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1521  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Low market !!! on: March 05, 2014, 04:07:00 PM
hi all
I have 400 KH/S hashing power 3 weeks ago i was having $5 daily with BTC/USD rate about 650
and todays am having only about $2 daily with same BTC / usd rate and same HAshing power

and i use always profit switch pools like clevermining and wafflepool

any one share this with me or have solution for this ?


I'm not sure what you're expecting here in terms of a solution.

If btc/usd price stays the same but there is either an increase in difficulty and/or a drop in alt-coin/btc value, then you will make less money.  

Also, mining at profit-switching pools that mine the most profitable coin doesn't necessarily mean that you'll end up getting the most profit, especially if that's what the majority of people are doing.
1522  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 22 Messages From Creationists To People Who Believe In Evolution on: March 05, 2014, 03:39:23 PM
I'm still awaiting your logical explanation of stasis in the fossil record:

Easy: "Punctuated Equilibrium"

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/VIIA1bPunctuated.shtml


Again, a quick Google search will turn up the current scientific theory as well as the ranting and ravings of butthurt creationists.


Your cartoons, although cute, have still failed to show a shred of physical evidence.  And I dont buy the "relatively small population size, the rapid pace of change, and their isolated location" caused the "lack of preservation."

But to sum up your cartoons, you are saying:  over the course of 100 million years, a small amount of a species ran away from the others like them, then mutated into a better or even new species, and then re-incorporated and caused their old friends to go extinct?

Can you show any proof for an alternate theory?

The evidence which supports evolution can be used to equally support alternative theories, e.g. one in which the mechanism for adaptation isn't vertical and lateral gene transfer, but rather adaptations of consciousness which are evidenced by vertical and lateral gene transfer.
1523  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 22 Messages From Creationists To People Who Believe In Evolution on: March 05, 2014, 01:43:24 AM
Becomes accepted -> by the peer review system and here is important to put a note that it may become accepted as viable theory, not yet as factual data.
The theory of evolution goes around the development of the species until what we know today, it's not about the "origin of life" itself but "life as we know it" if you prefer.
You can have strong evidences without empirical evidence, but you won't get out of the theory realm unless you can prove it empirically. And still, science isn't meant to assume something to be true beyond contest, even the most proved thing can be being analyzed by the wrong prism and therefore providing false results. "Truth beyond contest" that's what the religious Dogma is for.

1)  To me, the major problem with the peer review system it that it prevents grant funding for anything that isn't backed by academia, e.g. the hobbyist genius who fucks with explosives in his methlab and sent his cat on a round trip to outer space.  Consequently, this leads to 'business' science in which the vast majority of grant money is funneled to corporations and product research.  Basically, keeping the peer-review system as the staple for scientific progress is a good way to ensure that progress happens slowly.

2)  Not even "life as we know it." All it's about is adaptation and the mechanisms that cause it.  One of the reasons for this is that a theory on the evolution of specific species requires a good definition of species.  The problem is that there's currently no known (at least, I've never seen it) definition of species that includes every single living thing, without exception.  My personal opinion is that the best definition of species is "the offspring of the same species."  For example, I am human because I have two human parents.  Science has yet to figure out a way to model a theory of species on top of evolution.

3)  No, you always have theories in science.  The only proof in science is 'proof within a margin of error'.  A sound math proof or a logical tautology contains no margin of error.

4)  Science makes assumptions it can't even study via its own methods.  And, interestingly, every scientific theory ever produced contains assumptions; this is self-evident because of the statistical margin of error I mentioned in point #3.

5)  Science itself is simply a theory about knowledge acquisition.  Any discipline is such a theory, but they range in scope.  Philosophy is the most broad and it provides the tools necessary to analyze both abstract and empirical information.  Mathematics and physics represent the abstract and empirical descendants of philosophy.  Math then branches off into other abstract disciplines (e.g. geometry, calculus, trigonometry, etc.), and physics branches into other empirical disciplines (e.g. biology, chemistry, anthropology, etc.).  
1524  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 22 Messages From Creationists To People Who Believe In Evolution on: March 04, 2014, 11:14:02 PM
The worrying part of those questions is to see that Creationists still lack any basic sense of what Science is.
Science isn't a belief system, up to deal with philosophical non-sense, such as "why are there sunsets" or to cast dogmatic "truths" based on deities.
Science is a stone cold system where one must assume to not know what isn't yet known, and of that you can formulate theories and have them challenged by the community until it becomes accepted as theory, a theory which isn't anywhere nearly assumed as "truth" as any Creationist does about that Adam and Eve thing.

