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16381  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Help me understand the ownership and provenance of the technology behind Bitcoin on: June 02, 2017, 04:46:47 PM
adding onto what brewmaster said as he covered part of what i was going to say

then for the layman part


imagine you own
1E7em3nT5AdDr35s    address

usually you go on to blockchain.info and see lots of transactions

1R4ndomAddr3s5 (0.1) =>  1E7em3nT5AdDr35s (0.05)
1R4ndomAddr3s5 (0.1) =>  1R4ndomAddr3s5 (0.05)

now imagine
1E7em3nT5AdDr35s (0.05) =>  unabletodecode
script decoded: DoL L594729

which refers to
16382  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What type of chatbot you would like to see? on: June 02, 2017, 12:09:01 PM
I have talked with one developer and he can incorporate a whole exchange into a single chat bot. You will tell the bot whether you want to buy or sell btc and then will ask how would like to pay like Bank, Webmoney etc and you pay right away on it. There will be a escrow feature as well.

oh so not a chatbot for newb's to learn about bitcoin... but an exchange service.... like an non human/automated irc.bitcoin-otc
16383  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What type of chatbot you would like to see? on: June 02, 2017, 11:55:08 AM
Hi,

So i am looking to make a first bitcoin chatbot! In which fields do you think they can help us in better way and save our time?

Let's brainstorm!

Bitcoin chat bot is not that easy to make because it is very complicated and a chat bot will help the people who are in need and even a person doesn't have the knowledge to help all the kind of problems that we are currently facing now so i think it is just a complicated project to make and it will take a lot of effort before you done that well.

not complicated. its just using a similar algo as google search.. grab keywords from text box, show response that contains most keywords
where the answers are refined if the keyword(s) is combined by 'who', 'why', 'where', 'when', 'how', 'what', 'which', 'will', 'could', 'should'

then the algo gives a more precise response.
its more time consuming than anything.

usually if a query doesnt get a good answer the query is held and then the dev builds better responses for next time.
usually in such an event the algo has set 'error' responses like
"dude! ask again, but without the waffle".. followed by
"Dude! i heard you the first time, ask something else"... followed by
"DUDE!! insanity is trying the same thing hoping for something different."... followed by
"DUDE!!!! your the kind of guy that loves telephone menu option 9 'press 9 to hear the options again' right?"
16384  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What type of chatbot you would like to see? on: June 02, 2017, 11:04:38 AM
a chat box where the answers to FAQ's are peer reviewed by non biased people.

otherwise newb's will just get the same scripted fud that reddit provides them
16385  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mining pools shut down in China with no clear reasons on: June 02, 2017, 10:56:40 AM
the other thing can be
fake company never making bitcoin. pretends its moved away to set up elsewhere, while publishing numbers of income vs expense in the hopes of grabbing VC money under the pretence they are already established yet only just setting up in the north
16386  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Daily reminder: The covert ASICBOOST scam is not fixed with segwith hardfork on: June 02, 2017, 03:18:44 AM
Is there anyone surprised? Core is doing everything they can to stall blocksize increase.

And you believe Jihan is not stalling blocksize? He already dropped BU and those r/btc people all felt for his crap that Segwit is cancer, bad etc. And now he's working on a different version of Segwit..lol

Jihan's business model is focused on milking out those high fee's as much as possible.

do some real research.. reddit is FUD scripter zone not research zone. stay away from it
your first fail is to turn everything into a jihan argument as if the 68%-70% nay/abstainers is just 1-2 guys fault.
open your eyes, you will surprise yourself at what you see when you dont use reddit as your source
16387  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mining pools shut down in China with no clear reasons on: June 02, 2017, 02:48:34 AM
4.5 million kwh/month and pay us more than 1 million yuan per month


thats $0.033 per kwh.... not cheap i guess they decided to go up north and stay up north more long term instead of seasonal
Sichuan is now in wet season and the electricity price will only cost 50% of that of in dry season.

