcane for ethanol

I think that the process of humanity's transition to electric cars may be even easier than some people think. Along the way, we will switch to the use of alternative energy sources and, above all, solar panels, which are becoming cheaper and more powerful, with an increase in efficiency. It is possible that then there will be no big problems with recharging electric cars. Therefore, I am quite optimistic about the desire of European countries to get rid of internal combustion engines. This should have been done much earlier.

I think it is true that the costs are lower than running a car with an internal combustion engine and on the question of whether this goal will be achieved, it is difficult to predict with certainty. The current condition is that many car manufacturers have committed to switching to electric vehicles in the coming years. From an efficiency and cost perspective, it is likely that electric vehicles will continue to become more efficient and affordable over time.

Well, if you look at the biggest reason because As battery technology improves, electric vehicles will be able to travel farther on a single charge, and the cost of producing batteries is expected to continue to decrease. In addition, as more automakers produce electric vehicles, economies of scale will likely lead to lower prices. for consumers.

I must object like an enigmatic plot twist. Conceiving a mechanism for automotive cycles isn't the solution we seek. Instead, the globe demands charging stations, transcending wealthy nation boundaries.

Easier for affluent countries? Indeed. But forsaking impoverished lands is unconscionable. United, we must unearth an answer that elevates all, irrespective of fiscal prowess.

Concurrently, investing in alternatives like ethanol and petroleum-derived fuels is commendable. However, electric vehicles cast an undeniable shadow on the horizon. Embrace the metamorphosis, and forge a sustainable legacy for humanity.

People are always selfish and talk a lot and inconsistently, even if they are on the verge of an abyss. Our climate is changing very dramatically due to the predatory attitude of man to nature. And we are still discussing whether it is worth correcting the situation or not, because not everyone is ready to change their habits. Humanity will never be ready for this. Here you need to act tough, otherwise the consequences can be catastrophic. In any case, gasoline engines must be abandoned, this problem has long been overripe.

When we talk about the abandoning of gasoline engines we should also discuss about the pollution caused while manufacturing batteries that are to be fitted with the electric cars and bikes. The pollution caused during the time of pollution is very high against what is being released by petrol and diesel engines. Most of the time it is the business that drives away the old things and introduce new products into the market. For the marketing there is need of something that needs to be pointed out and in such a way is the emission discussion with the EVs.

Zero would be a dream, its not happening.  Put it this way, peak coal was over a century ago and yet here we are still using it.   To think we wont be heavily using oil 20 or 30 years from now is unrealistic.   But also its possible to vastly reduce the usage and so the fumes emission in main cities, that would make sense to reduce drastically as we have been moving towards for decades.

Just wondering why there are some inventors already develop solar energy engine for cars yet they are not supported by big company? Is just because of benefit they gain from big oil companies? Also, there are also study that water can also used to makes car move, why not try to invest from it and it will make a lot of individual gain from rather than small number of big companies.

Actually electric cars are designed for use that are environmentally friendly or reduce pollution to the environment compared to oil and diesel fuel cars will have an impact on air pollution when the car is operating, the use of batteries that accommodate electrical energy is still under development so it requires several years of testing to use clean energy sources to environment. Electric cars are now operational, so we need detailed data to review the level of pollution they produce, but I'm sure that maybe in 2050 more people will use electric cars because the price of electric cars is relatively cheap and many people are already complaining that the price of fuel oil and diesel is getting higher.

However, sometimes oil and diesel fuel are increasingly scarce because they have been stockpiled by irresponsible individuals in the interest of obtaining higher profits when world oil prices increase.

The correct answer is this:
- In highly developed countries, there is a high probability that there will be a dramatic reduction in the production and sales of PERSONAL vehicles powered by internal combustion engines. There are all the conditions for this - an acceptable income of the majority of the population to replace/buy hybrid/electric cars, a developed infrastructure for electric cars.
- In other countries, there will be a trend, but there will not be a quick transition. The reasons are exactly the opposite - insufficient income level of citizens, lagging behind the infrastructure of generation and delivery of electricity for cars of mass use.

This is a discussion that has been going on for quite a long time and is still going on, but humans will find it difficult to change if they are comfortable or happy with what they are getting now and continue to drain it until there is nothing left in the future.

That might only happen in a few developed countries and in some developing countries. And most countries probably won't finish building infrastructure for electric cars and the like that don't require petrol or diesel fuel.

But in Indonesia, the construction of infrastructure for electric cars is currently being carried out quickly. the target this year there should be around 3,000 units of Public Electric Vehicle Charging Stations (SPKLU)¹. But still, this may not mean that in 2035 Indonesia will fully use electric vehicles for its citizens. because the territory of Indonesia is quite wide.

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It will take a longer period of time to truly convince users that electric vehicles are more efficient than those with internal combustion engines. We are still in the kick-start phase, so it will require another 5 to 10 years to determine whether electric cars are more efficient than current automobiles.

Furthermore, the maintenance costs are currently high due to the limited availability of spare parts in this early adoption stage. Therefore, any form of damage is inevitably much costlier compared to traditional fuel-powered vehicles.

Society always tends to opt for transportation modes that are more cost-effective, both in terms of maintenance and daily consumption. They tend to disregard the environment's excessive exposure to CO2, as its impacts are not immediately felt.

Right now, what I'm noticing here in our country is that vehicles such as single motors that are Chinacharge-only E-bikes are called only the battery, no fuel is needed, and even if you don't have a license, they are gradually becoming known and promoted you can also use it, there are now the new ones that come out almost as fast as a gasoline motor but only charge it before charging for 8-12hrs.

If this continues to happen, then if I look at it, it will look better to use than the ordinary motor that I will spend fuel on when it is no longer. Then it is eco-friendly compared to gasoline which is not.

One of the reasons why solar cars are not supported by big companies is because they are unreliable at night and because panels are easy to break. Just imagine if someone throws a stone on it and one panel is damaged, and you can't get the full capacity of charging. Also, with the water, there is a lot of controversy because we know oil companies are big players, and if that water fuel car is implemented, then for sure a lot of those companies would be affected, even the countries, but again, for sure you've heard about what happened to those inventors on it.

There is more to why this adaptation of electronic cars will be difficult in less developed countries, it's not that some individuals don't have the money to purchase this vehicles to follow the trend but where to use it becomes a challenge due to bad roads. Most of these hybrid cars can only be use where there is good roads and source of electricity and the less developed countries are always having this problem of having 24/7 power supply, how will they use these cars, they don't have good infrastructure to begin with, I can't imagine cases of emergency and no source of power in the car, it will be a terrible thing to observed.

The dream of no petrol cars might be effective and soar in developed countries but I don't think so for third world countries that are struggling to feed and cure poverty rate, because it has been proven that Electric cars are even more costly than petrol cars. Many people will settle for the lessers price even in developed countries where the trend will be available.

What about electric SUVs ? There is a good number (https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars-vans/352090/top-10-best-electric-suvs) of such cars available on the market, which makes bad roads aint biggest problem of electric car adoption. Price isnt the bigger problem as well. Yes electric cars are more expensive than cars that runs on regular petrol, but we are now in electric cars trend. 5-10 years and we wont be surprised to see electric car in a tiny and forgotten village.

The main problems are short number of charging stations (that depends from the city and more stations can be installed with time) and charging time. Until developers dont figure out how to fully charge electric car with less than 5 min and make them run for +700km on a single tank, there wont be mass adoption. Current electric cars are for use in-city only. As soon as you want to travel or drive out of the city, we go back 30-50 years. To times when we have to plan our route, we are bond to using map. Yet we cant hop in and drive in any direction we want and as long as we want.

Maybe only certain countries can replace the dominance of petrol/diesel fuel cars with electric cars that are environmentally friendly, such as Germany, which has excess electricity supply, maybe the realization can be quicker. To realize electric cars dominate in a country or kill petrol/diesel fuel cars, it needs a bigger supply of electricity because to charge an electric car battery reportedly it takes 6000 VA for one car.
The popularity of electric cars has skyrocketed thanks to technological breakthroughs by Tesla, General Motors (GM) and Nissan, which have resulted in low-cost production of batteries for vehicles. The role of electric cars is considered very important for the purpose of minimizing exhaust emissions, greenhouse emissions and air pollution. Several major countries are starting to draw up plans to end sales of vehicles that use petrol/diesel fuel.

Yes, I totally agree !
In addition to financial and technological problems, there are infrastructural and operational problems. But there is a solution here too, in favor of China :)
China produces a lot of budget electric cars, with very simple characteristics, and not very demanding to the "environment". I'll immediately assume that many "non-budget" carmakers will also be entering this market - the market of budget electric cars, and it is even possible mass construction of plants for the production of basic units and plants for large-scale assembly of such products. This is also profitable - the demand is high, the margin is not large - but the sales volumes can be very high. But...it takes time

Currently electric cars have become a serious threat to diesel and gasoline cars, and I believe that by 2035 everything will become a reality that there are no more diesel or gasoline cars, all countries will use electric cars, let alone the government has issued a law, of course this is a serious problem they want to realize, but the problem will be the average electric car price is very expensive so people who are economy class will be more difficult to own a car, So this problem must also be adjusted.

Honestly it feels totally unrealistic to expect such a large shift in such a short period of time. There is a gradual shift over and the balance is definitely tipping towards electric cars, at least in the most developed countries around the world, but they are currently still super expensive and out of reach of most people. The second hand market in electric vehicles is still in it's infancy and the leaps in battery technology is excellent but varied. There is a whole swath of different charging technology that needs to become more standardized and masses of infrastructure needs a rethink to accommodate it. In many countries the actual ability to charge such a volume of electric cars seem so incomprehensible and difficult right now.

For now, I believe this is a pipe dream, the question that comes to mind is that what are these people pushing this agenda after, we did not ban horses when the gasoline car was invented, why can't they let the market forces dictate this. if they think the electric cars are better and sound, the market will align with this thought with time. we have had so many advancements in technology over the years and people were not forced into making a choice, the better ones always win.

It is possible since almost all of the things now are electronics and most of the mechants now accepts crypto , the only thing that didn't accept crypto so much is the govt but all in all we can say that it is reality that when 2035 arrives there will be less car fueled by gas or anything and the price arises each day but again it will not come easily, some people cannot accepts innovation properly.

this goal is achievable in most european small countries, which have been onto this goal for years already. so more than a decade of preparation i believe is enough for them to achieve such target. however, if the country is quite big and there are so many stakeholders stopping such mission, it won't happen even after so many decades of preparation.

let's take for example of these 7 countries who are serious to say goodbye to fossil-fuel powered cars with corresponding population
https://futurism.com/these-7-countries-want-to-say-goodbye-to-fossil-fuel-based-cars
germany - 83.31M
norway - 5.54M
india - 1.42B
france - 68.04M
the UK. -68.95M
netherlands - 17.86M
china - 1.455B

which one do you think has high probability of achieving such target? definitely, the first country which will achieve such feat is norway. coming second is netherlands. just my guess here.

The market has always found its way. No matter how much interference, innovation always comes if people who want innovation insist on what they want. But, as you said, the arrival of an innovation does not mean that the old one is not used. We don't have to make a choice.

What we need will come to us in time. As I said, time will tell the answers to these questions. The date given in the title may not be correct because the automobile market is a huge market that covers the whole world.

Quite a few cannot buy the brand new petrol car either, it would be a waste to them as even a ten year old car is reliable enough to work and do the job just fine.  If we compare the electric car market secondhand also, its similar in that prices can be affordable.  Some think electric car cannot last ten years but in fact they do with some capacity reduction, most people driving through a town will be fine for this type of cheap usage second hand.  The larger challenge is going to be long haul and trucks is something Im not so sure about.   
  Overall technology will keep improving and battery technology, its quite feasible for improvements to filter through the market to normal average budget people.

There is every tendency it could be achieved because I believe that they are more technological enclind, like from the part of my country where CO2 is that common we may find it very difficult for ruling out a diesel and fuel engine cars. The electric engine are more environmental and economical friendly which is far more better and easier to use than C02. As per the price, as time keeps going the more lesser it becomes because usually when a newly products is being flooded in the market there would be a higher demand which could possibly inflate the cost price since is on a higher demand but with time it becomes available as usual vehicle after fuel/diesel might have gotten rid off.

Technological advancement isn't the hindrance, but rather the companies that are built around petrol. These guys will try their hardest to prevent electric car domination, and it will be the hardest battle that electric car manufacturer will encounter. People are actually raring to buy electric cars, and are actually opting for the said cleaner alternative for transportation. But what can they do if the governments themselves are not cooperating with this advancement?

I own both electric and petrol car, not the high-end/flagship one like Tesla, BMW, or Benz tho, just mid-level car Daihatsu and Hyundai. I can vouch that monthly maintenance for electric car is less demanding and less pricy, my take is that electric car has significantly less liquid involve in their engine. I haven't need to replace the Battery so I don't know the real cost. The cost of petrol vs electric power is also significantly less, but it also because the cost of electricity today is relatively cheaper, so if the electric car become more mainstream and the electricity cost is getting higher, there might be not much of a different.

The EU ambition to remove combustion car completely in 2035 is not impossible, the politic is getting easier every-year, since more government put more concern in environment. What could be the obstacle is the consumer, and definitely petrol and diesel company. If they can jump to the electric power bandwagon and get some money from there, they will definitely try make petrol and diesel at least coexist with the electric car. And they will try their best to make consumer stay with their current more traditional car, even if it needed fearmongering.

Several countries have entered the transition phase from diesel and gasoline cars to electric cars, now that there are many electric cars available on the market, countries are starting to aggressively encourage the use of electric cars that are more environmentally friendly. The year 2035 will probably create a new history in the automotive field where diesel and gasoline cars will disappear from circulation, electric cars are more profitable than ordinary cars, making several countries want to adopt electric cars en masse.

In terms of price, of course, electric cars are priced more expensive when compared to ordinary cars, the battery component is one of the contributing factors. There is no need to worry about the price issue, once it has been adopted en masse there will be car manufacturers producing electric cars at lower prices so that middle and lower economic class people can own cars at affordable prices.

         The time has not yet come when mass demand will appear. When this moment comes, they will immediately begin to offer supported cars. This potential option should be taken into account for those who want to start a business in this direction. This is so, for some reference. It is better to start doing something now, when there is still very little competition, but it will certainly be.
        Yes, there are a lot of problems with electric cars, but they are all solvable and humanity will find their solution over the years.

Have you ever tried petrol cars that has compressed or liquefied natural gas modification? They use tiny amount of petrol to start the car, but later switch to natural gas. Natural gas cost twice less than petrol or diesel. Natural gas is cleaner than petrol or diesel. It takes almost same amount of time to fill tank as with petrol or diesel car. You can ride same distance with natural gas as with electric battery. Natural gas modification cost around 1000 EUR, you do need to do engine maintenance every 10-15km. With electric cars you only save on oil change, oil and oil filter. That is like 100-200 EUR twice a year, but the cost of electric battery change plus battery unit will kill all the saving.

No, I have never tried, and to be honest this is the first time I have ever heard of this such modification. Are you sure that it needs maintenance for every 10-15km, because that's like half of my one-way commute daily and that's a huge drawback for most people I think.

My car battery replacement cost is estimated to be about $1000 to $1500, and it is guaranteed for 8 years, in those 8 Years span, I only need two times maintenance for the electric cars, and from what I heard it will cost $200-$250 each. For the fuel car, you are right two times maintenance of my petrol car in total is $200 ($100 each) for a year, for 8 Years it's already $1600 I could still save $100, combined with the less money I spent for fuel, and lower tax for electric vehicle, I could save a significant amount of money.

All that estimation is assuming that both cars running well and doesn't need an extra maintenance.

I feel like this is pretty viable/possible for northern, western and central European countries. These countries have the most wealth and strict laws that communities care. But I think its dream for southern and eastern european countries. Southern countries have relaxed law makers in general and people are more care-free. They would keep using their favourite cars. In eastern european countries wealth is dramatically lower so many people won't be able to afford electric cars still. Also electric cars still have range issues that makes people not consider them.

Absolutely agree with you there! If the world were in balance, everyone would drive electric vehicles. Unfortunately, Europe is still a mishmash of divergent elements, much like an incomplete patchwork quilt. Europe's North, West, or Center? In a word, yes! Electric automobiles may soon replace their gas-guzzling counterparts because to the wealthy, their love of laws, and their commitment to the environment. It's like a scene from a science fiction film coming to life right before your eyes.

But how about we head south and east instead? There is some truth to what you are saying. When it comes to accepting such a transformation, the relaxed mentality and "laissez-faire" politics of Southern Europe definitely raise eyebrows. The wealth gap is also a serious issue in Eastern Europe. For some, the price of an electric car may be as much as a prince's ransom. Regarding range anxiety, I understand. The worry is reasonable! It's the equivalent of coming up to a buffet only to learn that they've already ran out of food. Disappointing, to put it mildly!

You gave a good example and a good suggestion. But there is quite a logical justification there - Both Norway (I love Norway's fjords!) and the Netherlands are countries where historically the past few years, or rather decades, have been active in the search for and implementation of alternative energy sources, as well as the rejection of hydrocarbons. And it makes sense that they are leaders in this direction, and will be the first to start mass migration. Plus - what I'm talking about - the standard of living and income of the citizens of these countries is very good, and they can afford it ! And of course - infrastructure, roads,...

Besides that it's a problem the development of infrastructure for charging electric cars in all regions in each country also requires a lot of time which may not be completed in just 10-20 years for developing countries. But for developed countries, development may still be accelerated, especially if it is a European country that has a lot of wealth, the majority of which are developed countries. But in Asia I haven't seen development on such a rapid scale. everything is running slowly limited state budget.

Sorry, it is 10-15k km. My bad. Cars that run on natural gas were popular in Europe for some time. The car consumes slightly more gas than regular petrol, but the price of the gas was 4 times lower than petrol. Often such modifications were installed on a car with high volume engines, like 3-5l. The trick was that you still got that V8 or V10 sound, but spend on fuel like you have 1.0l Yaris.

Another reason why I see that switch to only electric cars is gonna be far in future is the range electric cars can cover. How many km can you cover with your electric car with one battery charge? With my diesel sedan I can make around 1000km with 60l of diesel and spend 5min to refill to make another 1000km. Travelling with electric cars seems complicated today.

If you look at the current developments, the manufacture of electric cars is being developed by several large companies such as Mercedes Benz, Toyota and Tesla which are owned by Elon Musk. Even the Tesla car created by Elon Musk can be said to have succeeded in bringing the name electric car to the world. Because the Tesla is the best-selling electric car on the market and is in demand by electric car enthusiasts. So actually there are quite a lot of electric car enthusiasts nowadays. Especially if in 2035, it is likely that 80% of people in the world will switch from petrol/diesel fueled cars to electric powered cars. So, in my opinion, all of these plans will most likely come true, because even now in several countries there are already many citizens who use electric-powered cars. Such as China, Norway, Iceland and Sweden.

Then in my opinion in the future electric cars will indeed be a vehicle that is most suitable for use. Because electric cars are more environmentally friendly and do not destroy nature in this world. Unlike gasoline-fueled cars, it's clear that all of that is quite damaging to nature. And gasoline fuel is not likely to always be there, due to the limited supply on this earth. So switching to an electric car is indeed the right thing. But all of that really requires careful preparation throughout the world, because like battery charging stations, there must be existing and evenly distributed in various countries. But I'm sure all those plans will most likely come true.

With the current technology right now, 1000km is not yet achievable, but if it is, then the problem is really charging time. Like you've said, it takes only 5 minutes to refill, whereas in electricity, it needs to be charged over night or a couple of hours, and you still need to pay it. When talking about saving time, the gasoline or diesel car will win, but if you want to save money (except maintenance, only the ratio of charger and fuel prices), then the electric car wins. This is the only part that the electric car won, as most people right now prefer the traditional one, but again, in the future, we don't know that electric cars are far better than today's car.

It is a possibility that petrol/diesel cars would have almost, if not totally been upgraded for electric cars.
The pecks of the petrol/diesel engine will constantly be in contest till electric powered cars can be of greater efficiency and of sustained economic value.

I saw a documentary on YouTube of how an electric car owner carries around a small petrol generator to power his Tesla once the battery was low and no charging spot close by. This is one challenge that will see the demand for electricity consumption triple and the need for modular standard plants and distribution points worldwide.

Unless countries come together to adopt the electric cars upgrade, cars running on diesel/petrol might even still be available till a century from now.

I really don't have a problem with the range, mine can reach up to 450km for a full battery, and that's more than enough for my daily commute. I have done a 500km+ road trip and I don't find any discomfort since there is a fast charging facility on each rest area along the toll road. But I do agree that the charging time is a problem, with home charging you need more than 6h to charge the battery from 10% to 80% it's not a problem if you always remember to charge the car. I once forgot to charge it and need to travel extra 18km for a fast charging that I don't actually need, just to charge the car, I waste more than 1h, 30mins to reach the fast charging and another 40 to charge. There is only one fast charging in the big city that covers like a whole region, or else you need to get in the toll road rest area, and paid extra to enter the toll road. It's annoying.

