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1301  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Selling on: November 05, 2017, 06:00:27 PM
Payeer is legit. It is safe. I think localbitcoins would be a good option to try as well. The user above me mention need coinbase which are also legit and you can use them.

Localbitcoins connects you to buyers and sellers from your own country and provides escrow F2A and other protection. I highly recommend them.
1302  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin storms past $7,200 to set yet another new all-time record on: November 05, 2017, 05:55:14 PM
We all knew Bitcoin could and would do it (that's what we here for after all) now that it has we all happy. It is a long road and there is still sitting far to go and so many things to see and achieve. It's all so exciting. Smiley

the best thing out of all this is that the media is talking about bitcoin nonstop. everywhere you look these days you can see bitcoin is being discussed one way or another. there are even countries that never took bitcoin seriously and now they are starting a lot of operations involving bitcoin. it is mostly positive and that is even better. the negative ones still exist but they are even better because people see the bullshit too and they will lose their effectiveness.

Everytime I open my browser I see all sorts of articles about bitcoin and he much it's gone up in value. I also see many Google ads for other coins and ICO's and other interesting projects. It's looking good.
1303  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ok guys, Need some help with a negative friend! on: November 05, 2017, 12:13:28 AM
Nothing your friend said even made any sense. He is just saying things off the top of his head without thinking. Everything he said was wrong. I use Bitcoin to pay for things on a weekly basis I sell it sometime for fiat. It takes less then half an hour and most of the time 5 or 10 minutes so I'm not sure what sort of nonesense this friend of yours is talking here. Many big online shops here accept Bitcoin as well. I can buy everything I need with Bitcoin excluding food and petrol and electricity and water and taxes. All those things are fiat.

Here is an example of things I have paid for with bitcoin.

A complete PC. Electronics. Video games. Video game consoles. Coffee machine. Coffee. Board games. A plush toy. Some clothing. Shoes. Should I go on?

All these things delivered to my doorstep paid for with bitcoin and includes buyer protection.
1304  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Credit Suisse CEO "Bitcoin is the very definition of a bubble" on: November 05, 2017, 12:08:32 AM
I hear nonesense talk that is what I hear. I'm going to strangle someone if I hear Bitcoin and bubble in the same sentence again. As soon as someone starts talking about bubbles I just stop listening. Life is also bubble. Your mortality itself is a bubble. Hell everything is s bubble and pops at some point or another. What exactly is this guy's point? Does this gun think when this "bubble" he speaks if pops that Bitcoin is going to crash and burn? Not a chance!!
1305  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The gambler destroyed on: November 05, 2017, 12:03:20 AM
Dude. That is just screenshots of some normal play. Just not losing. Your first was 2% profit. The one you were lucky on you made 200% 3 tests and 3 outsones is not enough. How many times did you run this? It is very clear you have not broken any myth, because you aren't using a website but a simulation bot. If you were for real you would get serious and bet for real. After Soo you cracked the system and can't lose. Now why are you telling us this and bit wiping out ever casino you find onlines bankroll?
1306  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Posting/Sharing gambling related topics & news in facebook on: November 04, 2017, 11:51:52 PM
I haven't really seen any gambling advertising on fb. I don't think it's really allowed if you trying to promote too much because fb want you to pay them to promote yourself. I'm not sure they would like it very much if gambling advertising because s problem with fb profiles dedicated to gambling or spamming even. It's ok now because it is not causing an issue but technically it's not really allowed. Because I know fb won't support gambling.
1307  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: BitSler - 100% win rate - slowly but surely on: November 04, 2017, 10:46:17 PM
If the rate is 98% then the rate is 98% not 98 to 100. Where do you get that from? Btw 98% is very low and means the house edge is very high making it 2% that is 2x that if Yolodice which is only 2% plus the up to 30% rackback effectively makes it 0.70% house edge since 30% of 1% is 0.3.  You will probably enjoy yourself more at Yolodice and have a better time there as well. There are level ups and things to work for and towards. It's not just playing that helps, you are awarded for staying social too. Give Yolodice a try.
1308  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to control greed on gambling? on: November 04, 2017, 10:41:01 PM
Really hard to control greed specially when you are on thay situation, but maybe you can set aside the money that you want to spend on the casinos so either gain or loss you will not spend more that what you have that day. I usually do this things and it works for me.
you shouldn't do this when you do this you some were assuming that you are going to get a profit from your gambles but that's noy true most likely you will lose these funds and finally use the other funds which you decided not to use
Maybe this man not totally addict in gambling because he can control his emotion to not spend more. Majority of the gamblers feel nervous on their bets and that is good because that is where the excitement comes in and the greedy are nature for them.Being a gambler, we should be get used to this kind of feeling but it seems like every time we gamble.


