Genuine traders also need to be wise and go along with the so called whales who has taken advantage of what cryptocurrency really stand for and honestly speaking, I can’t wait for cryptocurrency (Bitcoin) to really develop to its fullest where these whales will become very irrelevant because I see this strictly as stealing from the less privilege by taken advantage of their emotion, you might think its smartness, I see it as madness.

If they were strong enough, they would have played their game without having to manipulate, invest genuinely like every other genuine investor and stop crashing the system built unnecessarily.

Satoshi built this system strictly for payment purpose, it ought to have gained more recognition than it does now, but slow because of the actions of these whales who are scaring prospective investors in putting in money for payment or store value as they could get less value than what they budget for when it gets to the wallet.

The objective of Bitcoin is far from competing with banks; it is just to create an alternative means of making payment without the involvement of third party as it is done in centralized market system.

They both need each other, I believe you need fiat to be able to get cryptocurrency and without bank, you may not succeed in having fiat or changing fiat to crypto, so Bitcoinmight not necessarily replace banking system completely but will gain more relevance as regards payment system and investment. Many people storing their funds in banks will no longer do so because they earn better profits when store in Bitcoin to bank.

I believe that most BTC users are its loyalist and apart from its investment benefit which we should not be strictly looking at most times like the OP said, the technology it brought has really assisted a lot of its users in meeting up to payment requirements that they fee its absolutely impossible.

So many people has been freed from the bondage they have been under other payments systems such as Paypal and co, this tech alone is more than enough to keep bitcoin going for life and as we focus more on the solution BTC brings to the Financial Institutions, other benefits will follow such as the one we are all crazy about now (for investment and store of value).

The pending order advise is just for their own personal interest too, you know they have already cash out the ones they have profited on, now it’s time for them to reinvest, but they can only do that when the price of BTC is low and that is why they would do anything to create FUD that would make investors panic sell their coins so that the market can drop, but sooner or later, they will realize that value is not possible as you said because many holders will continue to hold their coins against all odds, till bitcoin perform its best to reach its ATH again.

For the $80000 prediction, it’s still possible to achieve but not immediately.

20,000 BTC is $80,000,000 as at the time the short bull run came which probably op approximated to $100,000,000, to us, it looks very big, to some, this is just a token compared to what they have stored in their traditional bank, there are so many musicians that are worth more than $500,000,000 not to talk of some very great business men that we have, do you know the total market cap of gold  will swallow that of Bitcoin like 70x, these are still owned by people.

So, a man with $500,000,000 in his account might decide to save 20% of it in a bitcoin wallet for future purpose, does that mean he is a whale or the money is meant for a manipulation?

This would have been a very great tips, which it is still a great tip if scammers had not already blocked these tips, as you are giving tips on how to know a good project, scammers too are using that tip to better their way of scamming, that is why you see that most victims of these scams have already done all this you mentioned and yet still get scammed.

These tips will not be enough to get ICO up and running again, exchanges introduced the use of IEO, now the exchanges themselves are now even the scammers, they deny other investors of getting access to the project listed by first creating a minimum amount that will be too high for an investors who already have already invested with lots of fund in other projects and also those who would not have such amount of money to do so.

Which side are you mate ? Because, I don’t seem to get you, are you for Bitcoin or against Bitcoin? How will the people filling their pocket with bitcoin still shouting a prediction of $1000 or less, what would they stand to gain, if you say the have filled their pocket with BTC, then they must have filled it when the price was way above $2500, so I don’t see the sense in them predicting a further decline for it if they have accumulated more.

MCafee, whether he is promoting his own coin or not, the most important thing is that whatever positive thing they still say has so much effect on BTC, they have believer and loyalist who would believe anything they say and I believe that whatever mcafee predicted must have created FOMO in one or 2 persons that made them invest.

It is just a wishful thinking I guess. Lol which is not bad, just like we use to say, anything is possible provided it’s a positive one, what I just use to advise most people is that, we can wish it outside but deep inside of us, we need to learn to be realistic.

Bitcoin will perform greatly this year and other years to come, but for this year, what I expect Bitcoin would do is to get close to the ATH of last bull or a little bit above it but to say its $150k, nah. The OP is even more realistic, at least by 2023, I know Bitcoin will surprise lots of people and there will be so much of FOMO that time pushing people into investment that will in turn generate such huge value.

Well, any prayer they made for something that will benefit them is still made to their creator and I am sure many of us are praying for it and not to it. Anything is possible with GOD; he might decide to make an investor pump in $20 billion at once lol.

But, come to think of it, it actually requires prayer because it’s an investment and some investments are very huge in capital and we could only but pray for our investment not to go down the drain and I think this prayer already got answered from the beginning of this month, when BTC price stared shooting so high and I believe that this will continue in the main time.

You only quoted the months it takes some ICOs to distribute tokens but you forgot to add the years its taking some tokens distributed to enter an exchange, I have so many tokens that has been over a year old and still refused to enter exchange, I really don’t know what they are waiting for, at first, I tried consoling myself and believing in my assumption that they were waiting for the bull market, the bull market is out now and I have still not seen any move.

ICO project now are not so profitable like you said, though we still have few of them that are good among large ones that are bad, now the challenge is this, because of time factors, you cannot research on all ICO and making findings on them, you can only research on the ones you are privileged to come across which virtually may not be project worth it, do you now stay away from them till you get one and even if you eventually get a very good one, what is the probability of getting much from them?

