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521  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Altcoin prices now the real price? on: September 20, 2018, 04:33:00 PM
I think this isn't fully because of the bitcoin price that are dropping.
There are many things that cause the price of altcoin dropping, some of them is because of panic selling from the token holder that are afraid on loosing too much if the keep on holding their altcoins.
Bitcoin price has a lot of things to do with the altcoin price at the moment. A whole lot of them have hit their bottom, we can see some bullish divergence on most of them and then we can even see some already trying to make some solid attempt and as far as I am concerned, the only way they can easily start getting flooded with new money is if the btc market tends to move sideways for a while which is what I am going to be expecting in coming weeks anyway, but nothing is guarantee, because a quick move downward for bitcoin can easily affect the rest of the altcoins.

You need to look at BTC so alts cnat be higher ,but as we see BTC keeps higher 6300 -6200 and alts keep thier prices too and i hope and think we would see bull soon.
Well, it is a good thing you said HOPE! So far, the only way we may be able to get to see the altcoins doing much in price is to see bitcoin really doing some good bounce to the upper side and then consolidating sideways for a while even though it might end up not moving up much. The altcoins are actually looking for a way to bounce and so far they seem suppressed by bitcoin movement and because of that, smart moneys are not ready to start participating.
522  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is market going back up to 8k? on: September 20, 2018, 02:26:41 PM
In my own point of view, There is a low chance that btc can recover and back again to $8000 late this year and will continue until next year.
Anything can happen. Surely, we can breakout from the falling wedge upward and do some quick short term uptrend and then followed immediately by the continuation of the correction. It is the market, and anything can certainly happen. On the other way round, we could just end up going lower as the case may be, but whatever it is, only time will tell us where the direction would really tend towards anyway. So, at this point, I would say, we just chill and wait to see how things would pan out.

we must be patient, I'm sure bitcoin will return at least 10000 $ this year,
hopefully October will be bullrun for bitcoin and altcoin
Bull run is a term that is overstated when it comes to the situation of the market, and a short term uptrend should never be considered as a bull run. If you want to classify a market as a bull run, use what happened towards the end of last year as a bull run and I really do not see that happening that much this year anyway. No one certainly knows what the price of the market would be like, but as time goes on, we will know if market trend changes or not.
523  Economy / Speculation / Re: Settled at ~$6400 for now? on: September 20, 2018, 09:26:38 AM
10 days at a price when some volatility is exist means there will be some steep move soon.
İ expect in a few hours to days a move to up or down but market need move just look at history of it.
By the way dont think that news will affect anything.
Everything simply is for now, considering the nature of the market generally. Bitcoin has been holding up after the bounce from the $6k region again and that kept ushering in some hope to the space, but we do not need to forget that we are still in a bear market and bears can still strike at any time they want to. As it is we are still in a downtrend wedge and to what side we break out to, is what will determine how far the market is going to go.

I think that the price will be little bit grow till the end of this year. I also want big pump in the price because nobody saw this for long time. I want some profit before quitting and investing in some regular business.
Like most other people and you, I am also expecting price will not settle here on $6400 range for ever and it may break into the upper side and may reach $8500 to $9800 at any time. This may not be possible to happen with in this September but will happen before end of October and $$15k to $25k may happen before end of this year. Keep your hope up to continue your regular business Smiley.
524  Economy / Speculation / Re: What happened to this 'easy 10k'? on: September 20, 2018, 07:48:09 AM
Many people are too ambitious with the news unclear about the truth, we see that the reality is that reaching $ 8,000 is very difficult, moreover, $ 10k is not very easy to reach the end of this year, and the price is now stuck in silence at $ 6500 whether this will last until ahead, I still think for that

yes, I agree with you partly, but you forgot about the volatility of this market, sometimes one good news is made and the price can suddenly rise couple times.
Well, there has been a lot of good news lately and I have not really seen much of a movement in price due to that. Yes, sometimes, news can be related to the movement of the market, but it also has a lot to do with the condition of the market at that particular point in time. During bear markets, bad news tends to make impact faster, and during bull trends, good news tend to make impact faster as well. There is nothing easy when it comes to movement of a market as it takes time.

