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1921  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Merit Ponzi on: February 17, 2018, 03:36:31 AM
This is only the beggining. A large number of users do not even know that there is such a thing like Merit, and even more do not know how to use it. With time, people will get used to giving out merit points and their collection will be easier.
1922  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Merit Ponzi on: February 16, 2018, 08:25:16 PM

i have only 1merit and my active post is 70 but i dont know how i ll send merit because whenever i tray to send merit  the message shown you have not enough merit

To be able to give merit points, you must first earn them. For every two points you earn, you get the opportunity to send one merit point. At the moment you have only one merit point, so you can not give anything yet. When you get two merit points then you will have one to use.

Sorry for little off top Wink
1923  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: February 15, 2018, 05:41:11 AM
I have not checked the system updates in a while by the looks of it as I just checked and discovered the Merit system
Interesting idea Theymos a mini token system to monitor the quality of the thread that supplements the moderation system.
Let's see how this goes.

For sure we need time to see what the effects of this system will be. But as you have noticed, by some users it can be used as a "token", which can lead to trade, and as a consequence, to the loss of the right value.
1924  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: February 14, 2018, 01:45:31 AM
what relevance the activities have for ranking.

Activity is not just the number of posts. You also need to post at least once in each 2-week activity period.

So theoretically, a Newbie will remain Newbie status even though they may have penned 10K post, earned 1000 Activity, but remained at O Merits, correct?

Actually without Merit points you can jump to Jr.Member, but @suchmoon wrote about that to collect activity points you need not only number of posts - you need also time. In 14 days periods you need post at least 1 time, to "earn" activity points from this period of time and it can be max 14 activity points - but to earn that points you need also enough posts. More less .. Smiley So if you change in your comment "Newbie" to "Jr.Member", this what you wrote theoretically will be possible.
1925  Economy / Exchanges / Re: LiveCoin.net > Buy/Sell/Exchange > + New Markets on: February 13, 2018, 05:32:37 PM
Hello LiveCoin!

How looks listing token ERC20 on your exchange - i mean how long can take all process and how much it can cost?

Regards,
1926  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: ✅🚀[ANN] [ICO] KEPLER - Next Generation Blockchain Platform For AI & Robotics🚀 on: February 12, 2018, 12:58:23 AM
On your website we can find that information:

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KEP tokens will be available to trade on exchanges 5 days after the ICO end date

ICO is in April, but what is the ICO end date?
1927  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ✶ ARBIDEX ✶ MOST WANTED TRADING PLATFORM OF ALL TIME! on: February 11, 2018, 09:21:38 PM
So are my funds safe in the arbitration fund therefor making profit or will I just get the same amount back?
Your assets for arbitrage will make profit for your. Profit is about 0.2% per day in average

Do this 0.2%/day average profit is this same for all levels - I mean Silver, Gold and Ultimate, or maybe for higher deposit it can looks better?   Wink Cool
1928  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [BOUNTY][ICO]520 000$ ALGORY - Multifunctional tools for cryptocurrency trading on: February 10, 2018, 05:00:38 AM
Sorry, if I sounds very offensive in my previous posts, but if you guys will find a bit time to answer questions like "estimated price", it will be very helpful for every bounty participant.

Thank you in advice!
1929  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: February 09, 2018, 12:31:05 PM
Merit system for new users looks like unfair. However, there is no doubt that the long run will bring positive results.

I would like to know what do you think about that:

Ok!
Those who give me merits will PM the pictures and video ))
1930  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [BOUNTY][ICO]520 000$ ALGORY - Multifunctional tools for cryptocurrency trading on: February 09, 2018, 01:00:40 AM
I've received confirmation that all transfer has been confirmed!!!  Smiley

Well done!

Can you now tell us what is estimated value of ALG token? (As you counted in opening post)

For specialists of trading and dificult mathematic algorithms it should be just matter of few minutes. I hope you can help us with this simple calculation.

Ps. From my previous post i crossed one word - it should be more comfortable for you.
1931  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [BOUNTY][ICO]520 000$ ALGORY - Multifunctional tools for cryptocurrency trading on: February 07, 2018, 07:41:21 PM
What is the initial price for a token?

