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Title: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 09, 2014, 08:50:04 PM
Launch date - 18 April, 10:50 GMT 17 April, 22:00 GMT

Website:

http://bitmonero.org

BMR rep is the freshest one. You may check it there: https://github.com/bitmonero-project/bitmonero

Latest update of binaries are available at www.bitmonero.org
Links:

Win 32 (https://mega.co.nz/#!VA9wlL4Y!mn0cSmm7y_CQkOaI6gEyEECJj5o59RYFHBUonacQRz0)
Win 64 (https://mega.co.nz/#!NRtyHSiC!CNdgCZvcoEyKNaWakYdwjTee7XMz7sWDSeZPLzrm57E)
Unix (https://mega.co.nz/#!kNlkyISR!To_qRGeJYMJ8fnxlybkQBLpaGQBy8DfkYTja9j2gY1k)
Mac (https://mega.co.nz/#!hEMzBC6L!NALDzcF__Oy-Dks5G7A-FuvTrFYhlpO21J50-BWqqnw)


I'm working on another good feature now, so stay tuned.

Freenode: #bitmonero

[Logo contest - till 28 April - bounty 300 BMR]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=580155



Important: this is not a Bytecoin relaunch or not a Bytecoin replacement but a Bytecoin fork. Bytecoin has its own long history, community and stakeholders we don't know much about. I respect them and their decisions even if I don't understand them now. An intention to relaunch coin is always harmfull for everybody involved. Fork is a right way to contribute to community in case you don't agree with decisions already made.

- Why did I make fork?

- Because there is a number of technical and marketing issues I wanted to do differently. And also because I like ideas and technology and I want it to succeed.

I did an announcement ASAP while a lot of details aren't still defined because the earlier it is announced the more people will be able to join. Details will appear as soon as they will be defined and decided.

Here are details that are already defined and I don't plan to change this:

1. New coin will use Bytecoin(BCN)/CryptoNote code base.

2. New coin is started from scratch (i.e. from genesis block).

3. Emission schedule has a flatter curve (close to Bitcoin's original curve).

4. Bitmonero - BMR (monero /esperanto/ = coin)
    Name. Actually there are several good candidates. I have to buy corresponding domains before announcing name ;)

5. Block target = 60 seconds

6. Penalty-free block size were increased.

CryptoNote doesn't have hard limits: all parameters are adaptive. Max block size is adaptive also. It is recalculated the same way difficulty is. In case miner creates block bigger than 1*CURRENT_MAX_BLOCK_SIZE the penalty is applied to block reward (i.e. block reward is decreased). In case miner creates block bigger than 2*CURRENT_MAX_BLOCK_SIZE such block will not be accepted by network.

For blocks below penalty-free block size this logic isn't applied. I.e. even in the blockchain with all blocks empty you can create a block of this size with full block reward. In reference code this penalty-free block size is 10Kb - this is good for 2-3 anonymous transactions (anonymous means mixin factor is 5 or more). It's better to have a bit more.

7. Decimal point were moved. There are less coins in total but initial block reward will be less than 100 coins. This is much easier for practical use. This is an UI issue only - technically there will be 2^64 - 1 atomic units.



Action plan

- I want to start mining and I don't want to wait a week. What can I don just now?

1. CryptoNote is very different from Bitcoin-based currencies and it has no GUI now. I recommed you to try Bytecoin (BCN) now to understand how to use it. The new currency will be very similar while starting.

2. If you are an Ubuntu user it is much better to update you mining machine to Ubuntu 13.10 because there are all required packages already in repo.

3. CryptoNote now works only on 64bit OSes. Actually I don't know the way to build it for 32bit OS. In order to participate you need 64bit OS.

- I want to help with development / design / marketing ...

Please PM me ;)

- I want to integrate new currency in my sevices (pools, block explorers, exchanges etc)

Please check API pages: https://wiki.bytecoin.org/wiki/Main_Page
API is far from being complete. Please PM me for comments or ask on CryptoNote forum: https://forum.cryptonote.org/

- I want to give you money for this project

Here is a donation address in BCN: 27swAkuqXB2M2YNhxjP9qngei9iRdTsH6b2PX7K4ffpugpf3hqiuRUUQvKLxny2iE1hbUANgF81CXL2 v3AiB45v7SmRaPGd

Translations:

[Portuguese] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563927.0

References:

[1] CryptoNote technology page: https://cryptonote.org/inside.php
[2] CryptoNote forum: https://forum.cryptonote.org/
[3] Bytecoin (BCN) site: https://bytecoin.org/
[4] Bytecoin (BCN) wiki: https://wiki.bytecoin.org/
[5] Bytecoin (BCN) main thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747
[6] Bytecoin (BCN) mining guide: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=544715
[7] Bytecoin (BCN) white paper: https://bytecoin.org/whitepaper.pdf


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: x0rcist on April 09, 2014, 09:03:32 PM
Max Supply: 18.5M
Block Reward (at beginning):  17
Block Time: 60sec

Not to bad

Care to explain the reward structure a bit? Also a pool would be nice if possible!


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: ig0tik3d on April 09, 2014, 09:10:12 PM
how about wallet with gui not only with command line?))


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: eizh on April 09, 2014, 09:21:26 PM
Excellent. Can we vote on the name?  :P

8. Probably merged mining with Bytecoin. This needs a lot of work to be done :-/

Is there a rationale for sticking with the CryptoNite hashing algo? Some issues I pointed out before: 1) the CPU mining phase is prone to botnets 2) Someone will inevitably develop a GPU miner and it's in their interest not to release it, creating a fairness problem.  (I'd personally prefer X11, because it's CPU+GPU and draws much less power than scrypt.)

edit: I actually can't find anything on this algo. Is this even a sound hashing function with a low probability of being cracked in the future? Most of the algos that the crypto community has been using are well-established and created by professionals and researchers (like the NIST finalists).


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: platorin on April 09, 2014, 09:26:52 PM
Does this coin have any new, revolutionary idea? Why does one use it instead of btc/ltc?


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: eizh on April 09, 2014, 09:30:04 PM
Does this coin have any new, revolutionary idea? Why does one use it instead of btc/ltc?
It's supposedly anonymous thanks to the implementation of ring signatures. Significantly more robust and decentralized than CoinJoin, if it works.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: x0rcist on April 09, 2014, 09:32:11 PM
Does this coin have any new, revolutionary idea? Why does one use it instead of btc/ltc?

The coin is not a revolutionary new idea, but its based on a revolutionary idea called cryptonote (https://cryptonote.org/inside.php). Also the fact that cryptonote/bytecoin was hidden deep for the last few years and was being mined by a "big" unknown community the fork would give people a fair start on this new technology.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: smooth on April 09, 2014, 09:37:01 PM
I will be full supporting this.

Did you think about just changing the 2^64 parm to something like 2^56 and keep the Atomic Unit/Decimal in place? I dont see proper a reason on changing the decimal point?

I'm not sure either is a good idea. With a BTC-like model if you end up with high coin values then people then want to switch to mBTC or uBTC because >2 digits after the decimal are hard to deal with.  

In fact I say avoid changing things just to change them.

There are some (potentially) good reasons for changing the reward schedule and for rejecting the legitimacy of the dark web premine unless they want to come out of hiding and show us why their coin is worth adopting and is not just a premine.

The rest I don't really see a need to change at all. Less code and design changes, less risk of unforeseen issues and bugs. The existing code seems to be somewhat well tested.



Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: x0rcist on April 09, 2014, 09:41:29 PM
I'm not sure either is a good idea. With a BTC-like model if you end up with high coin values then people then want to switch to mBTC or uBTC because >2 digits after the decimal are hard to deal with.  

True, but if the decimal is changed to a max of two then you need to have more max supply in my opinion. Im not a prophet or full time supporter of a high coin value when there can be more coins and serve the same purpose. Also thinking about adoption, a max of 2 decimals would make more sense, but then im only talking from an adoptive standpoint for the masses. One thing i learned is Keep It Simple Stupid


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: smooth on April 09, 2014, 09:44:44 PM
I'm not sure either is a good idea. With a BTC-like model if you end up with high coin values then people then want to switch to mBTC or uBTC because >2 digits after the decimal are hard to deal with. 

True, but if the decimal is changed to a max of two then you need to have more max supply in my opinion. Im not a prophet or supporter of a high coin value when there can be more coins and serve the same purpose.

If you don't change the atomic units you can put the decimal wherever you want. It's a totally arbitrary convention. I'm arguing that a model like BTC that starts out with small (2 digit) reward units ends up with small fractions of a unit for ordinary transactions if the coin becomes widely adopted and gains in value. This seems not to be a widely-liked attribute of BTC.



Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: Johnny Mnemonic on April 10, 2014, 05:16:21 AM
I honestly don't see the advantage of bringing the block time down to 1 minute. You're ultimately looking at increasing orphan blocks and decreasing hash power, and all you get is a feature that looks great on paper but has little purpose. I wouldn't mess with it. Apparently the BCN devs wanted 5-10 minute block times but settled on 2 minutes after lengthy disputes. Their decision is explained in more detail here:

https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=20


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: eizh on April 10, 2014, 04:10:41 PM
I honestly don't see the advantage of bringing the block time down to 1 minute. You're ultimately looking at increasing orphan blocks and decreasing hash power, and all you get is a feature that looks great on paper but has little purpose. I wouldn't mess with it. Apparently the BCN devs wanted 5-10 minute block times but settled on 2 minutes after lengthy disputes. Their decision is explained in more detail here:

https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=20

I agree. If 2 minutes isn't fast enough for a particular transaction, neither is 1 minute. So there's no point chasing this particular metric and 2 minutes seems like a reasonable compromise.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: baxi on April 10, 2014, 04:59:33 PM
oh ,I can translate into chinese.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 10, 2014, 05:59:58 PM
oh ,I can translate into chinese.

This would be great!


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 10, 2014, 06:06:03 PM
I honestly don't see the advantage of bringing the block time down to 1 minute. You're ultimately looking at increasing orphan blocks and decreasing hash power, and all you get is a feature that looks great on paper but has little purpose. I wouldn't mess with it. Apparently the BCN devs wanted 5-10 minute block times but settled on 2 minutes after lengthy disputes. Their decision is explained in more detail here:

https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=20

I agree. If 2 minutes isn't fast enough for a particular transaction, neither is 1 minute. So there's no point chasing this particular metric and 2 minutes seems like a reasonable compromise.

Block target isn't only about transaction speed.

It also influences the chance to get block in solomining: with the same total hashrate it's twice easier to find block with 60 sec block target than with 120 secs. Solo mining gives decentralization. This way faster blocks lead to more decentralized network in the beginning.

From another point of view faster block are smaller (less transactions per block). Small blocks are easier to propagate through network.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: smooth on April 10, 2014, 07:11:28 PM
It also influences the chance to get block in solomining: with the same total hashrate it's twice easier to find block with 60 sec block target than with 120 secs. Solo mining gives decentralization. This way faster blocks lead to more decentralized network in the beginning.

From another point of view faster block are smaller (less transactions per block). Small blocks are easier to propagate through network.

You raise an interesting question.

I've seen the argument that faster block times increase centralization because of orphans. But it is true that the blocks will be smaller so the correct comparison is orphans with twice the block time and double the block size (plus header) versus half the block time and half the block size (plus header). I don't think I've seen that comparison.

Also, any coin that is successful wont be feasible to solo mine eventually. The orphan effect has to dominate.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: Johnny Mnemonic on April 10, 2014, 07:36:59 PM
It also influences the chance to get block in solomining: with the same total hashrate it's twice easier to find block with 60 sec block target than with 120 secs. Solo mining gives decentralization. This way faster blocks lead to more decentralized network in the beginning.

From another point of view faster block are smaller (less transactions per block). Small blocks are easier to propagate through network.

You raise an interesting question.

I've seen the argument that faster block times increase centralization because of orphans. But it is true that the blocks will be smaller so the correct comparison is orphans with twice the block time and double the block size (plus header) versus half the block time and half the block size (plus header). I don't think I've seen that comparison.

Also, any coin that is successful wont be feasible to solo mine eventually. The orphan effect has to dominate.


I agree. It's a valid point that shorter block times will increase a solo miner's chances of finding a block, but even with a cpu-only coin it's only a matter of time before pooling becomes a necessity. At that point the shorter block time yields no benefit to the miners, but you're still left with the additional orphan blocks and wasted work.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: Spekulatius on April 13, 2014, 02:11:10 AM
@ OP: Pls take your time to discuss your project thoroughly before you start implementing! If this fork is made in a rush, in a rush it will be forgotten.
Pls take time to think about the best ways to do what you do. Thats all I ask for.

Good luck!


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: fudbuster on April 13, 2014, 02:24:13 AM
thankful for today -

I would be thankful if you stopped creating shitcoins. Thanks!


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: eizh on April 13, 2014, 07:42:17 AM
thankful for today -

I would be thankful if you stopped creating shitcoins. Thanks!
"fudbuster" - a one day-old account going around calling everything "shitcoin".

Do you even understand what this coin is? Probably not - I'm betting you're a teenager based on the depth of these posts.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: eizh on April 14, 2014, 01:58:11 PM
Hey thankful, any update on this?

By the way, I agree with x0rcist that maybe you could just block time to change after a certain block height. 1 minute in the solo mining phase (~1 month) and 2-2.5 minutes afterwards.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: sorryforthat on April 15, 2014, 09:29:48 PM
Has there been anything new about this coin? Has it been put on hold or is it still schedule for release. Also a name?


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: smooth on April 15, 2014, 09:40:15 PM
Has there been anything new about this coin? Has it been put on hold or is it still schedule for release. Also a name?

I'm starting to doubt there is really a good reason for this besides people wanting to pump and dump. The original is starting to get more and more traction in the community (beyond what may or may not exist on the darknet). It will be hard for a clone to overcome that lead.

If anything I'd propose a bitcoin spin-off clone instead. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563972.0

Better chance of adoption to overtake the original, maybe.



Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: sorryforthat on April 15, 2014, 09:52:06 PM
Has there been anything new about this coin? Has it been put on hold or is it still schedule for release. Also a name?

I'm starting to doubt there is really a good reason for this besides people wanting to pump and dump. The original is starting to get more and more traction in the community (beyond what may or may not exist on the darknet). It will be hard for a clone to overcome that lead.

If anything I'd propose a bitcoin spin-off clone instead. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563972.0

Better chance of adoption to overtake the original, maybe.



To be honest I would rather the latter part of your comment to be true. I wonder how BCN would cohabitate on exchanges with BTC and the long list of forks.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: eizh on April 15, 2014, 11:40:35 PM
Has there been anything new about this coin? Has it been put on hold or is it still schedule for release. Also a name?

I'm starting to doubt there is really a good reason for this besides people wanting to pump and dump. The original is starting to get more and more traction in the community (beyond what may or may not exist on the darknet). It will be hard for a clone to overcome that lead.

If anything I'd propose a bitcoin spin-off clone instead. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563972.0

Better chance of adoption to overtake the original, maybe.


There are very good reasons for having a fork instead. With BCN we have a coin that refused to show itself for 2 years and has been 80% mined. Why would the markets accept that? Crypto distribution is absurdly bad (most, even big ones like LTC, have ~50% of coins held in the top 100 wallets). But this is taking it to a whole new level. Not to mention we have a dev team that we can't interact with and a very poorly chosen dispersement speed, with 80% mined in such a short time (compare to BTC distribution which extends into decades). Don't underestimate "instamining" stigma - it annihilated Quark and continues to plague DRK. A currency (exchange medium) is no good if many people don't want anything to do with it.

A fresh start pre-announced start gives a known market history, a fairer and longer distribution, and active development with feedback.

That said, I'm disappointed in what this thread turned out to be. We should've had discussion on the name and the parameters and other things and yet thankful_for_today is nowhere to be seen 4 days from the supposed launch.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: sorryforthat on April 15, 2014, 11:55:07 PM
There are very good reasons for having a fork instead. With BCN we have a coin that refused to show itself for 2 years and has been 80% mined. Why would the markets accept that? Crypto distribution is absurdly bad (most, even big ones like LTC, have ~50% of coins held in the top 100 wallets). But this is taking it to a whole new level. Not to mention we have a dev team that we can't interact with and a very poorly chosen dispersement speed, with 80% mined in such a short time (compare to BTC distribution which extends into decades). Don't underestimate "instamining" stigma - it annihilated Quark and continues to plague DRK. A currency (exchange medium) is no good if many people don't want anything to do with it.

A fresh start pre-announced start gives a known market history, a fairer and longer distribution, and active development with feedback.

That said, I'm disappointed in what this thread turned out to be. We should've had discussion on the name and the parameters and other things and yet thankful_for_today is nowhere to be seen 4 days from the supposed launch.

Refused to show itself? Peopel refused to see it and were blind by the bitcoin craze, but this didnt stop it from growing.

80% mined without a clue of the user base, for all we know it has a user base equel to bitcoin. It is bad for the people who are looking at it now, but until we know more, its hard to really say.

It wasnt instamined though? You make it seem like a fork is needed so that people who got to BCN late can feel relavent with the creation of new coin. Say the dev team was available, you now how much they would have to deal with considering how big this has grown. Not to mention it would contradict their reasoning for a more anonymous currency.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: smooth on April 16, 2014, 12:15:33 AM
Why would the markets accept that?

I can't answer that. I try not second guess the markets, just observe. It seems the original coin is getting more and more uptake, for whatever reason.

Clones always have an uphill battle, as I'm sure you know.

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Crypto distribution is absurdly bad (most, even big ones like LTC, have ~50% of coins held in the top 100 wallets).

And yet, LTC is the most successful alt by far...

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Don't underestimate "instamining" stigma - it annihilated Quark and continues to plague DRK. A currency (exchange medium) is no good if many people don't want anything to do with it.

I don't disagree necessarily, like I said I'm just observing. If this coin turns out not to work the technology is out there and can be used for something else.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: eizh on April 16, 2014, 12:21:19 AM
Refused to show itself? Peopel refused to see it and were blind by the bitcoin craze, but this didnt stop it from growing.

You don't seem to know what the darknet is. Please read up.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: sorryforthat on April 16, 2014, 12:28:52 AM
Refused to show itself? Peopel refused to see it and were blind by the bitcoin craze, but this didnt stop it from growing.

You don't seem to know what the darknet is. Please read up.

Fully aware of what it is, but to say that is justification. It didn't try to be hidden, it was on the web all along.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: smooth on April 16, 2014, 12:32:18 AM
It didn't try to be hidden, it was on the web all along.

I'm not sure about that. i looked in wayback and most of the sites are only a few months old. Maybe I missed something, or wayback did.




Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: eizh on April 16, 2014, 12:38:10 AM
Why would the markets accept that?

I can't answer that. I try not second guess the markets, just observe. It seems the original coin is getting more and more uptake, for whatever reason.

Clones always have an uphill battle, as I'm sure you know.

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Crypto distribution is absurdly bad (most, even big ones like LTC, have ~50% of coins held in the top 100 wallets).

And yet, LTC is the most successful alt by far...

Quote
Don't underestimate "instamining" stigma - it annihilated Quark and continues to plague DRK. A currency (exchange medium) is no good if many people don't want anything to do with it.

I don't disagree necessarily, like I said I'm just observing. If this coin turns out not to work the technology is out there and can be used for something else.


I wasn't observing that poor distribution leads to a lack of success, but that it's simply bad for any exchange medium. We here in altcoin-land are only concerned with profits so we don't think about it, but presumably in the end what we want is a universally accepted currency. But what we're looking at it with BCN is probably a distribution that's horrible even by cryptocurrency standards -- and that's just scary territory.

Right now BCN is being mined as a novelty, but there are complete nonsense coins that get more attention than it in shorter timeframes. Considering how revolutionary the technology is, I think that's explained by the fact that it wasn't "properly launched" from the perspective of the community.

I've been mining BCN and I'll support it just because I firmly believe in the need for anonymity, but there would be a tinge of regret that we could've had something better.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: sorryforthat on April 16, 2014, 01:27:15 AM
I wasn't observing that poor distribution leads to a lack of success, but that it's simply bad for any exchange medium. We here in altcoin-land are only concerned with profits so we don't think about it, but presumably in the end what we want is a universally accepted currency. But what we're looking at it with BCN is probably a distribution that's horrible even by cryptocurrency standards -- and that's just scary territory.

People should read the Whitepaper and not rely so much on what they see all over this forum.

Right now BCN is being mined as a novelty, but there are complete nonsense coins that get more attention than it in shorter timeframes. Considering how revolutionary the technology is, I think that's explained by the fact that it wasn't "properly launched" from the perspective of the community.

Temporary exchanges have been set up, although archaic in a sense, they have been succesful for the coin as of late.

I've been mining BCN and I'll support it just because I firmly believe in the need for anonymity, but there would be a tinge of regret that we could've had something better.

At any point in time all the calculations that we have to go on could have been off. Maybe something was missed or just not understood. So at this point in time the fact that there is 80% is in my mind and estimate that could be far less than we think.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: Snail2 on April 16, 2014, 02:59:06 PM
I like the idea so I'm going to keep an eye on this topic.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: btc-mike on April 16, 2014, 04:36:14 PM
BCN looks more like a proof-of-concept than a functioning cryptocurrency. My theory is the "Creators" (math geeks, mathematicians, aliens) developed Cryptonote and needed a way to test. They created BCN and kept it to themselves during testing. They released the info once they knew it worked. And by release, I mean put up a few websites and left CN & BCN there.

I have been following BCN but not mining. The origins and beginning years are unknown. The "Creators" and participants are unknown. I will let them keep their coin.

If a developer comes along and wants to create a new cryptocurrency using CN, I may participate but I will not be using BCN.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: sorryforthat on April 16, 2014, 08:57:46 PM
BCN looks more like a proof-of-concept than a functioning cryptocurrency. My theory is the "Creators" (math geeks, mathematicians, aliens) developed Cryptonote and needed a way to test. They created BCN and kept it to themselves during testing. They released the info once they knew it worked. And by release, I mean put up a few websites and left CN & BCN there.

It has been stated that the Cryptonote team has nothing to do with BCN multiple times on their forums

I have been following BCN but not mining. The origins and beginning years are unknown. The "Creators" and participants are unknown. I will let them keep their coin.

If a developer comes along and wants to create a new cryptocurrency using CN, I may participate but I will not be using BCN.

Adaption is not far from us at this point, so there is a chance that a fork is around the corner. And not the one in this thread. So if you are not currently mining, I suggest atleast getting a few while its growing.

Currently up for votes on the following exchanges:

http://comkort.com/vote/#BCN

http://cryptoaltex.com/index.php?page=newcoin


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: x0rcist on April 16, 2014, 09:54:08 PM
It didn't try to be hidden, it was on the web all along.

I'm not sure about that. i looked in wayback and most of the sites are only a few months old. Maybe I missed something, or wayback did.

Spot on! There was no data available on the clearweb till a few months back


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 16, 2014, 10:10:19 PM
Looks like everything is ready.
Bitmonero will be launched in 24 hours => Launch time 17 April, 22:00


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - UPDATE
Post by: JjCcc on April 16, 2014, 10:24:54 PM
Looks interesting, good luck with this one.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: sorryforthat on April 16, 2014, 10:35:27 PM
It didn't try to be hidden, it was on the web all along.

I'm not sure about that. i looked in wayback and most of the sites are only a few months old. Maybe I missed something, or wayback did.

Spot on! There was no data available on the clearweb till a few months back

From the FAQ of the wayback machine

Why isn't the site I'm looking for in the archive?

Some sites may not be included because the automated crawlers were unaware of their existence at the time of the crawl. It's also possible that some sites were not archived because they were password protected, blocked by robots.txt, or otherwise inaccessible to our automated systems. Siteowners might have also requested that their sites be excluded from the Wayback Machine.

[Querying whois.publicinterestregistry.net]
[whois.publicinterestregistry.net]
Domain Name:BYTECOIN.ORG
Domain ID: D162497614-LROR
Creation Date: 2011-06-11T03:36:44Z
Updated Date: 2014-04-11T14:16:56Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2014-06-11T03:36:44Z
Sponsoring Registrar:eNom, Inc. (R39-LROR)
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 48


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: smooth on April 16, 2014, 10:47:49 PM
It didn't try to be hidden, it was on the web all along.

I'm not sure about that. i looked in wayback and most of the sites are only a few months old. Maybe I missed something, or wayback did.

Spot on! There was no data available on the clearweb till a few months back

From the FAQ of the wayback machine

Why isn't the site I'm looking for in the archive?

Some sites may not be included because the automated crawlers were unaware of their existence at the time of the crawl. It's also possible that some sites were not archived because they were password protected, blocked by robots.txt, or otherwise inaccessible to our automated systems. Siteowners might have also requested that their sites be excluded from the Wayback Machine.

[Querying whois.publicinterestregistry.net]
[whois.publicinterestregistry.net]
Domain Name:BYTECOIN.ORG
Domain ID: D162497614-LROR
Creation Date: 2011-06-11T03:36:44Z
Updated Date: 2014-04-11T14:16:56Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2014-06-11T03:36:44Z
Sponsoring Registrar:eNom, Inc. (R39-LROR)
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 48


When the domain name was created doesn't tell us anything about what was actually on the site or when. Wayback offers us an independent third part verification of what was on the site a few months ago, but nothing earlier. Do you have something?






Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: sorryforthat on April 16, 2014, 10:56:05 PM
When the domain name was created doesn't tell us anything about what was actually on the site or when. Wayback offers us an independent third part verification of what was on the site a few months ago, but nothing earlier. Do you have something?

The Wayback is not an end all be all to what was and has been on the internet.


From the FAQ of the wayback machine

Why isn't the site I'm looking for in the archive?

Some sites may not be included because the automated crawlers were unaware of their existence at the time of the crawl. It's also possible that some sites were not archived because they were password protected, blocked by robots.txt, or otherwise inaccessible to our automated systems. Siteowners might have also requested that their sites be excluded from the Wayback Machine.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: smooth on April 16, 2014, 10:57:39 PM
When the domain name was created doesn't tell us anything about what was actually on the site or when. Wayback offers us an independent third part verification of what was on the site a few months ago, but nothing earlier. Do you have something?

The Wayback is not an end all be all to what was and has been on the internet.


From the FAQ of the wayback machine

Why isn't the site I'm looking for in the archive?

Some sites may not be included because the automated crawlers were unaware of their existence at the time of the crawl. It's also possible that some sites were not archived because they were password protected, blocked by robots.txt, or otherwise inaccessible to our automated systems. Siteowners might have also requested that their sites be excluded from the Wayback Machine.


You're being repetitive now. I asked you what you have to back up your claim that the coin was out in the public. Wayback machine doesn't support your claim. We already established that before you started going on all bold on us.

What does support your claim that this coin was out in public for 2+  years?



Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: sorryforthat on April 16, 2014, 11:21:17 PM
You're being repetitive now. I asked you what you have to back up your claim that the coin was out in the public. Wayback machine doesn't support your claim. We already established that before you started going on all bold on us.

What does support your claim that this coin was out in public for 2+  years?

This is getting rediculous. There is nothing to support either claim here. But they have no reason to lie and because no one happened to stumble upon the site from way back when, its assumed that it must have just not existed. They have updates, and its easy to say that they could have put that at any time, but why would they? It reveals nothing and deosnt take away from anomitity and the main reason behind the coin. Who knows what site they used to really promote. Its obvious they want to be different from Bitcoin, so assume that it was promoted on sites that have nothing to do with Bitcoin. The mentality about this coin seems to be that because I never heard of it or seen it then it must be new.



Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: smooth on April 16, 2014, 11:28:40 PM
The mentality about this coin seems to be that because I never heard of it or seen it then it must be new.

The mentality is that since no one has presented any objective third party evidence that it isn't new, it might be.

Lack of evidence does not answer the question either way.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - UPDATE
Post by: smooth on April 16, 2014, 11:40:50 PM
Looks like everything is ready.
Bitmonero will be launched in 24 hours => Launch time 17 April, 22:00
+ bump

did you guys check what was on cryptonote.org 6 months ago?

cryptonote.org had a totally different project on it in August. It might be interesting to dig down into that one a little, but I'm not the type to go there.

I did find the super-secret developer on bytecoin.org though!  

http://i.imgur.com/IlGgzj0.png


Not even blocked by robots.txt. So careless!





Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - UPDATE
Post by: slapper on April 17, 2014, 03:42:04 AM
Is the total coin supply also going to mirror Bitcoin? Also please rethink the name. I was badly looking for a "proper" Bytecoin like coin to be released for this generation, please don't screw this up. It has the potential to be a HUGE success looking at the whitepaper.

Bytecoin = 184 billion coins, making it very oversupply, much commonplace, many coins. No WOW.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - UPDATE
Post by: smooth on April 17, 2014, 04:48:16 AM
I'm considering doing one as a bitcoin spin off. I promise it would have a better name :)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - UPDATE
Post by: ig0tik3d on April 17, 2014, 07:51:22 AM
it will be just copy/paste from Bytecoin(BCN) or with some innovations?


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: lunokhod2 on April 17, 2014, 07:57:12 AM
Looks like everything is ready.
Bitmonero will be launched in 24 hours => Launch time 17 April, 22:00

Could you let us know what Bitmonero means?

Also, will you have binaries for OS X that work at this time (After two hours of wasted time, I can't get the Bytecoin source to compile).



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - UPDATE
Post by: slapper on April 17, 2014, 12:49:17 PM
I'm considering doing one as a bitcoin spin off. I promise it would have a better name :)


Cool idea. I am thinking this one is being rushed into. There is no need to merge mine with BCN either. A proper good fork that everyone can hop on to is needed.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: lunokhod2 on April 17, 2014, 01:02:05 PM
The mentality about this coin seems to be that because I never heard of it or seen it then it must be new.

The mentality is that since no one has presented any objective third party evidence that it isn't new, it might be.

Lack of evidence does not answer the question either way.

The wiki entries for CryptoNote and BtyeCoin were created on April 12 and 15

https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=CryptoNote&action=history
https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Bytecoin&action=history

Of course, this is not proof of anything...


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - UPDATE
Post by: graphfox on April 17, 2014, 02:40:42 PM
Bitmonero BMR? Lol! What happened to voting on the name?! Omg if you move forward with such a hilariously bad name you're going to kill it. Please handle this seriously! Better off calling it Bytemonero.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 17, 2014, 08:54:13 PM
Looks like everything is ready.
Bitmonero will be launched in 24 hours => Launch time 17 April, 22:00

Could you let us know what Bitmonero means?

Also, will you have binaries for OS X that work at this time (After two hours of wasted time, I can't get the Bytecoin source to compile).



Bitmonero = bit + monero
monero = mono (money) + ero (bit) = coin (esperanto language)

OS X build is a problem for me. I don't have a mac available for building and testing. In case somebody can help with building for Mac or for Windows, please PM me.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: eizh on April 17, 2014, 09:10:22 PM
Looks like everything is ready.
Bitmonero will be launched in 24 hours => Launch time 17 April, 22:00

Could you let us know what Bitmonero means?

Also, will you have binaries for OS X that work at this time (After two hours of wasted time, I can't get the Bytecoin source to compile).



