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1661  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [I don't know what ether is/ how its supposed to work but i know its the future] on: March 15, 2016, 12:00:14 PM
Just some small bumps in the road. ETH will dominate in the long run.

The Eth price is quite stable at the moment. It crashed 20%, but it is recovering quite well. It is just 10% down.
1662  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: ETH GETTING DUMPED HARD!!!! on: March 15, 2016, 11:57:39 AM
You guys do realise that ETH is going through EXACTLY the same process BTC went through before it became #1? It went up, it went down, it had its supporters and its detractors then, BOOM, suddenly it's $1000.

evidence in support of this?
Erm look at the BTC graph and dig through the old BTC forum threads? Seriously, you can't even think to do this as basic research???

so you are also saying that ETH will need to drop down to sub $2 if it is to follow EXACTLY the same pathway as BTC?

If you are saying this then you can wrap up your campaign for now.

Straw man. I said it's going through exactly the same PROCESS. I didn't say it was plotting the EXACT same graph. As you well know.

And you didn't say my dog ran to the door and ran back and ran to door gain thus meaning he will break down the door and catapult outside. We can see patterns in anything, even clouds. That doesn't make them meaningful.

Ethereum is delusional crap that doesn't work and there will be no utility to sustain it.

Bitcoin has utility. I've never invested in Bitcoin, but I have used it quite much.
1663  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The Ethereum Paradox on: March 15, 2016, 11:55:20 AM
at least the main people should work too

Do Vitalik and Vlad "work"? Is delusional meandering work?
1664  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The Ethereum Paradox on: March 15, 2016, 11:44:56 AM
Guarantees
Will the call happen?

There are no guarantees that your function will be called. This is not a shortcoming of the service, but rather a fundamental limitation of the ethereum network. Nobody is capable of forcing a transaction to be included in a specific block.

The Alarm service has been designed such that it should become more reliable as more people use it.

However, it is entirely possible that certain calls will be missed due to unforseen circumstances.

This is an example of what I was writing about upthread where I said externalities destroy the Nash equilibrium and create a Prisoner's dilemma for validators when there is sharding.

I am not going to write down the complete explanation. Just think about it.

(And remember from upthread that sharding is flawed for another more ubiquitous reason, which is the gas can't be sharded without destroying decentralized consensus)
1665  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The Ethereum Paradox on: March 15, 2016, 11:23:37 AM
Some people don't understand how random numbers work. Or that there are different qualities and kinds of randomness.

When I first started programming the random function required a seed and always gave the same result with the same seed. Modern languages often pick a seed for you if you don't, and people often assume that means there is some magic way for a computer to pull a number out of thin air.

There have been many exploits resulting from random numbers not having a seed that is selected from an adequate entropy pool.


... and is still not solved ...

An adequate entropy pool can be obtain from the user's mouse movements.

The problem is with the operating system's entropy pool and the API for accessing it. Avoid it entirely if you want to be very sure.

Avoiding it entirely can be dangerous if you don't know what you are doing.

Lot of people in Linux land use /dev/urandom when they should be using /dev/random

Accessing the blocking entropy pool has issues as well.

Doing anything expecting random numbers and not knowing what you are doing is going to result in failure.

On servers or fresh after install (when ssh key is generated) that's highly problematic. That was the fairly recent raspberry pi problem.

That is one of the corner cases. Now Linux I believes saves entropy between reboots. I don't remember all the issues. I would need to read up on it again. Afair one of the issues is we can't know the quality of the entropy in the blocking pool and we can't know if it has perfect forward security.
1666  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The Ethereum Paradox on: March 15, 2016, 11:07:32 AM
Some people don't understand how random numbers work. Or that there are different qualities and kinds of randomness.

When I first started programming the random function required a seed and always gave the same result with the same seed. Modern languages often pick a seed for you if you don't, and people often assume that means there is some magic way for a computer to pull a number out of thin air.

There have been many exploits resulting from random numbers not having a seed that is selected from an adequate entropy pool.


... and is still not solved ...

An adequate entropy pool can be obtain from the user's mouse movements.