ICO price was 1000 ALG = 1 ETH, later they triple tokens for investors so automatically it was 3000 ALG = 1 ETH. But, it is probably impossible to count, because we don't know how many tokens was airdroped and developers still keep not sold tokens.
The worst thing is that they don't want burn them, so in any moment can drop them on market.

1932  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [BOUNTY] eBit Payment ~ 2,016,000$ to Share ! [Token Sale - Nov.24,2017] on: February 06, 2018, 05:24:28 PM

my manager please uptade my stakes

Do you not understand what you read, or you don't know English? No one will update your stakes, because this bounty campaign ended on 26th of January!!

Bounty rewards will be paid within 30 days.

Move on dude!
1933  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: February 05, 2018, 10:13:12 AM

Perhaps there is a paradox in the fact that I bought this account, and at the same time I argue that accounts trading should be banned.
I bought this account because it is allowed.

I don't know if that is a paradox, or just a kind of attempt at rationalization of your likely bad situation.. seemingly logical to lose the account.

Why do you think that my situation is bad?

I think that I already said as much as I want to say on the topic.  Ultimately it is up to the administrators what to do with your account, and they would likely have access to information that I don't have and I don't know if you have such information, either.

That's it.

I argue that account trading should be banned because in my opinion it is the main reason why account farmers earn and do what they do. And account trading mainly distorts the ranking system and merit point system.
I'm surprised that nobody talks about it till now!?

I doubt that account trading, farming or the ability to sell is a new topic.  I have seen older post on the topic, so difficult to argue that it is some kind of new phenomenon.

I recall that I lost access to my account twice.  Once was my own fault to screw up my method of signing in, and my account got frozen for nearly a month; however, another time, my account was taken over by a hacker.  

Having my account taken over by a hacker caused me to recognize the value of my account and its history, so I did jump through several hoops, and fairly promptly to get access to my account back.  Sometimes, it can take several weeks or longer before legitimate owners might have realized that there account had been compromised, or what to do about such compromised situation.  Further, I imagine that it can be a fairly time-consuming and tedious activity for forum administrators to be returning legitimate access (and verifying) actual owners during seemingly ongoing hacking situations.

Hacking accounts is other problem, we can do nothing about it, and in my opinion merit system have not much to do with that.

Hacking accounts has to do with ownership claims rather than being a merit system specific topic.    Yet, if merit is given to an account prior to knowing whether there are hacking and/or ownership disputes, then those kinds of questions have been raised in the context of merit, fair merit distribution, etc.

This is obviously logical, it is more a problem of education about the security of each of us, than merit system. The consequences, of course, are always unpleasant, but it is more important to protect yourself.

If the topic of accounts trading was discussed (I missed it), I think we should keep it up.

I don't know how you would have missed the topic, because it was raised in light of your own account and in the context of your posting in this thread.

Yep, so if I started this topic, it is logic that I can't missed it. Smiley Sorry, I understood that this was previously discussed in this thread.

I'm sure that this is what makes the biggest problem for merit and rank system

Again, it is not a merit/rank specific topic, and it mostly seems to have come up in connection with your account.

For me it is big problem for merit system and it is one from reasons why i write in this thread.

Banning account trading will give moderators power to permanent ban everyone who is involved. If Account farmers will have permission to do what they do, i'm sure that they will find way to bypass merit system. Actually i already wrote that, so you can go back to my previous post, where is example and what i think about that. So, YES, in my opinion we should to discuss that in merit/rank topic.  

, and certainly there also would be less hacked accounts. I think that Theymos one more time should consider to ban this.

You seem to be both repeating a point that you already made and NOT making such point very clearly.  Buying/selling accounts is not banned; however, if the account was stolen or compromised in that kind of way, then that seems to b where there becomes an issue.  Sure Theymos could change the policy regarding having more than one account and regarding selling/trading accounts, but that does not seem to be a change that is the works, currently... and really, given your current status and situation, I doubt that your input or suggestion would carry very much weight with Theymos were he deliberating changes in such policy/practices.

If something is not clear in my point of view, please ask - We are here to discuss that.

As i wrote before, stolen/compromised accounts that is problem of security for each of us and forum administration, have not much to do with merit system.

