No petrol/diesel car sales by 2035/ Reality or dream?

[stomachgrowls]

What about the case when you ran out of energy and closest charging station is kilometers away? With regular fuel, you can just walk to gas station, get canister and return. In case there are no cars the are passing by. With EV, you cant just get a small battery at charging station. I agree that this case is more like an exception. But there are cases when charge meter gets a bug and shows you incorrect info. With cars that runs on fuel it is a bit easier. Even if you ran out of fuel, you can still use your AC battery to heat the car (in case you travel not alone), leave it with warning lights and walk to fuel station. With EV, once the battery is empty, the car is just a piece of aluminum, plastic and fabric.

I heard that there are many powerbank for car being in development specifically made for EV that you can carry around just in case but then it'd also take up some spaces in the car unlike petrol based vehicles that usually just need some fuel brought from nearest gas station.
but there are many EV manufacturers that offers service to charge when the battery is running out like for example is hyundai, they offer service like emergency service to help but i don't know how effective it is and how wide is their coverage.
meanwhile its still become a problem needs to be solved after all its not uncommon seeing car running out of gas or electricity.

I am sure that Hyundai will charge EV owner for this service, and powerbanks are partial solution. I mean, you never know when you completely run out of gas or power in your can. It always happens suddenly. With regular car, you can use any bottle, any container to get some fuel. While such powerbanks for EV I think will be sold only in specific shops. And how huge this powerbank has to be? With 1l bottle with petrol you can ride on average 10km, and it isnt heavy. If EV powerbank is as heavy as AC, then it will quite an adventure to bring it back to car from shop if you stuck in a middle of nowhere.

Like I’ve said, I dont have EV and experience with owning it. Maybe I am dramatizing a lot and life with EV is much easier. But right now I am to cautious of having it as a main car and riding it every day without having a headache of how and where to charge.

you're definitely not dramatizing, things with EV gets worse with the fact that battery capability is decreasing along the usage and time passed.
there has been many problems about the battery of some EV suddenly empty out of nowhere, this definitely a serious concern if one wanna own EV.
because we don't know if our EV will eventually got some problems like this, even having powerbank will become useless if the battery isn't healthy.
there are still many problems with EV honestly that still gets unexposed, eventually once it becomes more mainstream, it will have many problems surfacing.
thats when the development would advance for this technology.

As far as i remember on which the battery efficiency would drop 80% efficiency on 10 years time. I dont know if im right or i had just read up the wrong information about it.
If this is the case then for sure it would really be that something that kind of chance and as we do see that there are already several companies now had launched up their EV's and there are ones who had
already manufactured their last combustion engine car on which we can presume that they would really be that going ahead with EV's on which consumers wont really be having no option but
to accept if ever this one would realy be fully be switching up then consumers would really be needing to adopt but it would really be that totally that convenient if we do have tons
of charging stations in the road on which it would really be that giving that convenience to consumers for them to have  that switch up.

Sale for now then it might be still less but since it is really that still starting up and if it would be able to prove it self on the market about its durability and efficiency
then there might be some recognition later on and demand would increase.

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[STT]

Batteries being produced now can last ten years or more fairly easily as I understand it.  Some good care is required but its quite possible and normal for any user to do that.  In future we will improve technology further but its fair to say the first uses of battery technology did register too commonly failure before the ten year mark but technology advances at a much higher rate then expected so from what I've seen the whole sector will be fine.

  The other point not being estimated correctly is how well cars can integrate into an economy especially with irregular energy production the battery becomes a utility device to store that cheap energy when available.  Most house holds cannot currently store cheap off peak energy but the electric car unlocks that ability and will add efficiency across the country as usage rises.
  These reasons and other positives are why we might be underestimating the rising use of electric over prior technology.  For fun driving I still want petrol same as anyone else but most car use is for practical reasons so I see transition will occur imo.

[Casdinyard]

I don't think the current fiasco Tesla is under serves well in making the electric vehicle industry look good in the public, or at least the face of electric vehicles for that matter, Maybe we should push this back a little further lol like in the 2050s or something? That seems a little more feasible since improvements in the guiding systems as well as other peripherals are also being looked upon by many ev manufacturers lately. Tesla's under fire, Audi's not getting anywhere with their electric vehicles, and while China has been doing their part in creating these electric vehicles, they haven't penetrated the global market just yet and their shit had that bad reputation of always breaking down. Not looking good for our EV bois.