Initially the pros and cons always adorned when a new breakthrough was launched, assessments in terms of ease of refueling/charging the battery, maintenance costs and purchase price were always a comparison between the two. Regardless of the pros and cons that occur in the midst of society, no one can resist technological developments. Just imagine if oil supplies are running low and the price is getting higher, of course this will be a new problem that makes oil-fuel car owners have to spend more money than usual when refueling.

Electric cars are the latest breakthrough in the automotive world, to cover a wider market, of course, car manufacturers will design cars with all the conveniences and advantages to attract consumers. Electric cars are more environmentally friendly than oil-fueled cars because they don't produce carbon emission residue in the form of Co2, besides that electric cars are also economical in terms of maintenance because they don't need to change oil, spark plugs, coils and replace radiator water. In terms of convenience (pollution free), no need to pay when charging and economical in maintenance, it is very likely that electric cars will dominate the road in the future.

Yes, the popularity of electric automobiles continues to grow, and manufacturers like Tesla have become household names. But isn't it a little bit unrealistic to expect that 80% of people will make the move to electric automobiles by 2035? Such a radical transformation necessitates substantial adjustments to existing infrastructure. There should be as many charging stations as there are gas stations. And what about electrical grids? Can they take care of the extra work?

You are correct that electric cars have a smaller environmental impact than gas-powered vehicles. However, "less than" does not mean "none." These automobiles and their batteries nevertheless have an environmental impact during production. Who or what generates the power? If it is caused by the combustion of fossil fuels, then all we are doing is relocating the pollution.

With the decision of a handful of people, gasoline and diesel fueled cars will not be in 2035, is it? I don't want to say bad things. The decision of the so called decision makers who think about our world more than themselves does not bind me. If the countries that call themselves the knight of democracy can take this decision alone, it is not possible to talk about democracy. This decision which will be very critical, should be asked to the public first.

It is completely bogus that electric cars do not harm the environment and it is a decision that will do nothing but cut down on people's transportation. Electric cars do not make long distances and hot weather is very dangerous for these cars. Stopping a system that has been going on uninterrupted for 100 years is nothing short of utter stupidity. I will defend Gasoline and Diesel forever. They are indispensable elements for the development of humanity and civilization.

You see. Charging station are the weakest points in switch to electric cars. Doing 18km to make a fast charge is like 20minutes of your life just to get there. With petrol or diesel you would be on at home already enjoying your dinner. Long charging time, even with fast charge is the problem. As soon as we get such charging station everywhere, charging price would go up. This is millions or billions to be spend on installment and etc. And most important, no one hasnt invented a real fast charger. 40min for a fast charge is still a lot of time. With driving time here and there it could be 1/24 of a day. Are people ready to spend so much time just to charge their car?

In recent years, we have experienced dramatic climate change very strongly. At the same time, scientists and experts argue that it will become worse every year if humanity does not radically change its behavior in relation to environmental damage. Largely due to the high consumption of oil, gas and coal, humanity has come to the brink of destroying itself and its planet. Therefore, states and their unions will be forced to take very tough measures to prevent this from happening. The transition to electric cars and the abandonment of gasoline and diesel engines is just the beginning of such global changes. And no one will any longer look at the whims of individual groups of people or even individual states. Those who oppose will face very severe sanctions and punishments.

Green house emission is a big challenge that need to be tackle. I can't remember where I see something similar to this but it was similar to how the world will be free of green house emissions by 2025 and I think we are just 2 years on the year before reaching that year and look at us today, we are still fighting for the green house emissions from industrial environment and from cars that use fossil fuels.

Why didn't the government also not intervene into renewable energy alternative to make life easy for all, electric car are super expensive, solar electricity is also expensive, these are among the primary thing they need to combat if they want to achieve this by 2030.

The use of petrol and diesel may not be stopped by the government yet unless we have a unified use of the alternative to them both, now we have to see the way these alternatives have to served us first, how acceptable are they going to appear to the people and also if truly their use is going to be widely available for everyone without being sentiment, so what we should focused on for now is about how we can encourage and source out for what the people will appreciate and be a long lasting solution for generations, if not, we can be using both the petrol and diesel engine on drvices till there's a success in the introduction of something new, this may be through the use of wind, solar or bio gas means of generation.

When electric cars have two battery setups. You can have a 1 minute battery swap thus giving you 100 km cruise. The pack pops out and a charged one pops in.

The main battery would be bigger and allow say 500 km on a slow full charge.

 a two battery system would be decent.

The portable battery would be 100% swappable with all new electric cars.

Ev at 100 percent for all of us can’t happen unless they offer the two battery system .

Personally I would like to see it happen but I know human nature and I doubt it does.

All the hydrocarbon run vehicles can't be replaced with electric vehicles. I don't think that it is possible to manufacture enough EV batteries for that purpose. In the earth's crust, we have a limited amount of lithium, cobalt and nickel available and this amount is not enough to manufacture huge number of batteries. So unless someone comes up with some new battery technology, this is never going to happen.

Electric vehicles are gradually becoming a reality in our country. Because others understand that this would assist with gasoline expenses, it will also help to reduce pollution in cities. There are three-wheeled vehicles, E-bikes, and electric four wheel vehicles.

So, in the future, it may be possible to remove diesel or gasoline from automobiles. I'm not sure if they'll produce something like that doesn't require gasoline for airplanes or ships at sea. I believe it is still unclear at this time.

recently sold my favorite Toyota Prado :) For some time I was looking for a car for myself. I will say this - the next one will most likely be a fully electric car. Now I have also taken a Toyota hybrid Rav4. Beautiful car, comfortable, economical, but with internal combustion engine. Why? If I lived in a country where the situation was peaceful and everything was predictable, I would take an electric car. But... my country is under terrorist attack, and we expect new massive shelling of peaceful cities and infrastructure. So an electric car in my situation is a somewhat risky option. If I can always buy gasoline, I will not be able to charge an electric car, with a certain probability, either it will be very difficult or it will be partially charged. But ... believe in our victory, peaceful life and ... electric car :)

Is it possible for our country to use electric cars, and what about cars that still use petrol, do they have to sell them? or should I throw it away? This will definitely be the same question from everyone. Unfortunately, the government invites us to use electric cars or vehicles but instead petrol is still subsidized, even if the government wants to regulate the use of electric cars for its people, the payment is also subsidized, wouldn't it be nice if we had electric vehicles but the proceeds come from the government. Oh yes, what happens to the cars that people already own, can they exchange them for electric cars? Is all this just rubbish? That's why before taking steps to call for the use of electric vehicles, education must also be provided to the people so that they can save the energy they already have.

Good point if correct.

here is a nickel estimate.
https://nickelinstitute.org/blog/2020/january/reserves-resources-and-recycling-is-there-enough-nickel/

so 89 million left for sure and 300 million for maybe

we mine 2 million yearly.  If all numbers are true the question is how much of the 2 million mined goes to batteries right now.

I get this number  from a google search

Will Adams, Head of Base Metals and Battery Research at Fastmarkets, calculates roughly 45kg of nickel per vehicle, which meant 70,000 tonnes in 2018 growing to perhaps 600,000 tonnes by 2025.

45kg a car

google search says 85 million cars a year.

so 85million x 45 =  3825 million kgs of nickel needed or around 3.825million tons a year

So we go to 5 million tons a year vs 2 million .  we have 89+300= 389

plus we can recycle .  So for nickel it could work.

Not sure about lithium or cobalt

Even if they fix battery problem I don't think it's possible to switch to electric cars by 2035, that's too early. I believe it takes at least 50 years to make that change. EU may push for closer timeframe but for other parts of the world petrol will still dominate. The production and development of electric vehicles is still progressing very slowly. When you calculate the world population and the need for cars, it becomes clear that this isn't possible in the near future.

You know they could do a mix of ev's and hybrids really fast.

I don't understand why they don't push in that method first.

I like the telsa my partner owns one, but they could have a built in gas based generator which would

make the car be able to get to a super charger.

Most of the countries in the World are looking to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to play their role in climate protection initiatives. The UK is looking to ban petrol and diesel cars by 2030. Other European countries are also following suit. America also set the goal to reduce the sales of petrol and diesel cars by 2035.
It is clear that shifting to electric vehicles is becoming a reality, and by 2035, it will be implemented in most of the countries.

If the government continues to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, then buyers will be more inclined to buy Elon Musk Tesla company cars.  Because the cars of Elon Musk Tesla company have received a huge response.  Electric cars will be more affordable than diesel and petrol, the country is now moving towards electric cars so most people really want electric cars.At present we have noticed that electric vehicles are slowly becoming a reality in the country.  2035 is still very late,hopefully technology will be more advanced.

Technology will indeed become more advanced over time because in this world there are still many developers in terms of technology, but smart people will also consider this in as much detail as possible when they start or want to change petrol vehicles to electric vehicles someday. Because if there are still very few electric vehicle repair workshops, of course there won't be many people who want to own an electric vehicle because they might think that once it breaks they have to throw it away without any repairs.

Meanwhile, there are still a lot of petrol vehicle repair shops at the moment so they can still be considered for use by many people even though the price may be a little more expensive than electric vehicles. So the government and top officials of any country must also look at this when they want to convert all vehicles to electric, because if they are only for one-time use without being able to be repaired I think it will be very useless because when it breaks down everyone will have to spend more money to buy a new vehicle.

Repairs for electric cars are easier. Much less moving parts. The issues of bad are long time to fuel them up. A Tesla and a supercharger is over 20 minutes. I still see a fast fill up smaller pack that swaps in and out of cars as the best answer to speed up fill up time.

Other issues are flooding. If you car is on the street and floods the lithium battery could be damaged and explode. No fix in set for this as of now.

Sure, because electric car manufacturers focus on replacing parts, not repairing them. They don't fix batteries, they replace them and charge you 25% of what a new car costs for that.
Also, this depends on what you're trying to fix since with electric cars if something doesn't work with the engine it's usually a big issue, not something they can repair in an hour.
Gasoline cars can face a lot of small issues, like spark plugs, battery replacement, worn out belts, that can be easily fixed.


Even if you had a Tesla, how many superchargers are there in your area?
I have one, 10km from my house and google says it's going to take 15 min to get there. Nobody is going to drive 15 min to charge a car faster


There are other annoying issues like the battery not holding charge in low temperatures.

The people have voted on this with their money and the result is that we don't want to buy electric cars because of their price.
There are two markets, the new car market and the used car market. Electric vehicles barely exist on the used market, so most of it consists of traditional combustion engine cars.

The governments want to destroy the used car market by enforcing emission limits. There are also engine size limits. For example you pay a lot more tax in the EU when you import a car with an engine exceeding 2 L. It's all being done to discourage you from using normal cars and boost electric car sales.

Being a reality will bring joy to the world as we move away from carbon emissions to save our planet from the light rays that are penetrating due to ozone layer damage caused by caron emissions. As they have projected, it may likely become a reality as they themselves will intensify effort to make it a reality.

I will love to translate this very post in my local board, it concerns us as a country whose economy soley relies on crude oil. What will be fate of such country when electric cars takes over?.

In my opinion, regarding vehicles and the biggest contributor to air pollution are cargo cars compared to private cars. And I also think that the presence of electric cars cannot fully reduce the air pollution that occurs, because basically the presence of electric cars can only replace certain types of cars such as private cars. Meanwhile, cargo type cars, especially those that move in rural areas, will never be replaced by electric cars.

And one more thing, in my opinion, is that society can switch to electric cars, and if the target is 2035, this is impossible, because that time is considered very fast. Meanwhile, the community's economy has not yet been completely stable until now.

2035 does not seem feasible and realistic in my opinion because It'll take a lot of work to build more robust grid infrastructures or much better battery technology for that goal to be achieved.. additionally, there's still no solution for people who live in places where chargers can’t be installed other than extortionate rapid chargers..lastly charger network is not growing quickly enough.

Currently, I personally see more and more people using electric vehicles in my country. Although maybe only a few percent. But I think in the next few years electric vehicles will really become more accepted in society. Currently, electric car users may only be in big cities. Because vehicle electric recharging facilities are currently only available in big cities. But maybe in a few years electric vehicle charging facilities will be evenly distributed throughout the country. I am proud of my country for moving quickly on this.

such problem already solved in many countries its just the rural village where you won't be encountering any rapid chargers, but I guess in some countries with relatively late technology development are still struggling with such problem, the only concern of mine is whether the electricity generated for the electric cars coming from coal or are there sufficient renewable energy in which gonna keeps the environment healthy because if its coming from coal than its just the same thing.
i think government should be concerned about getting renewable energy more and more.

Eventually, it will grow fast enough in developed countries, because it is an objective which is government sponsored, in the case of those who cared for the future of the planet and the endangered species.

In the case of the USA, it will mostly depend on whether the Republican party will embrace those ideas in the future or will continue to deny there is an impact (a negative one) being done to this planet. In Europe the impact is not a topic of discussion, but already taken as a fact...

The gas/diesel car market is crazy right now and honestly that alone could also cause buyers to move towards electric. Not gonna lie Teslas are awesome, I haven't tried a Lucid out yet but man I want to. Eventually every car maker will probably shift and adjust with the markets as governments create "environmentally friendly"laws propping up EV that moves forward with their Commie agendas. When the oil is not found in the USA and gasoline engines and gas stations are out of the picture and all you have are these oversized parking lots for charging your cars we will surely miss having the gasoline because time is money. Pay the 60 dollars for a full tank of gass or wait 45 minutes or longer so you can drive the same distance and lose 1 hour of your precious time as a result? So freedom is also gone too in case the government ever wanted to shut down your vehicle, ummm so much stuff I can think of here, Electric vehicles shutting down from overheating, or being too cold? that doses't really happen with gasoline vehicles and you hear or some wild crazy stories of electric vehicles not working in those types of conditions and who even knows what sort of situation that could put you in. I could go on. But you can easily see that I don't exactly like this trending towards all electic and no gas future.

The exact event is for 2035, yes, to be exact, in the next 12 years, it is not certain whether it will be successful or not, because if we look at the need for propulsion fuel, be it petrol, diesel or others for diesel and petrol cars, it is decreasing day by day and could run out. The future total is apart from the issue of reducing CO2 emissions by up to 100 percent for car manufacturers. Now, as for the percentage of success, economical or economical, expensive or not expensive, it all depends on taste and future use.

When people mention environmentally friendly cars, I always remember about so called Euro standards. If it is planned to stop petrol or diesel car production in 2035, why manufacturers still develop and improve standards all the time?  For example in 2025 there probably would be Euro 7 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_emission_standards) already. I dont know if you have this in US or lets say outside Europe, but we have CO checks every time we pass annual technical inspections. We spend tons of money on catalyst or addons to fuel to reduce emission.

Yes this seems achievable and I think we are on a good track to surpass that goal. Many car companies are positioning themselves to achieve that goal and already want to stop selling traditional cars by 2030. All around the world there are new EV factories being build, even Saudia Arabia a major oil exporter wants to build a manufacturing hub for electrical vehicles. Same goes for China, they want to dominate the global EV market. There are big differences between internal combustion vehicles and EVs. The companies can't just switch their production facilities, it takes different materials and knowhow. All these investment need to be planned by the car companies, there is no sudden switching back to producing old cars. Still, it's not yet the end of the combustion engine cars, they are still going to run for many years and people will be able to keep repairing them and sell their used cars. It's going to take much longer for all petrol and diesel cars to disappear from the earth.

  We can discuss it to our heart’s content, EV will compose 90% of the world’s vehicle fleet by 2040. Because EV’s are cheaper to operate, charging a battery pack is cheaper than buying fuel. Maintaining an electric motor and battery pack is cheaper than maintaining an internal combustion engine. The adoption curve has started for EV’s. Up until now, batteries cost too much and took too long to charge but not any more. One misconception is that because electric cars are relatively new to the market, they are far expensive and become unaffordable for the average person. This claim again is unfounded. The Nissan Leaf is one of the cost effective electric car in the U.S that you can currently buy and it currently stands at $28,140. The average person, will spend well in excess of $1,250 per year on petrol compared to around $125 per year for an electric car, subject to your tariff.
  Furthermore, you will be entitled to benefit in kind tax for electric cars. In the U.S, monetary incentives for electric vehicles come in both federal and state issued form, in addition drivers are entitled to better electricity rates and insurance discounts. The automotive industry has been the very example of human advances in technology. And this is an innovation that will have good benefits in the climate change.

Could be then possibility. Electric cars are becoming more and more accepted into the roads and parkings now  ;) than ever before making it look like the car industry is already at a massive paradigm shift. There’s equal chances and reasons for the electric car world to both fail or flourish. It all bouls down to the fact that all it really takes is a single push at an oppprtune moment during this altercation, and we might see better days in the energy and fuel sector.

Electric vehicles are becoming cheaper with every passing year. But even now, they are on average 2x or more costlier when compared to the gasoline equivalent. The cost of EV battery is still prohibitive and it needs to come down to make such vehicles more affordable for the general population. But then, no new innovation has happened with the battery technology for the last 2 decades or so.

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Can it be more funnier? Diesel aggregate for recharging electric cars...

This is where the hypocrisy of the West is reflected, they think if they drive electric cars that makes this world cleaner, but how are these cars made, where are the lithium mines?

In my country there are too many petrol/diesel cars/trucks... people depend on it, their business depends on it. I doubt that anyone can stop the sales and usage of diesel and petrol vehicles... not now, not even in 10 years.

the only obstacle currently is the high price of electric vehicles when compared to fossil fuel vehicles. Even though electric cars are much more efficient in terms of energy usage, if the cost of buying a vehicle is still many times higher than a regular fuel car then of course people will still choose to buy a regular fuel car.

Citizens' enthusiasm for electric cars is actually quite good. It's just that high prices and public facilities for charging the vehicle's electric energy are still inadequate and don't exist in all areas which is an obstacle. When facilities are evenly distributed and available everywhere, the transition can occur more quickly.

Totally inevitable, Right?

Even if they would be saying or talking about saving up the environment or would really be talking about green or clean world but still we cant really be that able to avoid on making use of diesel/gas on which it
is really that something that relevant when it comes to usage. There's no way that it could really be that eradicated so easily just because of having that intent of zero carbon emission?
There's no way that ICE vehicles would really be cease to exist just because it would really be replaced by full EV? I dont think so.

They would really be just still remaining and both would really co-exist and its up to people whether they would really be switching from ICE to EV. If ever that car
manufacturers would really be going to full EV sales then there would really be those companies who would really be considering on still offering those
internal combustion engine vehicles yet when it comes to performance and in overall i do still prefer this one.

In my country, our government is encouraging citizens to switch to electric vehicles, but what I'm surprised about is that the infrastructure is still inadequate, so the drive to use electric vehicles is stagnating.
Just imagine, to charge the car battery you have to wait several hours, what if you are in rush hour, regarding whether in 2035 oil vehicles will no longer be available, I am also not so sure, as long as the infrastructure is not adequate then it will be impossible for electric vehicles to succeed in displacing oil vehicles (in terms of sales and also citizen interest) in 2035.

There are pros and cons to using electric vehicles. We can not justify them only by seeing the cons. The whole world is facing problems because of carbon emission. It is time to rethink the use of fossil fuels and shift to an alternative source like renewable energy. So this can be the foothold for it and if the adoption increases on a global scale then those cons will be resolved easily.

Yes they do this in the US in Colorado I know for sure and a bunch of other states in the US have to go in and get their car approved in emmissons testing.

New Jersey does it. I have had to have many cars inspected. A few years back they change to law for new cars. No inspection for the first 5 years you own it.  If if you trade in your new car every 4 years  for a new car or so you Never have to inspect it .

There's immensely much to be done to achieve this feat globally because from the whole debate the scope is  Europe and some other Western countries but achieving the complete elimination of combustion engine vehicles by 2035 in this places is something that will take more than a decade. The 2035 time frame that's put in focus could be viewed as an experimental phase.

When we take a look at the pros of using EV cars we should likewise consider that it will be weighing on the economies of those countries that heavily depends on petrol and diesel for their sustainability as a source of national income and in countries like that I doubt if they will encourage the complete elimination of combustion engine cars.  And that's why I started by saying that there's immensely much to be done.

You see electric cars mostly in the cities, but if you travel, you will barely notice an electric car outside the city. It will be kind of exception, when a person has bought a new electric car and for the first time is travelling with it (and probably the last time), or he is just travelling to a nearest town. Until electric cars can not do more than 500km on a single charge, it will be a nervous and well planned journey. And it is highly difficult to make a random ride with it. With an average diesel or petrol car, you can ride for 1/4 of Europe during 1 8h working day. With electric car, you will do 2-3 charges and spend almost a day.

We do not have strict regulation like “bury your car with an internal combustion engine and take out a loan to buy an electric car.” The population makes its own choice! There is simple economic feasibility here - many times lower operating costs, greater comfort and convenience. Even despite the fact that my country is currently undergoing a terrorist attack from a neighboring state, a network of electric charging stations is being actively developed in Ukraine, and the share of purchased electric vehicles is constantly growing. As I wrote, I now have a hybrid, but its presence is explained by the situation in the country. The plans include purchasing a full-fledged electric car, because... my regular costs for its operation will be several times lower, even for a hybrid.

