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October 09, 2023, 06:37:55 PM
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Can it be more funnier? Diesel aggregate for recharging electric cars...

This is where the hypocrisy of the West is reflected, they think if they drive electric cars that makes this world cleaner, but how are these cars made, where are the lithium mines?

In my country there are too many petrol/diesel cars/trucks... people depend on it, their business depends on it. I doubt that anyone can stop the sales and usage of diesel and petrol vehicles... not now, not even in 10 years.
Totally inevitable, Right?

Even if they would be saying or talking about saving up the environment or would really be talking about green or clean world but still we cant really be that able to avoid on making use of diesel/gas on which it
is really that something that relevant when it comes to usage. There's no way that it could really be that eradicated so easily just because of having that intent of zero carbon emission?
There's no way that ICE vehicles would really be cease to exist just because it would really be replaced by full EV? I dont think so.

They would really be just still remaining and both would really co-exist and its up to people whether they would really be switching from ICE to EV. If ever that car
manufacturers would really be going to full EV sales then there would really be those companies who would really be considering on still offering those
internal combustion engine vehicles yet when it comes to performance and in overall i do still prefer this one.

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October 09, 2023, 06:46:07 PM
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Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035

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The landmark law will require carmakers to cut down CO2 emissions by 100 percent.
The 100 percent cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold would make it impossible to sell petrol or diesel-powered cars in the 27-country bloc. The law that comes into effect in phases that will require a 55 percent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars starting 2030, which is a much higher target in comparison to the current 37.5 percent.

Source ---> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/electric-cars/no-petrol/diesel-car-sales-by-2035-european-parliament-approves-ban/articleshow/97939363.cms

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

In my country, our government is encouraging citizens to switch to electric vehicles, but what I'm surprised about is that the infrastructure is still inadequate, so the drive to use electric vehicles is stagnating.
Just imagine, to charge the car battery you have to wait several hours, what if you are in rush hour, regarding whether in 2035 oil vehicles will no longer be available, I am also not so sure, as long as the infrastructure is not adequate then it will be impossible for electric vehicles to succeed in displacing oil vehicles (in terms of sales and also citizen interest) in 2035.



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October 09, 2023, 06:54:13 PM
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Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035

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The landmark law will require carmakers to cut down CO2 emissions by 100 percent.
The 100 percent cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold would make it impossible to sell petrol or diesel-powered cars in the 27-country bloc. The law that comes into effect in phases that will require a 55 percent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars starting 2030, which is a much higher target in comparison to the current 37.5 percent.

Source ---> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/electric-cars/no-petrol/diesel-car-sales-by-2035-european-parliament-approves-ban/articleshow/97939363.cms

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

In my country, our government is encouraging citizens to switch to electric vehicles, but what I'm surprised about is that the infrastructure is still inadequate, so the drive to use electric vehicles is stagnating.
Just imagine, to charge the car battery you have to wait several hours, what if you are in rush hour, regarding whether in 2035 oil vehicles will no longer be available, I am also not so sure, as long as the infrastructure is not adequate then it will be impossible for electric vehicles to succeed in displacing oil vehicles (in terms of sales and also citizen interest) in 2035.

There are pros and cons to using electric vehicles. We can not justify them only by seeing the cons. The whole world is facing problems because of carbon emission. It is time to rethink the use of fossil fuels and shift to an alternative source like renewable energy. So this can be the foothold for it and if the adoption increases on a global scale then those cons will be resolved easily.

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October 09, 2023, 07:04:53 PM
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If the government continues to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, then buyers will be more inclined to buy Elon Musk Tesla company cars.  Because the cars of Elon Musk Tesla company have received a huge response.  Electric cars will be more affordable than diesel and petrol, the country is now moving towards electric cars so most people really want electric cars.At present we have noticed that electric vehicles are slowly becoming a reality in the country.  2035 is still very late,hopefully technology will be more advanced.

