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I'm trying to understand the use case/purpose for having the compressed address. Can anyone enlighten?
Compressed public keys are 66 hex characters. Uncompressed are 130 hex characters. Using compressed keys saves space in the block chain because the transaction size is smaller and potentially would reduce the transaction fee which is calculated by transaction size in the reference bitcoin implementation. There is no downside. Thank you!
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I'm trying to understand the use case/purpose for having the compressed address. Can anyone enlighten?
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Thank you for keeping this project alive. A true asset to the bitcoin community. Sending over a few bits now...
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Great to hear you are keeping this alive. The fact that it is still around is a testimony to your integrity and business acumen. Kudos!
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Imho there is no jump to be expected until next halving. Everything else happening is just noise. I've never seen the halving-drives-bubbles argument fully explained. It seems to me that since we are talking about CCMF price jumps of at least tenfold, and the inflation rate is nowhere near that, then either most bitcoins are immovable or the halving isn't in fact that important. For example, if we have an inflation rate of 10% per year but investment increases tenfold during the year, then we still get roughly a 9x increase in price. Now if half the coins are immovable, either because they are lost or because for some reason the holders refuse to cash any out, then the effective inflation rate looks more like 20%. If 3/4 of the coins are immobile, then 40%. And if investment only increases by say 4x per year, then I think that's only like a 2.5x price increase during the non-halving years. But 4x vs. 2.5x is still not that much of a difference. If the halving does make a huge difference, I would have to conclude that it's because few bitcoins actually make it to market for whatever reason. Perhaps it's the Bitcoin Baron's Paradox: "After the first few million dollars, why cash out any more? Fiat currency is a downright dangerous place to park your money!" (It could get frozen, banks could fail, dollar could collapse, etc. Gold has jurisdictional risks. Bitcoin is the ideal place for savings, so even if the price rises there is no reason to cash out very much more.) I believe the halfing will have strong impact and I think you answered your own question (why?) at least partly: a lot of coins are immobile. You're looking at inflation rate. Let me offer another way to look at this: (I'm assuming miners are selling 100% of mined coins for simplicity, the argument works with less) 3600 BTC are mined each day. At current market price that's $900,000 worth. These BTC are being bought every day by demand. Now this selling pressure halves and the demand stays the same. Surely what will happen is the price will rise. In case of constant demand of $900k/day it should rise to 500 USD/BTC (merely double). But neither supply nor demand stay constant in such a scenario: supply is likely to decrease, because miners get to hoard more and most importantly demand will rise. Yes, I know, economic theory says demand should drop with a higher price,... but that's forgetting human psychology and the hype a 100% price rise will cause. In other words: the halving (reduction of supply) itself is just the ignition, the real momentum comes from increase of supply. It worked last time, I think the Q1 2013 rally was caused (or at least substantially contributed to) by the halfing. Does this make sense at all or is it wishful thinking? Well, the halving is public knowledge so I would argue that this knowledge is already priced into the market. Other factors will drive the ebb and flow in price. In other words: supply is increasing at a fixed and known rate; demand will continue to fluctuate. EDIT: clarity.
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Any update on whatever came of this?
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weaker currencies --> perceived stronger currencies (U.S. Dollar) --> bitcoin
I don't see metals as useful a currency as bitcoin but they will, of course, appreciate against a collapsing dollar - just not as much as bitcoin in my opinion. Bitcoin could be the safety valve that preserves some semblance of a global economy and a somewhat civilized society since it will allow the continued trade across distance (metals not so much).
You're complicating what should be a simple issue. Resources are exchanged to benefit both transacting parties. You're assuming people find Bitcoin valuable as opposed to food, shelter, visa cards, beanie babies, whatever. Metals are more useful than Bitcoins in some circumstances. Not so in others. Same applies to credit cards, and so on. Under what realistic circumstances would Bitcoin "preserve some semblance of a global economy"? Bitcoin will likely be the final (or only) medium of exchange left that will enable people to trade for the food, shelter, etc. It will enable the global trade across distance to continue because it will be the only trusted currency that is not subject to the risk of being "backed" by the "full faith and credit" of bankrupt governments. It will allow the market economy to continue while preventing the total collapse into a barter economy. In short, it will save many from a lot of pain and suffering. And what exactly is bitcoin 'backed' by? Coins and fiat are backed by physical governments and militia. People can protest and throw rocks at politicians when shtf. You can't throw rocks online at miners maintaining the blockchains, or rogue exchange owners known only by internet screennames. Are you assuming the masses will just put all their 'faith' into a non-reversible, non transparent system backed by anonymous neckbeards should the world crumble? Sounds legit. You make the same mistake I did before I learned economics. Bitcoin is not backed by anything - just like gold isn't. They are each valued for their individual characteristics and utility. Humans impute value - there is no such thing as "intrinsic" or "inherent" value.
