I Love BTC, but any honest look has to reveal that the transactions take WAY to long.
Transactions average 1.4 seconds from anywhere to anywhere. Transaction clearing is what blocks are doing. Transaction clearance for credit cards take between 30 and 45 days. Did Satoshi ever comment on why he used ~10 minutes per block and/or did he consider a much lower number?
Yes he did. He chose the 10 minute interval because it was a long enough period to prevent orphaned blocks, most of the time, due to more than one node discovering a block solution within the time period it takes to propagate a block from one edge of the network to the other. He was assuming that, in a future that Bitcoin was wildly successful, blocks would be very large data sets and the p2p network would be very large; both contributing to network delays that might extend the time for a block to propogate from edge to edge for up to a whole minute. Therefore, in order to limit the risk of orphaned blocks (and the blockchain splits that often accompany them) the target interval had to be several times longer than the worst case scenario for block propogation delays. He also wanted the interval to fit neatly into human time cycles for our mental convience. He could have done a 6 min block interval, for 10 per hour, but he was concerned that wouldn't be enough. His fears seem correct, because even with the 10 minute interval we average about 1.5% of blocks released onto the network are orphaned. A 6 minute interval would make that much worse, and 2 minute interval would make that rate simply awful.
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I think that it can work for some period of time but it can't last long so Anarchy won't actually work as the power must belong to one man or a small group of people otherwise it looses power losses it's attraction
You didn't bother to read the links, did you?
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Impressive stuff, thanks. So, there's the answer and unsurprisingly its an obvious one, law by mutual agreement. It shouldn't be too hard to implement with online identities (in development within Bitcoin) and a p2p voting platform. Yea thats right but i think a more useful way to think about it is as law through bargaining. Everyone cant have everything they want so they just bargain it out, one party gives up something he wants in one aspect in return for getting his way on something else that the other person does not want. They could always resort to violence if they REALLY wanted to but violence is expensive not only in the act of the physical confrontation its self but to your reputation also. You see this sort of bargaining a lot in politics because politicians do not have a higher authority to appeal to inorder to solve their problems for them. (before you go ew what a terrible example i should point out that the reason it tends to lead to such bad results in that case is because they are bargaining with other peoples lives and property instead of their own so i think it still serves as a useful example and we can imagine it would be much different if they were infact bargaining with their own lives and property) *edit* it should be noted that it would be impractical for everyone to bargain with everyone so if you want to be super specific what we are talking about is collective bargaining. This method of organizing societies is called a "phyle" and was well described in a science fiction book I read years ago called "The Diamond Age".
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Looking at BitcoinWatch.com and Bitcoinaverage.com regularly since the collapse of MtGox, I've come to question whether or not their reported trade volume was even real towards the end, or if they had done something underhanded to prop up their status as the 'premier' bitcoin currency exchange. If so, for how long has this been going on? I have long suspected that the role of speculation within the bitcoin economy isn't nearly as significant as it appeared, but now I suspect that it wasn't even real for some time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8vCj4DOsHcThat's 3 minutes of my lifespan I can never get back. Please explain. Like, it's terrible or what? Just stupid.
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Well, I asked about the decimal point, because Bitcoin technically doesn't even have one. Satoshi decided to have the client display the wallet's total value to the user, with a decimal point exactly in the middle of the 64 bit integer (32 bits to the left, 32 bits to the right) but in the protocol all value is in satoshis. Hindsight being 20/20, there is much merit in not matching that decision. Perhaps having a coinbase reward that starts with 1776 of the atomic unit, and having the client display the decimal point to the hundredths, is a fair idea regarding a cryptocurrency that is designed without a maximum monetary base limit like Bitcoin. This would grant much room for growth in the issued currency before the overflow of the value variable became a threat, as it would take centuries with a 64 bit integer.
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Looking at BitcoinWatch.com and Bitcoinaverage.com regularly since the collapse of MtGox, I've come to question whether or not their reported trade volume was even real towards the end, or if they had done something underhanded to prop up their status as the 'premier' bitcoin currency exchange. If so, for how long has this been going on? I have long suspected that the role of speculation within the bitcoin economy isn't nearly as significant as it appeared, but now I suspect that it wasn't even real for some time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8vCj4DOsHcThat's 3 minutes of my lifespan I can never get back.
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I am fascinated by the project and have been following it for a little while now. But one thing I am unclear about is the extent to which implementation would require changes to the core protocol. Can you summarise for a non technical person such as myself? Would CC implementation require (in practise) the cooperation of the core developers ? Best regards David
In practice, yes. But only because common clients would have to be aware of colored coins that end up in their wallet, so that they didn't arbitrarily send them out in payment for a candy bar. As I understand it, however, the colored coins proposal would require an external database to manage the titles & ties to particular coins.
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Looking at BitcoinWatch.com and Bitcoinaverage.com regularly since the collapse of MtGox, I've come to question whether or not their reported trade volume was even real towards the end, or if they had done something underhanded to prop up their status as the 'premier' bitcoin currency exchange. If so, for how long has this been going on? I have long suspected that the role of speculation within the bitcoin economy isn't nearly as significant as it appeared, but now I suspect that it wasn't even real for some time.
