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1381  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Europe, you reap what you sow... on: April 02, 2016, 01:06:54 PM
America should really vote for trump unless they want to become the next Europe.

I agree with that. Voting Trump is the best way to not become the next Europe!
Which is a rather good argument to not vote for Trump IMHO though.


I agree with that too. Europe stays as is or worse and America becomes better and stronger.

 Smiley



Not hard to become better and stronger when you're so weak and crappy xD





1382  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: April 02, 2016, 12:58:54 PM



Where's the Presidential Debate on GM's Crony Capitalism? GM paid $904M more in taxes to China than the US in 2015








In the 1950s, General Motors President Charles Wilson famously said: “What was good for our country was good for General Motors, and vice versa.”

You might do a double take on that comment after you venture a look at GM’s current remarkably low tax bill.

A dive into GM’s filings with the Securities & Exchange Commission reveals that while the carmaker makes nearly all of its profits in the U.S., it pays virtually no U.S. federal, state or local taxes. The carmaker paid just $5 million in federal taxes last year, its SEC filings show. For its total federal, state and local bill, all in, it booked zero taxes, the filings show. Meantime, in 2015, GM paid more than $908 million in taxes to China, due to its profits from its joint ventures there, the filings show (see here:https://www.gm.com/content/dam/gm/en_us/english/Group4/InvestorsPDFDocuments/10-K.pdf).


GM’s historically low tax bill has flown under the radar screen in this presidential election season, when candidates from both parties offer ideas on reforming the corporate tax code. While the White House has railed against loopholes for big corporations, Democrat candidates Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders continue to stump for getting companies to pay their “fair share,” and the GOP candidates largely push for lower tax rates.

Ask yourself, how come the candidates aren’t debating how the GM bailout is a textbook case of crony capitalism? A bailout in which taxpayers paid millions of dollars in “advisory” fees to companies like Evercore Partners to arrange, and given that GM is paying more in annual taxes in China than it is paying in the U.S.?

All in, GM got a $51 billion bailout, for which it refused to pay back some $10.5 billion to U.S. taxpayers, since that $10.5 billion hit arose from the Treasury Dept.’s losses on the automaker’s stock when it sold the shares in late 2013 (the bailout took the form of a loan and a 61% equity stake in GM by the Treasury Dept.).

The bailout was an “investment,” President Barack Obama insisted at the time, adding that it would cost taxpayers “not a dime.” The White House also held up the GM bailout as an example of how to battle China’s ascendancy in manufacturing, even though GM was mastering the art of outsourcing its new vehicle development and global export operations to the Middle Kingdom—to the point where it has been touting the fact it will be the first U.S. carmaker to actually import and sell one of its Chinese-made SUVs, the Buick Envision, back into the U.S. this year (http://www.wsj.com/articles/gm-to-import-chinese-made-buick-suv-1447349781?mg=id-wsj). It’s estimated China plans to increase production in China by 65% through 2020.

The reason for GM’s low tax bill: A big fat tax break in the bailout. This sweetheart deal from the Obama Administration let GM deduct $45.4 billion in costs going forward, against current year taxes, even though it discharged those sums in bankruptcy.

The $45.4 billion included things like its losses in the years before GM entered bankruptcy, costs for its pensions and post-retirement benefits, as well as costs for its equipment and factories. That means the actual cost of GM’s bailout to taxpayers is much higher, likely on the order of nearly $75 billion, tax experts note.

Update: After this report was published on Thursday, General Motors made the following statement to FOX Business Network: “GM adheres to all applicable federal, state and local tax laws and regulations. Since 2009, we have also made significant investments in the U.S. – totaling approximately $17.8 billion – which have created approximately 6,250 new jobs and secured another 20,700 positions.”


http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2016/03/31/wheres-presidential-debate-on-gms-crony-capitalism.html


 Smiley



1383  Other / Politics & Society / The Tocqueville Effect - How He Anticipated Our Culture Of Dependency on: April 02, 2016, 12:51:50 PM






Our concern over the size of government goes deeper than tax policy or the federal budget deficit. .  Size flows from the problems with representation:  representatives have an incentive to grow government because it enlarges the realm of their own power and gives them more resources from which to reward supporters. Ironically, Madison explicitly lobbied for largeness of population and landmass because he believed that largeness would protect America against the dangers of democracy.  With hindsight, we can see America’s largeness would call forth a large and powerful government to govern it.