The gas/diesel car market is crazy right now and honestly that alone could also cause buyers to move towards electric. Not gonna lie Teslas are awesome, I haven't tried a Lucid out yet but man I want to. Eventually every car maker will probably shift and adjust with the markets as governments create "environmentally friendly"laws propping up EV that moves forward with their Commie agendas. When the oil is not found in the USA and gasoline engines and gas stations are out of the picture and all you have are these oversized parking lots for charging your cars we will surely miss having the gasoline because time is money. Pay the 60 dollars for a full tank of gass or wait 45 minutes or longer so you can drive the same distance and lose 1 hour of your precious time as a result? So freedom is also gone too in case the government ever wanted to shut down your vehicle, ummm so much stuff I can think of here, Electric vehicles shutting down from overheating, or being too cold? that doses't really happen with gasoline vehicles and you hear or some wild crazy stories of electric vehicles not working in those types of conditions and who even knows what sort of situation that could put you in. I could go on. But you can easily see that I don't exactly like this trending towards all electic and no gas future.

When people mention environmentally friendly cars, I always remember about so called Euro standards. If it is planned to stop petrol or diesel car production in 2035, why manufacturers still develop and improve standards all the time?  For example in 2025 there probably would be Euro 7 already. I dont know if you have this in US or lets say outside Europe, but we have CO checks every time we pass annual technical inspections. We spend tons of money on catalyst or addons to fuel to reduce emission.



Yes they do this in the US in Colorado I know for sure and a bunch of other states in the US have to go in and get their car approved in emmissons testing.

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October 09, 2023, 07:11:06 PM
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If the government continues to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, then buyers will be more inclined to buy Elon Musk Tesla company cars.  Because the cars of Elon Musk Tesla company have received a huge response.  Electric cars will be more affordable than diesel and petrol, the country is now moving towards electric cars so most people really want electric cars.At present we have noticed that electric vehicles are slowly becoming a reality in the country.  2035 is still very late,hopefully technology will be more advanced.

The gas/diesel car market is crazy right now and honestly that alone could also cause buyers to move towards electric. Not gonna lie Teslas are awesome, I haven't tried a Lucid out yet but man I want to. Eventually every car maker will probably shift and adjust with the markets as governments create "environmentally friendly"laws propping up EV that moves forward with their Commie agendas. When the oil is not found in the USA and gasoline engines and gas stations are out of the picture and all you have are these oversized parking lots for charging your cars we will surely miss having the gasoline because time is money. Pay the 60 dollars for a full tank of gass or wait 45 minutes or longer so you can drive the same distance and lose 1 hour of your precious time as a result? So freedom is also gone too in case the government ever wanted to shut down your vehicle, ummm so much stuff I can think of here, Electric vehicles shutting down from overheating, or being too cold? that doses't really happen with gasoline vehicles and you hear or some wild crazy stories of electric vehicles not working in those types of conditions and who even knows what sort of situation that could put you in. I could go on. But you can easily see that I don't exactly like this trending towards all electic and no gas future.

When people mention environmentally friendly cars, I always remember about so called Euro standards. If it is planned to stop petrol or diesel car production in 2035, why manufacturers still develop and improve standards all the time?  For example in 2025 there probably would be Euro 7 already. I dont know if you have this in US or lets say outside Europe, but we have CO checks every time we pass annual technical inspections. We spend tons of money on catalyst or addons to fuel to reduce emission.



Yes they do this in the US in Colorado I know for sure and a bunch of other states in the US have to go in and get their car approved in emmissons testing.

New Jersey does it. I have had to have many cars inspected. A few years back they change to law for new cars. No inspection for the first 5 years you own it.  If if you trade in your new car every 4 years  for a new car or so you Never have to inspect it .

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October 09, 2023, 07:52:03 PM
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Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035

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The landmark law will require carmakers to cut down CO2 emissions by 100 percent.
The 100 percent cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold would make it impossible to sell petrol or diesel-powered cars in the 27-country bloc. The law that comes into effect in phases that will require a 55 percent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars starting 2030, which is a much higher target in comparison to the current 37.5 percent.

Source ---> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/electric-cars/no-petrol/diesel-car-sales-by-2035-european-parliament-approves-ban/articleshow/97939363.cms

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

In my country, our government is encouraging citizens to switch to electric vehicles, but what I'm surprised about is that the infrastructure is still inadequate, so the drive to use electric vehicles is stagnating.
Just imagine, to charge the car battery you have to wait several hours, what if you are in rush hour, regarding whether in 2035 oil vehicles will no longer be available, I am also not so sure, as long as the infrastructure is not adequate then it will be impossible for electric vehicles to succeed in displacing oil vehicles (in terms of sales and also citizen interest) in 2035.