[krishnaverma]

Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035

The landmark law will require carmakers to cut down CO2 emissions by 100 percent.
The 100 percent cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold would make it impossible to sell petrol or diesel-powered cars in the 27-country bloc. The law that comes into effect in phases that will require a 55 percent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars starting 2030, which is a much higher target in comparison to the current 37.5 percent.

Source ---> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/electric-cars/no-petrol/diesel-car-sales-by-2035-european-parliament-approves-ban/articleshow/97939363.cms

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

It will be reality in nearby future. Because there are other types of vehicles becoming popular like electric vehicles. In my country, even the leading political company is in favor of no more petrol cars by 2030.

[bestcoins1]

It will be reality in nearby future. Because there are other types of vehicles becoming popular like electric vehicles. In my country, even the leading political company is in favor of no more petrol cars by 2030.

If this support is aimed at the next seven years, I think there will still be petrol vehicle users during that time. Because personally, everyone is starting to consider this from now on, even though many people still don't have an electric vehicle at the moment, because there are still basic things that many people are thinking about.

Such as the durability of the vehicle and also easier service when you want to make repairs to the vehicle or want to make modifications to the electric vehicle, so these are considerations that many people are thinking about now before actually using an electric vehicle for the long term. Especially for people who don't like changing vehicles in a short time, it is clear that they will be very detailed in making their analysis and considerations for the future.

[DrBeer]

I would like to add a few words about the batteries themselves, because today they are the bottleneck of electric cars. In the very near future, new technologies for the production of energy storage systems will appear on the market. Among these technologies:

Carbon nanotubes of lithium electrode
Copper nanowires of the lithium cathode
Lithium-air carbon
Silicon lithium
Carbon-foam capacitor hybrid
Lithium-silicon polymer
Lithium sulfur-carbon nanofiber
Lithium-manganese composites, silicon-carbon nanocomposites

And perhaps the most important technology or concept is the transition from purely rechargeable batteries to the concept of super-capacitors.

All of this ultimately solves several problems:
1. Capacity
2. Charge rate
3. Number of charge-discharge cycles
4. Cost
5. environmental friendliness of production and recycling

[bakasabo]

Speaking about batteries, what is the current situation on the market with them? Are there enough specialists to perform maintenance? What if all of a sudden something happens with a battery? Can it be replaced in a week? Or there are queues in services? Only official dealers are able to do that? How hard or easy it is to change old to a new or fix (if it is even possible)? Are there battery alternatives on the market? As with petrol/diesel cars, it is a matter of 3-5h to change old plastic or aluminum (dont know much about old cars, maybe it isnt aluminum, new cars have plastic tanks), new original or alternative tank can be found in 1 day, plus old can always be fixed or cleaned.

[Pingrapole]

It is not plausible that there will be no diesel cars by mid-2035. It may be that the process could begin by then and be introduced in many states on a trial basis Another system requires a revolution before another revolution is concerned with many and if electric cars take off, the price of electricity will skyrocket.Now maybe oil or gas dependent countries are taking various opportunities to increase the price of these two things, so this decision might be coming and the current world is leaning towards renewable energy because it is environment friendly.But when we become dependent on electric power, those who have achieved great success in the power generation sector will take the same opportunity, they will increase the price of electrical appliances along with the price of electricity If given, car prices will skyrocket and developing and underdeveloped nations will be largely deprived and left behind in modern facilities.So in my opinion both should be used in combination rather than relying on one so that neither side can do anarchic business.And in order to save the world from the hands of the environment, climate change must be prevented, for this the use of renewable energy as an alternative to natural energy has been called by the United Nations as one of the 17 goals of the United Nations SDG Having a goal with the medium renewable energy statement is however very important.
Finally, I would like to say that if this system is introduced, certain countries will benefit and other countries will be in danger and the oil producing countries will not accept it and will not allow it to be implemented by 2035It is nothing more than a dream that many major oil or gas producing states will withdraw from the policy and continue the system as before as a result of various proposals by the states.