Additionally, because of the disconnect between citizens and their government, it is easier to see that bigness is itself a more basic threat to self-government than any specific policy or tool.  The growth of government is a danger to self-government not because the state is on the verge of abrogating the constitution and installing a socialist junta, but because the raw size of the government crowds out private initiative and supplants opportunities for individual participation–and once individuals stop taking initiative, they will actually need a larger government to shore up an increasingly brittle civil society. Alexis de Tocqueville described this reciprocal cause-and-effect with remarkable and prophetic insight.  “The more government takes the place of associations, the more will individuals lose the idea of forming associations and need the government to come to their help.  That is a vicious circle of cause and effect.”  Tocqueville believed the growth of government, even if for benign purposes, was threatening to liberty because it subtly undermined the cultural underpinnings of a healthy democracy.  “The morals and intelligence of a democratic people would be in as much danger as its commerce and industry if ever a government wholly usurped the place of private associations.”  Taking over retirement insurance, health care, the banking system or the auto industry isn’t just bad economics:  it teaches people an unhealthy dependence on the public doll, which may then force the government to continue running private industry as people forget the skill of doing it themselves.

But government cannot recreate by fiat the culture of democracy that its own programs undermine.  “A government, by itself, is equally incapable of refreshing the circulation of feelings and ideas among a great people, as it is of controlling every industrial undertaking.”  The effort itself takes government beyond its rightful sphere.  “Once it leaves the sphere of politics to launch out on this new track, it will, even without intending this, exercise an intolerable tyranny.  For a government can only dictate precise rules.  It imposes the sentiments and ideas which it favors, and it is never easy to tell the difference between its advice and its commands.”Once the government arrogates to itself the responsibility to nudge citizens into good behavior and foster good habits, it is acting less like a democratic government and more like a church—a church with armed police, tax collectors, and an army.

This is, Tocqueville believed, a new kind of oppression, different from the cruel tyrants of the ancient world.  Despotism in America “would be more widespread and milder; it would degrade men rather than torment them.” American tyranny will not rob and kill people.  It would be “absolute, thoughtful of detail, orderly, provident, and gentle.”  It appears benign, but has the subtly dangerous effect of engendering a culture of dependency.  “It would resemble parental authority if, father-like, it tried to prepare its charges for a man’s life, but on the contrary, it only tried to keep them in perpetual childhood.”  It grows so large and powerful that it does not just push out the private sector; it pushes out individual agency.  “It provides for their security, foresees and supplies their necessities, facilitates their pleasures, manages their principal concerns, directs their industry, makes rules for their testaments, and divides their inheritances.  Why should it not entirely relieve them from the trouble of thinking and all the cares of living?  Thus it daily makes the exercise of free choice less useful and rarer, restricts the activity of free will within a narrower compass, and little by little robs each citizen of the proper use of his own faculties.”  It does not kill men, but it does kill their spirits.

The all-powerful nanny state does not stop at engendering a culture of dependency among individuals.  It seeks complete control over society through “administrative despotism.”

The all-powerful nanny state does not stop at engendering a culture of dependency among individuals.  It seeks complete control over society through “administrative despotism.”   Tocqueville feared the potential of the regulatory state to smother innovation and energy.  “It covers the whole of social life with a network of petty, complicated rules that are both minute and uniform, through which even men of the greatest originality and the most vigorous temperament cannot force their heads above the crowd.  It does not break men’s wills, but softens, bends, and guides it; it seldom enjoins, but often inhibits action; it does not destroy anything, but prevents much being born; it is not at all tyrannical, but it hinders, restrains, enervates, stifles, and stultifies so much that in the end each nation is no more than a flock of timid and hardworking animals with the government as its shepherd.”  Big government undermines public-mindedness.  “Administrative centralization only serves to enervate the peoples that submit to it, because it constantly tends to diminish their civic spirit,” as Tocqueville put it.

