No petrol/diesel car sales by 2035/ Reality or dream?

[bakasabo]

Sounds logical, but.
if you have a gasoline/diesel car - whether you want it or not, you have no options, you have to go to a gas station ! And you can't organize it at your place.
But to make at least "slow charging" in a parking lot/garage/parking lot - it is not difficult and possible. And if several car owners agree - it is possible to install "fast charging".  And still it will be profitable against the background of gasoline costs, and taking into account the monetization of this charging station by selling charging service for other owners of electric cars

I have 1 charging station near the parking lot, there seem to be 4 charging nodes. But I do not say what type... I'll check tomorrow

I fully understand that petrol/diesel stations have disadvantages also, like dirty and smelly hands after you use fueling pistol. And it is impossible to organize own gas station due to excise tax, environmental issues, lack of storage and fuel supplies wont simply work with such small buyers like individual persons.  With organization of "personal charger" and sharing it with others instantly appears  problem of "who will be first, second... to charge". If it takes 1-2h to charge, then whos gonna wake up at night, go to parking and switch cars that will charge next? Of course that all is negotiable, but one day someone will get lazy to do that.

And with "selling charging service" income tax appears. Dont know about other countries, but in our country individual entrepreneur must pay annual tax even he during tax year he did nothing. Also if his turnover exceeds 30k, he looses status of IE and must become LLC. It might turn, that if a persons wants to sell his charging service, he will either work with a loss, or the income wont be reasonable to start this service. When the word service appears, a lot of people already act that you owe them. The owner will become that person that runs at nights to switch charging cars, and people would be unhappy or unsatisfied if they arent fully charged by morning.

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[DrBeer]

Sounds logical, but.
if you have a gasoline/diesel car - whether you want it or not, you have no options, you have to go to a gas station ! And you can't organize it at your place.
But to make at least "slow charging" in a parking lot/garage/parking lot - it is not difficult and possible. And if several car owners agree - it is possible to install "fast charging".  And still it will be profitable against the background of gasoline costs, and taking into account the monetization of this charging station by selling charging service for other owners of electric cars

I have 1 charging station near the parking lot, there seem to be 4 charging nodes. But I do not say what type... I'll check tomorrow

I fully understand that petrol/diesel stations have disadvantages also, like dirty and smelly hands after you use fueling pistol. And it is impossible to organize own gas station due to excise tax, environmental issues, lack of storage and fuel supplies wont simply work with such small buyers like individual persons.  With organization of "personal charger" and sharing it with others instantly appears  problem of "who will be first, second... to charge". If it takes 1-2h to charge, then whos gonna wake up at night, go to parking and switch cars that will charge next? Of course that all is negotiable, but one day someone will get lazy to do that.

And with "selling charging service" income tax appears. Dont know about other countries, but in our country individual entrepreneur must pay annual tax even he during tax year he did nothing. Also if his turnover exceeds 30k, he looses status of IE and must become LLC. It might turn, that if a persons wants to sell his charging service, he will either work with a loss, or the income wont be reasonable to start this service. When the word service appears, a lot of people already act that you owe them. The owner will become that person that runs at nights to switch charging cars, and people would be unhappy or unsatisfied if they arent fully charged by morning.

Honestly gov't quite understand the problem, as the charging station can be on a 1-2-3-... charging ports. Eventually you can put 2-3-4-... pieces of them and get more charging ports

I do not know where you live and what is the situation in this market, but in my Ukraine, there are a lot of companies selling franchises for charging stations. And you can buy any equipment, which is complete with specialized software (your management system + mobile application for customers), ie a set for a quick start.
Taxes. Yes, they are everywhere. For example, we have a light form of taxation for small businesses. For example, under scheme 3, you can receive a year up to 5,000,000 UAH of income (it is about 135,000 dollars), and pay 5% of income. You can buy a station for each member of the family, conditionally 3 people who will each conduct individual entrepreneurial activity, and a year the family can safely get up to 400.000 dollars, paying from this amount, for the year, 5% taxes.

