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1421  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Entitlement Mentality on: August 18, 2013, 03:32:46 AM
Regardless of which Mcdonalds you go to in the country, you know exactly what you are going to get.

You sure do. An uninspired, semi tasteless, okay tasting burger. At In-n-Out, you also get the same great taste everywhere you go, except it tastes delicious, and is made from 100 percent fresh ingredients, cooked on the spot for you.

Honestly, Hardee's burgers taste better to me than In 'N Out.  In 'N Out "secret sauce" is absolutely disgusting.  And price to me is more important, hence I'd prefer McDonald's because, yes, it's cheaper.  Actually, if I could pick any fast food joint in the world, I'd pick this place Nicky's Red Hots right by my house.  They absolutely obliterate In 'N Out.  But, they have like 2 or 3 stores max.  Actually, I prefer Wendy's over In 'N Out simply because I can get chili or a baked potato, far healthier than anything In 'N Out has to offer.

1422  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Entitlement Mentality on: August 17, 2013, 04:42:39 PM
Sure ya did.
1423  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Entitlement Mentality on: August 16, 2013, 10:04:44 PM
I created this thread to have a discussion about the topic.  You have instead insisted on replacing the topic of the thread with your own topic. 

That may in part have been my fault, too. Your point is that striking for higher wages was a bad use of their time, he pointed out that higher wages are possible with the In-n-Out example, and I *tried* to point out that In-n-Out has a severe lack of employment opportunities, due to their business model being much more limited than McDonald's. So, i.e. I was trying to say that those striking workers should be glad they have someone around to hire and pay them in the first place, but it all kind of went downhill from there.

That's not your fault.  That's how far he's pushed his own topic -- people reading this thread will assume its about something other than what it was originally intended to be.
1424  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Entitlement Mentality on: August 16, 2013, 09:06:11 PM
I have worked at neither. I have patronized both, obviously.

Ah, so you claim to know the business structure of both companies just because you have bought their products? Hard to believe, considering you have shown time and again that you don't really understand or think things through when it comes to business.

Everything that needs to be known is plain as day:

1. Polls show people like In-n-Out better.
2. Their food is fresher (actually fresh).
3. Their prices are competitive, even better.
4. Their service is great.
5. Their wages are publicized.
6. They're busy as hell. Go to one.
7. They're doing very well.

I didn't say google it. You claimed to understand what McDonalds and In-n-Out businesses do just because you shopped there. I'm sure you shopped at WalMart once before, too. So it should have been pretty obvious to you, based on your shopping experience, that the only reason WalMart is so successful is because WalMart invented a completely new, computerized, and automated supply chain system the likes of which the world has never seen before, and still can't duplicate.

So? I prefer Target, as do lots of other people.

Ok, listen up, you dumbass.  You just listed 7 things that are "everything that needs to be known."

Not a single fucking one of them has ANYTHING to do with the attitudes of striking workers, the topic of the OP.

You're the type of person that makes me want to sacrifice good karma just so I can have fun being a dick to you, and also the type of person that makes me want to report you to a moderator like a child tattling to a grown-up.

I wasn't responding to you, nor your original post. Why do you keep going on about the importance of your original post?

Do you like being stupid?  I can't believe you just asked that question.

I created this thread to have a discussion about the topic.  You have instead insisted on replacing the topic of the thread with your own topic. 

I guess I should've created a thread that contained absolutely nothing that I wanted to discuss.

Imagine going to a steak restaurant, and so you order a steak.  Instead, they bring you the kids' corn dog meal.  When you complain, they ask you, "Why do you insist on the steak?!"

You're an evolutionary cul-de-sac.
1425  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Entitlement Mentality on: August 16, 2013, 08:27:35 PM
I have worked at neither. I have patronized both, obviously.

Ah, so you claim to know the business structure of both companies just because you have bought their products? Hard to believe, considering you have shown time and again that you don't really understand or think things through when it comes to business.

Everything that needs to be known is plain as day:

1. Polls show people like In-n-Out better.
2. Their food is fresher (actually fresh).
3. Their prices are competitive, even better.
4. Their service is great.
5. Their wages are publicized.
6. They're busy as hell. Go to one.
7. They're doing very well.

I didn't say google it. You claimed to understand what McDonalds and In-n-Out businesses do just because you shopped there. I'm sure you shopped at WalMart once before, too. So it should have been pretty obvious to you, based on your shopping experience, that the only reason WalMart is so successful is because WalMart invented a completely new, computerized, and automated supply chain system the likes of which the world has never seen before, and still can't duplicate.

So? I prefer Target, as do lots of other people.

Ok, listen up, you dumbass.  You just listed 7 things that are "everything that needs to be known."

