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1201  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is doge dying off? on: December 27, 2013, 11:34:45 AM
Its not a bet that DOGE will not be worth more than it is now.
It is a bet that X dollars/yen/whatever put into bitcoin instead of into DOGE will be worth more in a year than if it was left in DOGE.
(If you sell your DOGE and buy Bitcoin instead or in other words sell your DOGE for Bitcoin, it will be worth more in a year than if you left it as DOGE.)
-MarkM-
Oh right. Thanks for explanation.
So its BTC ROI against DOGE ROI starting from now. That bet is definately more risky, since BTC is quite low at the moment. It can easily rise to 1200$ in no time.

Exactly !
BTC is still relatively low while the DOGE hype have passed.
BTC ROI win over DOGE ROI.


No. Thats not what i was saying. I just say that they are quite equal what comes to ROI. I still prefer holding DOGE over BTC at the moment. Heck, i even hold WDC over BTC right now.
I leave all emotions out of the "trading game". My decisions are based on calculations wheres my personal preference is not included as a variable.
1202  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is doge dying off? on: December 27, 2013, 11:12:01 AM
Its not a bet that DOGE will not be worth more than it is now.

It is a bet that X dollars/yen/whatever put into bitcoin instead of into DOGE will be worth more in a year than if it was left in DOGE.

(If you sell your DOGE and buy Bitcoin instead or in other words sell your DOGE for Bitcoin, it will be worth more in a year than if you left it as DOGE.)

-MarkM-
 

Oh right. Thanks for explanation.
So its BTC ROI against DOGE ROI starting from now. That bet is definately more risky, since BTC is quite low at the moment. It can easily rise to 1200$ in no time.
1203  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is doge dying off? on: December 27, 2013, 10:57:57 AM
Memes don't really last that long. Every meme has a peak in popularity and then a decline. Gangnam Style doesn't get many views these days.

I had purchased several mil DOGE on the first day and cashed out close to the peak at ~0.00000200. Feels good man.

I would bet all my BTC that if you cashed out from DOGE to BTC right now you will make a better return one year from now than if you hold DOGE.

Wait. Do i understand you correctly that you want to bet that right now DOGE costs more than in one year from now? How many BTC you have? Im will take your bet if you are serious about it.
I will bet same amount of BTC against  you and i claim that DOGE will cost more in one year time from now. Im willing to bet up to 100 BTC. Thats about all i have right now.
1204  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DOGE] Dogecoin - very currency many coin - v1.3 Released MANDATORY UPDATE on: December 27, 2013, 10:49:28 AM
Updated sig thread with new findings! Dig in!   Cheesy
1205  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [DOGE] - Collection of Shops, Services, Articles and Forum Threads on: December 27, 2013, 10:37:55 AM
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"The Reserve Bank has mentioned that it has been looking at the developments relating to certain electronic records claimed to be “Decentralised Digital Currency” or “Virtual Currency” (VCs), such as Bitcoins, Litecoins, bbqcoins, Dogecoins, etc...."
1206  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [DOGE] - Collection of Shops, Services, Articles and Forum Threads on: December 27, 2013, 10:34:17 AM
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"We're going to compensate all invested users and as much non-invested user balances as possible and discontinue the website," the operators wrote on Reddit. ®
1207  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [DOGE] - Collection of Shops, Services, Articles and Forum Threads on: December 27, 2013, 10:30:33 AM
1208  Other / Archival / Re: Pictures of your mining rigs! on: December 27, 2013, 09:08:13 AM
Kergekoin,

What are the outer dimensions of that case?  What are the chances that it fits in a standard 19" rack?  Another idea would be to add removable rack mounting "lips" on the front.

Nice work!

Woodser


Thanks!
This case is 500mm x 500mm x 250mm. Plus nut heads which are 3mm. Same design could be made a bit smaller in theory. Probably could squeeze it to h 460mm x d 400mm x w 220mm without compromising temperatures.

Can I ask about the USB WiFI card?  Can you not place it close to a wired connection?

Currently this miner is on base floor wheres no wired connection available. Thats why i added wifi.
1209  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DOGE] Dogecoin - very currency many coin - v1.3 Released MANDATORY UPDATE on: December 26, 2013, 06:32:45 PM
doge's holding @ 80 satoshis, v. slightly furious BTC price rise, g00t sign Grin

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What do you guys think is realistic for a price in a few weeks?
150-300 satoshis

Not a chance. It will be above 150 when block is halfed. 300 is still months away.
1210  Other / Archival / Re: Pictures of your mining rigs! on: December 26, 2013, 05:47:18 PM
Kergekoin,

What are the outer dimensions of that case?  What are the chances that it fits in a standard 19" rack?  Another idea would be to add removable rack mounting "lips" on the front.

Nice work!

Woodser


Thanks!
This case is 500mm x 500mm x 250mm. Plus nut heads which are 3mm. Same design could be made a bit smaller in theory. Probably could squeeze it to h 460mm x d 400mm x w 220mm without compromising temperatures.
1211  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] DOGECOIN POOL MINE ! FAST-POOL.COM - 0% FEE much DOGE on: December 26, 2013, 05:29:27 PM
What is going on with pool again? Extremely bad block rate for last 24hours.