The problem is with the operating system's entropy pool and the API for accessing it. Avoid it entirely if you want to be very sure.
1667  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The altcoin topic everyone wants to sweep under the rug on: March 15, 2016, 11:03:05 AM
SEC sent out a warning in January 2016. Hope the pumpers are preparing for their jail time:

There is a reason why the SEC issued a warning about Crypto coins calling them scams.. 90% are !
I was doing research early this year when i stumbled onto their press release by accident (same day it was posted)
I then posted it in the Bitcoin section where everyone said it was good news AHAHHAHAHHA
It even mentioned an unnamed forum which was totally obvious they meant Bitcointalk.
Read it yourselves.. https://www.sec.gov/investor/alerts/ia_virtualcurrencies.pdf (Issued Jan 4th 2016)
1668  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The Ethereum Paradox on: March 15, 2016, 10:43:11 AM
It's just an example, trying to understand how a random function would work.

Simple.

The entropy for the seed would come from the proof-of-work hash that wins the block. All other validators would respect this entropy.

Let's say randomizing numbers is out of the question.

It is not out-of-the question. The randomness of a number is determined by the source of the entropy. Proof-of-work has a high entropy.

No, because you can't check time either, so you can't write that program!

Hmmm...

a) That sounds extremely crippled
b) That sounds extremely broken if the result is ...forking (I'm not sure that it can keep things deterministic when there are tens if not hundreds of possible triggers for indirectly randomizing things).

The primary reason that smart contracts are basically useless, is because a block chain can't form a consensus about anything external, except for signatures transactions that are authorized by public key cryptography to modify block chain state. Block chains can only form a consensus about block chain state transformations with the clock period being blocks and the longest chain rule.

If it were possible to introduce state into the block chain that could not be objectively verified by all validators, then the Nash equilibrium is lost, a Prisoner's Dilemma is created, and consensus is no longer convergent.

Augur is an example of attempting to form consensus about external state (the outcomes of prediction markets) by employing reputation of participants. Essentially they attempt to build a new consensus system on top of Ethereum's block chain consensus. But the problem is those two consensus systems can not be orthogonal, because validators of Ethereum have to be able to agree on the objective state on the block chain of Augur data. Notwithstanding that the Byzantine Generals Problem can't be solved with reputation and propagation, due to Sybil attacks.

Everything Ethereum is a delirium. Delusional just like Vitalik staring off into blank space when he speaks.
1669  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rebranding from Vanillacoin to Vcash. on: March 15, 2016, 05:56:52 AM
Re: rebranding from Vanillacoin to Vtrash

ftfy
1670  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: All crypto with an IPO/ICO is trash - no exceptions. Just launch fairly. on: March 15, 2016, 05:54:51 AM
PoW is superior, but even more superior if it is being mined by the users and not by those who (HODL or) dump their coins to those few in the powerlaw distribution of wealthy who want to stack (HODL) coins.

The only valid role of crypto currency is not as a "better gold" (such a concept is oxymoronic, because gold is as evil as fiat ... ask me to teach you!) but not as a store-of-value rather as a more degrees-of-freedom unit-of-exchange.
1671  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Altcoins are a prisoner's dilemma and not possible to beat Bitcoin on: March 15, 2016, 05:50:54 AM
@kiklo
There is nor will there ever be a fair system.
I seen a science show that outlined the scientific mathematical formula that was found
There is an algo or mathematical equation to Money.
IT ALWAYS ENDS UP BELONGING TO THE RICH

Quantity of stored wealth is not the point of the Knowledge Age. The point is the degrees-of-freedom in the velocity of money.

You all are barking up the wrong tree.

I will teach you how it is done.

PoW is superior, but even more superior if it is being mined by the users and not by those who (HODL or) dump their coins to those few in the powerlaw distribution of wealthy who want to stack (HODL) coins.

The only valid role of crypto currency is not as a "better gold" (such a concept is oxymoronic, because gold is as evil as fiat ... ask me to teach you!) but not as a store-of-value rather as a more degrees-of-freedom unit-of-exchange.
1672  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Altcoins are a prisoner's dilemma and not possible to beat Bitcoin on: March 15, 2016, 05:42:24 AM
Unless you were an early Bitcoin miner, everyone could be far better off and more wealthy by abandoning BTC and switching to some random turdcoin.

