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141  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: How soon before we see Mark Karpeles in court? on: February 28, 2014, 07:37:38 AM
His lawyers will probably be in court filing for bankruptcy within a week.
142  Other / Meta / Re: Australian FRAUD investigation to be launched against Bitcoin talk forum! on: February 28, 2014, 07:33:38 AM
This threads reminds me of Atlas.

More like dank.
143  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Janet Yellen makes Treasounous totally False statement on: February 28, 2014, 07:16:19 AM
Someone started their Friday night partying a little early (and has no idea what "treason" means).
144  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: List of court cases, complaints, regulatory actions, etc. on: February 28, 2014, 07:10:06 AM
Class action against MtGox filed in Chicago.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/209741761/Greene-v-MtGox-Inc-Mt-Gox-Class-Action
145  Bitcoin / Legal / Class action against MtGox filed in Chicago. on: February 28, 2014, 07:08:29 AM
http://www.scribd.com/doc/209741761/Greene-v-MtGox-Inc-Mt-Gox-Class-Action
146  Other / Meta / Re: Australian FRAUD investigation to be luanched against Bitcoin talk forum! on: February 28, 2014, 06:13:35 AM
Seems legit...
Their government is slaughtering endangered sharks after all.

The Australian government has nothing to do with the shark cull.  That's the Western Australian government (Queensland and WA are our Florida and Arizona) and it's the subject of legal appeals right now.
147  Other / Meta / Re: Australian FRAUD investigation to be luanched against Bitcoin talk forum! on: February 28, 2014, 05:50:50 AM

 Roll Eyes



I'm pretty sure MtGox is hated on this forum more than anywhere else.  If MtGox got robbed and is insolvent, the mods did not stand to benefit at all.

Please remove your tinfoil hat and tell your nanny state government to redirect its resource towards something more useful.

Like banning small boobs:

http://theweek.com/article/index/105766/australias-small-breast-ban

I followed your link and this really is too funny, Roll Eyes Grin (but unfortunately not surprising)!

Having spent 5-weeks in Australia last year with my family I have to agree that it really is a nanny police state.

Despite the natural beauty of the country (and the many friendly people who live there), I would recommend any freedom loving person to stay away! That is unless you enjoy being harassed by over zealous police, customs and border immigration officers...

The link is to a 2010 story about how a whack-job politician wanted laws applied.
148  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Leaked: Just before Bitcoin catastrophe, MtGox dreamed of riches on: February 28, 2014, 05:44:38 AM
Nothing new.  All of this was known yesterday.

http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/
149  Other / Meta / Re: Im pretty sure messages are getting deleted from my inbox Im calling the cops on: February 28, 2014, 05:20:11 AM
And the cops will care why?  It's a private forum, they can delete anything they want.  They can delete everyone's PMs and posts if they they want to.

The only thing calling the cops is likely to result in given that you're clearly off the planet at the moment is an involuntary weekend away in a psych ward.
150  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Poll: Who should acquire & bailout MtGox? on: February 28, 2014, 05:16:55 AM
Why would anyone buy MtGox?
This would be a mistake for the buyer.
The buyer would probably pay a symbolic price of 1 dollar to Mark Karpeles, and promises to settle all client funds with cash.
The true cost for the buyer would land on 100-500 million dollars as we don't know exactly how much money and bitcoin they miss.

What do the buyer gain when buying MtGox? They get 1 million clients, most of them are verified.

As I mentioned Facebook paid 19 billion dollars for WhatsApp, so 500 millions for the no.1 bitcoin exchange is peanuts.

Approximately half of the people on MtGox database are verified.  Just paying out customer balances would work out to a ridiculous amount per customer for simply acquiring the database.  Buying the database wouldn't solve any of the other issues which limit the potential for operating tGox as a viable business, such as the regulatory issues or creating new infrastructure - you'd be looking at significant additional costs for addressing those issues.

Realistically, you could likely start a new exchange from scratch for what it would cost to acquire the MtGox customer database.
151  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fincern Liable for Mtgox customer Losses on: February 28, 2014, 05:01:17 AM
i wouldn't mind if fincen bailed out mtgox. not likely though

FinCEN has no power to "bail out" anyone.
152  Other / Meta / Re: Australian FRAUD investigation to be luanched against Bitcoin talk forum! on: February 28, 2014, 04:57:15 AM
Translation : OP has filed a report with Australian authorities making certain allegations in relation to the collapse of MtGox and Australian authorities may investigate those allegations.