Obviously Evolution has evidences, such as fossils, Creationism lacks any form of evidence at all but a rotten book that must be assumed as "true" because itself says it is "true".
Under the scientific view Creationism and Evolution are two theories about the origin of life where one of them is more accepted due to evidences provided and the other is just a plain load of magical bullshit.

Referring to bolded sections:

1) Stone cold for empirical study; useless for abstract study.

2) Peer-review is great...

3) ...ad-populum is not.  The peer-review system is the scientific community's greatest asset, and largest weakness.

4) The theory of evolution has basically nothing to do with the origin of life on Earth.

5) You can have proof without empirical evidence -- that's what philosophy and math are all about.  Don't fall victim to false dichotomies.
1525  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 22 Messages From Creationists To People Who Believe In Evolution on: March 04, 2014, 09:35:30 PM
Referring to comments about "non-material" aspects of a human, etc....

...Another word for "non-material" is "abstract," and a close relative of "abstract" is "mental."  An abstract or mental component *must* exist in order to facilitate communication -- information is absolutely unintelligible unless there is something to process that information in an intelligible way, such as a mind.

It's an unsound leap to state that the material world exists and could exist independent of all minds because there would be nothing intelligible about the leftover information so as to even allow it to be described as material or existent.  

BitChick has some valid points, and even a few downright compelling arguments that are too easily dismissed by this crowd.  While I don't agree with all ideas she has put forth, I'd encourage some of her critics to refuse the impulse to dismiss all of her ideas as invalid.  Seriously, blasting Creationists seems to have become the dumb scientist's favorite joke.  I think that many of you simply believe that one or several false statements renders all of her arguments invalid.  That's stupid.
1526  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 22 Messages From Creationists To People Who Believe In Evolution on: March 04, 2014, 01:59:37 PM

You didn't score anything -- we're not even playing on the same board.

I'm not going to debate against someone who adamantly claims he understands the arguments I present when he clearly does not.

The reason that it's clear you have no idea what I'm trying to say is because you pulled the "he said something that doesn't epitomize the glory of the scientific method, so he obviously must hate anything and everything resulting from the scientific method" straw man of of your you-know-what.

I'm very glad we're not on the same board, as this means my communications skills are all good.
I like your last sentence, as it gives away all your bias. Keep it if you like of couse, but seriously, keep it for yourself unless you enjoy presenting yourself like a fool in public.
You said what you said in public. I you feel misunderstood - seriously rethink your most basic communication skills. They're non-existant on that case (for whatever reasons).

To me, that isolated case is closed anyway.

Referring to bold highlights:

1) No, it doesn't.  Communication skills maybe, but good at logical deductions, no.

2) Do you know what a straw man is?  I'm telling you its a straw man, and yet you still managed  to come up with more nonsense.  If pointing out your logical fallacies implies bias, then I'm biased as f***.
1527  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 22 Messages From Creationists To People Who Believe In Evolution on: March 03, 2014, 11:39:12 PM
Fossils Show Stasis and No Transitional Forms

The fossil record reflects the original diversity of life, not an evolving tree of increasing complexity. There are many examples of "living fossils," where the species is alive today and found deep in the fossil record as well.

According to evolution models for the fossil record, there are three predictions:

1. wholesale change of organisms through time
2. primitive organisms gave rise to complex organisms
3. gradual derivation of new organisms produced transitional forms.

However, these predictions are not borne out by the data from the fossil record.

Trilobites, for instance, appear suddenly in the fossil record without any transitions. There are no fossils between simple single-cell organisms, such as bacteria, and complex invertebrates, such as trilobites.

Extinct trilobites had as much organized complexity as any of today’s invertebrates. In addition to trilobites, billions of other fossils have been found that suddenly appear, fully formed, such as clams, snails, sponges, and jellyfish. Over 300 different body plans are found without any fossil transitions between them and single-cell organisms.

Fish have no ancestors or transitional forms to show how invertebrates, with their skeletons on the outside, became vertebrates with their skeletons inside.

Fossils of a wide variety of flying and crawling insects appear without any transitions. Dragonflies, for example, appear suddenly in the fossil record. The highly complex systems that enable the dragonfly's aerodynamic abilities have no ancestors in the fossil record.

In the entire fossil record, there is not a single unequivocal transition form proving a causal relationship between any two species. From the billions of fossils we have discovered, there should be thousands of clear examples if they existed.

The lack of transitions between species in the fossil record is what would be expected if life was created.

Furthermore please explain this.  I am dying to know where these transitional half species fossils can be found.