For every healthy-minded person, most important should be what I write, not the opinion issued on the basis of someone's comment and his imagination.
1934  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: February 04, 2018, 11:48:31 PM
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To be honest I don't know how to check if this account was stolen..  Roll Eyes

First of all.  Yes, I think that there is a preference for members to be honest, and it is not easy to gage honesty over the internet, except maybe with the passage of time - or  maybe if given some responsibility or time to admit wrongdoing and things like that.  So, there may be a certain level of assumption that posters are being honest, until there is evidence that they are not... And, then when there is a system of dishonesty that develops, then the new presumption might unfairly become that newbies are dishonest, until they are proven otherwise.  So yeah, you have problematic aspects of your account, and doubtful that anyone is against the buying/selling of legitimate accounts, but if they are stolen, then seems that caveat emptor would apply.. which means you are likely a loser if there is any decent level of evidence that your account was not acquired legitimately.

I just have to belive that i bought this account from real, first owner. If there is any option i will feel much better when someone can help me to confirm that.

I doubt that there is much of any recourse for you if it is determined that the account was not legitimately transferred.

Of course I am against using stolen accounts.

I think almost anyone agrees about that, except perhaps folks who either engage in crime or endorse it or people with very poor logic skills.

I must agree with you, but i can only repeat that I don't know how to confirm that my account was bought from real, first owner. I will be very heppy if someone can help me with that.

Perhaps there is a paradox in the fact that I bought this account, and at the same time I argue that accounts trading should be banned.
I bought this account because it is allowed.

I don't know if that is a paradox, or just a kind of attempt at rationalization of your likely bad situation.. seemingly logical to lose the account.

Why do you think that my situation is bad?

I argue that account trading should be banned because in my opinion it is the main reason why account farmers earn and do what they do. And account trading mainly distorts the ranking system and merit point system.
I'm surprised that nobody talks about it till now!?

I doubt that account trading, farming or the ability to sell is a new topic.  I have seen older post on the topic, so difficult to argue that it is some kind of new phenomenon.

I recall that I lost access to my account twice.  Once was my own fault to screw up my method of signing in, and my account got frozen for nearly a month; however, another time, my account was taken over by a hacker. 

Having my account taken over by a hacker caused me to recognize the value of my account and its history, so I did jump through several hoops, and fairly promptly to get access to my account back.  Sometimes, it can take several weeks or longer before legitimate owners might have realized that there account had been compromised, or what to do about such compromised situation.  Further, I imagine that it can be a fairly time-consuming and tedious activity for forum administrators to be returning legitimate access (and verifying) actual owners during seemingly ongoing hacking situations.

Hacking accounts is other problem, we can do nothing about it, and in my opinion merit system have not much to do with that.

If the topic of accounts trading was discussed (I missed it), I think we should keep it up. I'm sure that this is what makes the biggest problem for merit and rank system, and certainly there also would be less hacked accounts. I think that Theymos one more time should consider to ban this.
1935  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: February 04, 2018, 09:40:19 PM


It is true that in this way you will make it difficult for all account farmers, but for ordinary users, achieving more merit points will be practically impossible and then the entire ranking system loses meaning.

You are a curious person to me. The majority of your post history is in Chinese. I randomly translated some of the older posts from that Chinese guy and he was a pretty big bitcoin supporter. He was worried about what his government would do to bitcoin.

Then *poof* as if by some kind of forum magic that Chinese guy becomes fluent in English, never posts in a Chinese language thread again, becomes a bounty hunter and only posts in threads talking about profit. I hope you didn’t spend too much for that account.

I don’t know how much I trust your opinion on the whole merit situation since you’re probably one of the people this system is supposed to eliminate.

I bought this account.. Like we can see in posts history it was around middle of August 2017. I don't know why someone sold this account.
It is my alt account, my real account have much longer history.. almost like yours Wink You don't need to trust my rank, because as we all know not always it have to be true Wink . Just read what i write and think.

Merit system is not bad idea in my opinion, but as it was written account farmers can find bypass for it:

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On the other hand, it is not really hard to post 50 short lines in off topic or games and rounds and after that to post 10 high quality posts at right place and point them to right people.
I don't think current system will decrease number of farming accounts, spam or account sales and honestly I think 10 merits to rank up to member rank is too low, because people will just create hundred accounts, do exactly what I said above and abuse signature/bounty campaigns, giveaways etc.

For every 10 Smerits received, junior member can easily send 5 Smerits to other account, from that account 2 Smerit to third account and so on - and repeat with many accounts.

