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Is there a widget that allows a customer to click and generate a unique receiving address that is tied to their order? I know that several online sites do this (bitcoin sportsbook does, clearcoin does) I don't know if this is a function that those website owners have built in or if it is something that has been developed separately and can be easily added to any site.
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I'm going to be approaching a merchant about accepting bitcoins. Is there a simple widget to put on a webpage to generate an address and accept payment currently? If not I'll probably be starting a bounty for one shortly as it is something that is kind of vital for wider adoption.
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good point.
So the focus should be on under what circumstances we move the decimal point? (Or a bit-shift if that is deemed more appropriate.).
Is there a plan for dealing with that? (And please dont say "When satoshi say's so?", I think we're growing past that.)
It's simple. There is already hundred millionths precision, I've been sent a tx with that much precision. You can't see it in the client, but it is there. By the time we need more 8 places I won't care at all. Neither will anyone with a bitcoin. We'll be at the perpetual party. /fantasy It's possible to get more too; I don't understand exactly what would need changed though. Even if it was hard, it wouldn't be a big problem because you could use the network only for 'big' transactions and use wallets or some other solution for small stuff as I imagine most will be doing anyway for security or convenience or whatever, we don't necessarily need every 1 billionth BTC transaction recorded in the chain. edit to add: I think it would be good to reveal two more decimal places when we're a bit beyond parity. At first it should be a manual switch in the options so people don't get confused. A change in the transaction fees will be important as well, so that it becomes possible to send amounts smaller than .01 |
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Yeah, monetary debasement is still monetary debasement. You just get a different flavor of malinvestment if government plays Robin Hood. Look at consumption in houses and cars leading up to and after the car and home credits. If government really followed Keynesian doctrine they would cut spending during booms. In reality their counterfeiting is targeted at their rich cronies much more so than the poor they "represent". It seems gullible to me to foresee them ever doing any drastic cuts in spending without a serious crisis already fully underway, and then it's too late.
It seems like most I've encountered who are opposed to Austrian economics are also ignorant of it. Please educate yourself Babylon. Money not "flowing" was only a proximate cause of trouble in the past two years. Ultimately, various forms of government intervention only either cause crises or exaggerate normal business cycles. In this crisis, you have safety nets offered to those engaged in recklessly trading MBS's, legislation passed enabling looser loan underwriting than would have otherwise been in place and the manipulation of interest rates by central planners, to just name the big ones. Any recovery we experience will be in spite of, not because of, government intervention in the economy. With the second round of quantitative easing, the US is now inflating the money supply in order to support government's spending habits. It's the last out for any banana republic.
"It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance."–Murray N. Rothbard.
I don't have a problem with inflation of the dollar either. Inflation is good for people that are in debt and a debt jubilee is long overdue in American society. With tightening of bankruptcy regulations the only way out ends up being through inflation. My understanding of Austrian economics is that markets are self correcting and government should not tamper in them. They tend to favor a hard currency reserve to back government money and oppose government spending in general. By enforcing debt collections, protecting private property, and spending on inevitable things like military and police however the government already has a significant effect on the market. Choosing not to direct this effect is simply irresponsible. I agree that there should have been cuts during boom times and that government stimulus has been directed at the rich and has thus done no good whatsoever in the current crisis. |
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Looks cool. It's neat that you essentially found a way to make people wait 45 days for PayPal bought coins without it being to annoying since the buyer feels like they already bought and spent the coins immediately after tipping. And the person who got the tip can't complain too much since it was money for "nothing".
I have enough connections that I can get coins immediately with my PP, but I'm going to buy some from you if the 30 cents is a valid offer. Does that stay updated? How many can/will you sell at that rate?
Sorry, the 0,30 cent offer is out.. We sold out very quickly. We are trying to get new coins right now. So I'm actually looking for Bitcoins at the moment. We'll have to sell at a significantly higher rate, as a good proportion of the buyers, mainly bought them to speculate. At least thats what I suspect.  We want to enable "the technicaly not savy", to easily aquire Bitcoins. Therfore a higher rate will be necessary to keep out the speculators; probably 0,50 cent looking at the current mt gox rates.. 50 cents should (IMHO) last you through about February. |
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this is the guy who had the Scottish 419 letter up.
Now mind you it could be a funny joke, but still, makes me suspicious.
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Just because someone supports bitcoins that doesn't mean the person is an Austrian as far as their economic beliefs.