i added more to my previous post which might add extra depth to the argument against staying in the south..
but hey im just googling..
16388  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mining pools shut down in China with no clear reasons on: June 02, 2017, 02:24:05 AM
4.5 million kwh/month and pay us more than 1 million yuan per month

thats $0.033 per kwh.... not cheap i guess they decided to go up north and stay up north more long term instead of seasonal



might also be that exactly a month after them leaving the southern location
southern chinese state electric grid raised the price of non-residential electric
http://www.ebeijing.gov.cn/BeijingInformation/BeijingNewsUpdate/t1094426.htm

Quote
China's National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC), the top economic planning agency, Thursday announced a rise in the price of electricity for non-residential use by 2.8 fen ($0.4 cents) per kWh on average nationwide, as of Friday.

Quote
and for commercial use 79 fen per kWh, according to Beijing Electric Power Corporation.

.. might help explain it.. coal in the south isnt as cheap as hydro electric in the north



also mongolia is having big growth and able to offer special discounts,.. as another possible layer as to why they would had north sooner
16389  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Daily reminder: The covert ASICBOOST scam is not fixed with segwith hardfork on: June 02, 2017, 01:51:16 AM


1. its just more efficient method of mining. just like the GPU mining days of OpenCL vs kuda


horseshit, it results in jihad mining empty blocks and congestion in transactions and higher fees. And bigger blocks won't solve it


lol
covert asic boost is not related to empty blocks. might be worth you researching the difference.
even if covert was disabled... empty block mining still occurs

also although antpool has a chinese licence for asic boost, other pools can be using it and you wouldnt even know it
Gmaxwells argument is not that jihan is/could be using it. its that bitcoin has an exploit..
luke Jr wants to use it to try sliding in segwit and other future features without concensus veto
asicboost can be used to help asics be more efficient and strengthen the network against outside attackers
and its a fight over who deserves to use it. or if no one should use it

for instance if left open. some dev could slide in a trojan that wasnt 'virtuous'
for instance if left open. some non bitcoin pool could make a private chain with less ASICS but build higher blockheight privately. and then broadcast it to the network to take over the chain..
gmax wont say it as it will just put idea's into people heads and he would get slammed for hinting it should it ever happen

but anyway lets deal with other pools that do empty blocks
btc.com does https://blockchain.info/block-height/468613
bixin.com does https://blockchain.info/block-height/468873
1hash does https://blockchain.info/block-height/468570
f2pool does https://blockchain.info/block-height/468721  
viabtc does https://blockchain.info/block-height/468612
btc.top does https://blockchain.info/block-height/468415
16390  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Daily reminder: The covert ASICBOOST scam is not fixed with segwith hardfork on: June 02, 2017, 12:02:44 AM

I'm glad Jeff opened that discussion. Looks like Jeff is trying to reassure everyone that asicboost will be disabled, but he's kinda dancing around the issue and gmaxwell (judging from his most recent comment) is not yet convinced.

gmaxwels gripe was asicboost hinders segwit 'backward compatibility easy to implement' functionality promise..
"the protocol interactions of the covert method can block the implementation of virtuous* improvements such as segregated witness"

in short asicboost uses the same trojan horse exploit backdoor as what segwit needs



however
if segwit functions via jgarzigs implementation then asicboost becomes a non issue to segwit.

however
filling this exploit backdoor would not only stop asicboost, but could also stop segwits 'promise' of sliding in later soft upgrades via the same backdoor exploit.

(use of virtuous: morally accepted trojan by the use of an exploit backdoor to enter the protocol, accepted because 'the good guys use it)

to be honest, id say fill the exploit. dont let anyone have a backdoor
16391  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin Unlimited being traded right now? on: June 01, 2017, 06:36:36 PM
my take is that DCG got fed up with blockstream and forced the compromise..maybe bitcoin still gets SW but it also gets HF and upgrade not authored by Core.  

untill i see code that includes an activation date of 2mb... its all just drama
remember its the same 2mb +segwit that was proposed in late 2015 roundtable..
then again at spring 2016 roundtable

pretty much every round table its the same thing...
16392  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin Unlimited being traded right now? on: June 01, 2017, 06:12:31 PM
But which party does the "emergent consensus" stand for?  
That's Bitcoin Unlimited. Due to the massive incompetence of the BU developers and frequent failures in their software, they have started renaming the listing from BU to emergent consensus (e.g. on coin.dance).