It will not immediately surpass the value of $10k because we are in the bear market, just keep on holding your coins and have more patience in order to avoid selling at the lowest price.
One thing a lot of people do not understand is that market takes time to develop and it is not like the market will just start moving up instantly and nonstop. As long as you can have the patience, buy the dips and wait for it, you will have no problem and that depends on whether the trend at the moment permits it. People who sell at lower prices than what they bought are usually the ones who expect so much from the market in the short term.
525  Economy / Speculation / Re: The reason why it is stable on: September 20, 2018, 05:29:01 AM
I guess the reason why bitcoin has a stable price is because miners are mining sometimes or even stop mining at all. The supply of coins freeze and the price would definitely freeze to. Correct me if im wrong but i really believe mining and the price are linked. If one stop moving then the other one will follow.
It is stable because it doesn't move hourly, give it some time. Bitcoin doesn't move for weeks and than moves 10% in an hour quickly, it is not a constantly moving price deal, it moves maybe 5% at max a day but normally if you are expecting 15% or something that doesn't happen every day.

If you think moving 5% a day is stable than when you get stocks that moves 0.1% a day most of the time than you will go crazy. It is said that if you miss out on 20 days in the past 20 years of stock market movements you are missing out making profit, just the most profitable 20 days of stock markets make it profitable to be invested for the past 20 years, if you miss those days, you might as well never invested.
526  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What Is Your Worst Moment in Gambling? on: September 19, 2018, 04:39:31 PM
Yes, it is the greed which make us loss in gambling. I remember a few months ago, i played dice and was winning together few consecutive wins. I was playing with a strategy and keep on investing slowly. Just than greed came in and i invested all my profit at once and lost that on a single dice game.
Anyways that was part of the game as there are many good moments in gambling too. It is a game where you will enjoy both the moods, Good and Bad, depending on the luck.
It is not greed that would make you lose as losing is generally a part of the game already. Greed on the other hand is just an attribute that would make you get burned and lose everything that you have. A lot of people get so greedy, that they let their emotions control them, they want to keep winning after winning a whole lot already or they just want to keep pushing their luck to see if they could recover all they have lost one way or the other. This is the reason why greedy people often end up becoming addicts.

Luckily, I ended up doubling my coins on that accidental max bet. This happens for players when they are playing too much on manual. That might be the reason some popular casinos removed the max bet option recently. 
You really want to count yourself extremely lucky in such a case as it could have always been the other way round. My worst moment was not setting limit on an auto roll and then I had these long streaks of losses that almost left my account with nothing or just some tiny piece of funds left since the next bet could not pick it up. It was a silly mistake which I really regretted but even if I go back to gambling today, that is one mistake I will never ever make when it comes to gambling online.
527  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2019 NBA Pre-Season on: September 19, 2018, 03:54:39 PM
Have you guys watched the training video from lakers twitter ?
It seems like lakers have build a team that has proper players on great positions with each teaching the youngsters how to play maybe except at center position where its just mcgee at this point but lakers knows that centers are now "tall PF" type players.

We all talk about how lebron came to lakers and expects to get at least one more ring in 1-2 years and spending this year as just waiting period for next years FA however lakers are getting something out of this, they are getting lebron to teach young players to play like him. A great master teaching a student type deal.
528  Economy / Speculation / Re: Big pop up again on: September 19, 2018, 03:16:50 PM
As we approached sub $6k and actually hit $5.9k... we see another huge pump to $6400. Impressive, a $500 dollar move up just like that, on a single candle. Someone bought a pretty decent amount of coins.

The theory of how that $5k-6k price range is the diamond solid ground in which miners will never let bitcoin go below is shaping up. Governments want to take the price down and tank it so they can buy it all but someone (maybe rich miners and other whales) keep using that range as the reverse point. Let's see if it holds. We have touched this same point so many times that the theory might be right.