I feel that government stimulus does have a place in revitalizing the economy and that the reason for the recent stimulus failing was not because Keynes was fundamentally wrong but because it was aimed at the wrong people, the rich, who chose to save it, not the poor, who would have spent immediately and started money circulating.
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Do you appreciate a short story? Would you like to see an amateur writer gradually improve? Well, throw a fraction of a BTC my way and watch it grow through these stories. I swear on my integrity as a writer that I will put the same amount of passion into each individual work. Every piece will be fresh in its inception, hence no work will be made in advance.
Place your order in a post below and I will get right to your short story. Every story will be made publicly viewable and licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License. I can guarantee* the story will be completed within the week. The time will decrease as I create more work.
The current rate for a standard <=1000-word short story is .25 BTC.
Special requests can be made for an additional charge. You can message me for details.
My address is 18bDDEuX7x34E6B2Q1UmWzKKyYafBfKb8J .
Thank you.
*Any story not completed within a week will be refunded.
Are you commissioning stories with specific themes? If so what themes are you best suited to write? Although I am in favor of creative commons licenses for a lot of things, I know that if I am going to pay for work I'd kind of like to benefit more from it than someone who didn't pay for it, are you open to a more restrictive license on your work if you are paid at a higher rate? Just to be clear, I am not currently in the market to commision any stories, although that may change, just pointing out some questions that seemed sensible to me. |
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I would reference bitcoinme.com in your list of sites, it tends to be the easiest site for someone who is new to bitcoins to relate to.
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Come on. Isn't that hate about homophobism just as hateful as homophobism itself ?
Even if naimogold doesn't like gay people. So what ? Nobody's perfect.
Nobody's perfect, indeed. However, homophobism(and especially communication of homophobism) simply cross the line. How is it any better or worse than any other form of prejudice? Don't take the high road here, everyone has their cultural taboos. I didn't say anything about this part of this thread, because I know that I have my own. In this case, I agree with both sides to some degree. I have no problem with Bruce's lifestyle, provided that I'm not exposed to it. However, as Namigold has already pointed out, in his first interview Bruce kinda shared a bit too much. He was also somewhat led there as well. Some sorts of hate are better than others because they are based on a more valid basis. I hate nazis, because Nazis will kill me if they get the chance (I am part Gypsy) I hate homophobes because they will cause trouble for friends of mine. So yes, I would say some sorts of prejudice are better than others. |
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Come on. Isn't that hate about homophobism just as hateful as homophobism itself ?
Even if naimogold doesn't like gay people. So what ? Nobody's perfect.
Nobody's perfect, indeed. However, homophobism(and especially communication of homophobism) simply cross the line.
I don't like gay people either. I kind of despise them. Beat me.
As long as gay people don't ask hetrosexual males like me out on date, I don't care. They've asked me out before. I politely say "no thanks, I'm straight" and consider it flattering. |
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I don't understand the site.
I registered my processors for paypal and bitcoin, looks like I can deposit and withdraw (only not really of course since it is not real bitcoins or dollars) but I cannot find how to trade.
You have to create an order. Select the 'My Orders' tab and click 'Open New Order'. Here is an explanation for the currency pairs the new site will use. The old site's 'PayPalUSD' will become BMBTC/PPUSD on the new site. Currency pairs are the norm for traditional currency trading and it's drifting that way in the Bitcoin community I think. ok, I just didn't see the button. The way the simple orders work seems wrong to me. it does make it easy to buy or sell bitcoin, but without being able to set a price on the simple order I feel like I lose the function I use the most. Having to dig into the complex trade in order to set a price seems like a bad setup, to me. stop orders don't seem to be working, although I may just be misunderstanding how they work. The simple order form is just a start. I can add a price. If you have anymore suggestions for it let me know. What exactly was wrong with the Stop Orders? Market and Stop Orders might be confusing until the liquidity builds up. Limits and Stop Limits should behave better. The stop orders did not go through. My understanding of a stop order is that it waits for the market price to reach the stop price and then executes as a market trade. I set several limit orders at the stop price, as well as a stop order at the stop price and neither of my stop orders went through. |
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Decent people keep their junk in the closet; they don't define themselves by their peccadillos nor do they parade their embarrassing abnormalities for all to see.
