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Potential investors:
just think about how hard it would be to run a service through which you could actually invest in real stock, whoever runs the service must get dollars and use traditional channels to buy the stock. You would run into so many difficulties and terrible risk.
Most people will not make profit trading in the stock market. That means it would be easy for TorBroker not to hold any real stock, just say so and pay people from their own investments, while still making it possible to allow people to withdraw. Kind of simulated betting. On top of that, they charge fees so it is even easier. They could be paying from their own pockets, too, since this is the kind of scam that would be worth for the scammer to invest their own money in.
Consider that it is a damned Tor hidden service where you're sending your money.
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I do. Sometimes I pay my bills with it using the bittiraha.fi service, that can be used to make payments into European bank accounts. E-banking systems here are very handy but that service is even faster.
Sometimes I make transactions with friends overseas and then I use bitcoins exclusively, bank transfers outside Europe are not very convenient. Also I've used a bitcoin payment gateway for the last couple of eBay/Amazon transactions because it was more convenient than PayPal.
Also I guess many people here have used Silk Road to buy something nice but the won't tell it here, not the more established members at least. Most Finnish bitcoiners under 40 that I know of have done it, now there is even a dedicated Finnish version of the Silk Road, but I guess also that it is more popular here than in some other countries, because the traditional channels for those things aren't the best here, in a small and sparsely populated country.
There are a few of new silk roads, and they aren't that famous (for a lack of better term), which is good. I know. But a national version is interesting, too. |
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what about lost address can i make 1000 new adress and hope some one to make that addressees ands send money to it
Yes, you can make for example ten million addresses very easily and then hope someone else makes the same address and uses it at some point. Is is extremely unlikely, anyway. You are better off if you get a word/phrase list and create bitcoin addresses from them using some popular way to do that. You would even actually make some money then, people scan these addresses right now. You can try this, generate a brainwallet with some trivial passphrase and send some money there, see how quickly it disappears. To answer this thread, you cannot destroy bitcoins really but you can make them provably unspendable. Sending them to an address like 1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr is an option, but it is possible that there is a private key that corresponds to that address and that someone finds the key, although it is not believable. You still can make them provably impossible to spend, using the method described earlier on; that is, make them payable not to any address but to a script, you can make the script so that it is trivial to see the coins can never be spent. |
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I do. Sometimes I pay my bills with it using the bittiraha.fi service, that can be used to make payments into European bank accounts. E-banking systems here are very handy but that service is even faster.
Sometimes I make transactions with friends overseas and then I use bitcoins exclusively, bank transfers outside Europe are not very convenient. Also I've used a bitcoin payment gateway for the last couple of eBay/Amazon transactions because it was more convenient than PayPal.
Also I guess many people here have used Silk Road to buy something nice but the won't tell it here, not the more established members at least. Most Finnish bitcoiners under 40 that I know of have done it, now there is even a dedicated Finnish version of the Silk Road, but I guess also that it is more popular here than in some other countries, because the traditional channels for those things aren't the best here, in a small and sparsely populated country.
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Hmmh. I wrote I piece of code to simulate any fair positive-integer sided die or a deck of cards provided you have a fair 2-or-more sided die or a fairly shuffled deck of cards. I liked the deck of cards thing, it was nice as a dice simulation, no flying parts. Don't know if I can clean that code though if anyone would like to draw cards to make their private key... but it's fun for someone to code. It's a fun exercise to convert the cards to a number while allowing shuffling in the middle etc, suggested for any hobbyist coder. Maybe it's interesting to note that no finite amount of fair dice rolls with a die that has less than 3618502788666131106986593281521497120401173883721090761956411348172442546698 sides can be guaranteed to give a truly random (with equal chance for all possible keys) private key (similar to a 115792089237316195423570985008687907852837564279074904382605163141518161494336-sided dice roll). Fortunately reality isn't that harsh and more than 100 rolls with a six-sided die are rarely needed  |
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game looks interesting......
Why not try it out then  |
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Finally Californian people can pay taxes on their bitcoins.