Bitmonero = bit + monero
monero = mono (money) + ero (bit) = coin (esperanto language)

OS X build is a problem for me. I don't have a mac available for building and testing. In case somebody can help with building for Mac or for Windows, please PM me.

Wait, you won't have Windows available? A launch is basically a premine without a Windows client available. BCN has one, so what's the issue?


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: btc-mike on April 17, 2014, 09:13:24 PM
Looks like everything is ready.
Bitmonero will be launched in 24 hours => Launch time 17 April, 22:00

Could you let us know what Bitmonero means?

Also, will you have binaries for OS X that work at this time (After two hours of wasted time, I can't get the Bytecoin source to compile).

Bitmonero = bit + monero
monero = mono (money) + ero (bit) = coin (esperanto language)

OS X build is a problem for me. I don't have a mac available for building and testing. In case somebody can help with building for Mac or for Windows, please PM me.

Wait, you won't have Windows available? A launch is basically a premine without a Windows client available. BCN has one, so what's the issue?

No windows, no OSX, name that no one likes - i will watch from the sidelines.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 17, 2014, 09:28:10 PM
Looks like everything is ready.
Bitmonero will be launched in 24 hours => Launch time 17 April, 22:00

Could you let us know what Bitmonero means?

Also, will you have binaries for OS X that work at this time (After two hours of wasted time, I can't get the Bytecoin source to compile).

Bitmonero = bit + monero
monero = mono (money) + ero (bit) = coin (esperanto language)

OS X build is a problem for me. I don't have a mac available for building and testing. In case somebody can help with building for Mac or for Windows, please PM me.

Wait, you won't have Windows available? A launch is basically a premine without a Windows client available. BCN has one, so what's the issue?

No windows, no OSX, name that no one likes - i will watch from the sidelines.

I will wait until somebody will help with windows and mac compilation.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCH in 1h
Post by: Jaroco on April 17, 2014, 09:35:45 PM
No windows wallet at launch = nerdy linux instamining coin! Postpone the launch till you have a windows wallet working, or this coin is not better than any other scam coin.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCH in 1h
Post by: tacotime on April 17, 2014, 09:37:39 PM
trying to cross compile bytecoin right now


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCH in 1h
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 17, 2014, 09:42:03 PM
trying to cross compile bytecoin right now

Thank you! ;)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - WAITING ...
Post by: Jaroco on April 17, 2014, 09:55:04 PM
If you want a successful anonymous coin without insider instaminer, you need also a gui wallet.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - WAITING ...
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 17, 2014, 09:56:41 PM
If you want a successful anonymous coin without insider instaminer, you need also a gui wallet.

This is true ;)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - WAITING ...
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 17, 2014, 10:00:51 PM
Current status:

Everything works fine on Linux. We can launch as soon as Windows and Mac binaries will be ready.
In order to make everything as fair as possible I move a launch time  +12 hours. See updated original post.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - WAITING ...
Post by: slapper on April 17, 2014, 10:05:40 PM
Quote
This is an UI issue only - technically there will be 2^64 - 1 atomic units

This and merged mining with Bytecoin... why do we need this coin?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - WAITING ...
Post by: Ebrelus on April 17, 2014, 10:07:13 PM
+12h is good. East Europe can get some sleep now :)

Will there be any pool for mining?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - WAITING ...
Post by: lopalcar on April 17, 2014, 10:09:39 PM
Current status:

Everything works fine on Linux. We can launch as soon as Windows and Mac binaries will be ready.
In order to make everything as fair as possible I move a launch time  +12 hours. See updated original post.

Thanks for this opportunity to sleep peacefully  :-*


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - WAITING ...
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 17, 2014, 10:15:41 PM
+12h is good. East Europe can get some sleep now :)

Will there be any pool for mining?

No pools yet. There is not open source pool software for CryptoNote ;(


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - WAITING ...
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 17, 2014, 10:17:13 PM
Quote
This is an UI issue only - technically there will be 2^64 - 1 atomic units

This and merged mining with Bytecoin... why do we need this coin?

Each good idea must have several independent adoption schemes ;)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - WAITING ...
Post by: slapper on April 17, 2014, 11:40:15 PM
Quote
This is an UI issue only - technically there will be 2^64 - 1 atomic units

This and merged mining with Bytecoin... why do we need this coin?

Each good idea must have several independent adoption schemes ;)

Sure. So this is designed to be intentionally a deadbeat one in order to draw some miners to a black hole with no innovation. Thanks for playing. Your idea to self-implode BCN fork is novelty  ;) Might I suggest a dumber name might be more effective?

Someone with an "independent adoption scheme" of 21 million coins will be a better option.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - WAITING ...
Post by: sorryforthat on April 18, 2014, 12:56:05 AM
I personally think this is being rushed and for what reason? The name is iffy and doesnt sound like a coin someone would want to own regardless of what it has to offer, no schematics released, no website; all of which makes it seem like it has poor dev. Hell I would have fronted the money for a site if it was needed. We could have built a community to ensure the success of a fork, but I feel you may just want to be the first.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - WAITING ...
Post by: x0rcist on April 18, 2014, 01:18:53 AM
I personally think this is being rushed and for what reason? The name is iffy and doesnt sound like a coin someone would want to own regardless of what it has to offer, no schematics released, no website; all of which makes it seem like it has poor dev. Hell I would have fronted the money for a site if it was needed. We could have built a community to ensure the success of a fork, but I feel you may just want to be the first.
+1

I really like the idea of forking BCN but only if it is done properly!
The code delivered by Bytecoin deserves something proper with correct stats (not only shifting the decimal as biggest change).


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - WAITING ...
Post by: eizh on April 18, 2014, 01:40:06 AM
I personally think this is being rushed and for what reason? The name is iffy and doesnt sound like a coin someone would want to own regardless of what it has to offer, no schematics released, no website; all of which makes it seem like it has poor dev. Hell I would have fronted the money for a site if it was needed. We could have built a community to ensure the success of a fork, but I feel you may just want to be the first.
+1

I really like the idea of forking BCN but only if it is done properly!
The code delivered by Bytecoin deserves something proper with correct stats (not only shifting the decimal as biggest change).

I think the most important change is the emissions schedule, but yes, this is rushed. The name alone may doom it.

This coin had no discussion behind it. It was pointed that the block time is too fast beyond the solo mining phase. It was kept without offering reasons. It was pointed out that the name should be voted on. Nope, and a bizarre name resulted.

Perhaps the biggest reason to fork is that it was mined for 2 years without making itself available to the other 99.9999999% of the internet on the clearweb. Yet, we wouldn't be much better if we did a launch without a GUI client and a website. Instead, we were 1 hour from launch without a Windows client, which is actually a step backwards from BCN itself (they released an easy-to-use package with a batch file for nontechnical users).

We need (1) an accessible release with (2) proper marketing (including a different name). Right now this fork doesn't have much of a reason to exist, IMO. There's no reason to release it now and work on these things later, either. All we'd be doing is unfairly mining it ahead of everyone else.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - WAITING ...
Post by: lunokhod2 on April 18, 2014, 07:33:38 AM
I personally think this is being rushed and for what reason? The name is iffy and doesnt sound like a coin someone would want to own regardless of what it has to offer, no schematics released, no website; all of which makes it seem like it has poor dev. Hell I would have fronted the money for a site if it was needed. We could have built a community to ensure the success of a fork, but I feel you may just want to be the first.
If you look at the BCN forums, you will see that ByteCoin will be having some form of announcement at 16:00. It seems probable that this announcement will lead to a re-launch of BCN under fair conditions, and that this coin here is being developed by one of the BCN devs who has a difference of opinion with the team.

Could thankful_for_today explain his role with BCN?

Also, I totally agree that bitmonero is a poor name that will negatively affect adoption, especially if there are two BCN forks launched at the same time.



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - WAITING ...
Post by: ig0tik3d on April 18, 2014, 09:26:20 AM
35 min until start?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - WAITING ...
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 18, 2014, 09:53:37 AM
Windows build is ready. Mac build isn't. Anybody can build for mac?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - WAITING ...
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 18, 2014, 10:28:40 AM
IRC might be helpful for a launch ..

Reschedule for later date?

IRC is good, yes.
Looks like there is no so much mac-only users here. We will start in few minutes.
As far as I see on my mac it isn't very easy to build this for mac: there is a lot of things to fix in code.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - 5 min left
Post by: shekelsteingoyberg2 on April 18, 2014, 10:41:27 AM
I don't think you should launch the coin without a GUI..


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - WAITING ...
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 18, 2014, 10:51:36 AM
IRC might be helpful for a launch ..

Reschedule for later date?

IRC is good, yes.
Looks like there is no so much mac-only users here. We will start in few minutes.
As far as I see on my mac it isn't very easy to build this for mac: there is a lot of things to fix in code.

OK . . what should we expect? Are you going to update the OP, post at the end, new thread, or direct to a website?

I've updated an OP: sources are on git, binaries are on MEGA.
Height is 5, difficulty is 27908. This is a good start.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - WAITING ...
Post by: lunokhod2 on April 18, 2014, 11:04:33 AM
IRC might be helpful for a launch ..

Reschedule for later date?

IRC is good, yes.
Looks like there is no so much mac-only users here. We will start in few minutes.
As far as I see on my mac it isn't very easy to build this for mac: there is a lot of things to fix in code.

OK . . what should we expect? Are you going to update the OP, post at the end, new thread, or direct to a website?

I've updated an OP: sources are on git, binaries are on MEGA.
Height is 5, difficulty is 27908. This is a good start.
This is bullshit. Does not compile on OSX. Though I can fix the malloc error (and the following error), the errors get increasing complex afterwards.

Code:
mkdir -p build/release
cd build/release && cmake -D CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release ../..
-- The C compiler identification is Clang 5.1.0
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-- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/cc -- works
-- Detecting C compiler ABI info
-- Detecting C compiler ABI info - done
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-- Check for working CXX compiler: /usr/bin/c++ -- works
-- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info
-- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info - done
-- Boost version: 1.55.0
-- Found the following Boost libraries:
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--   date_time
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-- Found PythonInterp: /usr/bin/python (found version "2.7.5")
-- Looking for include file pthread.h
-- Looking for include file pthread.h - found
-- Looking for pthread_create
-- Looking for pthread_create - found
-- Found Threads: TRUE 
-- Configuring done
-- Generating done
-- Build files have been written to: /Users/lunokhod/Coin/bitmonero-master/build/release
cd build/release && /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/usr/bin/make
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    char data[32];
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Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: ig0tik3d on April 18, 2014, 11:13:24 AM
someone can explain how to mine from different pc to one wallet?(run server and connect clients)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - WAITING ...
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 18, 2014, 11:14:31 AM
IRC might be helpful for a launch ..

Reschedule for later date?

IRC is good, yes.
Looks like there is no so much mac-only users here. We will start in few minutes.
As far as I see on my mac it isn't very easy to build this for mac: there is a lot of things to fix in code.

OK . . what should we expect? Are you going to update the OP, post at the end, new thread, or direct to a website?

I've updated an OP: sources are on git, binaries are on MEGA.
Height is 5, difficulty is 27908. This is a good start.
This is bullshit. Does not compile on OSX. Though I can fix the malloc error (and the following error), the errors get increasing complex afterwards.

Code:
mkdir -p build/release
cd build/release && cmake -D CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release ../..
-- The C compiler identification is Clang 5.1.0
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-- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/cc
-- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/cc -- works
-- Detecting C compiler ABI info
-- Detecting C compiler ABI info - done
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-- Check for working CXX compiler: /usr/bin/c++ -- works
-- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info
-- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info - done
-- Boost version: 1.55.0
-- Found the following Boost libraries:
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-- Looking for include file pthread.h - found
-- Looking for pthread_create
-- Looking for pthread_create - found
-- Found Threads: TRUE 
-- Configuring done
-- Generating done
-- Build files have been written to: /Users/lunokhod/Coin/bitmonero-master/build/release
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Looks like this is a known problem with Cryptonote. Anyway I will accept patch for OsX into the repo as soon as somebody will fix this.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 18, 2014, 11:15:14 AM
someone can explain how to mine from different pc to one wallet?(run server and connect clients)

Just say start_mining address nthreads to all your daemons. It works more straitforward way than in bitcoin.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: ig0tik3d on April 18, 2014, 11:42:16 AM
someone can explain how to mine from different pc to one wallet?(run server and connect clients)

Just say start_mining address nthreads to all your daemons. It works more straitforward way than in bitcoin.
for example i start daemon on server
Code:
bitmonerod.exe  --rpc-bind-port=1155 --allow-local-ip
after that generate wallet on server
Code:
simplewallet.exe  --generate-new-wallet=example_wallet.bin --pass=12345

so how i can connect to server from other pc and mine?
with simpleminer ?
but simpleminer need parametrs login and password? how to set this parametrs on daemon?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: JjCcc on April 18, 2014, 11:51:00 AM
I keep getting connect failed errors.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 18, 2014, 11:54:49 AM
I keep getting connect failed errors.

Please copy what print_cn commands tells you?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: cryptofella on April 18, 2014, 12:30:23 PM
Anyone know where can we find the current difficulty and how to calclulate profit/time when we have that value and the hashrate. Hashrate can be found by typing show_hr on the daemon.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: shekelsteingoyberg2 on April 18, 2014, 12:31:51 PM
@ OP: Pls take your time to discuss your project thoroughly before you start implementing! If this fork is made in a rush, in a rush it will be forgotten.
Pls take time to think about the best ways to do what you do. Thats all I ask for.

Good luck!

I agree, I don't want a hastily released clone of Bytecoin, please, no.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: x0rcist on April 18, 2014, 12:35:28 PM
not happy with the rush job and the 12 decimal numbers (???) but the blockchain already started so;

i registered the channel #bitmonero on freenode, this is easier for support questions so come join!


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - WAITING ...
Post by: shekelsteingoyberg2 on April 18, 2014, 12:36:04 PM
If you try to fix the data type size mismatch, be very careful you don't change the original intent, meaning the author may have wanted to leave off the high-order bits and place the rest in the smaller data type.
Someone could explicitly cast the data types to the new types, assuming the truncation was intended.  Or just ignore the errors and send CryptoNote a nasty email.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: shekelsteingoyberg2 on April 18, 2014, 12:47:30 PM
not happy with the rush job and the 12 decimal numbers (???) but the blockchain already started so;

i registered the channel #bitmonero on freenode, this is easier for support questions so come join!

You mean this coin is already live?  Why would you do this?
You could have actually improved it.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: shekelsteingoyberg2 on April 18, 2014, 12:50:55 PM
No gui wallets for every platform = pre-mine.

Sorry, better luck next time.  If anyone is willing to actually improve the existing code and give it some GUI, let's do it, but not on a terrible release like this.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: cryptofella on April 18, 2014, 12:56:44 PM
No gui wallets for every platform = pre-mine.

Sorry, better luck next time.  If anyone is willing to actually improve the existing code and give it some GUI, let's do it, but not on a terrible release like this.

I don't think GUI is really the problem. It could be developed later on. What's more important for every new coin is to get miners in to secure the network.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Vilchaco on April 18, 2014, 01:09:03 PM
Starting minning, waiting for merged with BCN!


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: x0rcist on April 18, 2014, 01:11:45 PM
not happy with the rush job and the 12 decimal numbers (???) but the blockchain already started so;

i registered the channel #bitmonero on freenode, this is easier for support questions so come join!

You mean this coin is already live?  Why would you do this?
You could have actually improved it.

i did not develop this, im only a believer of the cryptonote technology and try to be part of a community :)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: jasemoney on April 18, 2014, 01:31:15 PM
works fine, block rewards about 17coin...  There will be other news and other clones now that this tech is in the open.  Use this chance to early adopt or familiarize yourself with how it works, or call it a premine and underdeveloped and a scam and take your bologna elsewhere.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: harihebat on April 18, 2014, 01:35:58 PM
hi,
first time for solomining, and i have a noob question
is it ok if in bitmonerod said block successfully added and have block reward around 17,6 coins, but when i check in my wallet is still zero?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Rias on April 18, 2014, 01:43:30 PM
Congrats on the launch! "Bitmonero" at first seemed to be totally insane for the name of the coin. But I think I'm starting to like it. At least, it is so unexpected that it might actually be more recognizable than all the %word%coins.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 18, 2014, 01:52:00 PM
Starting minning, waiting for merged with BCN!

I'm working on this together with a friend of mine. Merged mining will be released next week.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 18, 2014, 01:53:48 PM
hi,
first time for solomining, and i have a noob question
is it ok if in bitmonerod said block successfully added and have block reward around 17,6 coins, but when i check in my wallet is still zero?


It isn't ok. Say "refresh" to wallet.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: harihebat on April 18, 2014, 02:11:13 PM
hi,
first time for solomining, and i have a noob question
is it ok if in bitmonerod said block successfully added and have block reward around 17,6 coins, but when i check in my wallet is still zero?


It isn't ok. Say "refresh" to wallet.

hi,
i did refresh a wallet
Starting refresh...
Refresh done, blocks received: 4
balance: 0.000000000000, unlocked balance: 0.000000000000

and below are example of block

HEIGHT 222, difficulty:   57384
block reward: 17.588461894932(17.588461894932 + 0.000000000000), coinbase_blob_size: 385, cumulative size: 385, 1856(0/1856)ms
2014-Apr-18 21:47:54.181763 [P2P9]+++++ BLOCK SUCCESSFULLY ADDED
id:   <dbbe4bd600640da35c5bb570320f6b3cebee13f33a7e5d3c073dd59e27bb782c>
PoW:   <fe0509d301b1af50b36b0cfa3bebc94984390788a997cd2534cf261c6ed20000>
HEIGHT 223, difficulty:   57685
block reward: 17.588445121268(17.588445121268 + 0.000000000000), coinbase_blob_size: 386, cumulative size: 386, 1482(0/1482)ms
2014-Apr-18 21:48:25.369547 [P2P9]+++++ BLOCK SUCCESSFULLY ADDED
id:   <e04e89fb1491a2f87cbd73b4cecfe90ee4aceca33064c3a8abf1ddf72df3b306>
PoW:   <2b381cd101ec6459ce97ef6bdcd393bfdd95d57c12d962e697782cb881020100>
HEIGHT 224, difficulty:   57864
block reward: 17.588428347619(17.588428347619 + 0.000000000000), coinbase_blob_size: 386, cumulative size: 386, 1451(0/1451)ms

thank you for your help


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Xdragon on April 18, 2014, 02:21:35 PM
which algo? CryptoNight like bytecoin or not, because I have much lower hash rate than when mining bytecoin??


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: harihebat on April 18, 2014, 02:36:38 PM
hi,
first time for solomining, and i have a noob question
is it ok if in bitmonerod said block successfully added and have block reward around 17,6 coins, but when i check in my wallet is still zero?


You might have gotten an orphan. Do both balances say zero?

hi,
yes.... and i type in my wallet "start mining" (not use simpleminer)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: x0rcist on April 18, 2014, 02:50:19 PM
So it looks like there willbe a total supply of ~18.5m, block reward is ~17 and we are currently at block 271.

Total coins willbe a factor 1000 of bytecoin and it has a flatter reward schedule. So after all it's not as bad as we thought it was!!

thankfull_for_today, can you add the channel #bitmonero on freenode in the OP?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: harihebat on April 18, 2014, 02:53:29 PM
hi,
first time for solomining, and i have a noob question
is it ok if in bitmonerod said block successfully added and have block reward around 17,6 coins, but when i check in my wallet is still zero?


You might have gotten an orphan. Do both balances say zero?

hi,
yes.... and i type in my wallet "start mining" (not use simpleminer)

Did you type "start mining" or "start_mining x" where x is the # of cores you'd like to use of your CPU?

Also, in your bitmonerod.log file do you have any lines that say something like this:

"2014-Apr-18 10:36:39.702998 [miner 5]Found block for difficulty: 55042"

Before you open the log file, type "save" into the bitmonero daemon.



ahh.... thank you sir for your advice, i think i've made a mistake for not include "_"


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: ozie on April 18, 2014, 02:54:49 PM
I have problems compiling this on Arch Linux:

/usr/bin/ld: /tmp/cch0N3UR.ltrans3.ltrans.o: undefined reference to symbol 'pthread_mutexattr_settype@@GLIBC_2.2.5'
/usr/lib/libpthread.so.0: error adding symbols: DSO missing from command line
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status

Can someone help?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 18, 2014, 03:05:25 PM
So it looks like there willbe a total supply of ~18.5m, block reward is ~17 and we are currently at block 271.

Total coins willbe a factor 1000 of bytecoin and it has a flatter reward schedule. So after all it's not as bad as we thought it was!!

thankfull_for_today, can you add the channel #bitmonero on freenode in the OP?

done


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: the_darkness on April 18, 2014, 03:36:34 PM
Mega download link is not working? It just says "temporary error".


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: the_darkness on April 18, 2014, 03:40:20 PM
Mega download link is not working? It just says "temporary error".

Mirror added in the IRC channel. I think this is the link:  https://anonfiles.com/file/557536bff04c9dbb85d290233850873b

Thanks!


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: David Latapie on April 18, 2014, 03:41:40 PM
Is there a rationale for sticking with the CryptoNite hashing algo? Some issues I pointed out before: 1) the CPU mining phase is prone to botnets 2) Someone will inevitably develop a GPU miner and it's in their interest not to release it, creating a fairness problem.  (I'd personally prefer X11, because it's CPU+GPU and draws much less power than scrypt.)
Then go to Groestl, which draws even less power than X11, is CPU+GPU too and better yet reduces the advantage of GPU over CPU.

I personally am explicity against a CPU+GPU algo. Because this means CPU have no reason to mine anymore (except for increasing a little the mining power of a GPU miner). GPU mining means "more money for the richs, less money for the rest of us". Not exactly in the direction of fairness.

Plus, CryptoNote goes beyond a lot of the shortcoming of the bitcoin protocol. CryptoNote uses CryptoNight algo only. Maybe it could be possible to implement X11 on CryptoNote as a replacement for CryptNight, but as stated above, I am against this.

That being said, your point regarding botnets is interesting. I suppose the reason why there is not much botnets on GPU is that server do not come with a real GPU to start with.

edit: I actually can't find anything on this algo. Is this even a sound hashing function with a low probability of being cracked in the future? Most of the algos that the crypto community has been using are well-established and created by professionals and researchers (like the NIST finalists).
Did you check for the Cryptonote or Cryptonight (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CryptoNightl)? The first is the technology, the second is the algo.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: jasemoney on April 18, 2014, 03:46:44 PM
"blocks recieved" is just the new blocks in the blockchain since your last refresh.  My question though, 3 blocks found... Balance 52, unlocked balance 35, why different? I haven't done a save, haven't locked it... and its been a while so its not waiting for confirmation.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: Xdragon on April 18, 2014, 03:51:12 PM
Then go to Groestl, which draws even less power than X11, is CPU+GPU too and better yet reduces the advantage of GPU over CPU.

You are wrong. When mining x11 with fx8320 i got ~460khs and with 270x 1.28mhs, that is just around 2.7 times difference. Sure you can get 290x and do 2.5mhs, but than is just 5.4 times the difference, but you can also have better cpu like i7 4770, fx8350 etc. Mining groestl it is bigger difference between cpu and gpu.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: David Latapie on April 18, 2014, 03:53:40 PM
Quote
Crypto distribution is absurdly bad (most, even big ones like LTC, have ~50% of coins held in the top 100 wallets).
And yet, LTC is the most successful alt by far...
Because BTC distribution is even worse.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: jasemoney on April 18, 2014, 04:21:23 PM
thx mars, so after 60 min they become locked each time? not sure if thats the case because its been over an hour an the other 17 hasnt locked.. could be an orphan? currently shows balance 70, unlocked 52 now...  Guess I should peer into the code.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Patejl on April 18, 2014, 04:30:58 PM
I can't even download windows binaries. "Temporary error, retrying." again and again.  That's pretty bad few hours after launch.
Can you upload this to somewhere else?

EDIT: Work's now!


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 18, 2014, 04:44:27 PM
"blocks recieved" is just the new blocks in the blockchain since your last refresh.  My question though, 3 blocks found... Balance 52, unlocked balance 35, why different? I haven't done a save, haven't locked it... and its been a while so its not waiting for confirmation.

The +#define CRYPTONOTE_MINED_MONEY_UNLOCK_WINDOW            60 change in the github indicates that it requires 60 minutes for your coins to be unlocked. In BCN this is 10. I'm not sure if these values refer to minutes though.

60 blocks unlock delay. This is much safer.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: JjCcc on April 18, 2014, 04:46:36 PM
Here is the failed connection error output from the print_cn command.
Note: windows build


Remote Host                       Peer id                     Recv/Sent (inactive,sec) State                    Livetime(seconds)  
[OUT]86.132.66.110:18080 a44ff43925dced34    1791(11)/1667(11)        state_normal             103                
[OUT]199.188.178.180:1808043d27bfe627efebd    1695(12)/1667(12)        state_normal             105                
[OUT]54.186.177.19:18080 9043f05c54f36351    1551(7)/1667(7)          state_normal             105                
[OUT]201.27.91.124:18080 87d7655a20e4f64f    1695(31)/1667(31)        state_normal             102                
[OUT]148.251.2.141:18080 ee0026af35985fc1    1716(36)/1002(36)        state_normal             50                  
[OUT]143.239.71.93:18080 52b68d5c5fa8a7a5    1743(13)/1667(13)        state_normal             106                
[OUT]144.76.158.69:18080 eaa86739c841f11e    1668(39)/1002(39)        state_normal             73                  
[OUT]50.187.147.123:18080e58b2e417aeff13     1572(39)/1002(39)        state_normal             105                
[OUT]178.64.122.77:18080 8c9e6eeb66e9b86c    1263(19)/1667(19)        state_normal             104            


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: David Latapie on April 18, 2014, 05:24:47 PM
Then go to Groestl, which draws even less power than X11, is CPU+GPU too and better yet reduces the advantage of GPU over CPU.
You are wrong. When mining x11 with fx8320 i got ~460khs and with 270x 1.28mhs, that is just around 2.7 times difference. Sure you can get 290x and do 2.5mhs, but than is just 5.4 times the difference, but you can also have better cpu like i7 4770, fx8350 etc. Mining groestl it is bigger difference between cpu and gpu.
Thank for correcting me. And about the energy footprint, is X11 less energy-hungry than Groestl?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: the_darkness on April 18, 2014, 05:33:17 PM
I keep getting connect failed errors.

Yeah I'm having a ton of them, probably 99/100 attempts. Anyone else have this? I've also found some blocks but they do not seem to be reflected in my wallet leading me to believe they are being orphaned.


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: Xdragon on April 18, 2014, 06:52:28 PM
Then go to Groestl, which draws even less power than X11, is CPU+GPU too and better yet reduces the advantage of GPU over CPU.
You are wrong. When mining x11 with fx8320 i got ~460khs and with 270x 1.28mhs, that is just around 2.7 times difference. Sure you can get 290x and do 2.5mhs, but than is just 5.4 times the difference, but you can also have better cpu like i7 4770, fx8350 etc. Mining groestl it is bigger difference between cpu and gpu.
Thank for correcting me. And about the energy footprint, is X11 less energy-hungry than Groestl?
I don't know exactly, but difference is just few percent not something to worry about. Groestl, x11, twe are low power consumption algos. Maybe twecoin consumes less than groestl and x11, but as I said differences among those algos are just 1-3 % . Sha-3 is far more energy hungry.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: sorryforthat on April 18, 2014, 07:00:04 PM
Right now as we speak a prepared dev is making a coin and putting thought into implementing a proper fork for the community. . Better planning and community outreach would have spoke volumes. I am almost certain you are in this for a quick buck and could care less about the message and the technology. As people we imporve and innovate everything we produce, this shows neither.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 18, 2014, 07:01:49 PM
Right now as we speak a prepared dev is making a coin and putting thought into implementing a proper fork for the community. . Better planning and community outreach would have spoke volumes. I am almost certain you are in this for a quick buck and could care less about the message and the technology. As people we imporve and innovate everything we produce, this shows neither.

There is no premine and there are linux and win64 binaries on release...


Title: Re: [ANN][?] A new coin based on CryptoNote technology (BCN fork)
Post by: smooth on April 18, 2014, 07:04:56 PM
Quote
Crypto distribution is absurdly bad (most, even big ones like LTC, have ~50% of coins held in the top 100 wallets).
And yet, LTC is the most successful alt by far...
Because BTC distribution is even worse.

No, that doesn't explain it. If other cryptos have a "better" distribution than LTC, and this matters, they would be beating LTC. They are not.



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: sorryforthat on April 18, 2014, 07:37:16 PM
Right now as we speak a prepared dev is making a coin and putting thought into implementing a proper fork for the community. . Better planning and community outreach would have spoke volumes. I am almost certain you are in this for a quick buck and could care less about the message and the technology. As people we imporve and innovate everything we produce, this shows neither.

There is no premine and there are linux and win64 binaries on release...

Those were pretty much already available. Innovation would have been beating the creators of Bytecoin to the OSX binary release, this alone would have attracted a pretty big base. This is among many other things would have really helped this along


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Patejl on April 18, 2014, 07:54:57 PM
Isn't difficulty little higher? I still have no block with 15 H/s machine. :/


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: David Latapie on April 18, 2014, 08:19:00 PM
I cannot compile for Arch/Manjaro :( Bytecoin precompiled works perfectly and I changed nothing on my computer since yesterday

Edit: thanks to stickh3ad who sent me the precompiled ubuntu version over IRC - they work with Manjaro.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 18, 2014, 08:20:58 PM
I cannot compile for Arch/Manjaro :( Bytecoin precompiled works perfectly and I changed nothing on my computer since yesterday

Try these binaries
http://www.filedropper.com/bitmonerouxcompiledtar


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 18, 2014, 08:21:27 PM
Isn't difficulty little higher? I still have no block with 15 H/s machine. :/

With 15 H/s block every hour or two should come in


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: creamynebula on April 18, 2014, 08:21:57 PM
Can someone please look at the image and tell me if you know how to properly synchronize the blockchain?
I'm obviously not an expert, but from the messages it is outputting I would say its not working properly.
I just launched the daemon, nothing else.

http://s8.postimg.org/bdzf1w611/bitmonero1.jpg


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 18, 2014, 08:24:25 PM
Can someone please look at the image and tell me if you know how to properly synchronize the blockchain?
I'm obviously not an expert, but from the messages it is outputting I would say its not working properly.
I just launched the daemon, nothing else.

http://s8.postimg.org/bdzf1w611/bitmonero1.jpg

type this command into daemon
Code:
set_log 1

this will let you see every time a new block is added to the chain
type help for other commands


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: the_darkness on April 18, 2014, 08:37:52 PM
Can someone please look at the image and tell me if you know how to properly synchronize the blockchain?
I'm obviously not an expert, but from the messages it is outputting I would say its not working properly.
I just launched the daemon, nothing else.

http://s8.postimg.org/bdzf1w611/bitmonero1.jpg

Your blockchain is still catching up to the current one. Note the ascending number beside "top block". Just leave it running for a while and it will finish up.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: David Latapie on April 18, 2014, 08:38:59 PM
Isn't difficulty little higher? I still have no block with 15 H/s machine. :/
How can I know my hashrate?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Vilchaco on April 18, 2014, 08:47:21 PM
Isn't difficulty little higher? I still have no block with 15 H/s machine. :/
How can I know my hashrate?

