S povećanjem nagrade na 10% po bloku sigurno će doći do povećanja broja Secure nodove jer im isplativost raste cca. 3x (s 3.5% na 10%) što bi u teoriji još trebalo dignuti potražnju za novčićima.
Da li dobro zaključujem da je uz pretpostavku istog broja novčića u Secure nodovima i Super nodovima a zanemarujući cijenu VPSa isplativost po novčiću jednaka?
Jer ako je to točno onda će sigurno više novčića biti zarobljeno u Secure nodovima za koje je lakše sakupiti potreban broj novčića.
Već duže vrijeme razmišljam da napravim jedan Secure nod ali nikako da uhvatim vremena da to i probam napraviti jer mi tu ima dosta toga novoga što bih trebao naučiti.
Imam nekoliko tehničkih pitanja u vezi Secure nodova, ako mi možeš pomoći bio bih ti zahvalan.
1. Razmišljao sam da ne zakupljujem VPS nego da na rudaru koji je i onako 24/7 upaljen napravim Secure node. Da li je to moguće ili postoji neko ograničenje?
2. Da li je potrebna statička IP adresa ili je moguće koristiti Dynamic DNS?
I još jedno pitanje u vezi Super nodova da li će svih 500 ZENova morati biti na istoj T adresi ili mogu biti razdijeljeni na više adresa? Kako je 500 ZENova prilično vrijedno razmišljam o udruživanju s drugim pojedincima zainteresiranima za super nod.
1) Ako postavljate na kućni pc/rig (linux) onda ruter treba prosljeđivati portove 80 i 9033 na vaš ip. isto Važi i za virtualnu mašinu, ali morate koristiti bridged networking onda dobiti ip od vm i proslediti portove.. 2) Mora statička IP adresa. https://blockoperations.com/how-to-build-and-operate-a-zencash-secure-node/https://securenodes.na.zensystem.io/aboutTeško je doći do prave informacije šta je isplativije, Secure ili Super nodovi. Uzmimo jedan primer imate samo 42 Zen-a, i čuvate ih u svom novčaniku, onda samo treba da napravite nod i imaćete pasivan prihod. 10% od svakog bloka. Ovo je idealno za male investitore koji imaju ograničena sredstva. Potrebno je zakupiti server i naći svoju računicu (u zavisnosti od cene Servera). Za relativno "malo para" možete imati svoj nod. (Većina na ovom forumu to sebi može da priušti). Super Nodovi su više za ozbiljnije investitore koji imaju dosta Zen-a a neće da se zavitlavaju sa 10 servera i podešavanjima, mnogo je jednostavnije podići jedan server nego u ovom slučaju 12. Takođe udruživanje može da predstavlja dobar izbor za mnoge. Mislim da Super Nodovi imaju malu prednost u ovom slučaju. 500 Zena mora biti na jednoj T adresi, stejkovano - nema "mrdanja". |
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certainly not a huge amount of resources. Its been done a few times already and it was the right move. The only acceptable response to ASIC for a project like ZEN is a fork and anything else is a coward move/decision.
I dont even understand why the fork isnt already announced.
For large decisions that can have significant effects, I like to do a worst case/best case exercise. Identify the worst outcome of a decision, and balance it against the best case of the decision. It helps to actually quantify things in doing this as well.
Furthermore, part of this decision should be reviewing what the goals of the ZenCash project are and how the decisions to be made are consistent with the goals.
There are people making hardware purchasing decisions about this, and if too much of the entrenched hashrate comes from miners running ZenCash ASIC's then over time there will be a group of people wanting to maintain that hashrate. Making a decision on the direction to go is something that should be made withing a reasonable time period.
Choices under discussion so far that I have seen:
Do not change ZenCash Equihash algorithm
Modify the ZenCash Equihash algorithm to require more memory by changing parameters
Change the ZenCash algorithm to a different one already in use
Change the ZenCash algorithm to a completely new one
One of the things I have noticed as a cryptocurrency miner is that the cryptocurrency that is the first to have a new algorithm in many cases becomes the lead of that mining class. It may be because the ones that have their own algorithms also have developers that continue to create and improve the cryptocurrency, so it may be more due to the long term effect of active developers, and the same effect could be obtained by continued active development on the project. Rolf Versluis
https://github.com/ZencashOfficial/zen/issues/142 |
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The thing is moving to asic resistance is possible but it would require huge amount of resources(modfiing zen,modifing securenodes,modifing pools) modifing nearly everyting related to zen. It is possible but it will push Supernodes and other zen projects behind by years.