Last 24 Hours   1440   43   43   0    447.5346   78823380   148400361   188.27%
1212  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DOGE] Dogecoin - very currency many coin - v1.3 Released MANDATORY UPDATE on: December 26, 2013, 04:28:22 PM
why the fucking dogecoin, can not encryt wallet with pass?

every time i encrypt it with pass, it will crash in windows.  and i checked forum, seems no solution.  OMG!!!!!!


doge want to die quickly? !!!!  solve the security problem first.


i lost some K in online wallet.   


I have no problems encrypting it. I run win8 x64 and newest version of wallet. Works flawlessly.
1213  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [DOGE] - Collection of Shops, Services, Articles and Forum Threads on: December 26, 2013, 02:36:25 PM
1214  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DOGE] Dogecoin - very currency many coin - v1.3 Released MANDATORY UPDATE on: December 26, 2013, 02:31:57 PM


Who ever is interested in DOGE future: Go and read this post please.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=381745.msg4141962#msg4141962
1215  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is doge dying off? on: December 26, 2013, 02:30:14 PM
Im sorry for quoting this, but those are exactly my thoughts as well. Nice post Pangia!

Dogecoin, an alt-coin that hasn't been around even for a month yet was mentioned by the Reserved Bank of India (warning letter )  http://rbidocs.rbi.org.in/rdocs/PressRelease/PDFs/IEPR1261VC1213.pdf?a

This is impressive that such recognition can occur for a coin that's only been on a few exchanges for days.

Why is there such attention drawn to Dogecoin? Becaue Dogecoin has what NO OTHER coin (including Bitcoin) has. Read on...

                            DOGECOIN WILL SUCCEED BECAUSE IT POSSESSES "CRYPTO-PATHOS", SOMETHING THAT NO OTHER COIN HAS

A few days ago I was driving my daughter to school. She’s aware of my interest in crypto-currencies since I’m usually rambling on about Bitcoin every now and then. I mentioned to her about a new coin called Dogecoin and when I mentioned its origins to her, the first response I got was a smile and then a “for real”. She knew about the meme and the 2013 award, but not about the coin. Her smile got me thinking and reminded me of a course I took a few years back.

Just a little background:
I have always aspired to hold a specific elected office in my City (NYC) and in preparation I pursued my Master’s in Public Administration at Harvard University (Kennedy School of Government). Most of the courses that I took were extremely interesting and centered around policy and politics of course as well as a few courses on public speaking, running campaigns, organizing groups and even one called “The Making of a Politician”—which actually prepared you for office. But by far, the most interesting course I took at the Kennedy School was one that was very difficult to enroll in. This course was called “Persuasion: The Science and Art of Effective Influence” and was taught by Dr. Gary Orren. http://www.hks.harvard.edu/degrees/teaching-courses/course-listing/mld-342

Students from every Harvard school (Gov’t, Law, Education, Divinity, etc.) had to essentially use a bidding system to enroll in this course. Students from M.I.T. were also permitted to enroll in this course. I had saved my bidding points from the prior semester because I had heard that this was an exceptional course.

On my first day in class Dr. Orren gave us an overview of the course and what to expect. During his presentation he mentioned that many years back a young man named Barack Obama sat (pointed to the seat) right near the middle of the class room and took the same course. One of my classmates leaned over mentioned that President Obama had once said that this was one of his favorite courses while attending Harvard. When making speeches, President Obama often follows the models taught at the Kennedy School (his lead speech writer – Cody Keenan is also a Harvard Kennedy School graduate). I’m just trying to reveal how truly impressive this course was, but I think I’m rambling on. Let’s get to the point.

So in this course in addition to several other things, we learned that in order to persuade someone to agree with you, do it your way, follow you, move in a direction you desire, etc., (important in the politics & policy world) there needs to be three elements that form a foundation; the logos, ethos and pathos. Aristotle was the philosopher who put forward that idea. Rather than dig out my notes I’m going to cheat and cut and paste descriptions of the three elements. These descriptions were found on a webpage http://courses.durhamtech.edu/perkins/aris.html

Ethos (Credibility), or ethical appeal, means convincing by the character of the author (or of the crypto in our case). We tend to believe people whom we respect. One of the central problems of argumentation is to project an impression to the reader that you are someone worth listening to, in other words making yourself as author into an authority on the subject of the paper, as well as someone who is likable and worthy of respect. Crypt-currencies have established their Ethos, we know that it is legitimate. We believe in it.

Logos (Logical) means persuading by the use of reasoning. Giving reasons is the heart of argumentation, and cannot be emphasized enough. Crypto-currencies are logical to user over other payment methods for a variety of reasons.

Pathos (Emotional) means persuading by appealing to the reader's emotions. Language choice affects the audience's emotional response, and emotional appeal can effectively be used to enhance an argument. Excluding Dogecoin, all other Crypto-currencies lack Pathos.

Now finally to my point:
When I speak of persuasion going forward, what I am speaking of is the ability to win over people and get them to engage in the use of a crypto-currency. And I’m not speaking of the IT person or other tech savvy individual who is most likely well aware of crypto-currencies. Instead, I’m speaking of the average person.