[...]


http://thefederalist.com/2014/02/21/how-tocqueville-anticipated-our-culture-of-dependency/












1384  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Trump Wall on: April 02, 2016, 12:43:52 AM



¿Pasan droga a plena luz del día? | Seguridad





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp0cNRbGzDc



1385  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: April 02, 2016, 12:38:39 AM



#thechalkening






1386  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: April 02, 2016, 12:23:28 AM




W Bush's brain: Don't vote for TRUMP. Vote for [    ]








GOP Elites for the steal–
Karl Rove says a “fresh face” in Cleveland might just be the thing we need to turn this election around.
The Examiner reported:

    One thing that unites many supporters of Donald Trump and Ted Cruz is the suspicion that party elders might try to hand the Republican presidential nomination to another candidate if neither Trump nor Cruz arrives in Cleveland with the 1,237 delegates required to win.

Important voices in the conservative world have voiced such concerns. Rush Limbaugh, for one, has speculated that the Republican establishment will try to “install whoever they want” at a contested convention. (Limbaugh guessed such a final choice might be Jeb Bush or Paul Ryan.)

Now Karl Rove, a man many view as the physical embodiment of the establishment, has poured gallons of fuel on the Republican fire. Appearing on Hugh Hewitt’s radio show Thursday evening, Rove said a “fresh face” chosen at the convention might turn the GOP’s fortunes around and win in November.

    If we have somebody who we think has, has been battle-tested, and has strong conservative principles and the ability to articulate them, and they are nominated at this convention, there will be a lot of acrimony from the people who were seeking the nomination. But if it’s somebody who has, you know, has those convictions that they can express in a compelling way, we could come out of the convention in relatively strong position … And a fresh face might be the thing that could give us a chance to turn this election and win in November against Hillary.


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/04/gop-elite-karl-rove-says-fresh-face-convention-might-best-party/


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TRUMP is no friend of the GOPe


1387  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: April 02, 2016, 12:14:35 AM



#TheChalkening: Old Row’s quest to make Liberals cringe



For the past week, wimpy college students at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia have been screaming bloody murder at the sight of Donald Trump’s name on their sidewalks. These students have gone before James Wagner, president of Emory, and petitioned to keep anything Donald Trump out of Emory. These students have asked for safe spaces and counseling for those ‘traumatized’ by these chalkings. In response, James Wagner wrote this on one of the sidewalks next to the anti-Trump petitioners:




























 Smiley



1388  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: April 02, 2016, 12:00:35 AM
You sure? Doubt he will bring that type of change if he gets in office. He benefited from the system all his life. Why change it now? I believe reason why the establishment doesn't want trump in power is because they can't control him. Not like most other politicians. He looks like a loose cannon to them. Saying whatever is convenient for him at the time. But that doesn't mean he is very different from the rest of the establishment. Or the other donors and owners. How many politicians has he personally bought for example? And what did he ask of them?

Really?  We have the loose cannon in office right now.  He is called Obama.

There is another looser cannon waiting.  That's called Hillary.

I think what you mean to say is Trump isn't "Their loose cannon."

Agreed. Obama and clinton are bought and paid for. Nothing much will come out of them. And trump isn't the establishment's loose cannon. Sure. But the distinction I'm trying to make is that it may not matter. It doesn't make much difference, if he thinks and acts like the owners of the system anyway. Because he is one of them.


Why would one of them be targeted by them, if he is one of them?

GOP: 565M for negative campaign against TRUMP so far.


 
1389  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: April 01, 2016, 11:47:07 PM
Muslim Brotherhood an extension of the thought of Sayyid Qutb, those people have their own believes, they think its the real Islam but its not, they are not the source of Islam, Anyone support violence he is not a muslim because he violates the the main goal of Islam.
Islam mean in Arabic peace. Its clear
I wont call him muslim, i hate him and all his thoughts was bullshit.
Like hitler who killed millions of jews, He expressed himself and not the whole Christians.
Just like Sayyied Qutb or that bogdady the leader of ISIS.

Okay.  That's the same thinking I have.

So you understand, I have no particular interest in the current, popular media expression of Islamic violence - ISIS, but in it's history starting with Qutb, and the development and growth of this.  Qutb is in my opinion the origin.

I understand the ideas of the Muslim Brotherhood are quite popular in Egypt.

