Please find the escrow details below and move your queries to tntcoin thread instead of asking on tntswap:
Escrow option:
Finalize the escrow the buyer want to use ( only trusted escrow service will be accepted )===> inform us how many coins u want to buy ==> we will send the coins to escrow and buyer will send the BTC to Escrow===> Escrow will hold the fund equal to 1$/coin for 3 to 6 months. ( If the buyer want to sell back the coin they can contact escrow for the same and get back the funds by giving back the coins he bought and stake generated)
Note: Only buy coin using escrow. Else don't buy at all.
Why do you need to refund the stake generated? I though every coin was worth $1? What is the point of staking the coins if they devalue all the coins I bought originally (that question seems oddly like the reason that all POS coins are really a different POS). |
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They aren't worried about some nefarious hacker breaking in and stealing everyone's coins, they are worried about you disappearing with all the coins.
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Money Line is a sports bet in which the Name of the person or Team just has to "Win" outright, no points involved, JUST WIN!  and if a team were to tie or draw with a money line bet, the bet will be graded as a push and you will receive your bet back. Are you sure when match draw,my bet will be push or refunded my bet? Where you bet and got refunded bet when you bet money line and match draw you bet will refunded? It depends on the sport and the specific bet type and the casino. I don't bet much on sports that can have draws, but a good rule of thumb (not 100%, check before using money) is that if the area you are placing the bet has an option to bet on a draw, draws will NOT be graded as a push. You will probably get better odds on those 3 way bets fro a team winning to make up for that, but double check before you make the bet. |
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https://hashtalk.ch/topic/37911/good-bye-for-now
Good Bye.....For NowMrCEOIt’s time to say good-bye. Good-bye to Paycoin and to the “leaders” of what can only be described as the now “tainted” Paycoin. While saying good bye is the end of involvement in the management of Paycoin, it’s NOT goodbye to Paycoin loyalists and investors. Sadly, since the hijacking, extortion and subsequent theft of all the Paycoin controllers, the strength and value of Paycoin has only gone one place: down. It’s been weakened. Terribly. Since the end of January / beginning of February the value has one from well over $1.00, closer to $2.00 to just over $0.10. Wow. I haven’t been involved in Paycoin, at all, in about a month…maybe longer. The hijacking and subsequent extortion of Paycoin was done with the intent of decentralizing the coin. Not a bad intention, something had I been involved, would have agreed. But if one were to look now, the Paycoin Foundation is managing all the Paycoin Prime Controllers. How did that happen? How did they end up with just about all of them? Where is the “paper trail” that legitimizes their possession? Does anyone that is standing by this really care? (Asked rhetorically). I guess to some, apparently many, this is a version of being decentralized being managed by a single entity. But the “advocates” are good with that. Defies logic. Today’s Paycoin is akin to blood diamonds (save for the lives lost), stolen from their rightful owners…investors, GAW and others. This method of operation has been extended to Mineral, which has also been hijacked…stolen by a “trusted” member of the community. And there was a requested vote by the thief as to what to do with Mineral. Imagine voting on what to do with the millions of dollars in jewelry obtained by the Pink Panthers. Who does that? People with zero integrity. People with no boundaries. There is no integrity whatsoever in Paycoin in its current state. None. And what of those former employees of GAW who now are involved? None. I’ve been called a scammer. A fraud. And so much more. My family threatened. Violated in ways unimaginable. But many are good with that…mostly a former senior manager and interim CEO at GAW who trolled us, then joined us, stood next to us and then aided those that stole from us. But it’s all good, as many wish to stand next these folks. Have at it. If I were a scammer, a fraud, do you really think I would stick around and subject myself to the abuse as I have? Put my family through it? Trying to salvage something that I hoped would be a game changer? Something that could help change the way we conduct business both personally and commercially? These are questions I am sure many are afraid to ask, as the truth is obvious but hard to admit. For many involved in this underhandedness it would appear that being right is way more important for those individuals than being happy; happiness clearly eludes them. Whether wrong or right in what was alleged, it seems there is a consensus that feels by doing wrong will make all things right. That NEVER happens. In fact, they are doing the same things as has been alleged that GAW did. As I said earlier, Paycoin is tainted like blood diamonds. Led by hypocrites. I have stayed in this, as I have wanted to make things right for the investors of Paycoin as well as those that have stood by us…by me. And I will continue to do that, however I can. My goal…our goal was to foster adoption and utility of cryptocurrencies. The intention of Paycoin was just that. And I will continue towards fulfilling that goal. I continue to look for way to make it right for our investors. But not everyone will be happy. I / we will try and do the best we can towards that end. I am not abandoning Paycoin, but going