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821  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 11:38:43 PM

Edit: You didn't kill any of my posts for some reason?  Would be the first time, and i really doubted, but read Rassah comment (boldface in post)https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=210802.msg2535496#msg2535496
not urgent, just odd.

Actually, I did kill one post in this thread earlier today, and it might have been yours.  Can't remember for certain.  So let's say I did it.
822  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 11:36:56 PM
It's at least as likely that exposure to libertarian thought causes significant cognative dissonance in those who don't understand the philosophy, including yourself.  Sometimes I actually try to soften the blow for some of you guys, because I feel sorry for you; it must hurt sometimes.  Other times I don't feel any such pity, because stupidity should hurt somewhat.
You don't see yourself as The Punisher, do you? (kindergarten rules still apply:  Be nice if you want others to be)

The Punisher?  No.  I've literally never banned anyone on this forum, at least not personally.  It's never come to that for me.  The problem that I have is that the only tool I have is a nuke-ban, which is such an over the top action that it seems entirely disproportionate to the kinds of offenses that I generally see.  If I had a more intermediate action that I could take, such as a term limited posting ban, I'd use that I expect; but AFAIK only Theymos has such fine control of punishments.  I have, however, pulled Theymos into conflicts wherein I felt that a response was required, but a full nuke-ban was overkill.  He really doesn't like playing judge, though, and I can't say as I blame him.

I don't either.  One thing i never understood about net culture is all the people wanting to be mods, chan ops, wikipeedocrats.  That "are mods getting paid" thread made me think the opposite:  you mean people would do it for free?! Shocked

Heh.  Well that 'paid mods' thing is fairly recent, and is based upon some kind of participation algo, so it can't be argued as a method of favortism.  People get funny when money is involved, even at the very small amounts we are talking about here.  I've been a mod here for a couple years, never really thought about getting paid for it.
823  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 11:27:20 PM
Don't you have some evidence of my bad behavior to gather up?  The clock is ticking.
Huh  you know i love this stuff!  Tell EVERYTHING!1!!

The clock is no longer ticking.
824  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 11:17:28 PM
It's at least as likely that exposure to libertarian thought causes significant cognative dissonance in those who don't understand the philosophy, including yourself.  Sometimes I actually try to soften the blow for some of you guys, because I feel sorry for you; it must hurt sometimes.  Other times I don't feel any such pity, because stupidity should hurt somewhat.
You don't see yourself as The Punisher, do you? (kindergarten rules still apply:  Be nice if you want others to be)

The Punisher?  No.  I've literally never banned anyone on this forum, at least not personally.  It's never come to that for me.  The problem that I have is that the only tool I have is a nuke-ban, which is such an over the top action that it seems entirely disproportionate to the kinds of offenses that I generally see.  If I had a more intermediate action that I could take, such as a term limited posting ban, I'd use that I expect; but AFAIK only Theymos has such fine control of punishments.  I have, however, pulled Theymos into conflicts wherein I felt that a response was required, but a full nuke-ban was overkill.  He really doesn't like playing judge, though, and I can't say as I blame him.
825  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 11:10:15 PM
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The irony of that statement is that, yes, I've given you much of my time and consideration. Case in point, you're not banned, yet.  You walked into our house and took a grand shit on our kitchen table, and I've let you continue to do so.  As Rassah has pointed out, I literally have to suffer fools as a mod on this forum; but there is only so much I'll take.  And you in particular, have leveled slander against me that you show no inclination towards either supporting or correcting.  If you've read your PM's today, you know that you have a time limit, and the clock is ticking.  So you need to choose; either prove your claims, withdraw your claims, or you can go completely bonkers until I pull the pin.  And no, I have not deleted any of my own posts, so whatever you think you saw is still there.  If you feel you've been unfairly treated, I'm sure Theymos would just love to hear your gripes.  
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Go ahead.  Don't forget, you're here of your own free will.  So you must get something out of all this.
I'm certainly more entertaining than some trolls you are forced to suffer.


More entertaining than many, not as entertaining as some.  I've noted to others in the past, the skill of the troller in entertaining me is one of the reasons that some people get away with it.  I'm not shy about admitting I'm biased in favor of clever trolling.