I think Rowan gave best explanations about Team's concerns.. This new miner is either an FPGA with on board RAM (quite likely) or a full blown ASIC with some kind of very fancy (and expensive) linked memory module.
If it's an FPGA we're dealing with, finding an algorithm that you couldn't just reprogram the FPGA to mine will be extremely difficult. If it's an ASIC, the task of creating some kind of incompatibility by modifying or switching algo's would obviously be considerably easier.
Problem is, we have no technical specs for the Z9 so we could potentially put a load of effort into something that would only take a few days to reconfigure the Z9 to mine...
So I think we should spend some time trying to figure out what we're actually up against before trying to formulate a plan. Rowan Stonehttps://github.com/ZencashOfficial/zen/issues/142 |
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wow, that was both sad and pathetic. What a coward... XMR did the right thing and I just dont understand why ZEN wont do the same thing. No, he was realistic, no one is safe from ASIC, it is matter of time.. Rolf is also middle sized miner, don't forget this. We are monitoring and evaluation next steps. We don't have an official statement at this moment. |
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Cek, jel ovo sad ide sa 42 ZEN na 500 potrebnih za supernode kolateral? To menja pricu u potpunosti
 Razlike u hardverskim zahtevima između ove dve klase nodova  Sada je ukupni skup nagrada za operatore nodova je 20%, a ovo je i glavna velika promena na našem sistemu. Kao što se vidi povećan je iznos za riznicu na 10%. Pripremamo sistem glasanja, a povećanje od 1,5% je za prevladavanje apatije birača, učesnicima glasanja će biti plaćeno. Ta sredstva su nagrada za učesnike, i ovo daje pozitivnu inicijativu za učešte u ovom sistemu. Detalji o ovom mehanizmu nagrađivanja učesnika biće objavljeni sa više detalja o sistemu glasanja koji je upravo u IOHK prototip verziji. Hostovanje različitih zen servisa koji će zahtevati saglasnost cele mreže ukoliko bude potrebe za izmenama, tako da ni jedan centralni autoritet kao DAO neće imati mogućnost samostalnog delovanja. ZenCash na ovaj način migrira sa kripto valute na koncept platforme. Uvođenjem ove nove klase nodova koji će postojati uporedo sa Sigurnosnim Nodovima. Ovo će omogućiti integraciju mnogih servisa na ovoj platformi a samim tim i povećati upotrebljivost ovog sistema. |
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without doubt anonymity is a boon for all foreign exchange traders, I'm more interested in how they react to the anonymity of the countries that are fighting with blokchain precisely for this reason, in a number of countries you will not be allowed to exist
ZenHide
Domain fronting is a versatile censorship circumvention technique that hides the remote endpoint of a communication.
It works at the application layer, using HTTPS, to communicate with a forbidden host while appearing to communicate with some other host, permitted by the censor. The key idea is the use of different domain names at different layers of communication. One domain appears on the “outside” of an HTTPS request–in the 9 DNS request and TLS Server Name Indication, while another domain appears on the “inside”–in the HTTP Host header, invisible to the censor under HTTPS encryption. A censor, unable to distinguish fronted and non-fronted traffic to a domain, must choose between allowing circumvention traffic and blocking the domain entirely, which results in expensive collateral damage. Domain fronting does not require special cooperation by network intermediaries. We identify a number of hard-to-block web services, such as content delivery networks, that support domain-fronted connections and are useful for censorship circumvention. |
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ASIC resistance discussion started in Github. There is no emergency. The blockchain works, mining with GPU's is still profitable, and no short term risks of a fork by Bitmain running many Z3's. We have time to talk about this before deciding what to do
Rolf Versluis
https://twitter.com/RolfVersluis/status/992130841299050496This new miner is either an FPGA with on board RAM (quite likely) or a full blown ASIC with some kind of very fancy (and expensive) linked memory module.
If it's an FPGA we're dealing with, finding an algorithm that you couldn't just reprogram the FPGA to mine will be extremely difficult. If it's an ASIC, the task of creating some kind of incompatibility by modifying or switching algo's would obviously be considerably easier.
