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Title: [CLOSED] ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: VEscudero on June 22, 2012, 08:51:48 PM -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256 Hello investors, I provide risk-free deposits guaranteed to payout at 1.5% weekly interest rate, no compounding. The deposits will be used for lending out to other borrowers, investing in short term opportunities and investing in other bitcoin projects. All my depositor's funds are 100% guaranteed and will not lose any funds due to any defaults. Why do I offer such a high interest for my 100% guaranteed deposit? I am interested in slowly building my reputation here as a bitcoin trader. My real name is Victor Escudero, I am a CAcert assurer and I have nothing to hide. Reputation and trust are of utmost importance in my day-to-day job as well as in my personal life. If you have any doubt about deposit your money with me, I encourage you to check my GnuPG signatures (http://bit.ly/MKfopK), see my #bitcoin-otc ratings (http://bit.ly/btc-otc), check my professional profile at LinkedIn (http://linkd.in/LyV15x), visit my personal website (http://www.vescudero.net/search/label/bitcoin), Twitter (http://bit.ly/LWqRHx) account, Facebook (http://on.fb.me/NPv4Zk) account, bitcoinary (http://bit.ly/PNkyXg) profile or simply read my previous posts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=58268;sa=showPosts) in the bitcointalk.org forum. The minimum term will be just one week, although you might choose to keep your deposit for much longer. The start of the weekly term will always start on Sundays at 17:00 UTC. Payment of earned interests will take place on Sundays as well although the exact time will likely vary from one week to another. In case you wanted to withdraw your funds later, please PM me at least 24 hours before the start of the next weekly term and I will pay you back not only the earned interests but also the principal from your deposit. The current 1.5% per week will be maintained until further notice. Thank you, Victor Escudero. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlAbEPsACgkQ8AwyXklxLE9ovgD/dbQeEc0Ies1rBmyY4Q/CIX+I P2kvNRmSqZAJc4oGGuEA/RVSnkl7FcszCck2AbDavyILNConKvol6jXq/4rhzTAw =Jl+f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Last updated: 2012-09-30 All the deposits have been returned back and interests paid out. Thank you to all of you that as investor has trusted me for letting me take care of your bitcoins. I have managed more than 3700 BTC (about 36,000 EUR or 47,000 USD aprox.) during all this time. Although this has been a challenging and a high demanding task, definitely it has been a very rewarding operation. Such a successful trading operation would had never been possible without all of you. Thanks. These are all the deposits I have managed during all this time: Code: ID: Depositor: Deposit Amount: Weekly Interest Rate: First Deposit made: Withdrawal date: Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: cytokine on June 22, 2012, 09:22:43 PM watching
Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: TehZomB on June 22, 2012, 09:39:25 PM Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: nimda on June 22, 2012, 10:23:53 PM Very interested
Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: Garr255 on June 22, 2012, 11:38:00 PM Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: ciuciu on June 22, 2012, 11:53:55 PM For potential depositors, Victor has more than 300BTC with me in GLBSE shares.
Thank you. Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: Otoh on June 22, 2012, 11:58:36 PM Investing
Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: VEscudero on June 23, 2012, 12:36:19 AM For potential depositors, Victor has more than 300BTC with me in GLBSE shares. Thank you. Thank you ciuciu. Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: katie.mckinley on June 23, 2012, 01:03:56 AM I'll invest, what do I need to do and is 10 BTC good for a minimum deposit
Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: pyramining on June 23, 2012, 01:45:24 AM Vescudero invested also into Pyramining, and as far as I know, he is serious and reliable.
Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: John (John K.) on June 23, 2012, 03:55:03 AM Please sign your initial offering with your GPG key too. ;)
Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: nckrazze on June 23, 2012, 04:08:56 AM For potential depositors, Victor has more than 300BTC with me in GLBSE shares. Thank you. 400+ with me as well! Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: Gladamas on June 23, 2012, 05:58:03 AM First question would be do you lend to pirate? Second what are you using to back your guarantee? ^^ I have these questions plus, 3. What is the minimum deposit? 4. What is the minimum term? I am interested, thanks! Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: VEscudero on June 23, 2012, 10:53:56 AM 3. What is the minimum deposit? 4. What is the minimum term? 3. Minimum deposit will be 10 btc. 4. Minimum term will be just one only week. Nevertheless I hope the average deposit to be larger and longer. Please sign your initial offering with your GPG key too. ;) I have just signed my offering with my personal GPG key, the same one you will find in #bitcoin-otc (http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=vescudero). Thank you. Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: VEscudero on June 23, 2012, 04:50:57 PM Hi very interested but I have a few questions, First question would be do you lend to pirate? Second what are you using to back your guarantee? Thank you:) Hello Goat, I would back up this deposit with my own money. Yes, I do have some funds in PPT bonds but this should not be a problem for any of my depositors, because my exposition to pirate is so low that even if he defaults I will be able to pay you back all your coins kindly with my own money. As a large investor and long term bitcoin supporter I have my own reserves of bitcoins. Not only that, I have also made some investments in several bitcoin projects and GLBSE securities. You might want to check them with Nefario, DeadTerra, hashking, zefir, or Philj amongst other people in this community. I have made even small investments in your TYGRR.BOND-A and TYGRR.BOND-B bonds which right now I own in excess of 1200 and 3500 respectively. If you wish and the rest of my customers agree, I could even transfer these bonds to you as a guarantee to the deposits. Folks, do you want me to put some of my assets at GLBSE in escrow with Goat to back your deposits? Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: joyyen on June 23, 2012, 04:52:13 PM possible to list down and update how many people have deposit with you
and remaining bitcoin needed ! thank you ! Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: Mushoz on June 23, 2012, 05:23:32 PM Hey,
I would like to deposit 10 BTC with 2% interest paid out weekly to: 1Ft79A84BQSsfb6MkfHUzP5cCc2aKXKSnj Could you please send me a deposit address? Thanks! Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: Otoh on June 23, 2012, 06:46:51 PM Funds are on their way (bitcoin transaction: 3ceeb830190467592c9666a52727681118da7fe88d655754b5741fd336974606)
BTC300 sent as agreed by PM ~ Suerte! Otoh :) Edit: re transferring GBLSE bonds to goat as a form of guarantee for me this is not needed or necessary as I have full faith in your integrity here from past communications & observations, if you were to do this however due to others wishing for a beginning demonstration backing your offering say, then I would recommend signing them over in escrow to a group of reputable guys like the PPT gang or someone like Nefario so that there isn't a single point of failure, I visit Thailand & whilst native goats are smart & nimble it seems like playing involuntary Russian roulette every time I try & cross a street or soi not to mention the million other ways to end up game over there abouts. Also for those like me who invest as well in the goat pass throughs (BTC400 with TYGRR.B-P) it doesn't increase diversification to use him for this. Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: VEscudero on June 23, 2012, 08:10:44 PM Hey, I would like to deposit 10 BTC with 2% interest paid out weekly to: 1Ft79A84BQSsfb6MkfHUzP5cCc2aKXKSnj Could you please send me a deposit address? Thanks! PM sent with private deposit address. Hereby I confirmed the reception of your 10 bitcoins. Funds are on their way (bitcoin transaction: 3ceeb830190467592c9666a52727681118da7fe88d655754b5741fd336974606) BTC300 sent as agreed by PM ~ Suerte! Otoh :) Thank you Otoh, I confirm the reception of your funds. Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: matthewh3 on June 23, 2012, 08:40:26 PM Maybe if you accepted deposits down to 1btc you'd get more deposits as larger deposits are all with the Pirate and smaller deposits down to 10btc with the Hashking who has a better(well longer) reputation then you even if currently a lower interest rate. Also if you had a website people could just visit to deposit you'd also get more funds. I'm definitely for more bitcoin investment banks. Also as you say you guarantee deposits your self I take it you aren't exposed top the Pirate and this is not just another PPT.
Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: PatrickHarnett on June 23, 2012, 09:41:28 PM Most people have a minimum because there is transaction cost.
Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: finkleshnorts on June 23, 2012, 11:15:52 PM Hi Victor,
Thank you for the pm. I do plan to invest in the weeks to come. I, for one, would prefer some sort of public escrow, Best Regards, "Bob" Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: VEscudero on June 23, 2012, 11:36:10 PM The first weekly term will start in less than 16 hours.
I will accept incoming deposits for the next week no later than 17:00 UTC (http://bit.ly/LIIclk) (i.e 6 PM BST, 7 PM CET, 1 PM PST or 10 AM PDT). I have just updated the OP with the list of current deposits and the remaining availability. If you are interested, please hurry up as I will not accept deposits for this weeks beyond that limit. Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: Philj on June 24, 2012, 12:42:24 AM This guy is a great investor and has put some cash into my mining bond. I know I'll be using his banking services with my personal funds in the future. Diversification is a good thing.
Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: der_meister on June 24, 2012, 08:57:01 AM I have brand new BTC40 deposit 8) Thank you!
Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: Mushoz on June 24, 2012, 11:17:14 AM Hey, I would like to deposit 10 BTC with 2% interest paid out weekly to: 1Ft79A84BQSsfb6MkfHUzP5cCc2aKXKSnj Could you please send me a deposit address? Thanks! PM sent with private deposit address. Hereby I confirmed the reception of your 10 bitcoins. Funds are on their way (bitcoin transaction: 3ceeb830190467592c9666a52727681118da7fe88d655754b5741fd336974606) BTC300 sent as agreed by PM ~ Suerte! Otoh :) Thank you Otoh, I confirm the reception of your funds. Witnessed. Thanks :)! Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: VEscudero on June 24, 2012, 01:57:19 PM I have just updated the list of current deposits and the remain capability in the first post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89122.msg982815#msg982815") of this thread.
Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: crosby on June 24, 2012, 03:05:12 PM As you perhaps may have missed my PM,
Hello Victor, Cordially re-read "my posts", so you may notice I have been borrowing a lot of BTC to grow my mining operations. I would interested as a borrower, not a lender. Thank you Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: VEscudero on June 24, 2012, 03:26:12 PM As you perhaps may have missed my PM, Hello Victor, Cordially re-read "my posts", so you may notice I have been borrowing a lot of BTC to grow my mining operations. I would interested as a borrower, not a lender. Thank you Sorry crosby, I mistakenly thought you were looking for loans instead of borrow bitcoins. Thank you for your feedback. By the way, for the rest of you guys, this is the last call to make deposits for the next week for a 2% weekly interest. I will stop accepting new deposits in less than 1.5 hours. Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: crosby on June 24, 2012, 03:37:08 PM As you perhaps may have missed my PM, Hello Victor, Cordially re-read "my posts", so you may notice I have been borrowing a lot of BTC to grow my mining operations. I would interested as a borrower, not a lender. Thank you Sorry crosby, I mistakenly thought you were looking for loans instead of borrow bitcoins. Thank you for your feedback. By the way, for the rest of you guys, this is the last call to make deposits for the next week for a 2% weekly interest. I will stop accepting new deposits in less than 1.5 hours. so e win wookin pa nub Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: VEscudero on June 24, 2012, 05:44:47 PM Hello folks,
I want to thank all the investors in my deposit and all the people that has show interest in my operation. I have just stopped accepting new deposits for next week (weekly term). Right now I can tell you that this operation has been a total SUCCESS because of you. You have reached my limited deposit capacity originally established at 1000 BTCs. I'm sorry to say that not all investors were able to take advantage of my free-risk deposit. For the people that hurry up and got lucky to be in, as you know first payments will be sent the next Sunday, July 1st. Thank you all for your interest, Victor Escudero. Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: PatrickHarnett on June 24, 2012, 08:13:35 PM As a security observation, your deposit list includes two addresses that are identifiable. I assume that those two depositors asked for anonymity, I suggest an alternative is to use the end of the address rather than the start. I would propose this as a default standard - I'm using the last 16 characters of the address and do not publish any details for those that make that request.
Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: VEscudero on June 24, 2012, 09:15:50 PM As a security observation, your deposit list includes two addresses that are identifiable. I assume that those two depositors asked for anonymity, I suggest an alternative is to use the end of the address rather than the start. I would propose this as a default standard - I'm using the last 16 characters of the address and do not publish any details for those that make that request. Thank you Patrick, nice observation. In fact one of the anonymous depositors prefer to see the firstbits (http://firstbits.com) of his/her address instead of a nickname of the form AnonXY where X and Y are digits. She/He was fully aware that the firstbits of the address would represent a unique global mapping between the address and its shortened version. In my opinion using the last characters of the address is not much better than using the first ones, as both strings will be searchable in the blockchain once they are used. We can even use another hash (SHA-256 maybe?) of the withdrawal address and then using a reduced version of only some characters. The bottom line is that anonymous brand new generated addresses should not be tainted with any other identifiable addresses apart from other considerations such as using i2p or Tor. I will preserve the anonymity of any depositor that asks for it and I will use the 'nickname' of their preference. Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: PatrickHarnett on June 24, 2012, 09:25:28 PM Yes, you are quite right about the sting being searchable. Like most security features, it is breakable. Still, knowing an address has XXX coins associated with it does not have much information content. Depends on how keen someone is to know something.
Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: Vorksholk on June 25, 2012, 07:00:58 PM Just a quick question about this kind of investment.
(I don't have 1000 BTC or anywhere near that, this is purely hypothetical): If someone with 1000 BTC were to invest in this 2% weekly deposit... Within one year, they would have ~2800BTC Within two years, they would have ~7841BTC Within three years, they would have ~21959BTC Within five years, that number would now be ~172204BTC At ten years, the balance would be a whopping almost 30,000,000BTC. (more than will exist at that time) Am I missing something, or could a deposit like this turn very big relatively quickly? Just for the lulz: If you invested a mere 10BTC: 1 yr=28BTC 5 yr=1722BTC 10 yr=296544BTC (around 1/3 of the current Bitcoins in the market today). Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: PatrickHarnett on June 25, 2012, 07:13:42 PM Just a quick question about this kind of investment. (I don't have 1000 BTC or anywhere near that, this is purely hypothetical): If someone with 1000 BTC were to invest in this 2% weekly deposit... Within one year, they would have ~2800BTC Within two years, they would have ~7841BTC Within three years, they would have ~21959BTC Within five years, that number would now be ~172204BTC At ten years, the balance would be a whopping almost 30,000,000BTC. (more than will exist at that time) Am I missing something, or could a deposit like this turn very big relatively quickly? Just for the lulz: If you invested a mere 10BTC: 1 yr=28BTC 5 yr=1722BTC 10 yr=296544BTC (around 1/3 of the current Bitcoins in the market today). The same analysis was done with the growth in registered Elvis impersonators some time ago. Based on some data in the 70's it showed that by 1980, the entire population of the world would be Elvis. What people fail to get is that things change. No one is offering compound weekly at a fixed rate for 500 weeks. Also, in many systems, you run into saturation issues. As an example, I reviewed a proposal some years ago for a marketing campaign in Melbourne. The provider had the capacity to call everyone within a year. So why would we keep them hammering away at people that had already said "no" - simple, you wouldn't. Bit of a difference targeting 4M people vs 400. The same here with BTC. Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: Vorksholk on June 25, 2012, 07:15:54 PM Thanks for the info Patrick :)
The think I was kinda getting at was what the protocol would be or what would happen when an account gets too large to keep. Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: VEscudero on June 25, 2012, 08:03:08 PM You should also take into account that the interest rate I am offering is not compounding.
I will do the math for you: - 1 Year Compounding interest => 1000*(1 + 0.02)^52=2800 btcs - 1 Year Non-Compounding => 1000*(1+0.02*52) = 2040 btcs In any case I am not willing to offer this 2% interest rate for such a long time for a risk-free deposit like this one. I think it is much more realistic to expect a high interest like this one being offered just for a few weeks/months but not years, that's for sure. Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: Vorksholk on June 25, 2012, 08:13:45 PM Ahh, thank you for your information :)
Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: exahash on June 29, 2012, 10:07:53 PM Vescudero, will your availability open up weekly, or on a schedule of some sort?
Title: Re: VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly Post by: VEscudero on June 30, 2012, 02:07:46 AM Hello,
As you may know, the initial 1,000 BTC limit of my deposit was quickly reached even even before starting the operation. I did not planned to increase the capacity of this risk-free deposit for a while. Nevertheless, given the great amount of investors that could not get in during the launch of this deposit, I have decided to increase the limit just a little bit for new small investors. In order to let small investors participate in my deposit I have decided to remove the minimum limit of 10 btc and I will start accepting small deposits ranging from just 1 btc to a maximum of 50 btc for those of you that could not get in earlier but also that wanted to take advantage of the current 2% weekly interest rate of this risk-free deposit. I am going to offer this increased capacity for current investors as well, so those which right now have deposits under 50 btc will be able to deposit some additional coins until reaching this upper limit of 50 bitcoins. Depositors with larger amounts will be able to maintain or withdraw their current deposits at will. The deadline for making new deposits will always be on Sundays at 17:00 UTC (i.e 6 PM BST, 7 PM CET, 1 PM PST or 10 AM PDT). As a rule of thumb, depositors should PM me 24 hours before that deadline only in case they wish to withdraw their funds from their deposit so I can pay out not only their weekly interests but also their principal on time. By default, I will assume that everybody is willing to maintain their deposits with me, so please PM if it is not the case. As this weekend is the first one in which depositors are going to receive their earned interests, I will exceptionally accept withdrawal orders just a few hours before the deadline, but please take this into account for the coming weeks. You can notify me of your choice to withdraw your funds any time during the week, and even at the very moment of funding your deposit. Interest will always be paid also on Sundays although the exact time will likely vary from one week to another. In fact this week, I will be watching the EURO Cup championship soccer final between Italy and my beloved Spanish Armada, so I will do my best paying out interests/withdrawals a little bit earlier this week. Edit: Spain finally won the EURO Cup beating Italy 4-0. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly [Now small deposits welcomed] ★ Post by: VEscudero on June 30, 2012, 11:22:28 PM I confirm the reception of funds from 1PkFr9gUxB, nimda, 1GqbET4cd6, Btc4Domains and 1QDnipe8Fr.
I am updating the first post of this thread right now, so expect to see your deposits listed there in a few minutes. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly [availability until 17:00 UTC] ★ Post by: VEscudero on July 01, 2012, 12:27:39 PM As announced payments will be paid a little bit earlier today, expect them about 15:00 UTC.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly [availability until 17:00 UTC] ★ Post by: VEscudero on July 01, 2012, 03:01:05 PM Hi folks,
payments has been sent. Please check your wallets and confirm reception. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly [availability until 17:00 UTC] ★ Post by: Otoh on July 01, 2012, 03:04:13 PM Muchas gracias, my wallet made a happy bleep sound an hour ago :)
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly [availability until 17:00 UTC] ★ Post by: PsychoticBoy on July 01, 2012, 03:46:54 PM Made a deposit of 5 BTC :)
Greetz Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly [availability until 17:00 UTC] ★ Post by: VEscudero on July 01, 2012, 04:17:20 PM Made a deposit of 5 BTC :) Greetz Thanks PsychoticBoy, I confirm the reception of your coins. I have just updated the list of deposits with yours. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ Post by: gsan on July 01, 2012, 11:09:17 PM Interest payment received, many thanks.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ Post by: VEscudero on July 01, 2012, 11:22:17 PM I've got 5 btc to lend out for one week. Interested? Oh, nvm, I think I missed it by a few hours. Yes, I'm afraid you missed it, nevertheless you will be able to make a deposit for the week starting at July 8th. Although you can make the deposit right now, you won't earn any interest before that date, so I think you might better wait a few days and make your deposit later before the deadline (i.e Sunday, 5pm UTC). Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ Post by: pekv2 on July 01, 2012, 11:26:15 PM I've got 5 btc to lend out for one week. Interested? Oh, nvm, I think I missed it by a few hours. Yes, I'm afraid you missed it, nevertheless you will be able to make a deposit for the week starting at July 8th. Although you can make the deposit right now, you won't earn any interest before that date, so I think you might better wait a few days and make your deposit later before the deadline (i.e Sunday, 5pm UTC). I've got payments to make so I would not be able to do next week. It's all good. That should've caught my eye before posting :) but caught my eye afterwards. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ Post by: Maidak on July 06, 2012, 10:30:29 PM deposited 5 btc looking forward to this thanks. :)
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ Post by: PsychoticBoy on July 06, 2012, 10:49:07 PM Deposited another 20 BTC to my savings account.