Don't even mention Bitcoin Unlimited, LOL
The cancer of the Bitcoin ecosystem.


1. lauda has no clue, he is just a mouthpiece of blockstream

2. his rebuttle ends up with waffle that he usually ends up saying 2 words  "nonsensical" and "ad-hominem"

3. dynamics has always been much wider than just BU. its not bu rebranding to emergent consenusus.. its actually coin.dance realising that there is more to it than just BU

4. UASF and segwit has more lines of code that will kill off more full nodes and pools than any other bip/implementation/brand. making UASF the main cancer

5. right now the DCG cartel are making 4 segwit  debates to confuse the community to hope it convinces the community that the only way is segwit.
much like if hilary was being elected at same time as trump. hilary would also get bill clinton on the ballot paper and then get another listing where its a dual hilary and trump presidency and a hilary in trousers and hilary in skirt ballot... all in an effort to try diluting trump supporters, and get the media only talking about the many hilary options which in the end have the same crapy cludgy manifesto

its all just distractions
16393  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who is still delusional enough to think miners want to scale? on: June 01, 2017, 05:28:30 PM
You have a point, but I don't think fees are the primary purpose right now as block rewards are still much better than the fees and the fees usually just goes to the pools. Though probably if they keep this up, when we have had enough halvings then the rewards will be lower then the fees then they will surely forget about scaling.

it doesnt matter when the flip of when fee becomes income and reward becomes a bonus happens.. if their block is not accepted by the community to build ontop of the longest chain they cant spend a thing they earn reward or fee.

its still a matter of pools sticking to the community consensus to ensure thier blocks get accepted into the longest chain so they can spend anything.
whether its
  income:bonus
reward  :  fee - now
fee       :  reward - many decades time

with that said pools DO want to scale to allow more transactions in, because getting 10cents each from 200,000 tx is a healthier currency that has longevity and utility... compared to hoping for $10 each from 2000 tx, which is not a currency that has longevity


but  its all about the competition/race to get an acceptable block which muddies the non-mining nodes opinion of what pools do or do not want.
because the non-mining users dont understand the number of game theories at play.

16394  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who is still delusional enough to think miners want to scale? on: June 01, 2017, 04:01:11 PM
pools dont care about fee's
research empty blocks

they care more about just getting their block accepted.. fee or no fee if the block is not accepted they cant spend anything.. not the fee not the reward.

pools primarily care about the block reward.
16395  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: CAUTION: If the exchange you are using doesn't list BIP148 you are being SCAMMED on: June 01, 2017, 03:56:49 PM
They can call it what ever they want, but those coins should be in their customers' control if there is a split.

if your funds are in an exchange you have no control..
learn lessons from 8 years of "we Been hacked bankruptcies"

you can only HOPE they do the honourable thing.
16396  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: CAUTION: If the exchange you are using doesn't list BIP148 you are being SCAMMED on: June 01, 2017, 03:51:02 PM
Can anyone speculate how much of the total hashing power would be behind UASF? Would it be good to assume that the 30% that are signalling Segwit now would all support UASF?

30% would surely cause a split.

UASF itself causes a split... deemed as a hard bilateral split*
which is:
much much worse than a hard contentious upgrade
much much much worse than a hard consensual upgrade

* technically if its User activated (non mining) then its a hard bilateral split, not soft
but if they want to pretend its 'soft' (not user related) then its actually MAST not UASF

but core do love playing buzzword games to stroke people to sleep with false pretenses of soft cushions and fluffy clouds

16397  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BREAKING: Bitcoin Miners Reach Scaling Agreement for SegWit Upgrade + 2MB Blocks on: June 01, 2017, 03:07:25 PM
August 1 is core Tier-dependence Day.