Not a single fucking one of them has ANYTHING to do with the attitudes of striking workers, the topic of the OP.

You're the type of person that makes me want to sacrifice good karma just so I can have fun being a dick to you, and also the type of person that makes me want to report you to a moderator like a child tattling to a grown-up.
1426  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Entitlement Mentality on: August 16, 2013, 06:30:00 PM
Rassah,

Sounds like you really know your stuff about McDonald's. No doubt with their excellent business model and progressive menu, it shouldn't be an issue for them to change their starting pay to well above minimum wage like In-n-Out. At least we both now know that their menu prices won't undergo a rise in price if ever they had to pay their employees more. Kudos to you for pointing this out and rendering the joint's opinion even more suspect, as he was claiming fast food businesses just wouldn't be able to afford it.

I worked at McDonald's Corp for a while, and had the chance to see visit their central office and see how they operate from the inside.
And how the hell do you come to that conclusion after numerous questions from myself and others of "Why should McDonald's deny someone a job if they need it more and are willing to charge less for their labor?"

How does In-n-Out determine whom to give a job to? I can't imagine burger flipping has a lot of qualifications.

I've been in McDonald's many times - no doubt hundreds and hundreds of times. Same with In-n-Out. Experiencing both gives one both perspective. I have both perspectives. You don't.

Hundreds?  Grin

Seems like we have a hypocrite over here. Tell me, did you start hating McDonald's burgers the 100th time you went? Or was it the 101st that really pushed you over the edge?

You think hundreds is a lot in a lifetime? Maybe I also have the perspective of living longer than you.

You might want to get evaluated for dementia, old timer.
1427  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Entitlement Mentality on: August 16, 2013, 06:26:16 PM
Rassah,

Sounds like you really know your stuff about McDonald's. No doubt with their excellent business model and progressive menu, it shouldn't be an issue for them to change their starting pay to well above minimum wage like In-n-Out. At least we both now know that their menu prices won't undergo a rise in price if ever they had to pay their employees more. Kudos to you for pointing this out and rendering the joint's opinion even more suspect, as he was claiming fast food businesses just wouldn't be able to afford it.

I worked at McDonald's Corp for a while, and had the chance to see visit their central office and see how they operate from the inside.
And how the hell do you come to that conclusion after numerous questions from myself and others of "Why should McDonald's deny someone a job if they need it more and are willing to charge less for their labor?"

How does In-n-Out determine whom to give a job to? I can't imagine burger flipping has a lot of qualifications.

I've been in McDonald's many times - no doubt hundreds and hundreds of times. Same with In-n-Out. Experiencing both gives one both perspective. I have both perspectives. You don't.

I've eaten at both having lived in both Cali and the Midwest.  Unfortunately for you, Rassah and myself have experience with reading comprehension, which gives us perspective that you lack.  We understand what you're saying and so we know your arguments not only suck, but they're in no way relevant to the OP.  You don't understand what we're saying, so you make up your own issue and push it relentlessly so it will appear as though you're not a fucking imbecile.  Maybe if you try harder it'll work!
1428  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Entitlement Mentality on: August 16, 2013, 04:39:28 PM
Rassah,

Sounds like you really know your stuff about McDonald's. No doubt with their excellent business model and progressive menu, it shouldn't be an issue for them to change their starting pay to well above minimum wage like In-n-Out. At least we both now know that their menu prices won't undergo a rise in price if ever they had to pay their employees more. Kudos to you for pointing this out and rendering the joint's opinion even more suspect, as he was claiming fast food businesses just wouldn't be able to afford it.

I'm beginning to believe that ad-hominems were designed especially for you.  You don't even have the faintest idea about how I arrived at my opinion.  Quit being a fucking idiot.
1429  Other / Meta / Re: [CENSORSHIP] Matthew N. Wright on: August 16, 2013, 03:46:44 PM
@ Badbear,

Regardless of what Theymos is entitled to do or not do, I can tell you that my suspicion has increased, and trust decreased, with regards to Theymos as a result of inconsistent moderation, claims that he is protecting scammers, and his avoidance of this thread.  I bet I'm not the only one.

Inconsistent moderation will be caught and scrutinized by others. If enough people are unhappy about it, it's just going to make your job and Thymos's job a lot more annoying.  It also makes this site a target among those that are inconsistently moderated, even if a ban just means they'll create 10 sock puppet  accounts just to troll you harder.  
1430  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Entitlement Mentality on: August 16, 2013, 03:09:25 PM

Rags on FirstAscent for dropping non-sequiturs.
Rags on me for not understanding non-sequiturs.
Can't spell non-sequitur.


"Just As Good As An Coledge!"

made me laugh fucking hard lol


saw this and thought of OP right off the bat



Good one.  You have to love memes, the last retort from bandwagoners and the uncreative.