Greetz Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ Post by: VEscudero on July 06, 2012, 11:17:09 PM Thank you Maidak and PsychoticBoy.
I have just updated the OP with the lists of your deposits. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [open for deposits <=50BTC] Post by: VEscudero on July 07, 2012, 06:28:44 PM Tomorrow I will pay the interests generated during this week.
Right now, the deposit is open for new investors that want to earn 2% interests next week. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [open for deposits <=50BTC] Post by: finkleshnorts on July 07, 2012, 07:11:20 PM I would like to deposit 15 BTC.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [open for deposits <=50BTC] Post by: VEscudero on July 07, 2012, 07:33:14 PM I would like to deposit 15 BTC. I have just PM'ed to send unique address for deposit and ask about the address for sending interests/withdrawals. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [open for deposits <=50BTC] Post by: IveBeenBit on July 07, 2012, 09:34:12 PM Victor, I see from NCKrazze's thread that you have 400BTC on deposit with him. That is about 1/4 of the amount you've borrowed so far. If he runs off with the deposits, are you capable of personally covering that and paying back your depositors? I guess I'm asking if "Guaranteed" really means "guaranteed."
Posts like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=79020.msg893684#msg893684 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=79020.msg893684#msg893684) make me wary of spotting him too much money. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [open for deposits <=50BTC] Post by: VEscudero on July 07, 2012, 10:01:21 PM Victor, I see from NCKrazze's thread that you have 400BTC on deposit with him. That is about 1/4 of the amount you've borrowed so far. If he runs off with the deposits, are you capable of personally covering that and paying back your depositors? I guess I'm asking if "Guaranteed" really means "guaranteed." Posts like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=79020.msg893684#msg893684 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=79020.msg893684#msg893684) make me wary of spotting him too much money. Yes, even if nckrazze runs off with the deposits I have my own reserves of bitcoins in cold-storage to cover that and paying back my depositors. By the way nckrazze is not the only guy I have deposits with, for example I also have long term deposits with hashking's at 1.75% weekly and other deposits and loans with other respected guys. Those only represents a fraction of my own reserves in bitcoins. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [open for deposits <=50BTC] Post by: Otoh on July 07, 2012, 10:07:20 PM I don't need it for myself but if you wished to reassure lenders about your reserves then you could always post that you have x amount of coins in cold storage at y address, then prove ownership of them by stating an exact token amount that you will send from it within 24 hrs or something ( to the address in my sig :P ;) )
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ Post by: VEscudero on July 08, 2012, 11:16:35 AM I will manage trust issues a little bit different here, as there will always be investors afraid of losing their coins because of unscrupulous people willing to run off with their money.
I personally give higher credit to a person who is not afraid of revealing his/her real identity in the real world TM. In order to let my investors know that I am a trustworthy person in which they can trust, I am going to provide the kind of details some of you tend to ask me before investing in my deposit. These details are linked to my real identity and you can think of them as a deterrent for me not running off with your deposits as I am not going to risk my personal credibility in my day-today job or risk my my own physical body. Please, make your own judgement based on what I publicly disclose to you:
These are some of the things I also assess before borrowing or lending money to other bitcoin users, although different people have different approaches and your mileage may vary. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [open for deposits <=50BTC] Post by: ShadowAlexey on July 08, 2012, 01:58:28 PM But let me remind you that if you even know persons identity it will be very difficult to do something by law with him(in case of btc loans), only with your own hands(which would be easily proved and so on...).
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [open for deposits <=50BTC] Post by: mollison on July 08, 2012, 02:11:57 PM But let me remind you that if you even know persons identity it will be very difficult to do something by law with him(in case of btc loans), only with your own hands(which would be easily proved and so on...). True, but I really appreciate the openness, and it was enough to convince me to deposit some BTC (albeit an amount I can easily afford to lose, of course). Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [open for deposits <=50BTC] Post by: Otoh on July 08, 2012, 03:06:40 PM But let me remind you that if you even know persons identity it will be very difficult to do something by law with him(in case of btc loans), only with your own hands(which would be easily proved and so on...). True, but I really appreciate the openness, and it was enough to convince me to deposit some BTC (albeit an amount I can easily afford to lose, of course). I too appreciate the openness & while I would never resort to any unlawful vengeance in the case of a theft the fact that someone knew my RL identity & had a big grudge against me, lived in the same country as me & most likely visits the capital from time to time would make me most nervous of what could happen were I to provoke them especially if I didn't have a clue to their RL ID, location or personality type. As it is I have full trust in Vescudero & his offering, his openness is just part of that. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [open for deposits <=50BTC] Post by: Otoh on July 08, 2012, 03:09:38 PM Wallet just pinged! Many thanks V :)
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [open for deposits <=50BTC] Post by: VEscudero on July 08, 2012, 04:37:21 PM Ladies and Gentlemen, weekly interests have already been paid, check your wallets and enjoy!
In just half an hour I will not accept new deposits for earning interests next week, so if you are a new investor, please hurry up if you are thinking about investing some coins. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ Post by: Onichan on July 13, 2012, 02:06:19 AM Are you taking new deposits? If so what's the max?
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ Post by: Gladamas on July 13, 2012, 02:13:33 AM Are you taking new deposits? If so what's the max? I would like to deposit 25 BTC with you if possible. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ Post by: VEscudero on July 13, 2012, 05:57:47 AM Are you taking new deposits? If so what's the max? Yes, I am still accepting small deposits from just 1 btc to a maximum amount of 50 btc. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ Post by: VEscudero on July 13, 2012, 06:01:12 AM Are you taking new deposits? If so what's the max? I would like to deposit 25 BTC with you if possible. PM sent with unique deposit address and requested another address for paying out interests and withdrawals. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [open for deposits <=50BTC] Post by: OneEyed on July 13, 2012, 08:22:49 AM Hi Victor.
I'm interested in depositing 50 BTC, with payout address 1JQdBWt7nYtNodtLWEh2efeCfj1tcm3tRq. Please provide me with a deposit address. Thanks! Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [open for deposits <=50BTC] Post by: Tomatocage on July 13, 2012, 05:58:19 PM Hmm...
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [open for deposits <=50BTC] Post by: VEscudero on July 13, 2012, 06:05:37 PM Hi Victor. I'm interested in depositing 50 BTC, with payout address 1JQdBWt7nYtNodtLWEh2efeCfj1tcm3tRq. Please provide me with a deposit address. Thanks! PM sent with deposit address. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [open for deposits <=50BTC] Post by: OneEyed on July 13, 2012, 06:54:14 PM Hi Victor. I'm interested in depositing 50 BTC, with payout address 1JQdBWt7nYtNodtLWEh2efeCfj1tcm3tRq. Please provide me with a deposit address. Thanks! PM sent with deposit address. Deposit sent, thank you. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [open for deposits <=50BTC] Post by: Grim Death on July 13, 2012, 07:21:26 PM Payment of BTC7 sent.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [open for deposits <=50BTC] Post by: VEscudero on July 13, 2012, 08:06:23 PM Payment of BTC7 sent. Received. I have just updated the OP with new deposits. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [open for deposits <=50BTC] Post by: VEscudero on July 14, 2012, 10:15:54 AM It seems we are gonna beat all previous records: almost 2000 btc in the deposit, more than 40 depositors and more than a dozen of those depositors are brand new investors in my deposit and I am still counting ...
I will send 1 btc for free for the next investor that breaks the 2000 btc barrier. Right now the capacity of the deposit is 1996.5 BTC so just 3.5 btc will do the trick. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [open for deposits <=50BTC] Post by: Otoh on July 14, 2012, 10:25:20 AM It seems we are gonna beat all previous records: almost 2000 btc in the deposit, more than 40 depositors and more than a dozen of those depositors are brand new investors in my deposit and I am still counting ... I will send 1 btc for free for the next investor that breaks the 2000 btc barrier. Right now the capacity of the deposit is 1996.5 BTC so just 3.5 btc will do the trick. https://blockchain.info/tx-index/12157143/79fdb617e334df0ad046cf79500da9c37802dd2928155c1aaf3111424c9a0611 :P Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [open for deposits <=50BTC] Post by: OneEyed on July 14, 2012, 10:48:09 AM https://blockchain.info/tx-index/12157143/79fdb617e334df0ad046cf79500da9c37802dd2928155c1aaf3111424c9a0611 :P Nice move :) (I couldn't play myself, since I'm at the 50BTC max) Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [open for deposits <=50BTC] Post by: Otoh on July 14, 2012, 11:06:23 AM https://blockchain.info/tx-index/12157143/79fdb617e334df0ad046cf79500da9c37802dd2928155c1aaf3111424c9a0611 :P Nice move :) (I couldn't play myself, since I'm at the 50BTC max) Oooo, I didn't think of that, I'm over by lots so maybe my entry doesn't count - on the other hand someone asked me for a testimonial on Vescu by PM yesterday & I highly recommended him so maybe good karma. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [open for deposits <=50BTC] Post by: VEscudero on July 14, 2012, 11:38:29 AM https://blockchain.info/tx-index/12157143/79fdb617e334df0ad046cf79500da9c37802dd2928155c1aaf3111424c9a0611 :P Nice move :) (I couldn't play myself, since I'm at the 50BTC max) Yes, my intention was to offer 1 btc gift for a new deposit so if played by the rules this is currently limited to a maximum of 50 btc. Good old investors like Otoh have deposits of much more than this current limit so I didn't expect to received his funding at all. Maybe I should have made this clarification to all of you so I will try to make more than solomonic decision: I will send 1 btc to Otoh and 1 btc to area as he has made his new deposit only a few seconds later. I will send the 2 btcs to Otoh and area at 12:00 UTC and I am going to ask both of them to publicly confirm the reception. I think this will make everybody happy. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [open for deposits <=50BTC] Post by: Otoh on July 14, 2012, 12:08:37 PM I'm happy ;D
https://blockchain.info/tx-index/12160892/e994b1a3ec5ecc35ad2a4fa238dce249ab43883d7eb95b38e0aa80597c2a7142 Muchas gracias! Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [open for deposits <=50BTC] Post by: area on July 14, 2012, 12:12:37 PM http://blockchain.info/tx-index/12160908/f9d33900eeae6f521f9e57380152b807bf793292a882fbba70a7a644d7e52be3 is the one to me.
Cheers! Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [open for deposits <=50BTC] Post by: VEscudero on July 14, 2012, 08:16:33 PM Tomorrow I will be out of home for several hours so I will send the interests before or about 10:00am UTC.
I will read the messages in the forum when I return home but this may not be before the start of the next weekly term. As a consequence new investors that have not asked me a unique address for their deposits should hurry up for earning interests next week. If you already have a unique deposit address you can make your deposit before the 17:00 UTC deadline (assuming your current deposit is under 50 btc). When I return home, I will check the time of reception of the funds and those which arrived before the deadline will start earning interests for the following week. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [Deposits<=50B until 10:00 UTC] Post by: VEscudero on July 15, 2012, 09:02:51 AM Sending interests to 28 depositors and some withdrawals for 2 of them in less than an hour (10:00am UTC)
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [Deposits<=50B until 10:00 UTC] Post by: Tachikoma on July 15, 2012, 09:38:23 AM I would like to deposit 40BTC if you are still taking. Could you pm me a receiving address if so?
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [Deposits<=50B until 10:00 UTC] Post by: VEscudero on July 15, 2012, 10:10:41 AM I would like to deposit 40BTC if you are still taking. Could you pm me a receiving address if so? Just in time. I have PM'ed you with your deposit address. Please let me know your address to send your interests/withdrawals. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [Deposits<=50B until 10:00 UTC] Post by: VEscudero on July 15, 2012, 10:14:19 AM Interests earned for this past week has been sent. Please check your wallets.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [Deposits<=50B until 10:00 UTC] Post by: isthisreallife on July 15, 2012, 10:49:58 AM Interest received.
Thanks! Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [Deposits<=50B until 10:00 UTC] Post by: finkleshnorts on July 15, 2012, 12:16:25 PM I needed to withdraw the entirety of my principal along with this week's interest payment, and vescudero sent it all back without a problem.
I will likely be reinvesting shortly. Thanks Victor! Grateful Bob Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [Deposits<=50B until 10:00 UTC] Post by: Mushoz on July 15, 2012, 01:13:03 PM Hey,
I already have 10 BTC invested with you, but I would like to deposit 10 BTC more. Can I just reuse my old deposit address or will you have to send me a new one? Thanks! Mushoz Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [Deposits<=50B until 10:00 UTC] Post by: BadBitcoin (James Sutton) on July 15, 2012, 05:59:11 PM got my 1 BTC interest, appreciate it ves
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [Deposits<=50B until 10:00 UTC] Post by: Ocean6 on July 15, 2012, 06:00:11 PM Interest received! Thank you
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [Deposits<=50B until 10:00 UTC] Post by: Otoh on July 15, 2012, 06:18:23 PM Moltes Gràcies :)
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ [Deposits<=50B until 10:00 UTC] Post by: VEscudero on July 15, 2012, 07:05:56 PM Hey, I already have 10 BTC invested with you, but I would like to deposit 10 BTC more. Can I just reuse my old deposit address or will you have to send me a new one? Thanks! Mushoz Hi Mushoz, I'm back in business! I have just arrived home and I've seen your message. You can reuse your deposit address as this is unique just for you. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO'S Guaranteed Deposits at 2% Weekly ★ Post by: VEscudero on July 18, 2012, 06:03:07 AM Hello guys,
as I have stated before the current weekly interest rate of 2% will not last forever, so I am going to drop that figure to 1.5% in august. I will pay out interest at 2% the weeks starting at July 22th and July 29th so my last payment at 2% will be on Sunday 5th. From Sunday 5th onwards I will pay out a weekly 1.5% for all deposits, the new and the old ones, so please take that into account to before making new investments, choose to withdraw your coins or let them rest in this deposit. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ (Open for <=50 BTC deposit) Post by: VEscudero on July 21, 2012, 08:12:34 AM Open for new deposits of less than or equal to 50 bitcoins to earn 2% interest next week.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ (Open for <=50 BTC deposit) Post by: swissmate on July 22, 2012, 07:45:48 AM Such a nice deposit!
Would recommend this deposit to everyone. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ (Open for <=50 BTC deposit) Post by: asfas16123 on July 22, 2012, 11:48:57 AM I would like to deposit 50btc
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ (Open for <=50 BTC deposit) Post by: VEscudero on July 22, 2012, 02:35:40 PM I would like to deposit 50btc Sorry for the delay, this morning I've been out of home selling a large amount of bitcoins in a face-to-face meeting with another bitcoin user. asfas16123, I have just sent you a PM with your deposit address. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ (Open for <=50 BTC deposit) Post by: 0xz[.] on July 22, 2012, 04:26:12 PM This morning Victor Escudero has sold to me a large amount of BTC face to face. The business has been perfect. He is very friendly and helped me into the mysteries of Bitcoin.
God willing I hope to do future business with him more times. Esta mañana Victor Escudero me ha vendido una importante suma de BTC cara a cara. El negocio ha sido perfecto. Él es muy amable y me ha ayudado mucho en estos misterios del Bitcoin. Si Dios quiere espero poder hacer en el futuro más veces negocios con él. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ (Open for <=50 BTC deposit) Post by: 0xz[.] on July 22, 2012, 04:43:39 PM I will invest in your deposit 50BTC.
Voy a invertir 50BTC en su depósito. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ (Open for <=50 BTC deposit) Post by: PsychoticBoy on July 22, 2012, 04:51:00 PM Requested a total withdraw of my account, needed to purchase hardware.
Vescudero deposited the total + interest, just as I requested. Would deposit another sum of BTC in the future. Thanks for the service vescudero. Greetz Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ (Open for <=50 BTC deposit) Post by: vokain on July 23, 2012, 02:17:44 AM Got 1btc interest :)
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ (Open for <=50 BTC deposit) Post by: Papina on July 24, 2012, 12:04:50 AM 0.20btc interest received ty.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ (Open for <=50 BTC deposit) Post by: Grim Death on July 24, 2012, 07:23:27 PM Withdrew my balance today, Vescudero was very friendly and went out of his way to help me. I will definitely be doing business with him again once my financial position improves.
Thank you very much for a great service. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ Post by: Willowbitcoin on July 27, 2012, 12:01:53 PM Hi Ves,
I tried to check out your facebook but there are no posts? ( maybe i am missing something ). Also I hope Im not over stepping the mark, but can you link to any other photos of yourself. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ Post by: VEscudero on July 27, 2012, 04:01:20 PM Hi Ves, I tried to check out your facebook but there are no posts? ( maybe i am missing something ). Also I hope Im not over stepping the mark, but can you link to any other photos of yourself. Hi Willowbitcoin, I think you don't see any of my post in facebook maybe because you are not marked as a friend of mine, nevertheless I hardly use facebook. I do not have a lot of photos, so the same photo you can see here is what I also use for my profile in the rigth side of my website (https://www.vescudero.net) or my twitter (https://twitter.com/VEscudero) account. EDIT: Also you can see me in action in the last itSMF congress held in Madrid last July 2nd. I was one of the participants in the Panel of Experts talking about the role of the Service Manager. I am the one in the lower left corner in this photo (http://bit.ly/MLt8Yj). EDIT 2012-08-06: I am the guy on the left in this photo (http://bit.ly/1BtcPES) taken with other bitcoiners in the 1st Bitcoin Party in Spain. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ Post by: AndyRossy on July 27, 2012, 04:13:08 PM sent 20BTC.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ Post by: VEscudero on July 27, 2012, 04:21:11 PM sent 20BTC. Confirmed. I have just updated the OP with this deposit. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ Post by: Otoh on July 27, 2012, 05:49:12 PM Hi Ves, I tried to check out your facebook but there are no posts? ( maybe i am missing something ). Also I hope Im not over stepping the mark, but can you link to any other photos of yourself. There's a meet up of the Spanish Bitcoiners (see Spanish language thread) in Madrid the weekend after this one which I'm attending, when I'm back after Tues 7th Aug I shall confirm that Vescudero looks like his photo all being well. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ Post by: VEscudero on July 27, 2012, 07:24:39 PM Hi Ves, I tried to check out your facebook but there are no posts? ( maybe i am missing something ). Also I hope Im not over stepping the mark, but can you link to any other photos of yourself. There's a meet up of the Spanish Bitcoiners (see Spanish language thread) in Madrid the weekend after this one which I'm attending, when I'm back after Tues 7th Aug I shall confirm that Vescudero looks like his photo all being well. Sure, in fact at least Being a CAcert (http://www.cacert.org/) Assurer myself I'm used to show my credentials to other people, so this is no problem for me. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ Post by: Micon on July 28, 2012, 12:10:00 AM Hi Ves, I tried to check out your facebook but there are no posts? ( maybe i am missing something ). Also I hope Im not over stepping the mark, but can you link to any other photos of yourself. Hi Willowbitcoin, I think you don't see any of my post in facebook maybe because you are not marked as a friend of mine, nevertheless I hardly use facebook. I do not have a lot of photos, so the same photo you can see here is what I also use for my profile in the rigth side of my website (https://www.vescudero.net) or my twitter (https://twitter.com/VEscudero) account. yes, please justify your fake accounts more. They make them seem less fake. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ Post by: Micon on July 28, 2012, 12:10:52 AM This is a standard Ponzi scheme as well.
