It's also disturbing that redsn0w is taking it upon himself to close the original moriea's loan request thread, along with all the others, under the guise of stopping spam. Closing the fake moriea's threads is one thing, but closing moriea's own threads, and demanding the lender find another way to contact him is unacceptable behavior.
Wait, he's closing threads started by others? How? Who is in control of what accounts now and who is the 'fake moriea'? The person who hacked the original account, but that account is now back under the control of redsnow? Someone hacked Moriea's account and created bunch of threads that made redsn0w look bad. When redsn0w was eventually able to recover access to the account he locked the threads via the moreia account. A list of the threads is here |
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You're clearly overexaggerating. I didn't bump it every few hours. I did bump it twice in a 24 hour period yes, excuse me for that. Now quit spamming this topic. This is against the rules. You should be banned for that. It was actually more then that. It was closer to 3 times in ~30 hours and after they were deleted (because of my report?) he bumped again which apparently deleted again (then we have this thread which is essentially a fresh bump) IMO a single bump in less then 24 hours is not worth a ban, however bumping this often is probably more worth it. |
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Is this the same account from this thread? I don't see the need to start a new thread. I do, there's no way to "bump" the thread and it's full of spam. Please keep this thread clean. There is no way to bump the thread because I keep reporting your bumps that occur every few hours. Please stop bumping more then every 24 hours. There is a reason the rule is in effect and when you bump more often it is unfair to others who are trying to utilize the digital goods section |
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That you actually were in control of the amount of collateral you were claiming to be willing to offer
Ahh well sure, yes I can, but again I don't see how this is relevant to redsn0w. Please don't post off-topic replies in the Meta forum. It is not off topic. Your lack of ability to sign such a message would further support the negative trust you were given |
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but you are asking to borrow BTC in order to spend BTC  how would doing that benefit you? I understand how borrowing BTC that is secured by NXT would help you (as I explained how it would help others who are wanting to use alt coins as collateral), but a BTC loan that is secured by BTC does not make sense to me EDIT: also for clarification, I did not ask to borrow money from the OP, I was offering to lend money to the OP EDIT2: I would also be curious to know if the OP can sign a message from an address containing at least 1 BTC or 53k NXTI still have not heard back from you regarding the bolded quote If you are asking if I am an asset issuer yes, but I can't really use OPM to finance my personal investments. What would signing such a message prove? (BTW BearMining alone is worth over 3 million NXT/150 BTC) That you actually were in control of the amount of collateral you were claiming to be willing to offer |
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but you are asking to borrow BTC in order to spend BTC how would doing that benefit you? I understand how borrowing BTC that is secured by NXT would help you (as I explained how it would help others who are wanting to use alt coins as collateral), but a BTC loan that is secured by BTC does not make sense to me EDIT: also for clarification, I did not ask to borrow money from the OP, I was offering to lend money to the OP EDIT2: I would also be curious to know if the OP can sign a message from an address containing at least 1 BTC or 53k NXTI still have not heard back from you regarding the bolded quote |
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it was a mistake to make the email public and you should never be posting or messaging from an account under escrow IMO.
I disagree. Change the email to a general escrow mailbox so that everyone can see the account is in escrow. You can only have one account associated with a specific email address. You can change the personal message/signature to reflect the status of the account |
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Yes you made a mistake by not changing it..who cares what he said. You lost control of something you were escrowing. Let's see what the admins say about the ip's. Morea should not have to pay early...he should pay according to the loan terms.