When I write that increasing the number of merit points will be very difficult for ordinary users, I write this honestly. On the other hand, in my opinion, farmers will bypass it. But as wrote themos it is too early to verdict where it will go.
The only thing i can suggest at this point, is implementation of a moderator who will deal only with merit points.

Do I have to be eliminated by this system? I don't know - you should to decide about that. Lauda already tagged me just because someone said that my account is hacked Smiley And now i have to prove that i bought this account - what is allowed here, but in next 5 minutes The Pharmacist will give me next red tag because he don't like when someone buy account. For me behavior like this distorts reality.
Maybe my example will be interesting to talk about that system.. Let see example when someone collected thousands of merit points, and someone find out that a few years ago he bought this account .. buum - red tag! What then?

I think that trading accounts should be blocked completely and it would dispel any doubts. Don't you see a conflict of interest? On one end Administration is letting people trading accounts and on another is rewarding people for red tagging for that! Kind of Monthy Python for me ..

Sorry for little off top with this trading.

I merely gave you a merit for: 1) the activity level of your account, 2) the fact that had not received any merits and 3) because of the substance of your earlier posts.  I did not research into your trust or your post history.

But even your admission here regarding the surrounding facts brings me regret for having had used one of my merits on your account.

Somehow you believe that if an account is stolen (assuming that you did not steal the account and you paid for it like you said), then someone, such as yourself, should be able to buy such account and the account would be valid because you supposedly payed for it? 

There seems to be something wrong with your thinking, in that regard, bitgov.  I will be surprised if this particular account does not get frozen or locked out - seems like you are not in a good position, because, generally, buying stolen property is not acceptable, and if you think that it is then you may be engaged in a kind of rationalization if you believe that buying stolen property should be acceptable?   

Anyhow, if you really do have another more valid account, then perhaps you (and the forum) would be better served by your using that other (presumably not stolen account) to post. 


To be honest I don't know how to check if this account was stolen..  Roll Eyes I just have to belive that i bought this account from real, first owner. If there is any option i will feel much better when someone can help me to confirm that.
Of course I am against using stolen accounts.
Perhaps there is a paradox in the fact that I bought this account, and at the same time I argue that accounts trading should be banned.
I bought this account because it is allowed.
I argue that account trading should be banned because in my opinion it is the main reason why account farmers earn and do what they do. And account trading mainly distorts the ranking system and merit point system.
I'm surprised that nobody talks about it till now!?
1936  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: February 04, 2018, 06:59:55 PM


It is true that in this way you will make it difficult for all account farmers, but for ordinary users, achieving more merit points will be practically impossible and then the entire ranking system loses meaning.

You are a curious person to me. The majority of your post history is in Chinese. I randomly translated some of the older posts from that Chinese guy and he was a pretty big bitcoin supporter. He was worried about what his government would do to bitcoin.

Then *poof* as if by some kind of forum magic that Chinese guy becomes fluent in English, never posts in a Chinese language thread again, becomes a bounty hunter and only posts in threads talking about profit. I hope you didn’t spend too much for that account.

I don’t know how much I trust your opinion on the whole merit situation since you’re probably one of the people this system is supposed to eliminate.

I bought this account.. Like we can see in posts history it was around middle of August 2017. I don't know why someone sold this account.
It is my alt account, my real account have much longer history.. almost like yours Wink You don't need to trust my rank, because as we all know not always it have to be true Wink . Just read what i write and think.

Merit system is not bad idea in my opinion, but as it was written account farmers can find bypass for it:

Quote
On the other hand, it is not really hard to post 50 short lines in off topic or games and rounds and after that to post 10 high quality posts at right place and point them to right people.
I don't think current system will decrease number of farming accounts, spam or account sales and honestly I think 10 merits to rank up to member rank is too low, because people will just create hundred accounts, do exactly what I said above and abuse signature/bounty campaigns, giveaways etc.

For every 10 Smerits received, junior member can easily send 5 Smerits to other account, from that account 2 Smerit to third account and so on - and repeat with many accounts.

When I write that increasing the number of merit points will be very difficult for ordinary users, I write this honestly. On the other hand, in my opinion, farmers will bypass it. But as wrote themos it is too early to verdict where it will go.
The only thing i can suggest at this point, is implementation of a moderator who will deal only with merit points.

