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1101  Economy / Economics / Re: Big inflation opportunity on: September 28, 2010, 11:05:08 PM
He won't sell you all his coins but will sell with 10x lower rate than usual. No one then will sell their bitcoins because he will ALWAYS have the better (cheaper) rate. No one will have a chance to sell a bitcoin for MONTHS. People will start panic and sell at whatever rate and then quit bitcoin forever. That's what I'm talking about.

This would lower the rate for bitcoins dramatically.  It wouldn't ruin anything.  Bitcoins used to be that low, and they weren't ruined.

Whoever this person is with the huge quantities of bitcoins would be taking a loss on the electricity he had invested to generate the bitcoins, unless he played it smart and only sold them for slightly less than the market, in which case it would not be the dramatic crash you are concerned with.  Even if he did dramatically crash bitcoins this would allow other people to buy a lot of coins very cheap and he would then have run out (depending on how cheap he makes them) At which point the coins would have a chance to rally and start back up again.
1102  Economy / Economics / Re: Reputation and game theory on: September 28, 2010, 10:59:41 PM
I haven't seen it yet but I'd really like to see a reputation site where people's opinions can be ranked.  So, for instance, Alice can say that Bob is a good guy, and that she value's Bob's judgement highly.  Giving him a 10 out of 10 on both.  Bob feels that Carl is a good guy, giving him a 10 as well.  if Bob is the only opinion that Alice has placed any trust in then she'll also give  Carl a 10.  Meanwhile if she has ranked Donna as a 5 on her judgement scale, and Donna gives Carl a 0 (calling him a thief) then Alice's ranking of Carl is going to be 6.6 (since she values Donna's judgement half as much as she does Bob's) This would weed out people ranking themselves, since none of their many accounts would be highly valued by anyone else. 
1103  Economy / Marketplace / Re: BiddingPond.com discussion on: September 27, 2010, 06:13:17 AM
This seems to be a problem for many people.

Either there are too few bitcoins created so far and the USD value is too low.

or

People could buy enough at the Bitcoin exchanges but don't trust them enough to buy big chunks of it.

My problem isn't that there aren't enough bit coins it's that I don't have that much disposable income.
1104  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Thug Insurance.... on: September 27, 2010, 06:10:42 AM
Damaging someone's property is an extremely arbitrary category and that is where a lot of the difficulties are going to arise.  It will be really important for an organization like this to spell out quite clearly what situations they will not cover.

That aside, yes I do think this is something which would be a good idea.  Whether as an insurance company or as a legal defense fund. 

My point was that the property damage was the crime as there is an obvious victim while smoking a joint has no victim. The state cant be a victim as it does not exist,except in people's minds. Also putting someone in jail means people are then forced to pay taxes to support them sitting in a cell rather than allowing them to make their victim whole financially which means the victim suffers and the state gets to look like its "tough on crime". That's a pretty warped system we have.

No victim= No crime. Its not that hard to judge  Smiley




So you wont cover copyright infringement?  That's one of the areas that bitcoin has been proposed as a facilitator.
1105  Economy / Marketplace / Re: BiddingPond.com discussion on: September 26, 2010, 08:47:26 PM
I saw both an Ipad and a dell notebook for sale.  I would have bid on them but I don't have enough capital to do so at the moment.  I hope they both go for a fair price.
1106  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Thug Insurance.... on: September 26, 2010, 08:23:55 PM
Damaging someone's property is an extremely arbitrary category and that is where a lot of the difficulties are going to arise.  It will be really important for an organization like this to spell out quite clearly what situations they will not cover.

That aside, yes I do think this is something which would be a good idea.  Whether as an insurance company or as a legal defense fund. 
1107  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitpredict Update Thread on: September 25, 2010, 10:55:08 PM
Not wanting to step on anyone's toes here, but I like the unethical possibility. Not that I want to start any unethical event prediction, but I do want to be able to do so, if I choose to Smiley

Well I hope we can at least agree that an assassination market would be wrong and to be avoided...

Hush, that's one of those details that it is best not to discuss.
1108  Economy / Economics / Re: Stable Exchange Rate? on: September 25, 2010, 08:09:53 AM
A stable exchange rate will be a good thing in the long run.  It will mean less upkeep for businesses.  Any period of sudden inflation or deflation means price instabilities and confusion because not only is the current price different but the seller and buyer cannot be sure that the price will be the same tomorrow. 