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weaker currencies --> perceived stronger currencies (U.S. Dollar) --> bitcoin
I don't see metals as useful a currency as bitcoin but they will, of course, appreciate against a collapsing dollar - just not as much as bitcoin in my opinion. Bitcoin could be the safety valve that preserves some semblance of a global economy and a somewhat civilized society since it will allow the continued trade across distance (metals not so much).
You're complicating what should be a simple issue. Resources are exchanged to benefit both transacting parties. You're assuming people find Bitcoin valuable as opposed to food, shelter, visa cards, beanie babies, whatever. Metals are more useful than Bitcoins in some circumstances. Not so in others. Same applies to credit cards, and so on. Under what realistic circumstances would Bitcoin "preserve some semblance of a global economy"? Bitcoin will likely be the final (or only) medium of exchange left that will enable people to trade for the food, shelter, etc. It will enable the global trade across distance to continue because it will be the only trusted currency that is not subject to the risk of being "backed" by the "full faith and credit" of bankrupt governments. It will allow the market economy to continue while preventing the total collapse into a barter economy. In short, it will save many from a lot of pain and suffering.
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Yes, I think the likely scenario is that, as the global slow-down continues, money will flow to the dollar first since it is perceived by many as the safest asset.
Then precious metals and housing secondly, as they will always maintain 'some' intrinsic value. Trust me, in a true SHTF scenario, NOBODY is going to want or care for bitcoin. They're going to want food, shelter, clothing, and nationally recognized currency that will be accepted anywhere with historical usage that extends back thousands of years: silver and gold. Besides the fact that I feel there is no such thing as "intrinsic" value (all values are subjective) I see the capital flowing this way: weaker currencies --> perceived stronger currencies (U.S. Dollar) --> bitcoin I don't see metals as useful a currency as bitcoin but they will, of course, appreciate against a collapsing dollar - just not as much as bitcoin in my opinion. Bitcoin could be the safety valve that preserves some semblance of a global economy and a somewhat civilized society since it will allow the continued trade across distance (metals not so much).
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Yeah, but you guys keep mentioning that if the worldwide stock markets tank, people will dump stocks and flock to bitcoin as a hedge (like they do gold). But if they treat bitcoin like a stock, then it will get dumped too.
Personally, I think this is the most likely scenario as well. ATM bitcoin is like a very risky commodity. Things would have to get really really ugly (like breaking some major rules thereby breaking trust in traditional systems) for bitcoin to become a 'safe haven' in case of a financial crash. Five or ten years from now, that might be a different story. Yes, I think the likely scenario is that, as the global slow-down continues, money will flow to the dollar first since it is perceived by many as the safest asset.
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Actually, in the above gvt attack scenario, arb bots help funnel BTC to scBTC faster thus increasing the speed at which the SC gains dominance.
Speaking of government attack scenarios, BitPay just hired Emperor Palpatine: this guy is a trojan horse and doesn't even know it I'm not sure what you're saying is he a government Trojan or an unsuspecting Bitcoin Trojan for government? THAT is the 64,000 BTC question!
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My quick and dirty valuation of BTC in 2020 is also based on M2. Not completely incomprehensible that BTC could be 5% of M2 by 2020, or $2300 or so per BTC.
When BTC starts taking bigger chunks out of fiat currencies, gold and bonds, you'll see quite a bit more than $2300 in 2020... Agreed. I predict bitcoin will continue to swallow and make other government currencies irrelevant. They will go the way of the Zimbabwe dollar.