This doesn't apply to my coin under development, because I eliminate mining-for-profit, but I don't eliminate mining. Every user mines. Nevermind that monsterer and others do not understand yet why this is secure.

In intend to turn ASIC miners into door stops.

The problem here is, so many altcoins exist, either with invalid security models or negligble feature differences from Bitcoin, that there can never be convergence on which turdcoin the crowd should abandon BTC for and switch to.

A real programmer with million end user software experience can do it. These crypto nerds (e.g. Bitcoin Core devs) and 20-year olds with no such experience, obviously can not accomplish it.

The next problem is, even if by some miracle of gawd this actually did happen, you would be degrading all credibility of your own crypto as a store of value at the same time.  If a random turdcoin could pass or even get close to Bitcoin, it would mean that at any time your new coin could just as easily be overthrown and go to zero.  This means the only logical move is likely to go with BTC or just stay out of the game period.

No in my case it would mean the widespread mass adoption has been achieved and nothing else can then challenge it.

Unfortunately for Bitcoin and the other altcoins, I suddenly got healthy due to a miraculous multi-herbal boiled leaves tea named "Pito-Pito" by JC Herbal Products in Bukidnon. Any one with any kind of disease, this is what you need. Looks and tastes like Robitussin cough syrup.

Distributed systems like Bitcoin aren't based on perfection, they're based on tradeoffs.  For instance, you could remove mining to save energy and create a closed loop, recursive, PoS system, but without the external entropy of mining, you now have a permissioned ledger and not a real decentralized currency.

The solution is to make mining not profitable, but retain mining and expand it to all users of the coin. Couple this with a microtransaction design and widespread use case on a popular social network designed specifically for this purpose, so there is enough mining hashrate to render botnets ineffective.

With Bitcoin PoW, there really is no terminal failure unless the cryptography itself becomes compromised.

Lack of scaling is a form of terminal failure. As it devolves into centralization, the vested interests strangle it.

I need to get back to work.

This forum has turned into a pile of nonsense from a few trolls pumping ETH shit from numerous Newbie and purchased accounts. The mod does nothing to stop this Sybil attack on the forum, thus rendering the forum entirely useless for serious people such as myself.

Bye mprep!
1673  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Will Vitalik flee the country after the Eth scheme implodes? on: March 14, 2016, 09:58:38 PM
TPTB is correct, although I'll try and explain in a more digestible manner Smiley

A contract in ETH (or any platform for that matter) can only come to a reliable consensus if the information it is using to come to that consensus is solely internal to the system.

In the case of this, the driver and the passenger could collude to input "fake" information into the system, perhaps so that the driver gets more tokens or whatever.  There is no way for the system to check, irrefutably, that the journey really was say 20 miles in distance, it could all be fake.

Even if you put a "black box" in the cab, you still cant ever be 100% sure that it wasn't tampered with, and so due to that uncertainly, the consensus can never be totally reliable.
1674  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [I don't know what ether is/ how its supposed to work but i know its the future] on: March 14, 2016, 09:57:47 PM
TPTB is correct, although I'll try and explain in a more digestible manner Smiley

A contract in ETH (or any platform for that matter) can only come to a reliable consensus if the information it is using to come to that consensus is solely internal to the system.

In the case of this, the driver and the passenger could collude to input "fake" information into the system, perhaps so that the driver gets more tokens or whatever.  There is no way for the system to check, irrefutably, that the journey really was say 20 miles in distance, it could all be fake.

Even if you put a "black box" in the cab, you still cant ever be 100% sure that it wasn't tampered with, and so due to that uncertainly, the consensus can never be totally reliable.
1675  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: POLL - which coins are scams as defined in the OP? on: March 14, 2016, 09:57:03 PM
TPTB is correct, although I'll try and explain in a more digestible manner Smiley

A contract in ETH (or any platform for that matter) can only come to a reliable consensus if the information it is using to come to that consensus is solely internal to the system.

