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1901  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Bloody Year 2022 coming to End on: December 29, 2022, 06:51:03 PM
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Yep. According to the historical factor, what should happen next is as you describe it.
However, there is no guarantee it will repeat again in the same scenario, it is sometimes unpredictable. Crypto trends are influenced by the world situation, it is a very unpredictable factor and may change at any time. But if everything is controlled by the whales, they may try to lead us in the same scenario. They also will take big advantage if the scenario will be the same as previously. Ideally, no whale wants to have a bad crypto year after BTC halving. They should try to lead the market into bullrun period after they bought as many as crypto coins during the bearish season. They need a year for profit accumulation, there should exit time after entry time.

Well, I don't know whether it will rise up to $80k next year but it should be above $20k. 2022 is the first year of bearish season, not surprised to see a drop of more than -75% this year. However, 2023 (next year) is the second year of the bearish season, ideally it begins to increase gradually. I predict that we begin to move up, passing $20k and ready to have a constant raise towards ATH in 2024-2025.

IMHO, CMIIW

1902  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Responsible gambling on: December 28, 2022, 11:59:46 PM
I consider myself a gambling addict. However, unlike gambling addicts, I'm aware of my addiction and I know how to control it. What I love most is playing poker and also sports betting. The latter is the one that screws me the most. Even though, I can get some real good profits,
sometimes I get wild and end up losing all of my money.
As long as you can control it, it is no problem. I assume you are still at a mild addiction level, not a heavy addiction.
Do you still have the ability to manage/limit your funds, right? If you still can limit it and gamble for a certain time only, you won't have a problem with your life. But if it bothers your life, you need to stop it, at least stop it temporarily until you know how to gamble properly.

By the way, all addicts earn profits sometimes but end up with huge losses. It happens because they don't know when to stop, they are always eager to get more and more. They forget that chasing profits won't work in gambling, especially on based-luck games. It is the same as targeting something impossible to achieve.

1903  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2022/23 on: December 28, 2022, 11:56:36 PM
After Messi's departure, Barcelona have regrouped and are still trying to get sharper.  On the other hand, Real Madrid's players are already well-deserved to win the title.
Even during Messi's last season at Barcelona, Barcelona was no longer like when they have Xavi and Iniesta, Barcelona started to rebuild. They can't rely on tiki-taka anymore, especially when Real Madrid and many other teams know how to break this tactic. So, I don't think Barcelona is regrouped because of Messi's departure, it is because the old tiki-taka era is over. What Xavi (as a coach) rebuilt now, is a new tiki-taka era since it needs some improvement. Old tiki-take only works when Barcelona has the combination of Xavi-Iniesta-Messi. IMO

1904  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Platform Exchanges Di Indonesia on: December 28, 2022, 11:42:41 PM
Saya tebak selanjutnya perlahan tapi pasti, fee withdraw akan naik, mungkin akan sama dengan Indodax, karena Binance itu kalau bisa profit 2x lipat, jangan setengah-setengah, paham Kapitalis tetap kapitalis, dimanapun tempatnya.
Kalau demikian jadinya, berarti pasca akuisisi oleh Binance kualitas layanan untuk pelanggan malah merosot itu om. Tapi ane rasa tidak akan ada perubahan pada fee withdraw karena itu salah satu strategi marketing juga bagi setiap perusahaan untuk membuat para pengguna layanannya nyaman.
Setuju. Naikin fee WD berarti siap2 kehilangan interest masyarakat Indonesia. Perlu diingat jika salah satu hal yang bikin pamor Tokocrypto meningkat pesat yaitu karena fee WD nya murah. Kalau fee WD jadi mahal, orang-orang akan minggat ke exchange lain yang fee WD nya lebih murah. Saya yakin CZ dan timnya sangat mengerti terkait hal ini, mereka tidak akan merusak citra Tokocrypto dengan kembali menaikkan fee WD.

Sepertinya perbandingan yang sedikit berbeda, saya rasa pelayanan Tokocrypto dan Binance berbeda cukup jauh dalam hal pemahaman tentang cryptocurrency dari kedua cs di market tesebut, jujur saat komplain di Binance mereka langsung bisa to the point dan berbeda dengan Tokocrypto banyak hal2 dasar ditanyakan.