Oh my goodness, you won’t believe that has an holder, I didn’t remember I have coss until now that you mentioned it, this may be the reason why they are not gaining popularity because they are not doing their work very well, I don’t even think I have ever come across their name in this forum until now, this might be the first time I am reading about them here.

I need to check mine to see if I have something on it already, well we may have other holders here too. We can assist in creating news pump for it because honestly, I don’t know many things about coss again; I hope that I still remember my password too.

Well, I do not expect anything less from you, you are a very good EVX helping them to promote their product but your write-up is not enough to convince me as I have seen this similar words severally from people promoting their coins and I ended up getting scammed.

So, if I am to consider your suggested coin, I will have to do through research about them by looking through their whitepaper or better still, complete the job by convincing us more other than the price you mention, we need to know about their product, their future plans and how far they have gone, then I can consider using your referral link in case you are given any.

$100 million dollars investment may not be termed as manipulation, we have so many people in this planet that are filthy rich and can even invest up to $500 million dollars in a single investment, it could have been coordinated in more than 1 exchange because each exchange also have limit to which they allow too at once.

Imagine we have about 1000 of these people who would choose Bitcoin as the safest way to keep their money anonymous without any intention of dumping it, what do you think will happen ?

No matter the amount of dumping from our small investment, it will have no major effect on the value of BTC. Whales buy more than 20000 BTC at ones, the recent spike that happens made the total Market cap witness extra $21 billion dollars wherein Bitcoin holds more that 60% of it, you can now see that that amount is quite small to be associated with manipulation.

Anyone that doesn’t have knowledge and strategy to trade, it’s better for them to stay away from it. Trading is not meant for everyone , if you can’t trade , there are lots of other things that you can also do to make money through cryptocurrency. But, if you insist that trading is what you have to do, then you should take every time in studying it and also learning about crypto itself to be sure of how everything works.

I believe that capital is very important and that reminds that there are people who don’t have money, but because they think that they can go all in with the little money they have and withdraw big money within a short while, they decide to risk everything and at the end they will end up losing every money they have. It just doesn’t work like that.

Anyone that wants to be an investor/trader must first make money from a regular non-risky business and after they have made enough money, they can take a little percentage and trade with it.

Most times, I don’t pay attention to those antagonist, is it not there lost now, I don’t live my life on people’s opinion, so whatever they say doesn’t even affect my decision about my investment, although some of these antagonism act are just away to create panic sell which is usually done mostly by whales, you know some of them would want the price to fall because of FOMO, so they can be part of the low price, but it is just one thing that they have failed to understand, that the market is still at neutral where they can still get in and still be able to have so much profit depending on how much they are willing to invest in.

Bitcoin will continue to perform this magic and they better get caught up with it before it becomes too late.

Ethereum classis is hunting for new ideas ? Sounds greater and I believe still it is not too late to compete against their own sibling eth and other similar platforms like tron and eos. Or, this will be focussing only for new project and not about self upgrading of etc ?

Really ? I believe something must have been attached to getting this money, because I have seen a lot of platform trying to give out loan to start up companies which I have applied for a couple of times, but at the end of everything they always demand for things that you might not be able to provide, this is the main reason I gave up on platforms that issue loan to blockchain startup because it seems as though they already have those that merit this startup.

This is because I don't really understand what you are trying to talk about, are you asking us if we want to startup our own masternode coin or are you asking if we want to setup a masternode because what I can see from your topic is that you are asking if we want to create our own masternode coin which doesn't even make any sense, I think you should change the name of your topic and you will definitely get people who would reply.

You may choose your own coin from here https://masternodes.online for masternode based staking but I am not seeing it as a good thing as people are heavily dumping their MN rewards rather than setting up another MN node. You may lose your capital rather than recovering it. This was the exact thing happened to me with CDM coin MN set up.

Sometimes, news work and sometimes it doesn’t, all we see in news are all speculation and some of them will surely coincide with the reality, although when it comes to development that will be based on cryptocurrency, they sure have a very long role to play in the price because these are what help people make decision in their investment plan.

The very important tool is our technical analysis and can only be helpful for daily prediction or short term prediction. For a very long term investment, they will have no choice than still to believe in news and learn to spread more of the positive ones.

Are you certain of this mate ? I am just asking so as to know what to do to my portfolio and be sure that my 96 different coins that has been in one of my portfolio has not already turned to shitcoins because I can’t seems to see any increase in most of the altcoins that I am holding except Bitcoin and ethereum, all of my other altcoins are still the way they are and I am surprised to see that you mentioned an increase from 50% to as high as 1000%, is there anything that I am missing out ?

I know bitcoin is already preparing to drag some altcoins we have up and not those ones being pump internally through manipulation, and I am still waiting for my coins to legally pump.

I think the people who over exxegerate everything. Like bitcoin going from 3800 dollars to 4000 dollars ? All of a sudden its "IS BITCOIN GOING TO 100 THOUSAND DOLLARS" , man calm down it just went up 200 bucks, that happens all the time or the same when its going down like from 4000 to 3800 and you check the posts here and they are all like "IS BITCOIN DYING FINALLY" or something.

Those people really annoy me the most, just because there is a %5-10 change doesn't really mean bitcoin is either going to skyrocket or going to shit, none of that will happen, it is just a daily move and it happens and just move on with it. Same people do that to companies too, a company giving a decent reward? "BEST BUSINESS IN THE WHOLE WORLD", they are late to reply to your support for couple of hours? "THIS IS A SCAMMER COMPANY", like we get it you are impatient but try to calm down a bit.