Stop cloaking your personal attack of Bruce Wagner in sexual euphemisms. It's disrespectful and embarrassing for community members to attack others' sexual orientation. I am glad that he has done so. I had considered dealing with nanimogold and the fact that he has been clear about his on prejudice allows me to make an informed business decision not to do so. I hope he and any other homophobes, racists, sexists etc continue to spout their hatred so that I will know who I do not wish to enter into dealings with. |
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Paul and narrator Bob Bossin both live in Nanaimo. I have not met Paul but do know Bob personally and can go knock on his door any time.
I suspect these men are put off by promoters of Sodom. We don't ingest phytoestrogens or BPA here.
You know, most people don't care if you are gay, straight or even zoo as long as you close your bedroom door before you fuck.
Wearing your gonads out on your shirtsleeve is bound to put off normal people regardless of your "orientation".
Promotion of perversion is just that, and normal people are repulsed by those who do it.
As far as I can tell, the biggest obstacle to the acceptance of bitcoin is the dirty reputation of our self appointed cheerleader.
Having prudes in our more prominent voices is likely to hurt us just as much if not more. Now I do expect Bruce, or anyone else, to keep actual sex behind the bedroom doors. I wouldn't want to be associated with someone foolish enough to do it in the road. On the other hand bringing your spouse or lover with you to a dinner, business meeting, or public event is not only normal it is expected. Whether that person is the same gender as you, a different gender, or is even more than one person is not something that needs to be judged by anyone else. |
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Ok... I got a reply today.  To refresh your memory, I sent the following email to the creator of the film, "Money As Debt II"... To: Paul Grignon < pgrignon@island.net> Hello! We are discussing your film in the Bitcoin Forum ( here http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1992.0 ) Are you already familiar with Bitcoin?!?!? If not, please see http://BitcoinMe.com for a quick introduction to what it's all about. Bitcoin is a FOSS (free open source software) project that is making huge advances very quickly. The Bitcoin economy is already over US$1.3 Million in total value. We already have a "bounty" ( sort of a contest, to see who can come up with the best animated video explaining Bitcoin to everyday people... with the best video winning the prize pot... currently about $2,520 ). See http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=697.0;allI think it would be wonderful if you were to create a film explaining "What is a Bitcoin?" Also, I've gotta ask... Toward the end of "Money As Debt II", you were describing a digital currency enabled through encryption technology.... Were you already aware, at that time, that Bitcoin existed... or was about to be invented? Bruce Wagner New York City http://BitcoinMe.com646-580-0022 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 646-580-0022 end_of_the_skype_highlighting Today, I received his reply... Hi Bruce No I did not know about bitcoin when I made Money as Debt II It sounds like you didn't watch to the end of the credits where I send you to digitalcoin.info The idea came from the technology being developed at maidsafe.net. The inventors, having seen Money as Debt asked me for help explaining their technology. This is the animated movie I made for them (the 12 min. link) http://www.paulgrignon.netfirms.com/MoonfireStudio/PAGES/PD/Perpetual_Data_homepageFlash.htmlThey also asked me for ideas how to use it as a completely liberated money system. Money as Debt II ends by sending the viewer to digitalcoin.info which is my answer to their question. I didn't get paid for any of this by the way. I am not working FOR them. I was previously invited to enter this contest and declined. Making it a contest is, from my viewpoint, highly disrespectful of the work it would take to do a good job. But if someone does have the time to spare you may get what you want. I am currently busy completing Money as Debt III, Evolution Beyond Money explaining my alternative economy concepts. It will hopefully be as educationally useful and well-accepted as the first two movies. By the way there are no "producers'. Other than the narration I do everything. Paul First, I wanted to let Paul Grignon know that we meant no disrespect by calling it a "bounty" or a "contest". We all just want to honor those who create great works. We have a desire to scrape together whatever coins we can, to say "Thank You" to those who create such fantastic works. In fact, I propose that we stop calling these things "a bounty" or "a contest". We should call it "an award". We have created "a new award"... "an award with a prize attached". Because that's what it really is. We can also express that "we are seeking nominations" for the award. That sounds so much more respectful of all the hard work - blood, sweat, and tears - that software developers, film animators, and any other types of content-creators produce... and contribute for the benefit of us all. The small "prize" we offer is not a purchase price. It's simply one token of our appreciation for their hard work. It's a Thank