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I recognize my powerlessness and lack of influence. This applies in other spheres as well.
If you drop the modhammer, one less shrieky little whateveriam. No recourse for me. Game over.
If I prove to my, or anyone's but your satisfaction that you're a [redacted] whatever, I still lose.
We've shown our cards, and you win regardless. I got no dog in this fight.
I'm also imagining I'll wind up in gitmo one day irl, ready to hungerstrike.

And so, with full knowledge that I am and have always been at your mercy, I'm hereby publishing an apology for any slander that could have been interpreted from any of my posts. I am willing to edit my post according to any moderator's guidelines.

Thank you, apology accepted.
826  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 10:07:34 PM
Oh, come on, you can facepalm harder than that!...
...Libertarian mods try to have minimalist rules. Players play by "the rules". The mods try not to get annoyed. They eventually get annoyed and the rule-breakers get banned. Clear as miso soup? Cheesy


It's clear enough to me, and since I'm that libertarian mod you speak of,
I was keeping it general. Since Hazek & Co mostly seem Libertarian as well... /meta

Pretty much all of the mods are libertarians of some flavor, I assumed you were referring to myself because I'm the one here.
827  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 10:06:09 PM

How about NY, NJ, Philly, Baltimore, Hardy, AR, Raleigh or Asheville, ect,ect?
Have you given spare change to someone who used it to buy cigarettes I could have gotten to?


I've given away much money, and bus tickets, etc to a great many people; so I suppose it's possible.  I'm much more likely to give money to a bum with an old high & tight or a pair of jungle boots than a tail.

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Or paid for a good or service from a smoker?
Do you know what a "snipe" is?

A snipe is a bird in my world, what does it mean in your native tounge?

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Edit: I hereby command you by the powers vested in me by whoever to start frequenting underground grindcore shows, SCUM lesbian bars, and furry conventions. I believe one of the latter was held ajacent to San Jose 2013.

No.
828  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 10:00:00 PM
Unless you live deep in the amazon jungle you have to pay taxes, anywhere in the world. Theres no getting away from it.
I pay no taxes and live in no amazon jungle.
Freeganism.

I thought you lived in the US, do you not pay sales taxes?  Do you never buy anything at all?
Grin
Hi.
Never. Anything. At all.


And no one buys anything on your behalf either, I suppose.
Complicated question. Technically yes and arguably no.
I rely on the gift economy.
I do not order at reastauants.
I encourage others to practice freeganism.
When I go to the store with my state permission to steal $200ebt of food, I do not incur debt to my person.
I do not handle federal reserve notes, as a rule.
If someone gives me something they bought "on my behalf", their purchase does not happen on my behalf or request.

Call it ethical bumming or boycotting of consumerism.
You're a parasite.  I wouldn't call that ethical.

You're not nice -- that's worse Sad

It may not be nice to point it out, but it is what she is.  She is an able bodied,
Nope.
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Feel free to clarify.

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young adult who lives off of the kindness of others and the forced taxation of others;
Best way to live. I'd be much better off without the taxes, admittedly.
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by her own admission above.  
You mean your assumptions and prejudiced conclusions?
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No matter how I may feel about food stamps, the food assistance program was established to help out families who could not afford to buy enough healthy foodstuffs to feed their families.  
And my zero income, smash the state, end the fed anarchist ways are robbing little children. Okay. Normally, I'd be yelling very colorful obscenities at you irl.
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Not only does she not have kids, (god help them if I'm wrong) she isn't incapable of supporting herself, she just chooses not to participate in her own support.
You're talking in the third person to degrade me. I recognize this. You are also drawing conclusions about me that are based in assumptions

 I was refering to you in the third person because I was answering someone else's charges.  I wsn't even talking to you, but if you feel degraded by it, good.

As to the point about my assumptions, I'd call them educated guesses.  Are you going to assert that my conclusions are incorrect?  Or are you just attacking my methods?

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Other people give her things either because they feel sorry for her,
Like you with your time and consideration?


