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521  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin even more broken than previously thought on: November 26, 2013, 10:21:18 PM
Put you back on ignore.
Your button is also in color.  Roll Eyes

What color is mine?
522  Economy / Economics / Re: Transactions Withholding Attack on: November 26, 2013, 10:19:30 PM
MoonShadow may not have understood your premise exactly,

Rassah, I think you are well aware that I understood his premise at least as well as he thinks that he understood his premise.

When you were arguing about the details of the AmazonWallet, it seemed you have missed that the wallets would ONLY connect to Amazon servers, and thus only broadcast all their transactions to Amazon's miners. You were arguing about how P2P works, but these wallets will obviously not be P2P.

I didn't miss that point, I took that as evidence that he didn't understand how the p2p network actually worked, that it was in Amazon's own vendors' interests that transactions be broadcast widely regardless of whether or not there was a profit to be gained from doing so.  Thus, it would be in the vendors' own interests to undermine the cartel's goals.  Amazon uses an exclusive payment system now, but most vendors can still do business outside of that system using their own websites.  Amazon is like a huge shopping mall, some people go there just to look around, and some small specialty shops benefit from being seen there.  That doesn't mean that they don't have stores that aren't in the mall.
523  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin even more broken than previously thought on: November 26, 2013, 10:14:16 PM
The cognitive dissonance here is astounding. I have the utmost faith in virtual currencies as a technology and Bitcoin as the best example of that technology, but why is it that any attack on Bitcoin is 'trolling'; technologies survive by mending their flaws. The fact that this level of theorization is going on around the protocol means it's getting somewhere.

It's an interesting article and brings up an important question to consider; whether it's implementable in practice is another question. I'll definitely respect a Cornell professor to know what he's talking about. The arrogant dismissiveness on these forums is stunning.

Mostly we just get tired of repeatedly refuting the same crap.
524  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin even more broken than previously thought on: November 26, 2013, 10:13:23 PM
bitcoin is software.

bugs can be fixed. i think we are beyond the point where even a major flaw would make it disappear. since there is so much money in the game, it will get handled ith care and common interest.

No, Bitcoin isn't software. Bitcoin is belief in the integrity of the block chain. Bitcoin survived a breach of that integrity early on in its development, but I doubt it would survive one now.

That wasn't much of a breach, it was more like a bug.  There wasn't any way that anyone could still funds, fake a bitcoin balance, or some such.  There was a bug that permitted a fairly effective DDOS attack on the network, thereby preventing transactions from processing.  The integrity of the blockchain, nor it's security model, was ever in peril.
525  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Help with rebroadcasting transaction please. on: November 26, 2013, 09:51:22 PM
Then it's a problem with MTGox, and there is nothing we can do to help.  The rebroadcasting won't help.
526  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Help with rebroadcasting transaction please. on: November 26, 2013, 09:33:53 PM
Hi guys, I sent small amount 0.363 of bitcoin from mtgox to my bter account and it didn't go through last night. I figured it was delayed or something but its been almost 13 hours now and the transaction does not even show up in the blockchain. I sent two more transfers this morning from mtgox and it was sent instantly. For some reason this transaction was not sent to the blockchain. From research I found that there is a way to rebroadcast the transaction but every time I tried I get an error code from the blockchain.info

Does anyone have good instructions on how to rebroadcast this transaction so that it goes through?

First question, did you provide a fee?

Second question, by "does not even show up in the blockchain" what do you mean exactly?  If it were to show up in the blockchain, it'd already be done.  Do you mean in blockchain explorer?  Rebroadcasting is automatic, so if your transaction is loose in the wild, but just not in a block yet, then it'll confirm eventually.
527  Economy / Economics / Re: Transactions Withholding Attack on: November 26, 2013, 09:31:08 PM
MoonShadow may not have understood your premise exactly,

Rassah, I think you are well aware that I understood his premise at least as well as he thinks that he understood his premise.
528  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why is the blockchain so slow? on: November 26, 2013, 07:24:26 PM
Just a newer i5 laptop w\ integrated graphics.  I am no where near maxing the CPU on this per task mgr.  Internet connection is 25 mbps.