Doesn't this mean, now they also have to pay taxes on bitcoin income? Not sure if that's so cool but nevertheless this is a great step for bitcoin. Marijuana already legal in California.
Bitcoin is just the next logical step.
That would have been LSD. |
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yeah creating fair game is important, I usually wont participate in a game that is not fair, lets come together and think of a way to help the OP improvise.
Can you see any problem with this arrangement? |
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Any feedback appreciated and welcome everyone who wants to play.
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I'm not talking about the probability of the next one. I'm saying with a extremely high number of bets, which is why i just chose 1000 that if you graph it out (depending on the house edge) 49.5% will be wins, and 50.5% will be loses. I understand every single event is independent of the previous ones, but the numbers at high values should always hover around the 49.5 and 50.5 mark.
So you agree that after 1000 tails, heads is no more probable? Then you must understand that this does not help you with betting at all. It is of no use predicting the outcome of any single bet, they are all the same. I mean, if you for some reason try to get a long streak of losses, you will probably have had a similar amount of wins and winning streaks before that. The statistics do go like that. But that will not affect anything you do in the future. It is the same as if you never had the previous results. It is analogous to flipping a coin. The history just does not matter. Or are you saying that the history somehow matters? Because trying to get losing streaks before betting big suggests that, and only that. Am I correct? If not, what is the reason for trying to get a losing streak if it did not (supposedly) matter for future bets? |
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The public key from blockexplorer.com worked for me previously for multisig transactions. AFAIK blockchain.info does not display the public key.
Maybe I put something else by mistake, it was the hash or something like that. Did you check my answer? It will take you two minutes that way. |
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I don't think it could ruin the game... why?
I just showed you it could (read my whole explanation to Kuverty). If everybody lose money in both team you are the only one who can win money there (with fees) And in my opinion if you don't do anything it's a problem which makes me hesitate to gamble again on your website.. I think you should consider Kuverty idea of increasing "jackpot" money to avoid this kind of behavior. You won't lose money because everybody would bet more to get it. And it will become very costly to ruin the game. You are right. And you may also suspect that it is the owner of the game who make those strange payments, right? Because the owner is the only one who "wins" in such case. Well, I think the solution could be to introduce absolutely transparent rules of how the fees are transformed to future rounds' jackpots. Now we make it manually (simply: what is left after we pay costs like advertising, goes to jackpot), but we should be more transparent. Give us some time please to think about it. There are more alternatives how to transform fees to jackpots: straight to next round, or with some delay (24 hours?) or with some randomization, etc... It may also be combined with some sponsorship (combine game with faucet...). Yeah, think about it. And no, I did not suspect that the owner would do this... it would be benificial only in really short term (like, immediate term), it would just kill the game and why cheat if you are making profit off each game anyway. It just would not make sense for the owner to cheat like that. It would be suspicious for the owner if it wasn't so "obviously suspicious" and dumb... I am sure you will figure out a good fix! After all, that problem only applies when the bets are small since it is not reasonable to suspect the owner is cheating, just that someone is harassing others. When it costs a few dozen dollars to do that, I doubt anyone would like to do that just to pick on people. |
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Best strategy? Invest in the bankroll of Just-dice.  I suggest this. The profits are just huge, hard to beat them with any investment that actually works. What are the profit investing in JD now ? You can see the stats there, hard to give any accurate numbers except for really short-term but you could expect around 1 % per week on your investment. Pretty damn good. |
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I have used x3 and +100% on lose
Have made 0.5 BTC to 12 and 20 before but you need a lot of luck on that tho
Even with x4 and x5 .