It might be that your government is preparing the people before they enforce total ban of gasoline vehicles and diesels but the first thing the country need to do about this enforcement is to make certain available of constant electricity, if you have that thenbi think they have solve more than 50%. Electric vehicles cannot work without 24/7 light in the country. The next on their agenda is to bring companies that are manufacturing the electric cars your country instead of importing, that's Wil reduce import duties and extra taxes, it will be so easy to buy and available for everyone.

thats the thing with electric vehicle and such massive turn off honestly, imagine charging hours just to get to work, i'm pretty sure people will also mostly forget charging their cars at night therefore it will be waste of time when charging.
the oil vehicle still got the upperhand in this regard, but indeed its polution less unless the electric used is coming from coal and not renewable energy then its kinda pointless if thats the case.
but then again we still don't know the direction that our technology is taking, whether going 100% electric in term of car is still arguable until infrastructure sufficient.

If we compare the mileage between diesel/gasoline cars and electric cars. So until now it seems that diesel cars are still superior. For example, I took research data from last year. namely "In 2021, the IEA noted that the average mileage of an electric car with a full battery condition was 349 kilometers."¹
And this distance turns out to be only half the distance that can be traveled by a petrol car which can even cover a distance of 665 KM with a full petrol tank. This is what makes many people hesitate to buy an electric car.

But it all depends on the type of car itself. Because it is reported that the electric car from Tesla, namely Type Y, can cover a distance of around 507KM with a full battery charge². But it still hasn't been able to beat fossil fuel cars. But as research continues, maybe one day the mileage of electric cars will beat that of fossil fuel/gasoline cars.


Reference:
1. https://data.tempo.co/data/1691/berapa-rata-rata-jarak-yang-dapat-ditempuh-mobil-listrik-dengan-baterai-penuh
2. https://otomotif.okezone.com/read/2022/06/15/52/2612039/12-mobil-listrik-dengan-jarak-tempuh-terjauh-sekali-cas-bisa-melesat-ratusan-km

I do a ride to a relative that is 240 miles round trip a tesla can do 300 miles. I would like a better margin than that.

You're absolutely right, but, uh. There are nuances:
For example, my hybrid, consumes about 5.6 on the urban cycle, and 1 refueling is enough for about 1000 km.
Many electric cars nowadays can go 300-400 km, and recharge while you drink coffee. That said:
- the price will be an order of magnitude cheaper than gasoline/diesel
- the range of electric cars is growing every year.
Plus there are a lot of new technologies, almost brought to industrial production, which will bring electric cars of the middle class to the range of the same 1000 km, and it will happen in the next 3-5 years.

Low range is the most annoying thing about EVs. And no it can't recharge while you're drinking coffee. Fast charging takes about 30-40 minutes on most EVs. If you drive a lot on a highway you lose too much time (and also it's not particularly good for the battery). The only viable solution would be swappable battery packs like you could leave your battery at the charging station and plug another one instead but that would also require complete redesign of the EVs to make batteries swappable etc.   

That’s not gonna happen. Government is lying for sure. Get this, most of the taxes for government are coming from the fuel selling. If they stop the sell of fuel then how they will keep up with the national reserves. Tons of gallon is utilised every now and then just like that. From the vehicle to generators and powering emergency services to military vehicles you name it. This is definitely dream because we don’t have other means of fuel or energy producing technology that can beat the oil or gasoline. Green energy is still not as efficient as it supposed to be. Neither it would be beneficial for the Government in terms of making money and foreign reserves on import and export. There bunch of things that will restrict this from happening. Maybe a small country might do it but not everyone through the world.

Yes, most "last year's" budget and mid-priced cars do have unacceptably low range. But they are designed more for the urban cycle home-work-home, with a range of 100 +/- km on a single charge.

The suggestion "while drinking coffee" is figurative, full charging will take a noticeable time, but refueling 25-30% in order to get there can fit into an acceptable time interval.

I took a Jaguar I-PACE for a ride with a Mode 2 charging cable.  With a charging power of 50 kW, in 15 minutes you can "fill up" about 60 km. If it is a 100 kW charging station - you can already get about 100-120 km of range.

With a battery with a range of 800-1000 km, for most consumers, this problem is solved. In the future, a solution with "super-capacitors", which reduces full charging to minutes, a disproportionate number of cycles and a much larger volume. So 3-5 years and many problems will be solved.

I think the government is starting to spearhead a more extensive push for EV adoption. With the recent decisions at high-level EU institutions, it's making people more prepared to embrace the widespread presence of EVs, backed by more reliable infrastructure. There will be an increase in electric charging stations, making it easier for everyone to comply with the government's recommendations and use EVs.

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Utilizing services such as instant battery replacement, where depleted batteries are exchanged for fully charged ones, requires even more expensive equipment. At the very least, consumers would bear the cost of this double battery process, and I'm quite certain it won't come cheap. However, such a mechanism could potentially be offered as a premium service by companies. In essence, the practice of charging through battery replacement is sometimes intended for vehicle owners in certain classes who have a greater need for it.

Adopting the habit of a 30-minute charging session might make everyone gradually accustomed to it. Long journeys are undoubtedly energy-draining, and this can serve as a reason to choose to recharge while taking a break. Meanwhile, for short-distance trips, it will invariably consume minimal time and pose no significant issues.

The scheme with replacing the battery pack is more suitable, and as far as I know, is being implemented for commercial cargo transportation, such as the Tesla Semi and the like. There is a real demand for such a service, and businesses are willing to pay for this service.
For private use, for passenger cars, this will significantly complicate the design of the vehicle itself and will cost significant amounts of money, which will not be acceptable for the owners of such cars.

If they are going to ban oil car sales, they have to bring an alternative which is as good as oil cars. At the moment electric cars are not an alternative because of the costs of replacing batteries and charging/range problems. Hydrogen cars look promising though. Toyota’s Mirai is pretty awesome and it don’t produce any toxic waste like lithium cars. (It produces water) Unless they dump the electric cars and move towards hydrogen, oil will be around for a long time. My guess is we will be driving oil cars till we run out of oil but of course, that’s if we don’t switch to hydrogen. I think tesla should have made a hydrogen car instead of going full lithium. Maybe they will realize their mistake in the future.

The cost for running an electric car maybe lower than a car with a combustion engine. But the process of mining goods that are used in making batteries are way energy-hungry than mining natural gas. People may say that using gas / petrol or any other thing that burns to run the engine are causing environmental problem. Electric cars seem like environment friendly objects but is it though? If we take the idea of using solar energy to run those electric vehicles, then there's a problem with that too. The immense heat that is created from the solar panels could damage the ozone layer which is much more dangerous than what is happening right now with gas engines.

Not sure about when this will be achieved or not. But the price will only increase as days goes by. The material that is needed to construct those cars will become less and less and it will become more costly. So I don't think the price will be dropping instead of growing.
There will be back and forth before it will really be a thing. But that will take decades for sure. But I am not saying that I am 100% accurate. Because evolution happens so quickly that you are stuck for a hundred or thousands of years and suddenly in one or two years you can break through that. So that will be interesting to see in the future. And if people are able to make batteries that take less time to recharge and good convert less energy to more energy (energy could not be created or destroyed) some mechanism that uses less energy to operate. Something like quantum battery. It's still best on theory but if that is possible then the electric car era will come sooner than expected.

My country has conducted trials for the public, so that at least in the next few years people will be able to buy and enjoy the benefits of electric cars, but the trial is not efficient, there are pros and cons, apart from the high price, there are several other obstacles that are not suitable for society.
For example:

In my opinion, the economics of electric cars are quite high and maintenance is not in accordance with the economy of society in general, electric cars are suitable for those with high incomes, not for those with middle and low incomes.

My understanding is that electric cars are not suitable for all countries, only a few countries like Europe, maybe, but Asia doesn't get a positive response about electric cars.

Some people argue that this will flood the market with EVs thereby making it less expensive but I disagree.
No matter how flooded it get, it won't be sold below the production cost and the cost of producing electric vehicles is quite high.

2035 is just a decade and two years from now, that's a very short time to transition from petrol and diesel to 100% EV.
I believe the world will get to that level one day, but it won't be within the next decade.
More advancement needs to happen. This would happen when they have found a way to minimize the production cost and fix most of the disadvantages of EVs such as charging time and travel distance etc.

But are these governments really ready to move on from oil? They make so much money from oil and other oil products, so when every car no longer needs oil, products like petrol, engine oil, and diesel, oil loses its value, thereby making these government and top shots in the oil business lose money. Are they really ready for that?

also with electric cars it should be replacable battery so that it don't require charging but I guess thats too much complicated adding moving parts to the car will also reduce reliability.
the problem with hydrogen fuel is that its so expensive right now, i don't know whether we could be having cheaper hydrogen as a fuel but its really not affordable for most of people.
if there's anything the government can do, its subsidizing such eco friendly energy in the first appearance.
because as we know, its always expensive at the beginning.

In my personal opinion, with the development of technology, of course, anything will be more sophisticated, at this time there are already cars and electric motors. I have tried electric motors but in my opinion the power of electric motors is not the same as motorbikes in general which have good power at normal speeds, I don't know if with electric cars I have never tried it and also if there are no cars with fuel oil, can everyone have it? in my opinion, it's not the same as now only for people who can afford it anyways it seems like electric cars have a high price.

I have a friend who always discusses the future to come with the contents of his discussions such as this topic electric cars, electric motors, even robots to be housekeepers, every time I chat with him I can't think like him is this wrong? sometimes I myself feel annoyed with his chatter like that which discusses a very distant future. okay the future will indeed come but in my opinion not everyone can discuss something like this, they discuss the future by opening a business, saving money, investing that's what they discuss not with technology like this, it is true that with electric cars and electric motors it will be more environmentally friendly but honestly I myself am not ready for all of that.

Yesterday, the first Aion LX (PLUS Qianli package) car from the Chinese manufacturer GAC (Guangzhou Automobile Corp.) was spotted in Kyiv. The car can be supplied with batteries of various capacities, front-wheel drive or all-wheel drive. The single-wheel drive version is equipped with one electric motor with a power of 144 kW, and the 4x4 version has two, delivering a total of 290 kW.

With a 93 kWh battery, the range reaches 650 km (NEDC), and with the top-end 144 kWh battery – up to 1008 km. Acceleration from 0 to 100 km/h ranges from 3.9 s to 7.9. The maximum speed reaches 180 km/h. GAC crossovers are supplied to Ukraine mainly on order - at a price of 35 thousand dollars. In the most top-end configuration - up to 70 thousand dollars. Those. The price and range are very reasonable. The car cannot be called “exclusive” in terms of price; the price is quite reasonable considering its characteristics. The question of quality and durability remains... Although now, in my opinion, no one is considering a purchase for more than 5 years :)

PS and about charging speed:
Battery capacity: 93.3 kWh = 0.7 hours (fast charge)
Battery capacity: 144.4 kWh = 0.85 hours (fast charge)

Yes, that is always the initial problem in the eyes of the community, in terms of sophistication it is no doubt, but there are still very many pros and cons in this breakthrough electric power vehicle, although yes this is indeed very environmentally friendly and has always been a solution recommended by the government in a country to its people to reduce the level of pollution that always disturbs and pollutes the area. On the other hand, of course, as you said, maintaining an electric car is very difficult and very expensive and there are also many other things that are cons for the community, it is very clear that this breakthrough will not enter or will not get a positive response for all people, because of course it is not in accordance with the economy of the community, as a whole, and maybe I think this is only for some people who do have a high enough income.

As time goes by, the development of the era is getting more sophisticated, there are always new things that come and look very impressive if seen from one side, but I see that work is getting harder and a lot of people are having financial problems, so maybe for now I think the purchasing power for electric vehicles can still be counted because it is far from the reach of the general public in terms of finance. I understand that this is a pretty good solution provided by the government, but I hope the government must also look at various sides related to the country's economy.

Report: The average cost of electric cars has dropped nearly $15,000 year-over-year.
Kelley Blue Book has studied the cost of electric vehicles in the United States. Over the past year, the average price of such models has decreased by almost $15,000. This was reported on the InsideEVs website.

Experts said that Tesla's aggressive policy of reducing the cost of electric cars has greatly affected the car market. Now the average cost of electric cars in the US is $50,683.

In 2022, the average cost of electric cars was $65,295. Over the year, that figure has decreased by $14,612. Compared to August of this year, electric cars have fallen in price by $1529.

The affordability of electric cars is still significantly less than internal combustion engine models. Buyers of electric models on average have to wait about 97 days for their autos to be delivered. For gasoline and diesel autos, that figure ranges from 52 to 58 days.

https://insideevs.com/news/691245/new-ev-average-price-down-15000-usd/

I'm trying to weigh if by that year the demand will be up and the same goes with the supply. But maybe, since there's a law and depending on the country if public transportation is better.
Then that means that there will be more supplies and lesser demand for these electric vehicles which means to say that they're going to be cheaper by that time.
I'm just having my guess but it's like this time, times are going to come back in the old days where things that we need have been reverted back to those years than being advanced like for the cars.

Its perfectly realistic on the face of it because we can just use older car parts, it will constrict supply vs demand though which might cause some petrol or diesel cars to become worth more rather then the usual sharp depreciation.
  The biggest threat is not the car production but electric infrastructure across the country.  Just the simple question of charging time, queues, durability of recharge stations, etc. to supply this new growing fleet of drivers; surely not all new car buyers have previously used electric power as a source before so its inevitable growth in demand for those services.  Infrastructure of electricity supply is solely lacking apparently, that is the biggest flaw in it all.

I am 100% sure that those 650km and 1008km range were calculated under perfect weather conditions, when the car drove unstoppable with constant speed with only 1 driver and empty trunk. Manufacturers always do that and call it as average and default. These results are only on the paper. Real life tests are always different. I did not have much cars, but those 4 I've had during my drivers career never showed same numbers that were in the users manual.

However, charging speed remains the bottle neck of all electric cars. With 0.7h charge time, you are bond to the car. Leaving it and going away most probably would increase queue time for other drivers that wants to charge. That would be disrespectful. With high probability, the driver will get bored by waiting and would go to gas station to get snacks. That is a "+" for petrol companies, and less effective economy in electric vs fuel expenses battle.

This is a very good news for Tesla, the world's most popular electric car manufacturer that produces electric cars with great designs. By 2035 the sale of diesel and petrol cars will stop if there is an outright ban on selling such cars, if there is no ban people will still buy diesel and petrol cars after 2035. 

The production of petrol and diesel is decreasing day by day in the world which is very bad news for the world so this kind of steps may be taken to reduce the demand of oil. Every year the price of this fuel is increasing but we have seen the highest price increase this year since last year. If the price of diesel and petrol continues to skyrocket like this, then it is very bad news for diesel and petrol powered vehicles, that's why the government of various leading countries may be deciding to drive through electricity.

Needless to say all these figures are for near perfect performance, but this also has a logical rationale - no one knows how the car will be operated! Some people drive on good roads in a cycle of home-office-home, alone or with a wife, for example. And the other will drive from the fields to the market, in the area where the roads are bad, to transport crops from the field, with a load close to the limit. The latter is of course exaggerated, but to understand why such differences. I know myself - you turn on air conditioner/heating - and that's it - running reserve, though not critical, but changes not for the better. But here I mean something else - even if to take that the estimation is overestimated by 15% from real exploitation - it is already a good indicator. For example, 850 km is enough for me to drive from the capital to any border of the country. Especially if we take highways where the cycle is the most optimal (although it is not used almost recuperation).

With such a power reserve, the question of charging actually disappears - after driving 8-10 hours, the driver will definitely rest and noticeably more than 0.7 hours. Nobody forbids to put the car on charging in the evening and in the morning to have 600-1000 km of reserve for the day. By the way, the power reserve is clearly higher than the average needs of the average driver (we do not take cabs and similar services).

Personal statistics, the truth on hybrid RAV4, hybrid, model year 2022, full tank 55 liters - 900+ km. Used it a couple of times when I went to Transcarpathia

Yeah 1000km = 600 miles = far enough for almost anyone. The issue of charging vanishes for sane people.  But as we all know there are lots of less than sane people. So they will be a problem and need to face heavy discipline if they fuck up.

If not they will overwhelm charging areas and cause issues. My house has a 60 amp circuit I use for mining I could put a charger on it and charge overnight easy peasy. I do have the Tesla Truck on preorder with the 500 mile / 800 km battery.

But I am sane. I also have had asthma for 18 months to my current 66 years old. So I am naturally anti fuel oil. ( I realize 100% reduction may not be achieved.) But if we could reduce it by ⅔ it would be big for all of us not just me.

I think such potential problems will be taken into account and will be “balanced” by some mechanisms. For example, the cost of charging depends on the frequency of consumption of this service. Well, or something similar, because... For suppliers who own charging stations, such a picture will also not be very profitable.

Regarding the abandonment of internal combustion engines, I completely agree with you that in the next 20 years it will not be possible to completely abandon them. They will remain in cargo transportation (although the Tesla truck solves the problem), internal combustion engines will be in demand in armies, internal combustion engines will be in demand in underdeveloped countries for many years to come.. But many countries, and what is important, CONSUMERS are taking the vector at least towards hybrids with an eye on full-fledged electric cars. As a result, it is quite possible to reduce the 2/3 of emissions you indicated !

Health and profit to you!

the demand might have gone up a little and the supply is sufficient but how many people can actually afford cars, even till now people are still driving cars of the 1990s till now not because of anything but affordability, and if you look at the nature of these future cars like tesla they are sweet because you won't buy fuel and you also have a autopilot on the menu. the law won't be general for all countries if not where will people see the money even now people are finding it difficult to buy a car.

Totally that a marketing strategy kind of stuff on showing those fuel economy numbers on which we cant really be able to deny that this is one of the most important thing that buyers would really be that in concern before buying a car which is on its fuel economy or efficiency on which the higher the number the better but its true that those are really just that on paper and not really that based up on real time or real life situation
which tons of factors and things that could really affect in overall. So dont expect that it would really be that on point but rather it is really that way more lesser. In speaking about EV charging speeds then we do have those fast chargers. The only issue on here is that it isnt really that available on any places just like with those gasoline stations which it is almost on everywhere on which anxiety would really be there on the time  that you've been cruising with your EV on a particular trip.

Its really that hard to believe that petrol/diesel would cease to exist because of that EV's existence. They might exist but not on the point that would be totally replacing those traditional stuffs.
When it comes to performance and features then there's still things which EV cant really be able to replace or match up with those diesel/petrol powered cars
and some application on which needed up this thing which it would really be  that always relevant and much needed.

the infrastructure will be linear with the electric car demands, after all it takes time, same with oil station, do they pop up overnight? definitely no it needs time to be developed and made it sufficient for the general public.
even though its indeed that the charging time definitely a concern, because not many can afford waiting an hour just for the sake of charging, i'm pretty sure there will be better technology that can speed up the charging time.
even better if there's new technology that could bring capability of reducing the charging time into minutes.
overall that will make it become real competition for fossil fueled engine, because otherwise industry need faster and efficient transportation.

That is true, nobody forbids me from hooking car on the charge for whole night. But there is only one disadvantage of it - it has to be my own charger. I need to spend extra to get wires to my parking spot (in case I have private parking space under my flat or a house). Otherwise I will have to do rounds on the block, because charging spots are not next to every lamp post. That is extra time searching and walking home if charging spot is far from where I live.

We have following charging spots: usually there are two (fast and slow) at big petrol stations (big is the one with 8+ gas stations). Maybe 1 spot every 1km parallel road at dormitory area (but these parking spots are often occupied with regular fuel cars at night). In the city we have charging spots, but often they are occupied by office employees (they come at 8, hook they car and leave it till 5, even if they are fully charged in few hours).

If I come at evening and put my car charging till morning, wont be be a bad manner? If will surely be charged faster than my sleep and I will simply occupy a charging stop? Or you suggest to wake up, and move the car? Which will cause to search for parking stop for the rest of the night. Now compare all that written with 5min and full tank with petrol or diesel.

I think no petrol/diesel car sales by 2035 is a dream, as we know that big countries are still investing in petrol and diesel mining so if there are no petrol/diesel cars then petrol or diesel sales will drop, especially since switching to electric cars also requires almost the same power or cost. Moreover, even now in developing countries there are still many homes that do not have electricity.

Sounds logical, but. :)
if you have a gasoline/diesel car - whether you want it or not, you have no options, you have to go to a gas station ! And you can't organize it at your place.
But to make at least "slow charging" in a parking lot/garage/parking lot - it is not difficult and possible. And if several car owners agree - it is possible to install "fast charging".  And still it will be profitable against the background of gasoline costs, and taking into account the monetization of this charging station by selling charging service for other owners of electric cars

I have 1 charging station near the parking lot, there seem to be 4 charging nodes. But I do not say what type... I'll check tomorrow

I fully understand that petrol/diesel stations have disadvantages also, like dirty and smelly hands after you use fueling pistol. And it is impossible to organize own gas station due to excise tax, environmental issues, lack of storage and fuel supplies wont simply work with such small buyers like individual persons.  With organization of "personal charger" and sharing it with others instantly appears  problem of "who will be first, second... to charge". If it takes 1-2h to charge, then whos gonna wake up at night, go to parking and switch cars that will charge next? Of course that all is negotiable, but one day someone will get lazy to do that.