forward will have nothing to do with the leadership of Paycoin. I haven’t in over a month. And it’s just been in a downward spiral since being hijacked, stolen and extorted. Perhaps that has to do with fact that these “leaders” simply don’t have the collective brainpower to realize the mission…the vision that was seen and started by others than themselves. That usually happens; when the vision or idea of another is stolen, the thieves are typically not successful in making those plans come to fruition. That seems to be happening with Paycoin. All that said, I can not keep a single investor interested in Paycoin initiatives. They know my background, but as soon as they learn of the leaders, prime controllers, and a community that seems to largely be ok with stuff like this happening, They don’t want to risk their investment being taken from a “community” leader to only find the community be largely ok with it. Honestly, I cant blame them. The funding was pulled from Paybase Redux, all the beta customers have been refunded. I have paid for CoinStand two times once to Adam, then to Phil. Two times is one too many. I can not speak to coin card with any authority, but that seems to still be on track. I have no good news to report today, just the truth. All hope is not gone. We have been diligently working with a firm to take back what was taken. This would restore investor confidence and get things moving again. So for now, it has to be the focus. Some interesting times are ahead. So has anyone answered Joshypoo's question yet? If I were a scammer, a fraud, do you really think I would stick around and subject myself to the abuse as I have? Put my family through it? Trying to salvage something that I hoped would be a game changer?Ummm??? The answer is YES Josh you would and the reason you took that risk is because you are an uneducated, illiterate yokel with few redeeming skills... so you subjected yourself and them to this abuse to collect on the one and only payday you have ever had and likely will have so yes you would subject anyone you had to subject to the abuse to collect on your scam! You may thank me now for answering your question... But hey I have been trying to answer your question since October! He stuck around because you can shear a sheep many times but you can only eat it once. Once people stopped falling for his scams, he said goodbye, what's a little online abuse if it allows you to dump more coins and come up with more shady deals to get people to give you money. |
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if you checked out the podcast Mr. Madore posted: Mr. Shinners listed 8.5 mil for the lawsuit their group is pursuing (at around 300-400 participants)
anyone conned should just give up at this point and join such groups imo
No one doing this should give any money to these lawyers or get their hopes up. It's going to be very difficult to get any of the money that hasn't already been spent. I think you would have a better chance of success by investing in time travel to go back in time and stop yourself from investing than getting money out of GAW. Spent on what? The numbers simply do not add up. EDIT: This exact message is being sent to plaintiffs involved in the suit by Homero. It would seem that your echoing of his same words and message is quite suspect. Spent on Jets and hotels and bodyguards and laundered away from where anyone could get them. And yes, I, the guy who has said this was bullshit from the beginning is much more suspect than the guy who was CEO of this shithole company. Fuck off. People already wasted a bunch of money on false promises from Garza, GAW, and you, no reason to throw more at lawyers when there's such a small possibility of getting anything back. |
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My account is locked as well, appears the Authy bill was not paid. what is the point of 2FA? every site that has used it has been been "hacked" and coins stolen usually as an inside job. seem to just be a convenient way to stop customers withdrawing on demand  It works well on legitimate services. But when the guy at the other end is a scumbag with complete access to the coins/your funds, it's usually just an annoyance. It will stop another user from withdrawing your funds, but it doesn't do anything to stop the website from getting robbed, stealing from you. |
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How do you know their funds are coming out of Bitmixer ? AFAIK, Bitmixer does not have any fixed mixer address !!! Moreover, CMW have explained multiple times in the thread why their payment do not come from mining address. They even mentioned it in their FAQ ( www.cloudmining.website/faq.php - Q2 - Point iv). It seems that in an effort to malign a legit service that is paying for seven months now, you are trying to bring in hypothetical allegations. This is cheap... That reason is horseshit. If that was somehow true, they could still show proof that they control an address that has fresh coins. |
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if you checked out the podcast Mr. Madore posted: Mr. Shinners listed 8.5 mil for the lawsuit their group is pursuing (at around 300-400 participants)
anyone conned should just give up at this point and join such groups imo
No one doing this should give any money to these lawyers or get their hopes up. It's going to be very difficult to get any of the money that hasn't already been spent. I think you would have a better chance of success by investing in time travel to go back in time and stop yourself from investing than getting money out of GAW. |
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So whats the point then, cause most wont ever have a good enough bankroll to do this.