Wow thats about 1000-2000% of profit you maked , hows that work at the end for you ? I got greedy and lose them all the end I was betting bigger and bigger without any strategy . Thats a watse , i am going to try bet doge coin with martingale and see how it goes. Does anyone have auto betting bot for dogedice ? Even if you bet 0.1 DOGE and have 1 million, you will bust out eventually... the little profit you could make is not worth it. You will lose it all if you keep doing it but you can still lose at any point. It just takes that one streak of 23 losses which will happen eventually, every 4 million times you try it or so. You can still lose a lot earlier, but you are not expected to make much profit. You would be better off just playing all the DOGE in one bet. If i bet 0.1 doge and i have 1 M doge 23 streak will take me down ? Yeah. Assuming a 50-50 chance and doubling after each loss, after one loss, you must put in 2 1*0.1 DOGE, after two losses it's 0.4 DOGE, after 23 losses you would have to bet 2 23*0.1 DOGE which is 838860.8 DOGE, almost a million. But you do not have this, because you already bet and lost 0.1+0.2+0.4+ ... + 419430.4 = 838860.7 DOGE in the previous losses, that means you can not use the martingale system any more. |
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Best strategy? Invest in the bankroll of Just-dice. I suggest this. The profits are just huge, hard to beat them with any investment that actually works. |
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Hi, I have a suggestion / reclamation. My english is not perfect because it's not my mothertongue, so you have to forgive me The possibility to gamble on both fishes should be forbidden. Betting on both side looks like a strange idea right ? But look @ yellowVSblue just right now: Adress "12JPNjfD1QGivFsJZ4S4wdvffYEMjiKAw2" He just gambled on both side so that almost everybody lose money. Maybe he's been frustrated to lose and has chosen to suicide the game.. not very funny and very much antigame.. It Shouldn't happen Or he hasn't understood mathematics.. Maybe.. (Your english is better than mine. ;-)) I don't think it could ruin the game... why? Just imagine him not as one schizophrenic person but as two people sharing one wallet. And, on the contrary, one player may use two or more wallets, so it would be pointless if we made some restrictions. To clarify this here, the problem is not actually in playing both sides at once. This is what got me too, at first, and I claimed cmichaud was wrong. There is a problem as he explained, but the problem isn't just exactly in playing both sides at once, although that was relevant because it was thought to be the malevolent player's motivation to ruin the game for the winning side, too as he had clearly lost his bets. So it kind of could be the problem. However, he would have ruined the game if he played on just the winning side, if his purpose was just to ruin the game. The problem is the last bet which makes no sense to make. The player is essentially wasting his money to make others lose. He is, by betting more money even though he cannot make it back, making other players' shares smaller to the extent that they can no longer get their bets back even thought they are on the winning side. So that does effectively ruin the game for all. Now, this is possible for someone to do because it is so cheap; the game is played with a few mBTC. If this happens a lot, people will stop playing. So, if you want to keep running your game I suggest slightly a different game or at the beginning, artificially raising the bets by using additional jackpot money for the winners. That would make it more profitable to play and make harassing other players more costly. |
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I answered this in the other thread but since this exists I think it's relevant to post this here as well: It is not that simple, I don't think you can see it from the wallet as it is. I do not use Multibit, though. One thing to note right away is that your address is generated using a cryptographic digest (hash) of your public key, so there is no way you can go back. It is not possible to compute the public key using your public bitcoin adress. You will need to use your private key to calculate that, there are some tools for this luckily and the easiest method I can think of is going to https://www.bitaddress.org and choosing "Wallet details". There you can input your private key in pretty much any format it happens to be in and it will calculate for you the public key, either in the 65-byte uncompressed format or the 33-byte compressed format, whichever you need. As far as I remember, the page also works offline so you can do that for security and you should, too. To see yout private key, export your private key to a file in Multibit and open the file in your favourite text editor. Can I ask, what do you plan using your public key for? |