In the case of this, the driver and the passenger could collude to input "fake" information into the system, perhaps so that the driver gets more tokens or whatever.  There is no way for the system to check, irrefutably, that the journey really was say 20 miles in distance, it could all be fake.

Even if you put a "black box" in the cab, you still cant ever be 100% sure that it wasn't tampered with, and so due to that uncertainly, the consensus can never be totally reliable.
1676  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum Blockchain Project Launches First Production Release on: March 14, 2016, 09:56:40 PM
TPTB is correct, although I'll try and explain in a more digestible manner Smiley

A contract in ETH (or any platform for that matter) can only come to a reliable consensus if the information it is using to come to that consensus is solely internal to the system.

In the case of this, the driver and the passenger could collude to input "fake" information into the system, perhaps so that the driver gets more tokens or whatever.  There is no way for the system to check, irrefutably, that the journey really was say 20 miles in distance, it could all be fake.

Even if you put a "black box" in the cab, you still cant ever be 100% sure that it wasn't tampered with, and so due to that uncertainly, the consensus can never be totally reliable.
1677  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance on: March 14, 2016, 09:55:53 PM
Thanks Fuseleer. I've lost desire to explain more, because the trolls just start new threads that ignore what was already explained in the Ethereum Paradox thread, wherein I had explained it the first time.

Your explanation is very clear.
1678  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: All crypto with an IPO/ICO is trash - no exceptions. Just launch fairly. on: March 14, 2016, 06:28:09 PM
I am trying to be a developer of a social network, not of a ticker symbol.

You know something the masses are interested in, not a circle jerk of fools playing greater fool fistfucking with each other while violating SEC regulations and setting themselves up for future jail time.
1679  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: We missed the ETH train. on: March 14, 2016, 06:16:36 PM
Well, I'm doing something similar with Factom - only, my holding period is years. Call me whatever, but Factom has a straightforward use case that's already being sold.

But that's just me. I can see someone using Etherium (or an ETH clone) as a kind of savings account to HODL profits or savings from the fiat world. In fact, I have ~5000 Shift (SHF) that's essentially free coins because I sold half after a double. Bought ~10'000 below 500 satoshis, sold 5000 above 10'000 satoshis, so I'm HODLing with house money.

I admit that, dollar-wise, my bag isn't that much - but it is exciting to have skin in the game. Smiley

You have 0.5 BTC invested and you think your opinion is worth anything there  Huh

Unless you have more than lunch money invested, you have no risk thus you have no need to be cautious.
1680  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: ETH GETTING DUMPED HARD!!!! on: March 14, 2016, 06:03:39 PM
Myself, I think that Etherium has some ways to go

The illusion of the dip which is actually a crash enveloping as you described, even has you fooled.

There aren't many pumpers. There is stoat posting from numerous accounts he purchased. Minecache is stoat.

Then there are the rest of you, who hanging on for it to go higher before you sell. Which is exactly the top of a bubble when you all can't buy any more because you are all-in.

There won't be new millionaires announced and a long drawn out bubble as for Bitcoin in 2013 (there isn't that much money being actually injected, rather just insiders buying from themselves). This will be a short-lived pump because it has no fundamental support. Just a bunch idiots calmly thinking they won't be the last man out the door, when 1000 to 10,000 speculators fight their way through one exit.

I suppose the upcoming implosion of ETH will clean out the altcoin sector, because very few will have the remaining money and nerve to buy any risky altcoins. And yeah I know ETH isn't risky at all.  Roll Eyes

Well, I'm doing something similar with Factom - only, my holding period is years. Call me whatever, but Factom has a straightforward use case that's already being sold.

But that's just me. I can see someone using Etherium (or an ETH clone) as a kind of savings account to HODL profits or savings from the fiat world. In fact, I have ~5000 Shift (SHF) that's essentially free coins because I sold half after a double. Bought ~10'000 below 500 satoshis, sold 5000 above 10'000 satoshis, so I'm HODLing with house money.

I admit that, dollar-wise, my bag isn't that much - but it is exciting to have skin in the game. Smiley

You have 0.5 BTC invested and you think your opinion is worth anything there  Huh

Unless you have more than lunch money invested, you have no risk thus you have no need to be cautious.
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