The fossil record does not produce a fossil for every individual. As was shown in the microbe study I linked earlier in the thread, a number of changes in the genetic record can develope without changing the organism, but then they can be switched on all at once.

IIUC: Fish did not evolve from exoskeletal invertebrates. Something like flatworms -> roundworms -> segmented worms -> chordates -> vertebrates.

Have you noticed that there are transitional animals still alive today? Like the coelecanth, which is a lobe-finned fish, transitional between the fish and tetrapods.

How do you account for vestigial organs, if not a sort of transitional evolution?

There are no fossils between simple single-cell organisms, such as bacteria, and complex invertebrates, such as trilobites.

Lol at expecting there to be fossils of microscopic bacteria. Do you want some fossils of oxygen as well?

Actually, there are plenty of fossils of microbes. But not all microbes form fossils. Many animals leave very few fossils. Like frogs: there are very few fossils of frogs, but the few fossil frogs found show that they have been around a long time.

I would point out that, independent of other evidence, it's an unsound leap to claim the fossil record is evidence of evolution.  Evidence is "that which is apparent," and using the fewest assumptions, we could at best say fossils are evidence of...fossils.

As soon as we interject even a single assumption, e.g. a particular fossil was once a living thing, we immediately jump from "sound" to "plausible."  Science seeks to gain the most accurate understanding of something by changing as many of these plausible assumptions to sound ones as is possible through logical deductions based on evidence (e.g. things that have DNA were alive, this fossil has DNA, this fossil was alive).  What science can't do is prove its own assumptions.  Because philosophy *is* capable of exploring these and other assumptions, we quickly find that there is a lot that can be known that is beyond the scope of science. This is commonly known as 'the problem of induction' in science; science cannot explore beyond its empirical limits even though its own assumptions reside there.  Science cleverly states conclusions to a certain degree of probability to avoid this problem, but it's unfortunate how almost every scientist -- and certainly all of those I've met -- dismiss the problem of induction as an afterthought.

In short, here are the scientific methods weaknesses that make absolute scientific proof an impossibility:
1) Science cannot escape the problem of induction.
2) Science cannot incorporate a purely abstract proof into any theory it produces.
3) Science cannot account for rare cases (e.g. brute forcing a private key)
4) Science cannot account for extremely small (e.g. quantum-level) or extremely large (e.g. the Universe as a a single system) cases.

It's interesting to note that a known probability of brute forcing a private key is born of a purely abstract, mathatical proof, and that this proof acts as the foundation upon which scientific tests can be performed.  But, conclusions produced by those tests could never produce a known probability of an event.  Actually, it would be impossible for science to ascribe a known probability to *any* event, for even if you simulated a billion coin-flips, you're conclusion would include a degree of uncertainty (and no peer-reviewed journal would publish claims of absolute certainty).
1528  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 22 Messages From Creationists To People Who Believe In Evolution on: March 03, 2014, 10:50:57 PM

I must say intelligent design was a creative way to avoid admitting they were wrong.  Cheesy

Chance is another way to say 'unknown causation.'
1529  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 22 Messages From Creationists To People Who Believe In Evolution on: March 03, 2014, 10:48:44 PM
Look, if you want to debate a point, that's fine.  But can you at least debate against something relevant to my position?

*ugh*

I find it irritating to say the least if me pointing out that the entire foundation for your line of argument is 100.0% false... is regarded as not relevant (?!).
Frankly, that's about as relevant as it can possibly get. That's a point that isn't even debatable anymore to any degree as it's just a complete error in plain sight negating your entire argumentation.

Put in other words : if an entire bulding collapses into itself because its foundation was built on sand and made of grossly inadequate materials - you really don't discuss whether the window dressing in that building was appropriate or not.

I'm not going to debate anything when it's clear you have no idea what I meant in the first place.  You don't get to tell me what my position is, that's my job!

Hmkay, so it looks like I scored a direct hit dead-center, sorry to hear that the truth hurts you.

PS.
If that statement of yours that I quoted was not intended to read what it clearly read, then you had more than enough time to correct or specify.
Since you didn't, I assume it's exactly what you meant and naturally represents your position. If that for some really wicked reason is not the case, please stop discussing in internet forums for a while and work on your communication skills ASAP (reason : you'd basically be incapable to express your position in writing !? ) Tongue

You didn't score anything -- we're not even playing on the same board.

I'm not going to debate against someone who adamantly claims he understands the arguments I present when he clearly does not.

The reason that it's clear you have no idea what I'm trying to say is because you pulled the "he said something that doesn't epitomize the glory of the scientific method, so he obviously must hate anything and everything resulting from the scientific method" straw man of of your you-know-what.

