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1341  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Want to earn a few bitcoins? Translations wanted! on: March 19, 2011, 03:49:10 PM
http://meta.witcoin.com/p/514/Help-Translation

If anyone can provide a Blissymbol, Brithenig, Damin, Elvish, Enochian, Esperanto, Glosa, Ido, Interlingua, Ithkuil, Kēlen, Klingon, Láadan, Lingua Franca Nova, Lingua Ignota, Loglan, Lojban, Na'vi, Nadsat, Novial, Occidental, Quenya, Ro, Sindarin, Slovianski, Solresol, Teonaht, Toki Pona, Tsolyáni or Volapük translation that would be Awesome!
"Nadsat", droog? Only Alex and his droogs govoreet nadsat, as far as I can viddy.
1342  Other / Off-topic / Re: how to return BTC on mtgox on: March 19, 2011, 02:41:04 PM
So you sent your bitcoin to an address that you no longer have access too?

actually not, I hope.

I'm not sure I understand? Did this happen when you tried to fund your MtGox account with bitcoins? If so, you have to click the button and get a new address every time. If not, then help me understand what happened.
1343  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: BTCMine - shared mining pool, open registration on: March 19, 2011, 01:49:23 PM
I see. The problem I have is that without a job I cannot pay in advance my electricity bills, and because we pay an "Estimated Bill" at the beginning of a month I must have the necessary money in place for the next month. When this pool finally pays out it will have cost more in electricity than it did to mine, where as pools such as bitpenny and deepbit can give me a steady income that always always the cost in electricity.

Once I have spent a week in either of those two pools and got some money saved, I will re-evaluate this pool's solve rate and see which one paid more.
I was solo-mining until the most recent difficulty increase, but since then I've been floating between various pools - mostly dbitcoin's and slush's. FWIW, I've made more with btcmine than I have with mining.bitcoin.cz, but that's probably because I went for the "per share" option right when btcmine started. I can afford the quiet periods in btcmine right now, but if I was in your utility-bill position I'd probably look at mining.bitcoin.cz instead - it's much more steady. With one 5870 I've been averaging 2.5 BTC per day, varying between just over 1 to just over 4 BTC in any given day.

I suspect if I moved to btcmine, and waited for, say, a couple of weeks to a month, I'd see similar averag results - just with a lot more variation. (Ignoring difficulty changes, obviously).

(Just to annoy everyone: I made more CPU solo-mining back in October than I have from GPU pooled-mining!)
1344  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Moderators to clean up Chinese spammers in "Market" on: March 19, 2011, 01:41:07 PM
Where's the option for "I want to learn about Chinese breakfasts because it makes my nipples all tingly? :-)

Seriously though, I think this will resolve itself of it's own accord. The students are going to quickly work out what gets results (supplying a demand) and what doesn't (spam). If people are prepared to pay for jokes and recipes, more power to both buyer and seller. I'm prepared to pay for certain things (bitcoin-promotion things), and I'm enjoying some of the *cough* humour, and the recipes have been interesting.

If nothing else, it's the weekend! Time to let our hair down!
1345  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: BTCMine - shared mining pool, open registration on: March 19, 2011, 01:33:17 PM
Can't wait for this payout, it's only just going to cover the cost in electricity. Sorry dbit but I'm thinking to switch pools to bitpenny.

Per share payout in long term period = same money. But now per share give you less.

Give less?

Anyway. From what I have earnt in your pool these past days is only earning me a slight amount over the cost of electricity. In BitPenny, my estimates show that I could possibly earn higher (and that value would be fairly consistent). I won't actually know until I get in there and see what sort of Coin/Hr I achieve, but if it turns out to be less than your pool I will return.


Re: "Give less" - assume the average time to find a block on btcmine is 1 day, there are 10 miners, and each miner achieves 100 shares a day. In the average case when the block is found after exactly 24 hours, there are 1000 shares. Right now, we've gone, say, three days without finding a block and there are 3000 shares. For each miner the ultimate reward will be the same (50 BTC / 10 miners), but for each share the reward will be much less (50 BTC / 3000 shares vs. 50 / 1000). As dbitcoin says, in the long term this evens out - but right now it's hard not to look at the reward per share and think of all that electricity... :-(
1346  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: POLL: Is "bobR" a troll or just a dumb ass? Should he be banned? on: March 18, 2011, 10:29:41 PM
Do you really think that swearing and utilizing capital letters helps you make your point?
I've noticed that certain words are capitalised, and others aren't, without any apparent logic (like the "kiddys" [sic] example above). My theory is that there's a hidden code at work, and bobR is communicating with nefarious forces. Actually, thinking it through a bit further, you could probably cram quite a bit of data into "spelling mistakes" etc... C'mon, bobR, time to come clean - your linguistic skills are actually far better than we've given you credit for, and you're using this forum to transmit highly secret information in plain sight!
1347  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Dynamic wallet triggers on: March 18, 2011, 10:23:43 PM
I like the idea. Having some way to natively hook into bitcoin events would be quite helpful, particularly to anyone trying to set up their own merchant script. Depending on how flexible the scripting language proves, it could also potentially allow for crude automated selling without the need for a third party.