You. Next, I want everyone here to look at Paul's ideas. They're very interesting. Don't just skim over them. Study them. His concept of - what he calls "Digital Coin" - encompasses TWO TYPES of digital currency. One Type, which he calls the "Perpetual Coin", represents "permanent value" (that one sounds like an exact match to Bitcoin - correct me if I'm wrong?). The Other Type, which he calls a "Credit Coin", represents a form of a "value voucher" that anyone can issue themselves... and spend into circulation... in effect, giving themselves instant credit. (For example, if I install Linux for people. I can issue a "Bruce Wagner Consulting 20 BTC Credit Coin". That coin would be worth 20 BTC worth of my services/products, as they are priced whenever it is redeemed.) However, he proposes that the actual value of the Credit Coins I issue would vary... based on real-time trading of these Credit Coins on automated markets (think http://MtGox.com). If demand for my services/products was low, the value (the relative value, as measured in how many "real" BTC people are willing to buy/sell them for) of the "Bruce Wagner Consulting 20 BTC Credit Coins" I issued would be lower. If demand for my services/products was high, the value (again, the relative value, as measured in how many "real" BTC people are willing to buy/sell them for) of the "Bruce Wagner Consulting 20 BTC Credit Coins" I issued, would be higher. However, in any case, that Credit Coin would ultimately always be redeemable by ME (the issuer) at 20 BTC WORTH of my services/products (at MY current "real" BTC prices). He also proposes that these Credit Coins would have a premium value if used (spent at Bruce Wagner Consulting) within a certain timeline (not immediately), and also that they would have a decreasing value over time... ultimately expiring completely. Thus, "forcing them" to ultimately be "spent" at Bruce Wagner Consulting, not hoarded. Anyway... You MUST WATCH this first. Don't be deceived by the title. You need to watch this 7 minute video first: http://www.digitalcoin.info/The_Essence_of_Money.html
Second, this video translates the concepts of the first video, into the dual coin "Digital Coin" concept. You must watch this 8 minute video: http://www.digitalcoin.info/Digital_Coin_Introduction.html
Finally, read this 4 page article... where Paul describes the concept in detail: http://www.digitalcoin.info/Digital_Coin_in_Brief_07-17-09.pdf
You must see these videos, and read that article, before any of this will really make sense.
For example, NOW I understand what farmer_boy was saying earlier, when he said... Another money system is described on http://digitalcoin.info (this is what the Money as Debt 2 movie refers to). As with bitcoins, I see no formal specification of how it is supposed to work, but it seems to me to be a better system than bitcoins if you look at the kind of properties one would want to get out of a money system and those that are actually obtained. Bitcoins are similar to the permanent digital coins type, but have the downside (or upside depending on your role) of having a purely speculative value. The credit coin has no counterpart in the Bitcoin system and as such doesn't perform all functions one would like to get from a money system. The author of bitcoins has a technical background, but less of an experience in money history (correct me if I am wrong). The designer of the digitalcoin probably has a less technical background, but a firm understanding of money and its history. The most important feature that the digital coins have is that you never have the "we won't do this project, because there is no money"-problem, which was what happened in 1929. There were workers, people wanting to eat, and factories, but no money. Initially, it does seem rather complicated to make these kinds of credit coins contract (see the movie), but if one were to label ever product with a number (which already happens for a lot of products (e.g. a soda)), then it wouldn't really be a problem. What are your thoughts on digital coin? P.S. Is the guy from OpenTransactions also on this forum? It seems he has the broadest technical view as he has implemented a very wide range of systems and documented these on his website. The overall idea proposed by Paul is a VERY intriguing concept... And, from my viewpoint, they seem very much in concert with Bitcoin concepts... just an EXPANSION of the Bitcoin idea... from being only about VALUE... into the world of CREDIT... Self-created credit. Automatically-adjusted-value credit. And Interest-Free credit. Very interesting. Credit coins are a popular idea on alternative money sites. The usual set up is slightly different than what you are putting forth though, rather than 20 BTC of your services they are worth a time increment of your time. This would allow for them to be worth more than 20 btc, whereas only a fool would pay more than 20btc for a voucher that can only be redeemed for 20btc worth of services. if it is worth an hour however it could be worth 20btc now, and considerably more in the future as you become more recognized or more trained. |
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I'm a bit more then just a socialist and I know bitcoin is a step towards getting away from government/corporation authority and control. After that it will help move into a classless society and possibly money will be abolished altogether.