Vescudero - please explain what your core business unit does to make enough money to pay 2% per week in interest. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ Post by: VEscudero on July 28, 2012, 08:09:24 AM yes, please justify your fake accounts more. They make them seem less fake. Come on guy, What are you taking about? This is a standard Ponzi scheme as well. Vescudero - please explain what your core business unit does to make enough money to pay 2% per week in interest. Borrowing at a lower interest rate rather than the interest I apply for lending, this does not qualify as a Ponzi scheme. Before accusing me of having fake accounts or running a Ponzi scheme, please do your due diligence and provide evidence, otherwise keep spam out of this thread. EDIT: As anyone you can see in my bitcoinary profile (http://bit.ly/PNkyXg) my twitter account is not exactly brand new (Dec 2008), I have more than one hundred friends in my facebook account and more than 400 connections in my LinkedIn profile. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ Post by: cst on July 28, 2012, 08:33:53 AM yes, please justify your fake accounts more. They make them seem less fake. Come on guy, What are you taking about? This is a standard Ponzi scheme as well. Vescudero - please explain what your core business unit does to make enough money to pay 2% per week in interest. Borrowing at a lower interest rate rather than the interest I apply for lending, this does not qualify as a Ponzi scheme. Before accusing me of having fake accounts or running a Ponzi scheme, please do your due diligence and provide evidence, otherwise keep spam out of this thread. Just ignore him, he's on a Holy Crusade To Save Us From All The Ponzis (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94900.0). Micon, seriously, piss off, we are all adults, we know the risks. It's our money, stop telling us what we should/shouldn't do with it. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ [Open for <=50 BTC deposit] Post by: VEscudero on July 29, 2012, 11:45:55 AM About 14:00 UTC I will pay you out the earned interests during this week.
Next week starting today at 17:00h UTC and ending in Sunday 5th at the same time is going to be the last one I will pay 2% per week so new investors that want to take advantage of this great interest should hurry up. Afterwards, the interest rate will be cut down to a weekly 1.5%. EDIT: Interests has been paid out, please check your wallets! Info for this week: Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ [Open for <=50 BTC deposit] Post by: BadBitcoin (James Sutton) on July 29, 2012, 03:31:44 PM About 14:00 UTC I will pay you out the earned interests during this week. Next week starting today at 17:00h UTC and ending in Sunday 5th at the same time is going to be the last one I will pay 2% per week so new investors that want to take advantage of this great interest should hurry up. Afterwards, the interest rate will be cut down to a weekly 1.5%. EDIT: Interests has been paid out, please check your wallets! Info for this week: just concluded a 3 week deposit with vescudero and rated him on the OTC. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ Post by: John (John K.) on July 29, 2012, 05:33:05 PM yes, please justify your fake accounts more. They make them seem less fake. Come on guy, What are you taking about? This is a standard Ponzi scheme as well. Vescudero - please explain what your core business unit does to make enough money to pay 2% per week in interest. Borrowing at a lower interest rate rather than the interest I apply for lending, this does not qualify as a Ponzi scheme. Before accusing me of having fake accounts or running a Ponzi scheme, please do your due diligence and provide evidence, otherwise keep spam out of this thread. EDIT: As anyone you can see in my bitcoinary profile (http://bit.ly/PNkyXg) my twitter account is not exactly brand new (Dec 2008), I have more than one hundred friends in my facebook account and more than 400 connections in my LinkedIn profile. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ Post by: Vorksholk on July 30, 2012, 08:25:15 PM Hey vescudero, what's your opinion on having your service offered in something like I outline here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=96732.0 ? Thank you for your time.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ Post by: vokain on July 30, 2012, 11:28:09 PM got my two percent per week for two weeks :) thanks vescudero.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ Post by: Ocean6 on July 31, 2012, 04:11:29 PM I would like to withdraw 100% of my funds.
Thanks Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ Post by: VEscudero on July 31, 2012, 04:20:06 PM I would like to withdraw 100% of my funds. Thanks I take note of your choice and this Sunday I will send you the principal from your deposit plus the earned interests for the whole week. Thank you for letting me take care of your coins during this time. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ Post by: VEscudero on July 31, 2012, 09:16:02 PM Hey vescudero, what's your opinion on having your service offered in something like I outline here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=96732.0 ? Thank you for your time. Hi Vorksholk, Though I think this idea of you being a pass through for several lenders, I'm afraid I will not be very interested in these kind of operations. One of the main reasons for me running this deposit is because it let me keeps direct contact with my investors. The human interactions strengthen the web of trust that I want to build around the bitcoin community so this is why I prefer dealing with people in a peer to peer fashion. Anyway, thank you for thinking about offering my service. I wish you all the best, good luck with your initiative. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ Post by: Vorksholk on July 31, 2012, 09:33:43 PM Hey vescudero, what's your opinion on having your service offered in something like I outline here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=96732.0 ? Thank you for your time. Hi Vorksholk, Though I think this idea of you being a pass through for several lenders, I'm afraid I will not be very interested in these kind of operations. One of the main reasons for me running this deposit is because it let me keeps direct contact with my investors. The human interactions strengthen the web of trust that I want to build around the bitcoin community so this is why I prefer dealing with people in a peer-to-peer fashion. Anyway, thank you for thinking about offering my service. I wish you all the best, good luck with your initiative. Thanks for the input. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ Post by: Micon on July 31, 2012, 11:23:20 PM I would like to withdraw 100% of my funds. Thanks I take note of your choice and this Sunday I will send you the principal from your deposit plus the earned interests for the whole week. Thank you for letting me take care of your coins during this time. why not just send him BTC right now? Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ Post by: AndyRossy on August 01, 2012, 05:36:49 PM I would like to withdraw 100% of my funds. Thanks I take note of your choice and this Sunday I will send you the principal from your deposit plus the earned interests for the whole week. Thank you for letting me take care of your coins during this time. why not just send him BTC right now? Have you deposited on this thread Micon? Are you interested in depositing here? If not, please could you explain why you are trying to trash yet another thread? If you have a question direct to OP, which is off topic, you may which to start using the pm function, instead of junking up a thread that depositors actually wish to read, similarly, you can always post it in your own thread. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ Post by: VEscudero on August 02, 2012, 11:24:10 AM Hello depositors, I have just updated the OP to reflect the announced change for the weekly interest rate to 1.5%.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ [OPEN] Post by: VEscudero on August 04, 2012, 07:12:17 AM During this day, it will take a little bit longer for me to reply your PMs. There is a good reason though, as we will be celebrating the first Bitcoin Party (http://bit.ly/SpZZRb) here in Spain with a lot of other bitcoiners (https://bit.ly/NE9Di6).
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ [OPEN] Post by: juggalodarkclow on August 04, 2012, 10:44:41 PM I would like to make a small deposit, please PM me an address
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ [OPEN] Post by: VEscudero on August 04, 2012, 11:55:51 PM I would like to make a small deposit, please PM me an address PM Sent, deposit received and now updated in the OP. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ [OPEN] Post by: VEscudero on August 05, 2012, 04:34:11 PM Interests for keeping your deposits all the week have been paid out.
Summing up this week: - New or increased deposits: 8 - Partial or full withdrawals: 6 Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ [OPEN] Post by: IveBeenBit on August 05, 2012, 06:20:58 PM Interests for keeping your deposits all the week have been paid out. Summing up this week: - New or increased deposits: 6 - Partial or full withdrawals: 6 I received my 75BTC principle back today as well as all interest payments. Everything was handled smoothly. Thank you, Victor. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ [OPEN] Post by: Gladamas on August 05, 2012, 11:32:17 PM Hello Vescudero,
I received interest equal to 2% of my principal (not 1.5%.) Does the new interest rate start next week, or would you like me to send back the difference? Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ [OPEN] Post by: VEscudero on August 06, 2012, 12:50:02 AM Hello Vescudero, I received interest equal to 2% of my principal (not 1.5%.) Does the new interest rate start next week, or would you like me to send back the difference? Hi Gladamas, that was not an error. Yesterday I paid the last 2% for keeping you coins deposited with me the week that started on Sunday 29th. From August 5th onwards, all deposits will generate the new 1.5% interest rate per week that will be paid for the first time on Sunday 12th. I really appreciate your honesty for letting me know. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ Post by: Otoh on August 07, 2012, 05:29:35 PM I can confirm that I was present at the Spanish Bitcoin meet up in Madrid which was very well attended & a great success, Vescudero, Victor Escudero, looks just like his photo if not even more so in real life & I am totally confident with his looking after my funds, if he was accepting larger deposits atm then I would double up np.
Here's a link to the photo of just a few of our Bitcoin-ES members who attended (http://bit.ly/1BtcPES), there were many more at the actual meeting and another link to the article in Spanish in the Yorokobu magazine by our loved friend and journalist Marcus Hurst (http://bit.ly/BPArticle). Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ Post by: Willowbitcoin on August 07, 2012, 10:05:07 PM Thank you.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ Post by: flix on August 09, 2012, 02:08:41 PM Been watching this thread for a while and will likely become a depositor this week.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ Post by: flix on August 10, 2012, 02:23:49 PM Deposited 5.00 BTC today. Please confirm when received.
I look forward to seeing my name in that list at the beginning of the thread ;D Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ Post by: VEscudero on August 10, 2012, 03:01:10 PM Deposited 5.00 BTC today. Please confirm when received. I look forward to seeing my name in that list at the beginning of the thread ;D Thank you flix. You can see your name next to your assigned code ID_072. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ Post by: VEscudero on August 11, 2012, 11:41:14 AM Hello guys,
This week a will pay you out your interests almost 24 hours before the usual time that is around Sunday 17:00h UTC. This is because of my holidays, I will be travelling around so I will be offline for a while. Expect to receive your interests/withdrawals in about 2 hours from now, that is around 13:40h UTC. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ Post by: cst on August 11, 2012, 12:13:12 PM Hello guys, This week a will pay you out your interests almost 24 hours before the usual time that is around Sunday 17:00h UTC. This is because of my holidays, I will be travelling around so I will be offline for a while. Expect to receive your interests/withdrawals in about 2 hours from now, that is around 13:40h UTC. Are you going to be back by next weekend? Just want to know if we are to expect a delay in payments etc. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ Post by: VEscudero on August 11, 2012, 01:40:28 PM Are you going to be back by next weekend? Just want to know if we are to expect a delay in payments etc. Yes, I will be out only a few days, but for sure I will be back before next weekend. You should have received your interests by now, please check it and confirm your reception. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ Post by: cst on August 11, 2012, 01:50:03 PM Are you going to be back by next weekend? Just want to know if we are to expect a delay in payments etc. Yes, I will be out only a few days, but for sure I will be back before next weekend. You should have received your interests by now, please check it and confirm your reception. Yup, got mine couple minutes ago, thanks. And have fun on your holiday. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ Post by: subject on August 11, 2012, 08:53:15 PM Yes, I will be out only a few days, but for sure I will be back before next weekend. You should have received your interests by now, please check it and confirm your reception. Interested received, thanks for another week Victor Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ Post by: BTC-tester on August 17, 2012, 03:20:07 PM everything as described and always on time
thank you Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ Post by: Tachikoma on August 17, 2012, 03:26:57 PM I've have asked my deposit back this week and got it back within 12 hours. Awesome service and I will use it again when I got some extra funds. Thanks again Vescudero.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ Post by: Inedible on August 18, 2012, 01:26:33 AM Please return all funds to my withdrawal address - thanks.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ Post by: VEscudero on August 18, 2012, 01:49:40 AM Please return all funds to my withdrawal address - thanks. All right Inedible, thanks for letting me know in advance. At the end of this weekly term period (Sunday 17:00 UTC) I will send your last interests and your initial 50 BTC deposit. Thank you for letting me take care of your coiins for these two weeks. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ Post by: der_meister on August 19, 2012, 10:40:22 AM Just received interest for this week. :)
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ Post by: VEscudero on August 19, 2012, 10:53:35 AM All interests and withdraws have been sent right now. Enjoy and have a happy weekend!
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ Post by: Papina on August 19, 2012, 12:44:39 PM Received and actioned my withdraw request within the day, very good service.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ Post by: vandordeak on August 19, 2012, 02:53:47 PM All interests and withdraws have been sent right now. Enjoy and have a happy weekend! Received with thanks. Great service. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ Post by: Inedible on August 19, 2012, 03:31:10 PM All interests and withdraws have been sent right now. Enjoy and have a happy weekend! I'd like to tell everyone how professional Vescudero has been operating this business. I would happily do business with him again and I'm glad to have found an honest Bitcoin financial service. Many thanks! (And I'm sure all those that gave you bad press will have the honour and integrity to publicly apologise to you). Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ Post by: Uncurlhalo on August 19, 2012, 04:23:44 PM Just completed a withdrawal. Very good service and extremely easy to work with the whole time.
+1 Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ Post by: Raoul Duke on August 19, 2012, 04:34:58 PM What is the maximum deposit I can make? 50 BTC? 100 BTC? 150? How much?
Can you PM me one deposit address, please? Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 1.5% ★ Post by: VEscudero on August 19, 2012, 05:08:24 PM What is the maximum deposit I can make? 50 BTC? 100 BTC? 150? How much? Can you PM me one deposit address, please? Hi psy, The maximum amount for new deposits I will accept for the time being is 50 btc. I have send you a PM with your deposit address. Thank you. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: subject on August 21, 2012, 03:19:14 PM Invested for 3 weeks, excellent investor, very professional, very trustworthy. Great communication. Would invest with again in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: VEscudero on August 26, 2012, 12:41:08 PM I have just pay out this weekly interests as well as withdrawals. Check your wallets and enjoy!
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: SimBesh on August 26, 2012, 12:47:29 PM I have just pay out this weekly interests as well as withdrawals. Check your wallets and enjoy! Thanks! Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: 1Pakis on August 26, 2012, 02:40:22 PM checking..................................
OK Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Fortega on August 26, 2012, 05:51:06 PM Hi Vescudero,
Why do you have a max of 50 btc? One 500 btc deposit seems easier to manage than 10 times 50btc... Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Gladamas on August 26, 2012, 05:53:44 PM I have just pay out this weekly interests as well as withdrawals. Check your wallets and enjoy! Interest payment received. Thanks! Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: VEscudero on August 26, 2012, 07:20:43 PM Why do you have a max of 50 btc? One 500 btc deposit seems easier to manage than 10 times 50btc... For me building a strong reputation in the bitcoin community it's one of my top priorities. Following this guiding principle, I prefer dealing with a lot of small investors that can vouch for me as a trusted bitcoin trader than just a few large ones, even if they fill up my deposit. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: damon1492 on August 27, 2012, 05:13:01 PM where do i deposit (100b) and where i get the detail information about pay days and a confirmation? :)
i see u only accept 50b can i do two deposits? or more in future? or just the 50b :-\ Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: flix on August 27, 2012, 06:31:34 PM I have just pay out this weekly interests as well as withdrawals. Check your wallets and enjoy! Received. Good job vescudero! Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: VEscudero on August 27, 2012, 07:49:20 PM where do i deposit (100b) and where i get the detail information about pay days and a confirmation? :) i see u only accept 50b can i do two deposits? or more in future? or just the 50b :-\ Sorry damon1492, 50 BTC is the limit I can accept for new depositors. As stated in the OP, Sunday is the payment day. If you're interested PM me with your return address and I will generate a deposit address for you. Once received I will confirm your deposit and update the OP. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: damon1492 on August 28, 2012, 04:09:29 AM where do i deposit (100b) and where i get the detail information about pay days and a confirmation? :) i see u only accept 50b can i do two deposits? or more in future? or just the 50b :-\ Sorry damon1492, 50 BTC is the limit I can accept for new depositors. As stated in the OP, Sunday is the payment day. If you're interested PM me with your return address and I will generate a deposit address for you. Once received I will confirm your deposit and update the OP. I just send you 50B, please confirm :) thank you .ps. i got few friends that they use your service and so far i hear good outcomes, will keep an eye on :) Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: peasant on August 28, 2012, 04:24:23 AM When are you gonna be on WPW?
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: VEscudero on August 28, 2012, 05:31:31 AM I just send you 50B, please confirm :) thank you .ps. i got few friends that they use your service and so far i hear good outcomes, will keep an eye on :) OP updated with this new deposit and Confirmation sent on PM. When are you gonna be on WPW? I don't know, I contacted Patrick some time ago but I didn't get any reply back. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: jarsumarsu on August 28, 2012, 06:10:01 AM I would like to deposit 50 BTC for one-two weeks, maybe longer, if it's ok...?
PM me if interested :) Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: SimBesh on August 28, 2012, 10:31:05 AM When are you gonna be on WPW? I don't know, I contacted Patrick some time ago but I didn't get any reply back. [/quote] You were on WPW originaly (that's how i found you), i was wondering why not anymore also.. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: johnlu on August 28, 2012, 11:31:20 AM What's WPW?
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: SimBesh on August 28, 2012, 11:34:08 AM What's WPW? Who Pays What (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81542.0) Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: IveBeenBit on August 28, 2012, 03:00:02 PM You were on WPW originaly (that's how i found you), i was wondering why not anymore also.. Patrick decided not to list anyone in that thread unless they first submit their info to him and obtain a credit rating. Victor, do you have any intention of getting a credit rating from Patrick? Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: VEscudero on August 28, 2012, 06:11:01 PM You were on WPW originaly (that's how i found you), i was wondering why not anymore also.. Patrick decided not to list anyone in that thread unless they first submit their info to him and obtain a credit rating. Victor, do you have any intention of getting a credit rating from Patrick? I already sent him my credit data and even got my postal address verified through senbonzakura that also vouch for me before Patrick. Nevertheless this was several weeks ago and as I said, I have not received any answer from Patrick since then. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: VEscudero on August 28, 2012, 07:48:20 PM I would like to deposit 50 BTC for one-two weeks, maybe longer, if it's ok...? PM me if interested :) PM sent. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: PatrickHarnett on August 29, 2012, 12:35:12 AM You were on WPW originaly (that's how i found you), i was wondering why not anymore also.. Patrick decided not to list anyone in that thread unless they first submit their info to him and obtain a credit rating. Victor, do you have any intention of getting a credit rating from Patrick? I already sent him my credit data and even got my postal address verified through senbonzakura that also vouch for me before Patrick. Nevertheless this was several weeks ago and as I said, I have not received any answer from Patrick since then. Quite correct, it was several weeks ago. (2nd August) Attending to it now. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: PatrickHarnett on August 29, 2012, 09:19:00 PM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81542.msg897422#msg897422
Added Vescudero's credit metrics to the WPW thread with his approval. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: VEscudero on August 29, 2012, 09:40:20 PM Thanks Pattrick. I will post here my credit ratings for keeping my investors informed.