[uswa56]

It will be reality in nearby future. Because there are other types of vehicles becoming popular like electric vehicles. In my country, even the leading political company is in favor of no more petrol cars by 2030.

If this support is aimed at the next seven years, I think there will still be petrol vehicle users during that time. Because personally, everyone is starting to consider this from now on, even though many people still don't have an electric vehicle at the moment, because there are still basic things that many people are thinking about.

Such as the durability of the vehicle and also easier service when you want to make repairs to the vehicle or want to make modifications to the electric vehicle, so these are considerations that many people are thinking about now before actually using an electric vehicle for the long term. Especially for people who don't like changing vehicles in a short time, it is clear that they will be very detailed in making their analysis and considerations for the future.

Seven years is a very short time to be able to change this, it is indeed possible for everyone to switch to electric cars, but I will not be sure/believe that this will happen in the near future because not all groups can afford electric cars and there are still many underdeveloped or developing countries are not yet ready for this change.
Currently, if we look at the positive, better and more sophisticated changes will occur in the future slowly and for big things I am sure they will be realized over a long period of time.

[Wakate]

Speaking about batteries, what is the current situation on the market with them? Are there enough specialists to perform maintenance? What if all of a sudden something happens with a battery? Can it be replaced in a week? Or there are queues in services? Only official dealers are able to do that? How hard or easy it is to change old to a new or fix (if it is even possible)? Are there battery alternatives on the market? As with petrol/diesel cars, it is a matter of 3-5h to change old plastic or aluminum (dont know much about old cars, maybe it isnt aluminum, new cars have plastic tanks), new original or alternative tank can be found in 1 day, plus old can always be fixed or cleaned.

I think there is no way that there won't be petrol or diesel cars or truck by 2035. There are heavy machineries and truck that can not rely on batteries for there fueling. Batteries can not power all appliances we have since the lifespan of batteries is not that long and and there will be need for recharging them which can affect production speed and efficiency. Maybe by then there will be a better options that is more reliable than the use of batteries. It is obvious that technology is advancing on a high speed and soon we might have a better technology than the use of batteries or something that will increase the efficiency and the lifespan of battery usage.

[Youngkhngdiddy]

I think there is no way that there won't be petrol or diesel cars or truck by 2035. There are heavy machineries and truck that can not rely on batteries for there fueling. Batteries can not power all appliances we have since the lifespan of batteries is not that long and and there will be need for recharging them which can affect production speed and efficiency. Maybe by then there will be a better options that is more reliable than the use of batteries. It is obvious that technology is advancing on a high speed and soon we might have a better technology than the use of batteries or something that will increase the efficiency and the lifespan of battery usage.

The transitioning will take time it will just happen all of a sudden, gradually people will come up with new inventions something that will suite the current paradigm. Scientists, engineers and inventors are working really hard to make our life better, I believe we already have some inventions of these already, such inventions will take years of test run so that it can suit the mass, after all what’s use of these innovations if humanity can’t benefit from them. Cars running with batteries by 2035 is a possibility we have started seeing them function. And other car companies are venting to moving from gas to battery. The globe is keen to keeping the climate and its ozone layer clean soon running cars without gas will be top tier.
  Technology will keep to improve as the year progresses, innovations won’t stop until the world comes to an end they are looking at making everything from renewable energy and this will help our planet. There’s is this mass movement about saving the world. With time they can achieve this aim, and gradually we see other developments that will help solve other problems.

[Mahanton]

I think there is no way that there won't be petrol or diesel cars or truck by 2035. There are heavy machineries and truck that can not rely on batteries for there fueling. Batteries can not power all appliances we have since the lifespan of batteries is not that long and and there will be need for recharging them which can affect production speed and efficiency. Maybe by then there will be a better options that is more reliable than the use of batteries. It is obvious that technology is advancing on a high speed and soon we might have a better technology than the use of batteries or something that will increase the efficiency and the lifespan of battery usage.