Contoh sederhananya, saat melakukan komplain Binance tentang deposit cukup memberikan hasx transaksi dan mereka bisa langsung forward ke tim teknisi, berbeda dengan Tokocrypto kita diminta cukup detail, mulai dari jumlah penarikan, waktu penarikan, padahal tx hash yang kita lampirkan bisa lebih dari cukup.
Itu bukan masalah pemahaman crypto dari CS nya, tapi karena SOP nya dibuat seperti itu.
Ente pasti tau kalau Tokocrypto make Binance cloud, jika ada isu seperti problem Depo atau WD, CS Tokocrypto perlu data lengkap untuk diforward ke pihak Binance supaya mudah ditangani. Berbeda dengan CS Binance, karena itu sistem mereka sendiri mereka bisa tangani langsung secara internal.

1905  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Rank positions on CMC changes every bull market? on: December 28, 2022, 11:28:05 PM
I would be amazed if more than 3 of the current top20 coins succeeded to keep their positions. The nature of crypto as small, emerging, and high risk market makes it hard for any project to maintain its advancement and that is due to many reasons, one of them is the competition between many entities that target the same domain, like the smart contract platforms, there are tens of projects in this domain and many are useless or just a clone of other projects. The other reason is the market cycle which enforce unprepared or unexperienced projects owners to shut down, therefore I expect many of the top20 will not be there when the next bull market starts.
If you mention the top 20, it is including BTC, ETH, USDT, USDC, BUSD, BNB, ADA, MATIC, DOT. Do you think these coins will be out of the top 20 in the next bullrun season? IMO, surely there will be more than 3 of those coins to survive in the top 20. I believe BTC, ETH, and stable coins stay at least, no reason for these coins to drop out. These coins have different concepts, they also don't compete each other. In addition, I am sure the developers/teams of the top 20 coins are experienced enough. They won't get many investors and won't get big market caps if they don't have a good experience. People won't trust unexperienced developers/teams.

1906  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season on: December 28, 2022, 12:42:33 PM
Nunez has become a failed striker for liverpool. There have been bunch of memes created by liverpudlians for him caused by he was always missing the golden opportunity to make the goal. gakpo has become a new bet for liverpool. We will see whether gakpo will become a successful transfer by liverpool or he will did nothing like nunez. This is gambling that has been taken by liverpool. It seems like that klopp didn't feel satisfied with the performance from nunez. glad to see that liverpool bought another striker.
IMO, we can't claim Nunez failed because the season isn't over yet. There are still many matches to prove his ability as a top striker. Signing Gakpo doesn't mean replacing Nunez, Jürgen Klopp may put him alongside Nunez on Liverpool attacking line. Gakpo-Nunez-Salah seems promising enough, I expect Klopp to try this combination.

By the way, every new signing is always gambling, no guarantee a top player to succeed in any team. Even a superstar like Hazard and Bale, failed in Real Madrid. However, Klopp must have a strong reason why he chooses Gakpo. He won't sign carelessly for a player who is worth around €60m. Gakpo is a young attacker and he can play in some positions, this can be two reasons why Klopp signs him.

1907  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2022/23 on: December 27, 2022, 11:56:04 PM
With the current team standings in the table after the break we will witness a much more competitive games in the La liga this time around, Barcelona who are currently leading the table will want to secure their position while Madrid who are second place will want to get every available points to close up the gap away from Barcelona and possibly overtake Barcelona and top the league. On this note I expect Barcelona to get a win against Espayol to secure all three points.
I am not sure whether it is more competitive or not, but only 2 teams have the chance to win La Liga title. It means, it is no change, it is the same as in previous seasons when only Barcelona and Real Madrid competed for the title. TBH, I actually expect Atletico Madrid joins the race for the title, it makes La Liga more competitive. Sadly, Atletico Madrid performed very badly, they even struggle to come back to top 4.

By the way, I predict Barcelona to win against Espanyol easily, especially since they will play at home. Real Madrid also will have no problem getting 3 points against Valladolid. It seems there will be no change in the top 2 of La Liga standings.

1908  Economy / Economics / Re: Save your environmental economic cycle on: December 27, 2022, 11:29:46 PM
A few days ago I was walking around the housing complex, and I noticed that a lot of grocery stores and other needs (conventional/retailers) had gone bankrupt, maybe this happened because prices were soaring even worse, and people prefer to buy from online stores instead of buying from neighbours, which causes the economy to slow down is undeniably this is the impact of the global economic chaos and technological advances.
I don't think online stores cause offline stores bankrupt.  
Not all goods are worth buying via online stores. If you want to buy daily necessities, I am sure most people prefer to buy in offline stores. Also, not all people are familiar enough with online stores, there are still many people who never buy goods from online stores in my town.