Is it just me, or is there something not quite right with someone who is "more than a socialist" but yet wants to eliminate or reduce government? Bitcoin is a pure capitalist system, and, honestly, the past N years of capitalism don't seemed to have worked out so great for society - witness A) the BP oil spill and countless other environmental disasters, B) the continuously widening gap between rich & poor right throughout all western (& other) society. Are you sure, bober182, that you're not a closet anarchist? I'm enjoying this thread - much of it has been discussed before (see https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=376.0). There is an important point which I think many people are missing. As some of you have pointed out, bitcoins only have value if you spend them. There is no point in hoarding 99% of all bitcoins. However, if you become "The Bitcoin Bank" and lend at interest, then as "Money as Debt" says, you will continue accumulating more and more bitcoins. As people pay you back, you'll naturally have to find a way to spend them, or loan them again. BUT, when people can't pay you back, you get to repossess their physical property. This is why interest can't really work. Interest does nothing other than increase the wealth of the wealthy, at the expense of those in poverty. And *that's* the clincher - bitcoins have value only insofar as they can help you obtain property. But if you can get the property another way, well, then bitcoins just become a tool. Now, if you can *inflate* your currency, or tax it, then maybe you can mitigate the accumulation, at least until the wealthy people become so powerful as to dictate tax & inflation policy to the policy-makers. Anarchism has been a socialist movement longer than it has been a capitalist one. There is no contradiction in being a socialist and also against government. I think you may be conflating socialist and authoritarian, and the two are not the same. |
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I don't think teenagers like chess very much.
Yes. We have disgressed a bit. And you don't need a graphic card to play chess anyway. We just need to develop a resource intensive checkers game.... wait. WTF were we talking about? I've fantasized about how games could be designed that have well defined rules that humans would have an advantage over computers for the farthest into the future. Go is the right sort of thing. How can we make a game more Go-like than Go? games with hidden information that involve reading facial cues and such (poker for instance) are going to be dominated by humans for a very long time. That doesn't translate to the internet mind you, as the cues get simplified to raises and such. Even playing live facial cues are not going to matter when playing against a computer. If you have 3 humans and one computer they will. |
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There is another aspect of it - regarding paying taxes Let's say, for the argument's sake, that I am willing to pay the taxes.
What if I sell goods at the price I got them (however, I buy them for Euro - and sell them for Bitcoins)? I will be able to produce receipts for the goods I bought - and show the "tax office clerk" the bitcoin rate at the time of sale, that would prove that I did not make any profit on that transaction (not even in Bitcoins). As a matter of fact this is the way I am going to do it - I don't want to make Bitconis on it - I just want to encourage people to start buying goods for them.
What do you guys think, would they have something on me then?
I was thinking it would be cool if there was a site, call it something like OfficialBitcoinExchange.com, and have it fail if people ever try to trade coins for more than $0.01/BTC. Sure there wouldn't be much volume, but for a small fee the site can print you some official looking exchange history and that's the paperwork I'm going to submit. That is tax fraud, and they will get you for it. If you were being paid in gold would this scam work? If not, it wont work for bitcoin either. I am absolutely not going to do what I described. But can you tell me which site has the 'correct' exchange rate? An aggregate of the exchanges dealing in the currency of the country you live in would seem like the answer to me. I'd ask a tax professional to get a definitive answer though. |
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I just want to check and make sure people have had good experiences with these guys,. I haven't seen anyone post any good or bad.
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There is another aspect of it - regarding paying taxes Let's say, for the argument's sake, that I am willing to pay the taxes.
What if I sell goods at the price I got them (however, I buy them for Euro - and sell them for Bitcoins)? I will be able to produce receipts for the goods I bought - and show the "tax office clerk" the bitcoin rate at the time of sale, that would prove that I did not make any profit on that transaction (not even in Bitcoins). As a matter of fact this is the way I am going to do it - I don't want to make Bitconis on it - I just want to encourage people to start buying goods for them.
What do you guys think, would they have something on me then?
I was thinking it would be cool if there was a site, call it something like OfficialBitcoinExchange.com, and have it fail if people ever try to trade coins for more than $0.01/BTC. Sure there wouldn't be much volume, but for a small fee the site can print you some official looking exchange history and that's the paperwork I'm going to submit. That is tax fraud, and they will get you for it. If you were being paid in gold would this scam work? If not, it wont work for bitcoin either. |
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