Not for the purpose of advertising: https://ugv.ua/ru/shop/ - just choose, buy, start a business
The supplier company helps in the following matters:
- project development
- installation of the charging station
- connecting it to the UGV Chargers network
- Providing software for the charging process
- placing the charging information on the map
- service maintenance

[Lanatsa]

Sounds logical, but.
if you have a gasoline/diesel car - whether you want it or not, you have no options, you have to go to a gas station ! And you can't organize it at your place.
But to make at least "slow charging" in a parking lot/garage/parking lot - it is not difficult and possible. And if several car owners agree - it is possible to install "fast charging".  And still it will be profitable against the background of gasoline costs, and taking into account the monetization of this charging station by selling charging service for other owners of electric cars

I have 1 charging station near the parking lot, there seem to be 4 charging nodes. But I do not say what type... I'll check tomorrow

I fully understand that petrol/diesel stations have disadvantages also, like dirty and smelly hands after you use fueling pistol. And it is impossible to organize own gas station due to excise tax, environmental issues, lack of storage and fuel supplies wont simply work with such small buyers like individual persons.  With organization of "personal charger" and sharing it with others instantly appears  problem of "who will be first, second... to charge". If it takes 1-2h to charge, then whos gonna wake up at night, go to parking and switch cars that will charge next? Of course that all is negotiable, but one day someone will get lazy to do that.

And with "selling charging service" income tax appears. Dont know about other countries, but in our country individual entrepreneur must pay annual tax even he during tax year he did nothing. Also if his turnover exceeds 30k, he looses status of IE and must become LLC. It might turn, that if a persons wants to sell his charging service, he will either work with a loss, or the income wont be reasonable to start this service. When the word service appears, a lot of people already act that you owe them. The owner will become that person that runs at nights to switch charging cars, and people would be unhappy or unsatisfied if they arent fully charged by morning.

And thats an another too advance scenario on which it would really be just better that we should really be sticking up first with those initial arguments in between petrol/diesel vs electric vehicles.
Disadvantages on making yourself smells like gas? I dont know if this one is really that a serious problem or really just that simply you are really just that too sensitive even on the slightest things which arent
supposed to be an issue. Speaking about taxes then whatever that provides services and making out income then it would really be that always subject to taxation and its not really that something new
on which neither its been privately owned or not then we do know on whereit would really be heading.

In the main question whether there's still those ICE vehicles on 2035 then i would say yes. EV's might really be that be significant numbers in the future but cant really be that be able to
remove those ICE vehicles. It would really be still that relevant but well who knows on what the future looks like and there's no way on telling on how it would be
looking like. This is why its a bit pointless on making out some debates on something which arent even sure to happen.

But in general on which oil/gas/petrol/diesel would really be that still significant when it comes to usage. Not everything would really be that relying on electric
power and im sure of this one.

[romero121]

The infrastructure for the electric vehicles weren't perfect all around. The progress slowly takes place, however it won't be effective to stop the production of petrol/diesel cars by 2035. At the beginning people were hesitant to buy ev, and slowly got used to it as they've got charging station and other facilities all around. Then the high pricing stood as a hurdle and making calculation on the amount spent on fuel cost, people started to move towards EVs. However this couldn't move the automobile industry towards no petrol/diesel car by 2035. According to the prevailing situation and the current production of petrol/diesel cars there is more petrol/diesel required. This means at any point the production hadn't got cut, aln alternate have got added.

[JeffBrad12]

The infrastructure for the electric vehicles weren't perfect all around. The progress slowly takes place, however it won't be effective to stop the production of petrol/diesel cars by 2035. At the beginning people were hesitant to buy ev, and slowly got used to it as they've got charging station and other facilities all around. Then the high pricing stood as a hurdle and making calculation on the amount spent on fuel cost, people started to move towards EVs. However this couldn't move the automobile industry towards no petrol/diesel car by 2035. According to the prevailing situation and the current production of petrol/diesel cars there is more petrol/diesel required. This means at any point the production hadn't got cut, aln alternate have got added.

it just matter of waiting until electric car becoming truly viable and cheap, when the efficiency also increase, in which i'm talking about the charging time and the range it could go, then electric vehicle would start to dominate the automobile industry.
currently the efficiency of these many electric cars are still doubted, even the electric trucks one which was supposed exist to give alternative to those big industries that have frequent transporting needs to help reducing carbon footprint and save up money for their diesel fuel.
there was still no real demand for it, because the efficiency was a bit of a let down, it needs further research to perfect the technology.

[bakasabo]

Honestly gov't quite understand the problem, as the charging station can be on a 1-2-3-... charging ports. Eventually you can put 2-3-4-... pieces of them and get more charging ports

It is not much of a problem, but the question of how convenient it would be to use it. If I set my own charging station in my underground parking with 2 charging ports and leave there car there till fully charged during the night, how can I let someone else use charging port (third vehicle) without going down and changing parking places with that third vehicle? Night is from 23 to 7, my car charges lets say 3 hours. If I want to let third neighbor to charge, what should I do? Wake up at 2 at night, go down and move my car? Of course no one would do that. Make charging cable extensions or separators? Isnt it making a whole process of just charge your car to complicated if we compare it 5min full tank fill of petrol/diesel car?