The irony of that statement is that, yes, I've given you much of my time and consideration. Case in point, you're not banned, yet.  You walked into our house and took a grand shit on our kitchen table, and I've let you continue to do so.  As Rassah has pointed out, I literally have to suffer fools as a mod on this forum; but there is only so much I'll take.  And you in particular, have leveled slander against me that you show no inclination towards either supporting or correcting.  If you've read your PM's today, you know that you have a time limit, and the clock is ticking.  So you need to choose; either prove your claims, withdraw your claims, or you can go completely bonkers until I pull the pin.  And no, I have not deleted any of my own posts, so whatever you think you saw is still there.  If you feel you've been unfairly treated, I'm sure Theymos would just love to hear your gripes.  
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like her enough to overlook her parasitical lifestyle,
Cyberbully. If I wasn't bored to tears, I'd cry.


Go ahead.  Don't forget, you're here of your own free will.  So you must get something out of all this.

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or are forced to by government taxation and redistribution schemes.  That is unethical, and the very definition of a parasite.
I can, have and intend on continue on existing without respect for the state which props up the ACTUALLY parasitic behavior of capitalists.

Okay.

EDIT:  BTW, those bitcoin transactions you note on your facebook page, that's capitalism.  How do you not hate yourself?
829  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 09:30:34 PM
Oh, come on, you can facepalm harder than that!  Try again!  You doing it?  Harder!  Pay attention:  Never said anything about richest men, never said muggers were rich, and i think you can facepalm harder if you tried.  If you don't understand something in the future, don't assume that it's nonsense -- know that you're simply not smart enough to understand it yet.  Oh, and protip:  You can stop facepalming now.
Careful. If you troll too hard for too long, you might get eventually banned. As much as I would just love to see that happen, I'm not sure I could do this epic chess battle on my own. Although I still haven't seen the whole process in action, it seems to go something like this: Libertarian mods try to have minimalist rules. Players play by "the rules". The mods try not to get annoyed. They eventually get annoyed and the rule-breakers get banned. Clear as miso soup? Cheesy


It's clear enough to me, and since I'm that libertarian mod you speak of, that works out fine.  It's not a requirement that you understand.

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Most people seem to struggle with the whole cancer correlation vs causation thing, even on this forum. Maybe having prolonged Libertarian/An-Cap/other anti-government views actually causes cognitive decline?

It's at least as likely that exposure to libertarian thought causes significant cognative dissonance in those who don't understand the philosophy, including yourself.  Sometimes I actually try to soften the blow for some of you guys, because I feel sorry for you; it must hurt sometimes.  Other times I don't feel any such pity, because stupidity should hurt somewhat.
830  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 09:23:36 PM

Do you pay taxes? If so, thanks for paying the cops to kick me in the head, and the NSA to watch me, and for me to get away with $200ebt in free food sometimes.
Have I ever bummed a cigarette of of you? I can't recall.

Yes, I do pay taxes.  Against my own will, so that I don't get my own head kicked in also.  I also have the joy of paying the NSA to watch me, as well.

Here's an irony; up until very recently, I received EBT benefits as well.  I was required to accept them due to terms of a contract, with the state.  I know, a further irony.  The reason was because I was fostering two brothers, and the birth parents already received EBT, and I was obligated to maintain all benefits until such time as parental rights were terminated. 

They were terminated shortly after my wife & I adopted them, because there is no way that we qualify and no way that we were going to pursue them anyway.

I've never lived in Texas or Tennessee, nor do I smoke, nor do I frequent furry bars; so I seriously doubt I've ever given you a cigarette.
831  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 09:17:07 PM

You should see my hairdo. You wouldn't call that ethical either.


I saw your husband's hairdo.  At least I hope that was your husband.

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Found an example of capitalism working yet?


As previously noted, several.  Posted them already, you didn't bother to read any of them.  Many of them predate your forum membership, just as that entire thread did before you got there.

Don't you have some evidence of my bad behavior to gather up?  The clock is ticking.
832  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 09:13:23 PM
Unless you live deep in the amazon jungle you have to pay taxes, anywhere in the world. Theres no getting away from it.
I pay no taxes and live in no amazon jungle.
Freeganism.

I thought you lived in the US, do you not pay sales taxes?  Do you never buy anything at all?
Grin
Hi.
Never. Anything. At all.


