Zgadzam się, na prawdę robimy co można, ale nie zawsze jest czas, a z drugiej strony, nie zawsze są chęci, kiedy rozmawiamy tu we dwóch lub trzech.

Przez bardzo długi czas pisałem sam do siebie, później nasi loakalsi oczywiście pomogli, ale bez świerzej krwi większość wątków skończy tak samo.

Ja oczywiście potaram się wrzucić jakąś predykcję co jakiś czas, jak na razie @Frangler dobrze mnie zastąpił i dzięki bardzo za to.

@Adamvp masz okazję się wykazać i swoją aktywnością zachęcić innych do dyskusji  .

I see that nothing changed from our latest discussion about the GOLD token price and like always, there are as many opinions as there are traders  .

Last time, I was also skeptical and after really in deep research and reading a few articles about the gold price, I have posted my bearish prediction.

Luckily there are people better than me and they were not afraid to post a bullish prediction, despite the chart looked not so good (in my opinion) because the price was in an ongoing correction.

To be honest, now I am also bullish because real gold and BTC are lately correlated and look like both kings (real and digital) want to go on a trip to the moon.

Let's wait and see but as for now there is really nothing to worry about, the GOLD token price looks good and the chart even better.

My prediction for BTC is 20K at the end of 2020 (epic  ) and the same for gold - at least new record highs, fingers crossed - bags filled, now only left to wait  .

I thought that I will see a party in this thread or at last many happy comments from GOLD token holders about the rising gold price and here is so quiet.

No way to let it be like this further and I am very happy to announce that GOLD token is on a run to the moon!!!

Just look at the real gold price chart.


https://goldprice.org/nl/gold-price-chart.html

Looks like the Digital Gold team and few members in this thread were fully right some time ago when they predicted this rise.

I have to admit that such a prediction was really brave because it was at the time of BTC and SP500 correction.

Of course, I am very happy that they were right because I hold a significant bag of GOLD tokens and every time when BTC corrects or the charts looks not promising, I stopped exchanging BTC/ETH to USDT, only use the GOLD token instead because it performs a lot better and gives me additional profits all the time. To be honest many times I even don't go back to BTC, only leave my GOLD tokens in the portfolio and buy BTC with money from different sources.

Now I would like to hear your predictions for GOLD in the near future  

How high will it go?

Al I can say is: that so typical!

When the ground starts to shake rats are the first to run to safe lives, of course, human rats are much worse and they run with bags full of stolen money from their clients because the only thing they are scared of is to live without them when being hunted by the law. One day everything collapsed and now every new day is worst and the money will be gone so fast, especially, if you can't run business openly anymore and have to hide. You really need a lot, if you don't want to give up on high standard living.

Wonder if Haynes would be so free today to talk bribes openly?  


If you have seen how people commented on his Tweets when it started, then you know that 99% was critical, no wonder he stopped.

Always so confident, he suddenly has to curl his tail and run away most of his life, especially if 400 million will be not recovered.

Agree with that, but you are not legitimate here either.

You promise something that is impossible to fulfill and you don't give the most important details like starting capital, for example.

Don't mention all other (obvious) red flags (account recently weaken up, changed password, email, etc.).

Just do yourself a favor and close this thread before it becomes a problem for you, just my friendly suggestion.

Of course, it was a little harsh comment about your offer, but have you really expected something else?

Just think for a second, if this is such a "great method" you will be already a millionaire and don't need this additional 20$.
On the other hand, if this is such a great method and you are wealthy enough, why not give it for free?

To be honest, it only takes one member to buy it and post later as a comment to shut down your business  .
As you see there is completely no sense in such an offer and that is why people don't believe it (even without trying), enough to have some brain and think for a second to know this.

Members here are confronted with such "great offers" every day and that's why @Suchmoon is fully qualified and right to write such a review

To nie tylko w Polsce takie obostrzenia, wszędzie w europie tak jest.