I know you need more then 1 btc like way more to work with.
Its not about the Bankroll, heck you can even win 1 BTC with a bankroll of .04btc if you get pretty lucky. IMO Bankroll doesn't increase your chance of winning The bigger the bankroll the smaller the chance of your system failing because you run out of money. |
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It is incredible that even after paying every week on time for seven months continuously, people still dare to question their authenticity. Even more incredible that people can't see the difference between paying and mining. |
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I'm not sure if they're taking new deposits, but the dust payouts have prevented his customer/marks from pressing charges so far, so why stop now?
If that leads to some new jabroni putting in a fresh deposit even better for him.
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I gave up on btcjam after both paycoin and ltcgear happened in the same 1-week span. I have about 12 deadbeat loans on there now that I know will never get paid back. Too damn many scams.
Why would you loan someone money that they told you they were investing in those operations? You take all of the risk if that thing is a scam with less of the reward if it isn't. |
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I don't understand. I mean Garza is broke, why is this person still shilling? On the other hand, they will never get back reputation in the community, so I guess s/he is just trolling at this point Shill or idiot, she has a lot of xpy and needs either Josh to be legit or convince someone else to take the bag that she's holding to get whole. |
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Very risky business for miningsweden. In 6 months there will be much more efficient miner entering the market, which will immediately push existing 28nm miners into negative return. In bitcoin mining, if you can not get ROI in 6 months, you will never ROI. When the electricity cost becomes higher than the mining income, the miner will become a paper weight
It's not risky business for them because they get other people to give them cash up front for the miners so they lose all the risk. |
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@Paul Revere, In answer to a much earlier question, before the bitcointalk outage, over 800,000 coins release in June from stakers.
Will these coins actually be released? who is left to release them? Or are they sitting in a prime controller that's been "stolen" or is "being managed" by one of the other crooks. Supposedly these are coming from the #1 address and associated addresses controlled by one of Josh's hand picked groups of crooks. No word on how many of the Hashtakers are actually Josh's Smurf accounts, but the real lack of increase in major dumpage after the previous Hashtaker expirations makes me think that perhaps Josh was funneling a lot XPY to himself through Hashtakers. This would also explain his claims of "Hashtaker owner's" being responsible for most dumpage if he was feeding himself XPY that way. What I know for sure is that the same pattern of shuffling and sending to exchanges that was used when huge dumps were called by Josh and implemented by Joe (that were exposed in the Emails as being dumps) look EXACTLY the same on the Blockchain (Shuffle- Cryptsy) as the huge amounts that are now being called "Hashtaker Payouts" by this exact same gang of crooks who are totally not Josh associated now. That's not even what I'm talking about, but probably a whole other ball of wax to fuck people over with. Where are the coins that flyingplows above (sorry man,) and the other legitimate hashtaker owners "put" in the hashtakers? Are they sitting in a prime controller? Who "controls" or "manages" that one now? Are they in some other wallet staking at a different rate set to automatically be returned to owners on a certain date (would anyone trust GAW to not fuck that up)? Are they sitting in some wallet that requires one of the geniuses in this saga to push a button to send them out (and what incentive do they have to do that now that the shit has hit the fan)? One correction: The hashstaker coins and zencloud are not in anyway related to or held by prime controllers. It is a common misconception. Payouts for all stakers are from a reserve pool of coins being used for that purpose. Who controls this pool, who will give them back, and why should anyone trust that person to not put them in a prime controller to get more coins for themselves or trust them to actually give them back when the time comes? |
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There are still a few morons on hashtalk who think that it makes sense to hold their paycoins, because "Team XPY" or some other entity is going to develop "features". I don't even feel sorry for them anymore. I think they should invest more of their money into Team XPY and their awesome new devteam  I used to worry about these peoople. But now I don't even care if these idiots lose their jobs, spouses and homes. Everyone who still believes anything good can come out of Paycoin at this point deserves what they're getting. Edit: And for the shills such as Vik/Badbitcoin, who probably caused other people to suffer, I hope they will lose as much money as possible. Anyone ignoring the fact that the whole charade is built on a house of lies is either so stupid that they would lose all their money or in on the scam. They wait for the guys who gave themselves millions of free coins to make "features" that will not do anything because the crooks either have coins to dump when the price goes up or no coins and no incentive to actually do anything. Why bother with a coin when so many coins are in the hands of so many scumbags? Any progress will be stunted by these crooks who can dump whenever they want to. |
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Hmm, well judging by the amount of evidence it seems like he ran Ponzi scheme miners, then launched a Coin and said there was a 100 million CAF fund but there wasn't. The Coin itself was significantly premined to inflate only to certain addresses and used that to sell into the market in order to raise funds for adoption instead of the CAF fund buywall thing. This amount of selling then causes downward pressure on the price since all funding is coming from future investors and blaming others all the while he bought a bunch of cars with it (and later on couldn't afford the payments), lived a lavish lifestyle, from investors funds.