Type show_hr on daemon :)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: creamynebula on April 18, 2014, 08:48:52 PM
Thank you both the_darkness and tacotime, it eventually indeed synchronized.

I have started mining but I cant find where is my hash rate displayed, I used "start_mining x" on the daemon, where x is the number of threads I have available.

Also, what is the simpleminer.exe? The bytecoin bundle didnt have such a file, and also there is no documentation about it.

edit: someone else asked about the hashrate, got it.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Johnny Mnemonic on April 18, 2014, 09:01:58 PM
There may be no pre-mine, but not a single step was taken to make this coin any more accessible than BCN. An easy GUI miner is super critical for early adoption, as is a cross-platform wallet that can be used out of the box. So now the only miners are the same few people willing to fuss around in the command line.

Next week I will start my own fork of Bytecoin - another coin based on CryptoNote technology. It will be started from scratch (from block zero). I will write an anouncement today ot [ANN] subforum. Emission schedule will be more flat and block target will be reduced to 60 sec.
If we're going to create a bcn derivative, I think we need to have a serious community discussion about possible changes and improvements in the next iteration.

The only community discussion this coin saw (regarding the reduced block time) the developer ignored outright. It was made pretty clear that moving to 60 second blocks was not the best approach and had zero long-term benefit.

... It's a valid point that shorter block times will increase a solo miner's chances of finding a block, but even with a cpu-only coin it's only a matter of time before pooling becomes a necessity. At that point the shorter block time yields no benefit to the miners, but you're still left with the additional orphan blocks and wasted work.

I'm also baffled as to why the developer was in such a hurry to get this coin out the door. I suppose he was trying to capitalize on BCN's trending popularity, but unfortunately the big picture was lost.  I thought the reason for this fork was that BCN had already been 80% mined, and that we could start fresh and make the coin more accessible to everyone from the beginning, while making improvements to BCN that its devs may not have forseen 2 years ago.  If that wasn't the reason for this fork, then my post should be disregarded.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: sorryforthat on April 18, 2014, 09:10:12 PM
I'm also baffled as to why the developer was in such a hurry to get this coin out the door. I suppose he was trying to capitalize on BCN's trending popularity, but unfortunately the big picture was lost.  I thought the reason for this fork was that BCN had already been 80% mined, and that we could start fresh and make the coin more accessible to everyone from the beginning, while making improvements to BCN that its devs may not have forseen 2 years ago.  If that wasn't the reason for this fork, then my post should be disregarded.

No one should disregard this comment. We can attempt to bring validity to all of this or start from scratch and bring forward a better directive with a message that stand true to the reason behind it all. This rush was uneeded and the only ones who will really care about this coin are the ones who wish to get quick on being the first to mine. If anyone wishes to produce a fork that has more focus and community orient I will be more than happy to support with donations to the cause, whether it be money or web support.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 18, 2014, 09:22:15 PM
I'm also baffled as to why the developer was in such a hurry to get this coin out the door. I suppose he was trying to capitalize on BCN's trending popularity, but unfortunately the big picture was lost.  I thought the reason for this fork was that BCN had already been 80% mined, and that we could start fresh and make the coin more accessible to everyone from the beginning, while making improvements to BCN that its devs may not have forseen 2 years ago.  If that wasn't the reason for this fork, then my post should be disregarded.

No one should disregard this comment. We can attempt to bring validity to all of this or start from scratch and bring forward a better directive with a message that stand true to the reason behind it all. This rush was uneeded and the only ones who will really care about this coin are the ones who wish to get quick on being the first to mine. If anyone wishes to produce a fork that has more focus and community orient I will be more than happy to support with donations to the cause, whether it be money or web support.

I suppose this can still work if the emissions curve is flat-ish like BTC (i.e. not as much advantage to early mining). And maybe if I hear the name often enough, I'll get over it. :\

Is there anyone with the skill to implement a GUI?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 18, 2014, 09:36:12 PM
Is there anyone with the skill to implement a GUI?

There are certainly people with the skill, and most of the GUI code can be ripped pretty easily from bitcoin-qt. The question is how to motivate someone to actually do it.



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 18, 2014, 09:37:29 PM
I suppose this can still work if the emissions curve is flat-ish like BTC (i.e. not as much advantage to early mining).

My recollection from reviewing the code changes is that the emissions should be about 1/4 the speed of bytecoin.

Not much advantage to early mining is relative though. Perhaps you have heard about Satoshi's 1m+ bitcoins?




Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: David Latapie on April 18, 2014, 09:37:58 PM
Isn't difficulty little higher? I still have no block with 15 H/s machine. :/
How can I know my hashrate?
What? 0.9 hr! I can't believe it is so low! I have an i5-3337U (http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2441). I can't other CPU are 15 times more powerful. Is there something wrong here?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 18, 2014, 09:40:15 PM
I suppose this can still work if the emissions curve is flat-ish like BTC (i.e. not as much advantage to early mining). And maybe if I hear the name often enough, I'll get over it. :\

Is there anyone with the skill to implement a GUI?

We need a pool server first, obviously I can do the guiminer when we have that using simpleminer as the miner.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: sorryforthat on April 18, 2014, 09:49:28 PM
Is there anyone with the skill to implement a GUI?
There are certainly people with the skill, and most of the GUI code can be ripped pretty easily from bitcoin-qt. The question is how to motivate someone to actually do it.

I will work on a GUI when I get home from work. I would much rather have a refork if thats even possible. We have alot fo discuss.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Vilchaco on April 18, 2014, 10:07:37 PM
I suppose this can still work if the emissions curve is flat-ish like BTC (i.e. not as much advantage to early mining). And maybe if I hear the name often enough, I'll get over it. :\

Is there anyone with the skill to implement a GUI?

We need a pool server first, obviously I can do the guiminer when we have that using simpleminer as the miner.

It would be great an associate pool with minergate for merged mining ^^


Title: Bitmonero tutorial
Post by: David Latapie on April 18, 2014, 10:18:17 PM
I just wrote a tutorial. Here it is for your perusal. I hope it will help.

Linux tutorial
(but should be very close for other platforms)

Summary:
Two terminals, once for the daemon and one for the wallet and mining
• terminal 1:
Code:
./bitmonerod
• terminal 2:
Code:
./simplewallet --generate-new-wallet=name_of_my_wallet.bin
(first time)
Code:
./simplewallet --wallet-file=name_of_my_wallet.bin
(next times)

Get the precompiled binaries
Windows
Mac
Linux
you can also compile from source (I was not able to do so on Manjaro Linux, but the Ubuntu precompiled work flawlessly)

Open two terminals
For each terminal be sure to go to the folder where you have you binaries (on a graphical interface, the fastest way it to drag-and-drop a file from the file manager then remove the name of the file to have only the folder)

On terminal 1, type this command
Code:
./bitmonerod
Let it sync, it will be MUCH faster than bytecoin, since it is one day old (bytecoin is two years old)
That's all. Don't close (once the daemon is active, you can use show_hr to get your hashrate or  set_log 1/2/3 to change the verbosity of the logs). If you close the daemon whilst you are mining, mining will stop (obviously) and if you open the daemon again the mining won't resume (you must use the start_mining command on the wallet for that)

On terminal 2, type this command:
Code:
./simplewallet --generate-new-wallet=name_of_my_wallet.bin
(I am not sure .bin is necessary)
You will be prompted for a password. Be careful, you won't have to type a confirmation so beware of typos!
Close the wallet with the "exit" command.

Now type this command:
Code:
./simplewallet --wallet-file=name_of_my_wallet.bin
and enter your password. If you forgot your password or mistyped it at creation time, delete every file starting with name_of_my_wallet.bin and start over. Every bitmonero would be lost forever, that's why it is important that you do it just after the creation, before any mining.

Mining
And now the good stuff: mining!
Since the wallet is also the miner, enter this:
Code:
start_mining x
where x is your number of threads (use nproc on linux to know it - should work on Mac too; on Windows, either get a utility for this or use this formula: number of CPU (usually 1) time number of cores time 2 (if no support for Hyperthread, remove the *2)
Or course, you don't have to use all your threads (especially if you are using your computer for something else)
Unfortunately, on my machine/OS, I cannot mine on more than one thread at a time. I don't know if it is my machine or my OS.(deleted the blockchain and resynchronized, works now)

By the way: if you want to know your hashrate, type show_hr in bitmonerod. And if you want to change the amount of  information in the daemon, use  set_log 1 (least info) to  set_log 3 (max info)


How can you know that you are actually mining? Check you CPU usage :-) If it less than 80% chances are you are not mining.

I hope this tutorial will prove useful

Edit: I've been suggested to add my address, so here it is:
Code:
46ctfLBhgyzJm61oTtDfu9GbVhG7ito4fNiQjdZcB5bL3mz5ejQrPD29uEkDHFzCVTHGFqAdG456w6ivYp7K23SiGREUiQe

(by the way, this coin is welcome breath of fresh air after the agressiveness and, dare I say, stupidity of the Blackcoin thread)

Thanks to tacotime (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563821.msg6286508#msg6286508) for the Ubuntu binaries (I could not compile on Arch) and Vilchaco (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563821.msg6286822#msg6286822) for the show_hr trick.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 18, 2014, 10:22:37 PM
I suppose this can still work if the emissions curve is flat-ish like BTC (i.e. not as much advantage to early mining). And maybe if I hear the name often enough, I'll get over it. :\

Is there anyone with the skill to implement a GUI?

We need a pool server first, obviously I can do the guiminer when we have that using simpleminer as the miner.

It would be great an associate pool with minergate for merged mining ^^

I'm looking at the source code for bytecoin now, it looks like it has everything it needs to do getblocktemplate as in bitcoin using the RPC server that bytecoind spins at 127.0.0.1:18081.  Going to look over eloipool now.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: DuvajBalone on April 18, 2014, 11:21:35 PM
why is hashrate lower than bytecoin? while mining bytecoin I have about 5.6H/s and with bitmonero 3.4


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 18, 2014, 11:53:45 PM
why is hashrate lower than bytecoin? while mining bytecoin I have about 5.6H/s and with bitmonero 3.4

Not sure, could be the windows binaries are just slow if those are what you're using


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 18, 2014, 11:55:36 PM
People who want to query the RPC server, you can do so with curl:

Code:
curl -X POST http://127.0.0.1:18081/json_rpc -d '{"jsonrpc":"2.0","id":"test","method":"getblockheaderbyheight","params":{"height":100}}' -H "Content-Type: application/json" -H "Accept:application/json"

Change the stuff after "-d" to whatever from the wiki:
https://wiki.bytecoin.org/wiki/JSON_RPC_API

If you want to use curl, then convert it to compact:
http://jsonformatter.curiousconcept.com/


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: David Latapie on April 18, 2014, 11:57:31 PM
Do you get "Error: refresh failed: daemon is busy. Please try later. Blocks received: 0" all the time? It was not the case some hours ago. I restarted the daemon and the wallet many times.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 19, 2014, 12:10:06 AM
why is hashrate lower than bytecoin? while mining bytecoin I have about 5.6H/s and with bitmonero 3.4

I don't have this issue (mining on Windows 7). It starts low and ramps up over a few minutes. Is 3.4 your stable hash rate or just the initial?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 19, 2014, 12:23:29 AM
So we have everything in place needed for pools
basically

getblocktemplate (HTTP JSON server) --> block header blob --> miners
increment block header blob with
Code:
++(*((uint32_t*)&job.blob.data()[39]));
miners submit blob and block header hash back to server
server submits to network using submitblock
server pays proportional based on shares per round


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: DuvajBalone on April 19, 2014, 12:28:07 AM
why is hashrate lower than bytecoin? while mining bytecoin I have about 5.6H/s and with bitmonero 3.4

I don't have this issue (mining on Windows 7). It starts low and ramps up over a few minutes. Is 3.4 your stable hash rate or just the initial?
I am on win 8.1, 3.4-3.6 stable with 6 threads. 6 threads on bytecoin 5.6 when solo, and about 4.2 when using minergate.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: sussex on April 19, 2014, 12:38:47 AM
Ok, got the miner up and running and just found a block  ;D How long until it shows in my balance? Is there a command to find out?

Or, is there a problem because immediately after finding the block I got this message from bitmonerod:

Some problems at write: An established connection was aborted by the software in your host machine.

I've googled it, but can only find out it's a winsock issue (I think).

Any ideas?????


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 19, 2014, 12:40:38 AM
Ok, got the miner up and running and just found a block  ;D How long until it shows in my balance? Is there a command to find out?

Or, is there a problem because immediately after finding the block I got the message:

Some problems at write: An established connection was aborted by the software in your host machine.

I've googled it, but can only find out it's a winsock issue (I think).

Any ideas?????

Wait a while and type refresh in your simplewallet terminal. It should show up unless it was an orphaned block.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: sussex on April 19, 2014, 12:44:08 AM
Ok, got the miner up and running and just found a block  ;D How long until it shows in my balance? Is there a command to find out?

Or, is there a problem because immediately after finding the block I got the message:

Some problems at write: An established connection was aborted by the software in your host machine.

I've googled it, but can only find out it's a winsock issue (I think).

Any ideas?????

Wait a while and type refresh in your simplewallet terminal. It should show up unless it was an orphaned block.

Brilliant, worked a treat, thanks  ;D

All this command line stuff is stopping me posting inane drivel, so everyone should be pleased..... :D


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 19, 2014, 08:40:30 AM
Twice I've seen stuff about alternate blockchains and successful "reorganizations" in the daemon. Is this common in all cryptocurrencies but simply hidden behind the GUI? Or is this coin particular prone to forking?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: sussex on April 19, 2014, 08:48:06 AM
Twice I've seen stuff about alternate blockchains and successful "reorganizations" in the daemon. Is this common in all cryptocurrencies but simply hidden behind the GUI? Or is this coin particular prone to forking?

Am I suffering a similar problem, if it is a problem?

I was getting blocks ok, but now all I see is "Block added as alternative" messages.

What does this mean?

As usual, nothing about this on google.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 19, 2014, 09:02:22 AM
Twice I've seen stuff about alternate blockchains and successful "reorganizations" in the daemon. Is this common in all cryptocurrencies but simply hidden behind the GUI? Or is this coin particular prone to forking?

Coins with faster blocks are much more prone to forking.

Satoshi picked ten minutes not because he wanted to annoy people by making them wait for their transactions but because he looked at latencies across a large network and concluded that 10 minutes was the smallest number that also kept chain forks to a minimum.




Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 19, 2014, 12:53:45 PM
Twice I've seen stuff about alternate blockchains and successful "reorganizations" in the daemon. Is this common in all cryptocurrencies but simply hidden behind the GUI? Or is this coin particular prone to forking?

Am I suffering a similar problem, if it is a problem?

I was getting blocks ok, but now all I see is "Block added as alternative" messages.

What does this mean?

As usual, nothing about this on google.

This isn't a problem and you aren't suffering from this unless you have mined block that gone to alternative branch. In the later case (you mined block but somebody else mined two blocks in the different branch) you loose your block reward.

This logic is the same in all currencies and in Bitcoin also. 10 minutes were choosen 5 years ago. Now 1 minute is a reasonable minimum. It makes chain to react faster on any changes and gives more chances to solo miners. In currencies with gui wallets you don't read logs normally. If you will you can find reorganize events and lternative chains.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 19, 2014, 12:58:41 PM
Do you get "Error: refresh failed: daemon is busy. Please try later. Blocks received: 0" all the time? It was not the case some hours ago. I restarted the daemon and the wallet many times.

Say "save" to bitmonerod console. This is a small bug in rpc handling.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 19, 2014, 01:22:58 PM
There is a lot of issues with GUI to talk about. I propose to meet in Irc at 20GMT today. Is this time good?

I have some budget we can spend to motivate GUI developers:
1.000.000 BCN and 400 BMR.

Anybody can contribute some coins also for this purpose.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: x0rcist on April 19, 2014, 02:16:42 PM
There is a lot of issues with GUI to talk about. I propose to meet in Irc at 20GMT today. Is this time good?

You are more then welcome to join us at freenode / #bitmonero ;)



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: David Latapie on April 19, 2014, 03:47:13 PM
There is a lot of issues with GUI to talk about. I propose to meet in Irc at 20GMT today. Is this time good?

I have some budget we can spend to motivate GUI developers:
1.000.000 BCN and 400 BMR.

Anybody can contribute some coins also for this purpose.
I might be busy by that time. I have a developper potentially interested.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: djm34 on April 19, 2014, 03:48:02 PM
How long does it take to mine a block with a i7 3770 ?
(just to know if it is doable...)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: David Latapie on April 19, 2014, 03:48:24 PM
I just contacted http://cpucoinlist.com/ and sent this message:
Quote
Bytecoin (80% mined already, was confidential) and Bitmonero (launched yesterday, essentially a fairer bytecoin)
Both are CPU-only, thanks to the cryptonight algorithm
"CryptoNote brings the equality with an egalitarian proof-of-work pricing function, which is perfectly suitable for ordinary PCs. It utilizes built-in CPU instructions, which are very hard and too expensive to implement in special purpose devices or fast memory-on-chip devices with low latency."


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: btc-mike on April 19, 2014, 04:10:09 PM
I just contacted http://cpucoinlist.com/ and sent this message:
Quote
Bytecoin (80% mined already, was confidential) and Bitmonero (launched yesterday, essentially a fairer bytecoin)
Both are CPU-only, thanks to the cryptonight algorithm
"CryptoNote brings the equality with an egalitarian proof-of-work pricing function, which is perfectly suitable for ordinary PCs. It utilizes built-in CPU instructions, which are very hard and too expensive to implement in special purpose devices or fast memory-on-chip devices with low latency."

I will add bitmonero and the cryptonote info to the site.

I'm not going to add bytecoin unless it is added to a major exchange. Any coin needs to be on a major exchange within 60 days. That is one of the guidelines used to keep dead coins off the list.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 19, 2014, 04:13:36 PM
How long does it take to mine a block with a i7 3770 ?
(just to know if it is doable...)

It's solo mineable with that and perhaps just about anything except the worst mobile CPU. And in fact that's the only option right now so you might as well. Hopefully we'll have a pool within a month but the only ones who have an implementation currently is those MinerGate insiders.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: djm34 on April 19, 2014, 04:16:38 PM
How long does it take to mine a block with a i7 3770 ?
(just to know if it is doable...)

It's solo mineable with that and perhaps just about anything except the worst mobile CPU. And in fact that's the only option right now so you might as well. Hopefully we'll have a pool within a month but the only ones who have an implementation currently is those MinerGate insiders.
my question may sound stupid, but how do you know when you have found a block ?
I got right after my message a blue message in the bitmonerod.exe screen but when I check the balance It is still 0


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 19, 2014, 04:29:41 PM
How long does it take to mine a block with a i7 3770 ?
(just to know if it is doable...)

It's solo mineable with that and perhaps just about anything except the worst mobile CPU. And in fact that's the only option right now so you might as well. Hopefully we'll have a pool within a month but the only ones who have an implementation currently is those MinerGate insiders.
my question may sound stupid, but how do you know when you have found a block ?
I got right after my message a blue message in the bitmonerod.exe screen but when I check the balance It is still 0

Type refresh in simplewallet.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 19, 2014, 05:31:12 PM
so, bitmonero blockchain apparently died (lol) and no one is getting new blocks

trying to figure out what went wrong


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: x0rcist on April 19, 2014, 05:31:49 PM
blockchain stuck?

i'm getting errors like this http://pastebin.com/i1cDvfBs, not moving any blocks in the right direction


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 19, 2014, 05:56:37 PM
blockchain stuck?

i'm getting errors like this http://pastebin.com/i1cDvfBs, not moving any blocks in the right direction

Yeah -- it looks like a tx entered the network that violates client spend rule, and now it's in everyone's mempools

If you want to keep mining blocks you can probably temporarily disable mempool, but obviously no tx will go through the network

I'm gonna dump the blockchain now and have a look


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 19, 2014, 06:14:34 PM
Well, that was fun while it lasted.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 19, 2014, 06:18:42 PM
so here's the scoop

Code:
<tacotime> yeah so from what i can tell
<tacotime> blockchain_storage.cpp and/or the rest of the daemon is calculating the coinbase tx subsidies in different ways
<tacotime> it wasn't an issue before, but two hours ago i tried to spend pretty much everything at one of my coinbase tx and the tx hit the network

trying to figure out what in the fork code broke this right now.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: the_darkness on April 19, 2014, 06:19:15 PM
Live fast, die young lol


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Xdragon on April 19, 2014, 07:31:43 PM
so, should we stop mining or what?  ??? i just found a block few hours back


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 19, 2014, 07:35:18 PM
so, should we stop mining or what?  ??? i just found a block few hours back

The current situation is that someone disabled mempool and forked the chain so that the invalid tx doesn't get in the way. But the difficulty hasn't changed much so blocks are being found much more rarely than 1 minute. So you can mine, it's just very slow. A few people are on the freenode channel trying to solve the cause of the problem.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 19, 2014, 08:00:14 PM
fix coming soon, it looks like get_block_reward doesn't work as intended.

i will pm thankful_for_today with some c code to disable adaptive block sizing and set blocksize limits to those similar in bitcoin, then we should be back on track with a hardfork i hope.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 19, 2014, 08:03:06 PM
fix coming soon, it looks like get_block_reward doesn't work as intended.

i will pm thankful_for_today with some c code to disable adaptive block sizing and set blocksize limits to those similar in bitcoin, then we should be back on track with a hardfork i hope.

Hello!

It's allright :)
I have a fix and I will deploy it now.
Hardfork is not required. The problem is in mining code not in protocol rules.

10 minutes, please ;)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 19, 2014, 08:06:37 PM
fix coming soon, it looks like get_block_reward doesn't work as intended.

i will pm thankful_for_today with some c code to disable adaptive block sizing and set blocksize limits to those similar in bitcoin, then we should be back on track with a hardfork i hope.

Hello!

It's allright :)
I have a fix and I will deploy it now.
Hardfork is not required. The problem is in mining code not in protocol rules.

10 minutes, please ;)

cool, sounds good :)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: sussex on April 19, 2014, 08:08:50 PM
fix coming soon, it looks like get_block_reward doesn't work as intended.

i will pm thankful_for_today with some c code to disable adaptive block sizing and set blocksize limits to those similar in bitcoin, then we should be back on track with a hardfork i hope.

Hello!

It's allright :)
I have a fix and I will deploy it now.
Hardfork is not required. The problem is in mining code not in protocol rules.

10 minutes, please ;)

I'm seeing a ton of red in bitmonerod - presumably this is the issue displaying itself.

Do I need to re-download the blockchain? Download a new wallet  or bitmonerod? Just leave it mining and it will fix itself?

Thanks.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 19, 2014, 08:12:43 PM
I'm seeing a ton of red in bitmonerod - presumably this is the issue displaying itself.

Do I need to re-download the blockchain? Download a new wallet  or bitmonerod? Just leave it mining and it will fix itself?

Thanks.

It's a soft fork so prior blocks should be OK, just need to recompile


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 19, 2014, 08:22:13 PM
fix coming soon, it looks like get_block_reward doesn't work as intended.

i will pm thankful_for_today with some c code to disable adaptive block sizing and set blocksize limits to those similar in bitcoin, then we should be back on track with a hardfork i hope.

Hello!

It's allright :)
I have a fix and I will deploy it now.
Hardfork is not required. The problem is in mining code not in protocol rules.

10 minutes, please ;)

cool, sounds good :)

The problem is in block generation code. In one of last updates in Bytecoin there was a bug introduced: it calculates extra-size penalty the wrong way. As a result we see that a mined block isn't accepted by the network. I will consume the big transaction now into correct block. As soon as network accepts this block I will release new mining code to git.

Here is the tx that caused the problem:

id: <f1d8e3391161e4e98566c746d605f97cf432cbd19c83d8b0444e02748f54117e>
blob_size: 20534



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 19, 2014, 08:24:25 PM
I'm seeing a ton of red in bitmonerod - presumably this is the issue displaying itself.

Do I need to re-download the blockchain? Download a new wallet  or bitmonerod? Just leave it mining and it will fix itself?

Thanks.

It's a soft fork so prior blocks should be OK, just need to recompile

Yes. No actions from node operators is needed just now. As soon a fix will be pushed to repo you need to replace old binaries to new ones. But in any way this will not be an urgent issue. The problem now is that nobody can include that transaction in block ;) As soon as it will be accepted network will continue normal operations.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 19, 2014, 08:43:59 PM
The problem is in block generation code. In one of last updates in Bytecoin there was a bug introduced: it calculates extra-size penalty the wrong way. As a result we see that a mined block isn't accepted by the network. I will consume the big transaction now into correct block. As soon as network accepts this block I will release new mining code to git.

Here is the tx that caused the problem:

id: <f1d8e3391161e4e98566c746d605f97cf432cbd19c83d8b0444e02748f54117e>
blob_size: 20534

Funnily this is my tx

Hope to see the commit soon!

edit: looks like your patch worked, as the tx now exists in the main chain.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 19, 2014, 08:45:24 PM
The problem is in block generation code. In one of last updates in Bytecoin there was a bug introduced: it calculates extra-size penalty the wrong way. As a result we see that a mined block isn't accepted by the network. I will consume the big transaction now into correct block. As soon as network accepts this block I will release new mining code to git.

Here is the tx that caused the problem:

id: <f1d8e3391161e4e98566c746d605f97cf432cbd19c83d8b0444e02748f54117e>
blob_size: 20534

Funnily this is my tx

Hope to see the commit soon!

First notable event in the history of BMR.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 19, 2014, 08:47:07 PM
Looks like it's fixed now. Big tx gone into blockchain. You can see blocks in the network at normal speed.

1. Sorry for inconvenience.

2. I'll post about git changes soon.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 19, 2014, 08:47:58 PM
The problem is in block generation code. In one of last updates in Bytecoin there was a bug introduced: it calculates extra-size penalty the wrong way. As a result we see that a mined block isn't accepted by the network. I will consume the big transaction now into correct block. As soon as network accepts this block I will release new mining code to git.

Here is the tx that caused the problem:

id: <f1d8e3391161e4e98566c746d605f97cf432cbd19c83d8b0444e02748f54117e>
blob_size: 20534

Funnily this is my tx

Hope to see the commit soon!

edit: looks like your patch worked, as the tx now exists in the main chain.

Thank you for this problem. This is the way software becomes better.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 19, 2014, 08:57:10 PM
It's up on git. Can someone compile the Windows binary?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: x0rcist on April 19, 2014, 08:57:15 PM
The problem is in block generation code. In one of last updates in Bytecoin there was a bug introduced: it calculates extra-size penalty the wrong way. As a result we see that a mined block isn't accepted by the network. I will consume the big transaction now into correct block. As soon as network accepts this block I will release new mining code to git.

Here is the tx that caused the problem:

id: <f1d8e3391161e4e98566c746d605f97cf432cbd19c83d8b0444e02748f54117e>
blob_size: 20534

Funnily this is my tx

Hope to see the commit soon!

edit: looks like your patch worked, as the tx now exists in the main chain.

Thank you for this problem. This is the way software becomes better.

Thank you for fixing it. But also, come join us on freenode.
We where just discussing this tx bug before you got back ;)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 19, 2014, 08:59:15 PM

The problem is in block generation code. In one of last updates in Bytecoin there was a bug introduced: it calculates extra-size penalty the wrong way. As a result we see that a mined block isn't accepted by the network. I will consume the big transaction now into correct block. As soon as network accepts this block I will release new mining code to git.

Here is the tx that caused the problem:

id: <f1d8e3391161e4e98566c746d605f97cf432cbd19c83d8b0444e02748f54117e>
blob_size: 20534


Does BCN still possess this issue?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 19, 2014, 09:02:46 PM
Looks like it's fixed now. Big tx gone into blockchain. You can see blocks in the network at normal speed.

1. Sorry for inconvenience.

2. I'll post about git changes soon.

Git updated. BUT: I don't recomment to update all nodes now due to following reasons:

- this patch isn't tested properly (=> can cause some other unknown problems)
- network operates normally without this patch (it doesn't change any protocol logic)

Let's wait 1-2 days before updating all nodes. Old code works the right way in most cases except transactions bigger than 20Kb.
In case such big (>20Kb) transaction will appear again it will be included by patched nodes and this will not influence network very much.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 19, 2014, 09:04:54 PM
It's up on git. Can someone compile the Windows binary?

Please see my comments below: patch wasn't tested properly. It's better to stay 1-2 days with some node not patched. This will help in case of problems with this patch.

The absense of this patch doesn't influence miner's income in most cases.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: sussex on April 19, 2014, 09:08:58 PM
It's up on git. Can someone compile the Windows binary?

Please see my comments below: patch wasn't tested properly. It's better to stay 1-2 days with some node not patched. This will help in case of problems with this patch.

The absense of this patch doesn't influence miner's income in most cases.

Sorry, I'm confused, can we continue mining with the wallet and bitmonerod from yesterday?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 19, 2014, 09:10:49 PM
It's up on git. Can someone compile the Windows binary?

Please see my comments below: patch wasn't tested properly. It's better to stay 1-2 days with some node not patched. This will help in case of problems with this patch.

The absense of this patch doesn't influence miner's income in most cases.

Sorry, I'm confused, can we continue mining with the wallet and bitmonerod from yesterday?

The tx that was causing the problem has been accepted into a block, so yes you can keep using yesterday's version.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 19, 2014, 09:11:13 PM
It's up on git. Can someone compile the Windows binary?

Please see my comments below: patch wasn't tested properly. It's better to stay 1-2 days with some node not patched. This will help in case of problems with this patch.

The absense of this patch doesn't influence miner's income in most cases.

Sorry, I'm confused, can we continue mining with the wallet and bitmonerod from yesterday?

Yes, you can.

The problem with the block chain being stalled was caused by no one having the patch. As long as some nodes have the patch, everyone else can continue using the old code.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 19, 2014, 09:18:36 PM

The problem is in block generation code. In one of last updates in Bytecoin there was a bug introduced: it calculates extra-size penalty the wrong way. As a result we see that a mined block isn't accepted by the network. I will consume the big transaction now into correct block. As soon as network accepts this block I will release new mining code to git.

Here is the tx that caused the problem:

id: <f1d8e3391161e4e98566c746d605f97cf432cbd19c83d8b0444e02748f54117e>
blob_size: 20534


Does BCN still possess this issue?

Probably yes, but it doesn't influences network operations as much as in BMR. Why? I suppose that there is a number of BCN nodes using old or very old mining code. This bug has been introduced a week or two ago and BMR has been started from last snapshoot of BCN code and we met this problem.

This way there is no real problem with BCN even with a bug in last commits. But I've sent them an e-mail.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: the_darkness on April 19, 2014, 09:20:45 PM

The problem is in block generation code. In one of last updates in Bytecoin there was a bug introduced: it calculates extra-size penalty the wrong way. As a result we see that a mined block isn't accepted by the network. I will consume the big transaction now into correct block. As soon as network accepts this block I will release new mining code to git.

