In your opinion, what would be a more reasonable fee?

You said "anyone". Be more careful with your wording next time.

I think you will need to clarify what you mean by "in business" before anyone will take you seriously.

I'll bet you 5000 BTC. Care to put your money where your mouth is?

Oh... he left. Well, if anyone would care to pass the message along to him. I'd like to make some easy money.

When you request a withdrawal you have to agree to terms of service that says exactly that. We aren't responsible for lost mail.


I've already addressed this. Profit is only one possible motive. The satisfaction of acting superior is another possibility. It's a fallacious reasoning to assume that just because there are little profits to be made that people won't be vindictive for other reasons. Some people just like acting like they are king of the hill.


That price will definitely go down. I figured that it would be better for me to charge more rather than less until I figure out exactly how much gas/time/effort etc is going to be required to keep this up. It's also to cover possible international mail costs too. Eventually I'll have separate rates depending on the country.

Thanks for your comments.

It should mean that you tried to place a bid that would require more than 5 dollars. What was the price and amount you used?

Who said that it would? Nobody. That's a straw man argument. It protects my personal assets from civil lawsuits and business debts, which is the point. Also, before you ask "what possible lawsuits or debts", that's the point. I don't know. If I could predict the future then I wouldn't need to worry.


Then you have no business giving anyone advice on how to run a business. That's an unnecessary risk which is not the kind of thing an entrepreneur should be doing.


It's only unnecessary if I don't mind putting my personal assets at risk for lawsuits or debts, which I do.

Sweet! Good luck with your business.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. However, I think that if we took a vote from people that weren't biased, they would agree with me. This is also not representative of my business disputes. He's not a client and there has been no business done here. That's hardly a fair metric. It would be wiser to see how my actual business dealings turn out. It's hard to see how a dispute like this could arise. Things are a lot more clear cut with the actual business. Either you sent money or you didn't. Either I sent Bitcoins or I didn't. Where's the need for reasoning?


I'm not angry at you. I don't trust you. I think you're intellectually dishonest. Other than that, I feel nothing. I guess it's easier for you to convince yourself that I'm just a "hater" rather than someone that sees through your bullshit. The worst part is that even if you weren't really making that claim, you won't admit that at the very least it was poor wording. No, I'm just a nitpicker because I want to be angry. That's logical.

I'm not here to make friends. I'm here to be trusted as a business. If you won't do business with me because you don't like me personally, that's a bit silly but it's your prerogative.


Oh, I didn't say I'm letting you off the hook. I just pointed out that you're not really gaining anything by weaseling out of your statement. There's no way that your statement makes sense except interpreted in one way. Nobody is keeping you here though. You're free to leave if you don't want to debate anymore.

Why do trolls say half of the idiotic things they say?

You said that people with 5 posts would be an obvious "joe job" but then went on to say that "the real problem" is if I have "established/trusted members of the forum complaining". So, even if I give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't mean what you said, it's still hardly a nitpick because those sentences look pretty darn related. It was at the very least extremely poor wording on your part.

Besides, even if I let you off the hook, you still lost that point of the argument since you're now forced to admit that the only fake complaints will be from obvious trolls. Either way, you lose. *shrug*

I don't believe that for a single minute. The second sentence is a direct continuation of the first. You know it, I know it and anyone that can read English knows it.

That's demonstrably false. Here's the exact quote:


The quote you were responding to begins with "as for fake complaints" and you used the phrase "joe job", so how can you claim that you were talking about *real* complaints?

I've been a member of these forums slightly longer than you have so I'm more than aware of people's reputations. The fact that he's a competitor and being so critical was the first red flag. The second red flag was coming up with ridiculous theories like, "The real problem is when you have established/trusted members of the forum [falsely] complaining, your reputation is toast." which makes absolutely no sense and seems like a very trollish thing to say. First of all, why would trusted forum members do that? Conspiracy? Second of all, that applies to any business. A bunch of trusted members could start claiming that Mt Gox ripped them off. It's completely irrelevant and doesn't belong in a serious discussion. He's either making a fallacious argument because he doesn't know any better or because he's trolling. I'm not frowning on his experience. I'm frowning on his conduct, making inappropriate comments like above, being condescending and sarcastic when I've been nothing but straightforward. So, yes, if you can't see that then you may be biased. If he had contacted me in private first or made a thread without criticizing me personally (the amateur remark definitely crosses the line) then I would have nothing but thanks for him. I'm sorry if I take my reputation a little too seriously but that's all I have to go on and when people start making long rants that could be interpreted poorly by potential clients, I feel the need to respond.

Good. I don't need "help" that's dripping with sarcasm and presumptions.

Thanks, that will work.

Profit isn't the only possible motive. Pride, arrogance, pedantry, etc are just as motivating. Anyways, if you really want to know how you can help me then you can stop trolling my threads. If you want to warn people of something, start your own thread and leave my business out of it.

If you can prove that you have access to that website, placing a text file that says "bitcoin2cash", sending me an email from that domain or something like that then I'll allow it. Otherwise, it will just encourage people to look for other people to create accounts for.

I appreciate that but unfortunately I also have no way of verifying it.

It should be fixed now.

Remember, if you didn't create your forum account before the time this thread was created then you aren't eligible. I'm sorry but I have to do this to deter the same people from creating multiple accounts.