Science leads to technological developments which are arguably the greatest contributor to the continually-improving quality of life on Earth.  I would never deny its utility.

I suggest you reread what I said, recognize that you're simply framing my arguments into a context you're more familiar with, and then apologize.
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Any chance you'd care to offer compensation for the horrible pool launch?  Who the hell sets stratum share difficulty to 4.1k when the block difficulty is 1?

On average, I could've solved 4,100 blocks in the time it would take me to submit a single share.  Your pool rendered any small miner virtually incapable of mining anything successfully at launch.

I'm switching pools due to this specifically.
1531  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: r9 290x mining issues on: March 02, 2014, 08:58:44 PM
So I just got a new MSI R9 290x Gaming edition. I have a brand new PSU, and no OC on CPU. no OC on card. Stock clocks are core clock 1040 mem clock 1250. When I attempt to mine at anything above -I 13 I get a driver crash. I have tried drivers 13.11 until the newest beta drivers available all with the same outcome. I have also flashed the latest bios from MSI same card just newer bios. My miner settings TC 32765 -w 512 -v 1 -g 1 -I 13 anything higher and it crashes like I said before. But when I lower mem clocks to 1150 and core to 1000 it will mine at -I 18 is it just a bad card?

I couldn't get my first r9 290x, an MSI card (Twin Frozr), to run stable for the life of me above I=13.  I exchanged it for a Sapphire brand card and it solved all my problems.  Needless to say, I went back and bought three more Sapphires the next day.  All work beautifully.
1532  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [V] Version - Rare Desirable NO PREMINE Store of Value LAUNCHED on: March 02, 2014, 01:13:23 AM
I only see dificulty upgrade on my cgminer wtf ? No accepted share because block is so fast

Don't worry, my pool set a share difficulty of 4.1k when difficulty was 1.  Awesome.
1533  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [V] Version - Rare Desirable NO PREMINE Store of Value LAUNCHED on: March 02, 2014, 01:10:49 AM
I love how the pool share difficulty at zeuscoin set for my workers was about 100x higher than needed to solve a block.

Um, stupid?
1534  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 22 Messages From Creationists To People Who Believe In Evolution on: March 01, 2014, 03:14:14 PM
Look, if you want to debate a point, that's fine.  But can you at least debate against something relevant to my position?

*ugh*

I find it irritating to say the least if me pointing out that the entire foundation for your line of argument is 100.0% false... is regarded as not relevant (?!).
Frankly, that's about as relevant as it can possibly get. That's a point that isn't even debatable anymore to any degree as it's just a complete error in plain sight negating your entire argumentation.

Put in other words : if an entire bulding collapses into itself because its foundation was built on sand and made of grossly inadequate materials - you really don't discuss whether the window dressing in that building was appropriate or not.

I'm not going to debate anything when it's clear you have no idea what I meant in the first place.  You don't get to tell me what my position is, that's my job!
1535  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 22 Messages From Creationists To People Who Believe In Evolution on: March 01, 2014, 10:12:36 AM
My problem with the theory of evolution is that it is born purely out of the scientific method which conveniently chooses to ignore, and in fact *must* ignore, any philosophical, mathematical, or other kinds of non-empirical facts or truths in the process of theory-making.

Maybe I should have highlighted the hilarious part I was referring to then.

Basically your statement has the facts a full 100.0% wrong. If you were to replace "scientific method" with "religious method" in that sentence, things would be looking much more realistic.
I really liked that you put "philosophy" into that, as it does not belong there in the 1st place.
Never mix up philosophy with science, as it operates under completely different premises/rules and never "results" in "truth" even if you or I may fully agree with it on certain terms. Philosophy and science are two entirely different entities.

Look, if you want to debate a point, that's fine.  But can you at least debate against something relevant to my position?
1536  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 22 Messages From Creationists To People Who Believe In Evolution on: March 01, 2014, 08:11:37 AM
My problem with the theory of evolution is that it is born purely out of the scientific method which conveniently chooses to ignore, and in fact *must* ignore, any philosophical, mathematical, or other kinds of non-empirical facts or truths in the process of theory-making.  And it does this despite absolutely depending upon certain philosophical and mathematical truths to have any kind of consistent methodology at all.  In other words, the same philosophical and mathematical foundation upon which science is built is not permitted in the actually process of scientific theory-making.  Hence, science is an incomplete methodology.

Please stop taking all medication and using all technology because that was all fruit of the scientific method.  Actually just ask your doctor to switch you to a different medication, your current one isn't working.