There have been many threads in which posters have indicated that they contacted their local authorities regarding the collapse of MtGox.  There's little doubt that investigators will look for evidence on Bitcointalk as they've done in previous investigations (pirate, SR).  

MtGox posted here a lot in its early days and the forums certainly provide a historical record of them making claims in respect of the legality of their operations as well as a record of the times when significant players within the Bitcoin community have vouched for MtGox.  That doesn't imply any legal obligation on the part of these forums to ensure that information posted here in respect of MtGox is correct or for individuals who use or operate this forum to disclose to others what they know about MtGox.  Legally speaking, collusion requires fairly specific types of acts.  

So yeah, it's likely that whichever authorities end up investigating MtGox will look to these forums for evidence.  Nations other than Japan and the US may or may not conduct their own investigations (they may simply request information from agencies conducting the primary investigations).  That's not the same thing as investigating the operators (including the moderators) of these forums (OP's post history shows that he's previously accused mods of "covering up" for MtGox by moving threads to sub-forums which get less traffic).
153  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fincern Liable for Mtgox customer Losses on: February 28, 2014, 04:21:18 AM
I think Fincen should be liable since after all MtGox was licensed by FinCen and Fincen got 5 million from Gox which was really their customers money, so to some degree FinCen is liable since they got involved with Gox. Only a good lawyer can answer to what degree they are liable, I am not a lawyer.

MtGox wasn't "licensed by FinCEN".  FinCEN doesn't license anyone.  It's a Department of the US Treasury which is responsible for collecting financial intelligence.  Licensed financial services are required to register with FinCEN and provide it with certain information in relation to transactions conducted by their business.

The MtGox funds which were seized by the government were seized by the Department of Homeland Security.  More specifically, it was the US Secret Service (a department within DHS) which obtained the warrants to seize the funds.
154  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Nobody has the authority to regulate Bitcoin on: February 27, 2014, 10:23:17 PM
Saying that a given entity currently has no power to regulate something means little.  They can be given that power or it can be given to another government agency. 
155  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: NO PROOF MtGox is insolvent - Document possibly a Hoax? - STOP THE FUD! on: February 26, 2014, 12:50:21 AM
Bottom line.  There are only two possibilities here:

1.) They are in fact insolvent which indicates absolute incompetence.
2.) Outright fraud.

Actually 1 is not an option, because noone is so retarded as to lose 99% of their funds under management.

LOL.  I take it you've never worked for small business.  Even huge companies lose staggering amounts of money on a regular basis due to flawed accounting processes.  It's even more common in smaller businesses where an owner/operator randomly chooses an accounting system they like when the business is small and never upgrades the accounting system as the business grows.  Throw in a lack of independent oversight of accounts and it's frighteningly easy for a business to run out of money before they realised any was missing.

You could, however, argue that the failure to institute proper accounting systems (which would have instantly revealed the discrepancy between the book balances of their BTC accounts and the actual balances as confirmed by the blockchain) constituted negligence on the part of MtGox.  Many smaller businesses than MtGox hold large amounts of funds belonging to others (real estate agents, lawyers, accountants, etc) and manage to ensure that the actual balances in their accounts reconcile with the numbers in their spreadsheets. 

It's shockingly easy to automate the reconciliation and verification process so that any discrepancies generate an immediate alert and no further transactions can take place until the problem is sorted.  In the 21st century, that verification process should be nearly constant and discrepancies detected in almost real time.
156  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: How to recover your money as a small time investor with funds in mtgox on: February 26, 2014, 12:24:36 AM
Mark's confirmed that the information in the "leaked document" is essentially true.

IRC chatlog.

http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/179038-my-conversation-mark-karpeles-mtgox-2.html#post2164682

FinCEN is aware of the reports regarding MtGox.

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Steve Hudak, spokesman for Treasury's anti-money laundering unit, the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), said it is "aware of the reports regarding Mt. Gox" but had no additional comment. To date it is the only U.S. regulatory agency to have any oversight of Mt. Gox.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/25/us-mtgox-website-idUSBREA1O07920140225

Information on Japanese insolvency processes.

http://www.jurists.co.jp/en/topics/others_4007.html

http://www.bingham.com/Publications/Files/2012/02/A-Practical-Guide-to-Japanese-Insolvency-Procedures

Those consulting Western lawyers should make sure to mention the various legal actions already in progress, including actions by regulators (the seizure of funds by DHS and the investigation into SR money laundering activities).  The advice you get is only going to be as good as the information you provide, so leaving out critical information which may affect the viability of legal action is against your own best interests.