I do expect bitcoins to continue upward for a while.  I don't know what their equilibrium level will be and I also expect them to act as a hedge against dollar inflation and move upwards relative to dollars at a fairly slow rate, however I do hope that they settle at a relatively stable spot relative to standard goods and services because that will give them more utility as a medium of exchange.

One of the reasons Dollar's are useful as a medium of exchange is because their worth, while continually slowly decreasing, is decreasing at a relatively known rate.  If I agree on a price I know what that price means as far as opportunity cost, both now and later.

A fluctuating currency has unknown opportunity costs which makes commerce much less certain.
1109  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitpredict Update Thread on: September 25, 2010, 08:03:13 AM
sorry if this question was asked already:
what will the    
bitcoin prediction market
actually predict?

People put up a bet on things that they will think will happen. For example, who will get elected in 2012 US presidental election. Will the republican take over congress? The marketshare of the search engines. It will be mostly be something specific and easy to verify.
that would be fantastic. I am ready to join!

Well, some bets will be excluded on what the site operator and me thinks it will encourage dangerous and unethical events to happen. Examples are not up for discussion.

I am curious if your sites design will be open source.  Certain dangerous or possibly unethical predictions were one of the advantages I saw to bitcoin, although, obviously, you would not want to be the site admin responsible for allowing such predictions to be made.
1110  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Equity Market on: September 24, 2010, 05:02:38 PM
At a first glance the idea sounds interesting, but you're suggesting to create an unofficial stock market. Being unofficial, no enforcement of any kind would be available. You can't enforce companies to publish real data, or even to pay owed dividends. You can't enforce decision power to be given to someone that buys enough stocks either...

Just a remark, not saying it couldn't work.

This isn't quite true.  What's true is that government enforcement won't exist.  That doesn't mean that alternate enforcement mechanisms couldn't be put into place.
1111  Economy / Marketplace / Re: The Niche List on: September 24, 2010, 06:15:10 AM

I was thinking that it might make sense to decentralize the sweatshop to reduce overhead and make the micropayments to workers with bitcoin.
What possible legit captcha breaking activities would there be? What uses would it be to other bitcoin users, and what possible benefit would there be for the community?

I dunno man, making 4000 gmail accounts to forward that email that makes Bill Gates give 1000 rainbows to dieing children?

I don't know legit uses, but I hate solving them, especially that IRC one and I'd pay .5BTC if I could click and make it solved.

Just a niche I thought of, prolly a bad one.

Just pay .5BTC that prove you are human. If you can make spammers pay for everything they spam, you have done well.

That works as an e-mail tax.  Doesn't work so well in the case of captchas, which are usually for registration on a site.  .5 is not enough to discourage a spammer form registering and too much to attach as a charge for every post.

.5 * 1000 is 500 bitcoin. .5 * 10000 or so is 5,000 bitcoin. .5 * 100000 is 50,000 bitcoin. Imagine if the spammer want to register million of time across sites. The cost will run up very quick.

Well, of course, you can adjust the price of posting a little bit.

A spammer doesn't need to register millions of times though, just once per site.  Then he just sends millions of messages.
1112  Economy / Marketplace / Re: The Niche List on: September 24, 2010, 05:39:25 AM

I was thinking that it might make sense to decentralize the sweatshop to reduce overhead and make the micropayments to workers with bitcoin.
What possible legit captcha breaking activities would there be? What uses would it be to other bitcoin users, and what possible benefit would there be for the community?

I dunno man, making 4000 gmail accounts to forward that email that makes Bill Gates give 1000 rainbows to dieing children?

I don't know legit uses, but I hate solving them, especially that IRC one and I'd pay .5BTC if I could click and make it solved.

Just a niche I thought of, prolly a bad one.

Just pay .5BTC that prove you are human. If you can make spammers pay for everything they spam, you have done well.

That works as an e-mail tax.  Doesn't work so well in the case of captchas, which are usually for registration on a site.  .5 is not enough to discourage a spammer form registering and too much to attach as a charge for every post.
1113  Economy / Marketplace / Re: The Niche List on: September 24, 2010, 05:12:18 AM
Does anyone know about the captcha solving business? Seems you could play .02BTC or something and resell them bulk slightly higher. I've heard $2-3/1000. If people would do them at .02 you would be turning 20BTC into $2.

I don't know the details though. Who buys them? Do they want particular ones solved on demand or is a solved batch good for something?

Not sure what you are talking about. I thought of bitcoin as a captcha itself. The theory goes that bitcoin are valuable stuff that spammers are reluctant to spend.

There are 'sweatshops' in India(?), China(?) that have people solving captchas and selling them in bulk to hackers(?). I'm just remembering a bit of an article I read a while back.