There are pros and cons to using electric vehicles. We can not justify them only by seeing the cons. The whole world is facing problems because of carbon emission. It is time to rethink the use of fossil fuels and shift to an alternative source like renewable energy. So this can be the foothold for it and if the adoption increases on a global scale then those cons will be resolved easily.
There's immensely much to be done to achieve this feat globally because from the whole debate the scope is  Europe and some other Western countries but achieving the complete elimination of combustion engine vehicles by 2035 in this places is something that will take more than a decade. The 2035 time frame that's put in focus could be viewed as an experimental phase.

When we take a look at the pros of using EV cars we should likewise consider that it will be weighing on the economies of those countries that heavily depends on petrol and diesel for their sustainability as a source of national income and in countries like that I doubt if they will encourage the complete elimination of combustion engine cars.  And that's why I started by saying that there's immensely much to be done.




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October 10, 2023, 06:49:02 AM
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Could be then possibility. Electric cars are becoming more and more accepted into the roads and parkings now  Wink than ever before making it look like the car industry is already at a massive paradigm shift. There’s equal chances and reasons for the electric car world to both fail or flourish. It all bouls down to the fact that all it really takes is a single push at an oppprtune moment during this altercation, and we might see better days in the energy and fuel sector.

You see electric cars mostly in the cities, but if you travel, you will barely notice an electric car outside the city. It will be kind of exception, when a person has bought a new electric car and for the first time is travelling with it (and probably the last time), or he is just travelling to a nearest town. Until electric cars can not do more than 500km on a single charge, it will be a nervous and well planned journey. And it is highly difficult to make a random ride with it. With an average diesel or petrol car, you can ride for 1/4 of Europe during 1 8h working day. With electric car, you will do 2-3 charges and spend almost a day.

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recently sold my favorite Toyota Prado Smiley For some time I was looking for a car for myself. I will say this - the next one will most likely be a fully electric car. Now I have also taken a Toyota hybrid Rav4. Beautiful car, comfortable, economical, but with internal combustion engine. Why? If I lived in a country where the situation was peaceful and everything was predictable, I would take an electric car. But... my country is under terrorist attack, and we expect new massive shelling of peaceful cities and infrastructure. So an electric car in my situation is a somewhat risky option. If I can always buy gasoline, I will not be able to charge an electric car, with a certain probability, either it will be very difficult or it will be partially charged. But ... believe in our victory, peaceful life and ... electric car Smiley
Is it possible for our country to use electric cars, and what about cars that still use petrol, do they have to sell them? or should I throw it away? This will definitely be the same question from everyone. Unfortunately, the government invites us to use electric cars or vehicles but instead petrol is still subsidized, even if the government wants to regulate the use of electric cars for its people, the payment is also subsidized, wouldn't it be nice if we had electric vehicles but the proceeds come from the government. Oh yes, what happens to the cars that people already own, can they exchange them for electric cars? Is all this just rubbish? That's why before taking steps to call for the use of electric vehicles, education must also be provided to the people so that they can save the energy they already have.

We do not have strict regulation like “bury your car with an internal combustion engine and take out a loan to buy an electric car.” The population makes its own choice! There is simple economic feasibility here - many times lower operating costs, greater comfort and convenience. Even despite the fact that my country is currently undergoing a terrorist attack from a neighboring state, a network of electric charging stations is being actively developed in Ukraine, and the share of purchased electric vehicles is constantly growing. As I wrote, I now have a hybrid, but its presence is explained by the situation in the country. The plans include purchasing a full-fledged electric car, because... my regular costs for its operation will be several times lower, even for a hybrid.

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October 12, 2023, 08:53:33 PM
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In my country, our government is encouraging citizens to switch to electric vehicles, but what I'm surprised about is that the infrastructure is still inadequate, so the drive to use electric vehicles is stagnating.
Just imagine, to charge the car battery you have to wait several hours, what if you are in rush hour, regarding whether in 2035 oil vehicles will no longer be available, I am also not so sure, as long as the infrastructure is not adequate then it will be impossible for electric vehicles to succeed in displacing oil vehicles (in terms of sales and also citizen interest) in 2035.