I believe that there will be a huge pop up again because most of the countries today are now legalize to invest on cryptocurrency since there is a huge pump last december before the year ends.
I wonder where you got that news from with most countries today legalizing cryptocurrency.
The adoption is going in great but just very few countries, have always been adamant to adopting cryptocurrency or even allowing it all and majority are not even saying anything but does not make it illegal, and few have also found a way to legalize and regulate it.

Now, pump or dump should not be a focus of a real believer or investor, they are just ways for some whales to scare the weak hands from the market, and with that, there will always be room for more growth as time goes on. We, the bitcoin community must keep faith and must remain calm in between time rather than listening into FUDs.

529  Economy / Speculation / Re: some of the reasons that made the bitcoin's price down on: September 19, 2018, 01:57:00 PM
In my own opinion, the biggest reason why bitcoins is dropping so hard is because of different price manipulators and people who are selling their coins at its lowest price due to fud.
There would not be so much manipulator in the market, if the market is not highly speculative, but I guess people will always want to have some to push the blame on. As long as people keep making decisions ignorantly and with their emotions, they will always fall a victim to those manipulations, and the idea is to drain them out and that is why a lot of people tag them as weak hands. The market skyrocketed last year, with fake demand, so I usually call it, so in that case, what else should anyone who is smart have expected from such movement?

maybe some of the reasons that make bitcoin prices fall right now are bad news that makes a lot of traders experience panic and make prices in the market collapse because there are so many people who sell their assets at very cheap prices.
Bad news are just part of every market and sure, they can have an impact, but the market is in a bear trend on its own, and the cause of the bear trend is something no one can pinpoint even though we try to push the whole blame on the manipulators, but one thing we do not understand is that if there is real life usage and some good level of mainstream adoption, then all these manipulations will subdue, but we just have to live with it as it is.
530  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: buy fast and sell fast on: September 19, 2018, 12:15:01 PM
If in trading apply fast trading strategy,
What obstacles are constraints
and weaknesses?
It's not an easy trading strategy because of a good knowledge of price action. Yes, if we can do buy fast and sell fast then it will be a nice work but there is a "But" behind this theory. Before doing that we should learn more and more trading methods. And our main weakness is, we don't give our time in learning.
Scalping generally was never meant to be easy which is why you need a lot of strategy and discipline to be able to scalp a market and without knowledge you will find it extremely difficult and end up losing so much as the end if you do not take care. Like you said, there is always going to be the necessity to learn as much as you can and be able to gain some confidence from practicing before even doing this. Scalping may be profitable, but the risk is also high in the same vein.

Especially in the Bitcoin trading you can not make everything fast if you want to make profit here then you must be making good decisions to proceed for everything after reviewing your decision few times more.
Yes, why we need to be fast at foremost ? It is not a game nor gambling, we need to be very much sure about what we are doing and double confirming everything will be must in order to be successful with trading. Hence, being fast is not at all a criteria in trading.
531  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is there any reason to day trade anything other than bitcoin? on: September 18, 2018, 03:53:39 PM
If we have purpose to increase amount of BTC we should trade that BTC with others altcoins, this way is risky so we should be carefull and make better prediction when time to buy and how many percentace of profit that we should be take it. We can see every day some altcoin become the biggest gainer. So trade BTC with others altcoin is way to increase BTC, and do not forget use stop loss to avoid big loss from altcoin crash.
People day trade for different reasons and some simply do not really look much into daytrading btc-fiat pair but would rather prefer to take advantage of the fluctuation with the altcoin market to increase their number of bitcoins. However, I understand what the OP is saying about day trading btc-fiat since the entire markets move accordingly with the way bitcoin moves, which is actually true, but that is in a downtrend, but we also have to understand that altcoins can move up faster sometimes to a great value compared to bitcoin.