I was thinking that it might make sense to decentralize the sweatshop to reduce overhead and make the micropayments to workers with bitcoin.

spammers, not hackers.
1114  Economy / Economics / Re: Stable Exchange Rate? on: September 24, 2010, 03:13:16 AM
Agree!

One route to broaden bitcoins is to increase activity and have more people sell stuff at BIDDINGPOND.COM

Currently, there are too few sellers. If some folks start selling there, this could change the game.

Too few buyers! People are selling money over there and it's going way under value.

Selling money on biddingpond is silly.  Well, I guess not if it is money that isn't traded through one of the exchanges, but selling dollars or euros there is silly.

I am kind of surprised there is not a Russian exchange, considering how many Russian members the baord has.

There already is a Russian exchange. Look in the marketplace forum.

So there is, I missed it.
1115  Economy / Economics / Re: Stable Exchange Rate? on: September 23, 2010, 11:16:43 PM
Agree!

One route to broaden bitcoins is to increase activity and have more people sell stuff at BIDDINGPOND.COM

Currently, there are too few sellers. If some folks start selling there, this could change the game.

Too few buyers! People are selling money over there and it's going way under value.

Selling money on biddingpond is silly.  Well, I guess not if it is money that isn't traded through one of the exchanges, but selling dollars or euros there is silly.

I am kind of surprised there is not a Russian exchange, considering how many Russian members the baord has.
1116  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Losing Critical Mass and Call to Action on: September 23, 2010, 08:58:42 PM
Link didn't work for me.  What is the game called?

It's called Minesweeper.  Try this link: http://apps.facebook.com/sweepmines/

Still doesn't seem to work.  I see a minesweeper game, but it looks like ti is just the standard windows game, no option to buy anything with bitcoins
1117  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How have you earned your Bitcoins? on: September 23, 2010, 07:47:06 PM
I have generated 150 bitcoins,  I wouldn't count those as earned though.  I have also earned 70 bitcoins for a tarot card reading (60 coin fee plus a 10 bitcoin tip) And I have purchased 200 bitcoins through MTgox.  I don't know if gaining bitcoins through speculation on MTgox and bitcoin market count as earning either, since you aren't really doing any productive labor.
1118  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Personalized gifts for Bitcoins on: September 23, 2010, 07:38:46 PM
The site is a bit confusing.  Looks like you have some nice products, but information on how things work, if it is there, is not easily available.  Some info on how the gifts are personalized and how much this might effect cost would be good, shipping info also.  A search function would also make the site that much simpler to navigate and purchase from.  Easily accessible info on payment forms accepted, which includes the fact that you accept bitcoins (could mention that you are taking them at the current exchange rate at MTgox or bitcoin market as well, otherwise you'll have to set bitcoin prices in addition to dollar prices.)

This could actually be a very nice way to send a completely anonymous gift.  Could be fun for doing secret santa in a security paranoid company or an online situation.
1119  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Equity Market on: September 23, 2010, 07:32:06 PM
I don't think there is enough value extant in bitcoins to support an IPO on any business of more than very marginal size at the moment. I may be wrong though.  Also I know that the required initial investment on many online businesses is extremely small and could potentially be created via a bitcoin IPO.
1120  Economy / Economics / Re: Walmart.com on: September 23, 2010, 07:30:38 PM
I pay for all my drugs and hookers with FRNs.

Wal-mart isn't going to accept bitcoin, period, until after a monetary revolution. It doesn't matter if the top ten google hits are "Good Christian Soldiers Doing God's Work Need Your Bitcoins" or "CL Hooker accepts Bitcoin." or "Evil Agorist Tax Dodgers Use Bitcoin." Wal-mart doesn't accept Paypal AFAIK.

It's akin to saying that Hollywood studios aren't going to produce DVDs or Blue-Rays becase the porn industry adopted and pushed them first. (Along with everything else) It's absurd, and far from the point. Porn sites accept Paypal too, you know, along with every other shady enterprise.

I guess this is the hardcore agorist in me. I honestly don't care if Wal-mart accepts bitcoin or not, and I do not believe that it should be a major focus of bitcoin at large. When the time comes, Wal-mart will have no choice.

My .00002 BTC.


I don't think porn sites do accept paypal.  Not because they don't want to, but because paypal has been known to freeze and seize their accounts.  Paypal sees themselves as a moral arbeiter and won't allow the purchase of tobacco or alcohol with paypal.  I am pretty sure they also don't allow porn.
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