Here is the tx that caused the problem:

id: <f1d8e3391161e4e98566c746d605f97cf432cbd19c83d8b0444e02748f54117e>
blob_size: 20534


Does BCN still possess this issue?

Probably yes, but it doesn't influences network operations as much as in BMR. Why? I suppose that there is a number of BCN nodes using old or very old mining code. This bug has been introduced a week or two ago and BMR has been started from last snapshoot of BCN code and we met this problem.

This way there is no real problem with BCN even with a bug in last commits. But I've sent them an e-mail.

Just wanted to say good job on a quick recovery and sorting out what sounds like a tricky problem.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 19, 2014, 09:23:47 PM
You changed a lot of the code. What are the consequences? Previously the tx's were sorted more thoroughly.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 19, 2014, 09:27:23 PM
It's up on git. Can someone compile the Windows binary?

Please see my comments below: patch wasn't tested properly. It's better to stay 1-2 days with some node not patched. This will help in case of problems with this patch.

The absense of this patch doesn't influence miner's income in most cases.

Sorry, I'm confused, can we continue mining with the wallet and bitmonerod from yesterday?

Yes, you can.

The problem with the block chain being stalled was caused by no one having the patch. As long as some nodes have the patch, everyone else can continue using the old code.


I confirm this is correct.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 19, 2014, 09:40:12 PM
You changed a lot of the code. What are the consequences? Previously the tx's were sorted more thoroughly.

2 changed files with 14 additions and 47 deletions. I hope that nothing bad can happen. But we have to be careful ;)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: sussex on April 19, 2014, 09:42:24 PM
OK, prolly nothing, but I now have a sea of red complaining about found future peerlist all for the same IP..... it has complained about this six times in the last ten minutes.

On the upside, I found a block !!!!


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 19, 2014, 09:42:37 PM
You changed a lot of the code. What are the consequences? Previously the tx's were sorted more thoroughly.

2 changed files with 14 additions and 47 deletions. I hope that nothing bad can happen. But we have to be careful ;)

I wasn't implying the changes were dangerous, but I was wondering how mining fees changed quantitatively (I think that's what the removed code affects?).


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: the_darkness on April 19, 2014, 10:01:02 PM
You changed a lot of the code. What are the consequences? Previously the tx's were sorted more thoroughly.

2 changed files with 14 additions and 47 deletions. I hope that nothing bad can happen. But we have to be careful ;)

I wasn't implying the changes were dangerous, but I was wondering how mining fees changed quantitatively (I think that's what the removed code affects?).

I happened to just find a block and it looks to be about the same amount as previously (~17.5 BMR).


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 20, 2014, 01:11:01 AM
I happened to just find a block and it looks to be about the same amount as previously (~17.5 BMR).

The changes (maybe) affect the transaction fees, not the block reward.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 20, 2014, 01:33:25 AM
Auctioning 100 BMR minimum bid 0.001 btc

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577296


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 20, 2014, 01:54:09 AM
Auctioning 100 BMR minimum bid 0.001 btc

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577296


Interesting way to discover the price, if anyone bids. But the first post is not really informative so I think you should explain the coin in the auction itself. We keep using phrases like "based on CryptoNote technology" but the vast majority aren't going to bother looking up what that means. Which is a shame because this is not a BTC fork and deserves more attention.

On a related note, this topic's first post should also be more informative. Links to BCN or the CrpytoNote website should be secondary to explaining everything right here (including the ring signatures). Most people don't have the initiative to do 5 minutes of research.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 20, 2014, 02:03:40 AM
Auctioning 100 BMR minimum bid 0.001 btc

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577296


Interesting way to discover the price, if anyone bids. But the first post is not really informative so I think you should explain the coin in the auction itself. We keep using phrases like "based on CryptoNote technology" but the vast majority aren't going to bother looking up what that means. Which is a shame because this is not a BTC fork and deserves more attention.

On a related note, this topic's first post should also be more informative. Links to BCN or the CrpytoNote website should be secondary to explaining everything right here (including the ring signatures). Most people don't have the initiative to do 5 minutes of research.

It has a link to here. This thread should be more informative, I agree with that.




Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 20, 2014, 03:09:31 AM
I'd also recommend making the title more attention-grabbing. At a minimum add "fully anonymous" to the title:

[ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new fully anonymous coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED

Or more techy:

[ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin using ring signatures for full anonymity (based on CryptoNote technology) - LAUNCHED


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 20, 2014, 03:11:28 AM
Good suggestions.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Spekulatius on April 20, 2014, 03:18:47 AM
Hi,

I started the daemon up and it seems done catching up with the block chain. Starting simplewallet.exe I encounter a problem:

Code:
2014-Apr-20 05:09:50.458935 bitmonero wallet v0.8.5.294(0.1-g147aac7)
2014-Apr-20 05:09:52.226036 ERROR ..\..\src\wallet\wallet2.cpp:430 e || !exists. THROW EXCEPTION: error::file_not_found
2014-Apr-20 05:09:52.226036 ..\..\src\wallet\wallet2.cpp:430:struct tools::error::file_error_base<1>: file not found "mein_wallet.bin.keys"
2014-Apr-20 05:09:52.226036 Error: failed to load wallet: file not found "mein_wallet.bin.keys"
2014-Apr-20 05:09:52.229036 ERROR ..\..\src\simplewallet\simplewallet.cpp:254 could not open account
2014-Apr-20 05:09:52.229036 ERROR ..\..\src\simplewallet\simplewallet.cpp:909 Failed to initialize wallet

I use the following parameter with my simplewallet.exe-short cut: simplewallet --wallet-file=mein_wallet.bin
What am I doing wrong?
How can I start mining?

Thx


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: the_darkness on April 20, 2014, 03:36:16 AM
I'd also recommend making the title more attention-grabbing. At a minimum add "fully anonymous" to the title:

[ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new fully anonymous coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED

Or more techy:

[ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin using ring signatures for full anonymity (based on CryptoNote technology) - LAUNCHED

Agreed, good idea.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 20, 2014, 03:42:02 AM
Hi,

I started the daemon up and it seems done catching up with the block chain. Starting simplewallet.exe I encounter a problem:

Code:
2014-Apr-20 05:09:50.458935 bitmonero wallet v0.8.5.294(0.1-g147aac7)
2014-Apr-20 05:09:52.226036 ERROR ..\..\src\wallet\wallet2.cpp:430 e || !exists. THROW EXCEPTION: error::file_not_found
2014-Apr-20 05:09:52.226036 ..\..\src\wallet\wallet2.cpp:430:struct tools::error::file_error_base<1>: file not found "mein_wallet.bin.keys"
2014-Apr-20 05:09:52.226036 Error: failed to load wallet: file not found "mein_wallet.bin.keys"
2014-Apr-20 05:09:52.229036 ERROR ..\..\src\simplewallet\simplewallet.cpp:254 could not open account
2014-Apr-20 05:09:52.229036 ERROR ..\..\src\simplewallet\simplewallet.cpp:909 Failed to initialize wallet

I use the following parameter with my simplewallet.exe-short cut: simplewallet --wallet-file=mein_wallet.bin
What am I doing wrong?
How can I start mining?

Thx

You're missing "mein_wallet.bin.keys". Did you generate a wallet? The command will be:

simplewallet --generate-new-wallet=mein_wallet.bin --pass=123

The password can be anything you want (123 here as an example).


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: nicemycoin on April 20, 2014, 04:01:38 AM
how about wallet with gui not only with command line?))


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 20, 2014, 04:02:03 AM
how about wallet with gui not only with command line?))

Someone claimed to be working on it a few posts back


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 20, 2014, 05:54:23 AM
how about wallet with gui not only with command line?))

it is being worked on

a botnet or cloud has come onto the network starting at block 2633, difficulty is now almost 100k!


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 20, 2014, 05:55:49 AM
We had our first public trade, although I haven't heard from the buyer about settling it.

100 BMR = 0.005 BTC

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577296.0


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 20, 2014, 08:32:09 AM
We had our first public trade, although I haven't heard from the buyer about settling it.

100 BMR = 0.005 BTC

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577296.0

Yes, I'll be buying those. I just did it to be first (sorry, David). Some day this will look silly - either because it's worth nothing or much more. ;)

edit: Trade finished. The BMR wallet works.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 20, 2014, 10:12:08 AM
how about wallet with gui not only with command line?))

it is being worked on

a botnet or cloud has come onto the network starting at block 2633, difficulty is now almost 100k!

Maybe BCN miners from this forum switching over? I think thankful previously said hashrate can be estimated with difficulty/120. Earlier today it was 70k, so this corresponds to perhaps +250 H/s, or ~50 CPUs. Possible botnet, but you could also pull this off with a cloud subscription.

In any case, the solo mining phase may be over soon. We need some sort of pool implementation.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Vilchaco on April 20, 2014, 10:19:07 AM
how about wallet with gui not only with command line?))

it is being worked on

a botnet or cloud has come onto the network starting at block 2633, difficulty is now almost 100k!

Maybe BCN miners from this forum switching over? I think thankful previously said hashrate can be estimated with difficulty/120. Earlier today it was 70k, so this corresponds to perhaps +250 H/s, or ~50 CPUs. Possible botnet, but you could also pull this off with a cloud subscription.

In any case, the solo mining phase may be over soon. We need some sort of pool implementation.

BCN difficulty has fallen from 1,2M to 900k :D


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 20, 2014, 10:20:01 AM
In any case, the solo mining phase may be over soon. We need some sort of pool implementation.

But, but, but...60 second blocks!


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: x0rcist on April 20, 2014, 11:19:43 AM
TFT can you add the Dutch translation to the OP; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=565400

Also regged a subreddit so if anyone wants to help start building /r/bitmonero ..  ;)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: cocoakrispies on April 20, 2014, 11:41:05 AM
how about wallet with gui not only with command line?))

it is being worked on

a botnet or cloud has come onto the network starting at block 2633, difficulty is now almost 100k!

Maybe BCN miners from this forum switching over? I think thankful previously said hashrate can be estimated with difficulty/120. Earlier today it was 70k, so this corresponds to perhaps +250 H/s, or ~50 CPUs. Possible botnet, but you could also pull this off with a cloud subscription.

In any case, the solo mining phase may be over soon. We need some sort of pool implementation.

BCN difficulty has fallen from 1,2M to 900k :D

Was it a botnet or is this just the difficulty recalculating? We were at 73000 before taco killed the network ( ;D ) . . then it fell to 50000 to compensate for the increased time to find blocks (I'm sure we were all very lucky last night) . . and then it shot up a little while after the network was repaired . . and now it's going back down to I assume the 70k's difficulty.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: David Latapie on April 20, 2014, 02:49:03 PM
my question may sound stupid, but how do you know when you have found a block ?
After opening up your wallet or typing refresh, you will get three transactions: one for 0.5 BMR, one for 7 BMR and onr for 10 BMR. Yes, there will be "transaction", not "mining". Of course, it could someone sending you in a row 0.5, 7 then 10 :)

There is presently no way I am aware of to have a history of found block. If you found a block yesterday, closed the wallet in the evening and open it up today, closed it again and reopened it, you have no way to know you found a block except by looking at your balance (provided you remember of much you had).


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: David Latapie on April 20, 2014, 03:01:00 PM
Bitmonero cheatsheet

Code:
./bitmonerod     (start_mining, stop_mining, exit, save)
./simplewallet         (start_mining, stop_mining, exit, refresh)

./simplewallet --generate-new-wallet=bitmonero_wallet.bin
./simplewallet --wallet-file=bitmonero_wallet.bin

./simpleminer (don't know why to use it, since simplewallet is enough for mining on max threads)
connectivity_tool (don't know why to use it for)

./simpleminer and connectivity_tool, I don't see the use of them


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: jasemoney on April 20, 2014, 03:10:14 PM
havent found a block in ~2600  Hashrate 11  :/


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: David Latapie on April 20, 2014, 03:13:26 PM
Yes, I'll be buying those. I just did it to be first (sorry, David).
Don't be sorry :) First, it is the game and second and most importantly, my goal was less to get BMR than to initiate the trading. See me as lazlo buying pizzas in 2010: not doing it for pizzas, but doing it for the crypto :)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: David Latapie on April 20, 2014, 03:15:06 PM
I will add bitmonero and the cryptonote info to the site.
Thank you. I guess you did not have time to do it yet, I see nothing on the website.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: GreekBitcoin on April 20, 2014, 03:31:37 PM
I have 13,381.55 bytecoins. Anyone wants to trade for bitmonero?


also where do i get a list of commands? I want for example to get address and send coins...

P.S. As far as i can tell right now this is the only cpu coin that exists? Maybe riecoin too but not for long.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: pozmu on April 20, 2014, 03:43:33 PM
Type help to get list of commands

I think there are more cpu coins, primecoin, yacoin etc.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: zhouhuiyan520 on April 20, 2014, 04:50:04 PM
I'm looking at the source code for bytecoin now, it looks like it has everything it needs to do getblocktemplate as in bitcoin using the RPC server that bytecoind spins at 127.0.0.1:18081.  Going to look over eloipool now


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Spekulatius on April 20, 2014, 04:59:08 PM
Hi,

I started the daemon up and it seems done catching up with the block chain. Starting simplewallet.exe I encounter a problem:

Code:
2014-Apr-20 05:09:50.458935 bitmonero wallet v0.8.5.294(0.1-g147aac7)
2014-Apr-20 05:09:52.226036 ERROR ..\..\src\wallet\wallet2.cpp:430 e || !exists. THROW EXCEPTION: error::file_not_found
2014-Apr-20 05:09:52.226036 ..\..\src\wallet\wallet2.cpp:430:struct tools::error::file_error_base<1>: file not found "mein_wallet.bin.keys"
2014-Apr-20 05:09:52.226036 Error: failed to load wallet: file not found "mein_wallet.bin.keys"
2014-Apr-20 05:09:52.229036 ERROR ..\..\src\simplewallet\simplewallet.cpp:254 could not open account
2014-Apr-20 05:09:52.229036 ERROR ..\..\src\simplewallet\simplewallet.cpp:909 Failed to initialize wallet

I use the following parameter with my simplewallet.exe-short cut: simplewallet --wallet-file=mein_wallet.bin
What am I doing wrong?
How can I start mining?

Thx

You're missing "mein_wallet.bin.keys". Did you generate a wallet? The command will be:

simplewallet --generate-new-wallet=mein_wallet.bin --pass=123

The password can be anything you want (123 here as an example).

ty that helped alot :)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 20, 2014, 06:25:29 PM
havent found a block in ~2600  Hashrate 11  :/

You should get at least a few blocks per day... keep mining :)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: emontmon on April 20, 2014, 07:08:33 PM
I am new to cryptocurrencies. Some of you are so familiar with the process that complicated steps are deemed simple to you. With that said I was able to download and mine bytecoin bcn. As of today I can not download bitmonero for windows. This I believe is  rush job attempting to be first to market and increase profit margin on very early knowledgeable adapters. There was no attempt to move forward cryptonote vision. No attempt to improve on the delivery or execution of bytecoin bcn.  If I can download and mine bcn and cant do the same for bitmonero, this I think implies poor execution. I use myself as a basis because I did not even know what a cmd line was until 3 weeks ago.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: cocoakrispies on April 20, 2014, 07:21:17 PM
I am new to cryptocurrencies. Some of you are so familiar with the process that complicated steps are deemed simple to you. With that said I was able to download and mine bytecoin bcn. As of today I can not download bitmonero for windows. This I believe is  rush job attempting to be first to market and increase profit margin on very early knowledgeable adapters. There was no attempt to move forward cryptonote vision. No attempt to improve on the delivery or execution of bytecoin bcn.  If I can download and mine bcn and cant do the same for bitmonero, this I think implies poor execution. I use myself as a basis because I did not even know what a cmd line was until 3 weeks ago.


But what you're missing is that there are people here, including the developer, willing to help you on a daily basis. Perfect example is that there is an IRC channel designed to help you along with this thread so that you can be helped to solve your problems.

I'm willing to help as well, as I've had no issues and am using windows 7. If that sounds like your situation then I think I can be of help.

Do you need a link to the download file, or are you having problems with installation?

There was no 'immediate' need to move forward with CN vision. They are looking for people to fork the coin, thus it was forked. What do you think needs changed? If you have ideas then please share them, because the main way to move the 'vision' forward is in a dynamic environment . . not a static one for weeks.

Already, there was a change in the original source that was used because it acted the wrong way. This seems like the perfect example of how the 'vision' moves forward. The attempt is in the fact that every day you come back and more people are interested, and that it's still here and getting better. Not that someone figured out everything before you ever entered the picture. You can be a part of this so if you have ideas share them.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 20, 2014, 07:32:20 PM
I am new to cryptocurrencies. Some of you are so familiar with the process that complicated steps are deemed simple to you. With that said I was able to download and mine bytecoin bcn. As of today I can not download bitmonero for windows. This I believe is  rush job attempting to be first to market and increase profit margin on very early knowledgeable adapters. There was no attempt to move forward cryptonote vision. No attempt to improve on the delivery or execution of bytecoin bcn.  If I can download and mine bcn and cant do the same for bitmonero, this I think implies poor execution. I use myself as a basis because I did not even know what a cmd line was until 3 weeks ago.


Open up NotePad, copy-paste the following, and save it as run.bat (make sure the actual file type is .bat and not .txt). Put it in the same folder as the bitmonero executable files, double-click it, and it'll take care of everything. Then you let the blockchain sync and type "save" in the bitmonerd terminal when it's done. Type "start_mining X" in the simplewallet terminal where X is the number of CPU threads (replace with whatever number of threads you want, usually number of cores x2 if only CPU mining or one less if simultaneously GPU mining something else).

Quote
@echo off

tasklist /FI "IMAGENAME eq bitmonerod.exe" 2>NUL | find /I /N "bitmonerod.exe">NUL
if not %ERRORLEVEL% == 0 (
  echo Starting node...
  start /MIN bitmonerod.exe
) else (
  echo Node already started.
)

tasklist /FI "IMAGENAME eq simplewallet.exe" 2>NUL | find /I /N "simplewallet.exe">NUL
if not %ERRORLEVEL% == 0 (
  if exist wallet.bin.keys (
    echo Starting previous wallet...
    start simplewallet.exe --wallet wallet.bin
  ) else (
    echo Starting new wallet...
    start simplewallet.exe --generate-new-wallet wallet.bin
  )
) else (
  echo Wallet already started.
)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 20, 2014, 07:35:12 PM
I am new to cryptocurrencies. Some of you are so familiar with the process that complicated steps are deemed simple to you. With that said I was able to download and mine bytecoin bcn. As of today I can not download bitmonero for windows. This I believe is  rush job attempting to be first to market and increase profit margin on very early knowledgeable adapters. There was no attempt to move forward cryptonote vision. No attempt to improve on the delivery or execution of bytecoin bcn.  If I can download and mine bcn and cant do the same for bitmonero, this I think implies poor execution. I use myself as a basis because I did not even know what a cmd line was until 3 weeks ago.


you can also follow these simple instructions:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=544715

even if you start mining three days after launch you're still in a pretty good place.

Current difficulty is 93367, until we hit 250k or so you should still be able to solo with a good CPU


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 20, 2014, 07:54:04 PM
I am new to cryptocurrencies. Some of you are so familiar with the process that complicated steps are deemed simple to you. With that said I was able to download and mine bytecoin bcn. As of today I can not download bitmonero for windows. This I believe is  rush job attempting to be first to market and increase profit margin on very early knowledgeable adapters.

That may be true on many coins but this one has a very slow mining schedule, pretty close to bitcoin (years). Nobody is gobbling up all the coins early. No instamine here. Anyone involved in the first few years is an "early adopter."



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: emontmon on April 20, 2014, 07:55:50 PM
My comment was not that I feel left out. Rather, I am impressed with the background of cryptonight. I have very limited ability to understand the technology. I very much feel that much of what is written on these forums are beyond me. However the philosophy great.  Some thing that appeals to me. I also feel that there is a great opportunity here that has been missed. You and thankful could have collaborated and brought bytecoin 2.0. A coin that builds onThe previous version. A gui, mac bineries. And accessible windows bineries. The link at the begging does not work.

Those are my thoughts.these, just criticisms and from me who has nothing to Contribute really. I am just impressed with all of this, crypto currency technogy. I can barely understand it.



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 20, 2014, 07:59:57 PM
My comment was not that I feel left out. Rather, I am impressed with the background of cryptonight. I have very limited ability to understand the technology. I very much feel that much of what is written on these forums are beyond me. However the philosophy great.  Some thing that appeals to me. I also feel that there is a great opportunity here that has been missed. You and thankful could have collaborated and brought bytecoin 2.0. A coin that builds onThe previous version. A gui, mac bineries. And accessible windows bineries. The link at the begging does not work.

Those are my thoughts.these, just criticisms and from me who has nothing to Contribute really. I am just impressed with all of this, crypto currency technogy. I can barely understand it.



The forum messed up the link because of its # character. Copy-paste the whole thing and it does work: https://mega.co.nz/#!dIMVWYTI!kHTvcON_liMT-14--iLM6VMK_zv0dYe5mbBxVT8_Cv4

This coin is a work-in-progress. I would've waited for a GUI before release but at this point I think it's proven its legitimacy by fixing a blockchain-killing bug.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 20, 2014, 08:01:58 PM
A gui, mac bineries. And accessible windows bineries. The link at the begging does not work.

GUI and Mac binaries are both being worked on. Someone has already replied about the Windows binaries.

It is very early in this history of this coin.



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 20, 2014, 08:04:41 PM
My comment was not that I feel left out. Rather, I am impressed with the background of cryptonight. I have very limited ability to understand the technology. I very much feel that much of what is written on these forums are beyond me. However the philosophy great.  Some thing that appeals to me. I also feel that there is a great opportunity here that has been missed. You and thankful could have collaborated and brought bytecoin 2.0. A coin that builds onThe previous version. A gui, mac bineries. And accessible windows bineries. The link at the begging does not work.

Those are my thoughts.these, just criticisms and from me who has nothing to Contribute really. I am just impressed with all of this, crypto currency technogy. I can barely understand it.



The forum messed up the link because of its # character. Copy-paste the whole thing and it does work: https://mega.co.nz/#!dIMVWYTI!kHTvcON_liMT-14--iLM6VMK_zv0dYe5mbBxVT8_Cv4

This coin is a work-in-progress. I would've waited for a GUI before release but at this point I think it's proven its legitimacy by fixing a blockchain-killing bug.

another link to the windows binaries is here: https://anonfiles.com/file/557536bff04c9dbb85d290233850873b

difficulty is almost at 100k


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 20, 2014, 08:12:42 PM
A gui, mac bineries. And accessible windows bineries. The link at the begging does not work.

GUI and Mac binaries are both being worked on. Someone has already replied about the Windows binaries.

It is very early in this history of this coin.



I know taco is working on GUI but did anyone confirm they were working on Mac?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: emontmon on April 20, 2014, 08:20:10 PM
Thank you for the informative amd helpful response from everyone. It is a good community.


To all,
Kind regards



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: GreekBitcoin on April 20, 2014, 09:48:54 PM
Help with compiling it on Ubuntu 12.04 ?

What dependencies do i need? On 13.10 i had no problems at all. But i cant compile it on 12.04


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 20, 2014, 10:01:04 PM
Help with compiling it on Ubuntu 12.04 ?

What dependencies do i need? On 13.10 i had no problems at all. But i cant compile it on 12.04

CMake and Boost:
sudo apt-get install cmake
sudo apt-get install libboost-all-dev


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: GreekBitcoin on April 20, 2014, 11:41:23 PM
Help with compiling it on Ubuntu 12.04 ?

What dependencies do i need? On 13.10 i had no problems at all. But i cant compile it on 12.04

CMake and Boost:
sudo apt-get install cmake
sudo apt-get install libboost-all-dev

well actually after much time i managed to compile it. So the problem is that libboost on ubuntu must be 1.5.3 but there is problem installing it. Search the web. I think you must add repository to the source.list and update and install libboost 1.5.3

after that the problem is that you need gcc of version at least 4.7 because you get some errors. So for that i think this will help http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2013/08/install-gcc-4-8-via-ppa-in-ubuntu-12-04-13-04/

if it doesnt search the web.

Once you have libbost 1.5.3 and gcc 4.7 or later then compiling is fine...

lost a few hours searching....


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 20, 2014, 11:54:09 PM
I'm running an auction to buy BMR. If you are interested in selling some BMR (as little as 1 BMR!) for 0.025 BTC, please visit my auction page:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577296.msg6303155#msg6303155


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 21, 2014, 12:27:25 AM
Trading thread OTC exchange for BMR here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=578192.0


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: GreekBitcoin on April 21, 2014, 12:51:26 AM
After letting it synchronize the wallet says this:

Error: refresh failed: daemon is busy. Please try later. Blocks received: 0

Any ideas?


Also what should i do to be sure that i will not lose my coins? Obviously i must not forget my password but also which files i should save?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 21, 2014, 12:53:40 AM
After letting it synchronize the wallet says this:

Error: refresh failed: daemon is busy. Please try later. Blocks received: 0

Any ideas?


Also what should i do to be sure that i will not lose my coins? Obviously i must not forget my password but also which files i should save?

I've seen that sometimes. There is a bug that sometimes causes the daemon to not start properly. Exit out of the daemon (type "exit") and restart it.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 21, 2014, 12:54:24 AM
Also what should i do to be sure that i will not lose my coins? Obviously i must not forget my password but also which files i should save?

Once you create a wallet, save all of the wallet files.  Supposedly you only need to save the .keys file, but I tested that and had some problems. To be safe, save them all.



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: GreekBitcoin on April 21, 2014, 01:05:01 AM
After letting it synchronize the wallet says this:

Error: refresh failed: daemon is busy. Please try later. Blocks received: 0

Any ideas?


Also what should i do to be sure that i will not lose my coins? Obviously i must not forget my password but also which files i should save?

I've seen that sometimes. There is a bug that sometimes causes the daemon to not start properly. Exit out of the daemon (type "exit") and restart it.

yeah i tried that but i am getting the same...hmmm


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tifozi on April 21, 2014, 01:16:03 AM
Enter "Save" in the daemon window. That should help resolve it (current workaround).

Trading thread OTC exchange for BMR here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=578192.0

I was hoping that this would stay under the radar for a few days, but we can kiss it goodbye if that trade goes through!

Current Diff = 107k


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 21, 2014, 01:22:49 AM
I was hoping that this would stay under the radar for a few days, but we can kiss it goodbye if that trade goes through!

You mean the auction, where someone is about to sell 1 BMR for 0.025 BTC?  The best thing you can do is outbid :)



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tifozi on April 21, 2014, 01:31:21 AM
I was hoping that this would stay under the radar for a few days, but we can kiss it goodbye if that trade goes through!

You mean the auction, where someone is about to sell 1 BMR for 0.025 BTC?  The best thing you can do is outbid :)



I have to pass since I cannot outbid the gentleman with 1 BMR offer  :o


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 21, 2014, 06:47:11 AM
Less than one hour to go on the auction!


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: SlyWax on April 21, 2014, 08:17:21 AM
What is the reward formula of BMR ?

And why is the reward split in multiple entries ?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 21, 2014, 08:21:32 AM
What is the reward formula of BMR ?

And why is the reward split in multiple entries ?

The reward formula is similar to bytecoin except the denominator is 4x larger (plus the decimal is shifted, but that is just a difference in display, atomic units are unaffected)

All payments are split up by digit to improve anonymity.



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: crimealone on April 21, 2014, 08:34:01 AM
Is there a block explorer?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: SlyWax on April 21, 2014, 09:13:13 AM
What is the reward formula of BMR ?


The reward formula is similar to bytecoin except the denominator is 4x larger (plus the decimal is shifted, but that is just a difference in display, atomic units are unaffected)


Does it mean that the first block reward was (2^64-1)/2^20  =~ 2^44 =~ 1,759218604×10¹³
 = 17,592,186,040,000
... ok thats in satochy, so around  17.592 BMR
(edited for error in 4x)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 21, 2014, 09:20:28 AM
What is the reward formula of BMR ?


The reward formula is similar to bytecoin except the denominator is 4x larger (plus the decimal is shifted, but that is just a difference in display, atomic units are unaffected)


Does it mean that the first block reward was (2^64-1)/2^22  =~ 2^42 =~ 4,398046511×10¹²
 = 4,398,046,511,000 I'm confused !

It's 2^20 and that's atomic units. For display you have to move the decimal 12 places.

EDIT: yes your edit looks right


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 21, 2014, 09:24:32 AM
What is the reward formula of BMR ?


The reward formula is similar to bytecoin except the denominator is 4x larger (plus the decimal is shifted, but that is just a difference in display, atomic units are unaffected)


Does it mean that the first block reward was (2^64-1)/2^20  =~ 2^44 =~ 1,759218604×10¹³
 = 17,592,186,040,000
... ok thats in satochy, so around  17.592 BMR
(edited for error in 4x)

Correct. It'll be around that for a while.

Is there a block explorer?

No, the only CryptoNote block explorer is the one implemented by MinerGate for BCN (https://minergate.com/#/blockchain/bcn/blocks). It's not open source and very likely connected to the BCN devs based on how quickly it came out and how polished it is. I think we're on our own for BMR.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 21, 2014, 03:55:32 PM
A block explorer should be easy to make; just query the RPC webserver with JSON requests for the blocks and their contents, then dump that into a database.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: the_darkness on April 21, 2014, 04:15:31 PM
Bytecoin difficulty appears significantly down from its peak (hanging aroung 800k right now vs a peak around 1200k). Wonder if BMR has interested some of the miners?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 21, 2014, 04:18:59 PM
Bytecoin difficulty appears significantly down from its peak (hanging aroung 800k right now vs a peak around 1200k). Wonder if BMR has interested some of the miners?

Our diff hit 120k last night, so probably.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: GreekBitcoin on April 21, 2014, 05:07:02 PM
May i ask why blocks are so slow? I mean there seems to be not instamine. people didnt bother with the coin or diff changes every block or something? I guess i have to check bytecoins algo...


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 21, 2014, 05:55:28 PM
May i ask why blocks are so slow? I mean there seems to be not instamine. people didnt bother with the coin or diff changes every block or something? I guess i have to check bytecoins algo...

Difficulty change is per block and adaptive, so there is no instamine.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Xdragon on April 21, 2014, 05:58:43 PM
diff is too high now for solo, unless you are a botnet  ;D
that is strange because on bytecoin at diff 600k I could mine ~1 block per day, here diff is only 120k but no block for almost 24 h.
Maybe OP should contact minergate to add BMR pool  ;D

edit: now there is a source for minergate miner https://github.com/amjuarez/bytecoin


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 21, 2014, 06:21:01 PM
diff is too high now for solo, unless you are a botnet  ;D
that is strange because on bytecoin at diff 600k I could mine ~1 block per day, here diff is only 120k but no block for almost 24 h.
Maybe OP should contact minergate to add BMR pool  ;D

edit: now there is a source for minergate miner https://github.com/amjuarez/bytecoin

Solo should be okay, I have been getting blocks still solo.  May just be unlucky.  Try compiling in ubuntu linux 13.10, you usually get about 3x higher hash rates than windows.