I have seen a lot of coins that you can easily keep increasing your btc stash with without stress and for what it is worth, I have seen that when I used to day trade altcoins, I tend to see more potential in gaining much more than just daytrading bitcoin. The only difference here is that you still need to use bitcoin as an indicator most especially when it comes to it making a move downward or whatever condition it is that results to an unfavorable one for the alts, and that makes it a lot of additional work to do.
532  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2019 NBA Pre-Season on: September 18, 2018, 01:07:01 PM
Dirk is not playing because he needs money, neither vince. These dudes made a lot of money and thankfully not one of those people who go broke right after they retire, iverson was one of those people, he was broke right after he stopped playing. During these years iverson still doesn't have proper finances. Dirk and Vince is not like that they have a lot of money and they do not have to worry about money anymore, they can retire today and never have to work for money ever again.

Nevertheless, these guys are just basketball players, they do not have anything else on their minds and they do not know what to do when the game is over.
533  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How is ETH now? on: September 18, 2018, 11:34:30 AM
I was very optimistic about Ethereum but I'm seeing so many bad posts in social media lately. So I'm not that sure as much as before about price wise. Roll Eyes

One thing I'm sure about is they really need to take care of so many scam ICOs on their platform.
It seems like every thread now is all about Ethereum doing this and that just because of the bearish condition which simply is affecting every other market as well. It is normal to get to see bad news when the market is in a downtrend, as this is not the first time and we have seen it so many times before, so nothing new! Scam ICOs on the Ethereum platform to me is also not a serious or impactful thing considering that the same way there are scam ICOs, the same way there are successful ones.

I have no idea, but feels like buying more etherum. because I believe too much maybe I'm wrong.
If you believe in the long term potential of a project, then please buy more. People will always get to say whatever they feel like even out of ignorance. The best you can do for yourself is to at least get yourself equipped with very great knowledge on what you are investing in and that would make you to easily discard anything anyone says and would enable you to quickly detect bullshit. ETH may be in a downtrend state, but definitely won’t be for so long.
534  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is Bitcoin ready to pump (september 2018)? on: September 18, 2018, 08:45:25 AM
Due to the altcoin, Bitcoin still has not been able to get a full rise, because those new altcoins are drawing money from Bitcoin!
I think that's not the reason bitcoin hasn't increased because new altcoin has been born continuously since last year. If bitcoin was affected, it wouldn't set a record in December last year.
People are always bound to look for silly reasons as to why the bitcoin market is down. First and foremost, the whole market is down and altcoin in general have been far beaten to the ground with bitcoin gaining dominance by the day, which makes me wonder if some just do not like getting themselves aware of the things going on or they just simply prefer staying in a limbo.

A lot of traders and investors are actually looking forward to this period as it is and I will not be surprised looking at the way the market has been trying to gear up for days now. September could bring about some bullish movement, no one knows, but for me, I know in a good condition of btc holding strong, the altcoins will tend to do very well and that won't still stop bitcoin in anyway.

Although, with the way bitcoin is, there is a lot of uncertainty in the market to which direction bitcoin is going to be taking and that simply is affecting participation in alts as much as a lot of them wants to move and showing some good sign lately. As the coming weeks pan out, will determine if there would be anything serious at all before this month ends.
535  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: You cannot win in gambling on: September 17, 2018, 03:38:39 PM
Depends on what you mean by "winning". You can't win money if you play god of war neither but you will have fun if you like those sort of games or even in games like pubg or fortnite you probably can't "win" unless you are in esports or twitch because even if you win a round its still provides you with nothing of value (maybe some boxes you can sell).

Moreover, when it is about gambling people keep thinking that you can't "win" money, you do not have to win money, the point of casino was to have fun and entertain yourself and with a slight chance of winning money of course, if you gamble for fun and not for making money than you can "win".
536  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2019 NBA Pre-Season on: September 17, 2018, 02:47:44 PM
I think you guys are forgetting that the medical part of NBA improved 100 times since MJ times. Back than players played 40+ minutes per game, I remember iverson playing 43 minutes per game for a while and so forth. You can be the best player in the league but if you play over 40 minutes a game you are going to get injured one way or another.