So I made a mistake and he is a liar because ( ~ 10-15 min ago ) he told me :  ( but it is a valid email) Or maybe am I wrong ? Having an email with a domain that does not offer email services is the best route to take. I assume that gmai.com is not a website that offers email services so it would be impossible to recover an account via email (if this was true). The best practice would be to have changed the email address to moreia@bitcointalk.org because we know that the forum does not offer email services and that no one can register the domain to receive any emails sent to that address. Even if you changed the email to 6xM58yd@UvjAW.com someone could potentially register the domain UvjAW.com and recover the account if they knew what domain you were using. |
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But it is not due for another 6 days?!!!!! i need this loan for my project as I stated in my borrowing thread!!  I will have the interest and loan just like I promised by the end date, please, can we just continue this deal like normal Why does everything have to go wrong on this forum, why are there so many cons. This is bullshit. All deals have been smooth now this last deal has been havoc. Why!?! That doesn't matter, just repay. You are aware of what happened. Repay the loan because of all the happenings and then you'll get your account back and eventually the mods can recover your account to its original state. I don't think it would be appropriate for Moreia to have to adhere to different terms just because the escrow messed up. |
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So to earn a trust rating you have to have done trades with other members of the community? Is that what I am gathering from all of this?
Consistent successful trading is the most popular way to garner trust from other members, but certainly not the only way. Think of how you'd trust someone on a daily basis offline...buying and selling goods can lead to a trustful relationship over time, but so can consistent "trustworthy" behavior (i.e. following through on your promises / keeping your word, adding value to the community, etc). Personally, I value a member's historical behavior more than I do their past trades. You should not trust someone just because they make "good" posts. Many sociopaths are very smart people and will routinely scam. So someone can just click on my account and give me a positive feedback rating just because they like what I have to say? I always thought that you had to do successful trades or borrowing from people to earn a trust rating. I would love to start building my trust rating on BCT talk account because I do take a lot of pride in my account and work really hard to deliver the best opinions that I can on any subjects or threads I post on. But another question I have to ask is when a lender asks for collateral and says that a third party escrow can hold it, how do you find a third party escrow person and how would you know that they are trustworthy? I wouldn't mind possibly looking into taking a small loan to start building my trust rating but I have not the slightest clue on how to go about it. Could someone please answer these questions for me? That would be greatly appreciated  Cheers Someone can give you a trust rating for any reason they want. The majority of trust ratings you get should be from actual trades, although there can be exceptions (for example someone sees that someone is trying to scam, or if someone is otherwise considered to be trustworthy) |
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... You probably shouldn't have a password reset question at all (you can just leave it blank). Moderators tend to not get involved in these kinds of disputes. There was a thread several months ago when another lender loaned bitcoin to people with the accounts as collateral without actually taking control of the accounts, and wanted the mods to give him control of the accounts. The moderators did not appear to want to do this. Although an exception may be made in this case as we are talking about a ban verses ownership. I would say that in order for redsn0w's escrow obligations to be fulfilled to lihuajkl either .88 needs to be sent to lihuajkl (unlikely at this point - at least not from Moreia) or the Moreia account be delivered to lihuajkl in the same condition that it was in when it was put into escrow (e.g. no additional negative trust and not banned). Although it is possible for either to happen because of actions of the previous owner of the account (prior to the account going into escrow) this is clearly not the case. Now I have the account , I'm really disappointed this is a very bad situation only for a mistake of random letters in the email address. Maybe the staff members can unBan the forum account and I can send it to lihuajkl if the loan will not be repaid. moreia_alt has posted claiming to have never been online since he gave up control of his account. Unless you are infected with malware the only two scenarios are that either moreia_alt was posting from his 'main' account and came back once he got banned to claim innocence or you decided to troll with the account. Based on how much he appears to have tried to damage your reputation I somewhat doubt the latter. This very much does look like a confidence scam to me (with a very interesting twist) but I would say the chances of repayment is going to be something greater then 0 (although still very far from 100%) |
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I say we get moreia's account unbanned and hand it over to lihuajkl. I'll remove my negative Trust at that point, and if we can get it cleared of all the trusted red, it's actually not a bad deal for an aged account like that.