Emotions are probably the main thing. The house had an advantage it doesn't have emotions. People say it makes no difference but I think it does. The house will not keep going and going and break it's own bankroll that is why houses have limits. Sure they make a loss when someone wins big and go in red but when someone in another table plays and losses it makes up for it. So I definitely think there is a psychological edge there.
1309  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: gambling ends on: November 04, 2017, 06:32:41 PM
Humans will never stop gambling. Humans are greedy and even after a big win try to win even more and often end up losing everything. The same is with lotto winners. Most lotto winners spend the money in the first 3 years. It's most likely because they never worked for it so don't feel the pain if working long hours for it and they might even forget how much they have because what a lot of money before is not anymore.
1310  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Moneypot Bankroll Losses on: November 04, 2017, 06:27:26 PM
I opened long ago scam accusations as Investor ( I lost ) and RBIES holder

RBIES link
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2207833.msg22227934#msg22227934

Investor scam accusation
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2176574.msg21829632#msg21829632

sadly Investors and RBIES owners dont get together to try to push MP owners to pay or close down.

RHavar posted this not long ago
edit
in the new moneypot thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2345394.msg23891888#msg23891888

And you will not provide a short grace period for current ruby holders to sell at your earlier promised price floor?

I don't really understand how you could make a promise to hold a price floor (and literally even quote the dictionary definition of "always"). As you know, people made investing and arbitrage decisions based on your price-floor promise  and you're now pulling the rug from everyone. I'm struggling to come up with a more charitable interpretation then you're effectively scamming all ruby holders.

And if you are indeed solvent, than I think you would do yourselves a huge favor by demonstrating this (either publicly, or to a trusted person like dooglus) of proof of assets and quantifying your liabilities (which include promises made liked fixed investing returns and compensation promise made last year to investors ). If you are not solvent, you should be looking to return as much money as possible to your creditors. Or at the very least, issue a debt-based token like bitfinex did


he is spot on and said what I was saying for a long time just in better english. I was the only one who gave them red trust for not holding their promises

IMO it is time that Investors and RBIES owners get together and shout out


The trust system is broken and has never been used for what it was ment for. It reminds me if school children doing things to spite one another. Trust is farmed with trading and red tust given out for no reason. Trust rating has been abused because people can't read. Spammer get negative trust or sometimes bad quality posts. Niether of these have anything to do with trust which is why I say oeoel can't read. It's sad that people are more worried about giving neg trust to spammers or to people they wrongly accuse, meanwhile people are stealing outright in Plainview and nothing is done. It's almost like criminals are welcome.

I myself was accused by one of the moneypot guys for posting only to be paid for my signature. Meanwhile I was speaking out against them and they didn't like it so they said I was just posting for the sake if posting. So you see the mentality we dealing with here.
1311  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why do we keep converting bitcoin back to dollars ? on: November 04, 2017, 04:29:53 PM
BTC is only measured in USD because USD is relatable. Everyone knows what a USD is worth and it just makes it easier. USD is like a world currency all ithers are compared to. It makes sense seeing as most bitcoin investors are American. I personally don't sell my Bitcoin if I don't have to. I would usually spend them directly eliminating the need for a third party to first exchange BTC to my local currency.
1312  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Typical banks, will they ever take Bitcoin seriously? on: November 03, 2017, 11:57:14 PM
I think they already are because they starting to get worried.