And with "selling charging service" income tax appears. Dont know about other countries, but in our country individual entrepreneur must pay annual tax even he during tax year he did nothing. Also if his turnover exceeds 30k, he looses status of IE and must become LLC. It might turn, that if a persons wants to sell his charging service, he will either work with a loss, or the income wont be reasonable to start this service. When the word service appears, a lot of people already act that you owe them. The owner will become that person that runs at nights to switch charging cars, and people would be unhappy or unsatisfied if they arent fully charged by morning.

Honestly gov't quite understand the problem, as the charging station can be on a 1-2-3-... charging ports. Eventually you can put 2-3-4-... pieces of them and get more charging ports :)

I do not know where you live and what is the situation in this market, but in my Ukraine, there are a lot of companies selling franchises for charging stations. And you can buy any equipment, which is complete with specialized software (your management system + mobile application for customers), ie a set for a quick start.
Taxes. Yes, they are everywhere. For example, we have a light form of taxation for small businesses. For example, under scheme 3, you can receive a year up to 5,000,000 UAH of income (it is about 135,000 dollars), and pay 5% of income. You can buy a station for each member of the family, conditionally 3 people who will each conduct individual entrepreneurial activity, and a year the family can safely get up to 400.000 dollars, paying from this amount, for the year, 5% taxes.

Not for the purpose of advertising: https://ugv.ua/ru/shop/ - just choose, buy, start a business :)
The supplier company helps in the following matters:
- project development
- installation of the charging station
- connecting it to the UGV Chargers network
- Providing software for the charging process
- placing the charging information on the map
- service maintenance

And thats an another too advance scenario on which it would really be just better that we should really be sticking up first with those initial arguments in between petrol/diesel vs electric vehicles.
Disadvantages on making yourself smells like gas? I dont know if this one is really that a serious problem or really just that simply you are really just that too sensitive even on the slightest things which arent
supposed to be an issue. Speaking about taxes then whatever that provides services and making out income then it would really be that always subject to taxation and its not really that something new
on which neither its been privately owned or not then we do know on whereit would really be heading.

In the main question whether there's still those ICE vehicles on 2035 then i would say yes. EV's might really be that be significant numbers in the future but cant really be that be able to
remove those ICE vehicles. It would really be still that relevant but well who knows on what the future looks like and there's no way on telling on how it would be
looking like. This is why its a bit pointless on making out some debates on something which arent even sure to happen.

But in general on which oil/gas/petrol/diesel would really be that still significant when it comes to usage. Not everything would really be that relying on electric
power and im sure of this one.

The infrastructure for the electric vehicles weren't perfect all around. The progress slowly takes place, however it won't be effective to stop the production of petrol/diesel cars by 2035. At the beginning people were hesitant to buy ev, and slowly got used to it as they've got charging station and other facilities all around. Then the high pricing stood as a hurdle and making calculation on the amount spent on fuel cost, people started to move towards EVs. However this couldn't move the automobile industry towards no petrol/diesel car by 2035. According to the prevailing situation and the current production of petrol/diesel cars there is more petrol/diesel required. This means at any point the production hadn't got cut, aln alternate have got added.

it just matter of waiting until electric car becoming truly viable and cheap, when the efficiency also increase, in which i'm talking about the charging time and the range it could go, then electric vehicle would start to dominate the automobile industry.
currently the efficiency of these many electric cars are still doubted, even the electric trucks one which was supposed exist to give alternative to those big industries that have frequent transporting needs to help reducing carbon footprint and save up money for their diesel fuel.
there was still no real demand for it, because the efficiency was a bit of a let down, it needs further research to perfect the technology.

It is not much of a problem, but the question of how convenient it would be to use it. If I set my own charging station in my underground parking with 2 charging ports and leave there car there till fully charged during the night, how can I let someone else use charging port (third vehicle) without going down and changing parking places with that third vehicle? Night is from 23 to 7, my car charges lets say 3 hours. If I want to let third neighbor to charge, what should I do? Wake up at 2 at night, go down and move my car? Of course no one would do that. Make charging cable extensions or separators? Isnt it making a whole process of just charge your car to complicated if we compare it 5min full tank fill of petrol/diesel car?

The problem with charging stations is following in my city - I see cars left plugged in to charging stations on the streets for more than a full charge. People plug their electric cars, and leave them plugged for few days. Just because they dont need to ride anywhere and it is kind a parking spot. The solution is simple - place charging station next to every single parking place, like parking meters in the US. But that gonna cost fortune. Without such expenses, EV's will still be a kids of exceptions, but not regular vehicles.

Regarding the forecast, I absolutely agree with you. In the field of cargo transportation, construction equipment, ship transportation, military equipment - especially diesel solutions will be in demand for a long time, gasoline ones too, but to a lesser extent, due to the lower torque of the engines and more expensive maintenance.

But the segment of personal transport in developed countries will actively migrate towards hybrids and electric vehicles! For personal ownership, this is at least more profitable in terms of regular operating costs

Yeah, it's true the world is changing from fossil fuels to electric and solar systems. The fossil fuel cost is very high and people want to get rid of it and the best choice for them is to go towards electric cars. The Middle Eastern countries are fully dependent on oil they export oil and take the money and most of the revenue approximately 80 to 95% on oil and now they want to get rid of it because the world going for electric cars. The prince of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia Muhamand Bin Salam started a mission named MBS mission 2030. In this mission, he wants to change this dependency on oil on time and much. They do think for the future and if it goes the same then I think the future will be de electric cars

Cuba hasnt had new cars built or imported since the 1960's mostly and they did just fine for at least ten years or more.   The drama over the deadline is a bit overspun, it wont matter so much except to the companies selling these cars themselves who require the production to be more seamless then the effect of a dead stop incurs on the industry.   
   Can they make new electric cars appeal to the those used to the convenience of petrol, thats a bigger test I think yes as the dynamics of the two products are different and there is an advantage to consumers if they want it.    Very long journeys still are favored by the very fast refill a car has in its energy, outside of that its all navigable.

Such initiatives can be successful. If we consider a few things we can easily understand that there will be no more oil-powered car in the future. If an electric car can be operated for less than the cost of driving a combustion engine car, it will definitely be accepted by everyone. On the other hand, electric cars will not harm the environment, so a user can benefit from all sides. The EU aims to implement this by 2035. While it is easy to take such steps in developed countries, it will not be easy to implement it in underdeveloped countries. Because there are many countries where electricity supply is still not 100%. But with the change of times, as everything is changing, at some point Oil powered car will also change. It's just a matter of time. I hope that electric cars will be adopted in many countries by 2050.

Well, I wouldn’t consider such specific cases. Not everyone drives during the day, and during the day you can rent out a charging station while you are away. The charging station can be located in a “common area” and roughly serve 2-4 parking spaces. Here the question is limited only by imagination! :) The main point remains - it’s easier to implement than your own gasoline/diesel/gas filling station, and the technology allows you to monetize this solution without human participation at the station. I like the concept better - looking for how to solve a problem than explaining why it cannot be solved :)

Not cure if bringing the case of Cuba is completely valid as a comparison, Cube has not been able to renew their automobile park because of political reasons, over economical ones. They had to learn how to repair and keep their old cars running by their own, basically.
The case of the European Union is different, they are aware of the problem which the global climate change could represent for future generations so they want to become leading market for EV. The deadline can be moved, sure, but the environmental implications won't let them to forever stretch the deadline.

The autonomy of EV is not very great, that is true, and certainly pouring gas onto a tank is faster than changing a battery.
EVs are easier to be implemented in densely populated zones than in rural areas, where people are more isolated, the EU would not mind if those in rural places continued to use gasoline, after all the big cities are the one which contaminate the most.

There's a sudden flood news and launching of electric vehicles in my country(Philippines) recently. And it's like our government is setting the idea of 50% EVs and 50% diesel/petrol cars by 2040. I don't know if that's going to be possible but with the keep on rising of petrol's price, maybe it's possible as everyone in here looking for a way to save. There are already countrymen of mine that have purchased small EVs. And I think that we're expecting more of these EVs to be launched for the next coming years but I just don't like most of them since they're Chinese brands.

But if the government makes fuel scarce in order to encourage people to prioritize the use of electric cars. So this will force people to switch to electric cars. or fuel prices can be raised to a higher level which makes the price calculation for using fossil fuels and electricity the same or even more economical for electric cars.

But still, without adequate infrastructure, everything will run slowly. Electric cars still won't get much interest if the electric vehicle infrastructure itself isn't ready.

such target of having 50% of vehicle turning electric is definitely possible, but only if the government help incentivizes the use of electric vehicles, only then the demand for the EV will increase, and then the company that built the ev will also help support the infrastructure, beside from the government action itself in building the EV infrastructure.
honestly it just needs electric plug with big capacity then you're set.
I can see many gas station also making these things available so the infrastructure building needed aren't that massive, its still quite rare right now because not many people own EV.

In our country, there's already an incentive for those that will purchase and use EVs and that's no coding. That means that you can travel anytime you want and you'll have no coding, I am actually considering that but with my lack of knowledge about EVs and also the budget, hehe.. I might not be able to do that. I'll just wait for more infrastructure to be built in our country with those electric stations for charging, good thing that there are already some in the metro NCR but there should be more in almost different parts of our country.

It could be a reality but making people change the car is not an easy task.

We might see car manufacturers produce some small electric cars but not all the brands and some of them make the hybrid version of cars. I think the roadmap would be like this Conventional Car -> Hybrid car -> Electric Car -> Future Generation Car ex. Hydrogen Car. But make transition is hard task and need government support.

Going by the take of people using the internal combustion engine cars, I think most people that are not open to new technology and innovation will want to stick to what they have known all their lives and not change course.

The reason is because, they don't want to learn new 'tricks at old age'. However, there exists a set of people who are crazy about technology and wants to try out the new technology. There will be a challenge in trying to entirely change the system to Electrically driven cars until/except the government steps in with sanctions, which is what the Europian Parliament has done. However, I do not see the posibility of it being global until certain infrastructural challenges are addressed, especially in places where power generation isn't sufficiently produced.

You made a very good point about habits. People of the older generation have a unique way of thinking and a fear of the new. From a personal example: a couple of years ago I suggested to my father (80+ years old) that he replace his car with an internal combustion engine with an electric car like the Nissan Leaf - for driving around the city, and his needs are sufficient with a huge margin, plus comfort and safety. The answer stunned me - “I won’t drive it, I don’t know how to fix it” :) I tried to explain that it is much more reliable, plus you don’t have to fix it yourself - there are service companies - not at all! “I don’t know how it works, how I’ll drive it, and where’s the clutch pedal anyway!?” :))) Therefore, I agree with this - there will still be a layer of people with a similar mindset who will operate “their favorite gasoline car” until their “last breath”, but will not switch to the new technology...

PS But I’ll add - at the age of 70 he became interested in a computer, I gave it to him - and he MASTERED it and uses it constantly for his needs. It turns out that when you want and are interested, there are no fears of something new :)

Why would you want to make people change their cars? Why not let them drive what they want?
I like my car, I wouldn't want to change it. It's has a gasoline engine, has a nice sound that I enjoy while driving. I don't want an electric car that sounds like nothing, doesn't feel like there's a machine inside, isn't fun. I'm fed up with socialists telling me what to do with my life. If they want people to drive electric cars they should compete on the free market. Make electric cars cheaper and better looking than the gasoline cars instead of trying to force people to choose by taxing and fining them.

Complete pipe dream by that time frame. Here’s the thing I don’t think most people realize about that these batteries made for electric cars are also not good for the planet, they use up a lot resources to make them and I’m not so sure it’s all that much better or a deal at this moment in time or not (environmentally wise).

One day it’ll be all electric or we will learn how harness and store solar power for long periods of time.

If it has been that easy to do, why are many other car producing companies not making moves to create other alternatives that people can use aside the ones that make uses of petrol or diesel engine, if we are that much interested in having new offers that may erase the totally dependence of the use of petrol or diesel cars, then we may still have a long way to go in achieving this, already there are cars that dont depends on that, but the economic sustainability of using those kind of cars must also be well considered.

Still, there are some 12 years for this, as there is an increase of Electric Vehicles so these things will be less with time to time. As we have seen in some countries there are only those cars which are only running through the batteries I mean they are electric and mostly government can take many benefits from it. The European countries love this way of car advancement and especially the young generation which loves cars which run on electricity and they are chargeable instead of petrol and diesel in which they have to fill their cars with diesel which are too costly.

For the young generation, it will be very expensive the cars which run on petrol and diesel and many countries which are average and there are low salaries for the people so they want it.
I think it would be better for the people of these countries that in 2035 we would see all over the countries there will be only Electric Vehicles and there will be no cars that run on petrol and diesel.

I don't know whether these battery can be recycled, I guess after sometime of use they lost their element characteristics, the mining of these batteries also caused massive environment damage, it makes me think whether electric vehicle is the right path to go, after all there are hydrogen fueled vehicle that quite literally just produce water as its waste.
quite better if compared with electric vehicle though thats only knowing the basic, but the fact that its so expensive producing the hydrogen fuel is a problem on its own.
the thing is right now, we need something thats efficient, cheap to produce while also saving the planet, and I think we need to make decision about this.
whether to go on hydrogen fuel or electric vehicles, though as said, EV on its own have its own implication of polluting just as bad as fossil fuels.

Any EV owners here? Would gladly hear your daily driving and charging routine. I have never driven EV. I have no EV owners among close friends, that will tell the truth about EV. All I have are only those who have bought new EV recently and they are still under impression of a new car, than EV car. I can afford to buy a small EV, but the idea of riding 400km in one way to mother-in-law to other city with just 1 charge scares me, as I am not used to planning route from rare electric charge to charger.

Is anyone really forcing you to throw away your gasoline-powered car, take the money out of your account and buy an electric car? I honestly don't know of any such examples. There is popularization and promotion of this technology - here I agree. And many people make their choice in favor of electric cars. Some, like me, can use an "intermediate option" - hybrid cars. If my memory serves me correctly, only Norway imposes any legal restrictions on the sale of personal cars with internal combustion engines.... And that's not accurate.) But in Norway the culture of saving nature and ecology is already high, I think people there will massively switch to electric cars without any coercion.

I've tried EV even having long range traveling with it, 400km for every charge is true, usually you will want to have some checkpoint where you gonna stay for few hours to charge and eat some bread and coffee before the battery completely empty. usually if there's charging outlet with fast charging capability then you will have no worry about charging at least 30 minutes you gonna get around 200km range. but its problem when there's no infrastructure for your EV nearby you will think of finding some place to stay and charge using your own charger which usually gonna take a long time more than 3 hours.
thats why its still ineffective, there are many things need to be improved. after all, waiting for hours while using fossil fuel you only need few minutes to get your vehicle running for another hundred kilometers is already a dissappointment on its own, but surely with time, the technology will advance and gets perfected.

What about the case when you ran out of energy and closest charging station is kilometers away? With regular fuel, you can just walk to gas station, get canister and return. In case there are no cars the are passing by. With EV, you cant just get a small battery at charging station. I agree that this case is more like an exception. But there are cases when charge meter gets a bug and shows you incorrect info. With cars that runs on fuel it is a bit easier. Even if you ran out of fuel, you can still use your AC battery to heat the car (in case you travel not alone), leave it with warning lights and walk to fuel station. With EV, once the battery is empty, the car is just a piece of aluminum, plastic and fabric.

Good example with a "catch" :)
Answer:
- yes, you have to realize that an electric car assumes that you will plan your route with energy consumption in mind. At the moment, when gas stations for e-cars are not so common.
- If you have an electric car, and you "stop" in a place where there is electricity, you can get minimal help when you are pulled a short distance where there is ...an electrical outlet, and "refuel" your car with the minimum amount of energy needed.
- If you have an internal combustion engine and you stop in the middle of a field where the nearest gas station is 50 kilometers away, you also have a very unpleasant situation. The only hope is that someone will share the gasoline, provided that someone either carries a canister or drains the tank, if they have the necessary equipment. Or will pull to the nearest gas station. Where, for example, there may be a lack of the necessary brand of gasoline.... That's a tricky situation, too. Although I agree, there are more gasoline stations than electric stations.

I heard that there are many powerbank for car being in development specifically made for EV that you can carry around just in case but then it'd also take up some spaces in the car unlike petrol based vehicles that usually just need some fuel brought from nearest gas station.
but there are many EV manufacturers that offers service to charge when the battery is running out like for example is hyundai, they offer service like emergency service to help but i don't know how effective it is and how wide is their coverage.
meanwhile its still become a problem needs to be solved after all its not uncommon seeing car running out of gas or electricity.

I am sure that Hyundai will charge EV owner for this service, and powerbanks are partial solution. I mean, you never know when you completely run out of gas or power in your can. It always happens suddenly. With regular car, you can use any bottle, any container to get some fuel. While such powerbanks for EV I think will be sold only in specific shops. And how huge this powerbank has to be? With 1l bottle with petrol you can ride on average 10km, and it isnt heavy. If EV powerbank is as heavy as AC, then it will quite an adventure to bring it back to car from shop if you stuck in a middle of nowhere.

Like I’ve said, I dont have EV and experience with owning it. Maybe I am dramatizing a lot and life with EV is much easier. But right now I am to cautious of having it as a main car and riding it every day without having a headache of how and where to charge.

The drive for no or minimal combustible engine is a good one and will prevail over time, this might only delay more than the world leaders envisaged, yet it's a project that have come and come to stay for the common good of the earth. All your concerns about the EV are only genuine for now, but have you thought of it in the next 30 years when the initiative would have dominated very well?

By then, all this concern of the distance of getting your battery charged or changed would have long gone since many businesses would have been built around it to the point that you might see where you even get your battery fixed and not only charged. The filling station you see today didn't just sprout overnight, it took time, and the more the petrol engines fade away, the more the EV project springs up, and even those petrol stations you referred to would be converted to the EV workshops.

First of all, why you talk about next 30 years, when in topic name it is mentioned 2035. It is just 10 years, which is very short period for history of engines, and there suppose to be no petrol/diesel cars, and all the fuel stations gonna be rebuilt to EV chargers. Also consider that petrol/diesel engine engineers dont just sit and wait until their engines becomes useless. Wont it be easier to create more ecology friendly engine, than convert all fuel stations to electric charging stations?

Honestly I don't think that we will reach this target by 2035. Even in the United States, less than 10% of all the vehicles are EV. And in third world nations (except China), this proportion is much lower. Current EV manufacturing capabilities are not sufficient to increase the number of EVs by 30x to 40x by 2035. Setting up the factories is one thing, but ramping up the mining of essential metals such as Lithium, Nickel and Cobalt is another. Honestly I don't think that the Cobalt production can be ramped up by a lot, since a limited amount of this metal exists on earth's crust.

Just cant realize what gonna do all the V8-V12 engine fans if the world turns into EV production only. Personally, one of the reasons why I dont like EV is their sound, or I would better say soundless rides. They sound like the trolleybuses. I would pay for petrol car only for hearing roar every time I press pedal. You might say that owners can always install individual exhaust systems and get that roar (modern manufacturers actually do that by installing sound modifiers with V6+several turbines in fast cars, that used to be V8-V12 in past), but that will always be fake.

If you are a car enthusiast then hearing out that V12 or V8 sound would really be just music to the ears on which i do completely agree, but if you are really just that in concern with that then pretty sure
car manufacturer who had switch to EV path would definitely be considering on putting up some speakers just to hear out that ICE kind of sound which would really be that giving out that kind of vibe
but for me then it would really be just still not that enough since you know deep inside that it isnt real. Even myself doesnt really like that kind of thing.Yes, when it comes to efficiency
and really that helping about surroundings due to green energy but i cant really just that resist that with the current internal combustion engine cars is really that still preferable.

If it turns out that there would really be some flipping out with those ICE cars then there's nothing we can do about it but pretty much sure that those old models will definitely be increasing its price?Possibly.
Also, making up that full integration or switch will really be taking up some time which we know that maintaining EV"s wont really come cheap and from that battery alone
then you would definitely be that thinking up twice when time comes.

Just my few cents about engine and exhaust sound:

Motorcyclists modify their exhaust system by making it laud not only to piss everyone off, but also to increase their passive safety. If you hear it, you are warned. EV are sometimes so silent, that you sometimes can be scared by their sudden appearance. I think that engine sound increases a bit overall safety. Sometimes people dont bother looking left and right when they pass the street, but hearing incoming car might give that extra 1% of safety.

The total face-off for this petroleum product is not obtainable, we can only say that the price will reduce drastically because of the new measure on the ground as an alternative, despite that carbon monoxide is a dangerous gas people still prefer gasoline engines because it is more powerful and can discharge its command effectively than electric, much work needs to be done in other to get this alternative energy effective, remodeling of batteries that will feet particular stuff that's meant for, so, for now we should wait for improvement.

you're definitely not dramatizing, things with EV gets worse with the fact that battery capability is decreasing along the usage and time passed.
there has been many problems about the battery of some EV suddenly empty out of nowhere, this definitely a serious concern if one wanna own EV.
because we don't know if our EV will eventually got some problems like this, even having powerbank will become useless if the battery isn't healthy.
there are still many problems with EV honestly that still gets unexposed, eventually once it becomes more mainstream, it will have many problems surfacing.
thats when the development would advance for this technology.