Subversion, a version control system, has a neat approach: any script or executable can be run when certain events occur: Subversion simply looks for a script or executable with a certain name. It allows for a limited number of parameters, so - transferring Subversion's system to Bitcoin - something like "2.37 bitcoins received in account 'From mining pool' with address '175tVkmMKwwEppDRNnBY2SnTzFUmJJhzZ7'" might trigger a script named "bitcoins-received" that checks the account name, and if the account is called 'From mining pool' the script would then send 2.37 BTC to another address, and then email a Hotmail account, play an mp3 file, or do pretty much anything you can think of...

What I like about Subversion's approach is that we're not tied to any one scripting language: having Python, say, installed doesn't become a requirement of using Bitcoin for anything other than "basic stuff".

1348  Other / Off-topic / Re: Micro startup/investment class project/experiment in China on: March 18, 2011, 07:25:54 PM
If you like the idea then show it by spending your bitcoins on them. There has to be some bitcoins available for them to win. ATM it seems everyone's being really stingy.
There are open offers, and jimbobway has been paying for smiles and laughs. I think there's great potential here, but the sudden influx has come of a bit of a shock to many forum posters.
1349  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: BTCMine - shared mining pool, open registration on: March 18, 2011, 06:52:08 PM
Mine shows 19:49  Roll Eyes
Weird. If you check the source, the page loads with the time hard-coded to proper-UTC. I haven't looked any further yet, but I assume there's some JavaScript wizardry that then ticks the time on. I assume that's where the discrepancy occurs - the JavaScript must be doing something odd in your case.

Edit: there's a function, updateUTCTime, that seems to be using local time to derive UTC. Seems a little long-winded and potentially error-prone. I seem to recall JavaScript having UTC handling built-in... but it's been a long time since I used it. I'll dig further...

Edit 2: yup, the Date object has UTC methods. This is untested, and it's possible dbitcoin has a good reason that I've not thought of for doing it the way it's done, but if it were me I'd start by looking at replacing...
Code:
        dt = new Date(utc);
        dtstring = pad(dt.getMonth()+1, 2)
            + '/' + pad(dt.getDate(), 2)
            + '/' + dt.getFullYear()
            + ' ' + pad(dt.getHours(), 2)
            + ':' + pad(dt.getMinutes(), 2)
            + ':' + pad(dt.getSeconds(), 2);
with...
Code:
        dtstring = pad(Date.getUTCMonth()+1, 2)
            + '/' + pad(Date.getUTCDate(), 2)
            + '/' + Date.getUTCFullYear()
            + ' ' + pad(Date.getUTCHours(), 2)
            + ':' + pad(Date.getUTCMinutes(), 2)
            + ':' + pad(Date.getUTCSeconds(), 2);
1350  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: BTCMine - shared mining pool, open registration on: March 18, 2011, 06:47:57 PM
UTC time shown in red on "Mining Activity" is incorrect.  1 hour "ahead"
Looks OK to me? I'm seeing 18:47, which is correct.
1351  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: POLL: Is "bobR" a troll or just a dumb ass? Should he be banned? on: March 18, 2011, 05:02:46 PM
Is bobR a troll? I suspect probably not, at least not deliberately. My feeling is that there's a communication skills/social skills issue here. If that's down to immaturity, maybe it'll change in the future. In the meantime at least we can all get a guilty laugh out of the endless rants.

Should bobR be banned? Hell, no. Banning stuff should always be our last resort. Advertising illegal products and services on this forum was recently banned after much soul-searching - but there's a world of difference between tolerating something with real-world consequences for site admins, and tolerating an annoying poster.
1352  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 37% difficulty increase (55590 to 76193) on: March 18, 2011, 02:39:19 PM
Hmm, $800 to buy each. Not cheap Smiley (5970s)
You may find the price comes down once 6990s start hitting the gamers' rigs and they start selling off their old 5970s!

What are the $ prices of 5870s like? I got a 5870 in the UK not that long ago, and there were some real bargains to be had if you were prepared to wait for them (I paid £130 second-hard from a dealer, but I've seen prices range from £110 to £210 on ebay).
1353  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 37% difficulty increase (55590 to 76193) on: March 18, 2011, 02:28:39 PM
I'm not sure how GPUs perform in comparison - but would need to be about 8 times better than one 2GHz CPU @ 30 watts to be feasible.