157  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Announcing nationwide petition drive to get city hall to bail out bitcoin. on: February 26, 2014, 12:14:20 AM
Who in the hell is "city hall" in this case anyway?  Exactly who do you think should be bailing out an unregulated Japanese business?  Businesses fail every day owing more than MtGox.  Should they all get a bail out too?
158  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: MtGox Bitcoin Lawsuit on: February 26, 2014, 12:11:16 AM
Mark has admitted in IRC that the information in the "leaked document" is essentially true but not produced by MtGox.

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[10:58] <JonWickedFire> Is that Crisis Strategy Draft even legit?
[11:04] <MagicalTux> more or less
[11:05] <MagicalTux> as the name suggests it's a draft, and it's a bunch of proposals to deal with the issue at hand, not things that are actually planned and/or done
[11:06] <MagicalTux> this said this document was not produced by MtGox
[11:07] <JonWickedFire> I saw some strategies in there that I had shared with you, but also saw some things in there that I would have never suggested anyone ever go through with as it would make you look horrible..
[11:07] <JonWickedFire> I think a lot of people ignored the draft part.
[11:08] <JonWickedFire> It was just really surprising to see that being "leaked"..
[11:10] <JonWickedFire> Do you think it was leaked by someone purposely to hurt you personally or gox in general?
[11:13] <MagicalTux> [01:09:51] <JonWickedFire> Do you think it was leaked by someone purposely to hurt you personally or gox in general? <- I have some doubts

http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/179038-my-conversation-mark-karpeles-mtgox-2.html#post2164682

Those considering lawsuits should ensure that any lawyers they consult are aware of the high likelihood that Japanese insolvency proceedings will be a factor in any legal claims.

Please don't let yourselves be talked into paying lawyers proposing actions which will probably be futile.  An unenforceable judgement isn't worth the paper on which it's written.

FinCEN has already acknowledged that it's aware of reports regarding MtGox - the feds already know about this shit.

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Steve Hudak, spokesman for Treasury's anti-money laundering unit, the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), said it is "aware of the reports regarding Mt. Gox" but had no additional comment. To date it is the only U.S. regulatory agency to have any oversight of Mt. Gox.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/25/us-mtgox-website-idUSBREA1O07920140225
159  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: MT GOX ACTION THREAD on: February 25, 2014, 11:26:19 PM
Someone who is a regular on this forum, please make a thread that composes the lawsuits and actions into one area so we are all united against the crooks at MT Gox.

...

This is the time for action, and furthermore if Mt Gox is disciplined it will only bring bitcoin to new levels.

I wholeheartedly concur. I'm looking into the best way to get a non-trivial amount of BTC back from Gox, and a central place with the information there is would be very helpful.

No-one can tell you the best way because no-one knows MtGox's actual financial situation.  There are numerous threads in this sub-forum on the various options being explored by others, but the viability of those options depends on information we simply don't have at the moment.

You pretty much need to read the threads about each of the options and weigh up the pros and cons of each for yourself.  If you want someone else to decide the best option for you, then you need to consult a lawyer.  If you consult a lawyer, then you need to remember that a lawyer in your own jurisdiction may have no familiarity whatsoever with Japanese legal processes and that actions taken by others may render your own intended actions futile.  Any lawyer who tells you that recovering your funds will be simple is lying.

For what it's worth, FinCEN has acknowledged awareness of the reports regarding MtGox.

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Steve Hudak, spokesman for Treasury's anti-money laundering unit, the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), said it is "aware of the reports regarding Mt. Gox" but had no additional comment. To date it is the only U.S. regulatory agency to have any oversight of Mt. Gox.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/25/us-mtgox-website-idUSBREA1O07920140225
160  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: MtGox Bitcoin Lawsuit on: February 25, 2014, 11:06:02 PM
Dear FBI - Mt Gox, the company that traded Magic the Gathering Cards, stole my Magic Internet Money... Mind you I transact this Magic Internet Money in sub 10k usd volumes as to avoid IRS scrutiny, and paying taxes / dealing with regulation,  But now that they are gone, I want you to step in , using tax payer money,  and get back my magic internet money, to which I wont pay taxes for.


Yeah that will go over well... Let me know how you make out with the Bureau,, When I see anyone at mt gox in handcuffs, ill apologize.

They could still end up in handcuffs as a result of federal investigations already in progress.  No doubt the OP will want kudos if that happens.
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