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141  Economy / Speculation / Re: btc crashing, the great sell off has begun on: April 04, 2013, 02:09:23 PM
want to put your money where your mouth is?
I already did.   Cool
142  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-04-03 THE FINANCIAL TIMES Bitcoin bubble grows and grows on: April 03, 2013, 10:39:38 PM
Can you copy the text here so we don't have to register?
143  Economy / Speculation / Re: 20 calls a day from large asset managers looking to invest up to $100m. on: April 03, 2013, 10:38:40 PM
most USD is created on a bank and is nothing more than a number on a database

now I hope I don't have to explain to you that costs near-zero energy to keepup
Please, explain again how banks don't use energy. /Wonka
144  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-04-03 The Guardian Confused about Bitcoin? It's 'the Harlem Shake of...' on: April 03, 2013, 09:40:48 PM
This is just an ugly friend type thing to make other articles look good, right?
LOL. It's nice when a dip to yesterday's prices (especially during significant problems with our largest exchange) is considered a crash. Oh noes! We're only up 1000% from a few months ago!
145  Economy / Lending / Re: looking for 15 BTC loan on: April 03, 2013, 09:10:24 PM
Your not investing does not bother me. It is the unchecked trolling that reflects poorly on the community.
I would also prefer the moderators banned you for your unchecked trolling. But I don't jump to the idiotic conclusion that trolls reflect on a community. Maybe it's because this isn't my first time on the intertubes.
146  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gox is an embarrassment... Coinlab and Coinbase should switch to other exchanges on: April 03, 2013, 07:56:50 PM
Especially with TH back on the scene and looking to cater to large fish.
147  Economy / Speculation / Re: btc crashing, the great sell off has begun on: April 03, 2013, 07:06:49 PM
OP has nothing to sell and enjoys looking foolish.
148  Economy / Speculation / Re: Anyone have fundamentals to support a higher value on BTC? on: April 03, 2013, 05:05:25 PM
"Bitcoin can protect their wealth against hyper-inflation"

I myself have long been concerned about eventual hyper-inflation however, that is not occurring with USD at the moment.  Nor do I know of any indicators that suggest it will happen in the near future.  The past two to three weeks I'd describe BTC as the currency hyper inflating.  In fact at this point I consider it an over price commodity and my link above will explains it in great detail if you go to the full article.

- I already included some of your fun things like Western Union and ATMs which is being considered but hasn't happened (Speculation).
- Many in mainstream think of Kim Dot Com as a criminal.  His greed and actions did cause him a lot of problems.  While he has had success his business methods differ from mine.  I'm more curious about those who see no risk in BTC.  Using a huge risk taker like him as an endorsement makes me think you must see the risk.

So far none of the points show me that BTC is going up based on its value as a currency.  Many new services may accept it but the volume before this run up does not indicate to me that this run up is not (above $50USD/BTC) speculation.  I counter the claim that those insisting this is a bubble don't know what is going on.  In return I say those claiming this is not a bubble do not understand that massive speculation always ends with disaster.  I'm sure I don't need to rehash all of the past run ups based on speculation we saw die.  Every since the 1990s I've made money shorting speculators.  It is a very simple method that makes a lot of money.

USD is experiencing a dramatically increased rate of inflation. Google Tomato Soup Index.

Bitcoin ATM is absolutely happening. Not speculation. Keep up.

The wonderful thing about Bitcoin is that if you're too dense to understand the problems with your statements, you are the one that suffers. It's another reason Bitcoin is going to succeed. People who are in the right finally get rewarded.

Have fun sticking to the "it's a bubble" nonsense, I've been hearing it since the price went from $2 to $3. You guys don't understand what Bitcoin is.
149  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: coinjedi / betsofbitco.in SCAMMERS: Declares "Push" on obvious win for BFL bet on: April 03, 2013, 04:57:37 PM
People need to stop turning to this forum's scammer tag as the end-all be-all of Bitcoin justice.

BoB screwed up big time, there's no doubt. But they're not trying to scam anyone, or they wouldn't have refunded the bet money. A scammer tag here won't accomplish anything constructive.

Instead, when a betting site proves that they are doing a poor job, boycott them, give your business to the competition. It's that simple.



This is silly reasoning.

By ruling the bet a push and returning the money, they can claim that this happened due to incompetence.  Coinjedi has already begun to plead incompetence.  He can understand why we may think he did a very poor job.  This is what corrupt officials always fall back on.  The referee who cheated is not going to admit to taking bribes, he'll just apologize for having such an off day.