The problem with charging stations is following in my city - I see cars left plugged in to charging stations on the streets for more than a full charge. People plug their electric cars, and leave them plugged for few days. Just because they dont need to ride anywhere and it is kind a parking spot. The solution is simple - place charging station next to every single parking place, like parking meters in the US. But that gonna cost fortune. Without such expenses, EV's will still be a kids of exceptions, but not regular vehicles.

[DrBeer]

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In the main question whether there's still those ICE vehicles on 2035 then i would say yes. EV's might really be that be significant numbers in the future but cant really be that be able to
remove those ICE vehicles. It would really be still that relevant but well who knows on what the future looks like and there's no way on telling on how it would be
looking like. This is why its a bit pointless on making out some debates on something which arent even sure to happen.

But in general on which oil/gas/petrol/diesel would really be that still significant when it comes to usage. Not everything would really be that relying on electric
power and im sure of this one.

Regarding the forecast, I absolutely agree with you. In the field of cargo transportation, construction equipment, ship transportation, military equipment - especially diesel solutions will be in demand for a long time, gasoline ones too, but to a lesser extent, due to the lower torque of the engines and more expensive maintenance.

But the segment of personal transport in developed countries will actively migrate towards hybrids and electric vehicles! For personal ownership, this is at least more profitable in terms of regular operating costs

[JunaidAzizi]

Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035

The landmark law will require carmakers to cut down CO2 emissions by 100 percent.
The 100 percent cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold would make it impossible to sell petrol or diesel-powered cars in the 27-country bloc. The law that comes into effect in phases that will require a 55 percent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars starting 2030, which is a much higher target in comparison to the current 37.5 percent.

Source ---> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/electric-cars/no-petrol/diesel-car-sales-by-2035-european-parliament-approves-ban/articleshow/97939363.cms

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

Yeah, it's true the world is changing from fossil fuels to electric and solar systems. The fossil fuel cost is very high and people want to get rid of it and the best choice for them is to go towards electric cars. The Middle Eastern countries are fully dependent on oil they export oil and take the money and most of the revenue approximately 80 to 95% on oil and now they want to get rid of it because the world going for electric cars. The prince of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia Muhamand Bin Salam started a mission named MBS mission 2030. In this mission, he wants to change this dependency on oil on time and much. They do think for the future and if it goes the same then I think the future will be de electric cars

[STT]

Cuba hasnt had new cars built or imported since the 1960's mostly and they did just fine for at least ten years or more.   The drama over the deadline is a bit overspun, it wont matter so much except to the companies selling these cars themselves who require the production to be more seamless then the effect of a dead stop incurs on the industry.   
   Can they make new electric cars appeal to the those used to the convenience of petrol, thats a bigger test I think yes as the dynamics of the two products are different and there is an advantage to consumers if they want it.    Very long journeys still are favored by the very fast refill a car has in its energy, outside of that its all navigable.

[GigaBit]

I think no petrol/diesel car sales by 2035 is a dream, as we know that big countries are still investing in petrol and diesel mining so if there are no petrol/diesel cars then petrol or diesel sales will drop, especially since switching to electric cars also requires almost the same power or cost. Moreover, even now in developing countries there are still many homes that do not have electricity.

Such initiatives can be successful. If we consider a few things we can easily understand that there will be no more oil-powered car in the future. If an electric car can be operated for less than the cost of driving a combustion engine car, it will definitely be accepted by everyone. On the other hand, electric cars will not harm the environment, so a user can benefit from all sides. The EU aims to implement this by 2035. While it is easy to take such steps in developed countries, it will not be easy to implement it in underdeveloped countries. Because there are many countries where electricity supply is still not 100%. But with the change of times, as everything is changing, at some point Oil powered car will also change. It's just a matter of time. I hope that electric cars will be adopted in many countries by 2050.

[DrBeer]

Honestly gov't quite understand the problem, as the charging station can be on a 1-2-3-... charging ports. Eventually you can put 2-3-4-... pieces of them and get more charging ports

It is not much of a problem, but the question of how convenient it would be to use it. If I set my own charging station in my underground parking with 2 charging ports and leave there car there till fully charged during the night, how can I let someone else use charging port (third vehicle) without going down and changing parking places with that third vehicle? Night is from 23 to 7, my car charges lets say 3 hours. If I want to let third neighbor to charge, what should I do? Wake up at 2 at night, go down and move my car? Of course no one would do that. Make charging cable extensions or separators? Isnt it making a whole process of just charge your car to complicated if we compare it 5min full tank fill of petrol/diesel car?