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Perhaps we can improve the security of an android based client by requiring the presence of an external device. For example, a simple hardware wallet that keeps only the private keys, and communicates with the phone wallet via bluetooth; so that a thief would have to have both devices and the passcode to the hardware wallet device in order to steal the bitcoins on the phone (assuming the thief is capable of hacking past an android client passcode). For a little less cost, and a little less security, a simple bluetooth dongle that the android client must ping before signing any transaction would be an improvement. Particularly if the bluetooth dongle were some small, & unobtrusive device commonly found elsewhere on a user; like a ring or necklace, that a snatch-grab cell phone thief is unlikely to aquire in conjunction with the cell phone. This still wouldn't protect the user from all threats, such as tire-iron negotiations.
There are some high tech forms of firearms that utilize the latter trick to electronicly identify the owner of the firearm, and prevent firing of the weapon if the identity ring is not within a few feet of the weapon.
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So the coinbase reward will halve every four years, but (in effect) double roughly every 27 years?
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What is the significance of starting the coinbase at 17.76? It's obviously not arbitrary. Also, is your decimal place going to be in the same place that Satoshi placed his? That was an arbitrary choice on his part, and may not be what you wish to do.
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Upon further reflection (beyond our PM conversation) I think that a 5 day coinbase adjustment period might be too quick because it would significantly increase the odds that a blockchain split & realignment would occur during a coinbase change, and therefore result in greater numbers of orphaned blocks as a consequence of a miner releasing a block with the incorrect coinbase reward. Furthermore, Bitcoin currently readjusts the difficulty target every 1024 blocks, or roughly every 2 weeks. Perhaps this point would be a better shortened coinbase cycle as well?
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What's wrong with just using our smartphones? It serves the function fine, what would a hardware wallet do differently?
I personally don't see a need or market for it.
The fact that they trace you 24x7? The fact that these things get hacked all the time? I would not carry a hardware wallet with me if it has the ability to connect to the cellular network and there is absolutely fucking no way I will store more than chumpchange on a mobile phone. These fucking things don't even do a proper full system encryption!!! Is it even necessary to have internet connection for the PAYOR? Paper wallets don't. Couldn't it work such that a merchant has a device that does all the work? AFAIK hardware wallets don't store the blockchain so why do they need internet access? And for p2p payments, a simple infrared transmission, like air gap wallets work? Pardon me if I write nonsense Don't most smartphone's nowadays have QR scanners and NFC on it? You could just shutoff mobile network and wifi if you're that paranoid. I've literally done this. Useful android pohones without services are cheap on ebay, if all you need is to occasionally start up the wifi radio to upgrade or connect. Getting the wallet app installed without the service (whihcis required for Google Play) is no small feat though.
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This is a really old thread. Strangely, the best ideas here still aren't implimented for most clients.
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Decentralized exchange won't help you. Because your IP address is still visible to the government, and Tor+VPN can't help you.
Documents released by, and interviews with, Ed Snowden strongly imply that Tor and/or VPNs can, in fact, help quite a bit.
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So the question is at what point is Bitcoin fully adopted?
I don't think that this is an answerable question. Most people in the world don't give a rats ass about our idealistic goals with decentralized crypto-currency.
They would prefer to use Paypal or a credit card.
So Bitcoin will only continue going up if:
1. More investors drink the Koolaid.
2. There is some compelling mainstream use of Bitcoin that we haven't seen yet.
I know of several off the top of my head, that were not only alluded to in the white paper, but not implimented in a single alt-coin that I've seen yet. So it is quite easy to displace Bitcoin, simply invent an altcoin that has some very important use which Bitcoin can't do, and which many people need desperately.
I know what that is.
So goodbye to you. Enjoy your myopia.
There is no feature, compelling or otherwise, that Bitcoin can't replicate. The only question is whether or not the userbase considers your 'killer feature' as highly as you do. If they do, then Bitcoin will steal your idea. I'm still waiting for your grand announcement, BTW, and I'll be the first to point out if there is prior art within the bitcoin ecosystem.
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Thanks MoonShadow. I wanted to say something similar but was too mentally exhausted yesterday. Also there were no citations in that paper.
Zarathustra has some need to believe that. No matter how bad any coming crisis might or might not be, we will not lose the technology that is in our minds. For example I will not forget everything I know about computer science, even if society burns all the books.
I forgot to mention that the Apache were, once upon a time, a matriarchal society; at least by Zarathustra's definition of same. (I would consider them to be a decentralized society, without a 'patriarchal' preference) History doesn't exactly describe the Apache as a peaceful lot. They gave the Spanish hell for centuries before the Americans entered into their region.
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Zarathustra's solution to the power vacuum of collectivism is to tell us to go back to being cavemen.
But what he doesn't acknowledge is cavemen still bludgeoned each other to death with cruder weapons.
No. Paleolithic (pre-patriarchal) anarchy was an epoche without warfare. http://gerhardbott.de/das-buch/summary-in-english.htmlRead it carefully. You don't really believe that crap, do you? Conflict is a natural state of mankind, it's peace that requires the extra effort of education and negotiation; or in other words, civilization.
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