You're really going to blast someone for sharing an opinion on a public forum founded upon the opinion that Bitcoin is a superior currency, and after voicing your opinion through a picture indicating someone else's opinion about what people should do with their opinions?  Wow.  You're complex.
1431  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Entitlement Mentality on: August 15, 2013, 11:37:36 PM
Business culture, company culture, as in, "We don't bake our buns on site, we put our burgers under heat lamps, we don't think it's important to train our employees how to mop the floors, we don't think fresh unfrozen ingredients are important, we do franchises, etc."

And that's nice and all, but entirely irrelevant to the OP.  I'm sure the strikers are demanding to be taught how to mop properly, and are just aching for fresh, unfrozen ingredients.

It's entirely relevant to your last post.

No, really?  The point is that it's part of the same context that you've insisted on pushing that has turned this thread into something other than I had intended.  I'm just trying not to be a total dick, and so I'm entertaining your ideas because you think they're so important that they're worth dismantling someone else's topic thread to talk about them.  Make your own thread if you want to talk about employer business practices so much.  I might even comment in it.  I promise I'll stay on topic. 

Seriously, do you really think any of us are gonna argue against fresh ingredients?  Obviously fresh ingredients are better in terms of both taste and nutritional value.  I don't even think any of us would argue with you that's it's possible to still make a nice profit while serving a good product and satisfying both customers and employees.  I think we all want clean, healthy, low-cost, fast food restaurants where employers, employees, and consumers are all happy.

The problem is, that has nothing to do with the OP.  You keep wanting to talk about employer business practices, and whether it's out of narcissism, reading comprehension problems, autism, or some form of undiagnosed mental retardation, you still haven't figured out that you are not in any way, shape, or form arguing against any point made in the OP other than that you might've said that you believe the strikers are allowed to strike.  Yay.  Me too.  I just think it's dumb.
1432  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Entitlement Mentality on: August 15, 2013, 11:11:50 PM
Business culture, company culture, as in, "We don't bake our buns on site, we put our burgers under heat lamps, we don't think it's important to train our employees how to mop the floors, we don't think fresh unfrozen ingredients are important, we do franchises, etc."

And that's nice and all, but entirely irrelevant to the OP.  I'm sure the strikers are demanding to be taught how to mop properly, and are just aching for fresh, unfrozen ingredients.
1433  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Entitlement Mentality on: August 15, 2013, 10:44:28 PM
It's a culture thing. McDonald's just can't visualize anything that isn't McDonald's like.

Also completely false. McDonald's has changed many times over the years, and experiments with new restaurants and culture constantly. You heard of Roy Rogers restaurants? Those are McDonald's owned. How about Chipotle, which started the awesome high quality burrito trend that was also copied by BajaFresh? Guess who you have to thank for Chipotles? Yep, McDonald'a.

Ummm, no. I've seen McDonald's way of cooking and menu for over forty years. Not many changes there.

Doesn't McDonald's serve stuff like fried insects in some Asian countries?  I'm pretty sure they feature culture-specific food at many international locations.

Culture, as in this case, doesn't refer to the community, but the way of thinking by the business.

I think both cultural contexts are implicated in what I said.  There's the community culture (i.e. insects are popular to eat in some areas), and there's also the way of thinking about business in terms of cultural trends (e.g. your 'burrito trend' example vs. my 'insect trend' example).
1434  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Entitlement Mentality on: August 15, 2013, 08:59:30 PM
It's a culture thing. McDonald's just can't visualize anything that isn't McDonald's like.

Also completely false. McDonald's has changed many times over the years, and experiments with new restaurants and culture constantly. You heard of Roy Rogers restaurants? Those are McDonald's owned. How about Chipotle, which started the awesome high quality burrito trend that was also copied by BajaFresh? Guess who you have to thank for Chipotles? Yep, McDonald'a.

Ummm, no. I've seen McDonald's way of cooking and menu for over forty years. Not many changes there.

Doesn't McDonald's serve stuff like fried insects in some Asian countries?  I'm pretty sure they feature culture-specific food at many international locations.
1435  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Entitlement Mentality on: August 15, 2013, 05:00:45 PM
Entitlement mentality exists only when you have the means to live decently and you believe you deserve more. Ex: Any big business crying to mommy government to bail them out when things are going bad.

When you're poor, it's not entitlement, it's called "surviving".



I disagree.  I think that it's the antithesis of "surviving."  It's only "surviving" if it works (i.e. strikes lead to wage increases which allow significant improvements in ones quality of life).