Really depends on the battery chemistry, how its acquired and made also.  The main thing is technology is advancing this whole avenue of power, we have the possibility to use more natural elements and more easily recycled.   If it weren't for progress the battery and solar power route would not be viable anyway, its come so far it doesnt make too much sense to believe we cannot also continue to advance and see even greater gains.
  We should have a variety of routes in future not just one path, it will still be the case both gas and oil have unique properties that are useful and will be used for another century.  My take on why that is again history, coal was surpassed a century ago its not near to the best since then however it has its uses.

As far as i remember on which the battery efficiency would drop 80% efficiency on 10 years time. I dont know if im right or i had just read up the wrong information about it.
If this is the case then for sure it would really be that something that kind of chance and as we do see that there are already several companies now had launched up their EV's and there are ones who had
already manufactured their last combustion engine car on which we can presume that they would really be that going ahead with EV's on which consumers wont really be having no option but
to accept if ever this one would realy be fully be switching up then consumers would really be needing to adopt but it would really be that totally that convenient if we do have tons
of charging stations in the road on which it would really be that giving that convenience to consumers for them to have  that switch up.

Sale for now then it might be still less but since it is really that still starting up and if it would be able to prove it self on the market about its durability and efficiency
then there might be some recognition later on and demand would increase.

Batteries being produced now can last ten years or more fairly easily as I understand it.  Some good care is required but its quite possible and normal for any user to do that.  In future we will improve technology further but its fair to say the first uses of battery technology did register too commonly failure before the ten year mark but technology advances at a much higher rate then expected so from what I've seen the whole sector will be fine.

  The other point not being estimated correctly is how well cars can integrate into an economy especially with irregular energy production the battery becomes a utility device to store that cheap energy when available.  Most house holds cannot currently store cheap off peak energy but the electric car unlocks that ability and will add efficiency across the country as usage rises.
  These reasons and other positives are why we might be underestimating the rising use of electric over prior technology.  For fun driving I still want petrol same as anyone else but most car use is for practical reasons so I see transition will occur imo.

I don't think the current fiasco Tesla is under serves well in making the electric vehicle industry look good in the public, or at least the face of electric vehicles for that matter, Maybe we should push this back a little further lol like in the 2050s or something? That seems a little more feasible since improvements in the guiding systems as well as other peripherals are also being looked upon by many ev manufacturers lately. Tesla's under fire, Audi's not getting anywhere with their electric vehicles, and while China has been doing their part in creating these electric vehicles, they haven't penetrated the global market just yet and their shit had that bad reputation of always breaking down. Not looking good for our EV bois.

It will be reality in nearby future. Because there are other types of vehicles becoming popular like electric vehicles. In my country, even the leading political company is in favor of no more petrol cars by 2030.

If this support is aimed at the next seven years, I think there will still be petrol vehicle users during that time. Because personally, everyone is starting to consider this from now on, even though many people still don't have an electric vehicle at the moment, because there are still basic things that many people are thinking about.

Such as the durability of the vehicle and also easier service when you want to make repairs to the vehicle or want to make modifications to the electric vehicle, so these are considerations that many people are thinking about now before actually using an electric vehicle for the long term. Especially for people who don't like changing vehicles in a short time, it is clear that they will be very detailed in making their analysis and considerations for the future.

I would like to add a few words about the batteries themselves, because today they are the bottleneck of electric cars. In the very near future, new technologies for the production of energy storage systems will appear on the market. Among these technologies:

Carbon nanotubes of lithium electrode
Copper nanowires of the lithium cathode
Lithium-air carbon
Silicon lithium
Carbon-foam capacitor hybrid
Lithium-silicon polymer
Lithium sulfur-carbon nanofiber
Lithium-manganese composites, silicon-carbon nanocomposites

And perhaps the most important technology or concept is the transition from purely rechargeable batteries to the concept of super-capacitors.

All of this ultimately solves several problems:
1. Capacity
2. Charge rate
3. Number of charge-discharge cycles
4. Cost
5. environmental friendliness of production and recycling

Speaking about batteries, what is the current situation on the market with them? Are there enough specialists to perform maintenance? What if all of a sudden something happens with a battery? Can it be replaced in a week? Or there are queues in services? Only official dealers are able to do that? How hard or easy it is to change old to a new or fix (if it is even possible)? Are there battery alternatives on the market? As with petrol/diesel cars, it is a matter of 3-5h to change old plastic or aluminum (dont know much about old cars, maybe it isnt aluminum, new cars have plastic tanks), new original or alternative tank can be found in 1 day, plus old can always be fixed or cleaned.

It is not plausible that there will be no diesel cars by mid-2035. It may be that the process could begin by then and be introduced in many states on a trial basis Another system requires a revolution before another revolution is concerned with many and if electric cars take off, the price of electricity will skyrocket.Now maybe oil or gas dependent countries are taking various opportunities to increase the price of these two things, so this decision might be coming and the current world is leaning towards renewable energy because it is environment friendly.But when we become dependent on electric power, those who have achieved great success in the power generation sector will take the same opportunity, they will increase the price of electrical appliances along with the price of electricity If given, car prices will skyrocket and developing and underdeveloped nations will be largely deprived and left behind in modern facilities.So in my opinion both should be used in combination rather than relying on one so that neither side can do anarchic business.And in order to save the world from the hands of the environment, climate change must be prevented, for this the use of renewable energy as an alternative to natural energy has been called by the United Nations as one of the 17 goals of the United Nations SDG Having a goal with the medium renewable energy statement is however very important.
Finally, I would like to say that if this system is introduced, certain countries will benefit and other countries will be in danger and the oil producing countries will not accept it and will not allow it to be implemented by 2035It is nothing more than a dream that many major oil or gas producing states will withdraw from the policy and continue the system as before as a result of various proposals by the states.

Seven years is a very short time to be able to change this, it is indeed possible for everyone to switch to electric cars, but I will not be sure/believe that this will happen in the near future because not all groups can afford electric cars and there are still many underdeveloped or developing countries are not yet ready for this change.
Currently, if we look at the positive, better and more sophisticated changes will occur in the future slowly and for big things I am sure they will be realized over a long period of time.

I think there is no way that there won't be petrol or diesel cars or truck by 2035. There are heavy machineries and truck that can not rely on batteries for there fueling. Batteries can not power all appliances we have since the lifespan of batteries is not that long and and there will be need for recharging them which can affect production speed and efficiency. Maybe by then there will be a better options that is more reliable than the use of batteries. It is obvious that technology is advancing on a high speed and soon we might have a better technology than the use of batteries or something that will increase the efficiency and the lifespan of battery usage.

The transitioning will take time it will just happen all of a sudden, gradually people will come up with new inventions something that will suite the current paradigm. Scientists, engineers and inventors are working really hard to make our life better, I believe we already have some inventions of these already, such inventions will take years of test run so that it can suit the mass, after all what’s use of these innovations if humanity can’t benefit from them. Cars running with batteries by 2035 is a possibility we have started seeing them function. And other car companies are venting to moving from gas to battery. The globe is keen to keeping the climate and its ozone layer clean soon running cars without gas will be top tier.
  Technology will keep to improve as the year progresses, innovations won’t stop until the world comes to an end they are looking at making everything from renewable energy and this will help our planet. There’s is this mass movement about saving the world. With time they can achieve this aim, and gradually we see other developments that will help solve other problems.

Transition wont really be that an instant and just like been said that it would really be that just on gradual phase but i dont really believe that it would really be completely be able to replace it out considering that we've been using up petrol/diesel cars since the beginning of time and plus we do know that when it comes to in comparison to power delivery and durability then i could say that cars that running on petrol is much better.
We've seen that there are electric vehicles that are really that being on sale or offered now on which i cant deny that it is really that interesting which considering that petrol nowadays is really that keep increasing
its price on which it is already that expensive on which it isnt economical if you are really that making use of those petrol/diesel cars, somewhat you wont really be that making
yourself that in problem if you are rich but if you are that somewhat an average type then it surely does matter.

The only thing that i doubt with these EV's is into its maintenance cost and also with that battery pack on which it is something that will really be that having that main question,
on how long it would be lasting? There's no such thing that you could be able to say on where it would be lasting and pretty sure that it doesnt come cheap.

We should all hope the trend towards electric vehicles continues and accelerates even faster, because there will be a lot less pollution around when the majority of the world makes the major transition. It seems like an inevitability that will benefit everyone, almost at the level of transferring from horses into motorized vehicles, it is a natural progression. While we should never forget that a lot of dirty and toxic materials can be created during the extraction process to get the necessary metals and minerals, it should theoretically be easier to manage those in the more limited locations, instead of emitting poisonous gases by millions of cars on the roads every single day.

I know it's a technological advancement that will probably be one of the newest trends of the future - but how can we ignore that high electricity usage doesn't cause many problems?

Bitcoin mining is considered bad because it uses a lot of electricity which is not good for the environment - while what if those hundreds of millions of cars have no impact on the environment even if a positive impact can be expected. I'm sure this will have its pros and cons - but however, the development of time and technology will continue to satisfy human civilization.

I've read about such case when a guy was testing a Tesla and wanted to see if it really shows the real range. He wanted to push it to the limit.

I don't remember all the numbers and the article was from at least a year ago but he wanted to travel from one town to another and planned the rout a day before. The car showed him that he can go from point  a to point b at full charge with some margin. There was a charging station at point b.
When he was maybe 20km from that spot the car started showing that he won't make it and instead of +10km left it corrected to something like -2 so he thought that maybe the car is wrong and he can make it. After all this was a trip of more than 200km and the car was showing that it will lack 1% charge to make it.

Long story short, he didn't make it and the car shut down in the middle of the street with no charging station nearby, so he went to a hardware store and bought the cheapest gasoline power generator and charged it a bit to make that 2 additional kilometers to his destination.

No one knows what will happen in the future, but since we are using modern technology, it is possible that something like that will happen if that is what people want, in my opinion.

Because of my several decades in this world, I have not seen anything that our time is not developing; instead, as time goes on, there is innovation when it comes to technology. Before, there was no electricity, appliances, or cars, but now, because of the knowledge of people, there is also development, which is why it happened.

Yeah, because everyone will either buy used fossil fuel cars or buy new electric cars that are refueled with electricity that was produced by burning fossil fuels. Unless we discover a different way to generate electricity, we will come to the conclusion that our energy demands outstrip our energy production. The discovery would have to be something amazing though, like cold fusion.

I mean you can try slapping a solar panel on your Tesla but it won't generate enough electricity in a day to move a car.

2035 seems optimistic. Especially with with all the undiscovered oil reserves. Who needs a life-nurturing environment when you can save money?
 

The current EV technology causes more damage to the environment when compared to the gasoline vehicles. Mining Lithium, Cobalt and Nickel has devastated ecologically sensitive areas of the world. If you have a doubt regarding this, then please visit Norilsk or the Democratic Republic of Congo. And it is not just the batteries. Most of the electricity that is used to run these EVs come from burning fossil fuels - natural gas, or even more polluting fuels such as coal, lignite or naphtha. EVs seems to be more polluting than gasoline vehicles at this point.

Mining coal has destroyed entire mountains in china 🇨🇳 and in the usa 🇺🇸.

Not that mining lithium cobalt or nickel is clean.

If such an indication comes from the EU, I think it will take a long time. Because if this digital technology makes it, then surely few centuries can pass. Although they have decided to meet this target by 2035, I think it may take several more years, maybe 2050, when this technology will be introduced. We know cars are driven by gasoline, octane all over the world, yet there is no such case of electric car being made. However, if in the future electric engine powered cars are made, the cost can be reduced a lot, but we may not be here in this world to see this principle come into force.

That sounds expensive. If he had a regular and wanted to run same test, it would cost him around 1 EUR for a 1.5l bottle of water, and the cost of fuel that will fit it.

Instead of having EV only in 2035, it would be better to switch public transport to electric busses. As they operate in city limits, charging or battery issues wont be such a trouble. Everyone will win from that. Manufacturers, as they will have a long lasting contracts with cities. Cities that will be more emission clear.

It is undeniablethat nickel, cobalt, and lithium extraction has a negative impact on the environment. Two striking instances of ecological destruction are the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Norilsk. But surely there's no harm in pushing the boundaries, giving the situation a closer look, and delving further into the long-term consequences?

Renewables are seeing a fast transformation in the field of energy production, signaling a change. It is important to weigh the potential for cleaner, sustainable energy against the short-term environmental costs associated with EV production. Although it is a transitory problem, EVs emit more pollution than gasoline-powered cars. The environmental equation will probably shift in favor of EVs as clean energy sources are gradually deployed.

This seems like a dream to us, but when the supply of diesel petrol will decrease, people will be more focused on electric cars. In 2035, people of the world may buy more electric cars, but even in 2035, I don't think diesel or petrol cars will stop selling. Sales of diesel and petrol vehicles may decline slightly but will not stop completely. I think the demand for sports cars will always remain in the world and most of the sports cars are petrol engines. If an electric car manufacturing company builds a supercar or a sports car, it will not get much market because by sports car we mean very high speed, several hundred kilometers speed within braking moment, these are possible only in petrol engine.

This was done only for the test and the guy was a journalist, but it can happen to a normal user. I don't read about electric cars or cars in general enough to come across more of these stories.

You're right. Busses drive around all day and generate enormous amounts of fumes when compared to a car because they drive very inefficiently. They start driving, gain speed, brake, come to a stop and repeat the whole thing. All that with high mass and bad aerodynamic efficiency.

The only thing that makes me angry about electric cars is that they want to tax all of us who don't have enough money to buy one so that we stop driving at all. In other words, you're rich, you buy electric car and drive like you used to. You're poor, we're going to make you pay for your old car so much that you'll either have to sell it and ride a scooter or something or you'll have to take a loan to get an electric car.

How do you suggest making the EVs more environmentally friendly? For the last 2 decades or so, I haven't noticed any significant improvement in the battery technology. The same type of batteries (Lithium-Nickel-Cobalt) are being used even now. Unless someone come up with a better technology, which uses metals and minerals that are more readily available in the earth's crust, this issue will persist. But given the huge amount of investment currently being poured into Lithium and Cobalt mining, I am not sure whether any of the major EV manufacturers are even considering a need for a different type of EV battery. 

There are two pieces of good news:
1. Many manufacturers in many countries have started to produce mass and cheap electric cars. Yes, while most of them are for the "urban cycle", i.e. with a range of up to 150 km, but this situation is already much better. Objectively speaking, less than half of car owners have a need to travel over this distance.
2. Today, electric cars have already "overtaken" gasoline sports cars in terms of acceleration speed. The efficiency of an internal combustion engine will never catch up with the efficiency and dynamics of an electric motor. And now electric motors have become compact and the technology is acceptable for the supercar or race car format 

Frankly speaking, that is not much of an advantage to consider buying EV. What are urban speed limits ? 30-50-70km/h. What is the point of beating car with internal combustion engine in acceleration for few second, when they will meet at the traffic light. Racing in the city area? Not the best place to figure out whos car is faster.

Speaking honestly, I would have bought a small and cheap EV with urban range of 150km, if they really be cheap. They are cheap only compared with premium and middle range EV segment. But on a distance, a small car like Toyota IQ, Hyundai i10, VW up are much affordable. Of course there are EV that has same price, like Citroen Ami. But their look forces to puke. Cheapest EV cost 20-25k EUR. If it is a city car, it wont cover much distance. Hyundai i10 cost around 15k. EV car will die faster than it will make its owner to economy on fuel and liquids those 5-10k EUR difference.

Super fast cars aren’t only possible with petrol powered engines. If we can have bullet trains that are also super fast and are electric powered, sport cars aren’t really far behind. It has been quite the challenge to get people to buy and drive electric vehicles.
Petrol powered vehicles would most likely still be available in the market by 2035 as there would be still be quite the demand for it. Electric powered vehicles could in the distant future, majorly replace petrol powered vehicles but for now, a lot of people are still resistant to change.

I'll start with not the main thing, but where I agree absolutely - DESIGN. Or rather ANTI DESIGN :)  That now design departments of many automakers create, for this we should be punished :) Fiat Multipla is very attractive against their background :)
Well here only on trends can be written off, as nobody forbids manufacturers to make more sane, even ascetic design, and it does not require super expenses. In a word, the question is more philosophical....

The second question is what is an "expensive/inexpensive car".
Now on the market there are many electric cars in the price range from 15,000 to 35,000 dollars. In general, they are no different from cars of the same class with internal combustion engines. I agree - 10 years ago the difference was noticeably greater, with not a very large range of electric cars. Now everything you want - from compact city cars to "parket crossovers". And not a few models in the above range.

Yes, the only thing I will confirm is that yes, in a noticeable number of countries there are still problems with the infrastructure to service electric cars. And there is a whole layer of countries where people drive one car for 20-30 years, simply not being able to buy a new one....

PS About the "unique design" - let me remind everyone of the boom of the world car industry in 1950-1960, there were a lot of "amazing" designs at that time too  ;D

Speaking about Tesla's top speed or simply with electric powered vehicles? Then watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpLRQdB76fw
https://www.way.com/blog/what-is-the-fastest-tesla/


Tesla Car Model    Top Speed    Acceleration (0-60 mph)    Torque (lb-ft)    Horsepower (HP)
Model S Plaid    200 mph    2.0 sec                            1,050 lb-ft         1,020 hp
Model S           155 mph    2.4-2.5 sec                    310 lb-ft         778 hp
Model 3           162 mph    3.5 sec                            302 lb-ft         450 hp
Model X           155 mph    3.8 sec                            487 lb-ft         670 hp
Model Y           135 mph    4.6 sec                            376 lb-ft         384 hp
Source: https://www.way.com/blog/what-is-the-fastest-tesla/

These numbers are insane.People would really be just skeptical when it comes to battery or simply the maintenance or simply with the charging stations.

I agree, if the diesel/petrol cars are emitting more pollution and contributed to it. There's also the side effect of having more batteries and electric cars.
People just don't see this because all they think that it's cleaner, safer, and economical. But if they will look at it, the system and design of the car just actually changed but with its environmental impact, they're also different but the affection of it to it is also there negatively.

Natural gas burns cleanly at least but its a fair point that most electric production is via normal carbon based fuels.   Most of China runs off coal powered electric which has ruined the climate in many cities to the point of lower life spans.   That is all true but I still would argue electric cars will continue to increase as a trend and it could be linked to the source of power as mentioned.
  A large factor with renewables of any kind is they dont tend to produce on demand. Solar is tied to the daylight, wind is weather based, hydro power also can be weather based.   All renewables have improved greatly in efficiency and batteries also are advancing, at what point is it useful beyond the basic idea of being an alternative.  I think electric cars are likely to success in line with something basic like Solar efficiency.  If we take the giant gains made in solar power efficiency if the same were true of electric cars, we can be certain they will be a large percentage of transport in future.
    Not everything beyond the horizon is clear but if solar gains are a trend and can relate to the usage of that power, we see that trend continue is a fair conclusion.

you're so mistaken if you think electric cars aren't fast, they have potential to overtake current fastest petrol based engine, even tesla already prove that, moreover the reason many car enthusiasts are still staying with sport car that are based on petrol is because the sound, very niche but thats what seeking, they want the sound of engine, which of course if one is environmentally conscious enough they would disregard that sound for the sake of betterment of the environment.
I think in the future there will be many super car based on electric vehicle that coming up, the potential is there, it just needs good infrastructure first and also more advancement in the battery sector and it will be golden.
also there's reason why car manufacturer like BMW has slowly but sure developing their own electric vehicle technology because they know its the future, regardless of many things that still needs to be discussed.

I remember how people were used to buy small diesel cars because they were more economical than petrol, but in reality they never get that economy. The difference in consumption between, lets say 1.3-1.6l diesel and petrol is hardly noticeable. It might be only 1-2l per 100km. How many kilometers people cover in city traffic per year? 7-10k? The difference is only around 100-200l per year, while the price of fuel is nearly the same right now. In money equivalent that is less than 400 EUR per year, while new diesel cars cost 2-5k more than petrol. So by the time that economy appears, people already sell the car. With EV, the price is often higher than a diesel. So by the time EV owner starts to get that economy, imo he will be forces to do some maintenance with battery. Which makes me think that this whole tricks isnt about money, but about ecology, which is a huge topic of discussion also.

It could be reality in some parts of the world but not all part. Like some African countries that lack technology advancement. African countries that produces crude oil will find it hard to accept such innovation or even ban inportation of such product, because they think the crude becomes useless to them. Were as it has been there source of lively hood and the wealth of the nation.

In my country youths have invented fueles generator, power supply with crude oil and many others, but they see it as a threat to there imported generator. And never sponsors them in any way. Curruption in Africa is the problem behind the the reason I said, it Will be reality is some parts of the world but not all.

Yes, I also remember the times when there was a trend to buy diesel cars, under the idea “a kilometer is cheaper.” And there really was very little benefit. The second reason why they were taken was “they are more reliable and cheaper to maintain.”
But if he’s talking about a mid-priced electric car and a gasoline car, then the difference is more noticeable. You can simply calculate, for example, the annual savings. It is simple, for example, the daily average mileage - let it be 50 km. We count how many kilometers per year: 50*365 = 18,250 km/year. We take the price of gasoline per 100 km and the cost of charging per 100 km and get savings.
Battery maintenance - I agree, costs money, and for example for Tests it is not at all small. But if this is a middle-class car and it has a properly designed battery cooling system, then with such a mileage the issue of maintenance/replacement will not arise very soon. On the other hand, a classic car also has routine maintenance, as well as replacement of brake pads, oil seals, .... In a word, everything must be counted, but counted in comparable cars.