It might be that your government is preparing the people before they enforce total ban of gasoline vehicles and diesels but the first thing the country need to do about this enforcement is to make certain available of constant electricity, if you have that thenbi think they have solve more than 50%. Electric vehicles cannot work without 24/7 light in the country. The next on their agenda is to bring companies that are manufacturing the electric cars your country instead of importing, that's Wil reduce import duties and extra taxes, it will be so easy to buy and available for everyone.

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October 12, 2023, 10:54:22 PM
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In my country, our government is encouraging citizens to switch to electric vehicles, but what I'm surprised about is that the infrastructure is still inadequate, so the drive to use electric vehicles is stagnating.
Just imagine, to charge the car battery you have to wait several hours, what if you are in rush hour, regarding whether in 2035 oil vehicles will no longer be available, I am also not so sure, as long as the infrastructure is not adequate then it will be impossible for electric vehicles to succeed in displacing oil vehicles (in terms of sales and also citizen interest) in 2035.
thats the thing with electric vehicle and such massive turn off honestly, imagine charging hours just to get to work, i'm pretty sure people will also mostly forget charging their cars at night therefore it will be waste of time when charging.
the oil vehicle still got the upperhand in this regard, but indeed its polution less unless the electric used is coming from coal and not renewable energy then its kinda pointless if thats the case.
but then again we still don't know the direction that our technology is taking, whether going 100% electric in term of car is still arguable until infrastructure sufficient.

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October 12, 2023, 11:09:18 PM
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Could be then possibility. Electric cars are becoming more and more accepted into the roads and parkings now  Wink than ever before making it look like the car industry is already at a massive paradigm shift. There’s equal chances and reasons for the electric car world to both fail or flourish. It all bouls down to the fact that all it really takes is a single push at an oppprtune moment during this altercation, and we might see better days in the energy and fuel sector.

You see electric cars mostly in the cities, but if you travel, you will barely notice an electric car outside the city. It will be kind of exception, when a person has bought a new electric car and for the first time is travelling with it (and probably the last time), or he is just travelling to a nearest town. Until electric cars can not do more than 500km on a single charge, it will be a nervous and well planned journey. And it is highly difficult to make a random ride with it. With an average diesel or petrol car, you can ride for 1/4 of Europe during 1 8h working day. With electric car, you will do 2-3 charges and spend almost a day.
If we compare the mileage between diesel/gasoline cars and electric cars. So until now it seems that diesel cars are still superior. For example, I took research data from last year. namely "In 2021, the IEA noted that the average mileage of an electric car with a full battery condition was 349 kilometers."1
And this distance turns out to be only half the distance that can be traveled by a petrol car which can even cover a distance of 665 KM with a full petrol tank. This is what makes many people hesitate to buy an electric car.

But it all depends on the type of car itself. Because it is reported that the electric car from Tesla, namely Type Y, can cover a distance of around 507KM with a full battery charge2. But it still hasn't been able to beat fossil fuel cars. But as research continues, maybe one day the mileage of electric cars will beat that of fossil fuel/gasoline cars.


Reference:
1. https://data.tempo.co/data/1691/berapa-rata-rata-jarak-yang-dapat-ditempuh-mobil-listrik-dengan-baterai-penuh
2. https://otomotif.okezone.com/read/2022/06/15/52/2612039/12-mobil-listrik-dengan-jarak-tempuh-terjauh-sekali-cas-bisa-melesat-ratusan-km

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October 13, 2023, 04:11:49 AM
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Could be then possibility. Electric cars are becoming more and more accepted into the roads and parkings now  Wink than ever before making it look like the car industry is already at a massive paradigm shift. There’s equal chances and reasons for the electric car world to both fail or flourish. It all bouls down to the fact that all it really takes is a single push at an oppprtune moment during this altercation, and we might see better days in the energy and fuel sector.

You see electric cars mostly in the cities, but if you travel, you will barely notice an electric car outside the city. It will be kind of exception, when a person has bought a new electric car and for the first time is travelling with it (and probably the last time), or he is just travelling to a nearest town. Until electric cars can not do more than 500km on a single charge, it will be a nervous and well planned journey. And it is highly difficult to make a random ride with it. With an average diesel or petrol car, you can ride for 1/4 of Europe during 1 8h working day. With electric car, you will do 2-3 charges and spend almost a day.
If we compare the mileage between diesel/gasoline cars and electric cars. So until now it seems that diesel cars are still superior. For example, I took research data from last year. namely "In 2021, the IEA noted that the average mileage of an electric car with a full battery condition was 349 kilometers."1
And this distance turns out to be only half the distance that can be traveled by a petrol car which can even cover a distance of 665 KM with a full petrol tank. This is what makes many people hesitate to buy an electric car.