And no one buys anything on your behalf either, I suppose.
Complicated question. Technically yes and arguably no.
I rely on the gift economy.
I do not order at reastauants.
I encourage others to practice freeganism.
When I go to the store with my state permission to steal $200ebt of food, I do not incur debt to my person.
I do not handle federal reserve notes, as a rule.
If someone gives me something they bought "on my behalf", their purchase does not happen on my behalf or request.

Call it ethical bumming or boycotting of consumerism.
You're a parasite.  I wouldn't call that ethical.

You're not nice -- that's worse Sad

It may not be nice to point it out, but it is what she is.  She is an able bodied, young adult who lives off of the kindness of others and the forced taxation of others; by her own admission above.  No matter how I may feel about food stamps, the food assistance program was established to help out families who could not afford to buy enough healthy foodstuffs to feed their families.  Not only does she not have kids, (god help them if I'm wrong) she isn't incapable of supporting herself, she just chooses not to participate in her own support.  Other people give her things either because they feel sorry for her, like her enough to overlook her parasitical lifestyle, or are forced to by government taxation and redistribution schemes.  That is unethical, and the very definition of a parasite.
833  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 08:56:09 PM
Unless you live deep in the amazon jungle you have to pay taxes, anywhere in the world. Theres no getting away from it.
I pay no taxes and live in no amazon jungle.
Freeganism.

I thought you lived in the US, do you not pay sales taxes?  Do you never buy anything at all?
Grin
Hi.
Never. Anything. At all.


And no one buys anything on your behalf either, I suppose.
Complicated question. Technically yes and arguably no.
I rely on the gift economy.
I do not order at reastauants.
I encourage others to practice freeganism.
When I go to the store with my state permission to steal $200ebt of food, I do not incur debt to my person.
I do not handle federal reserve notes, as a rule.
If someone gives me something they bought "on my behalf", their purchase does not happen on my behalf or request.

Call it ethical bumming or boycotting of consumerism.

You're a parasite.  I wouldn't call that ethical.
834  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 08:55:26 PM
Unless you live deep in the amazon jungle you have to pay taxes, anywhere in the world. Theres no getting away from it.
I pay no taxes and live in no amazon jungle.
Freeganism.

I thought you lived in the US, do you not pay sales taxes?  Do you never buy anything at all?
Grin
Hi.
Never. Anything. At all.


This makes me even more curious.  How do you access this forum, if you neither own anything, nor buy time at a cybercafe?

She's one of those weird people with friends...

That just means that someone else is paying those taxes on her behalf, not that taxes don't get paid.
835  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 08:46:47 PM
Unless you live deep in the amazon jungle you have to pay taxes, anywhere in the world. Theres no getting away from it.
I pay no taxes and live in no amazon jungle.
Freeganism.

I thought you lived in the US, do you not pay sales taxes?  Do you never buy anything at all?
Grin
Hi.
Never. Anything. At all.


This makes me even more curious.  How do you access this forum, if you neither own anything, nor buy time at a cybercafe?
836  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 08:44:44 PM
Unless you live deep in the amazon jungle you have to pay taxes, anywhere in the world. Theres no getting away from it.
I pay no taxes and live in no amazon jungle.
Freeganism.

I thought you lived in the US, do you not pay sales taxes?  Do you never buy anything at all?

Wasn't it you that posted a that freedomizer NH link, MoonShadow? NH

Maybe.  I don't remember that one.  I'm pretty sure there are still taxes in NH, though.
837  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 08:35:05 PM
Unless you live deep in the amazon jungle you have to pay taxes, anywhere in the world. Theres no getting away from it.
I pay no taxes and live in no amazon jungle.
Freeganism.

I thought you lived in the US, do you not pay sales taxes?  Do you never buy anything at all?
Grin
Hi.
Never. Anything. At all.


And no one buys anything on your behalf either, I suppose.
838  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 08:25:44 PM
Unless you live deep in the amazon jungle you have to pay taxes, anywhere in the world. Theres no getting away from it.
I pay no taxes and live in no amazon jungle.
Freeganism.

I thought you lived in the US, do you not pay sales taxes?  Do you never buy anything at all?
839  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 06:49:27 PM
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Can't have crime without the state.
Murder is not a crime, in your opinion?  Rape?  You require a state to define your mores for you?