Usually, the bottleneck for a fresh download of the blockchain isn't the bandwidth, it's the seek rate of the harddrive.  Since each block must be checked in every way before the client will download the next block, and your CPU isn't hammered, it's probably due to the massive number of disk accesses that both checking the blocks as well as building the index require.  If you were to start with a fairly recent copy of the blockchain, from a torrent for example, and tell the client to "rescan" that blockchain, your delays would likely be almost as bad.
529  Economy / Economics / Re: Why bitcoin isn't currency. on: November 26, 2013, 07:16:38 PM
There is only the subjective value of an individual and the objective value of the market place.

I can say I don't value water, but the market can never say mankind doesn't value water. When you say intrinsic value you really mean objective market value. 

Yes, and this subjective value is called marginal utility, whereas the objective value of the market place is called price (not necessary in money terms). Let's start at last using correct and strict terms?

Agreed.  Marginal utility is a much more precise term, and has everything to do with bitcoins & gold.  Gold's marginal utility is very small compared to it's market price, so the argument that gold has marginal utility (while assuming that bitcoins do not) is of small merit at best.  Gold is, by and large, valued by the market for it's monetary uses; particularly it's store-of-value monetary utility.  Bitcoins are, by and large, valued by the market for it's monetary uses; particularly for it's frictionless-global-medium-of-exchange monetary uses.  Neither gold nor bitcoin can compare to silver for non-monetary utility, but then silver isn't really a monetary commodity in our modern industrial society, but an industrial commodity.  It's value is, by and large, set by current and near term industrial demand for silver; not by long term speculation on it's future trade value.

I could argue that the Bitcoin network has features that grant bitcoins a non-monetary utility, but I don't think that such an argument is worthwhile.
530  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin even more broken than previously thought on: November 26, 2013, 06:38:15 PM
The article is a bunch of nonsense. Support the ignore button of OP.


Explain why it is nonsense
Explain why your ignore button is in color.
LOL!!!  Hey it actually is.   His ignore button is highlighted.  What does that mean?


It means that a number of forum members have put him on their personal ignore list.
531  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why is the blockchain so slow? on: November 26, 2013, 01:37:54 AM
Perhaps a better question is what kind of hardware is on your client computer?
532  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin even more broken than previously thought on: November 26, 2013, 12:31:52 AM
"It takes 4.5 seconds for a block to reach 50% of the miners. That's approximately an eternity in computer terms. That's plenty of time for a selfish miner to push his own block and win some races, especially if he makes his block smaller than average."

But won't the 4.5 seconds apply equally to the selfish miner and honest miners?

Normally, yes.  However any mining pool acting in a 'selfish' manner can be identifed by predictable effects.  Once the offending pool is identified, honest miners who desire to punish the selfish pool may do so, by adding a delay to the propogation of any of their published blocks, or simply refusing to forward them at all.  There is nothing in the protocol that requires peers to treat each other equally.
533  Other / Archival / Re: I sold everything at $158/159 this morning on: November 26, 2013, 12:25:16 AM
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I thought we all agreed on something: one does not simply short bitcoins.

Doesn't matter what you might agree about.  It only matters what's possible.  Someone's going to ingore your agreement.

I just meant that shorting bitcoins seems extremely reckless given how BTC has behaved in his short history, I though you would have agreed since you've been into BTC since the days in which it was worth nothing.

Yeah, that's true.  It seems to me that everytime bitcoin surges to new highs, about a week or so later it crashes back down to half or so of the high, but it never gets down to the prior lows.  So the march to infinity has been two steps forward, one step back all the way.  But the one time I bet against a still higher high, bitcoin breaks it's pattern and does a double peak within a week without the crash to half value in the middle.  Sucks to be me, but that's what happened.  The moral of the story, don't assume that there is a pattern to bitcoin market movements.
534  Other / Archival / Re: I sold everything at $158/159 this morning on: November 25, 2013, 11:29:37 PM
That's nothing.  Back around Feburary I shorted a small fortune in bitcoins because I thought, "There's no way that Bitcoins could surge beyond $80 apiece in the next two weeks!"