FTFY

P.S
pools did not ask to be the only electorate.. that was lue JR soft exploit 2015.. research it
pools do not care about fee's as much as ensuring they atleast solve a block.. research empty block.
pools care about ensuring they atleast solve a block.. research blocks getting rejected purely out of UASF bias not due to invalid tx's, just brand bias

core conservative?
what have they conserved.
core removed the fee control mechanisms
core introduced new double spend mechanisms of unconfirmed tx bait/switch techniques
core allow a single tx to take up 10-20% of a block


as for this new proposal.. its all still the same group. DCG is still the BS cartel  (BlockStream Barry Silbert)
its the same empty promises since 2015, just glossed over, but not actually any different
wake up


16398  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: When will the scaling issue* be solved? on: June 01, 2017, 01:43:19 PM
Nobody is stainlling non-Core approved software, so the NYC agreement is out of the question.

Bitcoin economy is behind 2017 NY agreement which mean SegWit+2MB HF and finally resolving the scalling issue this year. So I am optimistic.
https://medium.com/@DCGco/bitcoin-scaling-agreement-at-consensus-2017-133521fe9a77

That supposedly secretive NY meeting strongly reminds me of the events that preceded the establishment of the Fed in 1913. I refer to the meeting at the Jekyll Island Club (off the coast of Georgia), where a group of US senators, financiers and bankers gathered together to write a plan to reform the US banking system, which laid the foundation of what would later become known as the Fed. The difference between now and then is that the ordinary US dollar users and holders didn't have a say back then. But today is not then

So this meeting may be not what you expect it to be or lead to


You have it backwards. The formation of Blockstream was the modern day Jekyll Island. The NY meeting and miners are what's taking it back (although skipping segwit would be best).

nah blockstream is Dr jekyll.. but DCG has always been the island

scaling is not solved by DCG either. its just kicking the can down the road some more.
16399  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: When will the scaling issue* be solved? on: June 01, 2017, 01:11:48 PM
Nobody is stainlling non-Core approved software, so the NYC agreement is out of the question.

Bitcoin economy is behind 2017 NY agreement which mean SegWit+2MB HF and finally resolving the scalling issue this year. So I am optimistic.
https://medium.com/@DCGco/bitcoin-scaling-agreement-at-consensus-2017-133521fe9a77

That supposedly secretive NY meeting strongly reminds me of the events that preceded the establishment of the Fed in 1913. I refer to the meeting at the Jekyll Island Club (off the coast of Georgia), where a group of US senators, financiers and bankers gathered together to write a plan to reform the US banking system, which laid the foundation of what would later become known as the Fed. The difference between now and then is that the ordinary US dollar users and holders didn't have a say back then. But today is not then

So this meeting may be not what you expect it to be or lead to

DCG is still blockstream cartel
http://dcg.co/portfolio/#b

its all just drama. still offering the same half cooked ingredients of 2015.. just stirred up and reheated

unless there is code to review its just stirring the same pot
reminds me of shakespeare i learned a couple decades ago .. all the DCG group sitting around a table...
"Double, double toil and trouble; Fire burn, and caldron bubble"
16400  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Blockchain Projects on: May 31, 2017, 05:40:53 PM
blockchain projects do not just mean creating an altcoin.
it can mean a service

bitpay is a blockchain project
trezor is a blockchain project
merchant tools and data analyst tools to visualise blockchain data is a blockchain project
asic manufactoring is a blockchain project
smart contracts is a blockchain project
retail support to accept crypto is a blockchain project
conference organising for cryptocurrncy meetups is a blockchain project
blockchain consulting
clothing manufacturing featuring crypto memes/logo's is a blockchain project

there is much much more to it than just making an altcoin
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