Only 13.10 has the correct dependencies, do not download 14.4!!!

Compile in this way:
Code:
sudo apt-get install libboost-all-dev cmake
cd $HOME/your_bitmonero_directory/
mkdir build
make -j4


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 21, 2014, 06:25:34 PM
diff is too high now for solo, unless you are a botnet  ;D
that is strange because on bytecoin at diff 600k I could mine ~1 block per day, here diff is only 120k but no block for almost 24 h.
Maybe OP should contact minergate to add BMR pool  ;D

edit: now there is a source for minergate miner https://github.com/amjuarez/bytecoin

That's just bytecoin itself. The MinerGate devs said the following:

How to use open-source simpleminer to mine with MinerGate.com

Build latest bytecoin from sources (https://github.com/amjuarez/bytecoin) using instructions in How-To thread.

Make sure you have executable ‘simpleminer’ in build/release/src.

Launch it with the following params:
./simpleminer --pool-addr=bcn.pool.minergate.com:5555 --login=YOUR_ACCOUNT_EMAIL --pass !

Please be careful and put correct e-mail corresponding to your MinerGate account.

In case you run simpleminer with wrong or misspelled e-mail all your work will be associated with different account!


So we don't have a source. They're just saying you can use simpleminer instead of their executable, which is definitely better since it doesn't involve trusting their software. The question is how do we set up something similar for BMR?

Also, are BMR's diff numbers directly comparable with BCN or is an adjustment needed? I think Xdragon is just having bad luck but it'd be good to know.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: jasemoney on April 21, 2014, 06:36:00 PM
update on not finding block over weekend.  Found a few first 2 days, did not find any Friday night until I stopped it this morning.  So I restarted and have found 2 since.  Durring the weekend it showed a hashrate and shows connections & alt chains etc etc as usual.  weird... working at the moment so


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 21, 2014, 07:00:09 PM
Also, are BMR's diff numbers directly comparable with BCN or is an adjustment needed? I think Xdragon is just having bad luck but it'd be good to know.

Multiply the  BMR number by two


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 21, 2014, 07:10:42 PM
Services still needed:
- Official exchange
- Pool and open source pool software
- GUI wallet
- Faucet

I will try to work on GUI as I have time, I'm getting back into doing stuff for MC2


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 21, 2014, 07:12:43 PM
update on not finding block over weekend.  Found a few first 2 days, did not find any Friday night until I stopped it this morning.  So I restarted and have found 2 since.  Durring the weekend it showed a hashrate and shows connections & alt chains etc etc as usual.  weird... working at the moment so

Consistent with luck.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 21, 2014, 07:14:44 PM
diff is too high now for solo, unless you are a botnet  ;D
that is strange because on bytecoin at diff 600k I could mine ~1 block per day, here diff is only 120k but no block for almost 24 h.
Maybe OP should contact minergate to add BMR pool  ;D

edit: now there is a source for minergate miner https://github.com/amjuarez/bytecoin

Why do you need a block every single day? Why not view it in terms of blocks per week or blocks per month?

I solo mined bitcoin up until the point where I was getting one block in a few months. Yes you can use pools, but there are always costs to that. Even if not fees, you run the risk of getting ripped off by the pool or the pool getting hacked and being unable to make payouts.

There does come a point where pools are absolutely necessary, and you just have to accept these costs, but a block every day or every few days is not that point.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 21, 2014, 08:22:15 PM
New BCN clone: "HoneyPenny" (yes, really)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.0

Interesting changes to the PoW. Also seems to have 10% of every mined block going to devs? Wording is not clear.

Props to them for actually putting anonymous and unlinkable in the thread title. A casual browser still would have no idea what BMR actually does.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 21, 2014, 08:57:13 PM
ByteCoin is technically neither anonymous nor unlinkable -- it's simply designed to provide more privacy for transactions.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 21, 2014, 09:31:34 PM
ByteCoin is technically neither anonymous nor unlinkable -- it's simply designed to provide more privacy for transactions.

Anonymous is somewhat of a vague term, but it is definitely unlinkable in the sense that a transaction can't be linked with its recipient at all.

Quote
the receiver is the only one who can release the funds after the transaction is committed. He only needs to perform a single-formula check on each transactions to establish if it belongs to him. This process involves his private key, therefore no third party can perform this check and discover the link between the one-time key generated by the sender and the receiver's unique public address. https://cryptonote.org/inside.php

Ring signatures are a little weaker. It is possible to identify the sender of a transaction as being among the small group of possible signers, but it still can't be linked with any one signer. By sending a series of transactions to yourself you can perform what amounts to mixing without a third party mixer, because the number of potential originators grows exponentially at each step.

This does require a reasonable volume of transactions on the network though. If you are the only one sending transactions then it is obvious they are all yours.






Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 21, 2014, 09:40:10 PM
Services still needed:
- Official exchange
- Pool and open source pool software
- GUI wallet
- Faucet

I will try to work on GUI as I have time, I'm getting back into doing stuff for MC2

Add website to the list. It's a "service" in a way. HoneyPenny even has one (http://honeypenny.org/). :D


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 21, 2014, 10:20:16 PM
Services still needed:
- Official exchange
- Pool and open source pool software
- GUI wallet
- Faucet

I will try to work on GUI as I have time, I'm getting back into doing stuff for MC2

Add website to the list. It's a "service" in a way. HoneyPenny even has one (http://honeypenny.org/). :D

Sombody registered the domain names bitmonero.com and bitmonero.org just yesterday. If it wasn't the OP he screwed up big time and we should just do an immediate code fork to rename it to something where we control the domain names.



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: cryptofella on April 21, 2014, 10:41:25 PM
Fork would be good. This (Bitmonero) and the other "HoneyPenny" sound both terrible. We need a good Cryptonote based coin that has probably a preannouncement, no premine or at least honest premine, websites registered before launch and a good name like Bitnote or sth. If someone is to create a new fork with these things in mind, I'm supporting.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 21, 2014, 10:44:37 PM
Fork would be good. This (Bitmonero) and the other "HoneyPenny" sound both terrible. We need a good Cryptonote based coin that has probably a preannouncement, no premine or at least honest premine, websites registered before launch and a good name like Bitnote or sth. If someone is to create a new fork with these things in mind, I'm supporting.

Bitmonero is fine in terms of no premine, slow mining rewards, etc. I wouldn't have changed the block target, but its not a big deal.

If we fork it we should just change the name (and make sure we own the domains).



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: David Latapie on April 21, 2014, 10:59:07 PM
what about bitmone.ro , or bitmonero.net ....?
Whatever the name change, it should not be discussed on a forum.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 21, 2014, 11:09:34 PM
Services still needed:
- Official exchange
- Pool and open source pool software
- GUI wallet
- Faucet

I will try to work on GUI as I have time, I'm getting back into doing stuff for MC2

Add website to the list. It's a "service" in a way. HoneyPenny even has one (http://honeypenny.org/). :D

Sombody registered the domain names bitmonero.com and bitmonero.org just yesterday. If it wasn't the OP he screwed up big time and we should just do an immediate code fork to rename it to something where we control the domain names.


what about bitmone.ro , or bitmonero.net ....?

The problem with all these variants is the issue of hijacking and confusion. If you don't own the main names, someone else does, and that's a problem.

I agree it makes no sense to discuss the new name on a public forum, but if there is agreement on moving forward with a new name then it should be discussed in private among those interested in helping to choose one.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: sorryforthat on April 21, 2014, 11:12:49 PM
Sent you a PM Smooth


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 21, 2014, 11:16:17 PM
Fork would be good. This (Bitmonero) and the other "HoneyPenny" sound both terrible. We need a good Cryptonote based coin that has probably a preannouncement, no premine or at least honest premine, websites registered before launch and a good name like Bitnote or sth. If someone is to create a new fork with these things in mind, I'm supporting.

It had a pre-ann and no premine. One could argue launching without a GUI wallet was a poor idea but you can't actually trade with this currency yet. All you can do is mine to secure the network and that's overwhelmingly done by command line in all altcoins (cgminer, sgminer, etc.).

Repeatedly relaunching isn't going to accomplish anything. This coin solved two of the most pressing issues: BCN's 80% mining in the deep web and BCN's extremely fast emission schedule. It also proved its worth by fixing the blockchain bug in BCN's latest release and acquiring 120k difficulty (equivalent to 240k in BCN) just a few days after launch.

That said, I'd be in favor of a renaming. Bitmonero sounds alright after you hear it enough times, but there are more appealing names to English and Chinese speakers, who together form 90% of the market. No relaunch needed. All it would involve is renaming some files since no CN coin is actually on an exchange and we don't have a website.

BitNote would actually be a great name -- it simultaneously shows affinity with CryptoNote from the name similarity and continues the proud ByteCoin tradition of having the same name as a dead coin (BNT: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=420341.0). We'd be BTN, of course. ;D


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: David Latapie on April 21, 2014, 11:19:51 PM
Read this from honeypenny https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.msg6329851#msg6329851

Either commitment (good) or scam (not good).

Considering how premine (which is supposed to go in the same direction) is considered in the cryptocircles, this initiative may be unsucessfull. Anyway, interesting to read.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Johnny Mnemonic on April 21, 2014, 11:26:02 PM

The problem with all these variants is the issue of hijacking and confusion. If you don't own the main names, someone else does, and that's a problem.

I agree it makes no sense to discuss the new name on a public forum, but if there is agreement on moving forward with a new name then it should be discussed in private among those interested in helping to choose one.


Again, using any ICANN sanctioned domain is pointless because the domain can be seized and the coin can be maliciously forked.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: David Latapie on April 21, 2014, 11:27:45 PM

The problem with all these variants is the issue of hijacking and confusion. If you don't own the main names, someone else does, and that's a problem.

I agree it makes no sense to discuss the new name on a public forum, but if there is agreement on moving forward with a new name then it should be discussed in private among those interested in helping to choose one.


Again, using any ICANN sanctioned domain is pointless because the domain can be seized and the coin can be maliciously forked.
Do you know any non-ICANN sanctionned domain name that the general public can have access to?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Johnny Mnemonic on April 22, 2014, 12:02:57 AM

The problem with all these variants is the issue of hijacking and confusion. If you don't own the main names, someone else does, and that's a problem.

I agree it makes no sense to discuss the new name on a public forum, but if there is agreement on moving forward with a new name then it should be discussed in private among those interested in helping to choose one.


Again, using any ICANN sanctioned domain is pointless because the domain can be seized and the coin can be maliciously forked.
Do you know any non-ICANN sanctionned domain name that the general public can have access to?

The bigger question is, what is the best way to distribute binaries that would safeguard against malicious takeovers? At this point I don't really have an answer that would be scalable. But I do think we need to get out of the habit of hosting binaries on dot org sites, especially when it pertains to privacy focused cryptos.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: GreekBitcoin on April 22, 2014, 12:06:10 AM

The problem with all these variants is the issue of hijacking and confusion. If you don't own the main names, someone else does, and that's a problem.

I agree it makes no sense to discuss the new name on a public forum, but if there is agreement on moving forward with a new name then it should be discussed in private among those interested in helping to choose one.


Again, using any ICANN sanctioned domain is pointless because the domain can be seized and the coin can be maliciously forked.
Do you know any non-ICANN sanctionned domain name that the general public can have access to?

The bigger question is, what is the best way to distribute binaries that would safeguard against malicious takeovers? At this point I don't really have an answer that would be scalable. But I do think we need to get out of the habit of hosting binaries on dot org sites, especially when it pertains to privacy focused cryptos.

Upload it on datacoin blockchain ;)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 22, 2014, 12:07:01 AM

The problem with all these variants is the issue of hijacking and confusion. If you don't own the main names, someone else does, and that's a problem.

I agree it makes no sense to discuss the new name on a public forum, but if there is agreement on moving forward with a new name then it should be discussed in private among those interested in helping to choose one.


Again, using any ICANN sanctioned domain is pointless because the domain can be seized and the coin can be maliciously forked.
Do you know any non-ICANN sanctionned domain name that the general public can have access to?

The bigger question is, what is the best way to distribute binaries that would safeguard against malicious takeovers? At this point I don't really have an answer that would be scalable. But I do think we need to get out of the habit of hosting binaries on dot org sites, especially when it pertains to privacy focused cryptos.

The purpose of a web site at this point is to distribute information, to server as a convenient point of reference for resources such as pools, exchanges, this or another forum, etc.

Binaries, who knows. Any method has its issues.

Once the coin is more established the web site isn't needed as much, because the various resources will be known directly.



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Johnny Mnemonic on April 22, 2014, 12:14:18 AM
Ultimately the point I was trying to get across was that we should give a coin the best name possible, regardless of what TLDs are available.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 22, 2014, 12:39:06 AM
Wow, difficulty is going sky high today


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tifozi on April 22, 2014, 12:50:33 AM
Wow, difficulty is going sky high today


Thanks to your trade yesterday giving it some initial seed value ;)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 22, 2014, 12:52:34 AM
Wow, difficulty is going sky high today


Thanks to your trade yesterday giving it some initial seed value ;)

I wonder if the $2.50 I paid for that 100 BMR is worth more than the electricity it cost to mine that much. :P

Higher difficulty is great. Fewer coins for us, but widespread distribution is the cornerstone of functioning exchange medium.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 22, 2014, 12:56:30 AM
Wow, difficulty is going sky high today


Thanks to your trade yesterday giving it some initial seed value ;)

I wonder if the $2.50 I paid for that 100 BMR is worth more than the electricity it cost to mine that much. :P

Higher difficulty is great. Fewer coins for us, but widespread distribution is the cornerstone of functioning exchange medium.

More auctions coming. I plan to continue running auctions on these coins until there are good exchanges.

Doing a BCN auction right now. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577308.msg6328204#new

I also have an OTC exchange thread for BMR, but no one has used it yet: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=578192.0


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 22, 2014, 01:32:19 AM
Fork would be good. This (Bitmonero) and the other "HoneyPenny" sound both terrible. We need a good Cryptonote based coin that has probably a preannouncement, no premine or at least honest premine, websites registered before launch and a good name like Bitnote or sth. If someone is to create a new fork with these things in mind, I'm supporting.

We can just rename it too, like what was done with PeerCoin.  Some kind of monero or esperanto derivative.

So far the initial distribution is very good -- reminds me a lot of Litecoin.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 22, 2014, 01:57:17 AM
Fork would be good. This (Bitmonero) and the other "HoneyPenny" sound both terrible. We need a good Cryptonote based coin that has probably a preannouncement, no premine or at least honest premine, websites registered before launch and a good name like Bitnote or sth. If someone is to create a new fork with these things in mind, I'm supporting.

We can just rename it too, like what was done with PeerCoin.  Some kind of monero or esperanto derivative.

So far the initial distribution is very good -- reminds me a lot of Litecoin.

I agree, we have a good thing going here. My earlier mention of network difficulty being 120k needs to be updated -- it's 191k as of an hour ago (equivalent to 380k BCN). This shows significant interest. The parameters are solid so the only sensible thing to change is the name, which can be done easily at this stage. Maybe TFT did acquire those domains and we're good to go...

Also, I believe you said solo mining becomes hard at diff = 250k with a single CPU? We're almost there already. A pool implementation may be needed sooner than thought.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tifozi on April 22, 2014, 02:24:53 AM
Difficulty = 210k.  :'(


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 22, 2014, 03:17:30 AM
Difficulty still skyrocketing. At this rate BMR may pass BCN within the next day or so.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: stealth923 on April 22, 2014, 03:19:27 AM
Is solo still the only way to get this coin - im finding it really hard to find a block even though my hash is around 12.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 22, 2014, 03:20:11 AM
Is solo still the only way to get this coin - im finding it really hard to find a block even though my hash is around 12.

No pool yet. Just solo and be patient.



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: r0ach on April 22, 2014, 03:41:01 AM
This is not gonna be "the next Bitcoin" unless it's forked to a Myriadcoin type revision.  Four algorithms at 8-10 minutes each:  Groestl, Cryptonote algo, Sha 256, and then either Skein, Heavycoin algo, or X11.

Right now this is just a botnet coin.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 22, 2014, 03:55:57 AM
This is not gonna be "the next Bitcoin" unless it's forked to a Myriadcoin type revision.  Four algorithms at 8-10 minutes each:  Groestl, Cryptonote algo, Sha 256, and then either Skein, Heavycoin algo, or X11.

Right now this is just a botnet coin.

lol


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 22, 2014, 03:56:14 AM
This is not gonna be "the next Bitcoin" unless it's forked to a Myriadcoin type revision.  Four algorithms at 8-10 minutes each:  Groestl, Cryptonote algo, Sha 256, and then either Skein, Heavycoin algo, or X11.

Right now this is just a botnet coin.

lol

+1


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 22, 2014, 03:58:09 AM
We should probably fix the mempool/getblocktemplate at some point to not include ALL transactions at the cost of the block reward

Code:
2014-Apr-21 23:51:41.291710 [P2P5]+++++ BLOCK SUCCESSFULLY ADDED
id: <d4c9d4da7ef4fa8ec3e9af41b46e8fa4496c04161ee481da7a9d6020af294097>
PoW: <8bd14baabe4f4f8f285db52e68c4e2d785c04b9f3277e912e1c0fed7f7120000>
HEIGHT 5812, difficulty: 233194
block reward: 2.167697195560(2.167696060291 + 0.000001135269), coinbase_blob_size: 345, cumulative size: 38720, 959(1/609)ms

If I was that miner I would be pissed.  You should be able to set a max inclusion for transactions from the mempool in bytes somewhere.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 22, 2014, 03:59:29 AM
We should probably fix the mempool/getblocktemplate at some point to not include ALL transactions at the cost of the block reward

Code:
2014-Apr-21 23:51:41.291710 [P2P5]+++++ BLOCK SUCCESSFULLY ADDED
id: <d4c9d4da7ef4fa8ec3e9af41b46e8fa4496c04161ee481da7a9d6020af294097>
PoW: <8bd14baabe4f4f8f285db52e68c4e2d785c04b9f3277e912e1c0fed7f7120000>
HEIGHT 5812, difficulty: 233194
block reward: 2.167697195560(2.167696060291 + 0.000001135269), coinbase_blob_size: 345, cumulative size: 38720, 959(1/609)ms

If I was that miner I would be pissed.  You should be able to set a max inclusion for transactions from the mempool in bytes somewhere.

If you read the original paper, the miner is supposed to strive for the maximum reward + transaction fees. I guess the code doesn't do that?




Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 22, 2014, 04:04:28 AM
We just had our first public reported trade (aside from my small auctions).

1000 BMR traded at 0.0005 BTC/BMR (so a total of 0.5 BTC).

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=578192.0


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 22, 2014, 04:04:58 AM
We should probably fix the mempool/getblocktemplate at some point to not include ALL transactions at the cost of the block reward

Code:
2014-Apr-21 23:51:41.291710 [P2P5]+++++ BLOCK SUCCESSFULLY ADDED
id: <d4c9d4da7ef4fa8ec3e9af41b46e8fa4496c04161ee481da7a9d6020af294097>
PoW: <8bd14baabe4f4f8f285db52e68c4e2d785c04b9f3277e912e1c0fed7f7120000>
HEIGHT 5812, difficulty: 233194
block reward: 2.167697195560(2.167696060291 + 0.000001135269), coinbase_blob_size: 345, cumulative size: 38720, 959(1/609)ms

If I was that miner I would be pissed.  You should be able to set a max inclusion for transactions from the mempool in bytes somewhere.

If you read the original paper, the miner is supposed to strive for the maximum reward + transaction fees. I guess the code doesn't do that?




This is the idea case, but you're only supposed to increase block size slowly to avoid reward penalty such as was seen in that block.

You need to alter this function to avoid making blocks larger than 10 kb without necessary fees to incentivize addition to the network:
Code:
 bool tx_memory_pool::fill_block_template(block &bl, size_t median_size, uint64_t already_generated_coins, size_t &total_size, uint64_t &fee)
  {
    CRITICAL_REGION_LOCAL(m_transactions_lock);

    total_size = 0;
    fee = 0;

    size_t max_total_size = 2 * median_size - CRYPTONOTE_COINBASE_BLOB_RESERVED_SIZE;
    std::unordered_set<crypto::key_image> k_images;
    BOOST_FOREACH(transactions_container::value_type& tx, m_transactions)
    {
      if (max_total_size < total_size + tx.second.blob_size)
        continue;

      if (!is_transaction_ready_to_go(tx.second) || have_key_images(k_images, tx.second.tx))
        continue;

      bl.tx_hashes.push_back(tx.first);
      total_size += tx.second.blob_size;
      fee += tx.second.fee;
      append_key_images(k_images, tx.second.tx);
    }

    return true;
  }

I'll look at it tomorrow


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 22, 2014, 04:06:48 AM
Quote
If you read the original paper, the miner is supposed to strive for the maximum reward + transaction fees. I guess the code doesn't do that?

This is the idea case, but you're only supposed to increase block size slowly to avoid reward penalty such as was seen in that block.

Right but the paper makes the claim that there is an equilibrium between adding transactions (more fees) and increasing block size (smaller reward).

Looks like that is missing from the code you posted.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: bengtåke on April 22, 2014, 04:42:33 AM
Synching this blockchain takes quite a while, even this soon after release.. Makes me wonder how bad it will be later on. Hhopefully some improvements can be made, (parallel downloads?). Looks like this fork also stores the entire blockchain in memory? Anyway, new-ish technology is exciting, gonna try mining some.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 22, 2014, 04:47:26 AM
Synching this blockchain takes quite a while, even this soon after release.. Makes me wonder how bad it will be later on. Hhopefully some improvements can be made, (parallel downloads?). Looks like this fork also stores the entire blockchain in memory? Anyway, new-ish technology is exciting, gonna try mining some.

Type "save" in the daemon and it'll store the blockchain on the hard drive. BCN has a quick start package on its website that includes a recent save of the blockchain. As the BMR chain grows in the coming months, we can provide that as well on our totally not non-existent website.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: bengtåke on April 22, 2014, 06:51:20 AM
... we can provide that as well on our totally not non-existent website.

Thanks for the tip. Yeah, this coin release feels a bit rushed, like others have mentioned. Seems some botnet has moved in too, given how high the difficulty is :/


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 22, 2014, 06:53:10 AM
... we can provide that as well on our totally not non-existent website.

Thanks for the tip. Yeah, this coin release feels a bit rushed, like others have mentioned. Seems some botnet has moved in too, given how high the difficulty is :/

Thank you Mr. Botnet for helping us secure the block chain.



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 22, 2014, 01:12:38 PM
Looks like solo is still fine even at diff 260k -- even with a single modern quad you should still be getting a few blocks per day. :)

I think probably solo will be dead around 750k for unix users, but we will have pools up by then.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 22, 2014, 01:16:25 PM
Synching this blockchain takes quite a while, even this soon after release.. Makes me wonder how bad it will be later on. Hhopefully some improvements can be made, (parallel downloads?). Looks like this fork also stores the entire blockchain in memory? Anyway, new-ish technology is exciting, gonna try mining some.

Yes, it loads the entire blockchain into memory.  This is a problem with ByteCoin too.  The reference implementation is pretty immature.

Syncing the entire blockchain takes a while too because you need to hash each header to verify it, and most single cores of a CPU only do 1 H/s or so.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 22, 2014, 01:25:38 PM
Hi!

I have two news (good one and bad one):

[bad] I haven't read previous messages yet
[good] here is a logo contest: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=580155.0


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 22, 2014, 03:34:26 PM

Comkort exchange is working now on BCN integration. Let's vote for Bitmonero integration also!

https://comkort.com/vote


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: cocoakrispies on April 22, 2014, 03:36:55 PM

Comkort exchange is working now on BCN integration. Let's vote for Bitmonero integration also!

https://comkort.com/vote

Nice. Also just sending .1525 BTC would put it at the top of the list. That's about a $76 listing fee . . which is very cheap considering they list it for free otherwise (by just waiting and getting votes).

Hey while you're here . . are you planning on submitting your coin to CryptoNote? HoneyPenny already did and got a response, so I'm just wondering if you plan on doing this?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 22, 2014, 03:43:31 PM

Comkort exchange is working now on BCN integration. Let's vote for Bitmonero integration also!

https://comkort.com/vote

Nice. Also just sending .1525 BTC would put it at the top of the list. That's about a $76 listing fee . . which is very cheap considering they list it for free otherwise (by just waiting and getting votes).

Hey while you're here . . are you planning on submitting your coin to CryptoNote? HoneyPenny already did and got a response, so I'm just wondering if you plan on doing this?

Thank you for your help!
Yes, for sure I will submit.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: bengtåke on April 22, 2014, 04:11:26 PM
Looks like solo is still fine even at diff 260k -- even with a single modern quad you should still be getting a few blocks per day. :)

I think probably solo will be dead around 750k for unix users, but we will have pools up by then.

Yeah, got my first block in a few hours with my 2500k. Guess I burned my luck for a while ;)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 22, 2014, 06:37:10 PM

Comkort exchange is working now on BCN integration. Let's vote for Bitmonero integration also!

https://comkort.com/vote

The current situation with BCN is that it won the vote and the site admins couldn't figure out how to integrate it. They said they'd reach out to BCN devs but I don't think they're aware that this is a deepweb project. BCN devs may not respond at all. To get BMR on there, you'll need to be able to help them understand the API.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 22, 2014, 08:43:11 PM
They can reach out to me @ dev.mc2@gmail.com if they need help too (it doesn't look easy contacting them)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 22, 2014, 11:00:09 PM
They can reach out to me @ dev.mc2@gmail.com if they need help too (it doesn't look easy contacting them)

It's a Russian company so I'm not sure how easy it will be to communicate with them but I submitted a ticket giving this contact info.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: btc-mike on April 22, 2014, 11:01:58 PM
Bitmonero was added to The CPU Coin List (http://cpucoinlist.com/).

Please let me know if you know the missing info or there are errors.

mike


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 22, 2014, 11:14:14 PM
They can reach out to me @ dev.mc2@gmail.com if they need help too (it doesn't look easy contacting them)

It's a Russian company so I'm not sure how easy it will be to communicate with them but I submitted a ticket giving this contact info.

thank you


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: David Latapie on April 22, 2014, 11:36:50 PM
I am almost certain you are in this for a quick buck and could care less about the message and the technology.
Not on that one, I don't plan to sell my Bitmonero. <teaser>We actually an agenda</teaser>.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: mickey_miner on April 23, 2014, 04:07:15 AM
Interesting coin.  I mine few blocks


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 23, 2014, 05:36:18 AM
This coin desperately needs a better first post. It still looks like a pre-announcement. I've made one so here you go. Credit to the CryptoNote guys for the nice images and David Latapie for mining guide. Change as you see fit and post it ASAP because the current situation is untenable given that we don't even have a website. It's fundamentally unfair to newcomers and linking to CryptoNote and BCN is not sufficient.

Title: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - an anonymous coin based on CryptoNote technology

<Or something similar. Definitely say that it's anonymous.>

<fancy logo goes here>

Bitmonero (BMR) is a new coin using the CryptoNote protocol. It's based on Bytecoin (BCN), which was coded from scratch and is not a descendent of Bitcoin. BMR was launched on April 18, 2014.

Specifications:

  • Algorithm: CryptoNight (64-bit CPU-only)
  • Max supply: ~18.4 million
  • Block reward: Smoothly varying using the formula (M - A) / (2^20) / (10^12) where M = 2^64 -1, A = supply mined to date.
  • Difficulty: retargets at every block

Windows binary (https://mega.co.nz/#!dIMVWYTI!kHTvcON_liMT-14--iLM6VMK_zv0dYe5mbBxVT8_Cv4)
Linux source (https://github.com/bitmonero-project/bitmonero)
(OSX binaries not yet available)

Freenode: #bitmonero
Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/bitmonero

Announcements

[Logo contest - till 28 April - bounty 300 BMR]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=580155

FAQ

- What is CryptoNote?

CryptoNote is the technology that allows creation of anonymous egalitarian cryptocurrencies. You can visit their website here (https://cryptonote.org). The level of anonymity provided by CryptoNote isn't possible with Bitcoin code base by design.

Two of the main features of CryptoNote are ring signatures that mask sender identities by mixing and unlinkable transactions accomplished by creating one-time keys for individual payments. Ring signatures are explained below and you can read the white paper (https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf) for the details. The images below come from CryptoNote's website.

A normal signature looks like this. There's only one participant.

http://i.imgur.com/dcbDq05.png

A ring signature obscures identities because it only proves that a signer belongs to a group.

http://i.imgur.com/avTQPnT.png

This allows a high level of anonymity in cryptocurrency transactions. You can think of it as decentralized mixing.

http://i.imgur.com/ioewLSY.png

- What is Bytecoin (BCN)?

Bytecoin was the first CryptoNote-based coin. It was apparently released on the deepweb in July 2012. It did not surface on the clearweb until March 2014.

Important: This is not a Bytecoin relaunch or not a Bytecoin replacement but a Bytecoin fork. Bytecoin has its own long history, community and stakeholders we don't know much about. I respect them and their decisions even if I don't understand them now. An intention to relaunch coin is always harmful for everybody involved. Fork is a right way to contribute to community in case you don't agree with decisions already made.

- What are the features of this coin?

1. It uses the Bytecoin(BCN)/CryptoNote code base.

2. Started from scratch (i.e. from genesis block).

3. Emission schedule has a flatter curve (close to Bitcoin's original curve).

4. Bitmonero - BMR (monero = coin in the Esperanto language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto)).

5. Block target = 60 seconds.

6. Penalty-free block size is increased.

CryptoNote doesn't have hard limits: all parameters are adaptive. Max block size is adaptive also. It is recalculated the same way difficulty is. In case miner creates block bigger than 1*CURRENT_MAX_BLOCK_SIZE the penalty is applied to block reward (i.e. block reward is decreased). In case miner creates block bigger than 2*CURRENT_MAX_BLOCK_SIZE such block will not be accepted by network.

For blocks below penalty-free block size this logic isn't applied. I.e. even in the blockchain with all blocks empty you can create a block of this size with full block reward. In reference code this penalty-free block size is 10Kb - this is good for 2-3 anonymous transactions (anonymous means mixing factor is 5 or more). It's better to have a bit more.

7. Decimal point has been moved from BCN (18.446 million max supply instead of 184.46 billion). This is purely a UI change - technically there will be 2^64 - 1 atomic units (roughly 10^19).

8. Merged mining with Bytecoin will be added soon.

Mining

Important: CryptoNote can only work on a 64-bit OS.

There's no pool implementation yet so solo mining is the only option.

Credit to David Latapie for the guide below:

Linux tutorial

Open two terminals
For each terminal be sure to go to the folder where you have you binaries (on a graphical interface, the fastest way it to drag-and-drop a file from the file manager then remove the name of the file to have only the folder)

On terminal 1, type this command
Code:
./bitmonerod
Let it sync. Don't close (once the daemon is active, you can use show_hr to get your hashrate or set_log 1/2/3 to change the verbosity of the logs). If you close the daemon whilst you are mining, mining will stop (obviously) and if you open the daemon again the mining won't resume (you must use the start_mining command on the wallet for that).

