I'm not sure what he's trying to say but I don't think those are threats and especially not death threats, probably just bad English. The use of 'unconscious' here I think he's just meaning something like shock instead. Maybe it's similar to saying something like if you knew my age you would be shocked.

As others have said, I would try to move on unless any other direct threats are made.

You can move it back yourself at the bottom left if you believe it's been moved there in error, but you should clarify exactly what the bot does or what this actually is.


Maybe he should reword it because I'm not sure if this a HYIP or he's just exaggerating the returns to be expected, but clearly specific returns can't be guaranteed with a bot.

Yeah. I think Liverpool are the better team but away in Europe is a different matter. Personally I think it'll be close and will probably go for the draw. That will be the game to watch though. I think Borussia Dortmund will win at home, but again it will be close and maybe only one goal in it. I'll probably go for all home wins with Atlanta and Spurs on the Wednesday games though.

Next weeks games are more interesting to me. Chelsea v Bayern and Madrid vs Man City. Both got draws in provisionally but I'll see how Chelsea do against United tonight as a Bayern win might be more likely.

I said they could struggle against Norwich. I wonder how long they can go scraping these wins?

Annoyed at the Villa/Spurs result. Would have grabbed points for the draw if not for the last minute goal.

Chelsea/Man United game tonight. Don't know whether to go for the home win or draw. I'll probably wait for the line-ups before I commit. Chelsea should beat this current United squad but I don't have that much faith in them.

Well that's what I was thinking and other people were saying that was the case, but the commentators or pundits after the game didn't bring that up, and how would all the officials get that wrong? Must have been something else going on surely to allow it? Regardless, this is another example of VAR going out of their way and looking for something. Not a single player Leicester player complained. Things should only be reviewed at request of the team or manager.

I watched the game. Pisstake:



I'm still not entirely sure if it was offside.


They'll appeal and likely win. Punishment does seem quite harsh, but at the same time there really does need to be some ramification for breaking these sorts of rules otherwise clubs will just break them continually and eat the fines. If they don't manage to appeal successfully I wonder how this will effect the big players with no Champion's League football? A lot of them could leave.

I don't think they should be blitzed with the entire list there and then, but they should be linked to at least. What I previously suggested was they get a brief welcome message with a few of the most important rules with a link to the full ones and also a few links to helpful guides and so on.


Ref links aren't allowed. You can have them in your signature but posting them on the forum they will be removed 99% of the time. The only exception they're sometimes allowed for is if the thread is of substantial value.

So where exactly is the deprive this user of notification box or button? The only person that is lying here is you. You're spreading misinformation about something you know nothing about. Again, you really don't know how this forum works. Stop being paranoid and stop spreading false information. Do you really think I'm going to publicly post a 'bold faced lie' when theymos or any other mod could contradict me or prove otherwise? To reiterate a fact: staff here cannot choose to deprive a user of a notification of a deleted post. Whether you can on any other version of the software or on any other fourms is irrelevant.

Well this is something I and others have suggested in the past as many users are just not aware of the rules and when they do have posts removed they have no idea what for or have to work it out for themselves, but along with this a better option would be to allow staff to give a reason why a specific post was removed to avoid confusion and that has also been recently discussed. I'm not sure why theymos doesn't include the link to the rules with the PM, but he has said in the past he's not a fan of strict rules and they are 'unofficial' after all, so maybe that's why, but we obviously do have some rules here and I do think people should be made aware of them. I also think they should be shown/linked to when users sign up which would help a lot.


If it was removed by a user they get a different message and that probably doesn't need to include the link to the rules. I think it should be made more clear or bolded when a user deleted the post though as its not uncommon for users to mistake it for a mod action.