I agree with you too Qutb was the origin of that extremist ideology or believes about Islam.
he already dead and i hope anyone have those thoughts get that destiny.
I really want world live in peace, just people like each others no matter what is the sex, religion, color.
god bless all
Good night



Good night and God bless

 Smiley

1390  Other / Politics & Society / Re: BERNIE SANDERS, WEIRDO IN CHIEF on: April 01, 2016, 11:45:14 PM
On a scale of a tribe or a family communism is more practical, in theory. Once you reach a certain amount of humans, socialism and communism implode like a dying star and capitalism makes much more sense on a country, continent, planet or galactic scale.

(make sure to quote me if you intend to use this description in one of your lecture  Wink)




Hope better ways to distribute resources will exist before we go for the galaxy. For now, why socialism or capitalism only? Why not a mix of both? Not the mix we live in in most of europe, america, south america, etc. But for example using codetermination like in Germany. Then expanding from there. Not necessarily replacing capitalism.


Capitalism is about the maximizing the stuff you have, replacing it with better, smaller, cheaper, faster stuff.  By the time we'll be ready to hope from solar systems to solar systems, the cost per human will be as much as a round trip ticket on a greyhound bus.

By that time capitalism may not even be called capitalism anymore. But socialism is not compatible with star trekking because of its lack of vision in the future.




Not a fan of startrek tng then? They were all socialists there you know? But I don't know that socialism is incompatible with having more, better, cheaper, faster stuff. It isn't the priority though. Unless the people in the society want it to be. Not likely. But there is nothing stopping that from happening if mentalities change. That compared to capitalism where decisions are made by the few who own stuff.


A lot of sci-fi authors are socialists.


Big fan of TNG but, again, this works because everything happens inside a tribe shaped as a starship. Everything needed can be replicated at will. Almost infinite magic energy. Money is banned. Wars gone. The only fat people are crazy looking aliens. The only goal is to explore forever with a crew and a mission and no family, or very little.

No room for the dreamers, or just a few. No room for a king or a prince. We have a captain, a supreme leader... Etc, etc...

Yep. TNG is the perfect definition of socialism in space.

 Smiley


1391  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: April 01, 2016, 11:36:21 PM










Thank you all for contributing in the conversation




 Smiley
1392  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: April 01, 2016, 11:30:18 PM
Wasn't he responding to a hypothetical construct? He is not a politician, but he should have known better the media is after soundbites to play against him.

I've read more than a few people who said essentially the same thing. An interesting crack in the Trump FanclubTM.

Has he reached his hubris moment? Find out and see: he may have, he may not have. But he is going to have to pivot, most likely after the Republican nomination is a done deal. To a deal man like Trump, a deal done is a deal stuck to. If the Republican Party "signs the deal" making him the nominee, it's Trump's show. He and his supporters will make that plain.

Wasn't his hubris moment reached with the illegal mexicans comment? Maybe it was about islam? Could it be kelly's blood?

I've lost track. And those were way, way more potent.

Were they way, way more potent than getting behind Social Security reform?

(Yes, that's a hint.)


560+ millions of TRUMP hubris bashing, non stop. From the GOP. They are contemplating cheating him because they could not stop him. That tells me he is the real man for DNA level splicing of the system.




You sure? Doubt he will bring that type of change if he gets in office. He benefited from the system all his life. Why change it now? I believe reason why the establishment doesn't want trump in power is because they can't control him. Not like most other politicians. He looks like a loose cannon to them. Saying whatever is convenient for him at the time. But that doesn't mean he is very different from the rest of the establishment. Or the other donors and owners. How many politicians has he personally bought for example? And what did he ask of them?

The establishment will be on the DNA splicing table. And this is not just in the USA...


1393  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: April 01, 2016, 11:20:44 PM
Muslim Brotherhood an extension of the thought of Sayyid Qutb, those people have their own believes, they think its the real Islam but its not, they are not the source of Islam, Anyone support violence he is not a muslim because he violates the the main goal of Islam.
Islam mean in Arabic peace. Its clear
I wont call him muslim, i hate him and all his thoughts was bullshit.
Like hitler who killed millions of jews, He expressed himself and not the whole Christians.
Just like Sayyied Qutb or that bogdady the leader of ISIS.