Where is the money coming from in which he paid for CoinStand? Was that money from remember hashlets? Uncle Stu? Anonymous investors? Why were previous bills of excessive amounts not paid?
What about the mass banning on the forums whereby anyone who didn't agree were banned? Shifting blame to others, crying when it all comes crashing down. The hyper inflating wallets and the way it's implemented is a bad idea because the keys can be leaked or stolen, the idea itself is flawed and a major security risk. All security seems to have been really bad as well, he let everyone else hold onto the keys as collateral for investment and pretty much everything got hacked in response to him banning so many people.
Please, disagree.
Didn't Josh admit that he dumped coins to pay for coinstand? A user sent him 50 paycoins for $1k worth of stuff from amazon, he sold a billion to get $1k and buy the stuff. |
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@Paul Revere, In answer to a much earlier question, before the bitcointalk outage, over 800,000 coins release in June from stakers.
Will these coins actually be released? who is left to release them? Or are they sitting in a prime controller that's been "stolen" or is "being managed" by one of the other crooks. Supposedly these are coming from the #1 address and associated addresses controlled by one of Josh's hand picked groups of crooks. No word on how many of the Hashtakers are actually Josh's Smurf accounts, but the real lack of increase in major dumpage after the previous Hashtaker expirations makes me think that perhaps Josh was funneling a lot XPY to himself through Hashtakers. This would also explain his claims of "Hashtaker owner's" being responsible for most dumpage if he was feeding himself XPY that way. What I know for sure is that the same pattern of shuffling and sending to exchanges that was used when huge dumps were called by Josh and implemented by Joe (that were exposed in the Emails as being dumps) look EXACTLY the same on the Blockchain (Shuffle- Cryptsy) as the huge amounts that are now being called "Hashtaker Payouts" by this exact same gang of crooks who are totally not Josh associated now. That's not even what I'm talking about, but probably a whole other ball of wax to fuck people over with. Where are the coins that flyingplows above (sorry man,) and the other legitimate hashtaker owners "put" in the hashtakers? Are they sitting in a prime controller? Who "controls" or "manages" that one now? Are they in some other wallet staking at a different rate set to automatically be returned to owners on a certain date (would anyone trust GAW to not fuck that up)? Are they sitting in some wallet that requires one of the geniuses in this saga to push a button to send them out (and what incentive do they have to do that now that the shit has hit the fan)? |
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@Paul Revere, In answer to a much earlier question, before the bitcointalk outage, over 800,000 coins release in June from stakers.
Will these coins actually be released? who is left to release them? Or are they sitting in a prime controller that's been "stolen" or is "being managed" by one of the other crooks. |
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I'm really still confused about it
some people say u should have a big bankroll , and others say you need infinite bankroll
I heard about large streaks which I guess no one can pass it without literally infinite bankroll
I guess martinagle is proving the fail everyday
If you don't have an infinite bankroll (and no betting limits), eventually you can hit a losing streak so big that you can't afford to make the next bet, or the casino won't let you make the next bet because the limit is too high. If you have an infinite bankroll, there's no reason to bet at all. |
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