Two games down and two exact scores for me. I was going to say I felt pretty confident this week but I didn't want to look an idiot when I got them all wrong  . I've gone for all home wins on the 3 o'clock kicks off today and I'm not expecting many surprises if any. I just hope my Chelsea/Leicester/Everton acca comes in (though I've also gone with the same and an Everton draw instead as that's the game I'm shaky about). Liverpool shouldn't have any trouble with a Kane-less Spurs on the evening fixture but I don't know if that game will be too easy for them, but I could be wrong.

Does anyone have a full list of channels that got wiped? When I first saw people complaining about this I figure it was just the scammy channels trying to sell you ICOs and ponzis etc but it seems that's not the case.


I'm sure many people would rather use something else but like it or not youtube is where the money and traffic is right now so people are still going to use it even with all its flaws. It's the same with many things now even when there's better alternatives. I'm not sure why people are still using ebay when there's plenty other cheaper of even free ways to sell your stuff online and ebay's fees have always been ridiculous and I'm sure someday that will shoot them in the foot if they don't lower them.


They're a ridiculously huge company and they can't manually check everything due to the sheer quantity of videos being uploaded every second so mistakes are going to be made and collateral damage will happen from time to time when things are automated but the onus should be on how fast they rectify these mistakes and if they do at all. Luckily in this case they seem to have sorted it quite quickly.

I've gone for the draw here. 1-1. No way I'd back Arsenal in their current form especially away but I'm not sure Palace are playing strong enough to win so when I can't split matches like this I go for the draw.


Well Liverpool and Man City will probably win but I personally wouldn't back Watford away. Sure, they're the stronger team right now but both teams are side-by-side in the table and are both fighting relegation so I'm going for the bore draw as I think both teams will cancel each other out and both will be happy with a point. Game could go any way though.


What are you betting on? Spurs to win?

Well off to a good start as I got that score spot on. I was gutted when I got the notification that West Ham had equalised in injury time and was praying for a var cancellation as often happens these days and it happened haha. It was quite harsh watching the hightlights. The defender headed the ball onto the attackers hand and it was given as handball. It was ball-to-hand really and it's not like he purposely controlled it: https://youtu.be/bxtU_ppPjkk?t=135


Speak to theymos about it, but it's rare that he changes them and I was surprised by this one and even I didn't realise it at first and thought he was some randomer. I think being able to change your name should come as a perk of a new donator rank. I think that would be quite popular. I'm sure a lot of people dislike their names here and were chosen on the spot. I don't mind mine but I wanted one that I hadn't used anywhere else for privacy reasons.


Lol. He explained here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4479837.msg53559575#msg53559575

I wouldn't mind upping the stakes a bit but I don't want to price people out either and I want as many people to join as possible and hopefully the pool will grow over the years. Roughly £25 in bitcoin isn't much but doubling it or more might make many others pass. As Trofo said, I did initially see if anyone wanted to join a higher stakes pool but there wasn't that much interest or enough where I thought it would be worth it. I also don't really want to do a winner takes all. I think it's better having multiple prizes so a lot of people still have a chance of winning something. Hopefully we can get more sponsorship money as well with next pools.


I'll consider it. Maybe the winner could get the extra cash then choose whether to buy the hat or spoon themselves so nobody has to give their address out. I can't imagine many people would want to buy the wooden spoon though and don't know if I want to reward someone with cash for doing very badly haha.


Yeah, a narrow home win for me, though the draw is tempting.

Everton and Wolves home wins and Bournemouth vs Watford a draw probably for me. I've gone for all home wins on the 3 o'clock kick-offs but I'm sure there will be at least one draw in there (maybe the Everton//Brighton game). Watford are the better team right now but not sure I'd back them to win away and both teams are next to each other on the table and are fighting relegation so a draw it is for me (I'm sure they'll both be happy with the point as well). That game could go anywhere though from a bore draw 0-0 to a goalfest like 2-2 or something so not sure whether to risk watching it or not.


Nobody wants a wooden spoon and I'm sure people wont want to expose their address for one, but you can actually buy the Superbru-branded spoons and caps:



https://store.superbru.com/products/office-bundle-yellow-cap-wooden-spoon

I suppose if enough people wanted it maybe this pool or the one next year I could take the money out of the pot to have a cap or spoon shipped to the winner/loser.

