Update: silverbox's long GPL: -17% (let's see a screenshot silverbox!) cypher's GG short:  Bitcoin: +148 Gold: 0% Difference: +148% advantage Bitcoin (destroying gold and silver) silverbox, i'll never forget when Bitcoin went from $5.40 to $4.50 and you were thrilled to see that just so you could whoop it up that i was wrong despite everyone else's disappointment in the price drop. I'll never forget when you bet me 10 BTC that AAPL would drop to 500 in 2 months and lost. (Thanks for the 10 BTC) I'll also never forget when you said that you were putting on a massive short in GLD at 152 and to put this on the record!, then promtly lost your ass and had to cover. Why did you cover if your certain gold is about to deflate? Lets see you disclosing your positions on the day you start them, not cherry picking the winners (like you did with your GLD short, which you lost money on) I'll also never forget how you crow about selling silver at the peak, but you neglect to mention that you bought into BTC at 20+ with those funds and it promptly crashed to 2. this is a forum for christs sake. ppl post their opinions on where they think this or that investment is gonna go all the time with collapse or rocket descriptions. who do you think you are coming in here and laying down "ground rules" for everyone's opinions as to what they think is gonna happen with this or that? i don't see you asking for "evidence" as to exactly when other ppl stake their positions. what's wrong with you? is it perhaps that you're suffering from the permabull gold/silver religion that has afflicted so many? are you afraid that they are reallly going to collapse? i truly do see this as a possibility and you should respect my opinion just as i respect yours even though we disagree. give me a 6 mo projection as to where gold and silver are going. you asked me for transparency and i provided it in the form of a screenshot that i've posted on my GG position for all to see. you know its valid as i announced it publicly here on this thread in Sept and in my updates to my subs. you even questioned me about it at the time. there is a date of 9/28/12 when i staked the position and you whooped it up assuming i established it before it went over $46. so why do you have the audacity to claim i did a mockup based on exactly zero evidence? so Mr. Transparency, where is your screenshot of GPL? is it that the losses are way greater than 17%? as you can see i'm a patient man with my investments and do not let emotions get involved in my trading. many of my short positions on stocks, like Apple, were established initially back in the Spring. waiting has been profitable. you're clearly an impatient individual. tops and bottoms are processes and the whole point of technical analysis is to call things before they happen to allow time for investors to prepare. the analogy would be if you worked in the Twin Towers. would you want to be warned a few days before or after the planes hit the buildings? here's where i got short initially. yes, rode the thing down and then up. hedging along the way has protected part of the profits. hit some major homeruns along the way with PCLN, CMG, BBBY, WU, and now Apple. i don't consider that a failure at all. in fact, i'm having a great year by my measures. a collapse is a collapse whether it slow or fast. i'll take my shorts down if i'm proven wrong but not until then. and yes, Bitcoin is destroying your precious gold and silver and GPL:  You don't state things as an opinion you state them as a fact. Fact is we haven't had a collapse in gold/silver/DOW in the last 9 months. Which 9 months ago I said we wouldn't, you said we would. Who was right?  My projection for gold/silver over the next 6 months is that they will remain uncollapsed. I think that it may downtrend slightly while the fiscal cliff is worked out and probably rise after that. I don't think you did a mockup, I said you were cherrypicking and a screenshot could be easily falsified, I don't think you modified it, I just think you cherry picked your best trade to make your point. Why don't you list your worst trade over the same time period? So your techincal analysis led you to state that gold was about to collapse 9 months ago, yet its trading at exactly the same price it was 9 months ago, awesome call.. You put a short on that in your words was massive in GLD and covered at a loss, if your technical analysis was so accurate why in the world did you cover?? You should be riding it out, your a patient man right? Uh I'm a BTC bull, I'm invested in BTC, when BTC goes up, I make money.. So BTC killing it, is great for me, not sure why you think it isn't?? |