On terminal 2, type this command:
Code:
./simplewallet --generate-new-wallet=name_of_my_wallet.bin
You will be prompted for a password. Be careful, you won't have to type a confirmation so beware of typos!
Close the wallet with the "exit" command.

Now type this command:
Code:
./simplewallet --wallet-file=name_of_my_wallet.bin
and enter your password. If you forgot your password or mistyped it at creation time, delete every file starting with name_of_my_wallet.bin and start over. Every Bitmonero would be lost forever, so it's important that you do it just after the creation, before any mining.

Windows tutorial
You can use the command line as above. You can also use the batch file shown below. Paste the text into notepad and save it as a .bat file. Note that you can change the name of your wallet file if you want (it's wallet.bin here). Double click the .bat file then go down to mining after waiting for terminal 1 to sync.

Code:
@echo off

tasklist /FI "IMAGENAME eq bitmonerod.exe" 2>NUL | find /I /N "bitmonerod.exe">NUL
if not %ERRORLEVEL% == 0 (
  echo Starting node...
  start /MIN bitmonerod.exe
) else (
  echo Node already started.
)

tasklist /FI "IMAGENAME eq simplewallet.exe" 2>NUL | find /I /N "simplewallet.exe">NUL
if not %ERRORLEVEL% == 0 (
  if exist wallet.bin.keys (
    echo Starting previous wallet...
    start simplewallet.exe --wallet wallet.bin
  ) else (
    echo Starting new wallet...
    start simplewallet.exe --generate-new-wallet wallet.bin
  )
) else (
  echo Wallet already started.
)

Mining
And now the good stuff: mining!
Since the wallet can command the daemon (miner), enter this in the wallet terminal:
Code:
start_mining <number of threads>
(to get your number of threads use "nproc" on Linux and "sysctl -n hw.ncpu on" Mac; on Windows, either get a utility for this or use this formula: number of CPU (usually 1) x number of cores x 2 (if no support for Hyperthread, remove the x2)
Or course, you don't have to use all your threads (especially if you are using your computer for something else such as simultaneous GPU mining).

You can mine to a specific address by typing this in the daemon terminal (not the wallet terminal):
Code:
start_mining <address> <number of threads>

By the way: if you want to know your hashrate, type show_hr in bitmonerod. And if you want to change the amount of information in the daemon, use set_log 1 (least info) to set_log 3 (max info).

How can you know that you are actually mining? Check you CPU usage :-) If it less than 80% chances are you are not mining.

I hope this tutorial will prove useful.

Address for tips:
Code:
46ctfLBhgyzJm61oTtDfu9GbVhG7ito4fNiQjdZcB5bL3mz5ejQrPD29uEkDHFzCVTHGFqAdG456w6ivYp7K23SiGREUiQe

Other

- I want to help with development / design / marketing ...

Please PM me. ;)

- I want to integrate new currency in my sevices (pools, block explorers, exchanges etc)

Please check API pages: https://wiki.bytecoin.org/wiki/Main_Page
API is far from being complete. Please PM me for comments or ask on CryptoNote forum: https://forum.cryptonote.org/

- I want to give you money for this project

Here is a donation address in BCN: 27swAkuqXB2M2YNhxjP9qngei9iRdTsH6b2PX7K4ffpugpf3hqiuRUUQvKLxny2iE1hbUANgF81CXL2 v3AiB45v7SmRaPGd

Translations:

[Portuguese] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563927.0

References:

[1] CryptoNote technology page: https://cryptonote.org/inside.php
[2] CryptoNote forum: https://forum.cryptonote.org/
[3] CryptoNote white paper: https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf
[4] Bytecoin (BCN) site: https://bytecoin.org/
[5] Bytecoin (BCN) wiki: https://wiki.bytecoin.org/
[6] Bytecoin (BCN) main thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747
[7] Bytecoin (BCN) mining guide: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=544715


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: cinming on April 23, 2014, 07:16:50 AM
is there other mirrors for windows binary file?
if not, will some1 please upload to another file hosting for me?
i cannot download from mega.co.nz


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Patejl on April 23, 2014, 09:36:07 AM
I need help. How to compile this in Ubuntu 14?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: David Latapie on April 23, 2014, 09:41:05 AM
I need help. How to compile this in Ubuntu 14?
Someone compiled the binaries for ubuntu. It is on my IRC log that I cannot access atm, but maybe the person will read this thread.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: x0rcist on April 23, 2014, 11:35:56 AM
is there other mirrors for windows binary file?
if not, will some1 please upload to another file hosting for me?
i cannot download from mega.co.nz

try this https://anonfiles.com/file/557536bff04c9dbb85d290233850873b

eizh; that OP looks great!! +1


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Stanford on April 23, 2014, 12:08:05 PM
New coin based on cryptonote, interesting.

I am curious how much is this one differ from the original one ?  advantages/ disadvantages?

Also wonder to hear any opinion about Bitmonero's perspective in future.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: cryptofella on April 23, 2014, 12:09:39 PM
I need help. How to compile this in Ubuntu 14?

I couldn't build it on Ubuntu 14 but on 13.10 it builds like described on page 14:

diff is too high now for solo, unless you are a botnet  ;D
that is strange because on bytecoin at diff 600k I could mine ~1 block per day, here diff is only 120k but no block for almost 24 h.
Maybe OP should contact minergate to add BMR pool  ;D

edit: now there is a source for minergate miner https://github.com/amjuarez/bytecoin

Solo should be okay, I have been getting blocks still solo.  May just be unlucky.  Try compiling in ubuntu linux 13.10, you usually get about 3x higher hash rates than windows.

Only 13.10 has the correct dependencies, do not download 14.4!!!

Compile in this way:
Code:
sudo apt-get install libboost-all-dev cmake
cd $HOME/your_bitmonero_directory/
mkdir build
make -j4


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: GreekBitcoin on April 23, 2014, 02:18:18 PM
This coin desperately needs a better first post. It still looks like a pre-announcement. I've made one so here you go. Credit to the CryptoNote guys for the nice images and David Latapie for mining guide. Change as you see fit and post it ASAP because the current situation is untenable given that we don't even have a website. It's fundamentally unfair to newcomers and linking to CryptoNote and BCN is not sufficient.

Title: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - an anonymous coin based on CryptoNote technology

<Or something similar. Definitely say that it's anonymous.>

<fancy logo goes here>

Bitmonero (BMR) is a new coin using the CryptoNote protocol. It's based on Bytecoin (BCN), which was coded from scratch and is not a descendent of Bitcoin. BMR was launched on April 18, 2014.

Specifications:

  • Algorithm: CryptoNight (64-bit CPU-only)
  • Max supply: ~18.4 million
  • Block reward: Smoothly varying using the formula (M - A) / (2^20) / (10^12) where M = 2^64 -1, A = supply mined to date.
  • Difficulty: retargets at every block

Windows binary (https://mega.co.nz/#!dIMVWYTI!kHTvcON_liMT-14--iLM6VMK_zv0dYe5mbBxVT8_Cv4)
Linux source (https://github.com/bitmonero-project/bitmonero)
(OSX binaries not yet available)

Freenode: #bitmonero
Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/bitmonero

Announcements

[Logo contest - till 28 April - bounty 300 BMR]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=580155

FAQ

- What is CryptoNote?

CryptoNote is the technology that allows creation of anonymous egalitarian cryptocurrencies. You can visit their website here (https://cryptonote.org). The level of anonymity provided by CryptoNote isn't possible with Bitcoin code base by design.

Two of the main features of CryptoNote are ring signatures that mask sender identities by mixing and unlinkable transactions accomplished by creating one-time keys for individual payments. Ring signatures are explained below and you can read the white paper (https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf) for the details. The images below come from CryptoNote's website.

A normal signature looks like this. There's only one participant.

http://i.imgur.com/dcbDq05.png

A ring signature obscures identities because it only proves that a signer belongs to a group.

http://i.imgur.com/avTQPnT.png

This allows a high level of anonymity in cryptocurrency transactions. You can think of it as decentralized mixing.

http://i.imgur.com/ioewLSY.png

- What is Bytecoin (BCN)?

Bytecoin was the first CryptoNote-based coin. It was apparently released on the deepweb in July 2012. It did not surface on the clearweb until March 2014.

Important: This is not a Bytecoin relaunch or not a Bytecoin replacement but a Bytecoin fork. Bytecoin has its own long history, community and stakeholders we don't know much about. I respect them and their decisions even if I don't understand them now. An intention to relaunch coin is always harmful for everybody involved. Fork is a right way to contribute to community in case you don't agree with decisions already made.

- What are the features of this coin?

1. It uses the Bytecoin(BCN)/CryptoNote code base.

2. Started from scratch (i.e. from genesis block).

3. Emission schedule has a flatter curve (close to Bitcoin's original curve).

4. Bitmonero - BMR (monero = coin in the Esperanto language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto)).

5. Block target = 60 seconds.

6. Penalty-free block size is increased.

CryptoNote doesn't have hard limits: all parameters are adaptive. Max block size is adaptive also. It is recalculated the same way difficulty is. In case miner creates block bigger than 1*CURRENT_MAX_BLOCK_SIZE the penalty is applied to block reward (i.e. block reward is decreased). In case miner creates block bigger than 2*CURRENT_MAX_BLOCK_SIZE such block will not be accepted by network.

For blocks below penalty-free block size this logic isn't applied. I.e. even in the blockchain with all blocks empty you can create a block of this size with full block reward. In reference code this penalty-free block size is 10Kb - this is good for 2-3 anonymous transactions (anonymous means mixing factor is 5 or more). It's better to have a bit more.

7. Decimal point has been moved from BCN (18.446 million max supply instead of 184.46 billion). This is purely a UI change - technically there will be 2^64 - 1 atomic units (roughly 10^19).

8. Merged mining with Bytecoin will be added soon.

Mining

Important: CryptoNote can only work on a 64-bit OS.

There's no pool implementation yet so solo mining is the only option.

Credit to David Latapie for the guide below:

Linux tutorial

Open two terminals
For each terminal be sure to go to the folder where you have you binaries (on a graphical interface, the fastest way it to drag-and-drop a file from the file manager then remove the name of the file to have only the folder)

On terminal 1, type this command
Code:
./bitmonerod
Let it sync. Don't close (once the daemon is active, you can use show_hr to get your hashrate or set_log 1/2/3 to change the verbosity of the logs). If you close the daemon whilst you are mining, mining will stop (obviously) and if you open the daemon again the mining won't resume (you must use the start_mining command on the wallet for that).

On terminal 2, type this command:
Code:
./simplewallet --generate-new-wallet=name_of_my_wallet.bin
You will be prompted for a password. Be careful, you won't have to type a confirmation so beware of typos!
Close the wallet with the "exit" command.

Now type this command:
Code:
./simplewallet --wallet-file=name_of_my_wallet.bin
and enter your password. If you forgot your password or mistyped it at creation time, delete every file starting with name_of_my_wallet.bin and start over. Every Bitmonero would be lost forever, so it's important that you do it just after the creation, before any mining.

Windows tutorial
You can use the command line as above. You can also use the batch file shown below. Paste the text into notepad and save it as a .bat file. Note that you can change the name of your wallet file if you want (it's wallet.bin here). Double click the .bat file then go down to mining after waiting for terminal 1 to sync.

Code:
@echo off

tasklist /FI "IMAGENAME eq bitmonerod.exe" 2>NUL | find /I /N "bitmonerod.exe">NUL
if not %ERRORLEVEL% == 0 (
  echo Starting node...
  start /MIN bitmonerod.exe
) else (
  echo Node already started.
)

tasklist /FI "IMAGENAME eq simplewallet.exe" 2>NUL | find /I /N "simplewallet.exe">NUL
if not %ERRORLEVEL% == 0 (
  if exist wallet.bin.keys (
    echo Starting previous wallet...
    start simplewallet.exe --wallet wallet.bin
  ) else (
    echo Starting new wallet...
    start simplewallet.exe --generate-new-wallet wallet.bin
  )
) else (
  echo Wallet already started.
)

Mining
And now the good stuff: mining!
Since the wallet can command the daemon (miner), enter this in the wallet terminal:
Code:
start_mining <number of threads>
(to get your number of threads use "nproc" on Linux and "sysctl -n hw.ncpu on" Mac; on Windows, either get a utility for this or use this formula: number of CPU (usually 1) x number of cores x 2 (if no support for Hyperthread, remove the x2)
Or course, you don't have to use all your threads (especially if you are using your computer for something else such as simultaneous GPU mining).

You can mine to a specific address by typing this in the daemon terminal (not the wallet terminal):
Code:
start_mining <address> <number of threads>

By the way: if you want to know your hashrate, type show_hr in bitmonerod. And if you want to change the amount of information in the daemon, use set_log 1 (least info) to set_log 3 (max info).

How can you know that you are actually mining? Check you CPU usage :-) If it less than 80% chances are you are not mining.

I hope this tutorial will prove useful.

Address for tips:
Code:
46ctfLBhgyzJm61oTtDfu9GbVhG7ito4fNiQjdZcB5bL3mz5ejQrPD29uEkDHFzCVTHGFqAdG456w6ivYp7K23SiGREUiQe

Other

- I want to help with development / design / marketing ...

Please PM me. ;)

- I want to integrate new currency in my sevices (pools, block explorers, exchanges etc)

Please check API pages: https://wiki.bytecoin.org/wiki/Main_Page
API is far from being complete. Please PM me for comments or ask on CryptoNote forum: https://forum.cryptonote.org/

- I want to give you money for this project

Here is a donation address in BCN: 27swAkuqXB2M2YNhxjP9qngei9iRdTsH6b2PX7K4ffpugpf3hqiuRUUQvKLxny2iE1hbUANgF81CXL2 v3AiB45v7SmRaPGd

Translations:

[Portuguese] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563927.0

References:

[1] CryptoNote technology page: https://cryptonote.org/inside.php
[2] CryptoNote forum: https://forum.cryptonote.org/
[3] CryptoNote white paper: https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf
[4] Bytecoin (BCN) site: https://bytecoin.org/
[5] Bytecoin (BCN) wiki: https://wiki.bytecoin.org/
[6] Bytecoin (BCN) main thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747
[7] Bytecoin (BCN) mining guide: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=544715

Very good! This must be 1st post ! Also there is a logo contest somewhere in the forum.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: TTM on April 23, 2014, 02:51:15 PM
Since Cryptonote act like a decentralized mixing method, it only make transaction become harder to trace, not completely untraceable as OP claimed.

https://cryptonote.org/img/cn03.png

It's quite similar to Darkcoin which is self claimed to be anonymous currency, but privacy of both is not strong enough for people who crave for a comletely anonymous currency, like myself.

Cryptonote is cool but i think i'll wait till May/June for Zerocash realease.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: cocoakrispies on April 23, 2014, 02:53:39 PM
Since Cryptonote act like a decentralized mixing method, it only make transaction become harder to trace, not completely untraceable as OP claimed.

It's quite similar to Darkcoin which is self claimed to be anonymous currency, but privacy of both is not strong enough for people who crave for a comletely anonymous currency, like myself.

Cryptonote is cool but i think i'll wait till May/June for Zerocash realease.

You completely left out ring signatures, and the public and private one-use keys in your understanding. Please re-read those sections of the source, and then re-explain yourself.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 23, 2014, 02:55:43 PM
New coin based on cryptonote, interesting.

I am curious how much is this one differ from the original one ?  advantages/ disadvantages?

Also wonder to hear any opinion about Bitmonero's perspective in future.

Only in a few ways:
1.) 1 min blocks.
2.) Money supply decimal is shifted so total supply is in the tens of millions.
3.) Money supply distribution is much slower (more similar to Bitcoin's instead of releasing 80% of currency in 2 years).
4.) Base block size without penalty is 20 KB instead of 10 KB.

Other than that it's the normal CryptoNote 2.0 privacy.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: GreekBitcoin on April 23, 2014, 02:58:02 PM
New coin based on cryptonote, interesting.

I am curious how much is this one differ from the original one ?  advantages/ disadvantages?

Also wonder to hear any opinion about Bitmonero's perspective in future.

Only in a few ways:
1.) 1 min blocks.
2.) Money supply decimal is shifted so total supply is in the tens of millions.
3.) Money supply distribution is much slower (more similar to Bitcoin's instead of releasing 80% of currency in 2 years).
4.) Base block size without penalty is 20 KB instead of 10 KB.

Other than that it's the normal CryptoNote 2.0 privacy.

Well you can also still solo mine too. Got 4 blocks over the night :P


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 23, 2014, 02:58:47 PM
Since Cryptonote act like a decentralized mixing method, it only make transaction become harder to trace, not completely untraceable as OP claimed.

It's quite similar to Darkcoin which is self claimed to be anonymous currency, but privacy of both is not strong enough for people who crave for a comletely anonymous currency, like myself.

Cryptonote is cool but i think i'll wait till May/June for Zerocash realease.

CryptoNote has relatively good privacy for transmitting values throughout the network (ring signatures, stealth addressing) while not compromising things like being able to detect inflation over the network.  In ZeroCash, you can only prove that coins have been generated, not the amount that was generated, so any bugs within the system will go undetected.  This would have been a huge problem for Bitcoin, as there was a well known bug involving integer overflow that allowed you to generate 2 billion coins.

Note that zero knowledge proofs are used in the ring signature method by ByteCoin/BitMonero, too (see section 4.4 of the whitepaper).  Obfuscation of signature linkability is much more advanced than that used in DarkCoin, and you need to read the whitepaper to truly appreciate it.

CryptoNote also has support for multisig built in, despite the much more limited scripting language as compared to Bitcoin (see Section 6.3 of the CryptoNote 2.0 whitepaper).  This is important for the implementation of decentralized marketplaces like DarkMarket (https://github.com/darkwallet/darkmarket) that use multisig to enable the blockchain to be an escrow.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 23, 2014, 03:08:51 PM
Well you can also still solo mine too. Got 4 blocks over the night :P

If the network continues to grow at the current rate, likely we will see an end to solo mining in a week or two.  However, we already have all the RPC functions we need to make pools, which is good news.

A P2Pool implementation for ByteCoin/BitMonero would be something wonderful, but likely very complicated.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: TTM on April 23, 2014, 03:12:15 PM
Since Cryptonote act like a decentralized mixing method, it only make transaction become harder to trace, not completely untraceable as OP claimed.

https://cryptonote.org/img/cn03.png

It's quite similar to Darkcoin which is self claimed to be anonymous currency, but privacy of both is not strong enough for people who crave for a comletely anonymous currency, like myself.

Cryptonote is cool but i think i'll wait till May/June for Zerocash realease.

You completely left out ring signatures, and the public and private one-use keys in your understanding. Please re-read those sections of the source, and then re-explain yourself.

From Adam Back's twitter, a cryptographer who is closely involved with Bitcoin, he said that privacy of Zerocash is stronger but has downside: https://twitter.com/adam3us/status/453459268881379328
Quote
zerocash each payment could be ANY user (full anonymity set); cryptonote it could be from small chosen set

Since Cryptonote act like a decentralized mixing method, it only make transaction become harder to trace, not completely untraceable as OP claimed.

It's quite similar to Darkcoin which is self claimed to be anonymous currency, but privacy of both is not strong enough for people who crave for a comletely anonymous currency, like myself.

Cryptonote is cool but i think i'll wait till May/June for Zerocash realease.

CryptoNote has relatively good privacy for transmitting values throughout the network (ring signatures, stealth addressing) while not compromising things like being able to detect inflation over the network.  In ZeroCash, you can only prove that coins have been generated, not the amount that was generated, so any bugs within the system will go undetected.  This would have been a huge problem for Bitcoin, as there was a well known bug involving integer overflow that allowed you to generate 2 billion coins.

I think you were referring to Zerocoin which is proposed extension of Bitcoin. Zerocash is completely different from technical aspect and will be released as an altcoin, not related to Bitcoin. Still little to no information about Zerocash for now.a


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 23, 2014, 03:16:21 PM
No, I am referring to ZeroCash.  There's actually a good deal of information out about it.

See these slides: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXU65XsLiFk


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: cocoakrispies on April 23, 2014, 03:56:05 PM

From Adam Back's twitter, a cryptographer who is closely involved with Bitcoin, he said that privacy of Zerocash is stronger but has downside: https://twitter.com/adam3us/status/453459268881379328
Quote
zerocash each payment could be ANY user (full anonymity set); cryptonote it could be from small chosen set



If you link me one more link to citation to a single line response, our debate is over. I beg of you to learn how to form your own opinions and share them on facts brought in from linking to actual sources. One liners from twitter just don't do it for convincing people or winning debates.

There is no question as to which system is stronger anonymity-wise and I was not implying this. Our debate, is that of which system can be more successful, as you came here and said you will wait for the other coin. Of course, you are going to get a stronger anonymity set if you use every single person involved. But, there are significant downsides to this. For your reading pleasure:



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: TTM on April 23, 2014, 04:00:43 PM

From Adam Back's twitter, a cryptographer who is closely involved with Bitcoin, he said that privacy of Zerocash is stronger but has downside: https://twitter.com/adam3us/status/453459268881379328
Quote
zerocash each payment could be ANY user (full anonymity set); cryptonote it could be from small chosen set



If you link me one more link to citation to a single line response, our debate is over. I beg of you to learn how to form your own opinions and share them on facts brought in from linking to actual sources. One liners from twitter just don't do it for convincing people or winning debates.

There is no question as to which system is stronger anonymity-wise and I was not implying this. Our debate, is that of which system can be more successful, as you came here and said you will wait for the other coin. Of course, you are going to get a stronger anonymity set if you use every single person involved. But, there are significant downsides to this. For your reading pleasure:


Your information from that quote was outdated, Zerocash's proof size was reduced 98% to 288 bytes.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: cocoakrispies on April 23, 2014, 04:08:00 PM

Your information from that quote was outdated, Zerocash's proof size was reduced 98% to 288 bytes.

Good, thanks for the correction. Can you address the other points?

Specifically:

1. How can ZeroCash scale to a massive user base? Will it be able to address the latency issue in transaction propagation, or will it be severely limited to a userbase that is finite -- or one with no capability to handle microtransactions?

and

2. Please address the last issue in the paragraph, where the entire system may be compromised.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: pandher on April 23, 2014, 04:24:04 PM
Anyone wants to sell some monero? pm me


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: TTM on April 23, 2014, 04:24:14 PM
cocoakrispies, I did a Google search based on your quote, and found this thread on Cryptonote forum. In which Maurice Planck, a cryptographer of Cryptonote team already admitted that Zerocash is more advanced technology:
https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18

Quote
This is the most advanced technology, I must admit. Yes, the quote above is from the analysis of the previous version of the protocol. To my knowledge, it's not 288, but 384 bytes, but anyway this is good news.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: twospirit on April 23, 2014, 04:25:10 PM
is there going to be a pool like minergate?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 23, 2014, 04:27:35 PM
cocoakrispies, I did a Google search based on your quote, and found this thread on Cryptonote forum. In which Maurice Planck, a cryptographer of Cryptonote team already admitted that Zerocash is more advanced technology:
https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18

Quote
This is the most advanced technology, I must admit. Yes, the quote above is from the analysis of the previous version of the protocol. To my knowledge, it's not 288, but 384 bytes, but anyway this is good news.

...yes, it's using cryptographic techniques whose security is uncertain and whose obscurity is completely intentional.  "Advanced" doesn't necessary mean "secure" or "fool proof" and if you watch the presentation Green gave he instructs the audience now to put too much money or faith into the initial implementation of the system.

I'm excited for ZeroCash, but in my own opinion I believe ByteCoin/forks are better suited for things like decentralized marketplaces and real-world applications.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 23, 2014, 04:29:42 PM
is there going to be a pool like minergate?

Eventually, yes.  Soloing still works, so there isn't a huge push yet to implement a pool.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 23, 2014, 04:31:41 PM
Anyone wants to sell some monero? pm me

We have an initial trading thread up here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=578192.new


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: pozmu on April 23, 2014, 04:36:24 PM
Since Cryptonote act like a decentralized mixing method, it only make transaction become harder to trace, not completely untraceable as OP claimed.

https://cryptonote.org/img/cn03.png

It's quite similar to Darkcoin which is self claimed to be anonymous currency, but privacy of both is not strong enough for people who crave for a comletely anonymous currency, like myself.

Cryptonote is cool but i think i'll wait till May/June for Zerocash realease.

When sending payment you can choose higher level of privacy if you want - it will result in larger transaction size.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: TTM on April 23, 2014, 04:45:40 PM
cocoakrispies, I did a Google search based on your quote, and found this thread on Cryptonote forum. In which Maurice Planck, a cryptographer of Cryptonote team already admitted that Zerocash is more advanced technology:
https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18

Quote
This is the most advanced technology, I must admit. Yes, the quote above is from the analysis of the previous version of the protocol. To my knowledge, it's not 288, but 384 bytes, but anyway this is good news.

...yes, it's using cryptographic techniques whose security is uncertain and whose obscurity is completely intentional.  "Advanced" doesn't necessary mean "secure" or "fool proof" and if you watch the presentation Green gave he instructs the audience now to put too much money or faith into the initial implementation of the system.

I'm excited for ZeroCash, but in my own opinion I believe ByteCoin/forks are better suited for things like decentralized marketplaces and real-world applications.

I agree that Zerocash base code is new and untested. But your concern about security can be said to whole cryptocurrency. Bitcoin once has an exploit allowing attacker to create infinite amount of coin.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on April 23, 2014, 04:46:03 PM
Since Cryptonote act like a decentralized mixing method, it only make transaction become harder to trace, not completely untraceable as OP claimed.

It's quite similar to Darkcoin which is self claimed to be anonymous currency, but privacy of both is not strong enough for people who crave for a comletely anonymous currency, like myself.

Cryptonote is cool but i think i'll wait till May/June for Zerocash realease.

I never used the word untraceable. That's not what "unlinkable transactions" means -- it's more like automatically generating new public keys for every act of receiving payment. The ring signatures are a different feature.

Yes, zero-knowledge proofs have more anonymity but at the cost of:

  • a completely blinded blockchain making it impossible to monitor the economy
  • an RSA key to initiate the accumulator that has power over the network and must be trusted to be destroyed
  • research-level cryptography that hasn't been subjected to vetting that can only come with usage and time

"It's new and shiny" is not a reason to trust your money with it -- it's a reason not to, in fact. I think decentralized mixing like this or DRK has better prospects than ZeroCash/ZeroCoin. While Green and his team are doing very good work, these are more like academic curiosities right now. Mixing gives robust 99% anonymity (that can be taken to 99.999... with cascaded mixing). By the way, knowing grad students and professors, I'm not holding my breath on a May release. ;)

I agree that Zerocash base code is new and untested. But your concern about security can be said to whole cryptocurrency. Bitcoin once has an exploit allowing attacker to create infinite amount of coin.

Indeed, and with BTC we'd know immediately because we can see generation on the blockchain. A fix would be issued quickly. With Zero, it's game over. As the price decreases with supply flooding the market, maybe someone will eventually guess at it, but it can never actually be known.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: NoodleDoodle on April 23, 2014, 07:06:10 PM
I can't help with anything else but I can donate 2000 BMR towards various projects relating to the coin. I hope it helps.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 23, 2014, 07:22:28 PM
cocoakrispies, I did a Google search based on your quote, and found this thread on Cryptonote forum. In which Maurice Planck, a cryptographer of Cryptonote team already admitted that Zerocash is more advanced technology:
https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18

Quote
This is the most advanced technology, I must admit. Yes, the quote above is from the analysis of the previous version of the protocol. To my knowledge, it's not 288, but 384 bytes, but anyway this is good news.

...yes, it's using cryptographic techniques whose security is uncertain and whose obscurity is completely intentional.  "Advanced" doesn't necessary mean "secure" or "fool proof" and if you watch the presentation Green gave he instructs the audience now to put too much money or faith into the initial implementation of the system.

I'm excited for ZeroCash, but in my own opinion I believe ByteCoin/forks are better suited for things like decentralized marketplaces and real-world applications.

There is a widely repeated maxim not to use any cryptography developed in the past 10 years for anything important. That being the case, ZC won't be ready for prime time until 2024.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Johnny Mnemonic on April 23, 2014, 07:43:27 PM
Last time I checked (and this may have changed), ZeroCash depends on a trusted party to generate a master key, which is utterly stupid and defeats the entire purpose of an anonymous currency.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 23, 2014, 07:45:59 PM
Last time I checked (and this may have changed), ZeroCash depends on a trusted party to generate a master key, which is utterly stupid and defeats the entire purpose of an anonymous currency.

They were talking about a method where the secret gets generated in a distributed manner. I don't know if that got implemented.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: GreekBitcoin on April 23, 2014, 07:47:38 PM
I can't help with anything else but I can donate 2000 BMR towards various projects relating to the coin. I hope it helps.

We obviously need GUI, block explorer and a pool. And a logo! After those probably we will be accepted in an exchange easily if someone can help the exchange with the protocol. Maybe you can devide those as a prize for someone. like 500 for a pool 300 for gui 100 for block explorer 50 for a logo... The rest for something else maybe?

I dont have much but i am also considering to pledge a few BMRs...



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: x0rcist on April 23, 2014, 08:31:30 PM
I can't help with anything else but I can donate 2000 BMR towards various projects relating to the coin. I hope it helps.

That would be awesome! Lets hope TFT shows up to setup a bounty list.

For the people on freenode, come join us at #bitmonero, we have a bot running with current hashrate and estimated blocks per day based on hashrate.

Code:
!bmrdiff // !bmrheight // !bmrhash // !bmrcalc


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 23, 2014, 09:37:19 PM
Discussion of chain future going on presently in IRC


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Spekulatius on April 23, 2014, 10:05:13 PM
chatter's digest?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: David Latapie on April 23, 2014, 10:06:03 PM
Not finished yet, come join in!

So far:
  • Changing bitmonero (BMR) to monero (MRO)
  • Buying a domain name (done: monero.cc, cc standing for "crypto currency")
  • Creating an account for an new OP (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=582080.0). This OP includes eizh's proposal (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563821.msg6349635#msg6349635). The account password will be given to trusted monero users


New OP: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=582080.0


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 24, 2014, 09:21:34 AM
Not finished yet, come join in!

So far:
  • Changing bitmonero (BMR) to monero (MRO)
  • Buying a domain name (done: monero.cc, cc standing for "crypto currency")
  • Creating an account for an new OP (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=582080.0). This OP includes eizh's proposal (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563821.msg6349635#msg6349635). The account password will be given to trusted monero users


New OP: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=582080.0

Hi!

I'm ok about renaming. But I'm not ok about proposed hardfork without support of at least 50% of miners. See new OP for comments.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: portalindo on April 24, 2014, 10:41:19 AM
Sorry for newbie question ...

How do i know that my machine already mining? i'm checking my hashrate still 0.000 but my cpu usage already above 90%.