But it all depends on the type of car itself. Because it is reported that the electric car from Tesla, namely Type Y, can cover a distance of around 507KM with a full battery charge2. But it still hasn't been able to beat fossil fuel cars. But as research continues, maybe one day the mileage of electric cars will beat that of fossil fuel/gasoline cars.


Reference:
1. https://data.tempo.co/data/1691/berapa-rata-rata-jarak-yang-dapat-ditempuh-mobil-listrik-dengan-baterai-penuh
2. https://otomotif.okezone.com/read/2022/06/15/52/2612039/12-mobil-listrik-dengan-jarak-tempuh-terjauh-sekali-cas-bisa-melesat-ratusan-km


I do a ride to a relative that is 240 miles round trip a tesla can do 300 miles. I would like a better margin than that.

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October 13, 2023, 08:04:11 AM
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Could be then possibility. Electric cars are becoming more and more accepted into the roads and parkings now  Wink than ever before making it look like the car industry is already at a massive paradigm shift. There’s equal chances and reasons for the electric car world to both fail or flourish. It all bouls down to the fact that all it really takes is a single push at an oppprtune moment during this altercation, and we might see better days in the energy and fuel sector.

You see electric cars mostly in the cities, but if you travel, you will barely notice an electric car outside the city. It will be kind of exception, when a person has bought a new electric car and for the first time is travelling with it (and probably the last time), or he is just travelling to a nearest town. Until electric cars can not do more than 500km on a single charge, it will be a nervous and well planned journey. And it is highly difficult to make a random ride with it. With an average diesel or petrol car, you can ride for 1/4 of Europe during 1 8h working day. With electric car, you will do 2-3 charges and spend almost a day.
If we compare the mileage between diesel/gasoline cars and electric cars. So until now it seems that diesel cars are still superior. For example, I took research data from last year. namely "In 2021, the IEA noted that the average mileage of an electric car with a full battery condition was 349 kilometers."1
And this distance turns out to be only half the distance that can be traveled by a petrol car which can even cover a distance of 665 KM with a full petrol tank. This is what makes many people hesitate to buy an electric car.

But it all depends on the type of car itself. Because it is reported that the electric car from Tesla, namely Type Y, can cover a distance of around 507KM with a full battery charge2. But it still hasn't been able to beat fossil fuel cars. But as research continues, maybe one day the mileage of electric cars will beat that of fossil fuel/gasoline cars.


Reference:
1. https://data.tempo.co/data/1691/berapa-rata-rata-jarak-yang-dapat-ditempuh-mobil-listrik-dengan-baterai-penuh
2. https://otomotif.okezone.com/read/2022/06/15/52/2612039/12-mobil-listrik-dengan-jarak-tempuh-terjauh-sekali-cas-bisa-melesat-ratusan-km



You're absolutely right, but, uh. There are nuances:
For example, my hybrid, consumes about 5.6 on the urban cycle, and 1 refueling is enough for about 1000 km.
Many electric cars nowadays can go 300-400 km, and recharge while you drink coffee. That said:
- the price will be an order of magnitude cheaper than gasoline/diesel
- the range of electric cars is growing every year.
Plus there are a lot of new technologies, almost brought to industrial production, which will bring electric cars of the middle class to the range of the same 1000 km, and it will happen in the next 3-5 years.

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October 13, 2023, 11:33:27 AM
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Could be then possibility. Electric cars are becoming more and more accepted into the roads and parkings now  Wink than ever before making it look like the car industry is already at a massive paradigm shift. There’s equal chances and reasons for the electric car world to both fail or flourish. It all bouls down to the fact that all it really takes is a single push at an oppprtune moment during this altercation, and we might see better days in the energy and fuel sector.