Etymology and meaning

Islam is a verbal noun originating from the triliteral root s-l-m which forms a large class of words mostly relating to concepts of wholeness, submission, safeness and peace.[25] In a religious context it means "voluntary submission to God".[26][27] Islām is the verbal noun of Form IV of the root, and means "submission" or "surrender". Muslim, the word for an adherent of Islam, is the active participle of the same verb form, and means "one who submits" or "one who surrenders". Believers demonstrate submission to God by serving God, following his commands, and rejecting polytheism. The word sometimes has distinct connotations in its various occurrences in the Qur'an. In some verses, there is stress on the quality of Islam as an internal conviction: "Whomsoever God desires to guide, He opens his heart to Islam."[28] Islam, by its own inner logic, embraces every possible facet of existence, for God has named Himself al-Muḥīṭ, the All-Embracing.[29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam#Etymology_and_meaning




1394  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: April 01, 2016, 11:12:46 PM
560+ millions of TRUMP hubris bashing, non stop. From the GOP. They are contemplating cheating him because they could not stop him. That tells me he is the real man for DNA level splicing of the system.

All righty; I'm observing, not lobbying. Fancy that. Cheesy

To be honest, a lot of Donald Trump's campaign strategy can be figured out simply by reading The Art Of The Deal. Its kernel, I'm sure, is his advice to walk around the neighbourhood and get a feel for it and its inhabitants before buying a building. He's prolly had his poll-dependent rivals pegged as that newly-minted MBAer working for Prudential REIT that he lobbed off an apartment building to when he was still working with his dad.

This and no more has been his "secret sauce." He walked around the political "neighbourhood" and used his entrepreneurial skills to find out that there were a whole slew of folks that were all-but disenfranchised - and were really angry about it. His own view of the world aligning with theirs, he built his entire campaign representing them in a way that a poll-drive candidate would not have dreamed of.

The only question remaining: will his quintessentially entrepreneurial approach to campaigning - latching on to a populace that feels disenfranchised and re-enfranchising them - scale? Will it work in the general election?

To be honest, I don't know - and I'm someone who cheerfully bet money that Mr. Trump would win the Pubbie nomination a/o six months ago.


Every single step, the attacks, crisis, faux pas, foxnews kelly -TRUMP wars, all are written in his book. He said this much himself. No secrets.

The hubris was for the GOPe not to read the book.


 Cheesy


1395  Other / Politics & Society / Re: BERNIE SANDERS, WEIRDO IN CHIEF on: April 01, 2016, 11:06:06 PM
On a scale of a tribe or a family communism is more practical, in theory. Once you reach a certain amount of humans, socialism and communism implode like a dying star and capitalism makes much more sense on a country, continent, planet or galactic scale.

Shrewd! Add to that the fact that our wetware seems equipped to deal with ~150 people as unique individuals - ~150 and no more - and also add the fact that we subconsciously use those ~150 as allegories for the billions of people we can't possibly get to know, and you've got the basic recipe for a lot of feel-good 'ideals'. Especially amongst folks who grew up in tight-knit families or neighbourhoods. Or for that matter, have had sheltered lives.


Maybe you've just cracked the code for the law of diminishing returns for socialism: 150 humans.


 Smiley




So capitalism builds the starship. The centralized computer in it will be in charge of all the multiple groups of mega pods with 150 humans in them...

 Smiley

1396  Other / Politics & Society / Re: BERNIE SANDERS, WEIRDO IN CHIEF on: April 01, 2016, 11:02:40 PM
On a scale of a tribe or a family communism is more practical, in theory. Once you reach a certain amount of humans, socialism and communism implode like a dying star and capitalism makes much more sense on a country, continent, planet or galactic scale.

Shrewd! Add to that the fact that our wetware seems equipped to deal with ~150 people as unique individuals - ~150 and no more - and also add the fact that we subconsciously use those ~150 as allegories for the billions of people we can't possibly get to know, and you've got the basic recipe for a lot of feel-good 'ideals'. Especially amongst folks who grew up in tight-knit families or neighbourhoods. Or for that matter, have had sheltered lives.


Maybe you've just cracked the code for the law of diminishing returns for socialism: 150 humans.