Deposit Takers
Credit Rating Data
I will do my best to improve this rating even more, but for the time being I think they are very good numbers: Weighted score 4.33, AA+ Overall rating and Perfect 100% business transparency according to Patrick's own assessment. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: IveBeenBit on August 29, 2012, 10:52:26 PM Welcome to the club, Victor! :)
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: VEscudero on September 02, 2012, 04:05:13 PM Hello happy investors, I have already paid out due interests ;)
Thank you for the trust you demonstrate every week letting me take care of your deposits. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Raoul Duke on September 02, 2012, 04:06:53 PM Hello happy investors, I have already paid out due interests ;) Thank you for the trust you demonstrate every week letting me take care of your deposits. Got mine. And thank you. :) Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Gladamas on September 02, 2012, 04:22:09 PM Hello happy investors, I have already paid out due interests ;) Thank you for the trust you demonstrate every week letting me take care of your deposits. Interest payment received, thanks! Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: 1Pakis on September 02, 2012, 05:48:09 PM Interest payment received, thanks!
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: OneEyed on September 02, 2012, 07:07:44 PM Interest payment received, on time as usual, and OTC rating increased.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Micon on September 02, 2012, 08:03:44 PM My real name is Victor Escudero, I am a CAcert assurer and I have nothing to hide. Reputation and trust are of utmost importance in my day-to-day job as well as in my personal life. If you have any doubt about deposit your money with me, I encourage you to check my GnuPG signatures (http://bit.ly/MKfopK), see my #bitcoin-otc ratings (http://bit.ly/btc-otc), check my professional profile at LinkedIn (http://linkd.in/LyV15x), visit my personal website (http://www.vescudero.net/search/label/bitcoin), Twitter (http://bit.ly/LWqRHx) account, Facebook (http://on.fb.me/NPv4Zk) account, bitcoinary (http://bit.ly/PNkyXg) profile or simply read my previous posts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=58268;sa=showPosts) in the bitcointalk.org forum.[/color] Hi Vescudero. Since you have nothing to hide, I see on your LinkedIN profile that you work for Altran. A friend of mine is a consultant for them. What division of Altran do you work in? Where are you stationed? you tweeted on Jun 29th that you were going to speak in a Panel of Experts. Did you ever do that? Quote from: @VEscudero Victor Escudero @VEscudero I'm gonna be one of the speakers in the next Panel of Experts organized by itSMF #itsmfes: Role of the Service Manager. http://bit.ly/LFR6li Collapse Reply Retweet Favorite 11:39 AM - 29 Jun 12 · Details Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: VEscudero on September 02, 2012, 08:32:19 PM Hi Vescudero. Since you have nothing to hide, I see on your LinkedIN profile that you work for Altran. A friend of mine is a consultant for them. What division of Altran do you work in? Where are you stationed? Hi Micon, I work for the Telecom division in Altran. Right now I'm working in one of our main customer facilities. Please ask your friend to look for me in our internal directory, it will be a pleasure for me to talk with him/her. you tweeted on Jun 29th that you were going to speak in a Panel of Experts. Did you ever do that? Quote from: @VEscudero Victor Escudero @VEscudero I'm gonna be one of the speakers in the next Panel of Experts organized by itSMF #itsmfes: Role of the Service Manager. http://bit.ly/LFR6li Yeah, please read the post I wrote at the end of July in the post of this same thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89122.msg1058575#msg1058575). Please take a look and search for 'Víctor Escudero' in the page of the event. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposit at 2% ★ Post by: Micon on September 02, 2012, 08:55:03 PM yes, please justify your fake accounts more. They make them seem less fake. Come on guy, What are you taking about? This is a standard Ponzi scheme as well. Vescudero - please explain what your core business unit does to make enough money to pay 2% per week in interest. Borrowing at a lower interest rate rather than the interest I apply for lending, this does not qualify as a Ponzi scheme. Before accusing me of having fake accounts or running a Ponzi scheme, please do your due diligence and provide evidence, otherwise keep spam out of this thread. EDIT: As anyone you can see in my bitcoinary profile (http://bit.ly/PNkyXg) my twitter account is not exactly brand new (Dec 2008), I have more than one hundred friends in my facebook account and more than 400 connections in my LinkedIn profile. 1) Wow. I had heard that Theymos deposited to Pirate, and now John is here defending a 1.5% per week "insured" "lender" ??? there is no Lending here. Only borrowing. 2) John - please, I beg of you - please show this thread to a CPA, anyone over 60 that is solvent, a Laywer, Doctor, Accountant, Banker, Mortgage broker - please do not listen to me and please ask a person that understands finance that you trust. I can 100% promise you they will look at this thread and the others contained here and instantly dismiss them as scams. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: wachtwoord on September 02, 2012, 09:07:39 PM Micon could you please get your ass out of all these threads I like to follow? You're making it quite hard for me with all he off-topic unsubstantiated nonsense you're constantly repeating. If you do not comply I will start reporting every such post of yours to the modsto try ad get you removed from these forums instead and adviseothers to do the same.
Thank you Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Micon on September 02, 2012, 09:22:58 PM Micon could you please get your ass out of all these threads I like to follow? You're making it quite hard for me with all he off-topic unsubstantiated nonsense you're constantly repeating. If you do not comply I will start reporting every such post of yours to the modsto try ad get you removed from these forums instead and adviseothers to do the same. Thank you report me as many times as you'd like and form any vigilante force you can. This is yet another $100k+ scam taxing the BTC community and it must be stopped. I will be asking VEscudero very on topic questions about the fake identity he created and the scam he is running. I was right about BCST and Gavin agrees with me : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=105288.0 Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: finkleshnorts on September 02, 2012, 09:25:53 PM This is yet another $100k+ scam Did you even look at the OP? Where do you gather these statistics? Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Raoul Duke on September 02, 2012, 09:26:50 PM This is yet another $100k+ scam Did you even look at the OP? Where do you gather these statistics? He pulls them straight from his ass. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Micon on September 02, 2012, 09:32:47 PM This is yet another $100k+ scam Did you even look at the OP? Where do you gather these statistics? ok you guys got me, off by a decimal. Only $25k scam. Current Deposits: Code: ID: Depositor: Deposit Amount: Weekly Interest Rate: First Deposit made: ID_001 1sm1q 100 BTC 1.5% 2012/06/24 ID_003 DeadTerra 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/06/24 ID_004 der_meister 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/06/24 ID_005 gsan 125 BTC 1.5% 2012/06/24 ID_006 IveBeenBit 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/08/18 ID_007 joyyen 100 BTC 1.5% 2012/06/24 ID_008 Mushoz 10 BTC 1.5% 2012/06/24 ID_009 Otoh 304 BTC 1.5% 2012/06/24 ID_010 pyramining 100 BTC 1.5% 2012/06/24 ID_012 nimda 1.5 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/01 ID_013 1GqbET4cd6 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/01 ID_014 Btc4Domains 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/01 ID_017 exahash 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/01 ID_020 Maidak 5 BTC 1.5% 2012/08/31 ID_021 SimBesh 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/07 ID_022 isthisreallife 17.5 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/07 ID_025 EcmSeer 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/07 ID_027 PatrickHarnett 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/08 ID_028 mollison 30 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/08 ID_029 david113 27 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/11 ID_033 OneEyed 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/13 ID_034 gladamas 25 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/13 ID_037 Onichan 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/13 ID_038 jaebird 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/14 ID_039 zebedee 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/14 ID_040 Xenophon 10 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/14 ID_041 area 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/14 ID_043 thirdlight 10 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/14 ID_044 johnlu 15 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/14 ID_045 cst 20 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/14 ID_047 Soros Shorts 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/14 ID_049 zakariax 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/15 ID_050 oneoctet 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/15 ID_051 ElRaffa 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/18 ID_052 slider1978 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/18 ID_053 pepelu 10 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/21 ID_055 asfas16123 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/22 ID_056 0xz[.] 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/22 ID_057 drrussellshane 2.5 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/22 ID_058 gabbynot 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/22 ID_061 Russel616 11 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/28 ID_062 wachtwoord 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/28 ID_063 Koekiemonster 15 BTC 1.5% 2012/07/30 ID_066 Jaume_Marti 5.29 BTC 1.5% 2012/08/04 ID_067 juggalodarkclow 5 BTC 1.5% 2012/08/04 ID_068 walterkronkite 21.16 BTC 1.5% 2012/08/04 ID_069 biteye 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/08/05 ID_070 phr33 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/08/09 ID_071 Manolo_Lucena 30 BTC 1.5% 2012/08/09 ID_072 flix 5 BTC 1.5% 2012/08/09 ID_073 Laura_Cañete 10.3 BTC 1.5% 2012/08/11 ID_074 rta 20 BTC 1.5% 2012/08/12 ID_075 zaj 10 BTC 1.5% 2012/08/12 ID_077 Justin00 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/08/13 ID_079 MoinCoin 16.67 BTC 1.5% 2012/08/16 ID_080 1Pakis 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/08/19 ID_081 psy 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/08/19 ID_082 Boson 10 BTC 1.5% 2012/08/25 ID_084 smell 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/08/29 ID_085 Eisenberg 50 BTC 1.5% 2012/08/31 ID_086 jaspita 10 BTC 1.5% 2012/09/01 ID_087 TheOtherGuy 5 BTC 1.5% 2012/09/02 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Total Bitcoins deposited: 2586.91 BTC Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: memvola on September 02, 2012, 09:37:38 PM I was right about BCST and Gavin agrees with me : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=105288.0 Everyone was saying it was a Ponzi scheme before you even heard about it. Now we have to believe whatever everyone says I guess... :-\ Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Gavin Andresen on September 02, 2012, 10:14:15 PM Micon could you please get your ass out of all these threads I like to follow? You're making it quite hard for me with all he off-topic unsubstantiated nonsense you're constantly repeating. If you do not comply I will start reporting every such post of yours to the modsto try ad get you removed from these forums instead and adviseothers to do the same. Yeah, don't do that, you'll annoy some of us moderators.I think Micon is doing the moral thing, warning people of what he thinks are scams. I think they're scams, too. It is impossible to get risk-free 1.5% weekly interest, I don't care how good you are at "playing the market" or "choosing who to lend to." Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: VEscudero on September 02, 2012, 10:22:59 PM Before making such an accusation of scam, please Micon do your homework first.
Regarding the size of my deposit, I think you should do the math again as 2586 BTC is not the same as 25K BTC and not even close to 100K BTC. Please read the OP, the posts in this thread and the PM I sent you on July 27th before spamming this thread again. I have provided evidence of my true identity before (remember I'm a CAcert assurer that usually signs digital certificates for other people too). Provide evidence against me or my deposit or forever hold your peace. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Gladamas on September 03, 2012, 12:00:57 AM Regarding the size of my deposit, I think you should do the math again as 2586 BTC is not the same as 25K BTC and not even close to 100K BTC. I think he was alleging that it is a $25,000 USD scam. 2586 BTC * USD$10/BTC ≈ $25,000. ok you guys got me, off by a decimal. Only $25k scam. In any case... Before making such an accusation of scam, please Micon do your homework first. ... Provide evidence against me or my deposit or forever hold your peace. +1. Spreading unsubstantiated FUD is unwarranted. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Micon on September 03, 2012, 01:13:02 AM Before making such an accusation of scam, please Micon do your homework first. Regarding the size of my deposit, I think you should do the math again as 2586 BTC is not the same as 25K BTC and not even close to 100K BTC. Please read the OP, the posts in this thread and the PM I sent you on July 27th before spamming this thread again. I have provided evidence of my true identity before (remember I'm a CAcert assurer that usually signs digital certificates for other people too). Provide evidence against me or my deposit or forever hold your peace. I can easily prove you are running a scam and your identity if fraudulent: 1) you have ~2500 BTC on deposit you have borrowed this at 1.5% per week - or about 140 BTC per month in interest owed. Simply, do you make more or less than 140 BTC per month? 2) https://www.facebook.com/vescudero is this your personal Facebook account? Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Bitcoin Oz on September 03, 2012, 01:14:25 AM Regarding the size of my deposit, I think you should do the math again as 2586 BTC is not the same as 25K BTC and not even close to 100K BTC. I think he was alleging that it is a $25,000 USD scam. 2586 BTC * USD$10/BTC ≈ $25,000. ok you guys got me, off by a decimal. Only $25k scam. In any case... Before making such an accusation of scam, please Micon do your homework first. ... Provide evidence against me or my deposit or forever hold your peace. +1. Spreading unsubstantiated FUD is unwarranted. Thats what pirate said. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Micon on September 03, 2012, 01:48:50 AM you tweeted on Jun 29th that you were going to speak in a Panel of Experts. Did you ever do that? Quote from: @VEscudero Victor Escudero @VEscudero I'm gonna be one of the speakers in the next Panel of Experts organized by itSMF #itsmfes: Role of the Service Manager. http://bit.ly/LFR6li Yeah, please read the post I wrote at the end of July in the post of this same thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89122.msg1058575#msg1058575). Please take a look and search for 'Víctor Escudero' in the page of the event. odd... you don't appear in any of the pictures from this speaking engagement: http://itsmf.es/index.php?option=com_phocagallery&view=category&id=71:curso-de-verano-2012&Itemid=439 Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Raoul Duke on September 03, 2012, 02:08:02 AM http://itsmf.es/images/phocagallery/curso-verano-2012/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l__dsc2819_1.jpghttps://twimg0-a.akamaihd.net/profile_images/2352880072/0pg560j0te2jb21d077q.jpeg
WTF is that Micon? Is that him? Did you even bother looking at the photos before saying he wasn't there? As usual Micon pulls accusations out of his ASS and expects others to do the work for him. Is that the way you play poker also? It would explain the failure... Stop embarassing yourself, you fool. You wouldn't see an elephant even if it was in front of you blocking your path on a tunnel. Now for a little more embarassment: http://itsmf.es/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=755:v-curso-de-verano-de-itsmf-espana&catid=79:noticias&Itemid=401 Quote 11:30 Panel Expertos: El Gestor del Servicio (Service Manager) pdf Solo-Fans Modera: Victor M. Fernández / SANITAS Participan: - Raul Núñez / GFI - Víctor Escudero / Altran - Javier Pérez Pacheco / DMS Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: phantitox on September 03, 2012, 05:27:32 AM you tweeted on Jun 29th that you were going to speak in a Panel of Experts. Did you ever do that? Quote from: @VEscudero Victor Escudero @VEscudero I'm gonna be one of the speakers in the next Panel of Experts organized by itSMF #itsmfes: Role of the Service Manager. http://bit.ly/LFR6li Yeah, please read the post I wrote at the end of July in the post of this same thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89122.msg1058575#msg1058575). Please take a look and search for 'Víctor Escudero' in the page of the event. odd... you don't appear in any of the pictures from this speaking engagement: http://itsmf.es/index.php?option=com_phocagallery&view=category&id=71:curso-de-verano-2012&Itemid=439 smart move champ... lol Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: StrictlyBusiness on September 03, 2012, 08:43:48 AM Deposit sent, I would like my payments to be added to my deposit if poss?
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: johnlu on September 03, 2012, 02:46:40 PM I can easily prove you are running a scam and your identity if fraudulent: 1) you have ~2500 BTC on deposit you have borrowed this at 1.5% per week - or about 140 BTC per month in interest owed. Simply, do you make more or less than 140 BTC per month? 2) https://www.facebook.com/vescudero is this your personal Facebook account? Micon, I met vescudero (Víctor Escudero) in Madrid in the first bitcoin party in Spain, he looks like you can see in his profile pic. He's a real person, he signed my CaCert certificate, my gpg footprint and I saw his goverment issued identification card and his Spanish driver license. I'm totally sure about his identity is real. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: sadpandatech on September 03, 2012, 02:54:58 PM My real name is Victor Escudero, I am a CAcert assurer and I have nothing to hide. Reputation and trust are of utmost importance in my day-to-day job as well as in my personal life. If you have any doubt about deposit your money with me, I encourage you to check my GnuPG signatures (http://bit.ly/MKfopK), see my #bitcoin-otc ratings (http://bit.ly/btc-otc), check my professional profile at LinkedIn (http://linkd.in/LyV15x), visit my personal website (http://www.vescudero.net/search/label/bitcoin), Twitter (http://bit.ly/LWqRHx) account, Facebook (http://on.fb.me/NPv4Zk) account, bitcoinary (http://bit.ly/PNkyXg) profile or simply read my previous posts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=58268;sa=showPosts) in the bitcointalk.org forum.[/color] Hi Vescudero. Since you have nothing to hide, I see on your LinkedIN profile that you work for Altran. A friend of mine is a consultant for them. What division of Altran do you work in? Where are you stationed? you tweeted on Jun 29th that you were going to speak in a Panel of Experts. Did you ever do that? Quote from: @VEscudero Victor Escudero @VEscudero I'm gonna be one of the speakers in the next Panel of Experts organized by itSMF #itsmfes: Role of the Service Manager. http://bit.ly/LFR6li Collapse Reply Retweet Favorite 11:39 AM - 29 Jun 12 · Details Since you're too fucking lazy to click the link provided; "11:30 Panel Expertos: El Gestor del Servicio (Service Manager) Expert Panel: The Service Manager (Service Manager) Modera: Victor M. Moderator: Victor M. Fernández / SANITAS Fernandez / SANITAS Participan: Participants: - Raul Núñez / GFI - Raul Nunez / GFI - Víctor Escudero / Altran - Victor Escudero / Altran " and a link to the site in English; http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.itsmf.es/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26id%3D755&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://itsmf.es/index.php%253Foption%253Dcom_content%2526view%253Darticle%2526id%253D755%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1363%26bih%3D850%26prmd%3Dimvns&sa=X&ei=CsREUJGYD5H68QSpjoGwDg&ved=0CCUQ7gEwAA Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: JoelKatz on September 03, 2012, 03:02:16 PM I think they're scams, too. It is impossible to get risk-free 1.5% weekly interest, I don't care how good you are at "playing the market" or "choosing who to lend to." If the operator is taking 100% of the risk of default, why would he want to settle for a sliver of the profit? It makes no sense. If he had the funds to insure the investors against default, why wouldn't he just lend those? It just doesn't make any sense.I also find it very strange that he thinks he will be "slowly building [his] reputation here" by operating what looks precisely like a scam. If he's right, that's an incredibly sad commentary on this community. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: memvola on September 03, 2012, 03:30:17 PM I think they're scams, too. It is impossible to get risk-free 1.5% weekly interest, I don't care how good you are at "playing the market" or "choosing who to lend to." If the operator is taking 100% of the risk of default, why would he want to settle for a sliver of the profit? It makes no sense. If he had the funds to insure the investors against default, why wouldn't he just lend those? It just doesn't make any sense.Depends on the volume. My net worth is probably a few hundred thousand Euros, mostly real estate, and my more liquid assets are also safely invested. If I had decided to test the grounds with an operation worth to the degree of twenty thousand Euros, like Vescudero, it wouldn't make any sense for me to sell my real estate, but I can still safely guarantee the investments. Now, since two complementary things don't make any sense, the universe has to disappear. I also find it very strange that he thinks he will be "slowly building [his] reputation here" by operating what looks precisely like a scam. If he's right, that's an incredibly sad commentary on this community. Yeah, not that this scheme smells like a scam to me, but there is a fair point in there I guess. EDIT: By the way, we are either talking about 78% yearly interest or 117% weekly (assumed cumulative, but I suspect Vescudero doesn't do that?), both of which aren't unheard of in the "typical" financial world. Actually I got more than 100% on my mundane deposits for several years from my bank in the '90's, when the inflation rates were high (admittedly they were twice as high of Bitcoin's). One more reason it doesn't scream scam to me. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Minor on September 03, 2012, 06:51:42 PM VEscudero,
It does seem to me that this high interest deposits offer is not a scam per see, and that your are indeed trying to build up your good reputation in the Bitcoin community. But are you bleeding BTCs to do it? Assuming that you do actually fully intend to pay the promised interest, and repay the capital when requested, it seems to me that the only way you will be able to do so is by digging into your own BTC reserves. So far I have seen two of the investments that you have made with the coins that people have lent to you: - A 100BTC investment in pyramining that has a claimed (but risky) expected return of about 10% in 11 months, or about 0.2% per week. - An unknown amount lent at 1.75% per week (but you were paying 2% per week at the time). Neither of these is generating a positive cash flow when compared to the interests that you have to pay out. Can you show us (or at least describe) an investment that you made with the borrowed coins that gives you a better than 1.5% return per week? If you don't, some people will just assume that you are trying to buy yourself a good reputation. (Should *that* be considered a scam?). Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: BadBitcoin (James Sutton) on September 03, 2012, 07:17:11 PM I just wanted to comment in this thread because I had an interesting thing happen to me today, I wanted to redeposit 50 BTC with ves, however he denyed my deposit because he considers his current volume large enough. I commend him for this and his foresight in knowing his own limitations. Micron can say whatever he wants, but from this day forward (and beforehand) I believe vescudero to be an honest business man, or at the very least, not a ponzi.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: amgomez on September 03, 2012, 07:33:37 PM Mining bonds at GLBSE offer even higher returns than Vescudero deposits, and nobody question them.