Sadio Mane earns £150,000 a week (and that's not including any performance-based bonuses and sponsorships) so he could buy a couple of Ferraris every month if he wanted, but there's only so much money someone needs before it becomes unnecessary and it's nice to see people actually do something good with their money rather than just blow it all on overpriced clothes and cars. I'm surprised more players don't do it really as nobody needs the amount of money they earn. I wouldn't even know what to do with 150k a week. £150k a year would make you a very wealthy person in the UK and you'd be in the top 1% on that alone.  


Of you could probably buy thousands of cheaper cars instead and help even more.

I'd say it's shady/deceptive and is obviously going to be frowned upon, but whether someone thinks that is worthy of a flag is up to them.


Never underestimate how sneaky and conniving people can be here. Anyone with a bit of cunning can quickly learn how to game the system here and many do, especially on the hunt for merit. We used to see it a lot with feedback/trust where people would seek out cheap trades with the right people just to build up some 'green' (and I'm sure it still happens).

They can't retroactively change the rules and then try go after you for them. They might change how they tax cryptos in the future but that's irrelevant to how you pay your taxes right now. As long as you've been following the rules/guidelines now then you won't have a problem, just make sure you stay on top of the changes and make sure to check every year before you do or pay your taxes so there's no issues.


They don't need to provide specific guidance, but just use logic. If you're earning coins then the value should be noted at the point you received them and make sure you keep a good record of this and then there should be nothing to worry about. Capital gains would likely need to be paid if you hold coins for an amount of time and sell them for profit. If you've kept a record of how much the coins were worth when you received them then it's easy to work out the gains.

Well there is the local rule in the op that it's only for paying pool participants. We occasionally get yobit shitposters crapping in here but their turds are swiftly removed as are any others that post in here that haven't paid to play.


Well draws are always risky but sometimes a good play when you can't split the teams. Everton - Brighton & Hove Albion is another tricky one. I'll probably go for the Everton home win but I'm really tempted on the draw as well. Both teams have been pretty inconsistent but I think Everton's form has been slightly better and there's the obvious home advantage.


A five a side match would kill me. They're far too intense and I haven't played in years. Maybe Sportsbook.io could get a bitcoin match set up on the Watford pitch haha. I've always wanted to play in a stadium. I'd probably get fit for that  .

The title of the ticket 'waiting on fraud' cracked me up.


Interesting. Is this just a bitcoin-thing? I've never heard of this on fiat-based sportsbooks but they often they make you play with your free bets or deposit bonus x amount of times. I guess it kind of makes sense, though I'd be annoyed if I deposited some money then realised I couldn't withdraw it straight away. I guess they could argue why would you deposit money if you weren't going to play with it but you could always change your mind or the odds on something you were going to play on drop. I always hated those bet x amount of bet requirements. I can't remember what company it was - might have been FJ - but I won football competition giveaway on here and they deposited the winnings in my account but I couldn't withdraw them until I'd bet the money 1 time. Luckily I won but it would have been pretty annoying had I not.


It's not a huge amount, but gambling sites can't really win. If the users account got hacked and their money sent elsewhere people complain about how the company did nothing to stop it. FortuneJack requires email confirmation when you add a new address which is a good feature. A few people on here were crying about when another company held onto a users money whilst they investigated something but they were doing so because there was some clear shenanigans going on and had they not investigated it thoroughly they likely would have sent the money to the wrong person as there were two parties trying to get at the money (which was a significant amount if I recall correctly.


Did they respond at all? FJ are pretty trusted and I don't think they would attempt to steal such a relatively small amount so I think they must suspect something wrong with your account.

Lol. But why would you change your name to BitcoinGirl.Club? Or expect that I knew who you was. Looked like some rando posting that I'd never seen before  .


If Watford were at home I would back them easy, but away I'm not so sure. Watford are the better team right now but they threw away a 3-0 lead in the cup earlier this week. Bournemouth might have lost their last two games but the beat Chelsea away recently and managed a draw with Arsenal and that is what's leading me to the draw. The only thing I need to decide is whether I go for goals or the 0-0.