You see electric cars mostly in the cities, but if you travel, you will barely notice an electric car outside the city. It will be kind of exception, when a person has bought a new electric car and for the first time is travelling with it (and probably the last time), or he is just travelling to a nearest town. Until electric cars can not do more than 500km on a single charge, it will be a nervous and well planned journey. And it is highly difficult to make a random ride with it. With an average diesel or petrol car, you can ride for 1/4 of Europe during 1 8h working day. With electric car, you will do 2-3 charges and spend almost a day.
If we compare the mileage between diesel/gasoline cars and electric cars. So until now it seems that diesel cars are still superior. For example, I took research data from last year. namely "In 2021, the IEA noted that the average mileage of an electric car with a full battery condition was 349 kilometers."1
And this distance turns out to be only half the distance that can be traveled by a petrol car which can even cover a distance of 665 KM with a full petrol tank. This is what makes many people hesitate to buy an electric car.

But it all depends on the type of car itself. Because it is reported that the electric car from Tesla, namely Type Y, can cover a distance of around 507KM with a full battery charge2. But it still hasn't been able to beat fossil fuel cars. But as research continues, maybe one day the mileage of electric cars will beat that of fossil fuel/gasoline cars.


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2. https://otomotif.okezone.com/read/2022/06/15/52/2612039/12-mobil-listrik-dengan-jarak-tempuh-terjauh-sekali-cas-bisa-melesat-ratusan-km



You're absolutely right, but, uh. There are nuances:
For example, my hybrid, consumes about 5.6 on the urban cycle, and 1 refueling is enough for about 1000 km.
Many electric cars nowadays can go 300-400 km, and recharge while you drink coffee. That said:
- the price will be an order of magnitude cheaper than gasoline/diesel
- the range of electric cars is growing every year.
Plus there are a lot of new technologies, almost brought to industrial production, which will bring electric cars of the middle class to the range of the same 1000 km, and it will happen in the next 3-5 years.

Low range is the most annoying thing about EVs. And no it can't recharge while you're drinking coffee. Fast charging takes about 30-40 minutes on most EVs. If you drive a lot on a highway you lose too much time (and also it's not particularly good for the battery). The only viable solution would be swappable battery packs like you could leave your battery at the charging station and plug another one instead but that would also require complete redesign of the EVs to make batteries swappable etc.   
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October 13, 2023, 12:10:58 PM
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That’s not gonna happen. Government is lying for sure. Get this, most of the taxes for government are coming from the fuel selling. If they stop the sell of fuel then how they will keep up with the national reserves. Tons of gallon is utilised every now and then just like that. From the vehicle to generators and powering emergency services to military vehicles you name it. This is definitely dream because we don’t have other means of fuel or energy producing technology that can beat the oil or gasoline. Green energy is still not as efficient as it supposed to be. Neither it would be beneficial for the Government in terms of making money and foreign reserves on import and export. There bunch of things that will restrict this from happening. Maybe a small country might do it but not everyone through the world.
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Low range is the most annoying thing about EVs. And no it can't recharge while you're drinking coffee. Fast charging takes about 30-40 minutes on most EVs. If you drive a lot on a highway you lose too much time (and also it's not particularly good for the battery). The only viable solution would be swappable battery packs like you could leave your battery at the charging station and plug another one instead but that would also require complete redesign of the EVs to make batteries swappable etc.   

Yes, most "last year's" budget and mid-priced cars do have unacceptably low range. But they are designed more for the urban cycle home-work-home, with a range of 100 +/- km on a single charge.

The suggestion "while drinking coffee" is figurative, full charging will take a noticeable time, but refueling 25-30% in order to get there can fit into an acceptable time interval.

I took a Jaguar I-PACE for a ride with a Mode 2 charging cable.  With a charging power of 50 kW, in 15 minutes you can "fill up" about 60 km. If it is a 100 kW charging station - you can already get about 100-120 km of range.

With a battery with a range of 800-1000 km, for most consumers, this problem is solved. In the future, a solution with "super-capacitors", which reduces full charging to minutes, a disproportionate number of cycles and a much larger volume. So 3-5 years and many problems will be solved.

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I think the government is starting to spearhead a more extensive push for EV adoption. With the recent decisions at high-level EU institutions, it's making people more prepared to embrace the widespread presence of EVs, backed by more reliable infrastructure. There will be an increase in electric charging stations, making it easier for everyone to comply with the government's recommendations and use EVs.