I admit perpetual bonds are not the same as deposits, but they probe those returns per week are possible without being a ponzi. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: JoelKatz on September 04, 2012, 01:44:08 AM Depends on the volume. My net worth is probably a few hundred thousand Euros, mostly real estate, and my more liquid assets are also safely invested. If I had decided to test the grounds with an operation worth to the degree of twenty thousand Euros, like Vescudero, it wouldn't make any sense for me to sell my real estate, but I can still safely guarantee the investments. Now, since two complementary things don't make any sense, the universe has to disappear. It still makes more sense to borrow against the real estate and use that. So this translates into, "I make so much money in my genius business plan that I can assume all the risk, keep only a tiny sliver of the profits, and the people I choose to share my bounty with -- those who would invest in something that looks exactly like a Ponzi scheme".Mining bonds at GLBSE offer even higher returns than Vescudero deposits, and nobody question them. Show me one that promises over 20% APR and claims no or low risk and I will question it.Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Gladamas on September 04, 2012, 01:56:15 AM Mining bonds at GLBSE offer even higher returns than Vescudero deposits, and nobody question them. Show me one that promises over 20% APR and claims no or low risk and I will question it.Do you really think that mining bonds are scams? Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: nimda on September 04, 2012, 01:57:33 AM Depends on the volume. My net worth is probably a few hundred thousand Euros, mostly real estate, and my more liquid assets are also safely invested. If I had decided to test the grounds with an operation worth to the degree of twenty thousand Euros, like Vescudero, it wouldn't make any sense for me to sell my real estate, but I can still safely guarantee the investments. Now, since two complementary things don't make any sense, the universe has to disappear. It still makes more sense to borrow against the real estate and use that. So this translates into, "I make so much money in my genius business plan that I can assume all the risk, keep only a tiny sliver of the profits, and the people I choose to share my bounty with -- those who would invest in something that looks exactly like a Ponzi scheme".Mining bonds at GLBSE offer even higher returns than Vescudero deposits, and nobody question them. Show me one that promises over 20% APR and claims no or low risk and I will question it.Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: JoelKatz on September 04, 2012, 02:27:37 AM Mining bonds at GLBSE offer even higher returns than Vescudero deposits, and nobody question them. Show me one that promises over 20% APR and claims no or low risk and I will question it.Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Mosrite on September 04, 2012, 07:30:25 AM I just wanted to comment in this thread because I had an interesting thing happen to me today, I wanted to redeposit 50 BTC with ves, however he denyed my deposit because he considers his current volume large enough. I commend him for this and his foresight in knowing his own limitations. Micron can say whatever he wants, but from this day forward (and beforehand) I believe vescudero to be an honest business man, or at the very least, not a ponzi. Straight from the Bernard L. Madoff playbook. "Not accepting new accounts/deposits at this time." Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: dust on September 04, 2012, 07:34:58 AM Mining bonds at GLBSE offer even higher returns than Vescudero deposits, and nobody question them. Mining bonds are expected to decrease in value over time, so this offsets the high interest payments. They are also exposed to risks like new mining technologies becoming available.I admit perpetual bonds are not the same as deposits, but they probe those returns per week are possible without being a ponzi. I just wanted to comment in this thread because I had an interesting thing happen to me today, I wanted to redeposit 50 BTC with ves, however he denyed my deposit because he considers his current volume large enough. I commend him for this and his foresight in knowing his own limitations. Micron can say whatever he wants, but from this day forward (and beforehand) I believe vescudero to be an honest business man, or at the very least, not a ponzi. Pirate did this too.Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: flix on September 05, 2012, 07:39:44 AM I think they're scams, too. It is impossible to get risk-free 1.5% weekly interest, I don't care how good you are at "playing the market" or "choosing who to lend to." Not really impossible.. it's just very difficult to do so consistently for more than a few months. I've witnessed first hand much higher rates of return for a 6 month period (then they crashed). Of course if vescudero stops and returns the funds as soon as his arbitrage opportunity disappears, or his trading strategy stops working, assuming the last batch of losses himself, then this can work well for him as a reputation-building exercise. If he expects to do this indefinitely... then it'll probably end up as a ponzi, especially if he tries to cover any losses with more deposits. So far I've received interest for 3 weeks, am quite happy with this and think that it's legit. But caution is always advisable. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: flix on September 05, 2012, 07:54:46 AM Of course at 1.5% weekly, you would need this to last 67 weeks to recoup your investment...
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Micon on September 05, 2012, 12:06:34 PM I think they're scams, too. It is impossible to get risk-free 1.5% weekly interest, I don't care how good you are at "playing the market" or "choosing who to lend to." Not really impossible.. it's just very difficult to do so consistently for more than a few months. I've witnessed first hand much higher rates of return for a 6 month period (then they crashed). Of course if vescudero stops and returns the funds as soon as his arbitrage opportunity disappears, or his trading strategy stops working, assuming the last batch of losses himself, then this can work well for him as a reputation-building exercise. If he expects to do this indefinitely... then it'll probably end up as a ponzi, especially if he tries to cover any losses with more deposits. So far I've received interest for 3 weeks, am quite happy with this and think that it's legit. But caution is always advisable. I have seen this line of thinking before. It is important to understand there is no underlying business unit here - weekly interest only comes from new investment. Veescudero's "arbitrage opportunity" is a myth - think about it guys - there is only 1 exchange of any size. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Fortega on September 05, 2012, 01:47:09 PM weekly interest only comes from new investment. Unless you can prove this, you should not use such statements. Although I appreciate the fact that you are trying to warn people, you should say: 'I think this is a ponzi' or 'I strongly believe this is a ponzi' or 'If this is not a ponzi, I will give you all my money*', but not 'This is a ponzi' *In case this turns out not to be a ponzi: 1FortegasBd9B255YygTEYTT7GXFjsfqii Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: JoelKatz on September 06, 2012, 12:00:23 AM weekly interest only comes from new investment. Unless you can prove this, you should not use such statements. In context, it's clear that "only" doesn't rule out the possibility that some miniscule amount occasionally comes from some other source. "Only" can mean the only substantial factor or effect. For example, "Don't argue, you'll only make him mad" doesn't mean that you won't also cause air to vibrate. Quote Although I appreciate the fact that you are trying to warn people, you should say: 'I think this is a ponzi' or 'I strongly believe this is a ponzi' or 'If this is not a ponzi, I will give you all my money*', but not 'This is a ponzi' There is no difference. When a person makes a claim, they are stating that they believe that claim is true. We understand that people are neither perfect nor omniscient.If I say "Your wife is cheating on you", every rational person who understands the English language knows that I mean that I have reason to believe their wife is cheating on them. You would not conclude that it must be the case that she is in fact cheating on you. Nor would you believe that I was stating that logical proposition just to bring it up for discussion. The most natural interpretation of "Your wife is cheating on you" is that the speaker has reasons that he believes justify believing that your wife is cheating on you. "I think your wife is cheating on you" says precisely the same thing, just more weakly. There is absolutely no reason he should weaken his warning. In fact, if he could think of any way to make it stronger, he should do that. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: nrd525 on September 06, 2012, 12:08:16 AM Avast (anti-virus) says malware on the personal website (could be a false positive, though they are pretty rare, I cannot tell ). What is up with that? Could be an infected advertisement, or hack?
High rate of interest. Steady high rate of interest. No business model. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Fortega on September 06, 2012, 07:15:46 AM If I say "Your wife is cheating on you", every rational person who understands the English language knows that I mean that I have reason to believe their wife is cheating on them. Maybe it's a language issue (as I'm not native English speaking), but I would never say "Your wife is cheating on you", unless:- I had sex with your wife. OR - I have seen (prove of) someone else having sex with your wife OR - someone I really trust told me "His wife is cheating on him". Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: P4man on September 06, 2012, 07:37:57 AM Unless you can prove this, you should not use such statements. You cant prove a ponzi. Claiming something is a ponzi is claiming there is no profit generator. How do you prove a negative? The burden of proof lays with whoever says its not a ponzi, primarily of course with the person taking in the deposits, since that person is claiming there is a profit generator that can produce 1.5% per week. If he cant prove or at the very least feasibly explain that profit generator, it has to be assumed a ponzi. To use a Rumsfeld: absence of evidence is evidence for a ponzi. To use another "boutade" (*); Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Being able to consistently produce 1.5% profits per week at no risk is certainly an extraordinary claim. (*) No idea what the correct english word is here for an overused expression. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Mosrite on September 06, 2012, 09:41:24 AM PONZI ALERT
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: 0xz[.] on September 07, 2012, 08:36:53 AM Please, I would like that from now you pay me interest to this address: 14JSnBTpAdhT8QVUaeDanp3HgmkKdoGDDa Thanks Greetings Hola: Por favor Victor. Te agradecería que a partir de ahora me pagues los intereses a esta dirección: 14JSnBTpAdhT8QVUaeDanp3HgmkKdoGDDa Un saludo Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: BadBitcoin (James Sutton) on September 07, 2012, 10:30:00 AM weekly interest only comes from new investment. Unless you can prove this, you should not use such statements. In context, it's clear that "only" doesn't rule out the possibility that some miniscule amount occasionally comes from some other source. "Only" can mean the only substantial factor or effect. For example, "Don't argue, you'll only make him mad" doesn't mean that you won't also cause air to vibrate. Quote Although I appreciate the fact that you are trying to warn people, you should say: 'I think this is a ponzi' or 'I strongly believe this is a ponzi' or 'If this is not a ponzi, I will give you all my money*', but not 'This is a ponzi' There is no difference. When a person makes a claim, they are stating that they believe that claim is true. We understand that people are neither perfect nor omniscient.If I say "Your wife is cheating on you", every rational person who understands the English language knows that I mean that I have reason to believe their wife is cheating on them. You would not conclude that it must be the case that she is in fact cheating on you. Nor would you believe that I was stating that logical proposition just to bring it up for discussion. The most natural interpretation of "Your wife is cheating on you" is that the speaker has reasons that he believes justify believing that your wife is cheating on you. "I think your wife is cheating on you" says precisely the same thing, just more weakly. There is absolutely no reason he should weaken his warning. In fact, if he could think of any way to make it stronger, he should do that. I don't understand, why do you guys care what other people do with their money? I love investing in ponzi's, great returns, just spread your risk and you are fine, its like gambling, don't play with what you can't afford to lose, simple as that. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: memvola on September 07, 2012, 12:18:50 PM I don't understand, why do you guys care what other people do with their money? I love investing in ponzi's, great returns, just spread your risk and you are fine, its like gambling, don't play with what you can't afford to lose, simple as that. The concern is, naive people will be suckered into them, lose a lot of money, which will give Bitcoin a bad name. I'm not convinced that it's true though, especially after pirate. Another reason could be a potential chain collapse of legitimate looking businesses because of these investments. Yesterday I met a person who has lost money to pirate while trying to buy coins cash-in-the-mail, apparently the seller was keeping his stash in pirate. If I were convinced that these are Ponzi schemes, I'd say they are stealing money away from legitimate investments that have real potential to grow Bitcoin. So yes, I think there are enough reasons to care, if you suspect it's a scam. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: JoelKatz on September 07, 2012, 05:12:28 PM I don't understand, why do you guys care what other people do with their money? I love investing in ponzi's, great returns, just spread your risk and you are fine, its like gambling, don't play with what you can't afford to lose, simple as that. Fraud is not at all like gambling. If you love investing in Ponzis, then you love paying people to steal things and give them to you.Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Gavin Andresen on September 07, 2012, 05:58:15 PM Fraud is telling people lies to get them to do something or making promises you know you can't keep.
In my humble opinion, promising people "Risk-free" returns is fraud. Even US Treasury Bills are not "risk free." Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: VEscudero on September 07, 2012, 11:58:25 PM I would like to clarify the concept of my risk-free operation at least a little bit to avoid some confusion.
As any other business, my operation has some implicit risks, risks that I am willing to take in order for me to get higher although variable returns, in exchange for paying out fixed interest rates to my investors. Perhaps, instead of risk-free deposit it might be better described as a guaranteed one. I am always trying to keep my deposit manageable in terms of size and amount of time I can devote to my investors. The primary reason to put a limit in my deposit is to maintain an adequate balance between the time I can devote to my investors and the time I can devote myself to make good investment decisions and make lending operations to keep my business profitable. Current weekly interest rate could be and will be adjusted accordingly to this criteria. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Guaranteed Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: JoelKatz on September 08, 2012, 02:22:12 AM As any other business, my operation has some implicit risks, risks that I am willing to take in order for me to get higher although variable returns, in exchange for paying out fixed interest rates to my investors. Perhaps, instead of risk-free deposit it might be better described as a guaranteed one. In other words, you take all the risk but keep only a sliver of the profits. If you have the money to guarantee deposits, why wouldn't you just use the guarantee money instead of paying usurious interest rates? It would be like somebody having $50,000 in a safe while they carry $50,000 on their credit cards. There are two possibilities:1) You are lying about this, in which case nobody should trust you with their money because you are a liar. 2) You are telling the truth about this, in which case nobody should trust you with their money because your financials decisions are idiotic. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: VEscudero on September 08, 2012, 07:48:28 AM Please, I would like that from now you pay me interest to this address: 14JSnBTpAdhT8QVUaeDanp3HgmkKdoGDDa Thanks Greetings PM sent. For security reasons, once a return address has been setup I don't allow changes. Otherwise if a hacker gains access to your bitcointalk account she/he could just ask me to send all your coins from the deposit to an address under her/his control. Fortunately, there are still some easy ways to get this done safely so with a little more effort we can work it out. EDIT: Return address has been changed after getting through several security checks. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Gladamas on September 08, 2012, 05:22:57 PM Please, I would like that from now you pay me interest to this address: 14JSnBTpAdhT8QVUaeDanp3HgmkKdoGDDa Thanks Greetings PM sent. For security reasons, once a return address has been setup I don't allow changes. Otherwise if a hacker gains access to your bitcointalk account she/he could just ask me to send all your coins from the deposit to an address under her/his control. Fortunately, there are still some easy ways to get this done safely so with a little more effort we can work it out. EDIT: Return address has been changed after getting through several security checks. I assume you had them sign a message with their old payment address? Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: VEscudero on September 08, 2012, 08:54:26 PM I assume you had them sign a message with their old payment address? There are several methods, sign with old payment address, pgp signed message from members that already sent me their withdrawal address signed at the time of their first deposit, withdraw funds to old return address and then resend to the deposit address, ... In that case at hand, it was much easier than that because I already knew '0xz[.]' even before he decided to invest in my deposit. I knew him from the Spanish group in Facebook 'Bitcoin España', google+, also we met each other in the 1st Bitcon Party hold in Spain and because I have sold him several hundreds BTCs (nearly 1K) in exchange for cash. I simply contacted him through another channel and ask him to phone me to the number I gave him long time ago. I guess this is another way of applying the KYC rules (a.k.a 'Know Your Customer') ;) Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: zyk on September 08, 2012, 10:39:39 PM I think they're scams, too. It is impossible to get risk-free 1.5% weekly interest, I don't care how good you are at "playing the market" or "choosing who to lend to." Not really impossible.. it's just very difficult to do so consistently for more than a few months. I've witnessed first hand much higher rates of return for a 6 month period (then they crashed). Of course if vescudero stops and returns the funds as soon as his arbitrage opportunity disappears, or his trading strategy stops working, assuming the last batch of losses himself, then this can work well for him as a reputation-building exercise. If he expects to do this indefinitely... then it'll probably end up as a ponzi, especially if he tries to cover any losses with more deposits. So far I've received interest for 3 weeks, am quite happy with this and think that it's legit. But caution is always advisable. I have seen this line of thinking before. It is important to understand there is no underlying business unit here - weekly interest only comes from new investment. Veescudero's "arbitrage opportunity" is a myth - think about it guys - there is only 1 exchange of any size. Come on Lord Micon, keep poker face and don´t loose all your phantasies. Sometimes others got a better hand ! ;) Am with you when asking for the iron broom, but for unfounded accusations there should be guillotines in reserve as well. Cause a business escapes your perception, doesn´t mean there is none. Please stick to your sharpness , your trustworthyness is needed. Thanks Zyk Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: bitcoinBull on September 09, 2012, 05:53:24 AM Hello investors, I provide risk-free deposits guaranteed to payout at 1.5% weekly interest rate, no compounding. The deposits will be used for lending out to other borrowers, investing in short term opportunities and investing in other bitcoin projects. All my depositor's funds are 100% guaranteed and will not lose any funds due to any defaults. http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/hsc5115l.jpg Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Micon on September 09, 2012, 11:47:19 AM Fraud is telling people lies to get them to do something or making promises you know you can't keep. In my humble opinion, promising people "Risk-free" returns is fraud. Even US Treasury Bills are not "risk free." don't take Gavin's interest in these scams lightly. This is the lead Bitcoin programmer posting here. This means that he feels extremely strongly about how detrimental these scams are for the system he devotes a large % of his life to help further. Do not invest in these scams. Not even if you think you can get in, then get out before the bust - in any result you are hurting bitcoin. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: Puppet on September 09, 2012, 12:12:15 PM vescudero, will you accept an escrowed bet about your default in the next 6 months?