Do I have to be eliminated by this system? I don't know - you should to decide about that. Lauda already tagged me just because someone said that my account is hacked Smiley And now i have to prove that i bought this account - what is allowed here, but in next 5 minutes The Pharmacist will give me next red tag because he don't like when someone buy account. For me behavior like this distorts reality.
Maybe my example will be interesting to talk about that system.. Let see example when someone collected thousands of merit points, and someone find out that a few years ago he bought this account .. buum - red tag! What then?

I think that trading accounts should be blocked completely and it would dispel any doubts. Don't you see a conflict of interest? On one end Administration is letting people trading accounts and on another is rewarding people for red tagging for that! Kind of Monthy Python for me ..

Sorry for little off top with this trading.
1937  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: February 04, 2018, 05:07:55 PM
I did some research last couple of days.

What I noticed so far is large number of accounts which are posting farming as usual and then all of sudden they post very constructive post just to receive merit, often paraphrasing articles and/or just copying articles here.

On the other hand, it is not really hard to post 50 short lines in off topic or games and rounds and after that to post 10 high quality posts at right place and point them to right people.
I don't think current system will decrease number of farming accounts, spam or account sales and honestly I think 10 merits to rank up to member rank is too low, because people will just create hundred accounts, do exactly what I said above and abuse signature/bounty campaigns, giveaways etc.

For every 10 Smerits received, junior member can easily send 5 Smerits to other account, from that account 2 Smerit to third account and so on - and repeat with many accounts.

So, in my honest opinion this system need little improvement:

RankRequired activityRequired merit
Jr Member300
Member6050
Full Member120150
Sr. Member240300
Hero Member480550
LegendaryRandom in the range 775-10301050

Raising merit requirement by 50 points will make difference and should solve most "merit" issues, account farming, account sales etc(or at least make them so hard that people will give up doing it) and won't affect on number of merits required for full-hero member to rank up because older users will need the same amount of Smerit to rank up(members will need 100 SMP*, full members 150 SMP, senior member 250 SMP and hero 500 SMP) and it will actually force "new users" to write better posts from first day, which isn't the case at the moment.

However, number of Smerits given to all members should remain the same as it is now, but i guess this is irrelevant because we all already received smerits.

*SMP - sMerit points

It is true that in this way you will make it difficult for all account farmers, but for ordinary users, achieving more merit points will be practically impossible and then the entire ranking system loses meaning.
1938  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: ✅🚀[Bounty] KEPLER - Next Generation Blockchain Platform For AI & Robotics 🚀 on: February 04, 2018, 04:45:04 PM
Hello team!

I just read your roadmap and something is not clear for me - in signatures you have information that presale starts May 10, 2018:



but in roadmap - token sale you have in February, ICO in April and in May listing on major exchanges:



Can you clear it up?


1939  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is this the perfect moment?! on: February 04, 2018, 04:24:24 PM
Dear all,

For sure, this is the perfect moment in year to invest in crypto.

1. the price is down so with 100$ USD you can buy more units.
2. you shroud focus on maximum 4-5 currencies.
3. don t panic when the price is going down for one of them. (if you sell you clear increase the lose)
4. tell to all your friends about your currencies. (don't keep only for you as profit potential)
5. don' t invest in dirty coins!

This is what i did in Jan 2017. I invested 100 USD now I have 1900 USD.

Personally I sold all the currency on 27 Dec to USD and yesterday i bought again the same currencies but times more units because the prices are lowest possible in year.

PS: this things, with country x banned the crypto currency, or exchanges or regulations are part of the phenomen and this will result in a more notoriety of crypto markets! (they can't stop at all this phenomen, they know this).


I like your shopping plan very much and what you wrote about the phenomenon that can not be stopped.  Cool

But is this the best time for shopping? Personally, I think that this is not the end of price drops, so if you have not spent all fiat, I think you should wait a little longer.
1940  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ⚒ Syscoin -$3 Million 1st round financing; World 1st Decentralized Marketplace! on: February 04, 2018, 04:18:27 PM
why are the masternode boxes checked if they aren't live yet? is there a planned release date?

Some time ago someone wrote that they should be launched on February 28, but I'm not sure. Can anyone confirm this?
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