d3m0nkings [12:38 AM] 
but it's possible to say it's not his fault for watever reason the server stopped doing checkpoints that could've machine error not human, it's just wat happened afterwards

[12:38] 
that's possible to be blamed on him

[12:38] 
but either way , this blaming thing doesn't get anywhere

bittrex-richie [12:38 AM] 
i got no blame for anyone

[12:38] 
i just can't afford to lose funds


Wuher BOT [12:38 AM] 
@d3m0nkings: it isn't that it stopped that is the issue

d3m0nkings [12:39 AM] 
it's the restart


Wuher BOT [12:39 AM] 
Well, it's how it was brought back onto the network afterwards

[12:39] 
which ​*is*​ human error

d3m0nkings [12:40 AM] 
ok then, so he just needs to say what really happened after that realization the server stopped

[12:40] 
admit to whatever occurred there and just move on

[12:40] 
and not do it again

bittrex-richie [12:40 AM] 
this isn't a punishment .. nor am i looking for an apology

[12:41] 
its a simple economics thing.. if i dont trust the coin, i'm removing it


fuzzyhobbit BOT [12:41 AM] 
none of that is really necessary, he just needs to help richie balance his spreadsheet

bittrex-richie [12:41 AM] 
it was .2 btc.. i didnt' care about it

bittrex-richie [12:20 AM] 
as was ccex

[12:20] 
so both your exchanges were on the same fork... and then it rolls back 1700 blocks


Wuher BOT [12:20 AM] 
fuzzyhobbit: yeah you can't do stuff like that.. you have to stop the checkpointing server, resync the chain separately, then bring it back up with a synced version

bittrex-richie [12:21 AM] 
d3m0nkings: just so you know.. fuzzy runs one of the most stable coins out there ... and wuher runs a major pool and deals with almost as many wallets as us

[12:21] 
if you really want to get it sorted out.. go find a dev.. any dev.. one that gets paid to code review coins

[12:21] 
and have them assess the situation


Wuher BOT [12:22 AM] 
Also, the reality is also that the checkpointing server, being that far behind, can't sync with the other fork either

[12:22] 
(it can't regain those blocks it 'missed')

bittrex-richie [12:22 AM] 
i'm sure we are right here... i dont know if spots is incompetant or just too proud to admit he made a mistake...

[12:22] 
before this i counted him as a very capable dev and i would go to for advice and sanity checks.

[12:22] 
and even now i have nothing against him... the coin itself has an issue.  i want it addrsesed.

[12:23] 
oh and one last point

[12:23] 
if his theory that checkpointing is so important

[12:23] 
and everyone is suppose to be checking it


fuzzyhobbit BOT [12:23 AM] 
ruby and blackcoin don't use it at all anymore

bittrex-richie [12:23 AM] 
```query primecoin getcheckpoint
{
    "synccheckpoint" : "86909ab2eaa81655d91176e51688ec93abe8bd63616a17143b818b789f778c78",
    "height" : 116389,
    "timestamp" : "2016-03-28 23:39:41 UTC"
}

```


fuzzyhobbit BOT [12:24 AM] 
and we are pure pos without the protection of pow

bittrex-richie [12:24 AM] 
the other spots coin i have on here hasn't been check pointed in 3 months?

[12:24] 
the checkpoint argument is stupid.

d3m0nkings [12:24 AM] 
ya and look at sprout coin nothing since last year

bittrex-richie [12:24 AM] 
if the wallet has an issue with it, go into safe mode.

[12:24] 
there is no reason i'm checking when the last block checkpointed.

[12:24] 
fuzzy, you stopped using a checkpoint server?


fuzzyhobbit BOT [12:25 AM] 
yep

bittrex-richie [12:25 AM] 
didn't know that..


Wuher BOT [12:25 AM] 
it's just an attach vector


fuzzyhobbit BOT [12:25 AM] 
it's not necessary anymore if you change a few other things


Wuher BOT [12:25 AM] 
*attack

bittrex-richie [12:25 AM] 
yeah.. i hate cp servers...


fuzzyhobbit BOT [12:25 AM] 
and have proper distribution

bittrex-richie [12:25 AM] 
might as well run a DB

d3m0nkings [12:26 AM] 
ok well , richie, point is if SPOTS gets this corrected, then the exchange will consider keeping the on board?