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: zyk on September 09, 2012, 01:10:30 PM I accept the bet , if we use Victor as escrow ;)
Cheers Zyk Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: Otoh on September 09, 2012, 01:31:17 PM @zyk lol
I propose these terms if anyone is interested, personally I choose to leave my funds with Victor but choose not to enter in to any bets, but I would be happy to act as an escrow if anyone wished though. Vescudero will not default - bet: Agree xxx BTC Victor Escudero, Vescudero, will not default on the funds lent to him or on the interest due on them within the next 6 months. Funds covered are those listed in & added to his OP & a default is defined as being over 2 weeks late in paying out any interest or funds due. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89122.0;all He may at any time change the rate of interest payed out &/or return any &/or all funds (with interest to date). He may close his offering at any time & if all funds & interest due has been payed then the bet is then classed as over & won. Event date 2013 03 10 Bet deadline 2013 03 08 Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: zyk on September 09, 2012, 02:08:29 PM Sorry otoh,
you try to jump right to step 2 in Ghandi´s theorem, please make you first comfortable with step one. ;) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66802.460 number 467 Thanks Zyk P.S. When able to follow zykloogish at first sight, happily accept you as an escrow Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: Otoh on September 09, 2012, 02:57:21 PM Sorry otoh, you try to jump right to step 2 in Ghandi´s theorem, please make you first comfortable with step one. ;) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66802.460 number 467 Thanks Zyk P.S. When able to follow zykloogish at first sight, happily accept you as an escrow I have no idea what you mean by 'h' & I have no interest in debating with you so there's no need to bother enlightening me, that was why I didn't respond to whatever you were trying to convey in the other thread & I expect that I shall be mostly just skipping your posts if you do respond & it's anyway off topic for this thread. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: VEscudero on September 09, 2012, 03:24:41 PM I have just payed out the interests for the running week. Have a happy weekend!
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: OneEyed on September 09, 2012, 03:40:43 PM I just got back my principal back along with this week interests, just as expected.
This has been a hassle-free experience, and since I started when the offering was 2%/week, I received all-in-all 13.5% as interests during the course of those 8 weeks. Thanks Victor! Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: phr33 on September 09, 2012, 05:23:01 PM I have used this service for 4 weeks. Interest paid as agreed every week. Victor has responded professionally and quickly on all my PMs. I requested to withdraw my deposit along with this weeks pay outs. No hassle, full payment received. All positive experience.
Thanks Victor! Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: Otoh on September 09, 2012, 06:20:50 PM After hashking defaulted yesterday, though it looks like he intends to make good starting Monday & I hope that he gets plenty of recognition for that if he can do so successfully, I requested a full withdrawal of funds from Vescudero because though I trust him I like many wanted all funds back under my direct control, I requested after the 24 hour notice required & assumed that the funds would be returned the Sunday following this one but Victor kindly agreed to send them back along with this week's interest today, this greatly reassured me & so I asked him to cancel my W/D if possible & keep the funds for the foreseeable future, I also apologized for messing him around & recommended that he deduct any costs these last minute changes had made for him from the interest.
A couple of hours ago I received back my full investment of 304 BTC plus the full weekly interest, I was his largest depositor by far & he returned everything even though he didn't need to at all & in a very professional & courteous way, when/if he opens for new deposits again I shall go out of my way to participate & show support for someone who has behaved above reproach. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: P4man on September 09, 2012, 06:30:53 PM Similar things were said (and at that time, probably true) about Pirate, HashKing, INAU, and whoever else has defaulted recently, its hard to keep track.
After all thats happened, if you still invest in a >100% APR undisclosed business model, you will only have yourself to blame. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: OneEyed on September 09, 2012, 07:19:49 PM Similar things were said (and at that time, probably true) about Pirate, HashKing, INAU, and whoever else has defaulted recently, its hard to keep track. After all thats happened, if you still invest in a >100% APR undisclosed business model, you will only have yourself to blame. Did you notice a pattern in what you wrote? Those guys are anonymous, or are trying to be. Victor is not, and has never tried to be, he in fact posted a lot of information about him while making this offer. He also explained that he is trying to build trust in the bitcoin world. What he is doing (accepting small deposits from a maximum of people in order to build relationships, rather than taking large deposits from a few people, which would be easier to manage) makes perfect sense: he is now trusted by a lot of people who have faith in his ability to keep his word. He has not disclosed what he is doing with the funds, and I have not asked him. Maybe he spends some of his own money to pay the interests, after all, for 2.5kBTC that would represent about 300€/month, which could be worth a reputation of reliability. Maybe he is taking a measured risk and placed half of the funds in Patrick Harnett's deposit, which pays back 1% a week, in which case he would have to disburse around 200€/month, and could take a hit of 10k€ if Patrick defaulted fully. What I believe is that he will always pay back his investors. Note a similarity here? Patrick uses his real name too. And so far, everyone seems happy with his way of doing business. As for Victor, I think Patrick takes measured risks only, and would be ready to liquidate some assets should a catastrophic event cause the loss of some of the funds that were sent to him. What do you think would happen if Victor scammed people, voluntarily or not? Would he take the risk of having his name slandered? His online reputation is based on trust, he is a CAcert.org assurer (disclaimer: I am one too, even though I haven't assured people for years for lack of availability), and CAcert.org is based on trust into assurers that guarantee a person identity after checking state issued photo ids and have to keep a copy of the documents for years in case of a dispute. Victor can be easily located, we know who he works for in real life, he even gave more detailed information after Micon requested it (Micon, did your friend check that Victor is who he claims to be by looking into the internal directory?). The odds of him scamming people or even of not assuming a loss are extremely small. Maybe someday we will learn that Victor deposited all or parts of the funds into one of the failed deposit, and covered the loss from his own pocket. I hope (for Victor) that this is not the case, but I would not be totally surprised if it happened. You can call me naive, stupid or blind, but there is nothing in Victor's behaviour that raised any red flag as far as I am concerned. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: zyk on September 09, 2012, 07:56:36 PM Similar things were said (and at that time, probably true) about Pirate, HashKing, INAU, and whoever else has defaulted recently, its hard to keep track. After all thats happened, if you still invest in a >100% APR undisclosed business model, you will only have yourself to blame. Did you notice a pattern in what you wrote? Those guys are anonymous, or are trying to be. Victor is not, and has never tried to be, he in fact posted a lot of information about him while making this offer. He also explained that he is trying to build trust in the bitcoin world. What he is doing (accepting small deposits from a maximum of people in order to build relationships, rather than taking large deposits from a few people, which would be easier to manage) makes perfect sense: he is now trusted by a lot of people who have faith in his ability to keep his word. He has not disclosed what he is doing with the funds, and I have not asked him. Maybe he spends some of his own money to pay the interests, after all, for 2.5kBTC that would represent about 300€/month, which could be worth a reputation of reliability. Maybe he is taking a measured risk and placed half of the funds in Patrick Harnett's deposit, which pays back 1% a week, in which case he would have to disburse around 200€/month, and could take a hit of 10k€ if Patrick defaulted fully. What I believe is that he will always pay back his investors. Note a similarity here? Patrick uses his real name too. And so far, everyone seems happy with his way of doing business. As for Victor, I think Patrick takes measured risks only, and would be ready to liquidate some assets should a catastrophic event cause the loss of some of the funds that were sent to him. What do you think would happen if Victor scammed people, voluntarily or not? Would he take the risk of having his name slandered? His online reputation is based on trust, he is a CAcert.org assurer (disclaimer: I am one too, even though I haven't assured people for years for lack of availability), and CAcert.org is based on trust into assurers that guarantee a person identity after checking state issued photo ids and have to keep a copy of the documents for years in case of a dispute. Victor can be easily located, we know who he works for in real life, he even gave more detailed information after Micon requested it (Micon, did your friend check that Victor is who he claims to be by looking into the internal directory?). The odds of him scamming people or even of not assuming a loss are extremely small. Maybe someday we will learn that Victor deposited all or parts of the funds into one of the failed deposit, and covered the loss from his own pocket. I hope (for Victor) that this is not the case, but I would not be totally surprised if it happened. You can call me naive, stupid or blind, but there is nothing in Victor's behaviour that raised any red flag as far as I am concerned. Yeah , let those greedy angloamerican heroscammers eat cake ! They won´t even put a scammers - tag on their breed, cause its all newbies fault, to do their own due diligence ! At least there are some who don´t dare to deny the facts ;) They are just counting their gains and preparing the next sucker play. Still hoping for some change, consequences and an stop to self - vested - interest - ignorance :D Cheers Zyk Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: P4man on September 09, 2012, 08:11:53 PM Admittedly, Im not familiar with CAcert, so I dont know how strong proof that is. The link doesnt mean anything to me, perhaps you can elaborate on that? Other than that, there is nothing that proves his ID. Facebook link doesnt even work, and the rest would take a wanna be scammer a few hours tops.
That said, even if we were sure his ID were correct and not stolen, then so what? Its a step up from Pirate perhaps, but when was the last time a bitcoin scammer got convicted in court? Mybitcoin, Bitcoinica, Pirate, .. no one even got in trouble so far. Quote Maybe he spends some of his own money to pay the interests, after all, for 2.5kBTC that would represent about 300€/month, which could be worth a reputation of reliability. Now think that through.. if he doesnt have a businessmodel that pays for the 100% APR, then why oh why would he pay 300 euro per month just to get a good rep? Thats precisely what a scammer would do, not someone with a genuine profit model. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: zyk on September 09, 2012, 08:28:40 PM Admittedly, Im not familiar with CAcert, so I dont know how strong proof that is. The link doesnt mean anything to me, perhaps you can elaborate on that? Other than that, there is nothing that proves his ID. Facebook link doesnt even work, and the rest would take a wanna be scammer a few hours tops. That said, even if we were sure his ID were correct and not stolen, then so what? Its a step up from Pirate perhaps, but when was the last time a bitcoin scammer got convicted in court? Mybitcoin, Bitcoinica, Pirate, .. no one even got in trouble so far. Quote Maybe he spends some of his own money to pay the interests, after all, for 2.5kBTC that would represent about 300€/month, which could be worth a reputation of reliability. Now think that through.. if he doesnt have a businessmodel that pays for the 100% APR, then why oh why would he pay 300 euro per month just to get a good rep? Thats precisely what a scammer would do, not someone with a genuine profit model. You can talk to him even in your native language and in Europe we are registered at ours homes adresses...this is not the land of the scott - free scammmers as your wild - west seems to be and we are respecting facts not groupthink, which is the most important reason why you fuck over yourselves in ponzis and we match savings and investment. Got it groupthinkers??? Cheers Zyk Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: zyk on September 09, 2012, 08:30:50 PM vescudero, will you accept an escrowed bet about your default in the next 6 months? How many coins do you want to put where your mouth is ? Am happy with otoh as escrow too now, as he is liquid enough for humble opinions. ;) Am recognizing that treasurys, deposits with Vescudero and bets involve risk exposure, but only in so far as you can trust yourself and your own perception to be congruent with reality. But there are still a lot of forum members, who think, that discounting lies of borrowers and lenders is part of due diligence. I heavily oppose this ! Ready to put up? Thanks Zyk Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: zyk on September 09, 2012, 08:32:34 PM oh sorry,
Loup Garroux apprently can´t be part of the crooks own empire.... Still not all hope is lost ;) Cheers Zyk Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: OneEyed on September 09, 2012, 08:56:54 PM Admittedly, Im not familiar with CAcert, so I dont know how strong proof that is. The link doesnt mean anything to me, perhaps you can elaborate on that? Other than that, there is nothing that proves his ID. See http://wiki.cacert.org/FAQ/AssuranceByCAP (http://wiki.cacert.org/FAQ/AssuranceByCAP) if that helps you understand how it works. You can also follow the links, and see that an assurer must go through a more thorough ID verification than regular people, as he needs to get more points by more assurers. Go back in the thread, and you'll also find someone who checked his ID in person at a Spanish bitcoin meeting, as well as links to a colloquium where he spoke, with pictures and all. The PGP key he uses is 18 months old and is signed (which implies photo id verification too) by prominent free software developers, faculty staff, etc. Except by meeting him in real life and checking his id myself, I could not be more convinced than I currently am that Victor is who he says he is! Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: nimda on September 09, 2012, 09:11:42 PM Admittedly, Im not familiar with CAcert, so I dont know how strong proof that is. The link doesnt mean anything to me, perhaps you can elaborate on that? Other than that, there is nothing that proves his ID. See http://wiki.cacert.org/FAQ/AssuranceByCAP (http://wiki.cacert.org/FAQ/AssuranceByCAP) if that helps you understand how it works. You can also follow the links, and see that an assurer must go through a more thorough ID verification than regular people, as he needs to get more points by more assurers. Go back in the thread, and you'll also find someone who checked his ID in person at a Spanish bitcoin meeting, as well as links to a colloquium where he spoke, with pictures and all. The PGP key he uses is 18 months old and is signed (which implies photo id verification too) by prominent free software developers, faculty staff, etc. Except by meeting him in real life and checking his id myself, I could not be more convinced than I currently am that Victor is who he says he is! Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: OneEyed on September 09, 2012, 09:19:59 PM Food for thought: do you know who MNW is? I know his name. And I also know he thinks he is out of touch because he apparently lives somewhere in South Korea. Spain and the USA are hardly comparable in terms of reachability. On the side note, although Matthew scammed many people with his "bet", he didn't receive one satoshi out of it, so the damages are limited. But discussing this would be clearly off-topic here. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: nimda on September 09, 2012, 09:54:14 PM Food for thought: do you know who MNW is? I know his name. And I also know he thinks he is out of touch because he apparently lives somewhere in South Korea. Spain and the USA are hardly comparable in terms of reachability. On the side note, although Matthew scammed many people with his "bet", he didn't receive one satoshi out of it, so the damages are limited. But discussing this would be clearly off-topic here. lol why is anyone pissed? I bet (heh) that people did lose money.everyone knew he wasn't going to pay up. no one lost money. and he got the scammer tag. probably a lot of people's bets were for 10 times more bitcoin then they actually had, you know just for the off chance that MWN is retarded and did pay out. 1. Investor notices the bet thread 2. Investor notices TYGRR-BOND-P is trading at 0.1 BTC 3. Investor buys 1 share 4. Investor bets 1 BTC 5. MNW exposes the "loophole" 6. Investor is forced to sell his share again, at a loss of 0.04 BTC. Just because MNW didn't gain doesn't mean others didn't lose. If I break your window, neither of us gain. I'd still be an asshole though, especially if there's no recourse you have against me. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: zyk on September 09, 2012, 10:28:25 PM Food for thought: do you know who MNW is? I know his name. And I also know he thinks he is out of touch because he apparently lives somewhere in South Korea. Spain and the USA are hardly comparable in terms of reachability. On the side note, although Matthew scammed many people with his "bet", he didn't receive one satoshi out of it, so the damages are limited. But discussing this would be clearly off-topic here. lol why is anyone pissed? I bet (heh) that people did lose money.everyone knew he wasn't going to pay up. no one lost money. and he got the scammer tag. probably a lot of people's bets were for 10 times more bitcoin then they actually had, you know just for the off chance that MWN is retarded and did pay out. 1. Investor notices the bet thread 2. Investor notices TYGRR-BOND-P is trading at 0.1 BTC 3. Investor buys 1 share 4. Investor bets 1 BTC 5. MNW exposes the "loophole" 6. Investor is forced to sell his share again, at a loss of 0.04 BTC. Just because MNW didn't gain doesn't mean others didn't lose. If I break your window, neither of us gain. I'd still be an asshole though, especially if there's no recourse you have against me. Has this any implications to the topic of this thread? Is MNW CArated ? Is Victor the perpetrator of TYGRR-BOND-P ? Are you able to call a duck a duck? Please let me in Thanks Zyk Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: johnlu on September 09, 2012, 11:12:26 PM Admittedly, Im not familiar with CAcert, so I dont know how strong proof that is. The link doesnt mean anything to me, perhaps you can elaborate on that? Other than that, there is nothing that proves his ID. Go back in the thread, and you'll also find someone who checked his ID in person at a Spanish bitcoin meeting, as well as links to a colloquium where he spoke, with pictures and all. P4man, those words are about me. I saw vescudero ID card issued by Spanish state and his driver license. He saw mine too. As you already know I'm identified in bitmit and you bought some pendrives from me. We can discuss about this is a good business model or not, all of these stuff are just guessing. But, for me, otoh, and many others bitcoiners in Spain, vescudero is the person he says to be. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: JoelKatz on September 10, 2012, 02:51:30 AM On the side note, although Matthew scammed many people with his "bet", he didn't receive one satoshi out of it, so the damages are limited. But discussing this would be clearly off-topic here. I didn't receive one Satoshi from Pirate's scam, does it follow that the damages are limited? Yes, Matthew made no profit from the damage he did. How does that show the damages are limited?Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: Micon on September 10, 2012, 04:44:31 AM On the side note, although Matthew scammed many people with his "bet", he didn't receive one satoshi out of it, so the damages are limited. But discussing this would be clearly off-topic here. I didn't receive one Satoshi from Pirate's scam, does it follow that the damages are limited? Yes, Matthew made no profit from the damage he did. How does that show the damages are limited?deliberately mis-managing another human's expectations about money makes a negative emotional impact on the victims. This is what Matt did, this is what Pirate did, this is what Vescudero is doing. Mis-managing expectations of many others in order for himself to profit greatly. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: zyk on September 10, 2012, 09:07:41 AM On the side note, although Matthew scammed many people with his "bet", he didn't receive one satoshi out of it, so the damages are limited. But discussing this would be clearly off-topic here. I didn't receive one Satoshi from Pirate's scam, does it follow that the damages are limited? Yes, Matthew made no profit from the damage he did. How does that show the damages are limited?deliberately mis-managing another human's expectations about money makes a negative emotional impact on the victims. This is what Matt did, this is what Pirate did, this is what Vescudero is doing. Mis-managing expectations of many others in order for himself to profit greatly. This is all too right.....and even formulated way to softly, how damaging it is for community spirit and the wherewithall of Bitcon ! But : To remind you of the late Sir Alan Greenspan : Bubbles ( ponzis ) are not recognizable in advance, they got to be cleaned up afterwards ! Of course in FIAT world this is a blatant lie, but it applies to bitcoin. Where are the efforts of the great Moderators of this forum to put scammer - tags on the PPT -operators, who are still "mismanaging human´s expectations" helping to hide the ill - gotten interest of the ponzi -scams ? May I deduce that everybody watches out for the next one?...the same as false accusations have no consequences and are greeted as evidence.....even if its just based on the limited ability to percieve the facts and the inability of nearly all the Super - Egos to backpaddle, when getting their head handed back to them. And so, as i love to put perceptions in the realm of reality, nobody is perfect ;), would you mind, Sir Micon, to put up for otoh´s bet ? Vescudero was (is) a useful service for me, as I earned his weekly interest in 15 min. after I took out a loan. Thought of you as a bastion of honor or is your "justice" the last air-bag protecting the heroscammers of legitimate competition ? Thanks Zyk P.S. As long as i can´t see the same clean- up efforts made to prosecute the big profiteers as have been shown for MNW...... bitcoin.org is a typical case of frying the small - fish and let the bigo(tt)nes going on scott -free..... Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: Justin00 on September 10, 2012, 09:15:24 AM was able to withdraw all my BTCs with no issues at all :)
Thanks again Victor Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: slider1978 on September 12, 2012, 04:36:55 AM My requested withdrawal was handled on time as well as all the interest payments while I had BTC deposited.