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I love Bitcoin, but it seems they might love it even more than I do. Wow. Edit: market cap potential of $75 trillion? I think the S&P 500 passed $15 trillion last year, which would still put it at probably less than $17 trillion in cap. $4,291,060 per coin and they call me bullish I think they are not bullish enough. My long term prediction is that all government currencies will be swallowed by bitcoin as none will be able to compete. The dollar and all others will go the way of the Zimbabwe dollar. Heh. Yeah, weird when a price-per-bitcoin target in a research report about bitcoin-vs-gold gets people in *this* thread to say "uhhh....that's just too bullish". Myself included.
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FYI, Mycelium's development roadmap is
1) Implement HD wallets (about 95%+ done, and works fine in testnet Dev build, but still need to update LocalTrader and other minor things to work with it) 2) Move the entire infrastructure to Tor, meaning our nodes will be run as hidden servers, only accessible through Tor, and Mycelium Wallet will have Tor built in (hopefully this won't cause problems in blocked countries, like China or Iran) 3) Implement CoinJoin, using our nodes that are used for address lookup and broadcasts, to collect and broadcast mixing requests. Likely enable this as a default feature. We'll have to figure out if we'll need to follow the DarkWallet model of letting some users leave their coins to mix, or if we have enough transaction volume to do it on the fly. Maybe we'll even link with DarkWallet servers, and use the people looking to mix there.
Fantastic!
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I cannot code but I would love to see this project develop. If anybody wants to develop a wallet I'm sure there are many people like myself that would donate to help make it happen.
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must listen podcast of Robert Murphy by Tom Woods on Bitcoin and the Regression Theorum. it's a little past halfway in the podcast: http://www.schiffradio.com/pg/jsp/verticals/archive.jspMurphy's Conclusions: 1. Bitcoin is unique in that it was developed from the start to be a form of money and did not evolve as a commodity. 2. Bitcoin leapfrogged the barter phase whereby it would have established it's own relative value (intrinsic value) as a commodity in the market place against other items prior to becoming a medium of exchange. 3. the Regression Theorum is too restrictive as it could not have predicted something as innovative as Bitcoin.i extend his conclusions to say the Jeffrey Tucker's theory that Bitcoin only has value primarily b/c of it's payment network to be wrong. Woods alludes to Tucker's theory in the interview but clearly disagrees with it. Woods makes the correct argument that the reason ppl value the payment network is b/c the Bitcoin currency has value to begin with. IOW, the payment network would be worthless if Bitcoin the currency was worthless. this is where Andreas is also wrong when he says Bitcoin the currency is merely the 1st app existing on what is the real value, the blockchain and that they can be separated. same argument as Tucker's, same wrong conclusion. also by extension, Konrad Graf's theory that the RT is consistent with Bitcoin's origin is also tenuous, if not wrong, altho not quite as aggregious in its conclusions as Tucker and Andreas. as far as i'm concerned, Mises is a great economist who was right on just about all things except for the fact that his RT did not, and could not, have been expected to have predicted something like Bitcoin which depends on the Internet and a scale of global communication never before seen in human history. my final conclusion is the same one i've had since i started with Bitcoin back in 2011, and that is that Bitcoin the currency is inextricably linked to Bitcoin the blockchain and Bitcoin the payment network. Sounds like something I read a while back: Bitcoin: A New Commodity Created To Serve Market Demandhttp://economicsandliberty.wordpress.com/2011/06/22/bitcoin-a-new-commodity-created-to-serve-market-demand/and Bitcoin and Why Mises’ Regression Theorem is Wronghttp://economicsandliberty.wordpress.com/2012/10/30/mises-regression-theorem-is-wrong/
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there's no way any of the ETF's will allow settlement for retail investors with the underlying, be it gold or BTC.
This is why any retails who buy a Bitcoin ETF are fools. All they'll accomplish is give Wall Street their money so somebody else can have bitcoins.Is that what you mean? Not everyone has a lot of cash to buy bitcoins. Instead they have funds locked into tax shelters and a Bitcoin ETF might be a good option. 1. Set up a Self-Directed IRA 2. Have the IRA transfer funds to an LLC of which you are the manager 3. Buy bitcoins (take possession on behalf of the LLC) 4. Store securely via your preferred method. EDIT: For clarification, the IRA would invest in the LLC by buying all the shares/units. The LLC then, in turn, invests in bitcoin and takes possession.
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