Low range is the most annoying thing about EVs. And no it can't recharge while you're drinking coffee. Fast charging takes about 30-40 minutes on most EVs. If you drive a lot on a highway you lose too much time (and also it's not particularly good for the battery). The only viable solution would be swappable battery packs like you could leave your battery at the charging station and plug another one instead but that would also require complete redesign of the EVs to make batteries swappable etc.   
Utilizing services such as instant battery replacement, where depleted batteries are exchanged for fully charged ones, requires even more expensive equipment. At the very least, consumers would bear the cost of this double battery process, and I'm quite certain it won't come cheap. However, such a mechanism could potentially be offered as a premium service by companies. In essence, the practice of charging through battery replacement is sometimes intended for vehicle owners in certain classes who have a greater need for it.

Adopting the habit of a 30-minute charging session might make everyone gradually accustomed to it. Long journeys are undoubtedly energy-draining, and this can serve as a reason to choose to recharge while taking a break. Meanwhile, for short-distance trips, it will invariably consume minimal time and pose no significant issues.
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I think the government is starting to spearhead a more extensive push for EV adoption. With the recent decisions at high-level EU institutions, it's making people more prepared to embrace the widespread presence of EVs, backed by more reliable infrastructure. There will be an increase in electric charging stations, making it easier for everyone to comply with the government's recommendations and use EVs.

Low range is the most annoying thing about EVs. And no it can't recharge while you're drinking coffee. Fast charging takes about 30-40 minutes on most EVs. If you drive a lot on a highway you lose too much time (and also it's not particularly good for the battery). The only viable solution would be swappable battery packs like you could leave your battery at the charging station and plug another one instead but that would also require complete redesign of the EVs to make batteries swappable etc.   
Utilizing services such as instant battery replacement, where depleted batteries are exchanged for fully charged ones, requires even more expensive equipment. At the very least, consumers would bear the cost of this double battery process, and I'm quite certain it won't come cheap. However, such a mechanism could potentially be offered as a premium service by companies. In essence, the practice of charging through battery replacement is sometimes intended for vehicle owners in certain classes who have a greater need for it.

Adopting the habit of a 30-minute charging session might make everyone gradually accustomed to it. Long journeys are undoubtedly energy-draining, and this can serve as a reason to choose to recharge while taking a break. Meanwhile, for short-distance trips, it will invariably consume minimal time and pose no significant issues.

The scheme with replacing the battery pack is more suitable, and as far as I know, is being implemented for commercial cargo transportation, such as the Tesla Semi and the like. There is a real demand for such a service, and businesses are willing to pay for this service.
For private use, for passenger cars, this will significantly complicate the design of the vehicle itself and will cost significant amounts of money, which will not be acceptable for the owners of such cars.

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If they are going to ban oil car sales, they have to bring an alternative which is as good as oil cars. At the moment electric cars are not an alternative because of the costs of replacing batteries and charging/range problems. Hydrogen cars look promising though. Toyota’s Mirai is pretty awesome and it don’t produce any toxic waste like lithium cars. (It produces water) Unless they dump the electric cars and move towards hydrogen, oil will be around for a long time. My guess is we will be driving oil cars till we run out of oil but of course, that’s if we don’t switch to hydrogen. I think tesla should have made a hydrogen car instead of going full lithium. Maybe they will realize their mistake in the future.

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Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
The cost for running an electric car maybe lower than a car with a combustion engine. But the process of mining goods that are used in making batteries are way energy-hungry than mining natural gas. People may say that using gas / petrol or any other thing that burns to run the engine are causing environmental problem. Electric cars seem like environment friendly objects but is it though? If we take the idea of using solar energy to run those electric vehicles, then there's a problem with that too. The immense heat that is created from the solar panels could damage the ozone layer which is much more dangerous than what is happening right now with gas engines.

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So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?
Not sure about when this will be achieved or not. But the price will only increase as days goes by. The material that is needed to construct those cars will become less and less and it will become more costly. So I don't think the price will be dropping instead of growing.
There will be back and forth before it will really be a thing. But that will take decades for sure. But I am not saying that I am 100% accurate. Because evolution happens so quickly that you are stuck for a hundred or thousands of years and suddenly in one or two years you can break through that. So that will be interesting to see in the future. And if people are able to make batteries that take less time to recharge and good convert less energy to more energy (energy could not be created or destroyed) some mechanism that uses less energy to operate. Something like quantum battery. It's still best on theory but if that is possible then the electric car era will come sooner than expected.
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