Even lebron takes care of his body like no other, it is said that he spends 1 million dollars a year to maintain his body, trainers, chambers, cooks, dieticiens and many more stuff just to keep him lean and mean. Players who play until they are 40 now are much healtier and can play much better compared to 90's stars who played into their 40's because their body was not that much taken cared of.
537  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: CRYPTO IS NOT RULED BY PEOPLE ANYMORE on: September 17, 2018, 12:59:09 PM
i will wait until this end off year, i have positif think about crypto if ETF decision in this end of september bring new fresh money to market, holding some cheap token/coin like pundi x, storiqa and tron if you have less money and sell in november or december.
You guys should try to remove this ETF thing or that from your head. With or without ETF, this market has been moving the way it pleases, and I really do not see ETF changing that. The only thing we might end up seeing is market being pumped just to instigate some quick movement upward for positive news and won't change the fact that the bears will use that opportunity to strike back hard again and this time lower. That is something I may see playing out with this whole expectation when relating to the ETF.

The second reason mentioned by OP actually sounds somehow reasonable and realistic even though I have not really seen predicting the future as the thing to do at any point in time.

We had the craziest movement upward in which we are correcting and we are not done yet. We might still see some movement upward as there is no doubt about that, but I do not see it lasting before the bears will take back the market and simply drive it even more lower. At this point, some may have already lost hope and then we will see the market recovering again and bouncing to new ATHs.
538  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: how do you see the market? on: September 17, 2018, 11:01:17 AM
I want to confirm if this is really the coming back of Ethereum, for the past several months it wasn't easy but now I can see that the market is gradually changing from the bearish market to the bullish market. presently Eth is $223.84.
due to my past experience once it get's to $700 i will sell to regain my lost which i have lost all this while, do you think i should do so or hold on since is coming back gradually.
The key component on bear markets is the patient community. The more support a coin has and more patience the community has the less it drops. Of course, all currencies drop during a bear market but if there is a support that keeps hyping up a coin that they drop less than all others. I think the market will be going higher soon, or at least I know it will go up one day or another.

For us to make more and more profit for this, search for the coins that dropped the least during this last 10 months, if you find a coin with a decent volume trading and dropped less than all other coins, buy that coin, that will be the one who makes the most profit for you.
539  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why everyone becoming the holder? on: September 16, 2018, 04:11:34 PM
No offense, but I think holding coins at this bear market doesn't any sense. Why is everyone becoming the crypto holder? From the Legendary to a newbie, most of the people suggest to hold, But why? Yes, I know holding coin may give a bug rewards in future because I was a holder too. I had 15K USD, and my all of USD becomes less than 4K USD in front of my eyes. I just keep checking my wallet and every time my feelings were the same " sucks". Are you holding to be a millionaire like some people who bought bitcoin at 5 USD or less price and sold in more than 10K USD?
There is a very quite simple reason for this.
When you buy 1 X for 100 dollars and wait and that X worth now 1000 dollars, you sell the same 1 x for 900 dollar profit. However when you buy something for 1000 dollars for 1 x it needs to reach 1900 dollars for it to profit you 900 dollars.

Going from 100 to 1000 is harder because the marketcap and the demand supply needs to be way off and really high compared to when it was 100 dollars. Same logic applies here, when everything is small and low priced, people tend to buy as much as possible and hold, when they hold they believe that when the price goes back up, they have a shot at selling it for much higher.
540  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: ETH is $174. It is the bottom of the chart. on: September 16, 2018, 02:40:41 PM
You guys who worried about the price of ethereum do realize that ethereum is still second biggest crypto and the second highest hash rate amongst miners right? I mean I understand that ethereum dropped about tenfold in price and that is horrible for any coin however it is still amongst the most strong coins out there no matter what the price is.

I understand it went up because of the ICO deals but with no funds to manage people just happen to cash out from ethereum and that causes the price to drop which is totally expected during those ICO days but people never thought that there would be a 10 month long bear market when everything was going up.
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