Furthermore, it's already been pointed out that the decision they rendered doesn't point to incompetence but to simple corruption.  If you were watching a soccer game and an embarrassed looking referee disallowed 5 clear goals all against one team, would you assume it was some kind of cosmic fluke or would you reason that, given the amount of money involved on the outcome of the match, the game was fixed?

The BFL backers lost the bet.  There is no real controversy in that regard.  The BFL side failed on several different points.  Luke Jr. is working for BFL, the March 31 deadline was missed, the "product" shown is a prototype that is still being worked on and does not even have a case, the prototype was never shipped anywhere, the product Luke Jr. claims to have ordered did not even exist at the time the bet was consumated and was not among the 3 specific products mentioned...  I can go on, but there is no point.  I am not foolish enough to believe that any honest, intelligent person who is paying attention thinks that there was ambiguity.  There was none.  It was an open and shut case.  There is only one reasonable explanation for how and why this happened, and that is that betsofbitco.in had a stake in the outcome.

By your reasoning, even if we believe that an escrow or arbitrator is intentionally making bad decisions, we should not cry "theft" but should just shake our head and say "oh well, I guess I went with the wrong site".  That is not a reasonable position to take.  Think about this a little more seriously.

If you'd said they ruled for the other side of the bet, I'd agree. But they didn't. They said they accepted a bet that turned out to be too ambiguous to make a judgement and canceled it. Your examples don't make any sense in this case. And your "only one reasonable explanation" is horseshit. It's perfectly reasonable that the judge felt he couldn't make a fair decision. I disagree with him, but by using their site you are agreeing to let him make that decision.

What's silly is you thinking that getting a scammer tag here is constructive. Sorry, that's not going to do a goddamn thing. Use another site that you think deserves trust. The scammer tag was not meant to function as the BBB of the Bitcoin world. If you have a problem with that, the door's over there.
150  Economy / Speculation / Re: Anyone have fundamentals to support a higher value on BTC? on: April 03, 2013, 04:08:29 PM
More people finding out that Bitcoin can protect their wealth against hyper-inflation and outright deposit theft is all the reason we need to support prices many orders of magnitude higher than now.

And more people are definitely finding that out - we've had mainstream press pieces flooding in over the last few weeks.

Other recent fun things:
Bitcoin ATM's being mass produced and ordered for 30 countries.
Malta-based Bitcoin hedge fund allowing big money in through a means non-tech people are comfortable with.
Bitpay doing 5 million in transactions in March.
BitcoinStore.com making enough sales to keep their contract for another quarter.
Expensify integrating Bitcoin.
Western Union announcing plans to integrate Bitcoin.
Thousands of new small businesses adding Bitcoin support.
Real estate companies accepting Bitcoin.

And most fun: Every family member and friend I've talked to about Bitcoin calling me in the last week. It only took a 5000% rise in value.  Undecided

Our little "experiment" is snowballing in a huge way, and people insisting it's "just a bubble" have no clue what's going on.
151  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: coinjedi / betsofbitco.in SCAMMERS: Declares "Push" on obvious win for BFL bet on: April 03, 2013, 03:55:36 PM
People need to stop turning to this forum's scammer tag as the end-all be-all of Bitcoin justice.

BoB screwed up big time, there's no doubt. But they're not trying to scam anyone, or they wouldn't have refunded the bet money. A scammer tag here won't accomplish anything constructive.

Instead, when a betting site proves that they are doing a poor job, boycott them, give your business to the competition. It's that simple.
152  Economy / Lending / Re: looking for 15 BTC loan on: April 03, 2013, 12:59:16 PM
And he's stated that he doesn't think BTC is money.

Many red flags on this one.
153  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: First BFL ASIC! on: April 03, 2013, 03:44:19 AM
Very disappointed in Betsofbitco.in. This is a total copout. We all know they haven't shipped anything, and that the best they've done so far is cobble together a prototype that doesn't meet their advertised specs. Which is great! Congrats! But they soundly and completely lost this bet.

I had no money on the line for this, and if anything I would have taken the other side of this bet. I expected BFL to ship by now. I hope they fix their problems, build some working units, and ship soon. But they sure as hell haven't done that yet.
154  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: SC5 founds a Bitcoin Bank on: April 02, 2013, 08:38:03 PM
Can you guys stop feeding this troll? He's already devolved the conversation to name-calling, you won.