RS in 2009, friends who bought a Mercedes SL550, on order in Germany, came to Ukraine and were “a little surprised” that the navigation system did not have local adaptation. Let's go to the official service... The price for solving the problem is 4500 Euro :) Just for a new firmware of a different language package... and you're talking about the battery :)

Small diesels suck. I remember Kia was making 1.1 CRDI engine for their small cars that had 75KM. Honestly, who would buy something like this?
Moms were using cars like that to take children to school and not knowing why the engine is choking due to too much carbon buildup. Diesels need to burn these buildups on longer trips or they'll slowly destroy themselves. Also, diesel cars burn more fuel when they're cold so driving short distances is not going to make you save money.

The earth is ours and ours alone to habit, of which it is our duty to help protect it at all cost in other to make it conducive for us and our next generations yet unborn. So I'm very much happy with U.K move to help eradicate carbon emission into the atmosphere that have been proven to be harmful to our environment, which Elon Musk is already taking the lead role by producing electric cars who function wholly with the use of electricity. So for me, I think having a zero carbon emission vehicles is very possible before the year 2035 as projected, because not only will it be less harmful to our environment, but it will also be more convenient and more cheaper to operate due to the constant availability of electricity.

I think the first step to switching from regular petrol cars to EV would take more than 10 years, as we first need to make changes in human minds and their vision of EV. A lot of people think that the only advantage of EV is that they pollute less than petrol or diesel. But many people still afraid of battery maintenance. They dont know how much it will cost, but a lot of people still are scared of used EV or hybrid cars. That is just a fact, many would not buy EV or hybrid cars because battery replacement cost "like 1/2 or 1/3" of a car.

Absolutely agree with you. Paradigm shifts and global technology shifts, in the mass market, take decades.

And there are a lot of nuances, from economic nuances to mental perception. Do you know how long the world has been moving away from horse-drawn vehicles to automobiles? And there are still countries and regions that use horse-drawn carts, buffalo in the fields....
I am absolutely sure that mass transition will be limited to some countries with high standard of living, developed infrastructure, population living in the "future" (including concern about future ecology).

So the conversation is more about mass trend than about mass transition :)

Zero-emission cars by 2035
The net zero goal is also referred to as carbon neutrality. State in which a country's emissions are compensated by the absorption and removal of greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. Absorption of emissions can be increased by creating more carbon sinks, such as forests. If the absorption and removal exceed the actual emissions, it is even possible for a country to have negative emissions (e.g., Bhutan). Global carbon neutrality is the only way to achieve the Paris Agreement target. So the banning of petrol and diesel cars by 2035 is a welcome approach, and we will wait and see if it becomes a dream or reality.

To bad every single trend has an end. I dont know what really gonna force people to stop producing and using petrol/diesel cars. What is the worlds oil supply? Is the amount of oil that still can be gained calculated? Lack of oil is the only reason why people would switch to EV cars. Imo, many still consider EV as an expensive toy than a transport for daily usage and all needs. Possibilities that EV offer are still limited.

You've voiced a valid point - one of the criteria for reducing the production and consumption of internal combustion engine vehicles is to reduce and/or make oil production more expensive. Fossil resources, as we know, are not infinite. To be more precise - there are not so many economically feasible deposits of them, for example, there are forecasts that they will be exhausted in about 50 years. Then there will remain either already explored but difficult to extract deposits, or it will be necessary to invest huge amounts of money in the search and development of new fields. In 50 years, I am almost certain that the world will start producing orders of magnitude more electricity (e.g. thermonuclear cold fusion), plus much more efficient energy storage systems (batteries) will be used on a mass scale. And if a battery with the volume of a classic gas tank will store energy for 3000 km, and the cost of 100 km will be equal to 1 dollar, then you will not care about the internal combustion engine.

LOL.. do you really believe that the governments around the world will be able to ban diesel-gasoline vehicles by 2035? What about the vehicles that are being manufactured right now? Are you going to say that these vehicles will be allowed on the road for only 11 years from now? These targets are very much unrealistic. Governments must explore more realistic options. A large part of the net carbon emissions results from the destruction of tropical rainforests, especially in countries such as Brazil, Indonesia and Congo. Slowing down this is more easier when compared to imposing a ban on gasoline vehicles.

That really is a tricky question. Most of the pollution is generated among busy city streets (traffic jams and exhausts). But that has little to do with petrol or diesel cars, as this is imho a problem of bad, or better say wrong, road management. Have you heard that Germany has already banned petrol/diesel cars in some cities? That is what article names say, but in reality they just closed some streets for old cars (cars that dont have EURO5 or news exhausts standards). Imo, it is impossible to ban petrol/diesel cars, but it is possible to decrease their production.

It's silly to talk about all countries....  Countries with predominantly poor populations, technologically backward countries, countries with totalitarian regimes - as a rule, they are also technologically backward or they are not interested in ecology and the environment - will definitely not move and will not invest in the development of infrastructure for electric cars. Therefore, the stated trends are for highly developed, progressive countries with a high standard of living and high environmental standards.

PS The example of deforestation is not correct. The fact is that even if you stop logging altogether, but do not reduce emissions, there will be no result. This is the "treat the manifestations, not the essence of the problem" approach.

And for information - 2 ratings.
By sources of carbon dioxide generation:
Energy 73.2%
Livestock, farming and forestry 18.4%
Industry 5.2%
Garbage 3.2%

5 countries that produce the most carbon dioxide:
China 13.5%
USA 5.7%
EU 4.1%
India 3.6%
Russia 3.1%

Carbon emissions must be tackled at all levels. It is necessary to abandon cars with gasoline and diesel engines, because this is the call of the times. The climate on our planet is changing for the worse every year. If by 2035 there is still a need to temporarily use such engines, the plans will be adjusted. It's not a problem. The main thing is to get rid of them step by step. In any case, the refusal of which cars will occur unevenly in different countries due to a host of objective and subjective reasons. But we need to move in this direction in any case.

The problem is also that many people think the climate change issue is "it will be sometime in many decades" and "it won't affect me". But they don't realize that even if they stop all internal combustion engines at one moment, the problem will not be solved, because it has a huge "inertia" and even irreversible processes. When the majority of the population and producers realize this, and "money today will be loved less than grandchildren in the future", then there will be a qualitative change in the situation. Before that, it is difficult to count on global, systemic changes. Although the car industry is good - they set the trend and minimize the use of fuel by their products

I don't think it will take time to implement such a far-reaching plan until 2035. Electric battery powered vehicles are common nowadays so we feel that even in our country five or ten years from now no oil powered vehicles will be found. However, even if there are no oil-powered vehicles, many problems will be faced, especially light vehicles will run on electric or some other battery, but heavy long-distance vehicles will have to run on diesel. Moreover, if all the vehicles have electric powered devices, then in terms of our country, there will be a huge pressure on the electricity. Currently in our country, the government does not have importance on electric vehicles, but if solar system vehicles are introduced, the importance of the government will surely increase.

While it is encouraging to see electric vehicles on the road, some nations may find that the cost of certain materials has increased. Currently, many nations struggle due to the high cost of petrol and diesel, so our next concern is whether or not these nations can afford electric vehicles. I don't mean to imply that it won't be nice to have one, but everything has advantages and disadvantages. Some people cannot afford electric vehicles, let alone cars, and no matter how they are made, many people will not be able to afford them because I think electric cars will be much more expensive than gasoline-powered cars from the outset.

It is not possible to say what other countries will do but banning petrol/diesel vehicles in my Bangladesh will not be possible at all. We are always plagued by the terrible curse of loadshedding, so if we have to find alternative vehicles to petrol or diesel, there will be pressure on electricity which our country Bangladesh cannot control, as a result mill factories will close down. So it is not at all possible to discover or import any alternative vehicle to petrol in Bangladesh.

The real question is: is it really possible for that to happen in the future? For me, the answer is yes; we just don't know what year that will happen. So, that means we are not sure if that will happen in the year 2035.

Now, the question is: what are the possible alternatives to replacing petrol or diesel when those are gone? Some of what I know are the following: biofuels, synthetic fuels, electricity, and advanced battery technologies. There are others that I will not mention; I will just give the link.

Other alternative replacements for diesel or petrol in the future. (https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/)

   With the way the world moves, in years to come, there'll be crucial changes as to how the world is viewed. Innovations emanate everyday and they make for the world's transformation. Electric vehicles usage won't be a bad idea either to the wealthy or less wealthy nations, yes at first it may seem challenging trying to make the switch but months to years after, there'd be this balance in the settings and the advantageous effect would be seen.
   Use of electric vehicles will help the economy and make movement lot more easier, in terms of crude marketing and all and the glitch that may be encountered would be the set up of the chargers, the cost effectiveness and manpower but I believe it's one good innovation that's very much likely to exist in years to come and the less wealthy nations won't hesitate in being a part of it. We already seeing it take effect soon the use of gas driven vehicles will ceased to exist. The introduction of electric cars will help reduce the air pollution we are currently facing thereby improving the global warming.

Even in developed nations such as the US and EU, less than 10% of the vehicles are electricity-driven. In the third world nations, the proportion is much lower. Given this, even by 2035 I don't think that a large fraction of the vehicles will be EV even in the developed nations. Bangladesh is a relatively poor country, and I am not sure whether the population there can afford the EVs on a grand scale. Current technology hasn't advanced enough to make the prices of EVs on par with gasoline and diesel driven vehicles.

It is possible to introduce electric driving cars in countries like UK and USA and they can achieve 70% of them by 2035 but in a poor country like my country Bangladesh it is impossible to increase electric driving cars by 10%. Here if we reduce the pressure on fuel oil and emphasize on electric power then there will be so much pressure on our power plant where we are thermal power plant.If there is a huge impact on the thermal power plant, then the forest resources of our country, especially the Sundarbans, and various important forest areas will be destroyed and there will be so much pressure on foreign imported coal that we cannot estimate. In poor countries like our country, electric driving cars are activated and diesel petrol dependent cars are stopped Not possible at all.

I have been watching the electric car market for a long time. What I can tell you is:
- In 2023, electric cars are being mass produced by almost all brands. From frankly budget to premium. China in general by the end of the year showed a lot of models with very low prices (of course conditionally low, compared to the average electric car market) and very nice characteristics. Taking into account that this will be a mass product and will enter other markets - other carmakers in the middle segment will be EXPECTED to reduce the prices of their models as well.
- Regarding trucks. As far as I know, new alternative technologies have not bypassed this segment either. There are electric and hydrogen-fueled tractors. And this segment of transportation is also looking towards alternative energy.
I'm not ready to say about heavy construction transport, but companies involved in transportation, or forced to constantly deliver goods (e.g. post operators, chain stores and their distribution networks), also do not want to increase the cost of goods and services due to fluctuations in the cost of oil, and for them alternative systems are EXPENSIVE.

Yes, I agree with you. The future of electric cars is very bright .There will be no pollution due to cars. Now in our environment,there is almost 50 percent pollution is due to automobiles that are working on road . These are thinning the ozone layer that is protective layer in atmosphere. That is big step of Elon Musk to Indroduce electric Cars. Electric Cars will decrease pollution in our environment and there will be less diseases due to pollution.But people should use public transport for long run.People should be knowledgeable about environment and in every  school ,there should be subject for awarenesses to protect our environment from pollution.

The future of electric cars and electric bicycles has developed rapidly among society, all elements of society expect more types and designs of electric cars and bicycles to be released on the market, they hope that the implementation of fuel cars will soon be replaced by electric cars and they also expect the government to provide electric car charging facilities at various points so that the government will support a new era without pollution to create a healthier environment.

It was the dream project for the many companies,but due to stock clearance to the market it was hard to get the petrol free vehicle.The carbon emissions was the huge phenomenon in the environmental pollution.The government had take many steps to reduce the carbon emissions of coal to the environment by the LPG gas,this reduced the wood usage for the food preparation.The government also increased the engine in the vehicle and in bike it was now BS6 to reduce the emissions.But this was seems the myth,because the electric vehicle will be the only solution to reduce the emission from the vehicle.


Many companies had started the production of the electric vehicle,but due to the less charging station.Many people was not ready to buy the electric vehicle,this was the market for the petrol based vehicle.Even my friend recently brought the bike and refused to take the electric bike for the vehicle charging stations was low here.

For the environment it won't do much.
People turning vegetarian has a larger effect.
Anyway in the 3rd world gasoline will remain the main fuel for engines.
EV explode around here, their batteries can't stand the heat.  

"UN climate summit recognizes for the first time the need to divest from oil and gas
Participants at the COP28 conference in Dubai were able to agree a final deal calling for divestment from fossil fuels"

It doesn't mean stop producing oil tomorrow, it doesn't mean all transportation will be electric tomorrow.

But it does mean reducing dependence and oil production. Considering that most of the oil is used for fuel, this will be the main area for reducing consumption. Especially in this market (motor vehicles) there are already technologies that allow to do this.

Battery technology will continue to develop, in over a decade the gains will be quite substantial especially if you consider the potential market unfolding.  The whole growth sector is an attractive prospect to develop for.
  The reality however will be even if new cars are not to be petrol or diesel we will still just reuse the older vehicles until decades have passed, the signal this will occur is possibly from trucks already starting to do this.   Its far better to buy an older second hand truck then try to make the newer ones work perfectly for a higher cost.
   Eventually the technology will overwhelm the older designs but I think we are talking decades for all sizes of motors from motorcycles to giant truck and trains, it is a long term transitional movement.

In situations such as these, many nations will run out of ideas and business due to their reliance on oil. As a result, nations that produce oil ought to be considering the ongoing harm that fossil fuel-powered vehicles cause and searching for solutions for the future. This is how things should be done, and the push toward greener and electric vehicles is an excellent strategy.

however this doesn't stop oil production, it will undoubtedly have an impact on the market. If countries that rely on oil can find other ways to maintain economic growth, they will do so because they cannot continue to harm the environment through their operations.

In Venezuela and I'm pretty sure in other hot countries those batteries are the weakest link. They overheat and catch fire.
Just imagine sitting in a burning car and the fire brigade trying to extinguish it with water.

Nothing could be perfect in an instant on which development and further enhancement would really be definitely along the way on which it would really be just that normal that there would really be flaws about with this EV trend on which i dont see for it to be a bad thing if ever we do have that switch up but just like on what most people been saying on here is that i do really believe on the same thing on which
there would really be disadvantages too. When it comes to efficiency and no emission thing then hands down to that. People would really be that too mindful about when it comes to maintainance thing
on which it wont really come cheap for sure.

This is why i dont really believe that in 10+ years time on which these ICE cars would really that cease to exist. Why wont really be just saying that better have both with these things?
Fir sure petrol companies wont really be letting these things to happen.

That why the EU wants to stop this. They're actively trying to develop laws that will make it illegal for older cars to be repaired if there's an engine failure, to shorten lifespan of vehicles but this is a dumb idea and I'll tell you why. You buy a car and the engine fails after 3 years which happens sometimes in new "eco" cars with aluminum engine blocks and turbos. You paid $30k for a new car and it's scrap because you're not allowed to fix it. What about large machines and trucks? Most of them are diesel powered. Are we going to stop whole road transport now because they want to reduce emissions?

True I do wonder about performance in a desert from the current technology.   Also true is batteries now really dislike cold weather and suffer massively, so not only must over heating be countered and controlled but also we must actively warm up the batteries from the extreme cold present in many countries for at least half of their working year.
  So thats the current liability of the present technology, Im suggesting we see a change in the lay of land due to immense change possible in technology.  My source would be the vast changes that have occurred in the past, all this tech wasnt even viable years ago we could power a watch reliably and that was considered very good at one point.    Wasnt even reliable back then.   
  Already true is that alternate tech exists in battery, the chemistry that makes up batteries can be entirely different.  They no longer are vulnerable subject to explosions or epic failure patterns, future battery tech can be using something close to sea salt if I understood it right.  I will look for a good source on that as Im no chemist, Im just stating the possibility is there for sure.

That's why smart countries whose economies are based on selling resources (oil) have been investing huge sums in developing new energy production technologies for years. This is the difference between smart countries and not so smart countries. Smart countries are those who live for the future, not so smart countries are those who live for today and do not think about the future.

And one more news on the topic:
The German company e-Revolt offers a service for converting gasoline and diesel cars into electric vehicles. The key feature of the transformation is that it takes only 8 hours to replace a gasoline or diesel engine with an electric powertrain.
The cost of adaptation is much lower than the decision to purchase a new car.

A fuel cell is better suited IMHO.
In Brazil there are shops doing that, unfortunately I don't have a link.

Hopefully a brazilian member could confirm that?


It'll be exported to a non EU country, then repaired and set to drive again.

This is already a matter of implementation. I will assume that a fuel cell engine, such as the Toyota Murai, is a difficult option for the DIY concept (do it yourself). Although it is possible that Toyota will produce such kits for “modification”. the solution with batteries and electric motors is much simpler, so it will “go to the masses” faster and more widely. And this is another additional “trump card” in the deck of cards for electric vehicles.

Now, if we take it globally, electric cars have 2 problems:
- high-capacity, fast-charging, affordable batteries
- a source of cheap, affordable electricity.

And they are all being resolved... For example, I am very pleased with the news about the Thermonuclear Reactor launched on December 1 in Japan. Yes - experimental, but already a fully implemented solution.

It's starting to look more and more like wishful thinking, however the original target was set for 2030 which received a lot of backing. There has been a massive surge in uptake of electric cars, but they are still largely out of the price range of average earners. Until we see more trickle through into the second hand market, with cars that still have viable range on them, then it could even take another couple decades before they overtake diesel and petrol cars in being the majority on the road. Bans sound nice and may eventually become reality, but you'll find that governments often take these stances loudly while pushing them back again quietly, much closer to the target date.

I don't know how things are going in your country regarding sales of fuel cars, both diesel and petrol. But how surprised you will be when you see that most people in my country are competing to buy cars with diesel fuel, especially among young people.

Electric cars are also not yet a solution to the pollution caused by diesel or petrol cars. Electric cars can also cause environmental pollution because the battery manufactur buking process uses nickel, lithium and cobalt. So far both models are still considering their impact on the environment, but when it comes to efficiency perhaps electric cars will be far superior. Electric cars are also sold are still quite expensive and in my opinion the costs will be much more economical than normal cars.

Virtually any manufacturing leaves a "non environmentally friendly footprint". Including batteries, which I agree with. But I would add - today's batteries. But here progress and the situation does not stand still, and today there is active work on the search for new materials with new properties for the development of new generation batteries with better characteristics, including those that do not use the above-mentioned chemical elements. The second nuance - it is difficult to compare the harm and threat from global warming caused by the huge amount of emissions from internal combustion engines with the harm from the extraction and use of these metals. It is necessary to understand one thing - we live at the beginning of the era of electric energy in the automotive industry. I am sure that in 5-10 years, if we come back to this topic here, we will be very interested in discussing the changes in this short period of time :).

First steam engines were introduced somewhere in 16th century, first petrol engine in end of 19th century if we talk about car engines, but first electric motor was introduced in 18th century. The progress goes faster each year, so DrBeer could be correct, that in 10 years we will be smiling when we gonna read our replies here. Electric engines appeared more or less at the same age we got petrol engines. However they were low power and battery did not last long. However, is it already clear what resource modern electric engine has? We all hear about horse power, 0-100 acceleration and etc. What about the engine in general? Can it run for 200-500 thousands kilometers without major break?

It is achievable. This is called Planning, they have considered lots of factors and put in motions processes, structures and legislations to achieving this come 2035. Future of vehicles is obviously electrical as it's advantages in this climatic change era is enormous and prudent.

That's a difficult to follow timeframe because gentrification is expensive, it will replace thousands of industries that have been in operation for 100+ years so the change will definitely meet some resistance from those old industries that are going to be affected. I mean look at the whaling industry, when the demand for whale oil plummeted because of electricity, a lot of industry was affected then it's going to be the same for the current automotive industry. I wouldn't say that it's a dream though because progress is going to happen no matter what and I just believe that it's not going to be in the year 2035 that we're going to see that from ever happening.

The reality is that if humanity wants to survive the drastic ongoing climate change, then gasoline and diesel engines must be abandoned decisively and quickly. This must happen despite economic problems and losses. If this is not done, then there will be even more losses in the future. In some regions the planet will become unsuitable for human habitation. Natural disasters will intensify throughout the planet, which we can already observe. Therefore, where carbon dioxide emissions occur, the fight must be tough and uncompromising. For this reason, old cars with petrol and diesel engines should be disposed of as quickly as possible.

Thanks for the encouragement :)
Yes, electric motors and even electric cars have been around for a long time. But they appeared "in the wrong place and at the wrong time". At that time, the development of technology, chemistry, and other areas of science and economics did not allow the electric car to be used effectively. The internal combustion engine as a device is not very complex, and the production and accumulation of fuel is a rather primitive process, which was already well practiced in the 19th and 20th centuries.
Nowadays the technologies and element base are quite different, both for electricity generation, its transmission and accumulation (batteries, super capacitors), as well as the quality and efficiency of electric motors. Electric motors have come a long way since the advent of streetcars, subways and trolleybuses (current supply through carrier channels), and today have reached a high level of quality, production and reliability. This means that today it is possible to use them instead of internal combustion engines.