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Update: silverbox's long GPL: -17% (let's see a screenshot silverbox!) cypher's GG short: Bitcoin: +148 Gold: 0% Difference: +148% advantage Bitcoin (destroying gold and silver) silverbox, i'll never forget when Bitcoin went from $5.40 to $4.50 and you were thrilled to see that just so you could whoop it up that i was wrong despite everyone else's disappointment in the price drop. I'll never forget when you bet me 10 BTC that AAPL would drop to 500 in 2 months and lost. (Thanks for the 10 BTC) I'll also never forget when you said that you were putting on a massive short in GLD at 152 and to put this on the record!, then promtly lost your ass and had to cover. Why did you cover if your certain gold is about to deflate? Lets see you disclosing your positions on the day you start them, not cherry picking the winners (like you did with your GLD short, which you lost money on) I'll also never forget how you crow about selling silver at the peak, but you neglect to mention that you bought into BTC at 20+ with those funds and it promptly crashed to 2. |
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Yup for the last year or so Cypher has been saying that gold and the stock market are about to implode and collapse due to deflation. I've been saying that it isn't.. Whose been right so far??  A broken old school analog clock is right twice a day.. Eventually the market will go down and Cypher will point to it and say see I was right!! I'll say Cypher was right when we have $800 dollar gold (his target is 400) and the Dow drops to 7000 or so. Till then we haven't had the massive collapse he claims is coming. Oh and btw, a collapse is sudden, like 6 months or less. So Cypher was wrong 12 months ago when he said we were about to collapse, yet he persists in saying that its about to happen, mhmm. this thread started in March. 12 months? we got a big dip into June with a bounce. we are now lower than we were in stocks when this thread started. btw, how wrong have you been with your gold stocks? massively wrong. and we have the data to prove it. and the other miners you bought in 2011 have to be way down as well. i know my accounts are way up in Bitcoin and stocks. and that's having been on the short side for stocks. nice try. Oh you two.... But in all seriousness any of you has balls to show trade logs?  well i just showed you a screenshot of my GG short a page or so back. why doesn't silverbox show us a screenshot of his for GPL? lol I publicly stated that I bought at 1.98, on a day when it was in fact 1.98. I can edit up a screenshot to show anything about the past. Your screenshot doesn't mean anything. If your going to make a call, state it at the time of initiating the position, not months after the fact. The only time in this thread you made a call you lost on it. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68655.msg991631;topicseen#msg991631Right here, you stated you shorted GLD at 152.17. Later you stated that you covered, at a LOSS. This is the only trade you've disclosed on this thread with concrete numbers at the TIME YOU MADE IT, not after the fact. The only trade I've disclosed at the time I made it, was to purchase GPL @ 1.98 and yes I'm losing money on it, I have traded around a core position, so I'm not losing as much as it would seem based on today's close of 1.65, however just to make the math simple count my initial position as 1.98. It's been as high as 2.40 or so since I bought at 1.98. Its a very small volatile silver miner it goes up and down 5-10% a day all the time. its really tough to argue with a guy that throws around figures and accusations so loosely like saying i said stocks would collapse 12 mo ago. that was Dec 2011. i was in fact bullish on stocks at that time. this is from my blog back then. read thru all the posts in Dec 2011: http://financialriskanalytics.weebly.com/1/previous/15.htmlits laughable that you would make a claim that the only public trade i've made on this thread is one i lost on. its clear you've made it your mission to try and make me look bad with your insulting behavior. i'm constantly having to provide proof to you of what i've said and when. it's tiring. here's the thing. i continually present reasoned economic arguments about what i think is going on. this thread would not be so popular if i at the very least wasn't stimulating everyone to think about the world a little differently. i present charts and figures and attempt to explain the logic and reasoning behind them. i present links to articles i deem important for everyone to be aware of. i try to share my experiences and insights that others on this forum might not have had the chance to go thru. i present anecdotes and trends and data. i back alot of my claims to links of posts i've made other places on this forum. i even share a screenshot of my GG short that is clearly not mocked up (yet you insinuate i would have the gall to do that). what do you contribute? answer: nothing. you're just a troll who loves to criticize, insinuate, and accuse ppl of dishonesty. go away from this thread or put me on ignore. Yup nothing. Cept to call out your BS about how everything is about to collapse. If you wouldn't make such ridiculous calls, that don't come true, then act as if they had, I wouldn't have to post here to state how your wrong, everything isn't about to collapse, were not about to have massive deflation, just like we weren't in march when you started this thread and I called BS then, just like I am now. |