I was wrong, and as a result lost a life-changing number of bitcoins.  Had I not done that one wager, I would be able to retire and move to a warmer climate by now.  And I'm not exaggerating.

You played the game safe. But you helped others to make some profit as well, so you cannot feel too bad

Well, I don't feel too bad really.  I didn't bet them all, just a lot.
535  Other / Archival / Re: I sold everything at $158/159 this morning on: November 25, 2013, 11:29:07 PM
That's nothing.  Back around Feburary I shorted a small fortune in bitcoins because I thought, "There's no way that Bitcoins could surge beyond $80 apiece in the next two weeks!"

I was wrong, and as a result lost a life-changing number of bitcoins.  Had I not done that one wager, I would be able to retire and move to a warmer climate by now.  And I'm not exaggerating.

Well, check this out (http://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1r88vl/need_advice_on_inheritance_arbitrage_family_etc/) and then we speak about pain and slaughter.

Well, that guy obviously has a block with learning that there are some risks that some people can't manage.  He needs to put that money into a CD or trust, and leave it for his sister.  I lost a fortune, but I learned that I shouldn't be gambling with bitcoins like it was monopoly money.

I thought we all agreed on something: one does not simply short bitcoins.

Doesn't matter what you might agree about.  It only matters what's possible.  Someone's going to ingore your agreement.
536  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Riddles - Second edition - Solve them and harvest the loot! on: November 25, 2013, 11:19:02 PM
I have to admit, I've made no progress.
537  Other / Archival / Re: I sold everything at $158/159 this morning on: November 25, 2013, 11:10:18 PM
That's nothing.  Back around Feburary I shorted a small fortune in bitcoins because I thought, "There's no way that Bitcoins could surge beyond $80 apiece in the next two weeks!"

I was wrong, and as a result lost a life-changing number of bitcoins.  Had I not done that one wager, I would be able to retire and move to a warmer climate by now.  And I'm not exaggerating.

Well, check this out (http://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1r88vl/need_advice_on_inheritance_arbitrage_family_etc/) and then we speak about pain and slaughter.

Well, that guy obviously has a block with learning that there are some risks that some people can't manage.  He needs to put that money into a CD or trust, and leave it for his sister.  I lost a fortune, but I learned that I shouldn't be gambling with bitcoins like it was monopoly money.
538  Other / Archival / Re: I sold everything at $158/159 this morning on: November 25, 2013, 11:04:11 PM

Remember, Bitcoin will be inflationary till +2030.


Technically, Bitcoin will be inflationary until about 2140.  Although the inflation rate will be very, very small after about 2040.  The block reward will be under 1 bitcoin around 2033, if I did my head math correctly, but just imagine how much that will be worth by then!
539  Other / Archival / Re: I sold everything at $158/159 this morning on: November 25, 2013, 10:55:30 PM
That's nothing.  Back around Feburary I shorted a small fortune in bitcoins because I thought, "There's no way that Bitcoins could surge beyond $80 apiece in the next two weeks!"

I was wrong, and as a result lost a life-changing number of bitcoins.  Had I not done that one wager, I would be able to retire and move to a warmer climate by now.  And I'm not exaggerating.
540  Economy / Economics / Re: Why bitcoin isn't currency. on: November 25, 2013, 10:29:00 PM
Let me help...

When used in an economic sense, "intrinsic value" is better stated as, "the value that the owner might attribute to some intrinsice characteristics or properties common to the object".  It was never a theory that an object can have a definable value as an intrinic property unto itself.  Even within the context of 'intrinsic value theory of money', all value is subjective.  Which is why we need markets to tell us what the price is.  (There is no way to determine how much any particular person may value his purchase, beyond what he is apparently willing to pay for it; but even then, the price isn't usually set by the buyer, but by what the next willing buyer isn't willing to pay.  Using ebay as an example, the final price of any auction is determined by what the first loser isn't willing to bid, not what the winner was willing to pay to win.)

It seems to me (and probably I'm not alone in such an opinion) that your purpose was not really to help us out (actually, we have all agreed to expel the term as useless) but rather to confuse matters even more...

If that is so, then please accept my appologies and ignore my post.
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