The problem with charging stations is following in my city - I see cars left plugged in to charging stations on the streets for more than a full charge. People plug their electric cars, and leave them plugged for few days. Just because they dont need to ride anywhere and it is kind a parking spot. The solution is simple - place charging station next to every single parking place, like parking meters in the US. But that gonna cost fortune. Without such expenses, EV's will still be a kids of exceptions, but not regular vehicles.

Well, I wouldn’t consider such specific cases. Not everyone drives during the day, and during the day you can rent out a charging station while you are away. The charging station can be located in a “common area” and roughly serve 2-4 parking spaces. Here the question is limited only by imagination! The main point remains - it’s easier to implement than your own gasoline/diesel/gas filling station, and the technology allows you to monetize this solution without human participation at the station. I like the concept better - looking for how to solve a problem than explaining why it cannot be solved

[Hispo]

Cuba hasnt had new cars built or imported since the 1960's mostly and they did just fine for at least ten years or more.   The drama over the deadline is a bit overspun, it wont matter so much except to the companies selling these cars themselves who require the production to be more seamless then the effect of a dead stop incurs on the industry.   
   Can they make new electric cars appeal to the those used to the convenience of petrol, thats a bigger test I think yes as the dynamics of the two products are different and there is an advantage to consumers if they want it.    Very long journeys still are favored by the very fast refill a car has in its energy, outside of that its all navigable.

Not cure if bringing the case of Cuba is completely valid as a comparison, Cube has not been able to renew their automobile park because of political reasons, over economical ones. They had to learn how to repair and keep their old cars running by their own, basically.
The case of the European Union is different, they are aware of the problem which the global climate change could represent for future generations so they want to become leading market for EV. The deadline can be moved, sure, but the environmental implications won't let them to forever stretch the deadline.

The autonomy of EV is not very great, that is true, and certainly pouring gas onto a tank is faster than changing a battery.
EVs are easier to be implemented in densely populated zones than in rural areas, where people are more isolated, the EU would not mind if those in rural places continued to use gasoline, after all the big cities are the one which contaminate the most.

[blockman]

There's a sudden flood news and launching of electric vehicles in my country(Philippines) recently. And it's like our government is setting the idea of 50% EVs and 50% diesel/petrol cars by 2040. I don't know if that's going to be possible but with the keep on rising of petrol's price, maybe it's possible as everyone in here looking for a way to save. There are already countrymen of mine that have purchased small EVs. And I think that we're expecting more of these EVs to be launched for the next coming years but I just don't like most of them since they're Chinese brands.

[Uruhara]

The infrastructure for the electric vehicles weren't perfect all around. The progress slowly takes place, however it won't be effective to stop the production of petrol/diesel cars by 2035. At the beginning people were hesitant to buy ev, and slowly got used to it as they've got charging station and other facilities all around. Then the high pricing stood as a hurdle and making calculation on the amount spent on fuel cost, people started to move towards EVs. However this couldn't move the automobile industry towards no petrol/diesel car by 2035. According to the prevailing situation and the current production of petrol/diesel cars there is more petrol/diesel required. This means at any point the production hadn't got cut, aln alternate have got added.

But if the government makes fuel scarce in order to encourage people to prioritize the use of electric cars. So this will force people to switch to electric cars. or fuel prices can be raised to a higher level which makes the price calculation for using fossil fuels and electricity the same or even more economical for electric cars.

But still, without adequate infrastructure, everything will run slowly. Electric cars still won't get much interest if the electric vehicle infrastructure itself isn't ready.

[shinratensei_]

There's a sudden flood news and launching of electric vehicles in my country(Philippines) recently. And it's like our government is setting the idea of 50% EVs and 50% diesel/petrol cars by 2040. I don't know if that's going to be possible but with the keep on rising of petrol's price, maybe it's possible as everyone in here looking for a way to save. There are already countrymen of mine that have purchased small EVs. And I think that we're expecting more of these EVs to be launched for the next coming years but I just don't like most of them since they're Chinese brands.

such target of having 50% of vehicle turning electric is definitely possible, but only if the government help incentivizes the use of electric vehicles, only then the demand for the EV will increase, and then the company that built the ev will also help support the infrastructure, beside from the government action itself in building the EV infrastructure.
honestly it just needs electric plug with big capacity then you're set.
I can see many gas station also making these things available so the infrastructure building needed aren't that massive, its still quite rare right now because not many people own EV.