There is some truth to that because we live amidst a tendency among people who want to live more practically and easily, so they don't really care about costs. The automotive industry continues to make strides in creating a new generation of environmentally friendly cars and we are even at a state of technological sophistication where people no longer need to drive because cars use sensor commands to run them. Even though the market is not big and not yet common, I am sure we will see the development of the automotive industry continue to develop with new ideas offered by its products.

In the next five or ten years we will see how the process of technological development in the automotive sector will continue to develop. When we return to this post there will probably be many other debates that we will discuss with each other. Losses and threats will continue to exist in any sector, including the process of developing electric cars, because there are levels of weaknesses and strengths that place them in certain problems.

Industrial development is indeed expected, but in my opinion this is also motivated by the idea of ​​changing society's tendency to be less dependent on the use of oil (gasoline or diesel). The political and economic situation between western and Arab countries is increasingly heated and oil prices are never stable, so this idea may be part of the government's plan to no longer depend on its oil supply countries.

I don't know, I didn't think much about it, but maybe what I said was one of the reasons behind the idea. Additionally, the government will probably tell us indirectly that bitcoin mining saves more energy than the amount of electricity used by cars.

Not quite sure if today is the proper word to use, but in nearest future sounds more realistic. We have discussed here several points, why buyer would choose petrol/diesel car over EV. People are unsure of battery resource, undeveloped (still in some regions and cities) charging point network and so on. Why it is gonna take 20+ years to go to EV? Because generation must update. While we have majority of those who says "back in my days", or "me and my old VW Passat" kind of stories, we wont be having much EV. An example, 20-30 years ago kids were spending most of time outside, now they are in gadgets. In 20+ years they will be those who choose to swipe, press button, order online, use app and etc (I'm speaking figuratively), over taking greasy fuel pistol in hand.

Just today - electric cars are actively bought by motorists, as the first cars, as well as a replacement for previous ones with internal combustion engine.
And there are problems in this segment:
- For example, countries with a low standard of living and infrastructure development.  The internal combustion engine will be in demand there for many decades to come. It is cheap, primitive, easier to repair/replace. There are no special problems with fuel. Plus you can always get it in jerry cans :))
- battery capacity and charging time. This is a solution in the near future.
- And yes I agree - the mentality of consumers must change globally, and this is a matter of at least 1-2 generations.

For me this will surely be implemented by first world countries like EU because adoption in electric vehicles even reached the third world countries like mine. The demand of electric vehicles here in my country is quiet increasing and the government also started to adopt this kind of technology to modernize the aging jeepneys. Though EV still is in the early stage of development and business but in the future it will revolutionize transportation all over the world.

The irony is that biggest jump in EV adoption is happening in some of the developing countries such as India and China, where EVs are competitively priced against the gasoline and diesel run vehicles. In the developed nations, EVs are a lot more costlier and therefore the adoption is much slower. And one additional factor that drives EV adoption is the fact that gasoline/diesel prices are much higher in countries such as India when compared to the United States. A lot of people prefer EVs as a countermeasure against rising fuel prices.

What a load of crap:
https://www.autocarpro.in/analysis-sales/ev-sales-soar-to-139000-units-in-october-and-123-million-in-first-10-months-of-2023-117640


Norway alone beats India in terms of electric car registrations:
https://www.electromaps.com/en/blog/electric-car-sales-third-quarter-2023-europe

Also, in the normal world, a scooter is not a car!

Some developed countries will continue to evolve because expecting oil imports from other countries is quite unstable for the country's economic process, especially if the oil producing country is experiencing high geopolitics so that the export process will be disrupted and can cause chaos. Low costs usually have an impact on the other side and whether electric cars can be a solution to the problem of oil or diesel fueled cars requires study because sometimes what is conveyed in the media does not happen as in reality.

Another fact is that bitcoin mining is much more energy efficient and does not cause global warming compared to the more energy that would be used in electric cars, whether renewable energy or not. However, the government is actually trying to pose a threat to bitcoin mining, which is actually much more environmentally friendly.

At first I thought electric vehicles would not have such a negative impact. However, after you explained a little about battery problems, I think battery problems such as durability and environmental impacts in production also need to be considered. Is there a best way or solution to this problem?

It goes without saying - progressive ideas are first implemented by the most progressive and most developed countries. At least for the reason that their technological level allows to realize it. Then these solutions will be replicated in countries less progressive and less ready to change, through adapted solutions. But this process may take a long time, I assume that for some countries, the penetration of electric cars may take tens of years....

On the time that charging stations is really that globally deployed or something we shall say that in ever 100 or 200 miles on which there's a charging station then this might really be that having that consideration
but whether we do like it or not ICE cars would really be still existing no matter what. It is really just that hard to imagine that they would really be that outphased in the near future on which it would really be just that normal that there might be some switch up or really just that equal when it come to relevance and its existence. Now into this current year on which EV sales are really that increasing which does mean that
there's a significant recognition of it and this is something which is really that normal but dont expect for that full switch.

We cant really say that it is a dream on which we've seen that there's a significant rise in speaking about numbers on which means that there's really indeed that a recognition
but this is something that we cant tell and make some conclusions that we are really that leading to full scale switch which neither it could happen or not, no one knows the future.

This was already vastly improved in just 10 years.   The biggest limitation I can think of is that getting close to 0% or 100% is damaging currently to the long term health.  Hence it should be avoided in the full use of a battery but that also means EV is more limited then the specs would suggest vs long range capabilities of oil based fuel vehicles.   However in time  Im confident the advances of the last decade will occur again  in future and we will see better batteries but also variation in their capabilities perhaps future batteries wont suffer the memory effect quite so much, faster recharge would be a big charge etc.  Its for certain that solar panels are improving so also EV is continuing to benefit from that advancement imo.
  Biggest challenge to EV is ironically not the product itself but the infrastructure surrounding it, the ancient spread of electric wires across a country can be a problem.  If its possible to fix, that fix could take a decade anyway.

To shift people's habits from using oil cars to electric cars will take several decades because the infrastructure in many countries is still different, just imagine in countries like India, they have high levels of population density and also severe levels of traffic jams, this makes the use of electric cars is ineffective. while we are still early in the development of electric cars, there are many reports of expensive maintenance costs and charging stations that are difficult to find.
However, if I was asked to choose between a petrol car and an electric car, I would choose an electric car, I believe it is the best choice to reduce carbon emissions which have spread throughout the earth's atmosphere.

I think the lower cost of the electric cars would be based on the combustible and the electrical powering technological systems in the sense that electrical powers would be more affordable, saves exhausting energies (economical power) and more reliable than that of the diesels a s the petrols but purchasing of the electrical cars
in the first place  would be more expensive than that of the combustible powering systems. Hence a more advantages of the electric car to the Petro and diesel engines technologies would be that the electrical car would be lesser expensive to maintenance and service than the diesel and fuel due to the emissions of the lubricational engine parts.

The adoption of the technology is possible to come a reality because the government had already signed it a law and has already set some picnics amongst its masses but giving a predictive time to achieve this is uncertain but believes the Europeans would do its best to to meet up with the targeted in a closest time.

Technology is improving tremendously and people are now thinking about the world in a new way because of the improvement in technology. Before the launch of electric car or electric bike in the market, we never imagined that we can drive a car or bike only with the help of electricity instead of petrol or diesel. Tesla has become a very popular company in developed countries like America and Tesla's electric cars have become very popular. If an electric car can be purchased with a relatively high amount of money, then our fuel costs will be much lower later on, and if the fuel costs are reduced, there will be large annual savings. By 2035, the use of diesel and petrol is expected to decrease, though not completely.

Too bad they are getting rid of diesels. Mine are around 75% efficient, nowadays.

It goes without saying - the transition to electric vehicles is a transition to a new technological level, which means it requires serious preparation, from the mental perception of the technology to the infrastructure. But exactly the same "adaptation" to the transition to internal combustion engines - mass refining of oil into gasoline/diesel, construction of fuel storage and delivery systems, fueling stations,.... It is all time and it will not be solved in a month or a year or 5 years. Once again I remind you - plus there is a huge gap in the standard of living in different countries, which also requires changes....

The actualization of this might be possible in the developed word but I don't see it happening in many African countries, so many thing are needed to be put in place for this to come to reality, I remember electric cars, up till this moment there is ongoing modification on the battery side, so actualizing this need the totally encouragement and direct involvement of the government if not, nothing will be achieved, to do away with this carbon monoxide which is a dangerous, the manufactures will have to do away with engines so that this will take effect and this is done green house effect will take a new tune, but let's be sincere house is this possible when giant car manufacturing company that's been owned by most influential people in the society still exist unless they will have to turn all there cars to carbonless cars.

   With the way the world moves, in years to come, there'll be crucial changes as to how the world is viewed. Innovations emanate everyday and they make for the world's transformation. Electric vehicles usage won't be a bad idea either to the wealthy or less wealthy nations, yes at first it may seem challenging trying to make the switch but months to years after, there'd be this balance in the settings and the advantageous effect would be seen. One of the plenty benefits of going electric is that the air pollution would greater be reduced due to less carbon emissions from cars.
    Use of electric vehicles will help the economy and make movement lot more easier, in terms of crude marketing and all and the glitch that may be encountered would be the set up of the chargers, the cost effectiveness and manpower but I believe it's one good innovation that's very much likely to exist in years to come and the less wealthy nations won't hesitate in being a part of it.

Scooters are big in NYC more than 100,000 of them. They get around well on crowded streets many restaurants deliver with them.

BTW I think the USA will never go fully electric maybe ⅓ will be hybrid-and ⅔ electric.

I spent today with my dementia suffering bro-in-law.

He does not have a charger and is not going to get one.

Most electric cars can not do the round trip to my home and his. Charging today publicly on christmas would be hard to do.

I would need to drive a slower way and top off on the way up and on the way back.

Adding 90 minutes to a hard trip in the first place.

I need a 500 mile car to be able to make the trip with no issues.

i doubt the less wealthy nations will take part in this transition. all the more with the wealthy nations like the OPEC countries in which the OIL is their business. they are not going to kill their own economy for this EV. they know people need oil, did you know that tires and all other things we use today come from natural gas?

this i think is even among the reasons why they are at war now. because OPEC countries sees that sooner the imposing of the ESG on them will make them poor.
and the poor countries who want to build factories to manufacture goods to make the lives of their people better, they can't do that anymore without oil and gas.
i don't think batteries can sustain assembly lines operating 12 hours a day. this transition if ever happens will not be done in 10 years.

right now our electricity is produced by burning gas coming from Russia and Saudi. our cards are running by consuming fuel or gas. our stoves uses LPG which comes from gas.  

It depends on a country where you at but this is a very inevitable adoption that most countries will do. As long as where the world is heading, most of the countries have to adapt from the situation.

But I think that there will still be countries that are dominant with diesel cars that shall retain the supply of their cars and will still keep up with it because there's a market of it on their country.

We will see on how these changes will take effect when majority of the rich countries are already into EVs.

Naturally, I think it should be left to a matter of preference. It seems to me that it is impossible for all vehicles to become electric at the moment, that is, it is a dream, but the majority of electric vehicles may be in use. Not every country will comply with this law, and even if such a law is passed. They say that the batteries of electric vehicles will last more than 20 years. We are just at the beginning. Will these batteries be as durable as they say? If all production switches to electric vehicles, there will also be a battery shortage.

That's true, there will be more countries that will on it if they've got a lot of roads that are set for these EVs but if not, diesel/unleaded cars will remain.

Not all of them are durable. I've heard people had troubles with their batteries and it will cost them almost a brand new tesla to replace the battery alone.

Yes the costs of running an electric car are lower, how about the cost of acquiring an electric car? ;D Anyways, I think that the mission of no diesel cars by 2035 is a dream. Not just any dream but a dream that should be woken up from. 2035 is just like a decade from now and 100% electric cars? The time frame is too short for that. Time really flies and 11 years isn’t as far as it seems. Maybe the percentage of fuel powered cars diesel powered cars can cut down to 50% but 100% electric cars by 2035 (even 2040) is nothing but a wish.

the government kept on giving incentives for those that buys an electric car it seemed the youngsters like the gen Z are usually favour electric cars because they consider it to be futuristic and techy, the cost of electric car is indeed higher right now and that is a fair argument even worst, changing battery also gonna cost really high but technology advance, the electric car technology aren't just fixated on one thing. maybe in the future we might encounter newer battery technology that could make charging faster and also could contain more electric power we don't know, right now some countries even already changing their public commute like buses using electric bus that don't require fuel, just charge overnight and its ready for commuting in the next days.
I think the vision of 2045 100% electric cars might be unrealistic but 2045 with 90% electric cars might be realistic, after all diesel car known to be so polluting that many country already starting to ban it.
im all in for the betterment of the worlds eliminating prominent source of pollution.

I believe that currently electric power supply in most underdeveloped countries can only be described as epileptic, so if developed countries in Europe were to move forward from petrol vehicles to electric vehicles, then these countries will not measure up to use the electric vehicles. Unless if the vehicle manufacturers will perhaps invest in the electricity power sectors of these backward countries to sale their products, then It'll be a blessing to them because they'll also benefit the electricity in their homes.

I believe that if the European countries are able to accomplish their 'no petrol or diesel car sales by 2035', then other countries of the world will emulate them and we'll see a new ora of zero smoke emission. It might take more than 2035 to accomplish, but definitely it'll happen, with modern technology anything is possible, except bringing the dead back to life. The move will surely affect crude oil producing countries negativity.

when the leaders of our world decided to adopt cars running on gasoline, they made gas field owners wealthy such as Rockefeller. with electric car adoption, they will make Elon Musk wealthier but right now, it's China that is winning the electric car technology, this is something that they will not like in this development.

if they decide on hydrogen-powered cars, these cars will just need water and the extractor of hydrogen from the water to keep running. no one will however get rich. maybe this is the way to go to be fair and manufacturing countries will only compete on whose technology is better.

But hydrogen based type of car or simply being run with water then it would really make those industries die right away. It doesnt matter on who be the ones who get rich but for those people who had sit up in the top of the chain or into those industries would really be thriving out and do their very best on trying out to sustain or make it exist and useful for a very long time. Doesnt matter on whose personality or country would really benefit out as long it would be able to being used by humanity then this is what matter the most.

Try to look into this, which is the a hydrogen fueled car.
https://www.facebook.com/snngpage/videos/a-filipino-inventor-developed-the-first-water-fuelled-car/228276247306253/

So where he is now? Why PH didnt really put up that funding on developing this thing even more?

I think the statement "when the leaders of our world decided to adopt cars running on gasoline" is wrong. the transition to internal combustion engines was caused by progress and industry requirements. And the fact that some of the "fastest" entered this market globally is due to their ability to navigate the market, the situation, and what to hide - connections and information.

But electricity has created a very competitive market, which you can now observe - Musk has started mass production of above-average cars, China produces a huge number of inexpensive, and recently even top cars, all carmakers have picked up the trend and are also producing their electric cars. So there is no monopoly in this field, there are those who have entered earlier and those who are in more comfortable conditions in terms of resources.

Regarding hydrogen cars - it is almost an ideal solution, but technologically, it is still available to a small circle of manufacturers, plus it is not a cheap (today) solution. Perhaps there will be technologies that will make hydrogen plants as common as internal combustion engines, in which case I would favor it.

Haha. I do not see the difference between 90% and 100%. And even if you bring it down to 80% or 70%, it still may be unrealistic. Many people can’t even afford these normal petrol powered cars, and let’s say they save for years to get one and then you tell them to rather buy electric cars? Where will they get the complete money from? Unless the government wants to give a good discount (though some people will still not buy it because of maintenance). Like you said, battery changing will be expensive because unlike petrol powered cars, the battery of an electric car is like the soul of the car. Who even knows how many battery that is used by an electric car.

Sorry to cut into your dialog, but the problem is that you are making an assessment from a "poor people" perspective. And for countries with low living standards and incomes of citizens - progress always comes with a huge delay, and they should not be taken into account when introducing new technologies. It sounds a bit frustrating, but that's the reality. We should look at developed countries, where people do not save up all their lives for a car, where there is a convenient and developed infrastructure. And it simply makes no sense to make a forecast for the consumption of high-tech products in frankly backward regions.

There is room for improvement with internal combustion and E Vs yet. Car companies get turbo charging wrong. Old airplanes did it right with the turbo adding momentum to the flywheel instead of sending extra air pressure through the engine. Energy going to the flywheel or a generator (for hybrids, to charge a battery pack) from the turbo can be more efficient because the compression ratio of the engine can be the same as a NA engine, which is higher. Other areas for improvement would be converting waste heat into electricity or motive force. We've come this far with internal combustion engines. Why throw away all that effort?

Anyways, people are missing out on a true breakthrough for diesel engines. I estimate it would save the world over a hundred trillion dollars in fuel costs per year! I'm here if anyone needs help on building the device? Just ask nicely...      

Is it from a poor people mentality? Be it as it may, how many percent of the world is rich? I know you may want to say the news/post isn’t about the world at large but Europe, but then, are all the countries in Europe rich? No. There are still countries that are struggling, there are still people who are trying so hard to eat daily. I’m not saying it isn’t possible that everyone will use electric cars, of course we’ll get there. But for that to happen by 2045? 11 years from now? that’s not something I think will happen.

One good news for all the EV fans is that the price of Lithium Carbonate has collapsed. By the end of 2022, price per ton was around ¥600,000 but now it has declined to ¥96,500. More and more lithium mines are coming online and this will ensure stable prices for the next few years. However I am still concerned at the slow progress in new innovations in battery technology. Most of the EVs have a range of 200-400 km with a single charge and this is a major drawback for them over gasoline or diesel driven vehicles.

Not mentality, but a real low standard of living. These are slightly different concepts.
And I'm not talking about rich countries, I'm talking about countries where a significant portion has an adequate income. To this I include approximately $3,000 in income per month for an adult member of the senya. Are these RICH people? These are people with NORMAL income, let's say middle class. And they can easily afford to buy a new car, for example, once every 5-10 years. This is fine. How normal it is to be able to buy your own apartment/house. We must evaluate opportunities not by the poorest example, but by average, good income. That is why I said - that in poor countries, with poor populations, innovations come very late

I don’t think that someone with $3,000 monthly salary can easily afford a car (BTW, we are talking of an electric car). The average salary in the EU for example is just around 2 times (from what I researched) of what you mentioned, but does everyone own cars? And we need to look at what type of cars they have too. You said it takes about 5-10 years, right? And what if people could just afford something cheap but now the law is saying that in just about 11 years, you can’t use fuel-powered cars, that is a short time because people have other responsibilities and they can just start saving to buy a car when someone of them even with that average money are only able to afford what they need. 

Oh the technicals, I need to learn more about them but what you are saying is giving me a little bit of idea on what's the correct one that should be done by the manufacturers themselves.

I think that they're just relying to the demand about EVs and the petrol diesel cars and that's why some manufacturers are transitioning from diesels to EVs because that's what they think is in demand.

      
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Oh the technicals, I need to learn more about them but what you are saying is giving me a little bit of idea on what's the correct one that should be done by the manufacturers themselves.

I think that they're just relying to the demand about EVs and the petrol diesel cars and that's why some manufacturers are transitioning from diesels to EVs because that's what they think is in demand.
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"Turbo Compound Piston Engines. Almost magic tech." is the name of the YouTube video that I watched on the subject. The diagram that I like is at 15:30 in the video. Enjoy...

Also https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5403404.0 is where you can learn how to build a very cheap fuel saver for diesel engines. I don't know how it works but it is awesome! The more of them you build the faster you get at it. Given some away as gifts, to neighbors and friends. Build time around 2 hours of easy work, for the first one.

Let's count a lot?
Let's take, for example, a model like the Volkswagen Id 4. The price of a new car is up to $30,000.
For a family of 2 people, with a total income of $5,000. Tell me, is it difficult for them to save, for example, 30% to buy a car? Plus, many cars are sold with installment payments - a down payment of 10 to 30%, and installments for 12-24 months. As for me, this is a completely acceptable purchase scheme.
Tell me, how much does a car of the same class with an internal combustion engine cost? And how do they buy them? Despite the fact that when we go out into the street, we see a huge number of completely new cars!

Firstly, be it reality or dream, for me I will miss these cars. I like shifting gears which are already missing in many Petrol cars and this is not only me but found out that there are many people with same thought.

Now, I belive EVs will help reducing environmental pollution and all but I also read a debate that to manufacture the batteries the environment is getting affected very badly. A huge amount of CO2 is being released. So, if this is the case I doubt if this is even helping apart from car running cost saving.

For me when I read about Ethanol cars, I liked this technology as already e20 fuel is being distributed in India and it does releases less polluted fumes. They also do have a con related to farming where fertilizers used are synthetic and causing harm to the soil and ground water.