Thanks very much Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: thirdlight on September 12, 2012, 06:00:53 AM My requested withdrawal was handled on time as well as all the interest payments while I had BTC deposited. I've had the same experience.Thanks very much Thanks, Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: VEscudero on September 15, 2012, 12:08:51 AM Hello,
I would like inform all of you in advance of the closing of this deposit by the end of this month. Since the very beginning my deposit has been a very successful operation because of you, my investors. I would like to thank everyone of you, so an operation like this had not been possible without your trust. After careful consideration, I have decided to close my deposit in order for me to make up part of the free time I used to have in the past. I know you might be worried thinking about the future of your bitcoins. I can give you my word, that I will return all your coins back with due interests. Stay tuned. Victor Escudero Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: Raoul Duke on September 15, 2012, 12:19:00 AM OK. Send my deposit back when you close up shop. Keep up the good work, Victor.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: nraz on September 15, 2012, 06:48:54 AM Do you really think vescudero is going to return all your deposits?
Make your escrowed bet (http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671) for or against his default and win a lot of Bitcoins!! http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671 (http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671) Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: 420 on September 15, 2012, 07:17:45 AM Do you really think vescudero is going to return all your deposits? Make your escrowed bet (http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671) for or against his default and win a lot of Bitcoins!! http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671 (http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671) Someone sure thinks so Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: bitfoo on September 15, 2012, 07:32:58 AM Do you really think vescudero is going to return all your deposits? Make your escrowed bet (http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671) for or against his default and win a lot of Bitcoins!! http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671 (http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671) Account registered just 8 hours ago, just 7 posts in and is already betting 299 BTC on vescudero paying out. Clearly a shill. Well, at least he gives the non-believers a way to put their money where their mouth is. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: bitcoinBull on September 15, 2012, 08:01:59 AM Do you really think vescudero is going to return all your deposits? Make your escrowed bet (http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671) for or against his default and win a lot of Bitcoins!! http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671 (http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671) Account registered just 8 hours ago, just 7 posts in and is already betting 299 BTC on vescudero paying out. Clearly a shill. Well, at least he gives the non-believers a way to put their money where their mouth is. Yea, I got this PM too (addressed to "Hi Gavin") Vescudero's scheme has only been operating since late June (and at that time he was still competing with pirate). For a ponzi that short, it would be very easy for him to pay everyone back with interest, and try to make some profits from this little bet. Then re-open later, after proving "not a ponzi" to everyone the first time. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: repentance on September 15, 2012, 10:44:30 AM Do you really think vescudero is going to return all your deposits? Make your escrowed bet (http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671) for or against his default and win a lot of Bitcoins!! http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671 (http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671) Account registered just 8 hours ago, just 7 posts in and is already betting 299 BTC on vescudero paying out. Clearly a shill. Well, at least he gives the non-believers a way to put their money where their mouth is. I got a PM spam about it too, despite never having posted in Vescudero's thread. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [No availability] Post by: VEscudero on September 15, 2012, 11:45:53 AM Do you really think vescudero is going to return all your deposits? Make your escrowed bet (http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671) for or against his default and win a lot of Bitcoins!! http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671 (http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671) Please take your bets with you out of this thread. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: flix on September 15, 2012, 01:33:45 PM Hello, I would like inform all of you in advance of the closing of this deposit by the end of this month. Since the very beginning my deposit has been a very successful operation because of you, my investors. I would like to thank everyone of you, so an operation like this had not been possible without your trust. After careful consideration, I have decided to close my deposit in order for me to make up part of the free time I used to have in the past. I know you might be worried thinking about the future of your bitcoins. I can give you my word, that I will return all your coins back with due interests. Stay tuned. Victor Escudero Sad to see the end of this, very happy with the results so far and hope to hear more from vescudero in the future. I'll post here when I get my BTC back to let all you guys know that vescudero is a trustworthy guy. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: Bitcoin Oz on September 16, 2012, 10:23:56 AM Hello, I would like inform all of you in advance of the closing of this deposit by the end of this month. Since the very beginning my deposit has been a very successful operation because of you, my investors. I would like to thank everyone of you, so an operation like this had not been possible without your trust. After careful consideration, I have decided to close my deposit in order for me to make up part of the free time I used to have in the past. I know you might be worried thinking about the future of your bitcoins. I can give you my word, that I will return all your coins back with due interests. Stay tuned. Victor Escudero Another one bites the dust. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: VEscudero on September 16, 2012, 04:56:22 PM Hello guys, check your wallets bleeping.
Interests have been paid out for this week and 13 deposits have been withdrawn. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: der_meister on September 16, 2012, 05:23:14 PM Interest received. 8)
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: 1Pakis on September 16, 2012, 06:54:06 PM Confirmed
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: wuala on September 16, 2012, 07:19:55 PM Ok victor. Recibido
Wuala :) Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: Gladamas on September 16, 2012, 08:35:16 PM Interest and principal received. Thanks Victor!
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: Maidak on September 16, 2012, 09:29:48 PM Got all my coinage back + the interest
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: Onichan on September 16, 2012, 11:50:50 PM Got my deposit and interest back, thanks. Never had any problems and was a great service.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: smell on September 17, 2012, 04:55:42 AM Received back my principal with interest today. Vescudero was polite, professional and a pleasure to deal with.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: zaj on September 17, 2012, 12:15:34 PM Got my full interest & principal back as promised...thanks!
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: Mushoz on September 17, 2012, 07:19:15 PM Just received my interest + principal! Thanks Vescudero! 'Twas a pleasure doing business with you :)
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: wachtwoord on September 17, 2012, 07:22:25 PM Wow a lot of people are withdrawing their principal.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: Otoh on September 17, 2012, 08:17:28 PM Wow a lot of people are withdrawing their principal. If you read the thread you will see that he has closed the service & has returned principle plus interest, to everyone. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: wachtwoord on September 17, 2012, 08:20:12 PM Erm no, I still have my deposit with him. The service will stop at the end of the month.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: Otoh on September 17, 2012, 08:34:01 PM Erm no, I still have my deposit with him. The service will stop at the end of the month. Ah sorry, my mistake, I knew that but lost track of time with travelling & stuff, apologies. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: wachtwoord on September 17, 2012, 08:55:07 PM Don't worry about it :)
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: Micon on September 19, 2012, 09:59:17 AM I assume coins have been fully distributed yet?
are any other creditors owed coin by Vescudero? Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: greyhawk on September 19, 2012, 10:04:51 AM This should be the last one of the "very special investment opportunities" to shut down now, isn't it? They're all dead and gone?
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: OneEyed on September 19, 2012, 10:24:55 AM I assume coins have been fully distributed yet? are any other creditors owed coin by Vescudero? Why don't you just look at the first post of this very thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89122.300) and look at the list? You'll see that Victor still takes care of 1718.96 BTC, and you will even get the list of people that trust Victor enough not to have withdrawn their funds yet. You will also have the list of people that have successfully dealt with Victor in the past, as well as the amount withdrawn and the corresponding dates. Micon, in case you have not noticed, this board is not write-only, you are allowed to read before you write. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: Bitcoin Oz on September 20, 2012, 11:18:18 PM This should be the last one of the "very special investment opportunities" to shut down now, isn't it? They're all dead and gone? No there are more showing up all the time now which was to be expected I suppose. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: Chong Ciao on September 20, 2012, 11:50:18 PM This should be the last one of the "very special investment opportunities" to shut down now, isn't it? They're all dead and gone? No there are more showing up all the time now which was to be expected I suppose. And ever will as there is no "community" left, who is able or even willing to ban the "buddies" who hoard the coins of said scams..... Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: crosby on September 23, 2012, 03:54:48 PM This service does not lend coins. Only takes them
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: VEscudero on September 23, 2012, 04:19:49 PM Hello happy investors,
Check your wallets bleeping, I have just paid out weekly interests and returned back the original deposits to another bunch of depositors. The remainder of these deposits will be returned back with due interests on Sunday 30th. As I already announced I will close this successful operation in order for me to spend more time with my own family and keep on investing in other interesting businesses. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: DeaDTerra on September 23, 2012, 04:32:30 PM Hello happy investors, Thank you very much Vescudero for the investment opportunity you have given me.Check your wallets bleeping, I have just paid out weekly interests and returned back the original deposits to another bunch of depositors. The remainder of these deposits will be returned back with due interests on Sunday 30th. As I already announced I will close this successful operation in order for me to spend more time with my own family and keep on investing in other interesting businesses. It has been a pleasure working with you and you are a brilliant trader :) Deposit+interest received! //DeaDTerra Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: jaspita on September 23, 2012, 05:25:53 PM Hey guys!!!
Deposit + interests received! Nice doing bussinesses with you Thank you Victor! Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: Bitcoin Oz on September 24, 2012, 02:40:39 AM This service does not lend coins. Only takes them This is truer than you can imagine... :-X Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: 1Pakis on September 24, 2012, 05:07:05 AM Deposit and interest returned.
I would like to thank Victor for this investment opportunity, for his professional attitude and for the flawless cooperation. I look forward to do business with him in the future. Thanks again Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: gsan on September 24, 2012, 09:49:05 AM Deposit received back, with interest. Thanks for proving us right, Victor.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: flix on September 27, 2012, 08:37:23 AM Hello happy investors, Check your wallets bleeping, I have just paid out weekly interests and returned back the original deposits to another bunch of depositors. The remainder of these deposits will be returned back with due interests on Sunday 30th. As I already announced I will close this successful operation in order for me to spend more time with my own family and keep on investing in other interesting businesses. I'm staying 'til the end. From what I've seen vescudero is both honest and smart. But I'll let you all know when I get the principal back by the end of the month. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: wachtwoord on September 27, 2012, 12:11:39 PM Hello happy investors, Check your wallets bleeping, I have just paid out weekly interests and returned back the original deposits to another bunch of depositors. The remainder of these deposits will be returned back with due interests on Sunday 30th. As I already announced I will close this successful operation in order for me to spend more time with my own family and keep on investing in other interesting businesses. I'm staying 'til the end. From what I've seen vescudero is both honest and smart. But I'll let you all know when I get the principal back by the end of the month. Me too. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: bitcoinBull on September 27, 2012, 07:23:17 PM Hello happy investors, Check your wallets bleeping, I have just paid out weekly interests and returned back the original deposits to another bunch of depositors. The remainder of these deposits will be returned back with due interests on Sunday 30th. As I already announced I will close this successful operation in order for me to spend more time with my own family and keep on investing in other interesting businesses. I'm staying 'til the end. From what I've seen vescudero is both honest and smart. But I'll let you all know when I get the principal back by the end of the month. Everything we can see about vescudero (but especially the things we cannot), are signs of a ponzi. The only reason for him to return all funds now is to come back a couple of months from now and re-open with huge momentum right from the start. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: mollison on September 27, 2012, 07:37:54 PM Everything we can see about vescudero (but especially the things we cannot), are signs of a ponzi. The only reason for him to return all funds now is to come back a couple of months from now and re-open with huge momentum right from the start. But there is a big piece of evidence in his favor, which is that we know exactly who he is (with pretty high assurance). Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: wachtwoord on September 27, 2012, 08:35:41 PM Indeed. My investment is with him until Sunday because I want it to be.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: mrb on September 28, 2012, 02:55:40 AM Everything we can see about vescudero (but especially the things we cannot), are signs of a ponzi. The only reason for him to return all funds now is to come back a couple of months from now and re-open with huge momentum right from the start. But there is a big piece of evidence in his favor, which is that we know exactly who he is (with pretty high assurance). Pointless argument. Case in point: we knew pirateat40's identity before he defaulted (Trendon Shavers), yet he ran away with his Ponzi profits... ::) Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: memvola on September 28, 2012, 07:36:31 AM But there is a big piece of evidence in his favor, which is that we know exactly who he is (with pretty high assurance). Pointless argument. Case in point: we knew pirateat40's identity before he defaulted (Trendon Shavers), yet he ran away with his Ponzi profits... ::) Depends on a vast number of factors. I would definitely pay a visit to Victor if he turned out to be a scammer. I suppose there are many members of the community who would consider doing this, and there are plenty people who has met him personally. He has willingly disclosed every detail about his person, including where he works. I never doubted his integrity, but I have considered the possibility and how I should act as a part of this community. I don't know why this isn't how it's progressing in the pirate case. Maybe that sort of approach is an American thing, though it has a Britishy feel to it. Maybe that is pointless. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: bitcoinBull on September 28, 2012, 08:20:53 AM I don't know why this isn't how it's progressing in the pirate case. Maybe that sort of approach is an American thing, though it has a Britishy feel to it. Maybe that is pointless. Because pirate is telling his lenders that only those who leave him alone will get their money back (oct 12 at the earliest possible), and they want to believe him. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: nraz on September 28, 2012, 09:04:14 PM Less than 7 hours left for this bet to get closed: http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671
Soon, we'll know if he pays back all the funds lent to him or not. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: memvola on September 28, 2012, 09:26:58 PM Less than 7 hours left for this bet to get closed: http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671 Soon, we'll know if he pays back all the funds lent to him or not. I am a betting man but I didn't get into that. What if there is a power outage and he has to delay for a day? Not taking some slippage into account is a bad idea. In no universe "it was a scam all along but he paid in full a day later anyway" makes any sense. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: 420 on September 29, 2012, 08:39:02 AM Less than 7 hours left for this bet to get closed: http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671 Soon, we'll know if he pays back all the funds lent to him or not. This seems like a puppet account of someone who is sure he will pay back ::) puppet account? like him or friends run bets of bitcoin? Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: Bogart on September 29, 2012, 04:47:43 PM Less than 7 hours left for this bet to get closed: http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671 Soon, we'll know if he pays back all the funds lent to him or not. This seems like a puppet account of someone who is sure he will pay back ::) puppet account? like him or friends run bets of bitcoin? The creator of the bet gets 5% of the losing bets no matter the outcome, so it's in the creator's interest to promote the bet. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: 420 on September 29, 2012, 05:00:03 PM Less than 7 hours left for this bet to get closed: http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671 Soon, we'll know if he pays back all the funds lent to him or not. This seems like a puppet account of someone who is sure he will pay back ::) puppet account? like him or friends run bets of bitcoin? The creator of the bet gets 5% of the losing bets no matter the outcome, so it's in the creator's interest to promote the bet. I don't think so. where does it say that Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: Bogart on September 29, 2012, 05:10:24 PM Less than 7 hours left for this bet to get closed: http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671 Soon, we'll know if he pays back all the funds lent to him or not. This seems like a puppet account of someone who is sure he will pay back ::) puppet account? like him or friends run bets of bitcoin? The creator of the bet gets 5% of the losing bets no matter the outcome, so it's in the creator's interest to promote the bet. I don't think so. where does it say that http://betsofbitco.in/help Click on "How are the losing bets distributed?" Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: 420 on September 29, 2012, 06:29:46 PM Less than 7 hours left for this bet to get closed: http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=671 Soon, we'll know if he pays back all the funds lent to him or not. This seems like a puppet account of someone who is sure he will pay back ::) puppet account? like him or friends run bets of bitcoin? The creator of the bet gets 5% of the losing bets no matter the outcome, so it's in the creator's interest to promote the bet. I don't think so. where does it say that http://betsofbitco.in/help Click on "How are the losing bets distributed?" wow okay. well the OP the guy being bet on didn't want the bet talked about here anyway Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: dust on September 29, 2012, 06:36:04 PM wow okay. well the OP the guy being bet on didn't want the bet talked about here anyway That is exactly what the OP would say if the bet promoter was his sock account. nraz was a new account created specifically to promote this bet, even going as far as PMing members about it, so it is obvious that it is someone's sock, although not necessarily one associated with Vescudero.Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: PsychoticBoy on September 29, 2012, 10:12:23 PM nraz, is the sock puppet of nckrazze.
Greetz Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: nckrazze on September 30, 2012, 05:13:03 AM nraz, is the sock puppet of nckrazze. Greetz da fuck!? Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: 420 on September 30, 2012, 08:17:35 AM nraz, is the sock puppet of nckrazze. Greetz da fuck!? dafuck duck? daffy Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: pyramining on September 30, 2012, 04:33:40 PM I just received my principal + interests. I think Viktor is one of the most serious people here, I want to thank him for all the smooth transactions, I never had any problems with him.
Thank you Viktor, I hope to be able to work with you again in the future. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: johnlu on September 30, 2012, 04:40:12 PM I've just received my interests and principal too.
Thanks for your work Vescudero. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: cst on September 30, 2012, 04:40:30 PM I just received my principal + interests. I think Viktor is one of the most serious people here, I want to thank him for all the smooth transactions, I never had any problems with him. Thank you Viktor, I hope to be able to work with you again in the future. Same here. Thanks Victor. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: Soros Shorts on September 30, 2012, 04:46:10 PM I just received my principal + interests. I think Viktor is one of the most serious people here, I want to thank him for all the smooth transactions, I never had any problems with him. Thank you Viktor, I hope to be able to work with you again in the future. Same here. Thanks Victor. Been nice doing business with Victor. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: der_meister on September 30, 2012, 04:51:10 PM My piggy box is happy to announce that just received both principal deposit and interest earned. Another big thank you, Victor. 8)
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: TheOtherGuy on September 30, 2012, 07:22:00 PM Deposit and interest returned.
Thanks Victor Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: juggalodarkclow on September 30, 2012, 07:26:09 PM Deposit and interest returned. same Thanks Victor Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: Raoul Duke on September 30, 2012, 07:37:33 PM Got my deposit and current week interest returned several hours ago.
Victor is a stand-up businessman, unlike others in this community. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: bigbox on September 30, 2012, 07:57:42 PM Vescudero paid interest on time every week and returned my principal in full. Nice work, Vescudero, and thank you!
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Full capacity] Post by: VEscudero on September 30, 2012, 09:55:24 PM Hello happy investors,
as I previously announced two weeks ago, today I have returned back all the funds you originally deposited with me plus due interests. I would like to thank you all for the trust you kept with me during all this time, especially in difficult times in which there has been a huge amount of drama around all deposit takers because of a several harmful scammers. I just wanted to let you know that despite I have closed out this deposit, I will stand up here providing market liquidity in the bitcoinland, buying for a discount and selling for a fee. I'm afraid that in the near future I will not be as available as I has been during all this time, as my wife and I are waiting for our first baby. This is the primary reason for closing out this deposit, as despite of being a successful operation this have been quite time consuming for me so I will step back to more conventional trading instead. This way I will have more time to spend with my own family. If you ever want to buy or sell bitcoins to a trusted trader or make an escrow operation, you know I will be here ready to help. Thanks, Victor Escudero Title: Re: [CLOSED] ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: 420 on September 30, 2012, 09:57:21 PM Congratulations! Maybe you could provide business hours for your currency trade operation
Title: Re: [CLOSED] ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Elraffa on September 30, 2012, 09:59:26 PM Victor returned principal in full and paid interest. Thank you very much!
Title: Re: [CLOSED] ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Otoh on September 30, 2012, 10:18:55 PM Congratulation to you & your wife Victor, you saved my faith in being able to trust others in the Bitcoin world & have more than made up for the tax that I sometimes pay to do so, just as in real life I prefer this way to becoming totally cynical, you've made a big difference.
Title: Re: [CLOSED] ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: 0xz[.] on October 01, 2012, 12:22:04 AM Received the return on my investment and my interests with VESCUDERO.