Well ok. Yes, you are free to make the argument that self-modding makes people scared little children that need a safe space and also free to shame them for it, but as I said, I don't think just because someone self-mods a thread makes them so for the reasons I've already stated. Does locking and re-opening threads in Meta make you a scared little child or weak? I wouldn't say so, but others may make that argument, but to me it just looks like you're tired of certain people chiming in and maybe that's what's happening with people who self-mod threads in P&S. So yes, ideally people should be able to openly debate without feeling the need to potentially censor anyone and it doesn't look good for them when they do, but either ignoring discussion or self-modding threads doesn't inherently mean they are weak or can't make a valid or strong argument, but I would take it on a case by case basis.


Just seen this edit. It was me who moved it here based on a report. Any discussion about specific boards or features of the forum do belong in Meta, but I can see how you can make an argument it belongs there. I would say it's not merely addressing free speech though, but free speech within a specific subboard and the confines of forum features hence why it belongs in Meta.

Sounds complex and maybe it would help, but it usually quickly becomes apparent which users have issues with each other as you'll see the same names popping up in the queue. For instance, I tend to avoid reports from certain users or against certain people and especially when they have your name in them or when they're from users who are known to have issues with you. Oftentimes the reports might be accurate or technically against the rules - off topic etc - but it's usually not you who started the subject going off topic and I'm not going to go through all the posts just to try find where things went sour. Of course, another mod may see the report and then act on it and just remove your posts and I can see why that would leave you feeling like there's biases going on. Personally, I don't find slight deviations in topics that much of a big deal as that's naturally going to happen but when entire threads are derailed and overtaken by personal beefs that's when things become a problem.

Well you can make that argument if you want but it's not a fact that someone is a weak child just for self-modding. Sure, it's not great for an open debate and doesn't look good as they should be able to debate you openly but maybe they just don't want to get involved or are tired with certain people and they are free to do that just like you are free to call them weak or childish. If someone on the street challenges me to a fist fight for whatever reasons and I decline and walk away it doesn't necessarily mean I am weak or scared or can't beat them; maybe I just don't want to get involved with such shenanigans or pettiness and avoid that situation. If the other person wants to call me a weak child then they can do so but that would just be their opinion which may or may not be correct.

Yeah, limiting posts doesn't really matter. It's the quality not quantity. Even if you did limit it to x amount of posts it's irrelevant if a user can have x amount of accounts on that campaign. 15 posts a week is not a lot at all and there wouldn't be an issue with making 15 a day as long as the quality is there. Chipmixer is 50 posts a week and that's ten posts a day for five days a week. 10 posts is not a lot to do within 24 hours, but there wouldn't be anything wrong with people making double, triple of even quadruple that as long as the posts were relevant. I think people really need to get away from the idea of limiting certain things and concentrate more on the managers of the campaigns because limitations are irrelevant if the quality just isn't there and restrictions can be bypassed anyway. If we had all excellent managers who did their jobs running campaigns then there would be no issue with spam regardless of whether they're allowed to do 15 posts a week, a day or even an hour.

All that would do is lead to more crying and disgruntlement towards mods. We would have dozens of threads created a week like, hilariousandco has removed three of my posts? Is this a personal attack? Blah blah blah. Names don't need to be shown. If you believe a post has been removed incorrectly or they're being removed often without reason and suspect a mod is abusing his power or attacking a person then create a thread about it or contact theymos. If mods were abusing their power and repeatedly removing posts for incorrect reasons it would be instantly apparent. Not only would theymos be able to see something is up but people cry here over one post being removed so imagine what would happen if mods were genuinely targeting people.


No, they don't. Timelord is just paranoid and biased and makes assumptions time and time again and this is all fuelled by his dislike of me merely because I excluded him from my trust-list due to his wildly inaccurate trust ratings. He also doesn't really know how this forum works because he assumes it was me or cyrus that removed a post because our names are on the sub boards. The only time a person won't get a notification is if the entire thread is removed.