In conclusion, stopping the sale of petrol/disel cars used as a personal vehicle or a cab might be possible with any of these alternatives and be it any they will impact the nature in some way. As of now, I think everybody in this World is just trying to innovate a way where less carbon is ommitted from the cars, so there is a chance that this might get extended. And stopping the sale of every vehicles including commercial trucks is only possible with great innnovation which will take some time. Bus are still fine, they are running but not every vehicle.

Maybe it is possible. And this initiative is very good. I think it should be implemented as soon as possible. This is the biggest initiative to reduce the level of CO2 gas. Our public life and climate are threatened due to excess CO2.  And electric cars will be cheaper than oil cars.  I hope the quality will be good too.  The demand for cars will only increase over time.  If the car runs on electricity, the electricity demand will also increase.  This will benefit the government.  Now it is not sure how many countries agree to this.

No doubt you know what you’re saying but it’s not that easy. It’s easier said than done. Don’t forget that the more you earn the more problems you have to solve and such is life. Oh, and do not forget they tax will be taken out from the income too. So consider such factors like other responsibilities because there’s no way someone will save all that money like they don’t have other cheaper needs and wants. I guess the installment payment settle it. As long as that works then truly, it’s feasible for people with a fair salary to gradually pay it off while owning their car.

now come up the problem where the electricity generated coming from if its from coal then its all the same, hopefully we gonna shift to renewable energy, as an individual we should also strive toward renewable energy ourselves, i've seen plenty of people using solar panel nowaday even the one released by tesla wonder if that sufficient for charging the car because if that does then it'd be awesome basically we pay big upfront but we don't need to sweat about paying for fuel later on.
though what should be of concern is the industry of transporting, it seemed that there's special needs required for electric car to fit in to the transporting industry because this industry also have a role in contributing to the excess CO2 if they could switch to electric vehicle that'd be awesome but we all know our technology isn't really there yet, we might give more battery for these trucks but we all know the charging time would require massive amount also the distance of transporting usually far surpass what a battery capable of.
really hoping that the world would strive towards the betterment of the future where fresh air is abundant and we could avoid climate change.

Everyone saw how activists protest against high co2, pollution, cheer for renewable enegry. How they sit on highways, block traffic and etc. From the success of their activity, depends the reality of EV or reduction of petrol/diesel production. What do you think about that? Is there logic in this? Or they will complain and protests also against EV in future?

I think you are right that it is mandatory to start using electric vehicles on public transportation in order to reduce air pollution. But there are still extraordinary obstacles to this method of use because it still requires sufficient time to get the power to be able to move it, and electrical power is still tied to the use of coal, which clearly also contributes to pollution. On the other hand, avoiding pollution is effective, but continuing to pollute is not. Apart from that, I agree that if there is a change in the use of power generation using solar energy panels, there will be very high efficiency, but the problem is that solar panels are still not optimal in their use because they are very expensive to do, apart from the fact that there is continuous innovation to be able to reduce costs. but I believe that there will indeed be significant changes in reducing air pollution with innovation that continues to be carried out for excellent development.

We can make a lot of debates about what kind of transport should turn electric first. Public transport, cars or commercial transport. Car - they create traffic jams, pollute more than public transport. For example public bus capacity is 50-70 persons. Those 50-70 persons are similar to 30-50 cars. 1 bus vs 30 cars. Who pollutes more? On the other hand we have a bus - it circles in the city 24/7. What is its annual mileage? 100k? 200k? While one car makes around 5k kilometers probably per year only in city area. And we have commercial transport - huge volume engines, usually diesel. That runs for tens and tens thousands kilometers. So which one is more dirty, which transport pollutes more and has to be replaced with electric engine ?

Sincerely, I do not know the side of which one you are but I understand that you are driving reasonable points. Some of your narration seems to support either of them but let me say that both have to be changed as they pollute, however, the private and small cars pollute more depending on the combustion engine we are talking about. If they are both petrol engines, then there are more cars and small vehicles on the road than buses and they can move several miles a day as private people have a whole lot of engagement in a day. For them to have hundreds of millions of them plying the road daily means that they are polluting more. The number of commercial and heavy vehicles is far lower than that. But we should think about combustion too. If it is a diesel engine against to a petrol comparison, the diesel engine will pollute more, still, by the number of vehicles, there is no way the private vehicles and the small ones will not populate more than the business and heavy duties due to the huge number them polluting the world daily.

Here in my country electric vehicles either public transport or private already started rolling out few years ago and the government even has plans to fully modernize public transport into an eco-friendly platforms but public transport groups wants an extension to further evaluate the feasibility study regarding the modernization.

That's right, I've also seen in my city area there have started to be private and public vehicles based on using electric power, but for electric-powered cars have never seen for the public, but only certain people have it and only private ownership for electric cars, but for two-wheeled vehicles there are already  using it for the public.

But at this time electric-powered vehicles are still rarely seen, perhaps because the price is still expensive and difficult to reach among the general public but however electric-powered vehicles must have a high selling price that is difficult to cover by the general public, because with today's vehicles that still use gasoline, there are still many people who cannot afford to own, so this possibility will be on the minds of many people.

Of course, receiving income generates payment of taxes, and owning a car generates new, systemic expenses - taxes, fuel, maintenance, parking, interior fragrance :)

But I don’t think that the car will be bought by those who do not understand that it also requires an increase in their costs. For example, I can conditionally buy a yacht, but I won’t, because I don’t objectively need it, although I adore the sea/ocean. And most importantly, I understand that a yacht is a significant expense. And provided that the yacht does not solve any of my real problems, but is guaranteed to create costs - that’s why I won’t buy it!
But an electric car is economically feasible for me - it will reduce my operating costs, and daily ones, because... costs for a conventional 100 km, gasoline engine and electric, differ several times.

What you say is the current reality. The main reason why electric vehicles still cannot be used en masse is that the price is still too high to be able to create these electric-based vehicles. must be necessary to provide space for recharging and repairs, which, of course, is currently limited, so there are still many who don't want to use it because there are limitations that can occur with these vehicles. So it's not surprising that there are still many countries that don't want to fully use electricity-based transportation as a mass vehicle for many people. But it is true that one day everyone will inevitably have to accept the fact that it must be used because of limited petroleum, which continues to run low, so there must be a replacement to avoid the crisis that will occur.

thats what any country should be striving out to be honest, using eco friendly means where there is any opportunity same thing with using EV for public transport it will save a ton from the carbon footprints produced by the conventional diesel public transporation, i think its time already that we should depend more on electricity since there are many ways to generate it using solar panel, wind turbine and so on not entirely depends on the old fossil energy.
but the thing with EV in private car sector that I think gonna be kinda problematic is that maybe the cost of the battery, there are rumour going around that the battery cost a ton and if not covered by warranty im sure many people wouldn't afford it easily.
so its one thing to give warranty to any EV right now more specifically for the battery replacement just in case.
otherwise people would be doubtful to jump into the trend of electric vehicle and would halt the growth of electric vehicle.

The wishes of the public transport group on this matter are actually quite clear. Because they may not want to experience difficulties when they want to make repairs when their vehicle is damaged and there must also be parties who can handle problems when they arise from vehicles that have been used for a long time.

Moreover, the public transportation group also does not know how long an electric vehicle can be used for public transportation, because if the duration of use is only short and requires them to keep changing vehicles every short duration, this could also cause losses in public transport itself. So that is still a question mark and the public transport group still wants expansion in order to evaluate it further so that all parties can use it evenly.

Manufacturers dont produce a lot of cars with small diesel engines. They arent that much profitable, nor buyers choose diesel for petrol if we talk about small engines. Dont forget EURO standards for modern engines. The amount of pollution they create is tiny. On the other hand we have public transport. When was the last time you saw buses of 2023-2024 year production. Usually public transport is 10-15 years old vehicles. With engines that "eat oil" and dead particle filters. Imho public transport should be first to replaced by electric engines, not cars.

Actually there's no problem about having some switch into full EV or whatever correlated type of vehicles as long the maintenance parts would really be that something that easy to be found or
its availability wont really be causing any pain in the ass on looking for these things and if it would really be that something cheaper but we do know and able to see that it is really that totally opposite
on what we are seeing on which it is really that hella lot more expensive comparing into those ICE vehicles on which it would really be just that understandable on where people would really be sticking into.
We do know that maintenance wise and cost then those traditional ICE would really be that best. Plus we dont have still that proper infrastructure in speaking about having those power stations
which we know that it is really that primarily needed.

Speaking about on what would happen in the future then this is something that remains always as a question. No one really knows on what would be the future looks like
on which things might really be that anticipated to happen might not be able to push through or it could happen.It would really matter on overall recognition
and acceptance.

That makes sense, it's possible that the components that are needed also have a high price value and this makes one unit of electric vehicle have a high selling price, so it's not strange if the price is high because as I said, that's probably the case. I think that in the future perhaps society will have to follow developments, because at the moment many people are forcing themselves to adapt to current developments.
but what is certain is that currently the high price value cannot be covered by all people, because there are still many people who have limited money, some even still have financial problems, so it is natural that they still use petrol vehicles,  but As current technological developments also lead them to be able to deal with what is happening, although perhaps some of them still maintain their habits, they must follow technological developments that may occur in the years to come.

Electric cars appeared on the world market relatively recently. Therefore, it is quite natural that their price is still quite high. But technology does not stand still. Quite often there are reports of the invention of more efficient batteries, which will significantly reduce the cost and operating costs of using electric cars.

This is approximately the same as what happens with the introduction of alternative energy sources. It has already been calculated that over the past ten years, costs for solar panels have decreased by 90 percent, and for wind generators by 70 percent.
It is quite expected that in the not very distant future, electric cars will be much more economically profitable to use than gasoline and diesel ones.

If we compare electric cars to other products with large batteries we can get a relative cost or efficiency to their operation.   There are camping type batteries to backup electric usually when outdoors but can be used anywhere your mains electric isnt reliably available.    We  can also refer to electric batteries used to store solar power, this is something used every day charged then discharged in line with the daily solar cycle vs human activity.   Most electric is used when its both cold and dark, people object to solar on that basis sometimes.
   If we weigh up power vs cost across multiple categorises then electric cars arent so expensive, not if we look at the base models and/or 2nd hand prices as a brand new car has a premium to it despite old cars lasting and being warranted to 100k miles or maybe 10 years of use.

Your government is already thinking about a long-term plan where it is possible that petrol and diesel will become increasingly difficult to obtain and could also be expensive, and indeed, air pollution will become increasingly uncontrollable.Of course, the plan to replace all public transportation with electric power [environmentally friendly] is a necessity and must be implemented immediately because development is also inevitable, nature needs to recover from carbon dioxide pollution, and it needs to be replaced with renewable energy.I think now the whole world is also thinking about continuing to update means of transportation with ones that are environmentally friendly and inevitable.

Absolutely right. If humanity wants to survive and at the same time preserve all life on our planet, economic gain can no longer be applied here. You need to act decisively and toughly. If earlier we believed that global climate change would be slow and that it would not affect us, then in recent years we have clearly seen that we were wrong. Climate change is happening very quickly. Scientists believe that next year the warm Gulf Stream, which washes European countries, may stop and then it will become sharply colder in Europe. But this is just the beginning. Then everything will cascade in geometric progression.

I see a lot of left winged ECO freaks in this thread who don't know what they're talking about, but repeat the points they heard on TV, like some kind of rules.


Electric cars are not eco friendly. Who do you think makes the batteries for your cars? I'll tell you, the country with the bigest CO2 emission in the world.


That's what they want you to think that the survival of the human race is up to you. It's not up to the Russians who are burning down whole cities, but up to you, driving your car to work. You have to cut emissions by 5% by switching to an expensive electric car. If a country like Germany or the UK goes 100% electric cars, it will decrease the global emissions by 0.1%. That's because for the UK their total share of CO2 is 1% and you can't switch off the whole industry, so cars all together will be maybe 10% of UK's emissions and 0.1% globally. At the same time to make up for that demand for batteries China will have to increase their emissions and their share is almost 30% so you won't help the world at all. All you will do is help corporations that make these electric cars and China that produces batteries and emissions will stay as they were. No, scratch that, they will increase, because while UK lowers that by 0.1% and China increases by 0.1%, Russia will burn a couple more villages and lose a few expensive aeroplanes in the process and the world will become warmer.

All the same, Russians are burning entire cities in Ukraine and, of course, they themselves are being burned by the Armed Forces of Ukraine and they are rotting in the fields of Ukraine, which also harms the environment and contributes to global warming.

  Last May, after six months of continuous fighting, the Russians captured the ruins of the small town of Bakhmut and in the process lost about 23,000 of their soldiers killed and about 80,000 wounded. Almost a year later, the Russians had their next victory: on February 17, they occupied the ruins of the town of Avdeevka. At the same time, the commander of the operational-strategic group of troops (OSGV) "Tavria" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Tarnavsky reported that during the four months of the active phase of the Avdeevka defensive operation (from October 10, 2023 to February 17, 2024) in the Avdeevka direction, the total losses of Russian troops amounted to: 47,186 people (killed and wounded), 364 tanks, 748 armored vehicles, 248 artillery systems and other weapons, including 5 downed aircraft.
https://war.gordonua.com/unichtozhili-rezerv-dlja-nastuplenija-tarnavskij-rasskazal-ob-obshchikh-poterjakh-rf-v-bojakh-za-avdeevku-1698176.html

Also, during the assaults on Avdeevka, which covers an area of 30 square kilometers and where about 30,000 people lived before the war, the Russians dropped about 500 tons of explosives on the city with controlled bombs alone. After the Ukrainian Armed Forces retreated to new fortified positions, the Russians shot civilians who came out to meet them. These are considered the “liberators” of the Russian-speaking population in Donbass.

Can you imagine how much heat was released every day from the explosions of thousands of mines, bombs and shells on just one sector of the front and from hundreds and thousands of burning armored vehicles?

Tell that to the oil companies and the Arab regions that have a ginormous oil reserves, they wouldn't like the idea that their oil won't be as valuable as they are right now, there's a reason why we're making a meme out of people that have invented an alternative fuel for their cars or just generally inventing something that will help humanity while helping the environment being killed or disappearing after their inventions. For me, it's still a dream, besides the statement that I've said, look at Tesla and other electric powered cars, they don't seem to be performing really well compared to gas guzzling cars, they're also not that looking good compared to those cars, what I mean by that is I'd rather have the '67 Impala than a Tesla because it looks much cooler.

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And you'd pay probably the same price for that Impala, if not higher because they can reach north of $40k. If we're talking Vietnam era cars I'm more of a Mustang Shelby fan, but wouldn't say no to a Camaro either. Combustion engine cars were beautiful and although electric engines are good with all the power, torque, low noise, but for them to succeed they'd need more efficient, lighter batteries and the companies would have to price them accordingly and stop trying to make people use electric cars by taxing them and creating no entry zones.



Exactly, that's what I'm trying to say. They both sides lost so many people, destroyed land, killed civilians, not to mention local fauna, lost equipment, released harmful smokes that polluted the air and at the same time idiots in Brussels think how to tax people whose cars don't meet Euro 6 standards.

While the amount of electric car sales is definitely going up, it does not seem like the close timeframes - like 2030 or even 2035 are going to be realistic for the most advanced economies to make a shift over. Not only because of the production level of these cars, but they massive amount of infrastructure that still need to be built out in order to properly support such a transition. While it is a noble goal, countries also need to consider how dirty it really is to extract the resources that produce these batteries and also how the electric grid will be powered long term, but this is somewhat alleviated by lots of renewables coming online. That being said, oil production also has a finite shelf life and as it starts to dwindle in future, those costs may play a major part in the transfer.

Has anyone monitored how (of if) electricity prices changed when electric EV became more affordable and available? If we take fuel prices, then they during last few years managed to increase almost twice, then the price dropped for 50%, and now its growing again (example, in 2021 diesel cost ~1.10 EUR, then it jumped to ~2,00 EUR, got back to ~1,40 EUR, and now it is around 1,70 EUR). About a year ago (I can measure it as a price stated in my electricity bill, so mine will be constant for next 4 years), the cost of one kW was about 10 cents. I know that some properties have market electricity price policy.

Long story short, does it become less profitable to charge EV than it was several years ago? Where the situation with price is going? I remember that in my childhood diesel cost twice less than petrol, now it is more expensive. Gas used to cost 1/5 of petrol price, now it is only 1/2 cheaper. Are we having the same situation with EV?

However, petrol/diesel is still needed by heavy vehicles in developing countries that have limited access to electricity supplies, especially mining vehicles or vehicles for projects in the middle of the forest, which are far from access to electricity. In particular, battery charging infrastructure and various devices related to electric vehicles are still expensive and this is why the adoption of EVs in the future is still hampered and the elimination of petrol/diesel by 2035 is just a dream.

Just a couple of days came across information about plans to develop a new "old" engine - water engine - by TOYOTA. Not a hydrogen engine, but a water engine. The benefits are enormous:
1. Technologically, it is an "extension" of the internal combustion engine scheme.
2. the fuel is water, yes it requires purification, but it is still widely available and has a low price.
3. absolutely ecological
4. Does not require global modernization of production.

There is nothing super unique in the development base - hydrogen-powered internal combustion engine, hydrogen is obtained by electrolysis from water.

Good luck developing that without the CIA or the oil barons killing the main inventor/engineer of the project because that technology is going to be a big threat to them with oil barons being hurt the most because their prime product will lose it's value in the market and their hoard of barrels of oil would be worth next to nothing, they might have some value still because not all will be using water as fuel anytime soon but it's peanuts compared to now and with CIA, they're friends with oil barons so they need to do their bidding to keep the USA in good terms with these oil barons. There's literally something unique with that system and unless you're an inventor too that can prove me wrong, I don't think it's right to discredit the impact that it will entail to the future.

There is no other way to say that there must be firmness in situations where uncontrolled climate change often occurs because humans cannot control themselves to be able to preserve nature well. So there must be firmness in maintaining all of that, and you are right that climate change is currently happening very quickly at any time. It seems like scientists are already worried about this. I think what you are saying will happen in the future when the temperature will change drastically, and it could be that European countries will be colder than usual and tropical countries will be hotter.
Precisely because it is still early days, at least there must be prevention as soon as possible so that fruiting can return to normal.

Hugeblack saw this coming! It was a vision to him and now it is a reality. Very soon petrol and other fractions of it will all be gone. To be sincere if am fucking rich to the extent i can afford my solars panel and inverter, buy my tesla car. I wont have anything to do with diesel or petrol. The rate at which government are manipulating the price of them is so annoying. And this is affecting countries with the natural resources.

This is what i do really have in mind on which it would really be impossible that there would really be no killing on this one if this one would be pushed through. We do know on how big oil/gas industry and how
many those billionaires are milking from it. Do we really think that they would really be just simply allowing such transition? Even EV's had already quite sometime into its existence but it didnt really that much
getting much more progress or getting that kind of popularity or something like that.  We dont know on what the future holds but we arent that blind that due to this severe pollution on which our mother earth
is really that suffering or having that damage. Its not really that bad on having that transition in between petrol/diesel cars to EV is really that hard.

Reality or dream? There's no way that we could really be able to tell on what would really be that the future holds or what would happen. This is why
if you do see that there's such transitions then human beings would really be just that adjusting into that.

I feel like EV is going to have the same faith as petrol cars with gas installation have. It was about economy on first place, and gas seemed to pollute atmosphere less than diesels or petrol. It was a trend. Now where have those gas cars gone? I rarely see advertisement about gas installation, rarely see such cars on trading platforms. EV could have same faith, just a trend. People will try it, fans will keep buying such cars, but majority will still use engines with internal combustion.

I'm not in favor of world conspiracy theories, reptiloids, and an oil-based world government :)
Yes, there are interests of this or that group, but for example, if we talk about oil - if we were such villains as you described it - we would have oil at 2000 dollars per barrel and there was a ban on any means of transportation except for vehicles on the internal combustion engine and every inhabitant of the Earth would be obliged to buy it.
You are not confused that the "owners" of oil are now divided into several groups, absolutely contradictory and with different interests.

The real problem is that 50-30-20 years ago there was no technology, equipment and ability to produce real mass product. In the last decade technology has moved forward very much, so I start to realize ideas that 50 years could exist only as IDEAS, and no one was killed for them :)

A couple of days ago, several big car manufacturers announced that they will keep the conventional internal combustion engines in production. R&D teams are going back to the labs until at least 2039. Why such a decision has been made? Was it caused by the Tesla meltdown in the US this winter? Or perhaps Toyota bosses being sceptical about EV? I'm not sure what was the reason, but many people are starting to admit that EV tech is not mature enough to be used en masse yet. 

The main thing is that the course towards abandoning gasoline and diesel engines was chosen, although a little late, but correctly. Now we no longer have to take into account the economic side of introducing electric or other engines that are environmentally friendly in comparison. The consequences of global climate change will in any case cause much greater economic damage in the future.

The fact that large manufacturers of gasoline and diesel engines do not really want to change their established production is understandable. But the state can easily “convince” them if it raises their taxes many times over for such environmentally harmful activities.

We already have new innovations and inventions of models of cars that doesn't use petrol as engine fuel, instead they are using solar or other renewable energy source, but more are to be discovered about this varieties on how they can be adopted on a large scale use and duration, we cannot keep using the petroleum as the only dependent source of all moving vehicles, we ,must try to get in more of this new inventions in case of future uncertainties about the abundance of these natural resources and their availability.