If you see there are many offline stores closed, it probably causes by a significant increase in good prices and the competition with bigger stores who dominate the market. If you live in Indonesia, you must be familiar with Ind*mar*t and Alf*ma*t. These retail companies dominate the market and cause smaller stores rarely have customers.

1909  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to win gambling? on: December 27, 2022, 10:57:57 PM
The points you mentioned are not about how to win at gambling. But to keep gamblers' finances from getting out of control which makes their condition more difficult. If you say "how to win", then you should give your tutorials/tricks to win, while the chances of winning slots with that strategy are difficult, I believe that the winning results from slots will be obtained if you are lucky.
Very very agree with you, mate.  Wink
It is not the way to win gambling, it is the way to gamble properly.
It is true that ideally a gambler doesn't expect much about earning money from gambling but prefers to get entertainment. If a gambler chases winning to earn money, he probably ends up with stress and losing huge money. Most gambling games rely on luck, I assume this type of games has no tricks to win it. Yep, slots is one of the examples of luck-based games.

What JanEmil posted is all correct and all are good pieces of advice the title should be How Not To Lose In Gambling because if you follow these pieces of advice you're not going to lose your sanity and you're not going to lose money that you can't afford to lose because in gambling it's not how to win it's how not to lose.
There is no way to prevent losing money.
I believe everyone losing money because they spend money on gambling.
But for the gamblers who focus on getting entertainment, losing money is okay because they get something worth, such as a pleasure, satisfaction, or happiness.

1910  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: December 26, 2022, 11:59:38 PM
Is this serious? I don't want to believe it but this was said directly by Fabrizio Romano which incidentally is quite valid in the news he gave. I didn't even hear Liverpool rumors with Gakpo before.
Liverpool poured out 37 million plus add-ons, up to £50 million for gakpo's Contract and reportedly this will be a long contract.
Fabrizio also added that in a few days medical tests would be carried out in England.
Sad for Manchester United now because in the beginning they were the most serious about this player.
If Fabrizio Romano announced it, it is surely serious news.  Wink
TBH, I'm also a bit surprised, what I heard Man United who tried to sign him. Yep, Man United was very serious to negotiate him because Man United needs a new striker to replace the position left by Ronaldo. Sadly, Liverpool beats Man United, they seem to almost succeed sign Gakpo if Gakpo already has a schedule of medical tests. Well, Ten Hag must be very disappointed with Liverpool because they stole Gakpo.  Grin

1911  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Accumulation phase is out!? on: December 26, 2022, 11:54:21 PM
2017/18 bear market was something terrible and unbearable this year 2022 market has broken the record to be worst bear market rising from $68k down to $15k which is about 72 percent lost for those who investing at the ATH. From my view bear might have ended by now but i believe it was because of the recent turbulence caused by Luna and FTX which raise lot of dust / sentiment in the market.
It is not 72% lost but 75+% lost from its ATH. Check again CMC or Coingecko, mate.  Wink
NO, there is no way that the bearish season ends now or ends in the near future. You can see that BTC price is below $17k, it is even very hard to increase to $17k- $18k. How can BTC recover very soon with this condition? By the way, if we consider the 4 year cycle, we just begin 2nd year bearish season in the next year (2023). So, in theory, we still have 1 year more for the bearish season.

Luna and FTX crashes are just the factors that drive the price drop further. Actually, it is not very surprising during this bearish season.

1912  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why you should be very careful with alts on: December 26, 2022, 11:42:47 PM
Any crypto project is risky. There are only a few altcoin projects that are worthwhile and can develop in the long term, and these altcoins may make huge profits here in a short period of time.
Most altcoin projects eventually turn into scams over time, and many investors can fall victim to it and lose a lot of money.
Sure, no crypto project is 100% safe/secure. Even, top crypto projects can fail, FTX is the perfect example of this.
However, altcoins offer the opportunity to earn huge profits because they have big volatility. Altcoin prices can change drastically in a short time whenever there is good news. It is a bit different with Bitcoin, the price increases gradually and it rarely changes drastically like altcoin prices. I assume, only BTC halving that can BTC price increase very significantly.

Yep, there are many investors who lose their funds because they invested in the wrong projects. Most of them lose funds through new crypto projects, they bought the tokens in IEO or ICO phases. This is a serious warning that we must be very very careful to choose crypto projects. If they look unconvincingly, it is better to ignore/avoid them.