Yeah. It's probably not the exact same thing but similar or does the same job. It's like a burning numbness. Kind of a weird yet paradoxical feeling. I might actually buy some for nostalgias sake  .

This isn't a court of law and essentially anyone can create an accusation of wrongdoing here, but they should be taken on a case by case basis and on the evidence or lack thereof presented. If someone creates a thread without any evidence then why would you care? Just ignore it. Someone could create a thread against me proclaiming me to be a scammer, but without any evidence it should and likely would be ignored. However, if someone presented some worthy evidence then it should be acknowledged and can be investigated by others. I can choose to respond or not to either instances as that's my choice but ignoring valid accusations probably wouldn't look good and people can make their own opinions on that.


Well it would help to know what issue you're complaining about because each case is unique and without more details we likely can't be conclusive in answering your question. You might have a valid case or not. For Instance, The-Devil seems to be proclaiming his innocence and that he's been abused and hard done by: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215876.0

But given the evidence presented only he seems to think he's done nothing wrong, but obviously others disagree.

Are you losing interest because this is yet another account that has been exposed or something else? What is your goal or agenda on the forum because this exposure probably changes very little. You can still post and contribute here with or with the feedback or merit.


What are your good points? It seems that any 'good' you may have done here was done so just to try fish for merits.


Well it's pretty obvious: to discuss whether the post in question deserves all the merit it received. Lots of people create threads for merit abuse or threads that cause alarm by receiving a lot of merit and 50 merit for relatively insignificant post definitely rings alarms. 


Agreed. A negative rating without a flag isn't even the end of the world here now like it used to be. I'm sure there are plenty of campaigns that will still accept you, or maybe just stick around and try to prove your worth and change people's minds about you.

The issue now isn't really who has given you merits and for what. It's the abuse that has been spotted after attention has been drawn to you. I don't really think there is anything you can do ultimately to prove it other than try make a strong argument as to why you're innocent, but the evidence presented looks very damning in my opinion. Sure, it could just be a coincidence or some other shenanigans going on, but I really doubt you're not related to those accounts in some fashion. There's just too many coincidences for me. Your account is barely a month old so it's not the end of the world as much as you might be annoyed that all that merit has gone to waste so if you can't resolve this then I'd just create another account and try again.

Because they're hurt and are not in love anymore? Seriously, I've never seen such pettiness from both sides than when a relationship ends but it's done because at least one of the parties got emotionally hurt and they now want to hurt the other person in any way they can.

I like the phrase there ain't no enemy like an ex-best friend because it's true. There usually has to be a bond that has been broken or a trust that has been abused to turn someone so sour and make them actively hate or dislike the person. Most people would just move on and forget about it if some arsehole said something to you on the street even if it was hurtful, but it probably hurts a lot more but when it's an (ex-)friend or (ex-)partner and people seem to take that much more personally and to heart.


If it doesn't have any benefits for the male then why would males get married? There clearly is benefits because it wouldn't happen otherwise and 99% of the time it's men that propose. Don't get married if there's no benefits to you. All marriage is in most cases is a ring and a bit of paper so it is worthless in most cases and I wouldn't suggest it.

Whilst I think there is a definite issue regarding lack of sources and merit sent I don't think that means you need to give all the merit away to anyone regardless of it going to waste or not. That post in the op really doesn't deserve any merit in my opinion. At most maybe one as a congratulations but I wouldn't give it anything, though I see several others disagree. These sorts of look at me I ranked up threads threads are dime a dozen and will only become more prolific once people see they get merited.


I don't agree with giving 50 merit away just for the sake of it. I can understand maybe bumping up a very worthy post from 10 merits to 50 if they're going to go to waste but not a post that arguably only deserves one at most (and as I said I don't think these self-congratulatory ranking up threads deserve anything at all in the first place). Giving away merits recklessly like this is obviously going to lead to shenanigans like this but hopefully they'll be in the minority.


This doesn't really prove anything other than you can type. There's a huge difference between following a typing test and coming up with something from scratch that requires actual thought and the evidence provided by several people looks pretty damning regardless of how fast you can type.


The-Devil fucked up.


Fake newbies are users that sign up and pretend or appear to be a brand new user to the forum, when in reality they've got another main account or more and have likely been a member for a very long time. It's often easy to spot because the users seem to have a pre-existing knowledge of certain forum-related things.