With set_log 2 i could see comment for MINING PAUSED and MINING RESUMED

Thanks in advanced for someone that willing to reply my stupid question  ;D


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: lemier on April 24, 2014, 12:49:21 PM
Not finished yet, come join in!

So far:
  • Changing bitmonero (BMR) to monero (MRO)
  • Buying a domain name (done: monero.cc, cc standing for "crypto currency")
  • Creating an account for an new OP (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=582080.0). This OP includes eizh's proposal (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563821.msg6349635#msg6349635). The account password will be given to trusted monero users


New OP: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=582080.0

Hi!

I'm ok about renaming. But I'm not ok about proposed hardfork without support of at least 50% of miners. See new OP for comments.

A lot of controversies there. If you want to discuss new CryptoNote implementation, welcome: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=582746
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563821.0


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Wanesst on April 24, 2014, 01:22:37 PM
Luke, I have news from your Father!

Bytecoin needs new super-logo as all coins, so I announce the logo contest.

There is the link to special thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=582743 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=582743)!

Logo contest will be ended May, 12 at 00:00. After that our community will vote for favorites (I will create a vote) and a decision will be made in 24 hours.

Reward for winner is 2,000,000 BCN! Today 2 mln BCN is approximately equal to 0.4 BTC.

Ready, steady, go!

http://www.jorymon.com/images/2009/march/darthvader_money1.jpg



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Jungian on April 25, 2014, 04:54:39 PM
Give me the rundown here.

Bytecoin vs Bitmoneros? What's the difference?

Why one over the other?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 25, 2014, 04:58:17 PM
Give me the rundown here.

Bytecoin vs Bitmoneros? What's the difference?

Why one over the other?

Hey,

We moved to this thread since TFT's been quiet lately
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.0

Main differences:
- 20kb penalty free block sizes
- 1 minute blocks
- emission time is halved (80% distributed over 4 years)
- emission is via clearnet (80% of ByteCoin was mined in the past two years by persons unknown, it only entered the clearnet last month apparently)
- what is often considered a fair chance to mine the coin (instructions for solo mining, release of linux source and windows binaries at launch)

So far only 0.1% of Monero has been distributed.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Jungian on April 25, 2014, 05:04:42 PM
Give me the rundown here.

Bytecoin vs Bitmoneros? What's the difference?

Why one over the other?

Hey,

We moved to this thread since TFT's been quiet lately
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.0

Main differences:
- 20kb penalty free block sizes
- 1 minute blocks
- emission time is halved (80% distributed over 4 years)
- emission is via clearnet (80% of ByteCoin was mined in the past two years by persons unknown, it only entered the clearnet last month apparently)
- what is often considered a fair chance to mine the coin (instructions for solo mining, release of linux source and windows binaries at launch)

So far only 0.1% of Monero has been distributed.


Thank you!

I just found out about them today. Looks like something good. I'm all for innovation in the anonymous end.. hopefully I can find a few blocks :)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 25, 2014, 10:33:50 PM
- emission is via clearnet (80% of ByteCoin was mined in the past two years by persons unknown, it only entered the clearnet last month apparently)

We don't even know it was two years. Technically all those blocks could have been created in a short time by someone with enough hash power (and it isn't even really that much). The problem with all this lack of transparency is that you really can't trust anything about it.

I call it a ninja premine because for either reason, the name fits. If they mined for two years, then they are good at staying hidden. If they mined in a few days or weeks and then launched with this unverifiable story about a two year history in the deep web, then they are experts in disguise and deception.










Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 26, 2014, 01:03:38 PM

Voting about emission curve change added: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=585480


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Stanford on April 26, 2014, 06:13:47 PM
Picture that shows how actually public key and ring signature is working! Description really helped me to understand the mechanism of using key and a signature in transactions.   


I've found a new section on CryptoNote website, the standard transaction generation: https://cryptonote.org/inside.php#standard-transaction

Quote
A standard CryptoNote transaction is generated by the following sequence covered in the white paper.
Bob decides to spend an output, which was sent to the one-time public key. He needs Extra (1), TxOutNumber (2), and his Account private key (3) to recover his one-time private key (4).
When sending a transaction to Carol, Bob generates its Extra value by random (5). He uses Extra (6), TxOutNumber (7) and Carol's Account public key (8) to get her Output public key (9).
In the input Bob hides the link to his output among the foreign keys (10). To prevent double-spending he also packs the Key image, derived from his One-time private key (11).
Finally, Bob signs the transaction, using his One-time private key (12), all the public keys (13) and Key Image (14). He appends the resulting Ring Signature to the end of the transaction (15).

I'm not sure I saw it last time I visited the website.

And a nice pic also:

https://cryptonote.org/img/cryptonote_transaction.png

Full-size: https://cryptonote.org/img/cryptonote_transaction.png (https://cryptonote.org/img/cryptonote_transaction.png)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: knightcoin on April 26, 2014, 07:23:51 PM
I was trying to compile it on ubuntu 13.10 but something went wrong ...  ??? first I got a problem with libboost-atomic v1.53.0 .. the I got stuck here ...

Code:
ubuntu@ubuntu:~/bitmonero$ sudo make
mkdir -p build/release
cd build/release && cmake -D CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release ../..
-- Boost version: 1.53.0
-- Found the following Boost libraries:
--   system
--   filesystem
--   thread
--   date_time
--   chrono
--   regex
--   serialization
--   atomic
--   program_options
-- Found Git: /usr/bin/git
-- Could NOT find Threads (missing:  Threads_FOUND)
-- Configuring done
-- Generating done
-- Build files have been written to: /home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release
cd build/release && make
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
fatal: No names found, cannot describe anything.
CMake Warning at src/version.cmake:3 (message):
  Cannot determine current revision.  Make sure that you are building either
  from a Git working tree or from a source archive.


make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
[  0%] Built target version
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
[ 13%] Built target upnpc-static
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
[ 16%] Built target common
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
[ 26%] Built target cryptonote_core
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
[ 45%] Built target crypto
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_atomic.so', needed by `src/connectivity_tool'.  Stop.
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[2]: *** [src/CMakeFiles/connectivity_tool.dir/all] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[1]: *** [all] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make: *** [build-release] Error 2
ubuntu@ubuntu:~/bitmonero$


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: pandher on April 26, 2014, 07:34:36 PM
I was trying to compile it on ubuntu 13.10 but something went wrong ...  ??? first I got a problem with libboost-atomic v1.53.0 .. the I got stuck here ...

Code:
ubuntu@ubuntu:~/bitmonero$ sudo make
mkdir -p build/release
cd build/release && cmake -D CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release ../..
-- Boost version: 1.53.0
-- Found the following Boost libraries:
--   system
--   filesystem
--   thread
--   date_time
--   chrono
--   regex
--   serialization
--   atomic
--   program_options
-- Found Git: /usr/bin/git
-- Could NOT find Threads (missing:  Threads_FOUND)
-- Configuring done
-- Generating done
-- Build files have been written to: /home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release
cd build/release && make
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
fatal: No names found, cannot describe anything.
CMake Warning at src/version.cmake:3 (message):
  Cannot determine current revision.  Make sure that you are building either
  from a Git working tree or from a source archive.


make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
[  0%] Built target version
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
[ 13%] Built target upnpc-static
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
[ 16%] Built target common
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
[ 26%] Built target cryptonote_core
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
[ 45%] Built target crypto
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_atomic.so', needed by `src/connectivity_tool'.  Stop.
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[2]: *** [src/CMakeFiles/connectivity_tool.dir/all] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[1]: *** [all] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make: *** [build-release] Error 2
ubuntu@ubuntu:~/bitmonero$

Are you using 32 bit Ubuntu ?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: knightcoin on April 26, 2014, 07:42:24 PM
I was trying to compile it on ubuntu 13.10 but something went wrong ...  ??? first I got a problem with libboost-atomic v1.53.0 .. the I got stuck here ...

Code:
ubuntu@ubuntu:~/bitmonero$ sudo make
mkdir -p build/release
cd build/release && cmake -D CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release ../..
-- Boost version: 1.53.0
-- Found the following Boost libraries:
--   system
--   filesystem
--   thread
--   date_time
--   chrono
--   regex
--   serialization
--   atomic
--   program_options
-- Found Git: /usr/bin/git
-- Could NOT find Threads (missing:  Threads_FOUND)
-- Configuring done
-- Generating done
-- Build files have been written to: /home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release
cd build/release && make
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
fatal: No names found, cannot describe anything.
CMake Warning at src/version.cmake:3 (message):
  Cannot determine current revision.  Make sure that you are building either
  from a Git working tree or from a source archive.


make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
[  0%] Built target version
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
[ 13%] Built target upnpc-static
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
[ 16%] Built target common
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
[ 26%] Built target cryptonote_core
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
[ 45%] Built target crypto
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_atomic.so', needed by `src/connectivity_tool'.  Stop.
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[2]: *** [src/CMakeFiles/connectivity_tool.dir/all] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[1]: *** [all] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make: *** [build-release] Error 2
ubuntu@ubuntu:~/bitmonero$

Are you using 32 bit Ubuntu ?

noop .. amd64


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Joshuar on April 27, 2014, 01:29:52 AM
This doesn't make sense.

There's a Bitmonero, and a Monero both made by different devs?

Can someone please clarify?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 27, 2014, 01:31:09 AM
This doesn't make sense.

There's a Bitmonero, and a Monero both made by different devs?

Can someone please clarify?

Same fork, same dev as the original author.  The community changed the name, but the original author didn't close the thread.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: knightcoin on April 27, 2014, 03:24:44 AM
This doesn't make sense.

There's a Bitmonero, and a Monero both made by different devs?

Can someone please clarify?

Same fork, same dev as the original author.  The community changed the name, but the original author didn't close the thread.

so I guess the problem is the lib dependence ...


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: xeroc on April 28, 2014, 08:53:44 AM
I was trying to compile it on ubuntu 13.10 but something went wrong ...  ??? first I got a problem with libboost-atomic v1.53.0 .. the I got stuck here ...

Code:
ubuntu@ubuntu:~/bitmonero$ sudo make
mkdir -p build/release
cd build/release && cmake -D CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release ../..
-- Boost version: 1.53.0
-- Found the following Boost libraries:
--   system
--   filesystem
--   thread
--   date_time
--   chrono
--   regex
--   serialization
--   atomic
--   program_options
-- Found Git: /usr/bin/git
-- Could NOT find Threads (missing:  Threads_FOUND)
-- Configuring done
-- Generating done
-- Build files have been written to: /home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release
cd build/release && make
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
fatal: No names found, cannot describe anything.
CMake Warning at src/version.cmake:3 (message):
  Cannot determine current revision.  Make sure that you are building either
  from a Git working tree or from a source archive.


make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
[  0%] Built target version
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
[ 13%] Built target upnpc-static
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
[ 16%] Built target common
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
[ 26%] Built target cryptonote_core
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
[ 45%] Built target crypto
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: Entering directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_atomic.so', needed by `src/connectivity_tool'.  Stop.
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[2]: *** [src/CMakeFiles/connectivity_tool.dir/all] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make[1]: *** [all] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/ubuntu/bitmonero/build/release'
make: *** [build-release] Error 2
ubuntu@ubuntu:~/bitmonero$

Are you using 32 bit Ubuntu ?

noop .. amd64

Here it helped deleting the build folder and starting all over .. I updated boost and then got exactly this error msg.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: knightcoin on April 28, 2014, 02:42:57 PM
I still have trouble to compile it on Linux ... now it's goes a little further .. but complete frozen the machine, I have to reset it manually on power bottom ... today I will try to install libboost 1.55 instead 1.53 as soon as I get a spare time on my job ...  


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: melosine on April 28, 2014, 05:15:56 PM
I tried compiling on Debian, got the libboost error. I can't seem to update to libboost1.55 on testing yet. Don't want to break my system, so I gave up.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 28, 2014, 05:17:43 PM
fresh install of 13.10 works fine, i recommend you just shrink your volume a bit and install it alongside your current linux part.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: stellarman on April 28, 2014, 11:33:33 PM
So, I downloaded and ran the daemon, downloaded the blockchain, figured out the firewall issues, got the daemon to start mining, and actually showed a hash rate. I'm on a 2.8GH AMD Sempron 64-bit Windows 8 machine with 8GB of memory. Decent, but not a super machine. CPU usage is > 95%.

The problem is that the highest hash rate I have seen so far was 0.1 H/sec. Most of the time it is zero.

What's with that??

At this point, I can't justify running the processor at 100% when it is producing no significant hashes.

Anyone have any suggestions?

Rick


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: knightcoin on April 28, 2014, 11:45:20 PM
my linux compiling problem - SOLVED :D ...

http://thumbnails111.imagebam.com/32348/493696323472964.jpg



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 28, 2014, 11:47:34 PM
So, I downloaded and ran the daemon, downloaded the blockchain, figured out the firewall issues, got the daemon to start mining, and actually showed a hash rate. I'm on a 2.8GH AMD Sempron 64-bit Windows 8 machine with 8GB of memory. Decent, but not a super machine. CPU usage is > 95%.

The problem is that the highest hash rate I have seen so far was 0.1 H/sec. Most of the time it is zero.

What's with that??

At this point, I can't justify running the processor at 100% when it is producing no significant hashes.

Anyone have any suggestions?

Rick

Linux or Windows? If Windows, boot to Linux and compile it yourself. The Windows binaries may be poorly optimized for AMD.

Also, I'm not really familiar with the Sempron but if it has small cache and slow access to RAM it may never mine this coin very well. The proof of work for this coin is designed to be memory hard.

I'd try Linux before giving up though.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: knightcoin on April 29, 2014, 12:45:00 AM
So, I downloaded and ran the daemon, downloaded the blockchain, figured out the firewall issues, got the daemon to start mining, and actually showed a hash rate. I'm on a 2.8GH AMD Sempron 64-bit Windows 8 machine with 8GB of memory. Decent, but not a super machine. CPU usage is > 95%.

The problem is that the highest hash rate I have seen so far was 0.1 H/sec. Most of the time it is zero.

What's with that??

At this point, I can't justify running the processor at 100% when it is producing no significant hashes.

Anyone have any suggestions?

Rick

Linux or Windows? If Windows, boot to Linux and compile it yourself. The Windows binaries may be poorly optimized for AMD.

Also, I'm not really familiar with the Sempron but if it has small cache and slow access to RAM it may never mine this coin very well. The proof of work for this coin is designed to be memory hard.

I'd try Linux before giving up though.


it's awkward ... on the exacly same machine I get 13.9 hashrate on bytecoin daemon ... but monero daemon all I got this below .. any clues ?

http://oi58.tinypic.com/4i0qk0.jpg


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 29, 2014, 12:49:30 AM
it's awkward ... on the exacly same machine I get 13.9 hashrate on bytecoin daemon ... but monero daemon all I got this below .. any clues ?

That is odd, the mining code is exactly the same. Have you tried restarting? Deleting and redownloading the block chain (the Monero block chain is pretty small, so this is easy)?

Sounds like something is messsed up.

When you do print_cn in the daemon do you see active connections? BCN and MRO use different ports to connect, maybe one is being blocked by a firewall. That's the only difference I can think of.



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: knightcoin on April 29, 2014, 01:02:12 AM
it's awkward ... on the exacly same machine I get 13.9 hashrate on bytecoin daemon ... but monero daemon all I got this below .. any clues ?

That is odd, the mining code is exactly the same. Have you tried restarting? Deleting and redownloading the block chain (the Monero block chain is pretty small, so this is easy)?

Sounds like something is messsed up.

When you do print_cn in the daemon do you see active connections? BCN and MRO use different ports to connect, maybe one is being blocked by a firewall. That's the only difference I can think of.



now is fine ... thanks ;)

http://i58.tinypic.com/15hg1uu.png


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: mrpopgun on April 29, 2014, 04:44:19 AM
Has anyone benched a Haswell i3 vs a Haswell i7?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: gaba on April 29, 2014, 11:58:26 AM
21 days behind after 1 hour of synchronization. It's that OK?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: stellarman on April 30, 2014, 02:51:59 AM


now is fine ... thanks ;)

http://i58.tinypic.com/15hg1uu.png

What did you do to get it working better?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: knightcoin on April 30, 2014, 07:28:01 AM


now is fine ... thanks ;)

http://i58.tinypic.com/15hg1uu.png

What did you do to get it working better?

Microsoft Solution, restart, joking but I was about to do that ... then what I actually did was change the process priority before.. just to see what happens... and did works .. lucky me ...

Code:
renice {priority} pid


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: knightcoin on April 30, 2014, 07:31:57 AM
But I think it's very hard to solo mining rigth now .. I got 2 machines running @ 29 hashrate 24 hours and noting ... not even a single block .. so I going to stop and wait for a pool server ... I'll back to primecoin mining ... 


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on April 30, 2014, 08:06:00 AM
But I think it's very hard to solo mining rigth now .. I got 2 machines running @ 29 hashrate 24 hours and noting ... not even a single block .. so I going to stop and wait for a pool server ... I'll back to primecoin mining ... 

Total hash rate is about 10000. With 29 you should get 0.29% of the blocks. There are 1440 blocks per day so you should be getting 4 blocks per day at that rate. You might want to keep going.



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Patejl on April 30, 2014, 02:02:53 PM
Something is wrong. I can't get into my windows wallet anymore.

Error: refresh error: transaction extra parse error.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: GreekBitcoin on April 30, 2014, 02:32:49 PM
Something is wrong. I can't get into my windows wallet anymore.

Error: refresh error: transaction extra parse error.


I got the same error in Linux a few minutes ago... I have a feeling that this is not good :D


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: dnaleor on April 30, 2014, 02:43:00 PM
What is the issue? I can not connect at the momen (I am on a public network witrh restrictions...)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on April 30, 2014, 02:44:30 PM
Transaction extra parse issue

Fixing as we speak

Please use main thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.0


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 30, 2014, 03:17:36 PM
Transaction extra parse issue

Fixing as we speak

Please use main thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.0

Takotime, there are two issues:

1. Main thread is here.

2. Bug is fixed.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: dnaleor on April 30, 2014, 03:35:25 PM
Transaction extra parse issue

Fixing as we speak

Please use main thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.0

Takotime, there are two issues:

1. Main thread is here.

2. Bug is fixed.

You did not really fix it.
You just ignore every error in the code with your 'update'


We should wait for tacotime to confirm that the issue is fixed.

PS: We should all use the main thread: Please use main thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.0


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on April 30, 2014, 03:42:37 PM
Transaction extra parse issue

Fixing as we speak

Please use main thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.0

Takotime, there are two issues:

1. Main thread is here.

2. Bug is fixed.

You did not really fix it.
You just ignore every error in the code with your 'update'


We should wait for tacotime to confirm that the issue is fixed.

PS: We should all use the main thread: Please use main thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.0

This tx can't be parsed properly because it has additional data inside that wallet doesn't understand. It has to be ignored.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Patron92 on April 30, 2014, 06:12:43 PM
I am utterly confused
TFT, please, tell , what thread is the main ?
And I am interesting where I can get the instruction what to do with the error? how to get into the wallet 


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: matej krkic on May 02, 2014, 07:06:08 AM
I am utterly confused
TFT, please, tell , what thread is the main ?
And I am interesting where I can get the instruction what to do with the error? how to get into the wallet 

This is the main thread.
You can call Bitmonero like MyPersonalCoin and strart new thread, discussing this coin, like pepople have done with Monero. But it is stil Bitmonero, not MyPersonalCoin, not Monero.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Agent99 on May 05, 2014, 11:59:46 AM
What the hash rate now? btw, where can I find it by myself ? looking ahead I gonna ask it again unless someone would tell me where and how to get this info
Thanks in advance


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: David Latapie on May 05, 2014, 12:14:02 PM
I am utterly confused
TFT, please, tell , what thread is the main ?
This one is the main thread for bitmonero/BMR (monero/MRO is somewhere else. Until TFT implements merge mining on BMR, bitmonero and monero are the same coin, though. MRO is for the time being a softfork of BMR (please correct me if I am wrong).

What the hash rate now? btw, where can I find it by myself ? looking ahead I gonna ask it again unless someone would tell me where and how to get this info
Thanks in advance
You can get an estimate of the hashrate on IRC at #monero (freenode) by typing !bmrhash.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Agent99 on May 05, 2014, 12:32:59 PM
I am utterly confused
TFT, please, tell , what thread is the main ?
This one is the main thread for bitmonero/BMR (monero/MRO is somewhere else. Until TFT implements merge mining on BMR, bitmonero and monero are the same coin, though. MRO is for the time being a softfork of BMR (please correct me if I am wrong).

What the hash rate now? btw, where can I find it by myself ? looking ahead I gonna ask it again unless someone would tell me where and how to get this info
Thanks in advance
You can get an estimate of the hashrate on IRC at #monero (freenode) by typing !bmrhash.

Thanks a lot for fast answering, mate.
Now I know what to do next time I want to know the hr


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: David Latapie on May 05, 2014, 12:46:50 PM
I am utterly confused
TFT, please, tell , what thread is the main ?
This one is the main thread for bitmonero/BMR (monero/MRO is somewhere else. Until TFT implements merge mining on BMR, bitmonero and monero are the same coin, though. MRO is for the time being a softfork of BMR (please correct me if I am wrong).

What the hash rate now? btw, where can I find it by myself ? looking ahead I gonna ask it again unless someone would tell me where and how to get this info
Thanks in advance
You can get an estimate of the hashrate on IRC at #monero (freenode) by typing !bmrhash.

Thanks a lot for fast answering, mate.
Now I know what to do next time I want to know the hr
Remember this is an estimation. If you know your own hr, you can use !bmrcalc 2.55 (assuming you have a 2.55 hr), it will give you how many block you will get at current hr. Multiply by 17 to get the number of moneros (strictly speaking, we should speak of moneroj, not moneros, since monero is an esperanto word and that esperanto marks plural by suffixing with a -j).


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: emontmon on May 05, 2014, 03:09:42 PM
as all words get adopted, they are changed by the community adopting it. it is no necessary to use the conjugation of the original language.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Patejl on May 06, 2014, 02:30:31 PM
Difficulty became really crazy. Two days with new Windows miner, 20H/s and nothing.  :-\ It seems to be more difficult than bytecoin mining. We need some some pool.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: MCOnyx on May 06, 2014, 02:32:46 PM
Yup, diff is through the roof, any ETA on pool?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on May 06, 2014, 02:33:28 PM
Yup, diff is through the roof, any ETA on pool?

open source pool software is in active development (see other thread)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: pozmu on May 06, 2014, 02:34:28 PM
Yup, diff is through the roof, any ETA on pool?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=589533


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Wanesst on May 06, 2014, 06:38:17 PM
Guys, here is a new CryptoNote fork - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=585611 (FantomCoin) with a merged mining Bytecoin and BitMonero. Can be mined both coins at the same time!

There is a GUI-miner (no command line ;)):

http://i.imgur.com/DghlI7F.jpg



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: atomiclock on May 07, 2014, 01:57:11 PM
This coin looks good.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: 33zer0w0lf on May 08, 2014, 07:52:38 AM
if I have multiple miners how do I search or determine which miner found a block
Ubuntu
I attempted grep "found block" bitemonerod.log but need not see found block anywhere, however I did find a block.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on May 08, 2014, 07:56:33 AM
if I have multiple miners how do I search or determine which miner found a block
Ubuntu
I attempted grep "found block" bitemonerod.log but need not see found block anywhere, however I did find a block.

grep "Found block" bitmonerod.log


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on May 08, 2014, 01:29:27 PM
Hello!

We've launched a new website - bitmonero.org (http://bitmonero.org/)

Please feel free to visit it. :)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: btc-mike on May 08, 2014, 03:49:06 PM
Hello!

We've launched a new website - bitmonero.org (http://bitmonero.org/)

Please feel free to visit it. :)

Thats odd. I thought Bitmonero had become Monero and you had joined forces with smooth and TacoTime. Is that not the case?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: creepywheepy on May 08, 2014, 08:36:28 PM
Hello!

We've launched a new website - bitmonero.org (http://bitmonero.org/)

Please feel free to visit it. :)

Thats odd. I thought Bitmonero had become Monero and you had joined forces with smooth and TacoTime. Is that not the case?

Actually, it is complicated. Now BitMonero and Monero is the same but don't know when exactly it has happened some guys just decided to secede from TFT and continue developing it by themselves.

Can't see any profits for our community, the situation with Monero (by smooth and tacotime and NoodleDoodle) is shady. Looks like a scam.
Why they secede from TFT? Why not to continue developing this coin? what's the reason they made these decision?
To shady community they have and too aggressive to another coins.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on May 08, 2014, 08:46:06 PM
I decided to tidy up bitmonero GitHub rep tonight, so now there is all valuable things from latest BCN commits & Win32. Faster hash from quazarcoin is also there. So BMR rep is the freshest one.

You may check it: https://github.com/bitmonero-project/bitmonero

Latest update of binaries are available at www.bitmonero.org now.
Win64 (https://mega.co.nz/#!RYtBTbIL!SIywdDfZo9iXpqYzglBYFzfgUN-_fpSLlLWxVuVXQF4)
Win32 (https://mega.co.nz/#!YIE2WBpQ!iGRCJgDUckMCbx_D1ps_-G2AtbKFZ0tCkDJIPmMop4E)
Ubuntu (https://mega.co.nz/#!YYlU2TwA!g6JzIZdSNAAU_pfpXV7jVT_1xpAaAZBbxf0FlmmO4Go)
MacOS (https://mega.co.nz/#!NNMzCaZJ!JRI9l4YLxLvOLQ8UQgAO-oq4a-tPPkjyJxnexasXMe4)

I'm working on another good feature now, so stay tuned.




Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: trustnobody on May 10, 2014, 10:01:57 AM
I decided to tidy up bitmonero GitHub rep tonight, so now there is all valuable things from latest BCN commits & Win32. Faster hash from quazarcoin is also there. So BMR rep is the freshest one.

You may check it: https://github.com/bitmonero-project/bitmonero

Latest update of binaries are available at www.bitmonero.org now.
Win64 (https://mega.co.nz/#!RYtBTbIL!SIywdDfZo9iXpqYzglBYFzfgUN-_fpSLlLWxVuVXQF4)
Win32 (https://mega.co.nz/#!YIE2WBpQ!iGRCJgDUckMCbx_D1ps_-G2AtbKFZ0tCkDJIPmMop4E)
Ubuntu (https://mega.co.nz/#!YYlU2TwA!g6JzIZdSNAAU_pfpXV7jVT_1xpAaAZBbxf0FlmmO4Go)
MacOS (https://mega.co.nz/#!NNMzCaZJ!JRI9l4YLxLvOLQ8UQgAO-oq4a-tPPkjyJxnexasXMe4)

I'm working on another good feature now, so stay tuned.




Waiting forward for your new features. Good work!


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: jadehorse on May 10, 2014, 10:19:28 AM
I decided to tidy up bitmonero GitHub rep tonight, so now there is all valuable things from latest BCN commits & Win32. Faster hash from quazarcoin is also there. So BMR rep is the freshest one.

You may check it: https://github.com/bitmonero-project/bitmonero

Latest update of binaries are available at www.bitmonero.org now.
Win64 (https://mega.co.nz/#!RYtBTbIL!SIywdDfZo9iXpqYzglBYFzfgUN-_fpSLlLWxVuVXQF4)
Win32 (https://mega.co.nz/#!YIE2WBpQ!iGRCJgDUckMCbx_D1ps_-G2AtbKFZ0tCkDJIPmMop4E)
Ubuntu (https://mega.co.nz/#!YYlU2TwA!g6JzIZdSNAAU_pfpXV7jVT_1xpAaAZBbxf0FlmmO4Go)
MacOS (https://mega.co.nz/#!NNMzCaZJ!JRI9l4YLxLvOLQ8UQgAO-oq4a-tPPkjyJxnexasXMe4)

I'm working on another good feature now, so stay tuned.




This means Bitmonero has last updates and real true site is bitmonero.org, not monero.cc?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Qwerty777 on May 10, 2014, 10:32:17 AM
I decided to tidy up bitmonero GitHub rep tonight, so now there is all valuable things from latest BCN commits & Win32. Faster hash from quazarcoin is also there. So BMR rep is the freshest one.

You may check it: https://github.com/bitmonero-project/bitmonero

Latest update of binaries are available at www.bitmonero.org now.
Win64 (https://mega.co.nz/#!RYtBTbIL!SIywdDfZo9iXpqYzglBYFzfgUN-_fpSLlLWxVuVXQF4)
Win32 (https://mega.co.nz/#!YIE2WBpQ!iGRCJgDUckMCbx_D1ps_-G2AtbKFZ0tCkDJIPmMop4E)
Ubuntu (https://mega.co.nz/#!YYlU2TwA!g6JzIZdSNAAU_pfpXV7jVT_1xpAaAZBbxf0FlmmO4Go)
MacOS (https://mega.co.nz/#!NNMzCaZJ!JRI9l4YLxLvOLQ8UQgAO-oq4a-tPPkjyJxnexasXMe4)

I'm working on another good feature now, so stay tuned.




Good to see you back.Will you continue to develop and update Bitmonero?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Elerntta on May 10, 2014, 10:54:20 AM
I still didn't get what was the need to rename the coin? the vote only did this issue even more incomprehensible than it was for me


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: FasterStronger on May 10, 2014, 10:59:15 AM
What will monero fans do while the developer of Bitmonero is back and working hard on this cryptocurrensy?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: emontmon on May 10, 2014, 06:06:57 PM
What will monero fans do while the developer of Bitmonero is back and working hard on this cryptocurrensy?

Nothing. Just as what can tft do now. He either forks or joins monero. Unless monero introduces new ideas, they they will hard fork. Either way the problem will resolve itself.



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: cyrpi4 on May 10, 2014, 06:21:50 PM
What will monero fans do while the developer of Bitmonero is back and working hard on this cryptocurrensy?

Nothing. Just as what can tft do now. He either forks or joins monero. Unless monero introduces new ideas, they they will hard fork. Either way the problem will resolve itself.



Indeed. Now Monero's dev must  show us some news ideas otherwise they don't have anything special to make their coin attractive.
I see no perspective of Monero as they've lost TFT and only thing they can do is to shout about Monero and gossip that other coins's dev are trying to blacken the reputation


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: JunkieMiner on May 10, 2014, 06:58:57 PM
Hello!

We've launched a new website - bitmonero.org (http://bitmonero.org/)

Please feel free to visit it. :)

Thats odd. I thought Bitmonero had become Monero and you had joined forces with smooth and TacoTime. Is that not the case?

Thought there is only one coin. That's the point to make change a lit bit the name and make a new thread?
I love this name - BitMonero, similar to BitCoin, better choice, IMHO


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: GreedyBoy on May 10, 2014, 07:21:56 PM
Hello!

We've launched a new website - bitmonero.org (http://bitmonero.org/)

Please feel free to visit it. :)


Web site look pretty good. Good you've made the same .org address as Bytecoin has.
btw, nice to see the link to reddit.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Patron92 on May 10, 2014, 07:47:14 PM
Is it possible to MM it with FCN ?

btw, what is better to mine two coins or mine one only?