[12:26] 
coin*


fuzzyhobbit BOT [12:27 AM] 
https://github.com/rubycoinorg/rubycoin/commit/dfe3595991364593b1f069bf7916fff591369d28

bittrex-richie [12:27 AM] 
doubtful... i tried to be civil about it


fuzzyhobbit BOT [12:27 AM] 
https://github.com/rubycoinorg/rubycoin/commit/7a35f1d6b60d4b05540597c3b807ca2dbf1e13fb

bittrex-richie [12:27 AM] 
if it wasn't for privacy reasons, i'd show you the thread we had.

d3m0nkings [12:27 AM] 
ya it's alright

bittrex-richie [12:27 AM] 
fuzzy, nod.. didn't realize you did that.

[12:28] 
d3m0nkings: if we are at fault here, i woudl haveno problem owning up to it

[12:28] 
if you can find me a credible dev that said we did somethin gwrong, i'm happy to apologize....

[12:28] 
but i've checked this with numerous devs and other individuals.. i dont see how a chain rolling back is our fault

d3m0nkings [12:28 AM] 
lol if i could i'd get gavin to assess it lol


Wuher BOT [12:28 AM] 
gavin would likely be a poor source for verification of that

d3m0nkings [12:29 AM] 
why

bittrex-richie [12:29 AM] 
there are a lot of credible devs in here.. .


fuzzyhobbit BOT [12:29 AM] 
a large part of being able to remove the checkpointing server is to remove coin-age(https://github.com/rubycoinorg/rubycoin/commit/2aa720c58eedc7d06ad3bd93184d1b4e06a1a735) so that the staking closer resembles a random lottery


Wuher BOT [12:29 AM] 
He has more limited experience with non-bitcoin coins than many other people.

d3m0nkings [12:29 AM] 
so have them check it then


Wuher BOT [12:29 AM] 
Checkpointing servers aren't used in bitcoin.

bittrex-richie [12:29 AM] 
earlz does code reviews and writes excellent shit.. fuzzy runs a successful coin... gritt-n-auld ran blackcoin... syntaks runs more coins than i cna count....

d3m0nkings [12:29 AM] 
show the result f of their analysis


Wuher BOT [12:29 AM] 
@d3m0nkings: I haven't heard a single person supporting the other side of your argument

bittrex-richie [12:29 AM] 
infernoman runs tx and some other stuf..  jyap runs jbs..

[12:30] 
the list goes on and on

pulseproject [12:30 AM] 
Hello

bittrex-richie [12:30 AM] 
go do your own research.

[12:30] 
and then theres pulse :wink:

gritt-n-auld [12:30 AM] 
I heard my phone bing

bittrex-richie [12:30 AM] 
grin..

[12:30] 
go back to bed dude

pulseproject [12:30 AM] 
Everyone has a healthy Pulse here ?

[12:30] 
we hope so!

gritt-n-auld [12:30 AM] 
I just got out of bed


Wuher BOT [12:31 AM] 
man, look at the juice @bittrex-richie has

bittrex-richie [12:31 AM] 
hhe you should read the thread we talked about the other day... it went super sideways hehe

bittrex-bill [12:31 AM] 
haha. we appreciate you showing up.  you're on richie's list of credible devs

bittrex-richie [12:31 AM] 
omg

[12:31] 
did anyone see the blocktalk thing with the cabbage devs?


Wuher BOT [12:31 AM] 
waking people up in the middle of the night with a single message.. with great power comes great responsibility richie

bittrex-richie [12:31 AM] 
its pure entertainment

[12:31] 
i didn't even @ tag him!

d3m0nkings [12:31 AM] 
ya the thing that doesn't line up, is if checkpoint server failed, then sprout coin should've forked after it stopped doing checkpoints

bittrex-richie [12:31 AM] 
thats not what happens


Wuher BOT [12:32 AM] 
@d3m0nkings: the fork occurs when you bring the checkpoint server back up afterwards

bittrex-richie [12:32 AM] 
if its on the wrong chain

[12:32] 
liek if it was staking


Wuher BOT [12:32 AM] 
(and/or in between, forks can occur if there's no checkpointing server, but that's not guaranteed to happen)

bittrex-richie [12:32 AM] 
it chooses its own staked block instead of what the network was doing the entire time it was offline.