W Holandii, też już maseczki obowiązkowe w sklepach, dezynfekcja rąk, a w niektórych nawet użądzenia do mierzenia temperatury. Podchodzisz, myjesz łapki, a maszynka sprawdza temperaturę. 1,5 metra odstępu, bary, kina i inne juz zamknięte, a nastepne sklepy i firmy w kolejniści, jeżeli się nie poprawi. Wraca to co było podczas pierwszej fali.

Czytając Wasze komentarze, wierzyć mi się nie chce, że PIS nadal rządzi w Polsce. Jak wyjeżdżałem. to kaczki przejmowały władzę, teraz po tylu latach nadal przy korycie, jak oni to robią?
Jest na tyle tych wierzących babć i dziadków w Polsce? Wychodzi na to, że tak, a winę za to, że oni są przy władzy, ponoszą ci obojetni, którzy nie głosuja, bo tak na prawdę, władzę w Polsce wybiera 20% społeczeństwa.

Chyba, że coś się zmieniło ostatnio i frekwencja na wyborach jest wyższa?

Thanks for your comments, now I understand this case a lot better.

I think this is very good that the community shows that there is no place or support for obvious scammers.

I can remember many more known exchanges (from my own experience) that suffered "outages" during the biggest market movements, I hope they get the message already  .

I wasn't aware of that and to be honest, didn't expect that Hayes position in BitMEX could be so weak.
Don't know how the BitMEX legal structure looks like, but I was sure he owns it or at least is so strong that nothing can influence his position.
I thought that if Hayes will go down - BitMEX goes down too.

I wonder how much truth is behind this Binance rumor and why people think so?
Is there any source of this, like a new board member tied to Binance, don't know, something which could explain this. Of course, obvious reasons such as volumes and new clients flowing to Binance are behind any doubt, but that would benefit Binance anyways, even without any involvement.

I never followed Hayse and don't know what person he is and who are his friends or enemies, but from what I have seen on Twitter, there were more haters than supporters when the U.S law enforcement step in. It's a little surprising for me because at least in the crypto space a significant amount of people should support him.

Like I said I don't know him and maybe a lot of this hate is because of his personality or things he did or said, but still, I haven't seen anybody supporting the BitMEX case.
Pretty strange, taking into consideration the true anonymity and other values his exchanges provided. Looks like the sentiment in the crypto space is slowly changing into pro-regulatory, this case can be a very good example of this.

To be honest, I never understood why some exchanges don't list other exchanges tokens, coins?

All these anty competition explanations, somehow don't get to me and I found this odd because it only takes the profit away and makes lives hard for their clients.

As you said, now when the volumes shrank this is suddenly a good idea to list BNB, they are not concurrents anymore?

I think these are/were fully personal decisions (in many cases), I don't like you - you don't like me, so we don't list our tokens, and doesn't matter what the clients want or say.


Certainly, as a market leader, Binance will take over the majority of Bitmex customers and volume, if not already then soon.


Despite everything, they are able to keep all law enforcements away and so far they have no major problems.

Binance operates on the fringes of the law, but how to act differently when these laws don't exist or are being created on an ongoing basis?

In order to stay in this game, and in a leadership position, that is exactly how one needs to play it, and Binance is the best proof of that.

I don't want to say that I like what they are doing but as we can see this works, so we just shouldn't argue with the facts, I suppose?

Any news about BitMEX?

To be honest I haven't heard anything in the past week?

Of course, we can see that even BitMex finally will accept regulations and for sure this is a big win for U.S law enforcement.

I wonder what will be with the jailed board member and if implementing KYC now will be enough to keep the ball going?

If you have something, heard something, please share.

Remember that we are talking about gas limits and not actually used gas.

Additionally, I haven't mentioned token or ETH only talked about the simplest transaction, which occurs between two wallets.

You don't have to know the exact gas limits of course, or even how to correctly count them "by the book", just remember that the more complicated ETH transaction is the more gas is needed.

The simplest transaction on ETH network is between two wallets and the gas limit for such transactions is 25000 gwei.