Problem is, we have no technical specs for the Z9 so we could potentially put a load of effort into something that would only take a few days to reconfigure the Z9 to mine...
So I think we should spend some time trying to figure out what we're actually up against before trying to formulate a plan. Rowan Stonehttps://github.com/ZencashOfficial/zen/issues/142 |
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ZENCASH do many things that it already exists on other crypto. I don't see much new. As the decentralized uPort blockchain application for data and identity. Or like the decentralized Woleet blockchain application for folders, which also installs in the LEDGER to confirm the identity of folders. As cryptonote that already make encrypted messages under payment by their token.
And I see all the blockchain sites that proclaim themselves the best anonymous. We know the publicity, we need to soften the sentences. There's nothing to celebrate.
ZenCash is collection of products and services..We are not focused only on private transactions.. ZenCash have 10k Secure Nodes online and most decentralized and resilient network and this is fact. Those are not ordinary nodes. They have specific hardware and security requirements. All comunication between nodes, wallet and nodes is crypted. Super Nodes will encircle this story : The two major improvements Super Nodes bring are to transition tracking and payments on-chain, or within protocol, a major change from the current system where such functions are executed on external server clusters; and the introduction of sidechaining elevates the ZenCash system from a pure cryptocurrency to a platform on which an unbounded set of services can be built. The value proposition of the system then becomes more than the utility of the currency, but now includes the utility of all future services that will be layered onto our infrastructure. A small sampling of such services which are already in planning include a distributed file storage system (ZenPub), a secure messaging system (ZenChat), a computation-for-rent system akin to AWS’s Lambda Functions (ZenGrid), zero-delay payments (InstantZen), and a decentralized exchange (ZenXchange) with a fully-collateralized price-stable asset called ZenUSD (USDZ). |
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Neko ocekivanje kako ce se odraziti na cenu i eventualni ROI za supernode?
Procentualno je i dalje prilicno "slab" odnos. Visoka cena ulaganja za vrlo mali mesecni prihod.
http://supernodes.lebre.net/U prvom slučaju kao što sam predstavio na slici 5000x500=2.5M i dalje postoji solidna isplativost ali ogromna količina Zen-a je zarobljena na ovaj način, ovakva potražnja sigurno će usloviti skok cene pa je profitabilnost u ovom slučaju nerealno mala. U drugom slučaju manji broj nodova je igri, ali 1000x500=500k i dalje predstavlja veliku količinu Zen-a, oba slučaja će izazvati rast cene. Ako ne značajan skok onda postepeno povećanje usled povećanog interesovanja za Super Nodove. U svakom slučaju oni koji prvi uđu u ovu igru imaće i najveće koristi, pa vođen ovom logikom predpostavljam da će biti i veće interesovanje u samom startu. |
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 Najavljen je hardfork za početak Juna, ovo će uticati na sve menjačnice, majning pulove i novčanike! |
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Looking forward hearing some official statement.
I believe the (ZEN) community is against ASICs and would like a fork...
Monero BTG and Zclassic declared war on centralized ASICs.
Whats your status on this issue?
So far there is no official statement on this topic. Team evaluating situation. |
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been minig on it for 5 days now & still no payment.. I will check about this on discord channel with other miners. |
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Will Zen Cash fork in response to the Bitmain ASIC?
10k sols for 2k$$
I think that works about to 8k$$ worth of 1060s to get that many sols, pretty much will push equihash coins to ASIC only if it the Miner is uncontested with a fork.
We are monitoring and evaluation next steps. We don't have an official statement at this moment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urFBTcSuKlk&t=550sStart watching this video at 36th minute, Rolf did really good clarifications... |
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I feel like I'm seeing a lot of showmanship and publicity to incite. To get to $1,000 is a number you put by chance, it shows. If you knew a little better the crypto, the 1000 dollars must that the BTC largely exceeds 20K.
We are not blinded with value in Dollars, we really trying to create something really useful. And if you go back through pages you will only find informations about progress and future plans..There is no much talk about paper money. Value of Zen will increase how project grows, as seen in previous period. |
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Great News! I just read the blog post. Can't wait for the voting feature which incentives to participate  But according to the article this is not gonna be live before Q3, right? IOHK is delivering the ZenCash DAO Treasury and Voting proof of concept in 2Q 2018. It is in prototype mode at IOHK right now, we all are waiting good update on this. |
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