1913  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you own 1 Bitcoin? (2022 edition) on: December 25, 2022, 11:58:58 PM
Currently 2022 not good moment for me to earn Bitcoin, seems difficult with my assets floating in several altcoin and my reaching earn still under 0.7 BTC. Left few days later with 2022 and still not have any positive way with my cryptocurrency assets keep going dump and will open another opportunity next year having 1 BTC.
Are your funds over?
If you still have funds, 2022 is a good time to add more BTC to your wallets. The price of BTC is rather cheap, it dropped more than -75%.
We don't know what's to happen with crypto market next year. Although many people assume BTC to drop more because of the recession, no one guarantees it. Who knows if this month is the last chance to buy BTC below $17k?  Wink

Short and long term trading still can't help me how to earn more than 1 BTC in this year but still enough with trading in cryptocurrency for my daily day needed.
Trading during the bearish market won't work very well. I even stop trading for a few months, I assume it didn't get quite good profits. If you want to earn 1 BTC, you need to have extra funds, don't rely on the trading profits!

DWYOR

1914  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Isu Resesi 2023, Peluang Beli Bitcoin? on: December 25, 2022, 11:32:13 PM
Bitcoin tidak pernah lepas dari siklus empat tahunan, koreksi dan pemulihan adalah reaksi pasar yang ditunjukkan setiap saat di bitcoin dan tergantung momen yang sedang berlangsung. Periode inilah yang membuat orang berafiliasi kapan waktu yang tepat untuk memasuki pasar, sehingga dapat menentukan pemanfaatan siklus empat tahunan dalam mendapatkan keuntungan yang maksimal.
Itu karena ada halving BTC di dalam siklus 4 tahunan ini. Sekiranya tidak ada halving BTC, saya juga tidak yakin siklusnya bakal 4 tahunan.
Iya, dengan adanya siklus 4 tahunan, orang-orang lebih yakin untuk join investasi BTC sebab waktu entry dan exitnya cukup jelas. Walaupun tidak ada jaminan siklusnya akan selalu sama ke depannya nanti.

Maksudnya yang terlibat di dalam investasi bitcoin om, karena apapun prediksi yang orang lakukan, jika seseorang tidak memahami siklus empat tahunan, maka akan sulit membuat keputusan terhadap kapan untuk exit dan entry yang ideal.
Oke, Om.
BTW, yang terlibat investasi BTC, pasti akan paham siklusnya.
Sepemahaman saya, tidak ada investor yang berani menginvestasikan uangnya jika tidak tau seperti apa historisnya dan seperti apa pola naik turunnya harganya.

1915  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What to do when trading gives you heart problem. on: December 23, 2022, 09:41:46 PM
If you are struggling from heart problem with trading, then try to minimize your trading activity first and encourage more self-control and emotional stability. If it’s still not working, then stop trading and focus on investing and long term hodling with bitcoin. That way, you can still make good amount of profits in time with less hassle and less stress. Of course, health is also our wealth so we need to prioritize it over other money matters.
Indeed. Heart problem is a serious matter, we must prioritize it.
If trading makes a heart problem, it may be a sign that he doesn't fit to be a trader. So, kindly stop trading and try another one. Well, long-term investment is probably a good alternative to try. However, investing long-term with BTC also requires a strong mentality and patience. We can't expect to get instant profits, it needs several years to take profits. So, I also doubt that he won't have a problem with a long-term investment. Ideally, he must be wiser and get more knowledge about how to manage the emotion/mind in crypto trading/investment.

1916  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Isu Resesi 2023, Peluang Beli Bitcoin? on: December 23, 2022, 09:12:02 PM
Kondisi di tahun 2019 sampai pada tahun 2021 merupakan bukti kuat terhadap perjalanan bitcoin, keraguan apapun yang orang rasakan akan memberikan gambaran bagaimana bitcoin dapat menjaga nilai investasi, meskipun pernah di timpa koreksi berkali-kali sebelum mencapai ATH. Momen inilah yang saya fikir bitcoin lebih rasional untuk di jalankan sebagai investasi jangka panjang.
Tidak hanya di periode tahun 2019-2021, bahkan pada periode2 bearish sebelumnya BTC selalu mampu kembali mencetak ATH baru pada saat bullrun season. Artinya jika dilihat dari sisi historis, BTC cukup terbukti senantiasa mampu meningkatkan nilainya sesuai dengan periode yang dilalui setiap 4 tahunan. Kalau dalam pemahaman saya, investasi jangka panjang BTC berpatokan pada siklus 4 tahunan ini. Maksudnya ada pemetaan waktu kapan untuk entry dan exit yang ideal setiap 4 tahunan.

