This shit is crazy.... It really looks like they are mining with our machines RIGHT NOW. I can think of no other way that hashpower could possibly magically appear Looks like a BFL replay... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=659828.0The drama of it all.... Holy Swashbucklers. There is nothing magical about it. They had atleast the same number of miners on order than the amount they presold. As more than half of their customers refunded, they now have atleast 9PH ready to deploy.
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Will p2pool be added soon?
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Apologies if this was answered previously, I'm very far behind on this thread.
From what I've read a Neptune is 5 boxes and draws 2100 watts and each box has 1 PCI-e 6-pin power cable, that means that each single power cable is 420 watts, when a 6-pin is rated at 75 watts. I know I've been running a November board and October boards at 190 to 200 watts on a single cable, and they get warm.... is there some mistake about the 1 PCI-e cable to power a 420 watt chip???
Technically the Neptune's boxes draw a total of ~1900W if you factor in AC/DC efficiency. Molex's PCI-E keyed parts are rated for 8A per pin, so ~24A. Which, at 12V gives you a rated operational power level of 288W. However, in reality when you load things 24/7 you should de-rate them by 80%, so really any competent EE would not have these connectors drawing over ~230W (~19A @ 12V) in this type of application. Now, we don't know the part number of the plug that KnC used, and some of Molex's Mini-fit Jr plugs handle up to 13A a pin which would allow ~468W running at their rating. De-rate that and you're at ~375W which is just shy of each cubes ~380W draw. TL;DR: There's 1 PCI-E cable per box, so yes: shitty Engineering. They just donīt give a shit, as their main deployment of these devices will be their DCs. With an ambient air temperature of ~0°C-15°C (depending on time of year) they are quite sure that THEIR connectors wonīt overheat. Now, i would be careful to run these at 30-35°C ambient temperature, as the wires will more easily start electrical fires then.
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How does the peering system work and what do incoming and outgoing peers do?
Are the outgoing peers downloading the sharechain from you because they havenīt got the complete list?
What happens when your node has no ingoing peers?
Does your peernetwork automatically grow with your nodesīonline time?
I read somewhere that you can also "force" your node to peer with a certain other node, is there a benefit in that?
Does a bigger peer network mean less orphaned shares? (as the found share should be distributed faster around the p2pool network)
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However, as a business Bitmine has to manage the risk involved in production and R&D.
They have to take steps to ensure customers funds can be returned in the event of failure, that is what a companyīs share capital or Investor money is for.
I am quite sure they have more than enough funds available, as they sold miners at 5$ per GH...
At this point in time they are lucky when people settle for their owed money back, as swiss contract law does allow people to claim resulting damages from not fulfilling a contract.
If at any point it becomes obvious that certain safety margins werenīt met, one might be able to sue for fraud.
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Well, with my estimate of more than half of the neptune orders refunded (because more than half the miners can do basic maths) and some people who went for the frankenjupiters, they have easily got 1000+ Neptunes to simply install in their DC.
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So all the smaller gridseeds too I have 4 and they mine 1.3khs still have not swiched them off or sell them as they dont consume much electrons..... and Love the red and green lights!!! Waiting a fury to be delivered will have more colors as the fury is blue
Electrons are not consumed when using electricity
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Thanks, so if you had the no-submit-stale option turned on, it wouldnīt submit valid Bitcoin blocks that are not considered a valid share?
Isnīt there some mechanism every node immediatly recognizes a valid block as such, as every node runs the full Bitcoin client?
I could be wrong here since it's been so long since I've mined on a p2pool with block times (ed: *over* a minute that is) under a minute, but I think it only detects the stale shares after a block.... but all shares should be submitted, as some share that's detected as stale (say, 1ms to 500ms late) could easily win an orphan race, esp. vs some of the pools that aren't set up quite right (propagate their blocks slowly). from personal experience, I've had a share that was detected as DOA solve a bitcoin block, back in 2012 Thanks again. Is the option to not send invalid shares in your miner or on the node? It seems like it should be a setting in the miner...
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Thanks, so if you had the no-submit-stale option turned on, it wouldnīt submit valid Bitcoin blocks that are not considered a valid share?
Isnīt there some mechanism every node immediatly recognizes a valid block as such, as every node runs the full Bitcoin client?
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Hey guys, i have a technical question concerning p2pool.
While shares can quite easily be DOA because of the ~60times faster sharechain, found bitcoin blocks shouldnīt become dead/orphaned that quickly, as they are then broadcast on to the Bitcoin network.
So what happens, when my found share would be a Bitcoin block but the p2pool node considers it a "late" share? Is it still passed on to the Bitcoin network?
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DOA rates (for shares) at Bitcoin p2pools are however atleast 2.5%.
Reducing the ping from 40ms to under 1ms improved my DOA rate from ~5% to 2.5%.
The main thing you should look out for is that your DOA rate is lower than the average P2Pool rate, as you will produce less invalid shares, which will in turn increase your payout per block.
Am I correct in the assumption that only shares "expire" within the 10 second timeframe and found blocks donīt expire that fast?
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Iceland node up and running! Preliminary stats page: http://192.71.218.197:9332/static/ Connect your miner to: 192.71.218.197:9332 The workername is your Bitcoin address. EXCELLENT ping from Thor Datacenter (Advania).
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Yeah, they must have a shitload one thosuand of their 20nm devices ready to deploy, as my guestimate is that more than half of their Neptune customers went for the refund.
They should be able to get around 15PH in one 10MW facility by now.
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Are you coming home today or tomorrow Tonight, but feel free to ask murdof to do the run command when he wakes from his afternoon nap. He has the login info Yeah, sorry about nagging but i am actually so hyped by the low ping i got before, so i might just try to message him.
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Are you coming home today or tomorrow
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Canīt wait till the Iceland node will be up tomorrow I am really looking forward to mining with such an excellent ping. How is the downloading of the blockchain doing? Is everything on track?
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My bet is we probably won't see any actual 20nm boxes hitting anytime this year. But by the middle of next year it's almost a certainty.
As already pointed out, knc is currently delivering 20nm miners. However, they are terribly overpriced and get "only" 0.6W/GH, a figure that can be achieved on 28 nm.
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Sorry, i was half asleep when posting, obviously i meant US manufacturer, as stated in the topic.
My point still stands though, 20nm first of all is not optimal for Bitcoin asics, as it is only meant as an intermediary half-node on the way to 16nm.
Second, there is much optimisation to be done on 28nm and like US car companies (the big ones anyway), except maybe tesla (which is tiny), i doubt that any US manufacturer will come up with an efficient solution. Maybe BFL really gets their claimed W/GH though, so i might be wrong on this one.
Spondoolies seems to be on a good path with their sp30 solution, which should get 0.45W/GH at the wall and is also professionally engineered.
KNC should get 0.6W/GH, but their price again is ridiculous, their business ethics are also highly questionable at this point.
What i am definately not wrong about is that both the (now bankrupt) HashFast and the always-late BFL shouldnīt be trusted in this game. Their retail prices for home miners are furthermore outrageous, ROI with these is impossible.
Again, their business ethics are nonexistant, so i wouldnīt order from them.
It seems like anywhere else in the world Bitcoin ASIC designs can be completed more or less on schedule, so i really hope these "bad" companies will go bankrupt in the longterm.
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Does anyone know where i can get the p2pool luck over ~ 1 year?
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sp30s should once again work with p2pool and 1000 6TH devices will be delivered in August.
Some of those will surely use p2pool.
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