The simplest transaction on Uniswap needs at least a gas limit of 150.000 gwei, because it will interact with few contracts at least and the more complicated it is the more it will costs.

Simple as that.

If you know that your token will be swapped back and forth at least few times before finally reach your wallet, then for sure the gas limit will be high, so the best way to send it for cheap is to wait for the gas price to be lower.

I fully agree with you and many times I have used this strategy personally when trading/investing in GOLD token or BTC.

To be honest, what you described is a well-known strategy called "dollar-cost averaging" DCA.

"Dollar-cost averaging - popular strategy for building investment positions over time. When you dollar-cost average, you invest equal dollar amounts in the market at regular intervals of time. The idea is to get the best deal on desired investment by controlling for market fluctuations. Rather than trying to time the market, you buy in at a range of different price points."

Here is a full article about this topic (quoted above) https://www.fool.com/investing/dollar-cost-averaging-what-investors-need-to-know.aspx.
I think worth reading because author provided many great examples of how the price looks like when buying DCA.    

I used to DCA Gold token for some time and this strategy works great.
Of course, there are also cons, but everything is explained in linked article, so I will stop here to make you more interested and willing to read    

PS    
GOLD token price keeps climbing and the use case is amazing, no way to be not successful, such digression to close the comment                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      

Today I received my reward, thank you very much TheNovemberMan!!!

I already forgot about this, to be honest, what a surprise when I found this package in my mailbox  

I will leave you a positive rating in your trust, I think you deserve it TheNovemberMan for keeping your word.

Just look at real gold price and BTC price, both are very bullish and going strong up!!!

Read other comments above yours, everyone is bullish, even me  


https://goldprice.org/gold-price-chart.html

In my opinion, you can wait very long for a dip, BTC just broke 12K sealing and before the end of 2020, we will be at 20K.

As we can see gold is correlated now with BTC very closely, as we know the GOLD token follows exactly the price of gold, so buying and holding is the best option now.

I am usually very realistic when it comes to markets but we can see that even worst news about the second corona wave, unemployment in the U.S, elections have no impact on gold and BTC.

Which is great for GOLD token investors!!!

Indeed meaning lost because I only said that for each legal usage I could bring examples of not legal usage, didn't mean exact numbers because as you know already - I don't know them.


Like every human being in the 2020 year, I use the internet to get information about almost everything.

When I put in google "are BTC mixers illegal?" this is what I see, as the first search result, additionally in the frame, highlighted from all the others.



When we look further to the next search results we will find this:  "US DOJ Calls Bitcoin Mixing ‘a Crime’ in Arrest of Software Developer"

https://www.coindesk.com/us-doj-calls-bitcoin-mixing-a-crime-in-arrest-of-software-developer

Of course, many other search results on google were linked to this arrest and described BTC mixing services as illegal.

https://securityboulevard.com/2020/02/bitcoin-tumbling-leads-to-multicount-indictment/
https://modernconsensus.com/regulation/when-is-bitcoin-mixing-a-crime/

And many, many more, not mentioned here, but I will come back to this in a second, please bare with me.

I have to admit here that I used mixers only on a few special occasions when there was a promotion to use them with rewards.

As we can see media show mixers as illegal, all search results on google are just screaming "illegal" and "stay away!", of course, before I provided them here, I have read all these articles and when I was done, I immediately started digging deeper because something doesn't add up here. The headlines scream that mixers are illegal, but the reality (as of today) is actually different.

When you start reading more carefully, it turns out that in fact mixers can be legalized and operate within the actual U.S laws.

https://modernconsensus.com/regulation/when-is-bitcoin-mixing-a-crime/

So, if someone from the U.S wants to use a BTC mixer, he should make sure that they actually have such a license.