The transitioning will take time it will just happen all of a sudden, gradually people will come up with new inventions something that will suite the current paradigm. Scientists, engineers and inventors are working really hard to make our life better, I believe we already have some inventions of these already, such inventions will take years of test run so that it can suit the mass, after all what’s use of these innovations if humanity can’t benefit from them. Cars running with batteries by 2035 is a possibility we have started seeing them function. And other car companies are venting to moving from gas to battery. The globe is keen to keeping the climate and its ozone layer clean soon running cars without gas will be top tier.
  Technology will keep to improve as the year progresses, innovations won’t stop until the world comes to an end they are looking at making everything from renewable energy and this will help our planet. There’s is this mass movement about saving the world. With time they can achieve this aim, and gradually we see other developments that will help solve other problems.

Transition wont really be that an instant and just like been said that it would really be that just on gradual phase but i dont really believe that it would really be completely be able to replace it out considering that we've been using up petrol/diesel cars since the beginning of time and plus we do know that when it comes to in comparison to power delivery and durability then i could say that cars that running on petrol is much better.
We've seen that there are electric vehicles that are really that being on sale or offered now on which i cant deny that it is really that interesting which considering that petrol nowadays is really that keep increasing
its price on which it is already that expensive on which it isnt economical if you are really that making use of those petrol/diesel cars, somewhat you wont really be that making
yourself that in problem if you are rich but if you are that somewhat an average type then it surely does matter.

The only thing that i doubt with these EV's is into its maintenance cost and also with that battery pack on which it is something that will really be that having that main question,
on how long it would be lasting? There's no such thing that you could be able to say on where it would be lasting and pretty sure that it doesnt come cheap.

[Fortify]

Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035

The landmark law will require carmakers to cut down CO2 emissions by 100 percent.
The 100 percent cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold would make it impossible to sell petrol or diesel-powered cars in the 27-country bloc. The law that comes into effect in phases that will require a 55 percent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars starting 2030, which is a much higher target in comparison to the current 37.5 percent.

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

We should all hope the trend towards electric vehicles continues and accelerates even faster, because there will be a lot less pollution around when the majority of the world makes the major transition. It seems like an inevitability that will benefit everyone, almost at the level of transferring from horses into motorized vehicles, it is a natural progression. While we should never forget that a lot of dirty and toxic materials can be created during the extraction process to get the necessary metals and minerals, it should theoretically be easier to manage those in the more limited locations, instead of emitting poisonous gases by millions of cars on the roads every single day.

[_BlackStar]

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We should all hope the trend towards electric vehicles continues and accelerates even faster, because there will be a lot less pollution around when the majority of the world makes the major transition. It seems like an inevitability that will benefit everyone, almost at the level of transferring from horses into motorized vehicles, it is a natural progression. While we should never forget that a lot of dirty and toxic materials can be created during the extraction process to get the necessary metals and minerals, it should theoretically be easier to manage those in the more limited locations, instead of emitting poisonous gases by millions of cars on the roads every single day.

I know it's a technological advancement that will probably be one of the newest trends of the future - but how can we ignore that high electricity usage doesn't cause many problems?

Bitcoin mining is considered bad because it uses a lot of electricity which is not good for the environment - while what if those hundreds of millions of cars have no impact on the environment even if a positive impact can be expected. I'm sure this will have its pros and cons - but however, the development of time and technology will continue to satisfy human civilization.

[pixie85]

What about the case when you ran out of energy and closest charging station is kilometers away? With regular fuel, you can just walk to gas station, get canister and return. In case there are no cars the are passing by. With EV, you cant just get a small battery at charging station. I agree that this case is more like an exception. But there are cases when charge meter gets a bug and shows you incorrect info. With cars that runs on fuel it is a bit easier. Even if you ran out of fuel, you can still use your AC battery to heat the car (in case you travel not alone), leave it with warning lights and walk to fuel station. With EV, once the battery is empty, the car is just a piece of aluminum, plastic and fabric.

I've read about such case when a guy was testing a Tesla and wanted to see if it really shows the real range. He wanted to push it to the limit.

I don't remember all the numbers and the article was from at least a year ago but he wanted to travel from one town to another and planned the rout a day before. The car showed him that he can go from point  a to point b at full charge with some margin. There was a charging station at point b.
When he was maybe 20km from that spot the car started showing that he won't make it and instead of +10km left it corrected to something like -2 so he thought that maybe the car is wrong and he can make it. After all this was a trip of more than 200km and the car was showing that it will lack 1% charge to make it.