 Smiley


1397  Other / Politics & Society / Re: BERNIE SANDERS, WEIRDO IN CHIEF on: April 01, 2016, 10:58:36 PM
On a scale of a tribe or a family communism is more practical, in theory. Once you reach a certain amount of humans, socialism and communism implode like a dying star and capitalism makes much more sense on a country, continent, planet or galactic scale.

(make sure to quote me if you intend to use this description in one of your lecture  Wink)




Hope better ways to distribute resources will exist before we go for the galaxy. For now, why socialism or capitalism only? Why not a mix of both? Not the mix we live in in most of europe, america, south america, etc. But for example using codetermination like in Germany. Then expanding from there. Not necessarily replacing capitalism.


Capitalism is about the maximizing the stuff you have, replacing it with better, smaller, cheaper, faster stuff.  By the time we'll be ready to hope from solar systems to solar systems, the cost per human will be as much as a round trip ticket on a greyhound bus.

By that time capitalism may not even be called capitalism anymore. But socialism is not compatible with star trekking because of its lack of vision in the future.


1398  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Up Like Trump on: April 01, 2016, 10:49:37 PM
Wasn't he responding to a hypothetical construct? He is not a politician, but he should have known better the media is after soundbites to play against him.

I've read more than a few people who said essentially the same thing. An interesting crack in the Trump FanclubTM.

Has he reached his hubris moment? Find out and see: he may have, he may not have. But he is going to have to pivot, most likely after the Republican nomination is a done deal. To a deal man like Trump, a deal done is a deal stuck to. If the Republican Party "signs the deal" making him the nominee, it's Trump's show. He and his supporters will make that plain.

Wasn't his hubris moment reached with the illegal mexicans comment? Maybe it was about islam? Could it be kelly's blood?

I've lost track. And those were way, way more potent.

Were they way, way more potent than getting behind Social Security reform?

(Yes, that's a hint.)


560+ millions of TRUMP hubris bashing, non stop. From the GOP. They are contemplating cheating him because they could not stop him. That tells me he is the real man for DNA level splicing of the system.


1399  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Thanks to capitalism, global poverty is at its lowest rate in history on: April 01, 2016, 10:35:46 PM
Capitalism gets a bad rap these days, often conjuring up images of greedy oil barons, sweatshop factories and polluted oceans, but a recent study shows exactly how much capitalism has helped the poorest of the world.

The study, conducted by Max Roser of the Institute for New Economic Thinking at Oxford University, shows that global poverty has declined dramatically over the last two centuries, with the sharpest declines coming just after industrialization began to take hold.

“In 1820 the vast majority of people lived in extreme poverty and only a tiny elite enjoyed higher standards of living,” Roser wrote in the report.


The nature of man should not be overlooked either. A lot of people have no respect for life or the planet. Some people are truly George Soros evil...


1400  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: April 01, 2016, 10:32:49 PM
Religion is a very sensitive topic to be discussed. Your post might hurt many islamic people's sentiments.
It is the terrorist who are spreading a wrong image of islam. I personally respect buddhism and jainism most. But defaming any religion is not accurate.


This thread has nothing to do with isis or terrorism. It is mostly about honor killings, child forced marriages, etc... You know, what some people with hurt feelings called cultural traditions.

 Cool



Mate you are just talking about ISIS who do such actions, we do not feel honor by killing people, its not allowed in our religion or tradition, also child marriages not damn allowed by tradition or even law.
girls can not get marriged before 18 years, so stop talking fake info about Arab countries.
Womens and even teen age girls get rapped in your countries 500% more than here.
Women can get rapped in street while you guys watching, here can never happened.
Btw, Im in a socitey where fathers do not allow their daughters to get married before they finish their high school,
So shut up and give us real info, not that one you heard from your fanatical jews friend or you found on internet.

This topic full off bullshits.


1) You are on the internet.
2) Can Jews go to heaven?



Jews in my believe they wont go heaven, but this not mean i do not respect them, I do not care i have jews friends, i wont kill them as u think, its something between them and allah ( god )
about Internet yes im and i love it, Islam not against internet, Im just saying find real info which is very near to the truth, not that fake one, im not forbiddin it for sure.


You still believe this thread is about terrorism or hurting other people. Check out post #2 made so long ago. No one is against the internet. A lot of people are against the message of some because they do not believe others can express themselves freely, even if they are physically 1000s of miles apart.

That is a problem my friend.



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