As I pointed out earlier in the thread, the last time McDonald's workers went on strike in Chicago, they received a 10 cent raise.  This means that if they went on strike for even a single day, it would take nearly 3 months of full-time work for that 10 cent wage increase to earn them back their lost wages from that one day.

I wouldn't call that "surviving."  I'd call it horrible risk analysis.

You seem to be stuck on this.  Are you opposed to strikes simply because they are ineffective? 
In that case, the title of this thread should be changed to "poor risk analysis" from "entitled mentality."
If you feel that striking is not the ideal approach to securing higher wages, share your wisdom with the strikers, not this Libertarian-leaning forum.  Coals to Newcastle.

Sorry for being "stuck" on topic in a thread that I created.  Nine pages of clarification and you're still asking why I'm against the strikes?

I'm not "sharing wisdom," I shared an opinion and asked that others do the same.  It's called conversation, and it happens when people share ideas.


Answer the question in red boldface plz.

Not entirely, but that has a lot to do with it. 
1436  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Entitlement Mentality on: August 15, 2013, 04:10:45 PM
Entitlement mentality exists only when you have the means to live decently and you believe you deserve more. Ex: Any big business crying to mommy government to bail them out when things are going bad.

When you're poor, it's not entitlement, it's called "surviving".



I disagree.  I think that it's the antithesis of "surviving."  It's only "surviving" if it works (i.e. strikes lead to wage increases which allow significant improvements in ones quality of life).

As I pointed out earlier in the thread, the last time McDonald's workers went on strike in Chicago, they received a 10 cent raise.  This means that if they went on strike for even a single day, it would take nearly 3 months of full-time work for that 10 cent wage increase to earn them back their lost wages from that one day.

I wouldn't call that "surviving."  I'd call it horrible risk analysis.

You seem to be stuck on this.  Are you opposed to strikes simply because they are ineffective? 
In that case, the title of this thread should be changed to "poor risk analysis" from "entitled mentality."
If you feel that striking is not the ideal approach to securing higher wages, share your wisdom with the strikers, not this Libertarian-leaning forum.  Coals to Newcastle.

Sorry for being "stuck" on topic in a thread that I created.  Nine pages of clarification and you're still asking why I'm against the strikes?

I'm not "sharing wisdom," I shared an opinion and asked that others do the same.  It's called conversation, and it happens when people share ideas.
1437  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Entitlement Mentality on: August 15, 2013, 03:31:15 PM
Entitlement mentality exists only when you have the means to live decently and you believe you deserve more. Ex: Any big business crying to mommy government to bail them out when things are going bad.

When you're poor, it's not entitlement, it's called "surviving".



I disagree.  I think that it's the antithesis of "surviving."  It's only "surviving" if it works (i.e. strikes lead to wage increases which allow significant improvements in ones quality of life).

As I pointed out earlier in the thread, the last time McDonald's workers went on strike in Chicago, they received a 10 cent raise.  This means that if they went on strike for even a single day, it would take nearly 3 months of full-time work for that 10 cent wage increase to earn them back their lost wages from that one day.

I wouldn't call that "surviving."  I'd call it horrible risk analysis.
1438  Other / Meta / Re: Matthew N. Wright on: August 14, 2013, 10:15:43 PM
1439  Other / Meta / Re: Matthew N. Wright on: August 14, 2013, 08:16:47 PM
To me, it not even an issue of trolling (I despise the word, actually).  Matthew contributes to the community not only through speech, but through action.  Whose vision was it that helped Bitcoin Mag launch?  Matthew's, of course.  Even his ill-advised community bet was made in an attempt to show the community how foolish it  can be by carelessly handing out BTC to total strangers (e.g Pirate).  Unfortunately for Matthew, the mere existence of the bet caused some people to act in ways which cost them money.  But it takes a stand-up guy to acknowledge his responsibility to pay back debts he was never prepared to pay back, and as far as I'm aware, Matthew has paid, and is continuing to pay, the debts he owes.

In my opinion, not only shouldn't Matthew be banned, he has downright admirable qualities, and it's a disservice to the community to ban him.
1440  Other / Meta / Re: Matthew N. Wright on: August 13, 2013, 11:16:34 PM
P.s. because theymos doesn't appreciate freedom of speech, I'm technically banned and can't respond to any threads (including this one) until dear leader decides I am now "safe" to let back in (safe meaning I won't bring up the hypocrisy of letting Garr225 scam because they are friends and give me a tag, all while saying he doesn't give tags anymore as an excuse for not giving one to avalon, BFL, Garr255, etc. Hahahaha. Wow.)

Is that true? Is he really banned from this forum?


He was banned for a little while, but if he's able to post here now I guess not?

I'm interested in this snippet...

"letting Garr225 scam because they are friends..."

Did I miss this somewhere on the forum?  Does this have truth to it?
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