Please stop having thoughts.  Thoughts are non-empirical and therefore useless.

^^ See?  I can say stupid things that don't make any sense, too.

Problem is - what he said made alot of sense. You just didn't understand/accept the hint Wink
When it comes to statements not making any sense , the first quote clearly beats everything. Science ignoring mathematics... now that's a new one *g*
If that was to be the case, you'd be living in some very unstable and asymetric housing construction and none of today's hightech would even exist. No vehicles, no large buildings, no digital communication, no computers whatsoever, no electricity, at best some leaking/unreliable water supply coming from a dirty river where poeple wash their clothing in and take a bath while dumping their feces into it (think Ganges river in India).

The more I read the irrational and sometimes completely nonsensical statements of people defending religion, the more they (unintentionally) make it clear that they have literally little or no education whatsoever. As religion/superstition often has a correlation (but no causation) with lack of education or show clear signs of intense brainwashing, this comes with little surprise.
Still, it's always amazing to watch how clueless these people sometimes act and "reason" (in big parentheses) in arguments.
This is the reason they often come along as if they were drug abusers or downright mentally retarded. They're likely not, but the effects of reducing/destroying a human's intellect are strikingly similar.

It would've made sense if I said that the scientific method was useless.  But, I didn't.  So, no, it makes no sense.

If you're going to jump in to defend someone, you shouldn't assume they understand what they're responding to.

1537  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 22 Messages From Creationists To People Who Believe In Evolution on: March 01, 2014, 03:27:28 AM
My problem with the theory of evolution is that it is born purely out of the scientific method which conveniently chooses to ignore, and in fact *must* ignore, any philosophical, mathematical, or other kinds of non-empirical facts or truths in the process of theory-making.  And it does this despite absolutely depending upon certain philosophical and mathematical truths to have any kind of consistent methodology at all.  In other words, the same philosophical and mathematical foundation upon which science is built is not permitted in the actually process of scientific theory-making.  Hence, science is an incomplete methodology.

Please stop taking all medication and using all technology because that was all fruit of the scientific method.  Actually just ask your doctor to switch you to a different medication, your current one isn't working.

Please stop having thoughts.  Thoughts are non-empirical and therefore useless.

^^ See?  I can say stupid things that don't make any sense, too.
1538  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Has Bitcoin Foundation done anything to help with recent developments? on: February 28, 2014, 09:51:59 PM
The foundation has a few good eggs on board, but that being said, it's mostly worthless in terms of its contributions.  I would not like them to be considered as a representative for the bitcoin community because it's not freely open to the community.
1539  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: THE NEXT BIG COIN on: February 28, 2014, 09:46:52 PM
What would this coin do that separates it from the rest?
1540  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 22 Messages From Creationists To People Who Believe In Evolution on: February 28, 2014, 09:18:46 PM

Whoa. I'm not even religious, and I'm certainly not interested in frivolous theories.

I hope you understand that the scientific method carries certain untestable assumptions, e.g. we live in a positivistic universe, that have been proven false for literally thousands of years.

Let me ask you this: If you have a set of empirical data that appears a certain way, but a logical or mathematical proof indicates that your interpretation of the data is flawed, would you dismiss the proof because it is non-empirical?

The introduction of philosophy may render a theory unscientific, but in no way does it imply it is worse.  The scientific method is *not* the highest standard for knowledge as it owes an extremely large debt to philosophy and mathematics.

I am not saying you are religious, just that the way you are describing this sounds religious rather than scientific.

I'll try to answer: If I have a set of empirical data which I interpret a certain way, and a logical or mathematical proof indicates that my interpretation is flawed, I would not dismiss the proof I would examine the analysis and try to find a new analysis which fits both the empirical evidence and the mathematical proof. Thus is the scientific method: generate empirical evidence, check to see if it agrees with the theory, if they do not agree then you adjust the theory.

I'd agree.

My problem with the theory of evolution is that it is born purely out of the scientific method which conveniently chooses to ignore, and in fact *must* ignore, any philosophical, mathematical, or other kinds of non-empirical facts or truths in the process of theory-making.  And it does this despite absolutely depending upon certain philosophical and mathematical truths to have any kind of consistent methodology at all.  In other words, the same philosophical and mathematical foundation upon which science is built is not permitted in the actually process of scientific theory-making.  Hence, science is an incomplete methodology.

Edit: It seems that, based upon what you said, if you did formulate a new theory to fit both the evidence and the proofs, then you would essentially be doing the exact same you accused me of doing. Certain proofs negate certain assumptions held by a scientific worldview upon which the theory of evolution was built, so the theory needs adjusting.
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