I would say that they're already "taking it seriously" enough to consider any potential applications of blockchain technology in financial services.

It's important to distinguish between taking BTC seriously (most of them already are, even if they don't like the speculative nature of it and they would rather preserve fiat currency), and liking it.
fiat is getting extinct thats for sure
Pretty bold statement.  IMO that's extremely unlikely because fiat currencies are something which banks have control over. 

It's certainly not a reason for them to treat Bitcoin differently - if they were actually afraid of that happening, they would be far more hostile towards Bitcoin than they are now.  Compared to what they could be, I'd say they're fairly neutral right now.


Fiat is crap let's hope it does go extinct. Who needs it. But I think the future will be split into people who like and prefer fiat and those like us that see the light and use cryptocurrency. It's so much easier in everyway to use cryptocurrency.
1313  Economy / Economics / Re: Why most bitcoin users from good economies countries? on: November 03, 2017, 11:50:26 PM
Most likely because they the ones with most of the money and are the driving force behind it's price. People from third world countries can actually take good advantage of this price drive and change their lives. 

I am surprised there are not more European users though.
1314  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I HATE 90% of Bitcoin investors on: November 03, 2017, 11:44:15 PM
Why does it matter if they haven't read the whitepaper or don't care or know anything about decentralization?
The fact that these people are using Bitcoin should be enough, no?

Most of us want mass-adoption, it's a bit silly to expect everyone who buys Bitcoin to first read the whitepaper and know of all technical aspects.

Well everyone wants to make money 95% of the users are here to make extra money and learn more about coins as well. Nobody would do something for bitcoin if you didn't get money.

So calm down. Some users are here also for hobby and they get extra money.

No! The point was never to "make money". The point was to revolutionise the way in which we represent a medium of exchange and providing a new, secure way in which it can be done without a third intermediary.

If your only here to make money then I politely ask for you to fuck off. Because in the long-run, if you stop making money, we all know that 100% of that 90% would leave without a second thought. They don't give two cents about what bitcoin represents or how it is so game-changing. Purely here because of greed.
You're in no place to tell anyone to 'fuck off', you don't get to decide why someone should or shouldn't use Bitcoin. You sound very elitist tbh and I disagree with your notion that the Bitcoin community should be some elite club of people who are only in it because of ideological reasons.

These people aren't using it because they wan't to make payments etc. They are just buying it to make money; Therein lies the problem. They are not "adopting" bitcoin, they are using it to try and make a quick buck. Honestly, I think bitcoin is massively overvalued - About 1% of merchants accept it. Unless this new money keeps on flowing in or, bitcoin gets accepted by Amazon, eBay or another mainstream commerce company in the near future, the music is going to stop and with it, the price.

By all means, if you are buying bitcoin to purchase a car, make an over-seas transaction or, use it for gambling then go ahead. In fact it is 100% beneficial for the ecosystem to do so. Because at least then, you are using bitcoin for it's intended purpose; As a medium of exchange.

What do you think happens when people make payments with Bitcoin? Most businesses accepting Bitcoin will just exchange those Bitcoins directly for fiat once they receive them (Overstock is an exception).
People who are using Bitcoin as a long term investment aren't doing anything wrong and I also don't see how it hurts Bitcoin. People also use fiat currency for investment, people also save massive amounts of fiat currency without using it.

Ideally, I'd like to see even more investors get into Bitcoin, raise the marketcap and perhaps make it a bit less volatile in the future.
Bitcoin is just too volatile to be used as a means of exchange for most people.

Imagine getting your paycheck in Bitcoin and the next day you've just lost a couple of hundred dollars, now you're short for paying your bills etc.