Everything was perfect. Very good communication with him. I want to do more business with him. Thanks for everything. Todo perfecto en nuestra relación comercial. Espero en el futuro poder volver a comprarte BTC. Muchas gracias por todo. Title: Re: [CLOSED] ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: mollison on October 01, 2012, 02:47:42 AM Like everyone else, I just want to report that Victor held up his end of the bargain fully. Thanks!
Title: Re: [CLOSED] ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: nimda on October 01, 2012, 02:49:14 AM Like everyone else, I just want to report that Victor held up his end of the bargain fully. Thanks! Post thieving. Title: Re: [CLOSED] ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: puffn on October 01, 2012, 03:01:11 AM Like everyone else, I just want to report that Victor held up his end of the bargain fully. Thanks! Post thieving. Huh? Title: Re: [CLOSED] ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: mollison on October 01, 2012, 05:51:19 AM Like everyone else, I just want to report that Victor held up his end of the bargain fully. Thanks! Post thieving. Huh? +1 Title: Re: [CLOSED] ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: flix on October 01, 2012, 11:50:45 AM Received the return on my investment and my interests with VESCUDERO. Everything was perfect. Very good communication with him. I want to do more business with him. Same here. +1 vescudero. Title: Re: [CLOSED] ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Mushoz on October 01, 2012, 02:19:43 PM Thank you very much for this investment opportunity, Vescudero. Was a pleasure doing business with you. Good luck to you, your wife and your baby ;)
Title: Re: [CLOSED] ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: nimda on October 01, 2012, 02:24:49 PM Like everyone else, I just want to report that Victor held up his end of the bargain fully. Thanks! Post thieving. Huh? +1 Title: Re: [CLOSED] ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: axus on October 01, 2012, 03:24:36 PM I sort of figured pirate would pay back everything before setting up for the REALLY big scam. Congrats on building confidence and making people here some money, and congrats on your family.
Title: Re: [CLOSED] ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: IveBeenBit on October 01, 2012, 04:53:44 PM Victor returned my BTC50 principal + interest in full. This has been a profitable and trouble-free relationship for me. Thanks, Victor!
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Recently closed] Post by: wuala on October 01, 2012, 08:08:29 PM Victor, muchas gracias. He recibido el principal más los intereses. Puntualidad suiza.
Muy recomendable +1 :) Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Recently closed] Post by: nraz on October 01, 2012, 10:08:25 PM So it seems, yesterday vescudero paid out all the funds lent to him with due interests as well.
Is there anyone that did not received his or her initial deposit with due interests? Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Recently closed] Post by: exahash on October 03, 2012, 01:37:33 AM Victor repaid my deposit with interest, as agreed. Thank you Victor.
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Recently closed] Post by: joyyen on October 03, 2012, 02:52:02 AM vescudero is a honest trader
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Recently closed] Post by: asfas16123 on October 03, 2012, 08:10:23 AM Reveived back my deposit + interest as well. Thanks so much
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Recently closed] Post by: wachtwoord on October 03, 2012, 10:59:41 AM Same here. He returned interest and principal on time and as agreed. +1 for Vescudero :)
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Recently closed] Post by: squall1066 on October 03, 2012, 12:37:46 PM I would like to well wish Vescudero, Though I was never in business with him, I followed his actions and was going to be an investor.
I wish you the best with your new family member and I hope in the future you might come back in a similar capacity. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Recently closed] Post by: Micon on October 03, 2012, 11:14:41 PM I would like to go on record in this thread at this time for 2 points:
1) I believe this payback to be in preparation for a larger scam in the future 2) I believe some of the posters that replied that they were paid back in full are sock-puppets of Vescudero. Most of the <100 post count users should be looked at for questionable posting history. I also believe he actually did pay back some real "investors" too. It is easy to lie about the size of his payback - did we get any block-chain verification for this? of course not. I just wanted this on record with a time stamp that Vescudero is 100% a scammer still. He is going for a longer scam. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Recently closed] Post by: Otoh on October 03, 2012, 11:22:58 PM I would like to go on record in this thread at this time for 2 points: 1) I believe this payback to be in preparation for a larger scam in the future 2) I believe some of the posters that replied that they were paid back in full are sock-puppets of Vescudero. Most of the <100 post count users should be looked at for questionable posting history. I also believe he actually did pay back some real "investors" too. It is easy to lie about the size of his payback - did we get any block-chain verification for this? of course not. I just wanted this on record with a time stamp that Vescudero is 100% a scammer still. He is going for a longer scam. My loan of 304 BTC from the 23/6 re-payed in full on 9/9 with that week's interest of 4.56 BTC, tx: https://blockchain.info/address/1CTHZ4Q6voJuTW5u6V89e4F4PGZfJkPbYz Total interest on it received over the term was: 59 BTC + https://blockchain.info/address/1G5apmPvo2iTtmkNWAHTCET7Y842Ufijs8 Viva Victor! Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Recently closed] Post by: zebedee on October 04, 2012, 07:53:00 AM I would like to go on record in this thread at this time for 2 points: Micon - you got one wrong. Deal with it, move on. You've got some right too. No-one bats 100%.1) I believe this payback to be in preparation for a larger scam in the future 2) I believe some of the posters that replied that they were paid back in full are sock-puppets of Vescudero. Most of the <100 post count users should be looked at for questionable posting history. I also believe he actually did pay back some real "investors" too. It is easy to lie about the size of his payback - did we get any block-chain verification for this? of course not. I just wanted this on record with a time stamp that Vescudero is 100% a scammer still. He is going for a longer scam. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Recently closed] Post by: Scott J on October 04, 2012, 02:30:30 PM I would like to go on record in this thread at this time for 2 points: Micon - you got one wrong. Deal with it, move on. You've got some right too. No-one bats 100%.1) I believe this payback to be in preparation for a larger scam in the future 2) I believe some of the posters that replied that they were paid back in full are sock-puppets of Vescudero. Most of the <100 post count users should be looked at for questionable posting history. I also believe he actually did pay back some real "investors" too. It is easy to lie about the size of his payback - did we get any block-chain verification for this? of course not. I just wanted this on record with a time stamp that Vescudero is 100% a scammer still. He is going for a longer scam. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Recently closed] Post by: CharlieContent on October 04, 2012, 02:55:05 PM I would like to go on record in this thread at this time for 2 points: 1) I believe this payback to be in preparation for a larger scam in the future 2) I believe some of the posters that replied that they were paid back in full are sock-puppets of Vescudero. Most of the <100 post count users should be looked at for questionable posting history. I also believe he actually did pay back some real "investors" too. It is easy to lie about the size of his payback - did we get any block-chain verification for this? of course not. I just wanted this on record with a time stamp that Vescudero is 100% a scammer still. He is going for a longer scam. He's definitely doing something Either some of the transactions are fake, or this guy lost a lot of money for the purposes of building up trust. I'm sure there are some legitimate reasons for someone to drop a lot of money to build up trust quickly. Maybe his reputation is going to help him do some fantastic, honest, business deals in future. If you ask me though, there's something fundamentally suspicious about a man who runs a high yield investment program at a loss to himself for the purposes of building trust quickly. It screams "confidence scam" Of course most people here lack the critical faculties to recognize this. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Recently closed] Post by: mollison on October 04, 2012, 09:18:46 PM He's definitely doing something Either some of the transactions are fake, or this guy lost a lot of money for the purposes of building up trust. I'm sure there are some legitimate reasons for someone to drop a lot of money to build up trust quickly. Maybe his reputation is going to help him do some fantastic, honest, business deals in future. If you ask me though, there's something fundamentally suspicious about a man who runs a high yield investment program at a loss to himself for the purposes of building trust quickly. It screams "confidence scam" Of course most people here lack the critical faculties to recognize this. I did a back-of-the-napkin calculation that he spent 898.320 BTC on interest. That's actually on overestimate as I assumed a uniform 2% throughout (did not account for the change to 1.5%), among other things. If you take that as being about USD $9,000 (again, rough calculation), to put things in more familiar terms, you can ask: is that really a big deal? For most people, it's a big deal. But if you are a wealthy person who has money to put into bitcoin, maybe not. He did claim to put money into loans and other projects. So that could offset some of the cost, perhaps. In that vein, if vescudero expected a fall in bitcoin price, he could have been pursuing the following strategy: Step 1: Borrow lots of bitcoin Step 2: Sell it for fiat Step 3: Bitcoin price crashes Step 4: But back bitcoin to pay back depositors Step 5: Profit If the strategy works, you make big money. If the strategy fails, you only lose a fraction of what you stood to gain, i.e. (in this case) around $9,000. Just some random, hopefully interesting thoughts. If people want to continue accusing vescudero of scamming, it would be interesting to look at the list of depositors and see how many no established reputation, small post counts, and/or login patterns that support being socks. (I suspect you will find this data to *not* substantiate scamming accusations, but I don't know for certain. For the record, he currently has a well-deserved positive rating from me on bitcoin-otc.) Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Recently closed] Post by: CharlieContent on October 04, 2012, 09:47:30 PM I did a back-of-the-napkin calculation that he spent 898.320 BTC on interest. That's actually on overestimate as I assumed a uniform 2% throughout (did not account for the change to 1.5%), among other things. If you take that as being about USD $9,000 (again, rough calculation), to put things in more familiar terms, you can ask: is that really a big deal? For most people, it's a big deal. But if you are a wealthy person who has money to put into bitcoin, maybe not. He did claim to put money into loans and other projects. So that could offset some of the cost, perhaps. In that vein, if vescudero expected a fall in bitcoin price, he could have been pursuing the following strategy: Step 1: Borrow lots of bitcoin Step 2: Sell it for fiat Step 3: Bitcoin price crashes Step 4: But back bitcoin to pay back depositors Step 5: Profit If the strategy works, you make big money. If the strategy fails, you only lose a fraction of what you stood to gain, i.e. (in this case) around $9,000. Just some random, hopefully interesting thoughts. If people want to continue accusing vescudero of scamming, it would be interesting to look at the list of depositors and see how many no established reputation, small post counts, and/or login patterns that support being socks. (I suspect you will find this data to *not* substantiate scamming accusations, but I don't know for certain. For the record, he currently has a well-deserved positive rating from me on bitcoin-otc.) That is an interesting thought and an interesting gamble. He could well have been doing that. Equally he could have bought the trust of the community for the low price of $9k in order to abscond with a much larger sum later on. I am not calling him a scammer by any means, it's clear to see that he hasn't scammed anyone with this scheme. I am just saying that running a very high interest deposit scheme like this is suspicious as hell, and the fact that he paid everyone back at the end doesn't make it suddenly beyond suspicion. Title: Re: [CLOSED] ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Micon on October 04, 2012, 10:08:12 PM [ all from page 18 ]
Victor returned principal in full and paid interest. Thank you very much! 13 posts Received the return on my investment and my interests with VESCUDERO. Everything was perfect. Very good communication with him. I want to do more business with him. Thanks for everything. Todo perfecto en nuestra relación comercial. Espero en el futuro poder volver a comprarte BTC. Muchas gracias por todo. 23 posts I sort of figured pirate would pay back everything before setting up for the REALLY big scam. Congrats on building confidence and making people here some money, and congrats on your family. 39 posts Victor, muchas gracias. He recibido el principal más los intereses. Puntualidad suiza. Muy recomendable +1 :) 21 posts vescudero is a honest trader 47 posts Reveived back my deposit + interest as well. Thanks so much 41 posts Think all of these are real users with real investment? Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Recently closed] Post by: wachtwoord on October 04, 2012, 10:29:49 PM Your the kid no one wants around but you need to hang with because his parents called your parents aren't you?
Title: Re: [CLOSED] ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Shadow383 on October 05, 2012, 01:03:14 AM *more accusations* There's a full list of users with deposits on page 1 - there are a lot of fairly big users in there. Can't you just settle for the fact that you were wrong about this one for once? Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Recently closed] Post by: StrictlyBusiness on October 05, 2012, 01:08:41 AM Deposit plus interest paid. Will do business again
Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Recently closed] Post by: CharlieContent on October 05, 2012, 01:22:21 AM Your the kid no one wants around but you need to hang with because his parents called your parents aren't you? What are you, a fucking idiot? Maybe if you had listened to this guy you wouldn't have lost so much money in ponzi schemes. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Recently closed] Post by: Ponies on October 05, 2012, 04:19:28 AM I don't think victor needs to use a bunch of shill accounts. There are clearly more than enough morons on this forum to deposit into any scam that shows up.
He could be going for a bigger scam He could have run a successful ponzi pass thru by depositing and getting out in time He could just be taking everyones money and betting it on satoshi dice and got lucky The fact that he paid out does not make this a good investment. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Recently closed] Post by: memvola on October 05, 2012, 08:37:28 AM Your the kid no one wants around but you need to hang with because his parents called your parents aren't you? What are you, a fucking idiot? Maybe if you had listened to this guy you wouldn't have lost so much money in ponzi schemes. You are right that fixed interest schemes should automatically be suspected. But Victor's program was well within the acceptable range. The problem is, the community went a bit too euphoric and suffered for it. This is the same pattern with the 2011 crash. Micon's mania is also analogous to the same problem. He's now onto defaming "supposed" newbies, some of which have been members of this forum a year longer than vescudero. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Recently closed] Post by: Puppet on October 05, 2012, 09:18:22 AM I don't think victor needs to use a bunch of shill accounts. There are clearly more than enough morons on this forum to deposit into any scam that shows up. He could be going for a bigger scam He could have run a successful ponzi pass thru by depositing and getting out in time He could just be taking everyones money and betting it on satoshi dice and got lucky The fact that he paid out does not make this a good investment. +1 Assuming the list in the OP is correct, it seems viktor paid out 400-450 BTC in interest. Thats substantial, but not a huge amount to invest in your credibility if you plan on doing another Pirate. The OP might give a clue here: "Why do I offer such a high interest for my 100% guaranteed deposit? I am interested in slowly building my reputation here as a bitcoin trader". Weird reason if you ask me. My prediction: within a month viktor will start another round, with lower interest rates, perhaps even without guarantee. And he will have no problems collecting far far more than 450 BTC. Title: Re: [CLOSED] ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: mrb on October 05, 2012, 10:41:30 AM *more accusations* There's a full list of users with deposits on page 1 - there are a lot of fairly big users in there. Can't you just settle for the fact that you were wrong about this one for once? May I remind you that pirateat40 also had stellar reputation over multiple months before his theft. He also had fairly big depositors. He also had supporters, people just like you, ardently arguing that pirateat40 always paid, and that, therefore, there is no way he was going to turn out to be a fraudster. The rest is history. My guess is, based on your broken logic, you would have supported pirateat40 as well at the time, am I right? Think about that very deeply. And try to understand why your logic is broken. Bottom line, there is no free money. 1.5% weekly == 117% yearly. There is almost no way Vescudero is legit, especially when his operations match almost all the Ponzi red flags established by the US SEC, which I keep quoting again and again: http://www.sec.gov/answers/ponzi.htm I was right about pirateat40. I will be right about Vescudero again. Gullible investors will continue to lose their coins :( Title: Re: [CLOSED] ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: OneEyed on October 05, 2012, 11:19:47 AM Bottom line, there is no free money. 1.5% weekly == 117% yearly. There is almost no way Vescudero is legit, especially when his operations match almost all the Ponzi red flags established by the US SEC, which I keep quoting again and again: http://www.sec.gov/answers/ponzi.htm You forgot a few things: first of all, the interests were not compounding, so this is not 1.5% weekly => 117% yearly, but 1.5% weekly => 78% early. Moreover, it ran for what, 10 weeks? So it means 20% max if it had been at 2% all along (which is not the case). This would mean a maximum investment of 748 BTC if Victor had to pay everything out of his pocket and everyone had kept their investment for the maximum time at a rate of 2%, or 655 BTC at a average rate of 1.75%. That's not really a big deal, and in reality the interests were probably lower than that (the detailed computation can be performed from the published data). When he started doing this, it was easy to loan money at 3% a week, and get it back. Assuming Victor did this, I guess he started to build a reserve with the extra interests he got. When the other people rate went down, Victor promised interest rates also went from 2% to 1.5%. He probably had difficulties when others started to fail. He may even have had to compensate some defaults by buying more bitcoins himself. He wanted, as he announced it, to establish himself as someone that could be trusted. So far, he took upon himself to give everybody their money back with the promised interests, even if he probably endured a loss by doing so. Moreover, you also forget that Victor gave his personal information, verified by several people, along with pictures, including at public events, we know where it works, I think Micon had it checked by a friend of his from his employer internal directory, so yes, this increases the confidence. If Victor was to start a venture in the bitcoin world, I now think more people would trust him than before, because he stood by his word, with not a single deviation from the beginning, although a good part of the bitcoin world broke loose at the same time. I certainly would trust him more than before. Maybe I'm gullible, but what kind of guarantee would satisfy you? Everyone is a *potential* scammer. Heck, I may even have dealt with people on #bitcoin-otc and used my real and public identity to do that to instill confidence, but nobody (not even me) can predict what the future will be made of! Even the most trusted person can become crazy. What you need if you want to ensure you will not be scammed is regulations (k out of n signatures for example), because you can never know what a person will do next, even if you think you can guess so. Title: Re: [CLOSED] ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: memvola on October 05, 2012, 11:32:15 AM *more accusations* There's a full list of users with deposits on page 1 - there are a lot of fairly big users in there.Can't you just settle for the fact that you were wrong about this one for once? If I recall correctly, Shadow383 was one of the most vocal people against pirate. Since there are so many people that are certain of vescudero's nefarious intentions, I think we need a new bet. How should the wording be to make sure you don't skip because of technicalities? Scammer label till mid 2013? A new scheme and then default till mid 2013? Longer? Title: Re: [CLOSED] ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: CharlieContent on October 05, 2012, 03:13:58 PM You forgot a few things: first of all, the interests were not compounding, so this is not 1.5% weekly => 117% yearly, but 1.5% weekly => 78% Wow, you're right. That's much more reasonable. It must be totally above board with that kind of rate. Maybe I'm gullible Um gee, ya think? Title: Re: [CLOSED] ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ Post by: Shadow383 on October 05, 2012, 04:16:47 PM My guess is, based on your broken logic, you would have supported pirateat40 as well at the time, am I right? Think about that very deeply. And try to understand why your logic is broken. Nope. This guy had it right: If I recall correctly, Shadow383 was one of the most vocal people against pirate. I actually didn't have any coin with Victor at all as I was suspicious that it would turn out to be a scam, or that he had hidden ponzi exposure as Patrick did and would wind up insolvent in the same way. However, the guy has paid back every investor in full. If he shortly launches another larger deposit scheme let's judge that one then. For now though, there's no reason to believe that he's going to do so. If you're going to go around targeting scammers, check out the bullshit RustyRyan's trying to pull :D Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Recently closed] Post by: johnlu on October 05, 2012, 05:13:15 PM I'm sick of all of these guys talking about a scam that didn't take place and about a hipothetycal case when somebody would do a new scam in future based on his well gained reputation thanks to this succeeded bussiness.
I need to tell you something, this is over. This thread is not needed anymore. I'm unwatching this thread. Title: Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ [Recently closed] Post by: VEscudero on October 17, 2012, 10:51:44 PM Now it's time to close this thread.
As I previously announced, in the next months I will focus my attention on conventional trading, providing liquidity to the bitcoin market. I will be buying bitcoins at a discount rate and selling them for a small fee. I encourage you to follow this trading activites in this new thread in the currency exchange section (http://bit.ly/BTrade). |