I was quickly and I've changed the password , forum question and email of his account (thanks @niktitan132). Now I would like to ask the staff members if them can unBan the forum account so lihuajkl can recover at least a part of the amount ( and obviously I will remove the negative feedback). I will post a signed message soon from moreia's forum account. I forgot , I can't post from his account.  You probably shouldn't have a password reset question at all (you can just leave it blank). Moderators tend to not get involved in these kinds of disputes. There was a thread several months ago when another lender loaned bitcoin to people with the accounts as collateral without actually taking control of the accounts, and wanted the mods to give him control of the accounts. The moderators did not appear to want to do this. Although an exception may be made in this case as we are talking about a ban verses ownership. I would say that in order for redsn0w's escrow obligations to be fulfilled to lihuajkl either .88 needs to be sent to lihuajkl (unlikely at this point - at least not from Moreia) or the Moreia account be delivered to lihuajkl in the same condition that it was in when it was put into escrow (e.g. no additional negative trust and not banned). Although it is possible for either to happen because of actions of the previous owner of the account (prior to the account going into escrow) this is clearly not the case. |
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So to earn a trust rating you have to have done trades with other members of the community? Is that what I am gathering from all of this?
Consistent successful trading is the most popular way to garner trust from other members, but certainly not the only way. Think of how you'd trust someone on a daily basis offline...buying and selling goods can lead to a trustful relationship over time, but so can consistent "trustworthy" behavior (i.e. following through on your promises / keeping your word, adding value to the community, etc). Personally, I value a member's historical behavior more than I do their past trades. You should not trust someone just because they make "good" posts. Many sociopaths are very smart people and will routinely scam. |
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I thought about this a lot when designing the Trust system, but unfortunately there just isn't any way to protect against long-term con men. If someone sets out with the goal of building up trust for several years and then pulling a massive scam, and if he's skilled at hiding his true intentions, I don't think that anything will stop him. You just have to try to minimize the risk and impact of getting scammed by such people.
An important point of increased risk is when trusted people start aggregating BTC from a lot of people. For example, TradeFortess had tons of successful trades, some very large, but through inputs.io he could scam hundreds of people at once. And each inputs.io user was probably thinking, "TF has handled thousands of bitcoins at once without problems -- there's no way he'd steal my measly 0.5 BTC." But since he can steal from many people at once, the scam becomes worthwhile. (I'm assuming here that TF stole user deposits, which I am still not completely sure about.)
I don't think this is so much a flaw in the trust system that it is a flaw in how people tend to trust others. |
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I thought this was escrow 101 - always make sure any collateral is 100% "in hand" before confirming that it is safe to send Bitcoin (when it comes to loans).
This is one reason I would never considering offering escrow services. If one party scams you then you are held responsible.
He had the collateral in hand, he made a mistake in not changing the email. No harm done, nobody else got scammed except that redsn0w has to suffer some headache. that is not having it in hand. That is taking his word that he will not recover the account once he gets the loan I've seen this email : sfdsfsfsfs@mail.com and I thought it was a random letters. Then I didn't change the email , but it is the first time *I've always changed it*. that was probably the point of him setting it to that email. |
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I thought this was escrow 101 - always make sure any collateral is 100% "in hand" before confirming that it is safe to send Bitcoin (when it comes to loans).
This is one reason I would never considering offering escrow services. If one party scams you then you are held responsible.
He had the collateral in hand, he made a mistake in not changing the email. No harm done, nobody else got scammed except that redsn0w has to suffer some headache. that is not having it in hand. That is taking his word that he will not recover the account once he gets the loan |
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I thought this was escrow 101 - always make sure any collateral is 100% "in hand" before confirming that it is safe to send Bitcoin (when it comes to loans).
This is one reason I would never considering offering escrow services. If one party scams you then you are held responsible.
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You need to wait 360 seconds to post after you have logged in, sent a PM or posted (I think leaving trust counts for this as well).
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Sadly niothor was a sold account :/ it was purchased by Moreia and sold it to someone else before it got negative trust
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Don't spam forum for your paid signature.
Can you please elaborate it? This is my account: bornil267645 Looking at the last 3 pages of your posts, exactly all of your posts are exactly one sentence. You should contribute to the conversation when posting instead of posting to advertise your signature (and get paid) |
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