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Yup for the last year or so Cypher has been saying that gold and the stock market are about to implode and collapse due to deflation. I've been saying that it isn't.. Whose been right so far?? A broken old school analog clock is right twice a day.. Eventually the market will go down and Cypher will point to it and say see I was right!! I'll say Cypher was right when we have $800 dollar gold (his target is 400) and the Dow drops to 7000 or so. Till then we haven't had the massive collapse he claims is coming. Oh and btw, a collapse is sudden, like 6 months or less. So Cypher was wrong 12 months ago when he said we were about to collapse, yet he persists in saying that its about to happen, mhmm. this thread started in March. 12 months? we got a big dip into June with a bounce. we are now lower than we were in stocks when this thread started. btw, how wrong have you been with your gold stocks? massively wrong. and we have the data to prove it. and the other miners you bought in 2011 have to be way down as well. i know my accounts are way up in Bitcoin and stocks. and that's having been on the short side for stocks. nice try. Oh you two.... But in all seriousness any of you has balls to show trade logs? well i just showed you a screenshot of my GG short a page or so back. why doesn't silverbox show us a screenshot of his for GPL? lol I publicly stated that I bought at 1.98, on a day when it was in fact 1.98. I can edit up a screenshot to show anything about the past. Your screenshot doesn't mean anything. If your going to make a call, state it at the time of initiating the position, not months after the fact. The only time in this thread you made a call you lost on it. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68655.msg991631;topicseen#msg991631Right here, you stated you shorted GLD at 152.17. Later you stated that you covered, at a LOSS. This is the only trade you've disclosed on this thread with concrete numbers at the TIME YOU MADE IT, not after the fact. The only trade I've disclosed at the time I made it, was to purchase GPL @ 1.98 and yes I'm losing money on it, I have traded around a core position, so I'm not losing as much as it would seem based on today's close of 1.65, however just to make the math simple count my initial position as 1.98. It's been as high as 2.40 or so since I bought at 1.98. Its a very small volatile silver miner it goes up and down 5-10% a day all the time. |
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 cypherdoc's blowing little penguin's minds across the globe  so its not inflation that will deliver the final blow but deflation? deflation sounds good, everything gets cheaper, whats the problem? Yup for the last year or so Cypher has been saying that gold and the stock market are about to implode and collapse due to deflation. I've been saying that it isn't.. Whose been right so far?? A broken old school analog clock is right twice a day.. Eventually the market will go down and Cypher will point to it and say see I was right!! I'll say Cypher was right when we have $800 dollar gold (his target is 400) and the Dow drops to 7000 or so. Till then we haven't had the massive collapse he claims is coming. Oh and btw, a collapse is sudden, like 6 months or less. So Cypher was wrong 12 months ago when he said we were about to collapse, yet he persists in saying that its about to happen, mhmm. |
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One thing that is so exciting about Bitcoin is its censorship resistant properties. The main problem from the State's interference in money and currency is its massive interference in the pricing mechanism. With a censorship resistant currency the economy will be able price much more efficiently by being able to route around the State imposed damage from monetary and financial regulation. This will allow economic calculation to happen on a scale never before seen in human history and is extremely bullish for the generation and creation of wealth on a ginormous scale. Yes, I like to point out that bitcoin is the first monetary system humanity has ever created that *credibly* offers perfect information to all participants. It'll be interesting to see what the ramifications of this turn out to be. precisely. and what we have now is price obscurity and imperfect information promulgated by investment banks