IMO that in both situation there are pros and cons. If you mine only one you HR is higher so no need to describe why it is good. If you MM two coins when you HR is lower but it is like hedging stake. These two coins are new and no one knows which one will succeed in future.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Stanford on May 10, 2014, 07:56:56 PM
You mac version is great. My Mac have mined much more than my Win PC.

Your web site is easy to use. Nice design, btw  :)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: emontmon on May 10, 2014, 08:14:08 PM
What will monero fans do while the developer of Bitmonero is back and working hard on this cryptocurrensy?

Nothing. Just as what can tft do now. He either forks or joins monero. Unless monero introduces new ideas, they they will hard fork. Either way the problem will resolve itself.



Indeed. Now Monero's dev must  show us some news ideas otherwise they don't have anything special to make their coin attractive.
I see no perspective of Monero as they've lost TFT and only thing they can do is to shout about Monero and gossip that other coins's dev are trying to blacken the reputation

Well considering tft did not do anything original with monero (bitmonero), and then he created fantom coin he comes across as unoriginal and frantic withought direction. Perhapse even schizophrenic as he is so non communicative and suspicious.  
1.bitmonero horrible name that he chose even though he wanted a vote that never materialized.
2. Fantom coin development with non optimized miner.
3. Back to bitmonero to attempt to resurrect it as a new coin despite monero and bit monero are one and the same coin.
4. Questionable support from a plethora of new individuals that give the impression they have no idea how tft messed up the bitmonero (monero) launch.
5. He developed fantomcoincoin because he wanted merged mining. That means he does as he pleases despite Consensus. So far he does not in still any confidence.
6. I suspect he will do it again.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: aminorex on May 11, 2014, 02:36:41 AM
I can see very little point in taking sides or throwing stones.  Everyone stands to gain from cooperation, not from competition.  This coin has much better potential than darkcoin, and so far should be able to seize the ripe anonymity niche, if it is not mismanaged.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: jadehorse on May 11, 2014, 08:57:49 AM
Hello!

We've launched a new website - bitmonero.org (http://bitmonero.org/)

Please feel free to visit it. :)

simple and clear design. So this is a real site of the true currency not monero.cc, isn't it?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: trustnobody on May 11, 2014, 09:09:12 AM
Hello!

We've launched a new website - bitmonero.org (http://bitmonero.org/)

Please feel free to visit it. :)

does this site already have all the new features and updates?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Breaking6745 on May 11, 2014, 09:51:43 AM
Hello!

We've launched a new website - bitmonero.org (http://bitmonero.org/)

Please feel free to visit it. :)

does this site already have all the new features and updates?


Yep! the developer is back and working on this coin. The latest info is there


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on May 11, 2014, 01:44:08 PM
Hello!

We've launched a new website - bitmonero.org (http://bitmonero.org/)

Please feel free to visit it. :)

does this site already have all the new features and updates?


Yep! the developer is back and working on this coin. The latest info is there

Yes, stay tuned  ;)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: emontmon on May 11, 2014, 02:11:51 PM
Hello!

We've launched a new website - bitmonero.org (http://bitmonero.org/)

Please feel free to visit it. :)

does this site already have all the new features and updates?


Yep! the developer is back and working on this coin. The latest info is there

Yes, stay tuned  ;)

TFT:

1. will you be forking bimonero into a new coin or are you expecting monero to fork away into a new coin.
2. you now have two projects. fantomcoin and bitmonero ( I assume independent from monero)
3. what is your goal in producing two bytecoin clones.
4. how is fantomcoin different from bitmonero.
5. why is another clone of bytecoin, another cryptonight coin necessary.
6. have you added to the security/anonymity that cryptonight algorithum proposes... i.e honeypenny's work seems very thought out. (you have created 2 coins in a shorter period than honeypenny has taken to produce one coin.) either you are a super genius or is this a pump and dump or is it regret. regret of walking away from monero when you were ok with name change.
7. clearly you are knowledgeable and capable. why not work with the current monero team and build that coin. there are concerns about anynomity not being at all guaranteed (this is true for zerocash as well) since the IP address of sender is not obfuscated. is this not a concern for you as you are currently prolaiming fantomcoin and bitmonero as anonymous. is it what you had said about the emission curve of bitmonero at time of release that it would be flatter but in reality it was not. therefore, can your claims be trusted.


thanks.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Monkeyseemonkeydo on May 12, 2014, 04:02:59 AM
1. will you be forking bimonero into a new coin or are you expecting monero to fork away into a new coin.

This is always confusing me - IMO why don't you continue to develop only one coin? what's the necessity to make a fork?

2. you now have to projects.   emontmon, you've meed ''W'' ;)


IMO, point #6 was unexpected and as for point #7, I think, this one is clear (but would like to hear TFT answer)
I think that's because TTF has his own view on everything differ from monero's dev team.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: slapper on May 12, 2014, 04:18:12 AM
TFT's major problem is forcing merge mining with BCN in order to keep BCN alive. I think he underestimated BTCTalk's aversion for premines/shadowmine/instamines and merge mining was just a way to support the BCN cartel. Maybe he was pressured to do it by those BCN deepnerds.

The community just didn't want to start another fork and wanted to work with TFT but one can understand that he was not allowed by the BCN team to release something that would undercut BCN. He will not be able to support MRO publicly and what the community wanted to avoid, happened anyways but only after a lot of bloodbath and he said/she said that doesn't do anyone any good.

MRO will continue on and one side needs to fork and I think it should be MRO since TFT brought the coin here in the first place. Let him be and I am sure some new sockpuppets will be "loving merge mining with BCN". After a few weeks/months there will be one CN based coin that the majority will support and will come out on top. This status quo must end asap.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: beetlefeet on May 12, 2014, 11:48:49 AM
Ok I started mining a few days ago and got a block today. But I don't even know if I'm mining BMR or MRO?! How can I tell?
Is there anywhere to check balance for an address with either of these 2 coins?!

Coming from BTC/LTC/PPC etc I'm quite interested in MRO due to the fresh codebase and new proof of work and more anonymous transactions. But the marketing for these coins is ridiculous... I only found out that there were 2 'monero' coins days after beginning to mine.... Why aren't there messages on either site about the other's existence and explaining what it means?

[Edit] is it only a soft fork (same blockchain) at the moment? [/Edit]


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on May 12, 2014, 12:03:39 PM
Hashrate chart update.

http://i.imgur.com/K7DfaBN.png



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: emontmon on May 12, 2014, 12:04:59 PM
Ok I started mining a few days ago and got a block today. But I don't even know if I'm mining BMR or MRO?! How can I tell?
Is there anywhere to check balance for an address with either of these 2 coins?!

Coming from BTC/LTC/PPC etc I'm quite interested in MRO due to the fresh codebase and new proof of work and more anonymous transactions. But the marketing for these coins is ridiculous... I only found out that there were 2 'monero' coins days after beginning to mine.... Why aren't there messages on either site about the other's existence and explaining what it means?

[Edit] is it only a soft fork (same blockchain) at the moment? [/Edit]

as stated in my post about 4 up thread and in many other places and alluded to by the post right before yours

bitmonero is one and the same as monero.
name change requested by the community. no difference as of now.
a fork will likely come in the future but I like you, would like that clearly stated with days in advance notice so that there is no confusion. like you I am confused easily.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on May 14, 2014, 06:43:01 PM
For those who prefer to MM MRO with FCN udated binaries are available at  bitmonero.org (http://bitmonero.org)
Inability of donor network coins transferring was fixed.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: human on May 15, 2014, 02:36:09 AM
There is a new Monero pool...

http://moneropool.com/
Check it out and profit!

Admin promised...
Quote
DOUBLE reward for the first 10 mined blocks for all who contributed
This means 170 free moneros to grab for miners who point their mining power to moneropool.com


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: xibeijan on May 15, 2014, 12:31:20 PM
Where can I buy some Bitmonero?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: GreekBitcoin on May 15, 2014, 12:36:34 PM
Where can I buy some Bitmonero?


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=578192.0

https://cryptonote.exchange.to/

https://www.swaphole.com/


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: VaultBoy on May 15, 2014, 12:49:15 PM
There is a new Monero pool...
How to mine on win2003 32?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: minorkacologne on May 15, 2014, 12:52:08 PM
Hashrate chart update.

http://i.imgur.com/K7DfaBN.png



Wow this one look very good.

Good luck with this coin


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: xibeijan on May 15, 2014, 01:13:33 PM
Where can I buy some Bitmonero?


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=578192.0

https://cryptonote.exchange.to/

https://www.swaphole.com/

Where can I get chart of historic price info?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Sheryl Dimakiling73 on May 15, 2014, 01:26:46 PM
Looks interesting, definitely something to look out for, I hope you guys get the attention you deserve


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: GreekBitcoin on May 15, 2014, 02:20:10 PM
Where can I buy some Bitmonero?


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=578192.0

https://cryptonote.exchange.to/

https://www.swaphole.com/

Where can I get chart of historic price info?

there is a chart in the first link i sent you. I think it also adds the second's link sells and buys


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: poochpocket on May 19, 2014, 04:53:41 AM
Monero is on Poloniex
https://poloniex.com/exchange/btc_mro


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: c789 on May 19, 2014, 05:06:58 PM
Trying to install this from source on Ubuntu 14.04. When I ran make, it gave the error that Boost 1.54 is unsupported. I searched for earlier versions of Boost but couldn't find any.

Anyone know how to fix this?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: 33zer0w0lf on May 19, 2014, 05:13:59 PM
Trying to install this from source on Ubuntu 14.04. When I ran make, it gave the error that Boost 1.54 is unsupported. I searched for earlier versions of Boost but couldn't find any.

Anyone know how to fix this?
get boost1.55

or use the starter pack located on monero.cc


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: shekelsteingoyberg2 on May 19, 2014, 07:39:46 PM
Are they actually working on adding a GUI wallet?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: c789 on May 19, 2014, 08:17:34 PM
Trying to install this from source on Ubuntu 14.04. When I ran make, it gave the error that Boost 1.54 is unsupported. I searched for earlier versions of Boost but couldn't find any.

Anyone know how to fix this?
get boost1.55

or use the starter pack located on monero.cc

Thanks. At first I tried the starter pack and ran the script, but had many errors.  So, I downloaded Boost 1.55 directly from Boost, and after I ran sudo ./b2 this was the ouput:

Code:
gcc.compile.c++ bin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/threading-multi/bzip2.o
libs/iostreams/src/bzip2.cpp:20:56: fatal error: bzlib.h: No such file or directory
 #include "bzlib.h"  // Julian Seward's "bzip.h" header.
                                                        ^
compilation terminated.

    "g++"  -ftemplate-depth-128 -O3 -finline-functions -Wno-inline -Wall -pthread -fPIC  -DBOOST_ALL_NO_LIB=1 -DBOOST_IOSTREAMS_DYN_LINK=1 -DBOOST_IOSTREAMS_USE_DEPRECATED -DNDEBUG  -I"." -c -o "bin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/threading-multi/bzip2.o" "libs/iostreams/src/bzip2.cpp"

...failed gcc.compile.c++ bin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/threading-multi/bzip2.o...
...skipped <pbin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/threading-multi>libboost_iostreams.so.1.55.0 for lack of <pbin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/threading-multi>bzip2.o...
...skipped <pstage/lib>libboost_iostreams.so.1.55.0 for lack of <pbin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/threading-multi>libboost_iostreams.so.1.55.0...
...skipped <pstage/lib>libboost_iostreams.so for lack of <pstage/lib>libboost_iostreams.so.1.55.0...
gcc.compile.c++ bin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/link-static/threading-multi/bzip2.o
libs/iostreams/src/bzip2.cpp:20:56: fatal error: bzlib.h: No such file or directory
 #include "bzlib.h"  // Julian Seward's "bzip.h" header.
                                                        ^
compilation terminated.

    "g++"  -ftemplate-depth-128 -O3 -finline-functions -Wno-inline -Wall -pthread  -DBOOST_ALL_NO_LIB=1 -DBOOST_IOSTREAMS_USE_DEPRECATED -DNDEBUG  -I"." -c -o "bin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/link-static/threading-multi/bzip2.o" "libs/iostreams/src/bzip2.cpp"

...failed gcc.compile.c++ bin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/link-static/threading-multi/bzip2.o...
...skipped <pbin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/link-static/threading-multi>libboost_iostreams.a(clean) for lack of <pbin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/link-static/threading-multi>bzip2.o...
...skipped <pbin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/link-static/threading-multi>libboost_iostreams.a for lack of <pbin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/link-static/threading-multi>bzip2.o...
...skipped <pstage/lib>libboost_iostreams.a for lack of <pbin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/link-static/threading-multi>libboost_iostreams.a...
...failed updating 2 targets...
...skipped 6 targets...

What can I do to fix this?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: mickey_miner on May 19, 2014, 08:26:04 PM
Trying to install this from source on Ubuntu 14.04. When I ran make, it gave the error that Boost 1.54 is unsupported. I searched for earlier versions of Boost but couldn't find any.

Anyone know how to fix this?
get boost1.55

or use the starter pack located on monero.cc

Thanks. At first I tried the starter pack and ran the script, but had many errors.  So, I downloaded Boost 1.55 directly from Boost, and after I ran sudo ./b2 this was the ouput:

Code:
gcc.compile.c++ bin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/threading-multi/bzip2.o
libs/iostreams/src/bzip2.cpp:20:56: fatal error: bzlib.h: No such file or directory
 #include "bzlib.h"  // Julian Seward's "bzip.h" header.
                                                        ^
compilation terminated.

    "g++"  -ftemplate-depth-128 -O3 -finline-functions -Wno-inline -Wall -pthread -fPIC  -DBOOST_ALL_NO_LIB=1 -DBOOST_IOSTREAMS_DYN_LINK=1 -DBOOST_IOSTREAMS_USE_DEPRECATED -DNDEBUG  -I"." -c -o "bin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/threading-multi/bzip2.o" "libs/iostreams/src/bzip2.cpp"

...failed gcc.compile.c++ bin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/threading-multi/bzip2.o...
...skipped <pbin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/threading-multi>libboost_iostreams.so.1.55.0 for lack of <pbin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/threading-multi>bzip2.o...
...skipped <pstage/lib>libboost_iostreams.so.1.55.0 for lack of <pbin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/threading-multi>libboost_iostreams.so.1.55.0...
...skipped <pstage/lib>libboost_iostreams.so for lack of <pstage/lib>libboost_iostreams.so.1.55.0...
gcc.compile.c++ bin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/link-static/threading-multi/bzip2.o
libs/iostreams/src/bzip2.cpp:20:56: fatal error: bzlib.h: No such file or directory
 #include "bzlib.h"  // Julian Seward's "bzip.h" header.
                                                        ^
compilation terminated.

    "g++"  -ftemplate-depth-128 -O3 -finline-functions -Wno-inline -Wall -pthread  -DBOOST_ALL_NO_LIB=1 -DBOOST_IOSTREAMS_USE_DEPRECATED -DNDEBUG  -I"." -c -o "bin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/link-static/threading-multi/bzip2.o" "libs/iostreams/src/bzip2.cpp"

...failed gcc.compile.c++ bin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/link-static/threading-multi/bzip2.o...
...skipped <pbin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/link-static/threading-multi>libboost_iostreams.a(clean) for lack of <pbin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/link-static/threading-multi>bzip2.o...
...skipped <pbin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/link-static/threading-multi>libboost_iostreams.a for lack of <pbin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/link-static/threading-multi>bzip2.o...
...skipped <pstage/lib>libboost_iostreams.a for lack of <pbin.v2/libs/iostreams/build/gcc-4.8/release/link-static/threading-multi>libboost_iostreams.a...
...failed updating 2 targets...
...skipped 6 targets...

What can I do to fix this?

You get more help on Monero thread    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.0


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on May 21, 2014, 01:52:16 PM
Latest (optimized) binaries are available at http://www.bitmonero.org/ now


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: prophetx on May 22, 2014, 12:17:28 PM
whats the difference between this and monero.cc?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: surfer43 on May 22, 2014, 05:16:02 PM
whats the difference between this and monero.cc?
Bitmonero == Monero

TFT likes Bitmonero name better than Monero name, thus he continues it with another ANN thread, Github repo, and website.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: prophetx on May 22, 2014, 05:55:48 PM
whats the difference between this and monero.cc?
Bitmonero == Monero

TFT likes Bitmonero name better than Monero name, thus he continues it with another ANN thread, Github repo, and website.

brilliant marketing move... who is running this project an engineer? lol


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: studio1one on May 23, 2014, 09:10:21 AM
I think its a great coin with massive potential. It just needs to be more user friendly to get mass adoption


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: darlidada on May 23, 2014, 09:13:10 AM
The real thread is here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.720

This thread is either a creation of stupidity or an attack made on Moreno to divide us and to ensure that it doesnt dominate the privacy market.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on May 23, 2014, 10:01:32 AM
The real thread is here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.720

This thread is either a creation of stupidity or an attack made on Moreno to divide us and to ensure that it doesnt dominate the privacy market.

It's not really either. Without getting into the history of it all, this was the original thread but has been largely abandoned now. Occasionally people (and post bots) stumble across it and bump it, but I doubt it is malicious.





Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: coininaction on May 23, 2014, 11:17:01 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=580155.msg6903435#msg6903435

pls check my logo submit :) hope you like it..


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on May 26, 2014, 06:43:23 PM
A long lusted update: the fastest optimization of hash rate up to date. Available at http://bitmonero.org (http://bitmonero.org)


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: dewdeded on May 28, 2014, 11:37:32 AM
Monero = BitMonero?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: sorryforthat on May 28, 2014, 11:43:41 AM
Monero = BitMonero?

Yeah, the name was changed some time ago.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on May 30, 2014, 11:34:47 AM
Updated binaries (all changes from BCN and other CN-coins included) are available at http://bitmonero.org.



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: giveBTCpls on May 30, 2014, 12:52:37 PM
Can you guys stop fucking with this thread? Just close it, it's so confusing. MRO is the coin, not BMR.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: human on June 05, 2014, 08:40:20 PM
Updated binaries (all changes from BCN and other CN-coins included) are available at http://bitmonero.org.


Thanks, just wanted to ask for it!


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: surfer43 on June 05, 2014, 08:44:31 PM
Updated binaries (all changes from BCN and other CN-coins included) are available at http://bitmonero.org.


Thanks, just wanted to ask for it!
I doubt you will be able to send XMR with those binaries, the source they are based on don't pay a high enough fee.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: otila on June 11, 2014, 09:58:25 PM
press ctrl-d in bitmonerod, get infinite loop and have to kill process without a possibility to save the downloaded blocks.  Worked earlier.

Code:
2014-Jun-12 00:53:41.943099 Failed to read line. Ignoring and continuing to run, exiting daemon may require a SIGTERM kill.



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: surfer43 on June 11, 2014, 10:03:06 PM
press ctrl-d in bitmonerod, get infinite loop and have to kill process without a possibility to save the downloaded blocks.  Worked earlier.

Code:
2014-Jun-12 00:53:41.943099 Failed to read line. Ignoring and continuing to run, exiting daemon may require a SIGTERM kill.
This is a temporary bug caused by a bug fix. Does typing "exit" result in the same error? I get a segmentation fault after several seconds of that problem, but you should be able to force kill it.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: otila on June 11, 2014, 10:20:30 PM
press ctrl-d in bitmonerod, get infinite loop and have to kill process without a possibility to save the downloaded blocks.  Worked earlier.

Code:
2014-Jun-12 00:53:41.943099 Failed to read line. Ignoring and continuing to run, exiting daemon may require a SIGTERM kill.
This is a temporary bug caused by a bug fix. Does typing "exit" result in the same error? I get a segmentation fault after several seconds of that problem, but you should be able to force kill it.

exit works.. which is neat.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on June 18, 2014, 05:38:42 PM
Hi There!

I'm eventually back again. Was working on several outstanding features nobody could overcome in the nearest future.

But now before going on and pushing updates I would like to ask the community for help and support. Not for free for sure. I've developed a very clean strategy for next actions.

I'm a developer, not so social as you can see)
I spend most of the time developing new features and polishing code.

As community can easily see, most of my work was abandonded due to lack of forum activity.
I see I need strong PR manager for Bitmonero project or a team that could take that business. It goes without saying smart people understand that currencty without strong engineering support (including mathematicians, developers) has no future. That's why I'm not so worry about current situation. The Monero team is doing good PR for me as well - when appropriate time comes, people will easily find out the real source and will figure out, what has real investment potential.

But now it is really sad to see where the clone is going. Throwing without a direction.
Even with the name they still not sure what they are developing.
MRO first, then XMR, is next name XXX to look more mature?

The way it was developed today and the past several months is just going nowhere. They still did not get the key idea of Bitmonero project. It requires thinking and understanding where is it going.

I have very clear vision about future development, and would like to make an offer for the community.
I also accept feature requests from users.

This message is an official call for oustanding PR sharks!

Please, PM me by 25.06.2014, answering simple questions:
0. What is the most outstanding result of your PR company?
1. How many people you can manage within a team?
2. What is your interest in supporting Bitmonero ?

Future is right there, next corner.
See ya,
I'm thankful_for_today


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: btc-mike on June 18, 2014, 05:52:16 PM
Bitmonero is different than Monero?

Are you going to make change to blockchain?


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: tacotime on June 18, 2014, 06:01:52 PM
Hi There!

I'm eventually back again. Was working on several outstanding features nobody could overcome in the nearest future.

But now before going on and pushing updates I would like to ask the community for help and support. Not for free for sure. I've developed a very clean strategy for next actions.

I'm a developer, not so social as you can see)
I spend most of the time developing new features and polishing code.

As community can easily see, most of my work was abandonded due to lack of forum activity.
I see I need strong PR manager for Bitmonero project or a team that could take that business. It goes without saying smart people understand that currencty without strong engineering support (including mathematicians, developers) has no future. That's why I'm not so worry about current situation. The Monero team is doing good PR for me as well - when appropriate time comes, people will easily find out the real source and will figure out, what has real investment potential.

But now it is really sad to see where the clone is going. Throwing without a direction.
Even with the name they still not sure what they are developing.
MRO first, then XMR, is next name XXX to look more mature?

The way it was developed today and the past several months is just going nowhere. They still did not get the key idea of Bitmonero project. It requires thinking and understanding where is it going.

I have very clear vision about future development, and would like to make an offer for the community.
I also accept feature requests from users.

This message is an official call for oustanding PR sharks!

Please, PM me by 25.06.2014, answering simple questions:
0. What is the most outstanding result of your PR company?
1. How many people you can manage within a team?
2. What is your interest in supporting Bitmonero ?

Future is right there, next corner.
See ya,
I'm thankful_for_today

I'm not sure I should even say anything at all, since the tone of your message is condescending.

In the past month, we've recruited several new developers to work on features that are generally non-functional on the daemon, fixed (vaguely) the txmempool but you commited that caused random blockreward destruction for miners, and hired a couple of academic mathematicians/cryptographers to review the implementation code and CryptoNote whitepaper. We got the pool implementation working and are close to GUI beta (amongst several other working betas based on .net for Windows). We fixed a number of other issues with the software and have a massive TODO list of things that need to be resolved.

We extended ourselves to work with you and offered push/pull to the repo so you could push any changes you wanted to. I'm not sure what exactly else you needed from us. It appears that you wanted to remove the community here from any design and development aspects of the coin, which is counter to everything cryptocurrency has stood for up to this point.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: dewdeded on June 18, 2014, 06:07:28 PM
thankful_for_today: Please work with the Monero team. They are good developers and friendly people. This is the truth, from the button of my heart.

Work together. Please, please don't harm the Monero brand and project with operating a fork/variant with nearly same name.


Nobody is angry at you for your disappearance. Everybody is ready to work with you and use/hear your best ideas. Join the Monero team, that was built. At least talk to them.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: darlidada on June 18, 2014, 06:20:12 PM
thankful_for_today: Please work with the Monero team. They are good developers and friendly people. This is the truth, from the button of my heart.

Work together. Please, please don't harm the Monero brand and project with operating a fork/variant with nearly same name.


Nobody is angry at you for your disappearance. Everybody is ready to work with you and use/hear your best ideas. Join the Monero team, that was built. At least talk to them.

Maybe he doesnt want to work with anyone ? Maybe his goal is to hurt any cryptonote coin but BCN ? Doesn't anyone find it strange that the same day TFT comes back, there is also an announcement on bytecoin.org ? Doesn't anyone find it strange that TFT is looking for a PR firm for its project and that the QCN dev is also looking for a PR firm ? It should be strange enough when you know that the QCN dev tried to relaunch Monero (you can find the thread in google cache).

My theory is that he's either severely bipolar or that he's a puppet for BCN and that his goal is to wreck any coin the community make out of the cryptonote sourcecode - because so far he hasnt really demonstrated that he wanted to work for a community project.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: sorryforthat on June 18, 2014, 07:29:37 PM
Maybe he doesnt want to work with anyone ? Maybe his goal is to hurt any cryptonote coin but BCN ? Doesn't anyone find it strange that the same day TFT comes back, there is also an announcement on bytecoin.org ? Doesn't anyone find it strange that TFT is looking for a PR firm for its project and that the QCN dev is also looking for a PR firm ? It should be strange enough when you know that the QCN dev tried to relaunch Monero (you can find the thread in google cache).

My theory is that he's either severely bipolar or that he's a puppet for BCN and that his goal is to wreck any coin the community make out of the cryptonote sourcecode - because so far he hasnt really demonstrated that he wanted to work for a community project.

Think you might be getting thinking too deep with this. TFT started this project and it was essentially rushed, hasnt really been all that active and  very little community involvement. I think the recent price jumps and continued growth of Monero will cause one to be more proactive and seem entitled.

DStrange is the one in contact with BCN devs and is no way connected really to any of this, as a matter of fact, all of BCN was discovered in a Bytecoin thread (SHA-256 Type - BTE) back in March when those guys realised the site posted was not the site of their coin, but a totally new coin. After finding out that it was not a re-brand and a rip-off of BTE, DStrange started a new thread which is the current BCN thread we see today. Knowing this as the begining of the introduction to cryptonote to this thread may dispell alot of what you said.

QCN dev is a game developer I believe. He tried to Re-Launch the coin yes, but he has stated that he was only trolling, which is very easy to believe. He is not as skilled as the Monero team or TFT, but seems to be a very good dev who has an understanding and can make changes as needed. Alot of updates are added after the Monero team releases them for their coin, so it may just be piggy backing off the success and innovation and also the PRfirm thing. (people might not like hearing that.)

In the end these guys are looking to go after what alot have achieved by Monero, which has had alot of outside help from actual companies and experts.



Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: aminorex on June 18, 2014, 07:57:59 PM
TFT played a historically important role in the genesis of Monero, and thus he has influence and visibility disproportionate to his contribution to the community.  Therefore, it is strongly in the interests of the remainder of the community that his interests become aligned with ours in a mutually beneficial manner.  Consequently, it is highly probable that, by means of improved, respectful, and not paranoid communication, a mutually beneficial outcome can be obtained.  While it is always challenging to communicate without full engagement from both sides, there is a lot of motivation to meet that challenge in this case.

Damaging outcomes are extremely unlikely, because they would be harmful to TFT no less than to the Monero community at large.  Incompetence or defection are always possible, but given the demonstrated capabilities of the parties involved, one can infer that they are unlikely in this case.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: eizh on June 18, 2014, 09:33:41 PM
Consequently, it is highly probable that, by means of improved, respectful, and not paranoid communication, a mutually beneficial outcome can be obtained.  While it is always challenging to communicate without full engagement from both sides, there is a lot of motivation to meet that challenge in this case.

Actually, several attempts were made behind the scenes and TFT's continued demand was full admin rights over the Monero repo. Now, what could that be useful for when tacotime already offered push/pull rights? It's certainly not about contributing code - push/pull offers the right to do that without interference or permission.

This is basically a repeating pattern of shutting out everyone else, which is ironically what caused him to lose the project in the first place. The tone of that post makes his level of maturity obvious for everyone to see.

I might also point out that his contribution to date consists of 10 or so lines of code changed in a header file (to clone BCN). Then a bug 'fix' that actually allowed the chain to be attacked later (now fixed). This was followed by his disappearance. Disproportionate visibility indeed.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: GreekBitcoin on June 18, 2014, 11:59:11 PM
As you said you you are not so social and a coin cannot develop without a community.  It is the community that gathered  that constantly make the code better but also attract more people to make it even better.

That being said if you truly believe you are a good developer stop trying to be the boss and be a good developer. This way the coin can be even better and you can gain the respect of the people if you indeed worth it and also persuade people about things you believe should happen in the coin.

By taking decisions only by yourself and never listen to what others say you cant create a successful coin. I never saw you arguing about any proposals and you are never online.

I hope you understand what i mean. Only cooperation can make a great future.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: uvt9 on June 19, 2014, 08:59:54 AM
Then a bug 'fix' that actually allowed the chain to be attacked later (now fixed). This was followed by his disappearance.

Could you be more detailed about this ? Is it a backdoor ? that sounds scary.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: Xdragon on June 19, 2014, 09:23:48 AM
Bitmonero is different than Monero?

Are you going to make change to blockchain?
Once again I am confused.  First I mined bitmonero  which is now monero.  Now it looks like there are gonna be two different coins? Relaunch or what? I think it is better to work together with monero team.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: kalisto on June 19, 2014, 09:47:22 AM
TFT i hope you remember you "stepped out" of the coin, handover git access, agreed with the name change and skipped the merged mining because of the rejection by the community. Better work with the Monero team if you want to be involved because they are skilled and have proper community support and enough sideprojects. Someone without social skills could have never done this and Bitmonero would be dead by now.

On the other hand; it looks like his account got hacked and trolled for spreading fud.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: surfer43 on June 19, 2014, 04:15:35 PM
Bitmonero is different than Monero?

Are you going to make change to blockchain?
Once again I am confused.  First I mined bitmonero  which is now monero.  Now it looks like there are gonna be two different coins? Relaunch or what? I think it is better to work together with monero team.
No. Their blockchains are the same and will always be the same.


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: thankful_for_today on June 26, 2014, 12:06:40 PM
Thank you for all your responces and activity.
I got even more that I was looking for.

I'll post you soon the results and we decide together where to move the Bitmonero.





Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: coomme on March 08, 2015, 04:10:57 AM
hi, now I only have the .keys
when I upgrade to win.x64.v0-8-8-6
its told me :  can not find wallet.bin files

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You had been using a deprecated version of the wallet. Your wallet file format i
s being upgraded now.

Error: failed to load wallet: file not found "mro11"


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what can I do to rebuild wallet.bin ??


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: smooth on March 08, 2015, 04:25:26 AM
hi, now I only have the .keys
when I upgrade to win.x64.v0-8-8-6
its told me :  can not find wallet.bin files

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You had been using a deprecated version of the wallet. Your wallet file format i
s being upgraded now.

Error: failed to load wallet: file not found "mro11"


-----------

what can I do to rebuild wallet.bin ??

necro thread.  Try here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.0


Title: Re: [ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED
Post by: trgnn on June 26, 2018, 12:17:50 PM
Resurection !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D