yes ok then shred once done - again no need to save once project is done.

here is the deal with that - many of the coins are not actually "funded" by the maker. The maker has the buyer send funds to an address prior to shipment and then calls these "maker funded" and then they sell "buyer funded" where the buyer funds it when the receive it. There is no difference between these two scenarios - the buyer in both cases is directly funding the coin/collectible.

I do understand that not everyone wants to do their own keys though - so having a more secure way is a great idea.

Makers need to stop saving/keeping copies of the keys - use a system that puts the keys in RAM so when the machine is shut off the keys are gone - I have heard from some that do this.

Me personally, I dont save the fiile that comes out of the generator - I run the program copy the keys to a QR generator, copy that to a document and then print it - once done I close the document without saving, I close the programs without saving - essentially whatever I printed is all there is. I do typically do 2-3 of each address/key pair for in the situation I fuck up a holo. once the project is done, all remaining keys (good and peeled ones) are cross shredded and then burned. My system is airgapped - the wifi and bluetooth modules removed. I use disposable usb drives (made from paper) to update the laptop periodically - these are also cross shredded and burned after use and never ever go back to the online system. I also periodically replace the hard drive, drill it and burn it.

is there a chance that one time I could keep a key or two - sure.  But my face is known by many here - my name is known and my address is known.

There is not enough money in the world that would entice me - doing so would make me a marked man - I have too many kids and grandkids to go on the run lol

But I do get that this fear can still be there for some people. and a split key process or BIP38 or 2FA - something else would make it more secure.

It also makes the process longer and harder. Is it worth it?  and does it remove all the need to have trust?  hard to say...

for bip38 and with having 2 entities involved with applying first the PK and then the pw - you would probably need two people somewhat close so as to not be paying a fortune to ship coins back and forth and without risk to losing them in the process.

there is the split key method https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Split-key_vanity_address

I apologize but someone here was working on it and at this time and moment, I cannot recall who it was.

another option is always offer DIY

my whole problem with his explanation about keeping keys to fund them with the first block - you dont need pk's to do funding , addresses can do that.

so wtf have copies? and then after they were funded why then not destroy the keys? then he said oh I found the gold keys too...

did they provide tracking?

I dont think there should be a question in asking whats up if you have paid and had no response.

No - i am saying he has been banned on numerous other accounts. He is now back on the alamjob account which is ban evasion - thst should be grounds to get this account banned as well.

thanks for looking thru the times - I didnt get a chance to do that.

I do know there were others even further apart - chibitcty had his swept at approx 630ish last night - hours after the explanation was even given. and hours after yogg stated that all the cards would be now safe.

no need to be a smart ass - they didnt look like me - it was me - I had a partner and yes he was responsible for making keys for his customers - he made some for me, however he did not use the system we set up, he went with an online key generator. he is no longer my partner.

It was not an "app" it was a website - one he had been told not to use.

He never made keys for anyone on here other than me.

for every project I have done or key I have done for here on the forums, I made the keys - no one has access to them.

these two situations are not the same.

also has nothing to do with using a hardware wallet - many of which have been proven to be just as faulty.

so what pitfall are you saying to eliminate? me? fine. I will not be part of this. Doesn't bother me but I wont have someone accusing me of a being a risk because I wont use a HW wallet - like you are.

btc tracker i think - it was posted in the other thread, that is when i found the one yoda linked above as I have an iPhone - I missed his link until about an hour ago lol

to me hw wallets have a higher chance of failure than myself and wasn't lukes on an exchange or something? that was the first issue in my opinion.

but agreed not wanting to derail.

if it must be with a hardware wallet, I use bitcoin core - that's as close to hardware wallet I will ever get (outside of like a ballet hot wallet - but I would not use that for this) If that does not work for the community, then I will step aside and let minerjones work with another person. It does not offend me in the least.

this is probably my favorite kialara due to having an asic chip involved but way way way out of my affordable range

I need day 1 kialara pricing lol

lol thats ok at the time it processed it was only worth 67.47 but now its worth 77.83

point is the price dips/rises often - usually it all balances out.

I think only once was I really down on funds for a group buy due to price swings enough where I had to ask involved parties to pay more.

another simply solution - as a creator, dont fucking save keys - ever.

I doubt this will eliminate private keys on collectibles - that is part of the allure to the collectibles - but maybe always at least offer it as a DIY.

The ones that get me are the "funded" and "buyer funded" - in where the buyer directly funds the item in both cases yet only one is called "buyer funded"

I do make keys - and a lot of them for people here and elsewhere - but I always try to teach them or at least tell them they should make their own.

There are steps and processes to insure that as a creator you never expose keys to theft or use. Never save them, never leave them laying around, never keep them...

I think there will just always need to be a DIY option.

that said, I do like the opendime use except my fear with those is they get broke or fried - then you're fucked.

I never use hardware wallets - would not even know how to start with using one.

I have quite a few of em in my collection though

I use core - does that count? This is to show that one person cannot up and run with the funds - provide a bit more peace of mind. There is not enough money in existence to make me take it. My face is known, my name is known, my address is known and quite frankly I am simply not built that way.

No worries and thank you - you were just waiting for btc to go up lol i just hope it dont tank before I pay ballet lol

As a note - apple has one similar “bitcoin address tracker”

I agree - I think Cygan is approaching it from his role of being the CEO anything he spends ahould then either come from yogg now or at some future point.

Congrats to the winners and thanks for the raffle!

Yes - will get with MJ tomorrow to confirm and we will provide an address at that time

I offer to volunteer but would also suggest minerjones

If it needs to be it could be done as a multisig wallet with 3 key holders requiring that at least 2 agree to send the funds - this way no 1 person can walk away with it