[12:32] 
its all messy when it comes to checkpoint servers


Wuher BOT [12:32 AM] 
and yes, it's only most likely to happen when the checkpointing server is staking

bittrex-richie [12:32 AM] 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBaaOyI1hhE&feature=youtu.be&t=2170
 YouTube #Blocktalk
#Blocktalk - Cabbage Tech Team
 


fuzzyhobbit BOT [12:32 AM] 
if a staking node also had the checkpoint private key, it could have rolled back to virtually anywhere it wanted (maybe a hard-coded checkpoint would stop it)
=================================================


So SPOTS.....

make it happen....

i'm there
nobody talking....sleeping or idk wat

I emailed Richela,

waiting his reply

That's the exact reply i gave them before i posted here what they wrote to me lol

I'm waiting for their response if they're syncing now

i just restarted my wallet on the VPS, started up no problem 6 connections right off the bat and goin up

Got a reply from them >

Bleutrade Team (Bleutrade) <support@bleutrade.zendesk.com>
12:20 PM (2 hours ago)

to me
##- Please type your reply above this line -##
Your request (#3362) has been updated. Reply to this email or click the link below:
https://bleutrade.zendesk.com/hc/requests/3362

Bleutrade    
Bleutrade Team (Bleutrade)
Jun 10, 13:20 BRT

Hi Ader, we tried in various ways to synchronize the wallet, but without success.

Best regards,
Bleutrade Team.

===============================================

Why SPOTS???

....

I'm trying help them get it synced

Sometimes we just gotta accept things as they are and move on with our heads high and do what's best for the greater cause

never isn't forever lol

but since we're pointing out bullshits, they were burning coins that nobody knew about for a while  

still..to the point...let's focus on the goal

are they literally saying that as fact they ''lost'' coins that never actually were on the exchange?

Cause that's absurd, there would've so much uproar on this thread if that really happened....


And anyway, regardless this splitting of hairs on what he said she said, we just need this coin back on there. I don't care how

Exactly, you know it's true spots

lol there's only 3 buy orders on bittrex, top of the book 3 sats.....

those of you saying you raking on the staking better sell your coins before those buy orders get eaten up  

i'm out of this coin, sold mine today, i don't know any coin that's recovered from this low  

Edit:
Took my booty and got me some gold (link in sig) 

 

BTC ▲  ->  Alts ▼

ok then

and yet you invest in this coin.. why? 

Dude you're full of shit, how's that compared to coins with much less return on their high-pos rates?

and GOLD

And USD value isn't even backed up by anything! it's a faith based monetary system run by a government in trillions of dollars of debt, so ya what's the point of your argument?

DigiCube dropped down to the 300 sat range when I got into this coin and right now i''m still in profit from the point i started investing with this coin... so your statement doesn't corroborate with my CUBE financial standing.

i agree with this change for the following reasons:

it will control the issue this coin had with dumpers, now holders will have to buy/keep coins to have or build up to the coinage necessary to achieve maximum stake rate. prior to this it was fairly easy to ramp up the the amount of coins needed to get the 2000% stake rate. now it's a lil more difficult to do so, therefore weeding out the dumpers and those more faithful to the coin will stay in for the long term investment which is much more ideal situation.

And seriously why complain about 1-500% stake rate at all? do you get this at the banks? damn some of you are just greedy mofos instead of wise investors  

i don't care if it's 1% or 1000%, my f'n USA bank account gets a shit .01 % interest rate a month. you think i'm complaining about spots new stake proposal? hell @$%# no!

you guys make me laugh I swear

if you want fast money go print your own dollars and euros, just make sure they don't catch your counterfeits lol

also update regarding bleutrade.. they are now studying DigiCube for possible addition to their exchange,

I received a reply from them just a moment ago:

   
Bleutrade Team (Bleutrade)
Jun 4, 17:43 BRT

Dear user, Bleutrade is open again to new additions. We are studying your recommendation.

Best regards,
Bleutrade Team.

because the balance is split every time the coins stake which you've noticed on the minting tab.

you need to recombine your balance into one transaction after staking to make sure you always have at or over the coinage amount in a single transaction.

So just send all your coins back to one of the addresses of YOUR wallet and you'll stake the full 5.5% in 24 hrs