You signed up one month before I joined the forum and signature campaigns were definitely here then, at least PrimeDice was. I don't think they were the first either but were certainly the most popular at the time. I think Stunna has commented somewhere in Meta on this and the history of campaigns somewhere if you wanted to search for it. I remember being quite annoyed that I'd made over 100 posts before I discovered PD were paying for them. I'd seen the PrimeDice signatures everywhere but didn't realise PD were actually paying for them. At first I couldn't quite believe it because the top amount you could earn per month was about £300-500 a month or something for about 400 posts which is a decent amount for merely posting on a forum. The rates even went up over time and then again when signature restrictions came in with ranks. The spam was kept to a minimum back then but it quickly grew into a problem and practically became its own industry. Now it's mostly been taken over by ICOs but the bitcoin paying ones have certainly dwindled. Back in the day anyone could sign up and start earning top amounts but that obviously started to become abused very swiftly and hence the need for rank restrictions and then even further down the line merit.


Well it probably would be the same reasons why anyone joins a forum on a particular subject. Usually because they're very interested in the topic and want to either discuss about it or learn more. I'd heard of bitcoin probably a few months before I joined the forum and I was very exited about it. At first it was because the political and economical aspects of it that interested me, but I also saw the potential of it as an investment opportunity once I'd read into it more. I actually first heard about bitcoin due to the news coverage it got because people were using it on sites Silk Road. I'd joined a few forums before, mostly of my favourite bands, and had even become a mod of a couple of them, but posting on them and not here quickly became a waste of time really especially when time was money here. I've mentioned this here in the past before, but you often get the older jaded members of a forum who become snobby and unwelcoming to newbies and outgrow it. One board of a band I was a mod at was inhabited by a lot of users who didn't even like the actual band anymore and had turned into snobby condescending hipsters who were now too cool for everything and only cared about the bands that nobody had heard of, but they stuck around like a bad smell making it unpleasant for everyone else, especially the fans of the actual band. The atmosphere really became so toxic that most Newbies just left soon after they joined because it was so unwelcoming and it got so bad that the actual fans even created their own new site and forum. I guess it's not so dissimilar to the other boards that have been created as an alternative to this one but you would think that if people lost interest in bitcoin they would leave. 

I wonder how many people will be checking their older posts today and having a purge of all the ones they don't like  .


I guess anyone can become this way over time and it depends how involved you became with the forum or how much you care about it (and how much people start to annoy you). It's often hard to see how you yourself changes as it's a gradual process just like you don't notice physical changes in yourself or with weightloss/gain, but others do because they have that outside perspective and often don't see you every day. Being a mod and being partly responsible for the uptake/order of things here certain things can annoy you when you're responsible for cleaning up constantly. Think of it like someone managing a flower garden and kids keep coming in and shitting all over it and pulling the plants out. It would start to piss you off and turn you sour if you were in charge of looking after it day after day, but I've started to care less about certain things though, especially with things I can't really change. I used to spend a lot of time trying to get on top of signature spam and finding abusers of certain things but it's never-ending and I'd just rather spend my time on things less stressful now. Not much point in doing things you can't change or haven't even been asked of you in the first place so it's just unnecessary stress and workload really and there's already a lot of that to go around already.

Bournemouth - Watford game on the weekend could be interesting. Both are fighting to get out of the relegation zone and a win for either would likely take them out of it, especially since I don't expect West Ham or Villa to get any points this weekend who are both just above the zone. I've got a feeling the game will either be a thriller or a dull 0-0 or something though as both teams could cancel each other out.

I probably would have gone with a draw on the Tottenham - Liverpool game as well but since Kane is out I'll likely go for a narrow Liverpool win.

Just noticed Vardy is really running away with the top goalscorer. 17 goals to Aubameyang's 13 behind him. He didn't even play the last match where they thumped Newcastle at home 3-0. I'm sure he would have grabbed one in that game at least. Apparently he'll be back for tomorrow's cup game but if not I'm sure he'll be playing on the weekend


You mean something like deep heat?



We used to get that sprayed on us as well. It was actually good post game as it warmed you up and kinda took away any aches but you don't want it sprayed all over you during a match. Haven't used it since then but the smell was really potent.