[blockman]

There's a sudden flood news and launching of electric vehicles in my country(Philippines) recently. And it's like our government is setting the idea of 50% EVs and 50% diesel/petrol cars by 2040. I don't know if that's going to be possible but with the keep on rising of petrol's price, maybe it's possible as everyone in here looking for a way to save. There are already countrymen of mine that have purchased small EVs. And I think that we're expecting more of these EVs to be launched for the next coming years but I just don't like most of them since they're Chinese brands.

such target of having 50% of vehicle turning electric is definitely possible, but only if the government help incentivizes the use of electric vehicles, only then the demand for the EV will increase, and then the company that built the ev will also help support the infrastructure, beside from the government action itself in building the EV infrastructure.
honestly it just needs electric plug with big capacity then you're set.
I can see many gas station also making these things available so the infrastructure building needed aren't that massive, its still quite rare right now because not many people own EV.

In our country, there's already an incentive for those that will purchase and use EVs and that's no coding. That means that you can travel anytime you want and you'll have no coding, I am actually considering that but with my lack of knowledge about EVs and also the budget, hehe.. I might not be able to do that. I'll just wait for more infrastructure to be built in our country with those electric stations for charging, good thing that there are already some in the metro NCR but there should be more in almost different parts of our country.

[dansus021]

It could be a reality but making people change the car is not an easy task.

We might see car manufacturers produce some small electric cars but not all the brands and some of them make the hybrid version of cars. I think the roadmap would be like this Conventional Car -> Hybrid car -> Electric Car -> Future Generation Car ex. Hydrogen Car. But make transition is hard task and need government support.

[wallet4bitcoin]

Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035

The landmark law will require carmakers to cut down CO2 emissions by 100 percent.
The 100 percent cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold would make it impossible to sell petrol or diesel-powered cars in the 27-country bloc. The law that comes into effect in phases that will require a 55 percent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars starting 2030, which is a much higher target in comparison to the current 37.5 percent.

Source ---> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/electric-cars/no-petrol/diesel-car-sales-by-2035-european-parliament-approves-ban/articleshow/97939363.cms

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

Going by the take of people using the internal combustion engine cars, I think most people that are not open to new technology and innovation will want to stick to what they have known all their lives and not change course.

The reason is because, they don't want to learn new 'tricks at old age'. However, there exists a set of people who are crazy about technology and wants to try out the new technology. There will be a challenge in trying to entirely change the system to Electrically driven cars until/except the government steps in with sanctions, which is what the Europian Parliament has done. However, I do not see the posibility of it being global until certain infrastructural challenges are addressed, especially in places where power generation isn't sufficiently produced.

[DrBeer]

Going by the take of people using the internal combustion engine cars, I think most people that are not open to new technology and innovation will want to stick to what they have known all their lives and not change course.

The reason is because, they don't want to learn new 'tricks at old age'. However, there exists a set of people who are crazy about technology and wants to try out the new technology. There will be a challenge in trying to entirely change the system to Electrically driven cars until/except the government steps in with sanctions, which is what the Europian Parliament has done. However, I do not see the posibility of it being global until certain infrastructural challenges are addressed, especially in places where power generation isn't sufficiently produced.

You made a very good point about habits. People of the older generation have a unique way of thinking and a fear of the new. From a personal example: a couple of years ago I suggested to my father (80+ years old) that he replace his car with an internal combustion engine with an electric car like the Nissan Leaf - for driving around the city, and his needs are sufficient with a huge margin, plus comfort and safety. The answer stunned me - “I won’t drive it, I don’t know how to fix it” I tried to explain that it is much more reliable, plus you don’t have to fix it yourself - there are service companies - not at all! “I don’t know how it works, how I’ll drive it, and where’s the clutch pedal anyway!?” )) Therefore, I agree with this - there will still be a layer of people with a similar mindset who will operate “their favorite gasoline car” until their “last breath”, but will not switch to the new technology...

PS But I’ll add - at the age of 70 he became interested in a computer, I gave it to him - and he MASTERED it and uses it constantly for his needs. It turns out that when you want and are interested, there are no fears of something new

[darkangel11]

It could be a reality but making people change the car is not an easy task.

We might see car manufacturers produce some small electric cars but not all the brands and some of them make the hybrid version of cars. I think the roadmap would be like this Conventional Car -> Hybrid car -> Electric Car -> Future Generation Car ex. Hydrogen Car. But make transition is hard task and need government support.

Why would you want to make people change their cars? Why not let them drive what they want?
I like my car, I wouldn't want to change it. It's has a gasoline engine, has a nice sound that I enjoy while driving. I don't want an electric car that sounds like nothing, doesn't feel like there's a machine inside, isn't fun. I'm fed up with socialists telling me what to do with my life. If they want people to drive electric cars they should compete on the free market. Make electric cars cheaper and better looking than the gasoline cars instead of trying to force people to choose by taxing and fining them.