If s business is clever enough to be making a lot of money then they clever enough not to sell of all their Bitcoin to fist when they can make a whole bunch more without putting in the work. I don't actually understand what the OP problem is and I don't think he understands Bitcoin or currency. Bitcoin is a currency so it already is money. It's just one that's going up in value because it uses new technology that works so well. So I'm not sure what is wrong with keeping currency. I use Bitcoin to buy things why would I use fiat?
1315  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Combating Money Laundering, Terrorist Financing, and Counterfeiting Act of 2017 on: November 03, 2017, 11:36:28 PM
Or you can just not take anything and login to your wallet from anywhere in their world. You can't take something digital with you across borders this is the stupidist thing I have hear for a long time here. Why would you want to declare something you can send anywhere in the world whenever you feel like? Your topic makes no sense where exactly did you get this information from?

As the above user said you can just use a phone. He they going to know what is on your devices or even if they k ow you have a trezor they can't drive how many bitcoin you own.
1316  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cant criminals and terrorists simply use BTC ATM's to convert cash to BTC?? on: November 03, 2017, 11:32:56 PM
What's to stop you from going around and biyng things with that money like jewellery and then just keeping that instead? It's the same thing. You could do both. It's just the technology that effects the method that is all.

Apart from the fact it would look suspicious walking up to a BTC ATM with a duffle bag full of $$$ - whats stopping these people converting their cash reserves to BTC?

They have other ways of doing this without the daily limits of ATMs. If you are an early Bitcoin holder seeking to sell your coins (bulk amounts) for cash, you will eventually encounter these shady types. Maybe not the criminals directly, but some intermediary who gets their cash supply directly from the criminals.

Yes it would take forever to do that. Years and years so it won't make much difference u iess you buy from someone I guess.
1317  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What should I invest into? on: November 03, 2017, 11:28:20 PM
I think you should buy bitcoin and then hold them for long enough to make enough profit to buy a mining rig. I think that is much safer and by then you will have had plenty time to do your research and learn all about mining.

I’m interested in investing $2500 should I just put it straight into btc or mining hardware?

go straight for bitcoin then hold until you double your money because mining needs a lot of additional expenses aside from hardware like maintenance and electricity cost and that is if you already have a place to put your miner if you don't have you will have to rent a place that is why I think it is much better to just buy and hold BTC.

I think it's good to wait until it doubles like you said but I think the cost of electricity is not the biggest issue. Learning what to mine and when and how to setup a good mining rig is a bigger issue then the cost to run it.
1318  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin to eliminate unemployment. on: November 03, 2017, 11:19:53 PM
 Roll Eyes

Please tell me how a currency will fight unemployment? Bitcoin. Is only a currency. There are new ways to make Bitcoin compared to regular fiat because of the simple reason it's digital and in a digital world things will work differently. We just ahead if the pack that's all. This is he technology evolved. You can earn money from home since a long time before Bitcoin with websites and advertising online. There are so many things you can do and as we discover new technology more and more ways to warn a living will become available.
1319  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you use BTC as a digital currency for paying online ? on: November 03, 2017, 10:08:41 PM
I only use Bitcoin for paying for things online. So far I have bought online from local sources the following. Xbox, ps3, console accessories like guns and memory cards. Electronics, printer, 3d printer, video games, clothing, coffee, coffee machine, PC hardware and many many other things and had it sent to my doorstep paid fully in bitcoin. I have also received refunds back in Bitcoin as well so it works well and has buyer protection. The refund o got was due to a transaction not being picked up on their side. They fixed it right away after I contacted them. I had my bitcoins refunded by the next morning. Also the emailed to follow up on my refund a couple of days later. This just goes to show Bitcoin is viable and works well.
1320  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who here lives on crypto currency daily? on: November 03, 2017, 08:16:59 PM
I hardly use banks. I use crypto where I can. I only have a bank account for when I need to use fist and when I run out I top it up by selling some Bitcoin but I use fist as a means to spend. My main money is in Bitcoin in my wallets. So I use Bitcoin and altcoins weekly. The rest I do shopping for food I just use Bitcoin to cash out some once every two weeks or 3 weeks or so. It is a great way to deal with my money and how I spend and keep it.
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