If we examine Bitcoin, Litecoin and the myriad of other cryptographic-currencies we can see that they definitely contain two of the three elements needed to be successful in persuading someone to “agree” with them (use them). The two elements that Bitcoin and alt-coins possess are Logos and Ethos.
Crypto-Ethos – I don’t think that I need to go too much into this. But if you understand crypto, then you’ll know crypto can be trusted. Crypto is trustworthy, you can believe it.
Crypto-Logos – if you have a basic understanding of how crypto-currencies work, then you’ll understand the logical benefits that it can offer. Credits cards weren’t meant to be used on the internet and the 21st century needs a new form of digital currency and crypto is the answer.
So to sum things up, there are logical reasons to use crypto-currencies and crypto is trustworthy.
The Crypto-Pathos is missing though. (until Dogecoin)
Most people that I know who currently use crypto-currencies aren’t drawn to it by emotions. Instead, they understand its financial utility which is based on its logos and ethos.

The IT world and entrepreneurs who understand crypto-currencies are only a very small group, so how could you engage the masses to use crypto?

The answer to that is to create a crypto-currency that has all three elements to persuade them to use it. And along came Dogecoin. Let's look at it from another perspective ---- Real Wrestling versus WWF Wrestling (now WWE Wrestling - fake on TV). Which one of these draws a larger audience? WWE Wrestling of course. We all know (well most of us) that it's fictitious, so why then does WWE Wrestling draw millions of viewers from around the world, as opposed to real wrestling that's just plain boring? Because WWE (fake wrestling) with all its drama, has the emotional appeal that can move an audience to want see it more.

Every other Crypto is like real wrestling - gets the job done but is basic and boring. Dogecoin also gets the job done, but brings a flare to the technology that a broader audience can embrace through its emotional appeal.
With Dogecoin, there is a story to tell. One that can make you smile. Excluding Bitcoin (the father of all Crypto) what coin has a story to tell the audience that is emotionally appealing (make you smile, laugh, cry, etc.) I love Litecoin but what story can it tell an audience about itself other than the technological aspects of its use?

Like Bitcoin and other crypto, Dogecoin has a burgeoning community and its acceptance is growing. It has a language all of its own. Dogecoin has the emotional appeal that can and will attract the masses.

Dogecoin is a pioneer in its use of an emotional appeal to attract a larger audience and its success won’t be specific to itself. Similar to how Bitcoin paved the way for other crypto-currencies to follow, Dogecoin is paving the way for others to follow as well. Dogecoin is Bitcoin 2.0.
There will be many other coins to follow in Dogecoin’s footstep that will utilize all 3 of the elements necessary to motivate non-tech people to embrace these types of currencies and I think that Dogecoin is off to a great start because it possess all of the technological aspects of Bitcoin but has the ability to make the average person smile. Can any other crypto-currency do that?

TLDR: (This TLDR was written by Mattopia from BitcoinTalk)
We use dollars, euros, etc because it's the financial instrument we are given. You need a compelling reason to "buy into" a new idea or concept, particularly one so different than what we are used to. The utility is easy to understand, but the "Crypto-Pathos" might just be the added warm and fuzzy that will nudge to general adoption of a coin - be it Doge or whatever. Any current digital currency is unlikely to become a primary, mass-adopted currency in a sea of them as a default. No government is likely to embrace and adopt them, but the masses just might.
1216  Other / Archival / Re: Pictures of your mining rigs! on: December 26, 2013, 01:32:52 PM
Ready!
My 2.85MHs, Cool and Quiet Digger.  Wink




I hope you mean GH/s...

What, are you new here?

I forgive him.  Cheesy
1217  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is doge dying off? on: December 25, 2013, 04:40:25 PM
So many peeps having so limited view, or just blindedby their emotions. I look only statistics and i see huge potential. DOGE is by far the most succsessful alt coin in current time frame. and it will become even greater in future.
Whoever says that DOGE is dead is a hater, stupid or blind.
1218  Other / Archival / Re: Pictures of your mining rigs! on: December 24, 2013, 08:21:51 AM
Is he mining with 4x 280's with 1000w?  Thats sweet if so..


Yes i am. Inside the case is Lepa G1000. Cards are running 1075mv, 1030/1500. The rest of machine is Gigabyte F2A88x-d3h and AMD A-4000 apu. Total power consumtion of the system is 1045W under load.
G1000 is superb PSU. Its absolutely stable under this heavy load.

My second miner will use EVGA G2 1300W. So it will have more headroom.

Thanks for your opinions guys!
1219  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN - NEW COIN JUST LAUNCHED] *EarthCoin* Is Here To Make A Splash For 2014! on: December 24, 2013, 07:51:27 AM
Is there finally more than one working pool for this coin? So far all the rest were "wannabe" pools with horrible block rate.
1220  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN - NEW COIN JUST LAUNCHED] *EarthCoin* Is Here To Make A Splash For 2014! on: December 23, 2013, 10:36:23 PM
+1.

Besides beautiful images, everything about this coin launch is extremely dissapointing. If i was the developer, i would be embarrased...
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