Now I want to say a few words about online media, especially crypto-related outlets. There is an obvious war ongoing and on purpose, I haven't mentioned many articles that also showed up in google search results on the first page, exactly from outlets like Coingeek, Cointelegraph, Bitcoin.com because it's just obvious that they are spreading maybe not fake news, but the way they do it, I will call at least manipulative. When I was reading these articles for me was just obvious that they are using cases like Coin Ninja to smear BTC, mixers, Lightning Network, and everything around the BTC ecosystem, call it not legal, threat. I see they are very happy to use BTC and "scam", or BTC and "money laundering" in one sentence, calling BTC mixers "illegal" and the usage of them, but in the end, the truth is totally different.

That is why we have so many misunderstandings, some media outlets try to make BTC looks bad and the use of mixers illegal, but the truth is different, BTC mixers are just a gray area as of now.

I will finish with another quote which strongly resonates with our discussion.

https://modernconsensus.com/regulation/when-is-bitcoin-mixing-a-crime/

Of course, both of you are correct and I think that we can agree that there will be many examples of 100% privacy concerned mixers usages, but at this same time, I will be able to provide exactly the same amount of mixers usage tied to cover or run illegal activities.

I would rather like to discuss already mentioned in this thread risks related to the use of mixers, which are in the end illegal and may be the cause of legal sanctions.


Fully agree with you, thanks for this comment, of course, you are right and this only shows the need for "trusted" and "decent" mixers.

Are you not afraid that one day you can be tied to some BTC from illegal activities because of using mixers?

If used quite often the list can grow and one day if something happens, even if you don't want to and all these mixings was done only because of privacy concerns, you could be investigated (at least) and for sure will be fully scanned by the authorities, isn't this what you want to avoid in the first place?

To be honest, you are risking legal sanctions to protect your privacy when using Bitcoin, it seems to be a little confusing/odd, hard to understand, don't you think?
There should some other, legal ways to do it, without risking anything in a "perfect world" of course  .

Dies war mein erstes Mal auf dieser Website: https://ninjastic.space/ und Ich muss zugeben, dass es mir sofort gefallen hat.

Es enthält alle notwendigen Informationen, die ich hier erwarten würde.

Ich denke, es wird ein Tool sein, das sehr oft von allen verwendet wird, weil einen sehr detaillierten Überblick über jedes Konto, jeden Benutzer und jeden Thread bietet.

In wenigen Sekunden sehen Sie alle wichtigen Informationen mit allen Details, sogar unterteilt in verschiedene Zeiträume wie Tag, Woche oder Monat.

Ehrlich gesagt was ich über 40 Minuten zu dieser Seite geschweißt, heutzutage bedeutet es nur eines - gute Arbeit TryNinja!!!

PS
Ich entschuldige mich für sprachliche Fehler, aber ich habe lange nicht mehr Deutsch geschrieben. Ich werde öfter Ihren "örtlichen Hinterhof" besuchen müssen, um wieder ein bisschen Deutsch zu lernen.

I admit that I haven't read your post.

I read two first pages of the thread and all comments one by one, when I finally read something that I found interesting and reacted to it with my comment.


I have but this is what I can see and sorry but I won't register to see the data.


https://register.gotowebinar.com/recording/8980410054773689612

I would love to because even with the screen provided I want to discuss the outcomes deeply before considering them as useful.
For sure I would like to know how they gathered all these data and from where? I have of course a dozen other questions...

Only because some of the transactions come from miners or exchanges doesn't mean they are clean and not from scammy activities.
Now even more important is why are they mixed and if will not be used to some scammy activities after, like buying guns or drugs and that is why they are mixed in the first place?

I don't judge, I am neither entitled nor willing to do so.

I accept mixers and understand that people use and need them to buy safely goods they couldn't otherwise without breaking the law and leave a trace to them which I find insane in 2020.
At this same time, I am not blind and have so much brain left to know why mixers are there, why people or different entities need them (don't want to be connected to specific BTC), why are mixers illegal, and the usage of them in the end.

Disclaimer:
Of course, all the numbers I have given are actually "finger-sucked" and I thought it would be obvious to at least 0.001% of members, or 99.999% - I don't know anymore