That depends on how you define "crime."  Murder and Ayn Rand are both, arguably, crimes.  Murder, with a few notable exceptions, is currently prohibited by the US law.  US is a state.  If i'm murdering in US, i run afoul of US law.  Ayn Rand is a different story -- totally unregulated in US.  I can walk down any US street, flaunting a copy of Atlas Shrugged with nothing graver than a few stifled giggles & pointed fingers as consequences.  That's the kind of liberty we have in US.  Watch us, the rest of the world, and envy.

Our government doesn't codify all mores into law, just a select few -- the acts that will be punished: crimes, violations, infractions.  So, strictly speaking, unless you consider violating municipal bylaws to be crime, crime is defined by the state.  Crimes against nature, God & "OMG that blouse is a crime" don't count.

Seriously?  You don't think that there is a rational reason that murder and rape are crimes regardless of government?

We're not even speaking the same language.
840  Other / Off-topic / Re: Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes) on: June 20, 2013, 06:43:01 PM


Dunbar's Number is an internet meme.  A chunk of interesting research picked up by halfwits & kludged into a pseudo-science.  Each time you use it, a kitty dies.


Just a little bit of research into the topic for which you attempt to speak would have saved you from shame, assuming you actually feel shame.

"In 1992 [5] Dunbar used the correlation observed for non-human primates to predict a social group size for humans. Using a regression equation on data for 38 primate genera, Dunbar predicted a human "mean group size" of 148 (casually rounded to 150), a result he considered exploratory due to the large error measure (a 95% confidence interval of 100 to 230).[6]

Dunbar then compared this prediction with observable group sizes for humans. Beginning with the assumption that the current mean size of the human neocortex had developed about 250,000 years ago, during the Pleistocene, Dunbar searched the anthropological and ethnographical literature for census-like group size information for various hunter–gatherer societies, the closest existing approximations to how anthropology reconstructs the Pleistocene societies. Dunbar noted that the groups fell into three categories — small, medium and large, equivalent to bands, cultural lineage groups and tribes — with respective size ranges of 30–50, 100–200 and 500–2500 members each."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar's_number#Research_background
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It can't work only because it's simply not scalable.
[Can i haz Fact Cat?]
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Capitalism may appear harsh from a certain perspecitive, but it's both sustainable and scalable.  The assertion that it requires some degree of slavery or government force to function is false, and provablely so.
[Can i haz Fact Cat?]
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The sad fact is that, yes, slavery has historicly been found coincincidntal to capitalsim. It's also been found coincidental to just about every other known form of governance, including those matriachies that certain posters seem so fond of.  Corrolation is not causation.

Of course not.  Just like smoking doesn't cause cancer Wink  Sure, there's some correlation, but causation?  The only difference is in smoking & cancer, the correlation is much weaker than in capitalism & slavery.  Fact Cat agreez.

Trolling again.

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It's a balance of motivations, however.  You can look at trade as an advesarial relationship (a conflict) if you like.  That's not a completely unsupportable position.   However, trade is almost always more profitable for both parties when both parties benefit, because voluntary exchange is less costly than war.

I absolutely agree.  That's why armed mugging is so popular Cheesy  I point a gun at your face & offer you a profitable trade:  Your life for your wallet.  After a quick negotiation, you conclude that it's in your enlightened self interest to part with your wallet & not your brains.  Another deal done Grin
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Mugging is popular where you live?  Perhaps you should move, or choose another profession.  That one will get you killed where I live, and I do mean that literally.

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In the cases that voluntary exchange is not mutually beneficial, such exchanges cannot (by reason) be voluntary.

Depends on what you mean by "voluntary."  In the above trade, you could have chosen to keep your wallet & pick your brains up off the sidewalk.  I love freedom of choice.


That wouldn't have been my choice.  My choice would as likely to have been to shoot you in the face, since I'm more than confident that I'm both fast and accurate enough to defeat you, since I actually can afford to practice.  Again, I live in a city where at least ten percent of the adult population possesses a permit to carry a weapon concealled.  I was 32 before I even met anyone who was mugged in my city.  To this day, in a city of roughly one million people, the reported muggings are less than 100 in a year; half of which occur within a three block radius of a particular housing project in the west end of town, and almost all of them after dark.  I've never been in that neighborhood after dark, and don't know anyone who would.

I cut out the remainder of your trolling, BTW.
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