Sampai saat ini saya masih yakin untuk hold, jikapun berniat untuk nyerok harus melalui modal cadangan. Selebihnya tergantung pada keputusan masing-masing orang bagaimana nyamannya dalam terlibat.
Saya kira semua orang punya padangan yang sama, lanjut hold dan beli hanya dari uang extra.
BTW terlibat di sini maksudnya apa? Kok saya gagal paham, Om.  Huh

1917  Economy / Speculation / Re: Could this be the bottom of Bitcoin? on: December 23, 2022, 07:19:32 PM
price will move depend on how we treat bitcoin , like you if you are just asking but not even accumulating or selling then what care do you have for this market?
What do you mean, mate?
If you are just an ordinary investor or trader, you have no ability (power) to trigger the Bitcoin price move. Unless you are a whale, you may have the power to dump or pump the price. So, as an ordinary trader/investor, there will be no significant influence on BTC price whatever we do (buying or selling).

All I can say is do not try to find the market bottom because you will end up losing, we are just entering 2023 and the bear market is still active, instead of trying to find the market bottom you can keep dollar cost averaging, you won't see it coming when the bear market is finally done for, trust me.
It is difficult to know the bottom price, we have no strong clue about it. But the bottom ideally is in the first or second year of the bearish period. When we almost reach 2024, I am pretty sure the bearish to be over because there will be BTC halving. So, I assume the bottom already reached or to happen in early of the next year.

1918  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season on: December 23, 2022, 06:51:38 PM
Mbappe's hat-trick in the FIFA World Cup final game is truly remarkable. Mbappe is a smart and efficient striker. If he keeps his performance like this, he will become a great player in the future.
Of course, it was an outstanding performance. Very rare a player to score 3 goals (hat-trick) in the final match of the world cup tournament. Even, Mbappe also scored in the penalty shoot-out. What he did in the final match simply showed us that Mbappe is one of the best strikers in the world nowadays. He is already a great player now and this probably lasts a long time until many years in the future.

So far it's been too ridiculous for Real Madrid to expect him for free before Mbappe extends his contract with PSG.
Real Madrid won't sign him for free, Mbappe has a contract with PSG until Jun 30, 2025. But I think it is not a problem for Real Madrid, they should have enough money to sign Mbappe. The problem is PSG prevents him, PSG wants Mbappe to stay as long as possible. Mbappe has a crucial role in PSG attacking line, they won't miss him very soon.

1919  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2022/23 on: December 22, 2022, 11:59:12 PM
From what I hear, Madrid has prepared another target as an alternative if they fail to sign Mbappe, he is Endrick, a talented young player
Madrid will not make Mbappe a priority because Endrick is predicted to be able to compete and become a new star
Regardless of whether this young player can be relied upon, we'll see in the continuation of the competition.
Real Madrid already signed Endrick successfully.
Please check the official announcement on Real Madrid site.
But Endrick will come to Real Madrid in 2024, when he is 18 years old.

I am not sure Ancelotti is satisfied with this youngster to replace Benzema's position. Real Madrid will continue to try signing Mbappe. Endrick may have big talent or skills, but he has no experience to play in top competition and with big teams. Real Madrid needs a player like Mbappe who has the complete ability to play as the main striker (CF). Endrick is still too young, he needs enough experience to be the main striker.

Related sources:
- https://www.transfermarkt.com/endrick/profil/spieler/971570
- https://www.realmadrid.com/noticias/2022/12/15/comunicado-oficial-endrick?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organico
- https://www.football-espana.net/2022/12/15/real-madrid-confirm-signing-of-endrick-felipe-will-join-in-2024

1920  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What are you doing with your alt bags on: December 22, 2022, 11:47:14 PM
It's starting to look like we are going to see a huge dump in the coming weeks into 2023, altcoins are in trouble as big venture capitals are selling off their holdings,
How do you know that there will be a huge dump in 2023?  Huh
If it is about the recession, I assume it is still an issue or a rumor. And the prices of crypto coins don't fully follow the world issue. I still remember that we have a bullrun season in 2021 although we experienced a big disaster (Covid-19) at that time. Anyway, considering the 4 years cycle, 2023 is the second year of bearish season. Ideally, the price of crypto coins begin to increase gradually, we are starting to toward the bullish season. Although there should be some dumps, commonly it won't be as huge as in the first year bearish.

Almost all altcoins are now making new all time low,~
It is good, it means we reached the dippest level in this bearish season.
If it reached the ATL, it must begin to increase again gradually in the next few weeks/months.

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