Long story short, he didn't make it and the car shut down in the middle of the street with no charging station nearby, so he went to a hardware store and bought the cheapest gasoline power generator and charged it a bit to make that 2 additional kilometers to his destination.

[bettercrypto]

No one knows what will happen in the future, but since we are using modern technology, it is possible that something like that will happen if that is what people want, in my opinion.

Because of my several decades in this world, I have not seen anything that our time is not developing; instead, as time goes on, there is innovation when it comes to technology. Before, there was no electricity, appliances, or cars, but now, because of the knowledge of people, there is also development, which is why it happened.

[goldkingcoiner]

Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035

The landmark law will require carmakers to cut down CO2 emissions by 100 percent.
The 100 percent cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold would make it impossible to sell petrol or diesel-powered cars in the 27-country bloc. The law that comes into effect in phases that will require a 55 percent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars starting 2030, which is a much higher target in comparison to the current 37.5 percent.

Source ---> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/electric-cars/no-petrol/diesel-car-sales-by-2035-european-parliament-approves-ban/articleshow/97939363.cms

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

Yeah, because everyone will either buy used fossil fuel cars or buy new electric cars that are refueled with electricity that was produced by burning fossil fuels. Unless we discover a different way to generate electricity, we will come to the conclusion that our energy demands outstrip our energy production. The discovery would have to be something amazing though, like cold fusion.

I mean you can try slapping a solar panel on your Tesla but it won't generate enough electricity in a day to move a car.

2035 seems optimistic. Especially with with all the undiscovered oil reserves. Who needs a life-nurturing environment when you can save money?
 

[Sithara007]

Yeah, because everyone will either buy used fossil fuel cars or buy new electric cars that are refueled with electricity that was produced by burning fossil fuels. Unless we discover a different way to generate electricity, we will come to the conclusion that our energy demands outstrip our energy production. The discovery would have to be something amazing though, like cold fusion.

I mean you can try slapping a solar panel on your Tesla but it won't generate enough electricity in a day to move a car.

2035 seems optimistic. Especially with with all the undiscovered oil reserves. Who needs a life-nurturing environment when you can save money?

The current EV technology causes more damage to the environment when compared to the gasoline vehicles. Mining Lithium, Cobalt and Nickel has devastated ecologically sensitive areas of the world. If you have a doubt regarding this, then please visit Norilsk or the Democratic Republic of Congo. And it is not just the batteries. Most of the electricity that is used to run these EVs come from burning fossil fuels - natural gas, or even more polluting fuels such as coal, lignite or naphtha. EVs seems to be more polluting than gasoline vehicles at this point.

[philipma1957]

Yeah, because everyone will either buy used fossil fuel cars or buy new electric cars that are refueled with electricity that was produced by burning fossil fuels. Unless we discover a different way to generate electricity, we will come to the conclusion that our energy demands outstrip our energy production. The discovery would have to be something amazing though, like cold fusion.

I mean you can try slapping a solar panel on your Tesla but it won't generate enough electricity in a day to move a car.

2035 seems optimistic. Especially with with all the undiscovered oil reserves. Who needs a life-nurturing environment when you can save money?

The current EV technology causes more damage to the environment when compared to the gasoline vehicles. Mining Lithium, Cobalt and Nickel has devastated ecologically sensitive areas of the world. If you have a doubt regarding this, then please visit Norilsk or the Democratic Republic of Congo. And it is not just the batteries. Most of the electricity that is used to run these EVs come from burning fossil fuels - natural gas, or even more polluting fuels such as coal, lignite or naphtha. EVs seems to be more polluting than gasoline vehicles at this point.

Mining coal has destroyed entire mountains in china 🇨🇳 and in the usa 🇺🇸.

Not that mining lithium cobalt or nickel is clean.

[Out of mind]

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

If such an indication comes from the EU, I think it will take a long time. Because if this digital technology makes it, then surely few centuries can pass. Although they have decided to meet this target by 2035, I think it may take several more years, maybe 2050, when this technology will be introduced. We know cars are driven by gasoline, octane all over the world, yet there is no such case of electric car being made. However, if in the future electric engine powered cars are made, the cost can be reduced a lot, but we may not be here in this world to see this principle come into force.