Has anyone confirmed that this SC5 announcement is not an April Fool's joke? Because it's pretty big otherwise.
155  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: First BFL ASIC! on: April 02, 2013, 04:31:05 PM
Who remembers Matthew's 10k BTC bet?
Well, by the "wording" of his bet one can argue that he did nothing wrong, and his scammer tag is not justified.
I agree with your conclusion that they should not be allowed to weasel out of the bet, just like MNW wasn't. But let's not go overboard. MNW's bet was not worded ahead of time to let him out of it, he looked like an utter fool for trying to argue that he had "left himself an out."
156  Economy / Speculation / Re: If no imminent financial Armageddon, Bitcoin fair value below $50? on: April 02, 2013, 03:55:32 PM
For people who never look at the news:
http://uptweet.com/viewStory?id=1135
http://www.businessinsider.com/cyprus-bitcoin-atm-guy-responds-2013-4
http://bitcoin.travel/listings/pacific-tradewinds-san-francisco-hostel/
http://bitcoin.travel/listings/altamira21-real-estate/

Stories from today.
157  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin hater logic on: April 02, 2013, 10:58:25 AM
Yes, it's exhausting. However, having the price go up 4000% helps.
158  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: Blockchain.info transaction reversed. Bitcoin lost on: April 02, 2013, 03:10:46 AM
lesson one
dont use online wallet for long term storage. only use for daily 'pocket money amounts'

I heartily agree. But you're posting about a blockchain.info incident. And calling blockchain.info an online wallet is not very accurate. Sure, they store encrypted online backups of your wallet for your convenience, but it's run locally. No trust is required.

I don't think there is anything wrong with using blockchain.info as your main wallet. They provide the tools to both secure and safely backup your wallet, along with many other services, and don't require that you download the blockchain. I usually recommend them to new users.
159  Economy / Speculation / Re: If no imminent financial Armageddon, Bitcoin fair value below $50? on: April 01, 2013, 10:27:08 PM
What do you think these people will do when they see the bitcoin price drop like a rock through their buying price? Look at the 2011 bubble.
Yes, please at 2011. Now look at what happened every time the price went down 20% in the last 2 months. Take a good look. There have already been plenty of opportunities to panic.

Where do you see any evidence for that? I could just barely believe a doubling of real-world use, but please tell me who buys which goods or services for bitcoin? namecheap.com or wordpress.com? Reddit Gold? Have you ever heard of anybody paying a bitcoin there?
Holy shit, are you serious? Can you possibly be serious? I see more evidence for it constantly. There was a reddit topic today about how 18k USD (at time of tip, not now) has been paid out through the reddit tipbot. That's 18k in just TIPS. There are new companies posting -every single day- now. Wordpress is big, yes. Expensify is HUGE. Bitpay has signed up thousands of businesses. I'm not going to sit here and spend 2 hours listing all the posts I've read in the last 6 months...if you're not bothering to keep up, then don't make ridiculous statements like "real world usage has not increased."

I'm posting this on my new monitor from BitcoinStore.com.



160  Economy / Speculation / Re: If no imminent financial Armageddon, Bitcoin fair value below $50? on: April 01, 2013, 09:56:36 PM
If bitcoin survives for another good number of years and does not get overtaken by something like a hypothetical bitcoin2, its prospects are, indeed, bright.

However, at the moment this rather extreme price bubble is about to severely damage its fair reputation.

Currently it is not the Cypriots or the Spaniards who buy bitcoin. It is only a growing bunch of newbie speculators and their mothers. The only reason why they buy bitcoin is because the price is rising. And the price is only rising because these people are buying bitcoin. This is how bubbles are made.

There has been no significant increase in real-world use of bitcoins. A few more companies are now accepting bitcoins, but very few customers actually pay in bitcoin. Therefore the price will sink back to pre-bubble levels within about half a year after this bubble bursts, which it may do within weeks.

As usual it is impossible to make any precise estimate about how high a bubble will go, because a single person can prick it by selling a lot of bitcoins and thus inciting a sell-off panic. If nobody does, such a bubble can grow to strange heights. But even then this one cannot grow to $1,000. As the Germans say, trees do not grow into heaven.

It is a bit difficult to say what the pre-bubble value is, because this one began before the previous one of 2011 was fully deflated. I am sure though that the bitcoin price will fall to some $20 level and quite possibly into the single digits. $50 is way out of reason. Let's talk again in half a year's time.

There are plenty of people besides the Cypriots and Spaniards (who ARE buying Bitcoin, as we have heard in first hand accounts) who want to use Bitcoin as a store of value to protect them against theft through confiscation and hyper-inflation. Increased demand for this utility of Bitcoin has and will continue to increase the price.

As for the rest of the statement, I'm not going to hold your hand through the last year's worth of developments and stories. But you must have been living under a rock if you think "real-world use" of Bitcoin hasn't significantly increased. That is just plain ludicrous.

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