Dude should actually figure out how much better GPU's perform in comparison... It is way better than that.

Two AMD Opteron 6128s will get you 32.4 Mhash/s: that's the best result for CPUs listed on the wiki's mining hardware comparison list. One AMD Phenom II X6 1055T will get you 15.84 Mhash/s.  In contrast, 1 AMD 5870 GPU will easily get you 324 Mhash/s - 10x what the 2 6128s would deliver, and 20x what 1 1055T delivers. A 5870 is probably considered entry-level now for GPU mining - a 5970 will be almost twice as fast. And that's before you consider that it's relatively easy to use more than one GPU.
1354  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Convert to Standard Currency fees too high, could affect adoption? on: March 18, 2011, 11:26:32 AM
In Australia at least it seems that going via PayPal is the only way to play the BitCoin game, which is why there are the fees. I guess for many other non-US / British people they would have the same issue. As such it's probably harder to market here.
There's always bitcoin-otc.com. I've done BTC -> GBP that way recently (britcoin.co.uk being a very, very recent innovation). I'd be surprised if there wasn't some interest in BTC <-> AUD on bitcoin-otc, given the apparent numbers of Aussie bitcoiners on this forum.

(Come to think of it, I'm sure I've seen someone here offering a BTC <-> AUD service... BTC -> AUD via various banks including Westpac, and AUD -> BTC via a local/regional/state bank).

Edit: bitcoinmarket.com does BTC <-> AUD. (via: noagendamarket).
1355  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: About all the posts from Chinese with poor Engrish on: March 17, 2011, 11:33:54 PM
I just read the whole thread in the off-topic section. This is so SO cool.

Dozens if not hundreds of Chinese students ready to do anything I want for a few dollars (or less) of BTC.

ANYTHING.

I'm thinking of offering a bounty for some kind of huge publicity stunt that makes the news in every major Chinese news source.

I think the rules will be that they can do it in absolutely any way they can dream up. The only requirement is that it gets coverage in all the major Chinese news sources. I would offer 12 BTC, which would allow two companies to work together to come up with something sufficiently insane and large-scale.

My only concern is that I might get Nefario arrested. That would suck. What do you guys think?
I think I'd add 5 or even 10 BTC! (I don't have dacoinminster's coverage requirement, but I'd throw in an additional 10 BTC if it made most major Chinese news sources).

Oh, and I strongly agree with dacoinminster's sentiment - we'd be foolish as a community not to see this as a golden opportunity to promote bitcoin in China.
1356  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Has the bar been raised too high on: March 17, 2011, 09:40:45 PM
...
now that they got things as they are I can see of their few workers
only 10% are doing anything
if that increases dramatically toward the end of a round as it did last time
I'll have to think again
Someone should come up with a way to stop that happening...
1357  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Has the bar been raised too high on: March 17, 2011, 09:30:39 PM
Bitter tea are you ignorant or what ??
What I posted wasn';t clear ??

If its not on topic
 STFU

STOP POSTING CRAP
Any other orders you wish to give us, oh wise and benevolent ruler?
1358  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: About all the posts from Chinese with poor Engrish on: March 17, 2011, 08:48:03 PM
use google translate
I'd certainly be OK with the students using Google translate initially, though I'd hope that they'd at least check the results and edit where necessary. I'd also give the results a quick pass through it, though I wouldn't trust it (or me!) enough to pass judgement - I think that should fall to a native speaker (Nefario? Any other takers?)
1359  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: About all the posts from Chinese with poor Engrish on: March 17, 2011, 07:49:44 PM
Ah, missed that (never look in off-topic).
No worries, I only remembered from a bored weekend a while back skimming through off-topic!

Back on topic (for Project Development) couldn't we use this situation for an additional bit of bitcoin promotion in China (and Chinese-speaking communities)? Do we know how well-known bitcoin is in China? A few things I can think of for Nefario's students to do are:

a) Translate a good English (or other non-Chinese) introduction to bitcoin into Chinese.
b) Develop a plan to promote bitcoin, using the text from step a.
c) Implement the plan from step b.

Elsewhere people have promised bounties to Nefario's students for funny pictures, some involving bitcoin. These could be used as well. Anyway, I'd be prepared to pay a 5 BTC bounty for each step above - though I'd need help with step a, as my non-English language skills are non-existent...

Edit: translation provided by larry, bounty paid.
1360  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: About all the posts from Chinese with poor Engrish on: March 17, 2011, 06:29:00 PM
Nefario,

Would have been nice  if you'd warn us before.

How many students did you send to here btw? Are they all Chinese medicine students, or are some that have other qualities (coding, art)?

To be fair, Nefario did warn us.
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