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No, there is a point when if you gamble "too much" without according importance to the fees and to the total amount of money in game you can make your teammate lose money. According to that, you can imagine that a "stupid" enemy can decide to get revenge of you by making both team "lose" (he will lose money himself for sure, even more than you but whatever..). For exemple: If you look here, that's what happened to me: http://fishbitfish.com/yellowvsblue/#.U5bS5SgmyJk (Round 143 YELLOWvsBLUE!) 1) I'm in the blue team. And the 15Nc9z58z5CxYEgGbh5HvNmdLnCNnpeVJq 0.007 BTC bet was mine. It was a winning bet because the sharing result was superior to 0.007 just when it was confirmed (but not at the end of the game and I'll explain why). 2) My "enemy" decides to bet against himself (the 12JPNjfD1QGivFsJZ4S4wdvffYEMjiKAw2 0.018 BTC). His bet is huge relative to the total of BTC in the game. That fact leads to two different bad things: a) Bad for him: His bet is a losing bet. With the high fees and this quantity of money in the game he can't expect to win anything (sharing part = 0.01486089 BTC, for an initial bet of 0.018) and he makes his whole team lose. b) Bad for the winning team: The "blue" team loses money because the sharing part goes "down" because of his bet. According to that my 00.7 BTC is finally a losing bet with only 0.00589730 BTC sharing result. 3) Here we can make a discount : Yellow team: Everybody LOSE Blue team:1st bet : 0.0007 BTC ==> sharing part: 0.00114364 BTC ==> WIN 2nd bet: 0.005 BTC ==> sharing part: 0.00488779 BTC ==> LOSE 3nd bet: 0.002 BTC ==> sharing part: 0.00192981 BTC ==> LOSE 4nd bet: 0.003 BTC ==> sharing part: 0.00259809 ==> LOSE 5nd bet: 0.002 BTC ==> sharing part: 0.00589730 BTC ==> LOSE SUICIDE BET : 6nd bet: 0.018 BTC ==> sharing part: 0.01486089 BTC ==> LOSE - AND MAKE EVERYBODY EXCEPT 1st BET LOSE Obviously this situation can also happen if your teammate just bet "too much" without any consideration for the fees and and the total of money your team can win. But what I don't like is the possibility for an enemy to "suicide" the game by frustration and to make almost everybody lose. Here, as you can see, the only one who won't lose money is the first blue bet with no fees that get back what they had gamble + a little part of the bonus. I don't know if I'm clear and hope you understand my explanation ^^ Yes I absolutely get it, the explanation was very clear. My apologies, I should have put better thought into it. That is a really strange way to play the game, I can not figure out why. Maybe it is frustration but also someone might find it fun to highlight a flaw in the game mechanics this way. Dunno though, it's hardly a flaw... it is pretty much cost-prohibitive to do that in the long run or with any bigger bets. Could it work just to add more money to the additional jackpots now? There would be some to share and that would naturally raise the bets and make ruining the games like that pretty costly. |
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Well I still haven't got the answer to my question: I'm using multibit and I want the Public Key (It's different than address) of my address, how do I get it? I don't want to know how a public key is calculated, I don't wanna read a dozen pages of math, I just want to know how to get it, period.
It is not that simple, I don't think you can see it from the wallet as it is. I do not use Multibit, though. One thing to note right away is that your address is generated using a cryptographic digest (hash) of your public key, so there is no way you can go back. It is not possible to compute the public key using your public bitcoin adress. You will need to use your private key to calculate that, there are some tools for this luckily and the easiest method I can think of is going to https://www.bitaddress.org and choosing "Wallet details". There you can input your private key in pretty much any format it happens to be in and it will calculate for you the public key, either in the 65-byte uncompressed format or the 33-byte compressed format, whichever you need. As far as I remember, the page also works offline so you can do that for security and you should, too. To see yout private key, export your private key to a file in Multibit and open the file in your favourite text editor. Can I ask, what do you plan using your public key for? |
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I have used x3 and +100% on lose
Have made 0.5 BTC to 12 and 20 before but you need a lot of luck on that tho
Even with x4 and x5 .
Wow thats about 1000-2000% of profit you maked , hows that work at the end for you ? I got greedy and lose them all the end I was betting bigger and bigger without any strategy . Thats a watse , i am going to try bet doge coin with martingale and see how it goes. Does anyone have auto betting bot for dogedice ? Even if you bet 0.1 DOGE and have 1 million, you will bust out eventually... the little profit you could make is not worth it. You will lose it all if you keep doing it but you can still lose at any point. It just takes that one streak of 23 losses which will happen eventually, every 4 million times you try it or so. You can still lose a lot earlier, but you are not expected to make much profit. You would be better off just playing all the DOGE in one bet. |
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