People aren't going to get special favours just because I'm on their campaign. If that was so and it was exposed and I'd almost certainly be removed as a moderator and that's not something I'm going to jeopardise so me having a signature is irrelevant to my moderation. You'd have a much more logical argument about us removing posts/handling reports since that's what we actually get paid to do but again, if we were abusing our power people would notice.


So if you create a thread about cars and start talking about Dr Who that's on topic?


This is incorrect. Staff do not have an option to do that. The only way you'd be missing posts without a notification is if an entire thread was trashed that you had posted in and they're usually only removed when they're a generic spam thread or something like that.

You could extend this to anything though. Maybe VVD, Allison, or Mane stay at home and don't train to avoid getting injured.  Liverpool should be able to do both without sacrificing things, but maybe Klopp will want to play things safe. I don't think he should play things too safe though as if Liverpool play weakened teams and end up losing a couple of games City or Leicester might get their hopes up again.


I'm going for a draw here.


The English term is a 'brick shithouse'. He has been one of their standout players this season. I'm sure he'll move on to bigger and better things but I don't know how well he'd fit into a big team. There are always some great players that play for less than great clubs that just wouldn't do much at a bigger team. Zaha is another. He's too good for Palace but I don't think he's good enough to play for one of the top 5.

There's a bit of luck involved as well as it's the luck of the draw as to what teams you face which can obiously make things easier or harder, though not taking away anything from anyone winning it as only great teams are going to go all the way.


Easier said than done. Only one team can win it and they're coming up against the best from all of Europe. I just hope Pep doesn't sulk and run off to another club if they don't win anything big this year.


But then isn't every other team a flop who don't win anything? I don't think the season is a flop for a team that is second and still in three tournament. If they missed out on a CL spot and blew the cups then sure, but second place, CL qualification and likely at least one domestic cup is looking likely.

I think the notification PM should include a link to the thread it was removed from and staff should also be able to give a comment about why it was deleted but that should still be anonymous. Having the mods name on it will just lead to constant hassle and pestering and demanding answers as to why something was removed. The amount of PMs I've received from users who just assumed it was me who removed their post because my name is on that sub is ridiculous and they're usually hostile more often than not and that would get worse if it become public who removed what and people would start to take it personally. If staff could give a reason to why something was removed I think that would help a lot. Even just a simple drop down menu where you choose the option why it was removed would be great, but an additional comment box as well to clarify things further would be even better.

Self-modded threads aren't great for a true and honest open debate and it might be antithetical to the very concept of free speech but at the same time people are also free to self-moderate their threads whether we like it or not. If you don't like that they've self-modded then you are free to create your own thread to discuss or reply to the posts in there and they can choose whether to respond or not. I would look at their thread as their own property and they can do what they want with it whether you like it or not, much like you are well within your rights to kick someone out of your house if you don't like what they say. I think we should encourage users not to self-mod political threads but at the same time people are free to do so and everyone else is free to either not comment, comment or create their own threads in response.

Don't forget that the Wolverhampton - Leicester City game is on tomorrow. A lot of people haven't put their picks in yet. This is another game that I find it hard to split the teams. If Leicester were at home I'd probably back them but a draw is likely what I'll go for here.


Can't say I'm excited for it. Should be an easy win for City. The Leicester/City game next week could be interesting, especially if City rest some players for the Real Madrid game a few days later. If Leicester win both games they'll actually overtake City for second place. City really might start to concentrate on the CL and the best they can hope for out of the PL this year is another CL qualification so second spot isn't essential (though a runners up medal is also an achievement).

Well yeah, but I think he's asking if it's ok to keep the exact format and update it himself by creating the exact same thread. If he wants to run that sort of thread I think he should just create his own thread and format it in his own way with original work. This would avoid plagiarism.


Merely copying the 'idea' of the thread wouldn't really be plagiarism. Plenty of users create these sorts of list/overview threads for all sorts of things, but basically quoting the entire thread and keeping it updated would be a different story. He should obviously get permission from the original thread creator, but that's going to be difficult if the person is awol.