on a huge scale. look at their resistance to moving derivatives to an exchange away from the OTC market. look at the Libor scandal. what were CDO's all about? and on and on and on... all this to inflate prices. and what has been used to pay for those inflated securities? debt. why do you think Ben and the ECB are desperately trying to prevent Greece et al from defaulting? b/c it would blow a hole in the asset side of the balance sheets of the Northern European banks. its all about the debt. and debt is the main component of the money supply; by far. Ben can't piss fast enough to fill the actively flushing toilet of debt defaults. and all i hear you guys talk about is the minuscule part of the equation; money printing. which quite frankly isn't occurring on that wide of a scale. big whoop; $800 billion to 2.8 trillion of FRN's. that's nothing compared to the magnitude of the debt contraction happening right now. The massive debt you always talk about is built on the money supply leveraged to the umpteenth. You don't think that new money Ben is printing isn't immediately leveraged that same way the old money was?? It starts out as a few billion that Ben pumps in every day, but then after the Wall street boys get done leveraging it, it offsets those huge numbers you like to talk about |
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plumbing new lows:  I'm not all back in yet, buying oppurtunity, it dips much more and I'll buy back in to where I was. you keep saying that. give us a target. 1.25-1.50 I'll buy all back in. |
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plumbing new lows: I'm not all back in yet, buying oppurtunity, it dips much more and I'll buy back in to where I was. |
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Gold: +1%, really?  +1% from the start of this thread, when gold was 1690, when Cypher said a collapse in gold was imminent!! Almost a year later, gold remains uncollapsed |
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Update: Bitcoin: +135% Gold: +1% Difference: +134% advantage Bitcoin! GPL: -16% silverbox long GG: +17% cypherdoc short Here we go again.. Where did you post your initial position in GG?? hmm?? I can pick some random thing and say that I opened a position in the past and that I'm showing a profit as well.... The only thing that you concretely stated when you opened the position and then stated when you closed you LOST money on.. |
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I got a semi when I read this. |
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Dashed Dreams:  I'm still not all back in, buying oppurtunity |
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It seems to be working fine today.
If the grinder is the USD, not so much; it's gone negative today! Silver is almost back to even, gold is doing its usual grind up after a knock-down... That's just like Bitcoin's price behavior. Speaking of - Happy Great Halving!Woot, the beauty of BTC ( and PM's), we print less while fiat prints more |
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Bitcoin is great, but I've got other things planned for the apocalypse. It mostly involves driving across the desert shooting guns in makeshift 4x4s.
Word!  |
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silverbox of JTME also ran it would seem, although he has much smaller liabilities.
I didn't run?? JTME has been shut down per the contract, when I receive a list from Nefario, I'll payout per the contract. BTW where is JTME's PPS payments for the last 3 days we mined with you??? Hmmm??? I held onto a day and a bit's worth because you locked the thread and disappeared, protecting my interests as a shareholder If you plan on paying out then great, I'll pay you for those shares when JTME starts paying  Uh huh. The pot calling the kettle black here.. You kept funds that were owed from your pool to JTME, I don't care how you justify it, those shares were sent to your pool and you didn't pay for them. If anyone is in the wrong here its you, yet you have the temerity to say I ran off... |
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silverbox of JTME also ran it would seem, although he has much smaller liabilities.
I didn't run?? JTME has been shut down per the contract, when I receive a list from Nefario, I'll payout per the contract. BTW where is JTME's PPS payments for the last 3 days we mined with you??? Hmmm??? |
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That damn gold is collapsing upwards again!! |
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GPL and gold did pretty swell today.
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Guess what's rallying while something else is dropping? I think that, based on this one-day move, I'll start a thread titled: "Dollar failing, gold UP" |
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